Bestof title: u/toonslinger explains the concept of "trickle truth" and how it affected his marriage
Here's a personal example of how trickle truth works in a real life scenario:
A month before my wedding, my soon-to-be-wife had a minor freak-out. Seemingly out of the blue she informed me one evening that we should go for a walk because she needed to talk to me. I said okay and we took a stroll along the lake. About ten minutes into our walk she sits down and tells me she's having doubts about getting hitched. I stay calm and ask her why. She responds with a lot of peculiar reasons that didn't make much sense but finally slides in that she's been chatting it up with a co-worker and enjoys the flirting. She tells me that she's not really attracted to him but she likes the attention and even offers to show me his picture on her phone. She was right--not an attractive guy--frumpy, morose, looked rather like a putz and had even nicknamed himself Stupid Fucker at work...a real mope of a dope. She said he meant nothing to her but the fun she had flirting made her question the wedding plans. Anyway, I take this all at face value and tell her she needs to think good and hard about if she wants to get married because if the answer is no, then we need to call it off and tell all the invited guests to cancel plans. Two days later she assures me she was just being silly, wants to get married more than anything and we move forward. Again, because I trusted her completely, I took it all as the truth.
Two days before the wedding and suddenly something is feeling off. I arrive in a city I've never been to before, get introduced to a whole bunch of friends/extended family I've never met and the whole day my fiance is ignoring me and spending the majority of her time on her phone, texting and playing games. I let this go on until we get to our hotel room and then ask her WTF is happening and who the hell has she been texting all day. She admits its this coworker and that she's just under a lot of stress and its nothing. I call bullshit and threaten to call my parents or Best Man and have them get me to the airport but she breaks down crying and insists she's just being stupid and wants the wedding to happen. I'm about 5 seconds from calling anyone who can bail me out when she swears that she's just nervous and anxious and confused and truly wants us to tie the knot. Again, because I loved her, because I trusted her, because we'd lived together and built something over 5 years together, I took her for her word. The next day went ahead without incident and the day after that we had a wedding for the books. It was an amazing day from start to finish and everyone there said it may have been the finest, funnest wedding they'd ever experienced.
For days later things started to unravel fast. The trickle became an ever-increasing flow. First, after a night with friends to celebrate our union, she gets totally wasted and, upon returning home, tells me, "I don't even see us lasting a year together. But the good thing is, I've got someone waiting for me...and I know he has a small penis...but he cums really fast and he shoots like a fountain!" She then blacked-out and didn't remember it the next day. I on the other hand, went through her phone, found his number and texted him, asking point-blank if he was really in fact waiting to fuck my wife. After trying to reach her by phone (she was passed-out) he finally replied that yes, he probably wasn't a very good person, but it's a choice she'd have to make and that I probably wouldn't like what she chooses in the end.
The next day she sobered up and, when confronted with the texts, broke down into sobs and swore she'd stop talking to Stupid Fucker. A week later, she packs an overnight bag to stay at a girlfriend's place, walks out to "find herself," and I tell her not to come back unless she's serious about making things right. 2 days later she's back crying and sorry for being confused and then, the next weekend, I find out everything that had been kept from me.
Turns out, for about 3 months before the wedding, she and Stupid Fucker had been walking home together after work. On top of that, on the nights I was at work, she was over at his place. All her happy little text check-ins were really timing cues so she could be back home before I got in, to pretend she'd just been on the sofa the whole evening, waiting for me. She'd gone out with him countless evenings to the bars, met his kids and formed friendships with them and, based on some of her comments, its highly likely she brought him back to our apartment when I wasn't around. In the end, they were having a full-blown affair because, well, I trusted her implicitly and never imagined she could stoop so low.
Her final words, on the day she left, were, "With you I'd have the life I've always dreamed of. But he has the condo I've always wanted, so I have to go." She left and I haven't heard from her or seen her since. In February it'll be 6 months since she disappeared from my life.
That, sir, is trickle truth in action. It is the act of revealing just a little at a time, to manipulate a trusting innocent, to keep a lie going as long as possible until the guilty have a final solution in play.
She was also good at gaslighting, which is an attempt to re-write the past, claiming things happened another way, in order to keep the innocent confused and questioning their sanity as their world seems to fall apart around them.
