Intro
Based on a lot of comments from my posts, I'm getting the heavy impression that there is a good portion of guys here that may not be able to tell if a girl is into them, or not unless it's insanely obvious. It's not a big deal if you can't tell. I couldn't tell either especially when I was younger and starting college. My best friend had to practically point out girls that were giving me looks because I was so blind to it (at the time). I've gotten much better with lots of experience, and over the course of 2 years I've really devoted more attention to this stuff and actively studied it more so I now feel more comfortable expressing it in better terms.
This will be a mix of textbook and genuine experience and I'll move from the obvious to the more subtle.
Body
The fact you're even reading this is already a good start, it means that you're now or have been more focused on reading signs if a chick is into you which is just a subset of reading body language in general. Keep in mind that this information isn't perfect and context is key, and you'll never know the full context.
EYES - (Obvious) - When a girl has been into me, they will literally stare. She gets what's called flashbulb eyes, (I used to call it retard stare before I knew the proper terminology), and will have wide open eyes and their eyebrows would raise. This was probably one of the only signals I could even read when I first started creeping on chicks in college.
EYES (subtle) - This may or may not be subtle depending on how obvious the girl makes it, but a girl may already be looking at you and when you make eye contact she quickly looks away and DOWN which is a sign of submission and is inherently attractive to men. Most girls do this multiple times before a guy notices. I've had girls do this to me and it's somewhat obvious, if you keep your eyes open for it. I'm sure I've missed it multiple times though.
The key to this is to maintain eye contact and let her break it first. You can look slightly above her and make eye contact again then just go make a move.
Neck/Hair (Obvious) - If a chick is twiddling around with her hair a ton while looking at you then she's probably into you, especially if you guys are already talking. It's pretty cute when they do it, and they know it is (most likely).
Neck/Hair (subtle) - If a girl has her hair brushed back and it exposes her neck it's again, a sign of submission, which men find attractive. It might mean nothing, but you look for other behaviors as well to indicate she's into you and down for your dong.
Chest (Obvious)- If she's trying to really pop those warlocks out for you to see, then she's definitely trying to get your attention. You ever notice that when you talk to a girl, and they're into you they kind of stand all perky and their chest sticks out a little. That's on purpose.
Chest -(subtle) - This is a sign she's not feeling it. If she starts covering her mammary glands, with a coat or her arms or whatever, she's feeling uncomfortable or maybe she's cold. Again, it's context.
Arms/Hands (Obvious/subtle) - If she's touching herself a lot that's usually a sign she's kind of imagining you touching her. Girls have much more sensitive skin than we do. This can be either obvious or very subtle depending on the degree to which she does it.
Girls also may keep their arms close to their bodies to look smaller (sign of submission) and she may expose her wrist (sign of submission). Personally I've never really noticed the wrist thing, but making themselves smaller is something I've noticed and it's usually with a bunch of other little behaviors to make what I call the little girl effect. Men are attracted to neotenous features, so a lot of girls, I've noticed go into this little girl mode with me (If they're into me).
Legs/feet - (Subtle?) - This is subtle if you aren't aware of it. It's obvious if you literally just check and are aware. People point their feet towards where they want to go or what they are interested in. This may be the bar, the bathroom, the dancefloor, or hopefully you. Girls will also cross their legs in a way to make their legs seem longer. I've noticed the feet thing, but the leg cross I really couldn't tell for the life of me.
Clothing - If a girl goes out wearing high heels, a short skirt, and bright red clothing/lip stick. She's probably at that point in her menstrual cycle that makes her want to get railed out by a guy with good genes, or she really wants some attention to feel good about herself, or possibly both, or possibly it's a culture thing and she always dresses like that to go out and her red dress was the only clean outfit she had. Again! It's context.
Proximity (Subtle?) - There's plenty of places to stand or sit, especially in a bar. If a girl is brushing up against you or is just abnormally close by especially if there is plenty of space for her to be somewhere else with equal access to the bar or whatever, than why is she so near you? You know the answer. Again keep an eye open for context. If her friends were already there and she goes to them and it happens to be near you, then it might have nothing to do with you.
The Big picture
Individually, most of these things mean nothing. You have to look for combos of these behaviors. If you pay attention, you'll get better at noticing them. You just have to practice. It's a skill that's well worth it, and it has carryover to a lot of other things in life.
Some larger clusters of behaviors I've personally seen are the feet pointing towards me, and subtle looks with the eyes. Another big one is the little girl facade combined with being very near me, when there are other places to be, and there is usually a little bit of eye contact as well. Sometimes, a girl will just "accidentally" bump into me and start talking to me or pinch my butt, or touch my hair and quickly turn away like a kindergartener, and once in a blue moon they'll have their friend come over and tell me they think I'm cute. When it happens, it's great, but it's once in a blue moon and I nor you can really rely on it consistently.
Conclusion
You're probably getting checked out by girls already if you're at least above average looking or have some social status. You just don't notice. Keep your eyes open and you may be pleasantly surprised.
speak_ur_mind 8y ago
Bro, the eye contact thing is so overplayed. People stare at people when I space out and look away when they catch me.
So if every guy here thinks that every girl who makes eye contact and looks away is into them, I don't even know what to say, except stop reading books on attraction.
El_WrayY88 8y ago
You're pretty much set when she gets an erection. That's when you go all in.
Kalidane 8y ago
Fuck is mating like World of Warcraft now?
Accrue 8 interest points to level up and wield "the cleavage glance"?
Your advice is a great way to ramp up anxiety in guys who are already anxious. And make them look creepy and weird.
The advice your targeted audience needs is to develop outcome independence. There's no point training someone to read a single dial on a space shuttle when they are terrified of flying.
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
I mentioned to someone else that this stuff is more for guys who are already getting laid and want to get more efficient. This stuff won't help you beat social anxiety, approach anxiety, sexual anxiety, or anything of the sort. I never even hinted that it would. If someone suffers from any of that, they need to actively work on it, because reading stuff on the internet won't help that much.
Kalidane 8y ago
Cool, with that context it checks out.
That's a big issue here. Different posts are written for readers at different stages of progress.
A lot of newer people get lost with info they are not ready for.
I don't consciously observe the cues you outline, but I'm sure in picking up on some. I consciously just wait for them to get that 'deer in the headlights' look in their eyes and I know it's time to show her my record collection. I don't own any records.
TheJohnDough 8y ago
This is some good shit. However this is an easy way to come up with excuses. If you are attracted to a bitch, a good rule of thumb is to always approach. Whats the worst that can happen, you get rejected? I know we are pretty big here about being natural about shit, so when you are attracted to a female and do not approach you are LITERALLY going against your instincts. Its always good to have more knowledge, but don't let the signs distract you from the big picture. Nonetheless, great post OP, very clear, concise and easily applicable information, here!
killsyou123