Hope that helps you get a handle on what it's all about. Good luck to ya, however you decide to proceed.
pleasedontknowme30 11y ago
FUCK!!!! some of this really concerns me in my situation. I almost want to show my SO this entire post just so I can show her she has been giving me trickle truth.
dan7899 11y ago
This is fucking amazing. u/toonslinger replied to my post asking Reddit for a good definition of trickle truth. A whole lot of fuckers said "you should google it". I said, "fuck-tards I googled and I'm not satisfied." U/toonslinger shows up with his crazy story and makes front page by being BEST OF. Now, I can google trickle truth and come back to this amazing story... Irony in its finest.
dan7899 11y ago
2 in search on google for trickle truth. Who engineered this awesomeness?
[deleted] 11y ago
This sounds like /r/thathappened. Either that, or this girl is a complete retard.
[deleted] 11y ago
Where was this originally posted on?
alt30313 11y ago
Posted to bestof 9 hours ago from r/relationships. The best of thread will take you to the original thread where the OP explained the concept of trickle truth to a 29M with relationship issues.
Remember Not to Brigade/Vote/Comment.
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Arbitrage84 11y ago
trust is a bitch. I'm sorry, OP. What a shitty thing she did to you.
MasterGoshinki 11y ago
I've been there, I planned on marrying the girl too, thank god shit hit the fan...
I have since given up on marriage, and perhaps even monogamous relationships
dr_bloodmoney 11y ago
As someone who was married once, I can't believe how common it is meeting people that have been married 2 and 3 times. Lunacy.
KidCasper 11y ago
So... polygamy?
DasWood 11y ago
Annulment ASAP. You don't want that bitch sucking alimony from you for the rest of your life!
Moneyley 11y ago
Ironically its her lifestyle selection that will be her downfall. Nobody has brought up the fact that stupid fucker has kids. Wait til she hears "wah wah u ain't my mom you can't tell me what to do". She seems like she likes to plan things out so if she tries to lock this dude up by having a kid shell nudge his kids over the one she had with him. My assessment is shell be another single mom in a few yrs.
Aerobus 11y ago
Haven't seen it posted in comments so far, so I'm going to say it:
AWALT. They want to be with the alpha man. They are incapable of logically explaining why, but they want to be with the alpha guy. She lost attraction for her beta husband who was simply trying to provide for her. She became addicted to the validation of her coworker and fell for him.
If there's anything to take away from this post, it's that women are emotional creatures.
Xein 11y ago
I gotta comment on this. I don't see how the other guy was the alpha man? It sounds like he lured her in with the promise of "providing" - the condo she always wanted.
Can you explain more? Judging from the OPs post, I don't really see anything alpha about the other guy.. what am i missing?
gekkozorz 11y ago
The condo sounds like an excuse. After all, saying "I'm leaving you for this guy because he acts like a jackass and I'm kind of into that" doesn't sound so great.
Though I don't think this guy is alpha in the traditional sense, I think he does have "alpha appeal" simply because he's got the whole "bad boy" thing going on for him. I mean, he gave himself the nickname "Stupid Fucker," and he straight up told OP, "I want to fuck your wife."
That's the kind of boldness that'll make women outwardly say "ugh, what a jackass," but inwardly get the tingles.
Aerobus 11y ago
In this particular example, he wasn't really alpha, you are correct. But he wasn't as beta as the guy who was trying to provide for her, so he appeared more alpha. I should have clarified, my bad.
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redditalias7 11y ago
They got married.
[deleted] 11y ago
Fell victim to the trickle truth as well. Luckily long before I proposed, though I'd thought about it. She married the other guy and now he's become the beta provider while she fucks around on him behind his back.
trpbetafag 11y ago
Been there, though without the wedding part. What a ho.
AveofSpades 11y ago
What a hoe. But really comes as no surprise, hoes going to hoe. Gotta make sure you vet these women if you choose to go the marriage route, thankfully, I'm convinced it's pointless.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
That's the thing, a lot of the time these girls aren't hoes to begin with.
Ask me how many really nice girls I personally know that were super nice, considerate, in their first relationship, didn't hoe around in their highschool years, and ended up cheating.
Shit just works on girls, and there's nothing anyone can do about that in terms of fully eliminating that.
AveofSpades 11y ago
Oh I agree.
By the time I left college, I think I knew only 1 girl who had never cheated on her BF. That shit is super common, it comes as little surprise when I read about it.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Which is why I can't ever trust women to be anything but a woman. If a guy has a strong frame and you spend a lot of time away from her, say he's at her workplace and you're not.. it's basically over. Women have no self-control, he'll create attraction and she'll be enthralled. Kinda why feminism putting women in the workplace again has resulted in another little talked about fucked up element - increasing sexual access to women - giving men and women access to much larger pools of the opposite sex in a new environment which ultimately creates extra opportunity for adultery. Who's she's gonna feel closer to? The guy who works with her all day or the guy she sees in the evening who's tired from work? Exactly.
Women are so unaccountable and unreliable trusting them is just futile. Yeah I realise I sound cynical or bitter or whatever but that's where the logic points. If you ever fall in love enjoy it while it lasts.
I hear some guys engaging in this futile endeavour find a lot of beneficial assistance from MMSL.
reezyreddits 11y ago
This is money.
johnnight 11y ago
On the traditional farm the guy she worked with all day was her husband. It makes a lot of sense to bond to the guy you are working with.
SeekingAlpha 11y ago
So you're sayin' I should be a farmer?
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gekkozorz 11y ago
shudders
deepthrill 11y ago
Do you think it's possible to be completely emotionally invested while things are going well (i.e. feel "in love"), and be able to immediately move on once things fall apart?
That seems to be a good way to go about things so that you can experience the "feel good" feelings without being dependent on them.
abcd_z 11y ago
Not even remotely. The more emotionally invested you are in a relationship, and the longer you've been in it, the more it hurts when the relationship ends.
If your several-year relationship ends it will ache like a motherfucker, and it will take a long time for that pain to subside.
southernmost 11y ago
You know what helps that ache go away? Fresh pussy.
SneakyTouchy 11y ago
I think it's possible, but that may be only because I've been through it several times already. It seems to get easier every time. My 5th serious relationship, of which I invested most intensely, just recently ended. After two years it only took 3 weeks to get over. This was also the first time that *she wasn't the one being dumped. I remember when I was really young, simply being rejected for a date used to hurt just as much.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
The next thing I want is for someone to ask us how we know that this shit works on girls.
machimus 11y ago
Think I see where you're going with this, but for the sake of discourse, how do you know this shit works on girls?
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Simple. If you're getting laid count how many of those chicks are already taken. You won't like the result.
[deleted] 11y ago
Yup, only reason i didnt ruin a marriage this weekend is because her friend pulled her off me. Literally.
Her husband turned up later in the night, thats how little she cared, she was up for a ride literally less than an hour before her husband was due to arrive.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
Jackpot!
LurgidB 11y ago
I don't bother with single women anymore. It's much easier to work on the minds of the taken, plus you are only competing with one dude as opposed to 200.
elevul 11y ago
At least the hoes are often perfectly aware of these fallacies and how to deal with them.
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heavilyarmedclown 11y ago
Glad that works for you, honestly. I only wish I could see it the same way as you. I find with myself, however, that I don't feel comfortable sharing my life with a woman who also shares that same connection with other men. I would rather be alone. Call it unrealistic, overly romantic, etc. but its the way I am wired, which is a shame because in this day and age it is truly difficult to find a woman who wants or is even capable of monogamy.
st4rcrafty2 11y ago
When reading the part about her being blacked out drunk and talking about how he "shoots like a fountain" for some reason I pictured Deandra from It's always Sunny saying that in her drunken, slurring voice.
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LurgidB 11y ago
It's not so much stupid as believing the lies we are told about women. They aren't Cinderella, they are Cinderella's wicked stepsisters.
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LurgidB 11y ago
That's right.
shokodemon 11y ago
i always wanted to know what this was called.. i fell for it twice. never again. also ello gents, i'm new here. tips his hat
doubleu 11y ago
I'm always astonished with mentality that it's "easier" to go-ahead with the wedding and have it blow up afterwards, then to save everybody the trouble and call things off before the big day. Reminds me of a quote I have bookmarked from here: "She wants the wedding, she doesn't want the marriage."
The_CEO_of_Beta 11y ago
You know what, we fucking called it.
Mention TRP or anything, and it'll be downvoted to oblivion.
Mention TRP truths WITHOUT mentioning TRP and it'll be bestof'd.
Mention ANTI-TRP shit, even the most stupidest arguments such as, "If TRP was going to work for you, then it'd already be working for you." gets Bestof'd.
Laugh, out, loud.
[deleted] 11y ago
Too much fucking truth, bro.
rarlcove 11y ago
It's ironic TRP has almost the same branding problem as feminism.
boydeer 11y ago
feminism has done really well with branding, imho.
rarlcove 11y ago
I remember reading a study where the majority of people surveyed agreed with the dictionary definition of feminism, but only a small fraction would describe themselves as feminists. Of course you domt see that on Reddit, but the average person has a very strong negative reaction to the very word feminist.
Krackor 11y ago
Too bad the dictionary definition of feminism doesn't really resemble the things claimed by feminists nor how they act.
The_CEO_of_Beta 11y ago
I feel really fucking sad because my buddy's girlfriend taught her little brother to be a man hater. Yes, he writes posts daily on facebook about how perfect this world would be if there were no such thing as masculinity.
She is even converting my friend into feminism, what the fuck. In our last conversation he told me about Tropes vs. Women and how bad sexism is in video games.
boydeer 11y ago
i would recommend just calmly pointing out some glaring issues in feminism. my favorites (though these might be too big to start with):
they claim those with privilege are blind to it. however, if you tell them about female privilege, they deny all privilege. so only men are blind to privilege. women see all.
they believe men are morally capable of rape, but women aren't morally capable of lying about rape. most people can agree that rape is at least marginally worse than lying about it, so that means that women are genetically morally superior to men.
any situation in which a man is undergoing a real emotional problem, if a woman becomes uncomfortable due to imperfect behavior on the man's part, the man is victimizing her. woman's discomfort trumps male suffering.
i've got more, but i need to spend less time on reddit.
EDIT: the thing that bothers me about these white knight guys is they don't have compassion for themselves.
EDIT2: probably my favorite thing to point out with feminist arguments is how the same argument can at times include the premise that women have as much agency as men (men and women are equal) and the premise that women have no agency (men oppress women and are at fault for everything).
you can also ask him genuinely what the patriarchy is, why it's bad, and what they suggest replacing it with. i'm still waiting for an answer on this.
[deleted] 11y ago
One of my friends from high school is a feminist along with her sisters all 18-22, they have a little bro who's 10, I fear so much for that little dudes future
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jesus..
MagicGainbow 11y ago
Really it hasn't, it's just white knights are willing to overlook foaming at the mouth in exchange for the promise of sex.
boydeer 11y ago
i just mean that it's permeated our whole culture and sets the tone of lots of public discourse despite all the unfounded premises.
MagicGainbow 11y ago
I know, what I meant was that really it's branding is even worse than trp but no guy will say that out loud for fear of cock-blocking himself, if feminism was gotten rid of tomorrow i'm sure that no male would, (now that it's 'pc' to bash it) have any kind words.
boydeer 11y ago
fair enough. i think the only thing we disagree about is what branding means. :P
[deleted] 11y ago
She had to "Find herself" because the guy didn't tell her to shut up and sit down.
She left him, and all this did all this dramatic bullshit, just to keep up appearances. She was a spineless cunt, who wanted as much as she could have.
Lesson?
Never trust a woman to have a spine. Ever. Its hypergamy. Its her nature. She will always take materials over moral quality in a man. Basically what the other guy has was a secure home, money. He had the perfect situation in which her genes would survive.
You? What did you have? Good character? That doesn't do shit with women. You need to be evil. She's giving you shit? You drop her. She does it a second time? You cut the bitch off for good.
Never, ever trust a woman to do the right thing. Or to even work hard.
You can expect her to cause trouble, be dramatic, to lie to your face with no guilt, and, well, just be a woman. All that superficial shit.
If you really want me to boil it down. Don't ever, trust a woman on anything. Don't take her word on anything.
And don't ever do anything she asks. Ever. Even if doing that thing is "trusting" her.
bonekeeper 11y ago
Specially if she asks you to trust her. Trust that has to be asked is not real trust. If a woman needs to ask to be trusted, is probably because she not being naturally trustworthy.
It's like asking you to praise her good cooking - if it's really that good, the praise will come naturally, she wouldn't have to root for it.
[deleted] 11y ago
I've noticed something about women. The prettier they are, the more innocent and weak they look. That much more I hold them dearer to myself.
But a woman's main weapon is deception and cunning. And the closer she is to you, that much more simply can she take you down.
With every one of her laughs, her smiles, her quirky little dorky behaviors, I fall harder. But I've learned that all those are just making me weak. Her behavior is natural, and it may not be two-faced. But in the end, she will still turn her back on you, and at that time, you'll wish you hadn't let her in.
So no matter what she does, no matter how cute, pretty, beautiful, whatever else you think, acknowledge it but do not let it change you. Hold off on trusting her. Never trust her. Ever.
That way, you can burn the bridges when you need to without any hesitation.
ufd 11y ago
FTFY
TeasingPenguin 11y ago
Just logged on to upvote this and I usually lurk but before TRP I've had countless times when I thought I could trust a woman and later on after splitting, realising that I should never have trusted each and every one of them, not ONE girl.
[deleted] 11y ago
I see you stay true to your handle [teasingpenguin]. I take it you are a penguin.
TeasingPenguin 11y ago
That gave me a good chuckle, I'm just really interested in trickle truth as it's happened before in past incidents and I'm still with the same person now. Always wanted to post a thread or share the story to get other people's take/opinion on it but I can't submit links/text posts to this sub yet.
[deleted] 11y ago
So... not a penguin. What a tease.
lol. About being with the same person, I myself would look to see if she's taking advantage of me. Because people only miss things once they're gone. I'd burn the bridges if she pissed me off.
But that's me. I like saying, "Its fuck or walk baby." Its from an Alec Baldwin film.
TeasingPenguin 11y ago
She's definitely not anymore and she only came back when I chose to leave it and walk away instead of basically asking "what I did wrong" etc
I cringe at myself thinking about it
Wish I learned about the red pill years ago.
trudatness 11y ago
As soon as she mentioned Stupid Fucker, he should have called the wedding off.
All ensuing fuckery that happened after that moment is on him.
JD42305 11y ago
This:
Should be this:
xtr3m 11y ago
http://therationalmale.com/2012/05/07/ultimatum/
JD42305 11y ago
I like this a lot. I haven't really sat back and thought about what it truly means yet. But the gist is, if you walk away, don't walk away thinking that that will build attraction. Walk away because you don't want to be with her anymore.
libchh 11y ago
he sees all the red flags yet is blinded by his affection. Poor sob
SmilesLookGreatOnYou 11y ago
Agreed. My last girl started freaking out when I asked her to explain things, and when I recounted the story she told me freaked out because it made no sense.
She then goes to tell me it's all in my head and refused to touch on the subject.
No reason to deal with anyone like that.
brotential 11y ago
Heh, I find it interesting that for all of the criticism that we get from plugged-in blue-pillers, SRS, femcunts, and the rest of society about how much we hate women, the top comment is taking the MAN to task (and rightly so) for being such a naive tool.
nerdyfitnessguy 11y ago
Bet he won't make that mistake again. Holy shit, what a story.
WOW a condo... So shiny.
trudatness 11y ago
LOL a condo.
Condos are for vacation homes - not for primary residence.
Only broke senior citizens live in condos.
Lilcheeks 11y ago
Hey hey easy there. I like my condo.
trudatness 11y ago
Ok and young bachelors.
nivek7913 11y ago
B-b-but Not All Women Are Like That! He probably emotionally abused her, or <insert hamstering here>
God who the hell puts up with this shit and still considers themselves a man?
totorox 11y ago
He did what he was taught to do. Go to askbetas and relationshits for a refill.
TheRabid 11y ago
So, she left him for a condo? Hahahaha. He got off cheaply. I wonder what her life will be like in a few years.
opencover 11y ago
consult a lawyer. You want the best financial strategy, to avoid paying her alimony, and if possible to have her on the hook for alimony.
This marriage is over, you just want it to end on favorable material terms. And you can't go fucking other girls until you end it, otherwise you weaken your position, but confirm that with your divorce attorney.
Thank God you got out before there were kids and any possible child support obligation. If she suddenly claims she has your child, get a paternity test before signing anything in the hospital or outside.
iEatSnakes 11y ago
Whats pissing me off having read that is that he spent 6 months(!) sitting on his ass not doing a thing about it. He neeed to get that shit annulled immediately, within the first week. Instead of talking to a lawyer hes bitching to a bunch of redditors. What an idiot, whatever his fate ends up being its his own god damned fault.
[deleted] 11y ago
They were married what, four months? You can't get shit for a four-month marriage, even in this lame-ass country.
DasWood 11y ago
It's called an annulment. No way he will get alimony, best case scenario is to get out without any legal entanglement from her.
[deleted] 11y ago
Rule Number 1. DO NOT marry American women.
redditalias7 11y ago
So you're still married to her???????
mc0079 11y ago
I'm going to take your story at face value...how the hell did you not see signs...unless she had a psychotic break (how old was she?)...this stuff usually does not come out of no where.
LaserSoundMusic 11y ago
That women sounds like a complete basket case.
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[deleted] 11y ago
Wow, he spent five years with a crazy girl and he is surprised that she had cheated on him? How fucking stupid do you need to be to be a beta?
[deleted] 11y ago
Nothing beta about leaving people to their decisions. Beta would be begging her to return. She made her choices, he made his. Its that simple.
I mean, I would have made her actually think about where this will end up going, and how she sees it ending and make her actually think and account for her actions rather than expecting some tears and a tale to work, but is that really that far outside the norm?
If the first law of business is that the customer's always right, the second law is that they're also a goddamn dog who doesn't know what they want, let alone what's good for them.
[deleted] 11y ago
I just find it odd how someone can be with a partner for several years and not know what they are truly like. There are always red flag when you are dealing with a psychopath like this.
He has either ignored her character errors, normalised them or wasn't aware of them. All bad.
monsieurhire2 11y ago
Lol, but couldn't you just have gotten the condo she dreamed of? Makes no sense! Why couldn't she just say she like the other guy better? Also, who paid for the wedding? I hope it wasn't your family.
elderstorm 11y ago
Probably was. He was too trusting. Learnt the hard way as well. I'm really holding out on marriage. You'll see a girl's true intentions.
mbr902000 11y ago
I hope you hold out forever. Marriage is pointless. Piece of paper that just enables her to half your shit and it doesn't matter who you are, at some point a light bulb goes off in these bitches head that "they have you" so they no longer need to put the effort in. Solid frame or not, bitches get lazy. Not against living with someone and having an LTR, just don't fuck it up with a ring
elderstorm 11y ago
If a girl ever complains about a ring asking for a bigger, heftier priced one, I would either drop her like a bass in a Benga record or tell her to pay for the whole wedding while I get her the ring. I would get a pre-nup.
[deleted] 11y ago
Your first option sounds a lot better. She wouldn't stop with bitching about having a bigger ring.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
Really? She did it for a condo? Who's gonna believe that?
Clauderoughly 11y ago
stupid fucker probably had a trust fund, and rich parents and was set to inherit a shitload of money
Gold-Summary 11y ago
The thing about inheritance is that it can change overnight. Most trust fund kids lose all their money. The world is predatory in nature.
trplurker123 11y ago
It could be a thousand different things. The new guy has more status, more money, looks better, fucks better, maybe some of the above, maybe none of the above. All that matters is that she thinks new guy is a better catch than the old. Hypergamy.
Can't be angry for women being women.
[deleted] 11y ago
In all honesty, if that last part were true from an evolutionary standpoint, partners killing partners would likely be a shitload less common.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
Exactly.
The "there's something missing" phenomenon.
SeekingAlpha 11y ago
"It's just not the same anymore."
opencover 11y ago
I will, maybe it was a nice one, free and clear. You know how long it takes to earn $500,000, after taxes and living expenses? Half a working lifetime for most people.
sweetleef 11y ago
You severely overestimate most people. Most people are paycheck-to-paycheck, in debt and blowing everything they make on Chinese plastic trinkets and nonsense. They couldn't accumulate that much in 10 lifetimes.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
Most people have mortgages.
Either way, imo, I can't imagine a girl doing it solely for a condo. Saying it was the condo was just the easiest scapegoat.
[deleted] 11y ago
Its an excuse. This is what happens when the truth bothers someone so much they can't admit it- most likely to protect themselves. Seen it before.
ThePacketSlinger 11y ago
Unrelated, but I think he ripped off my name...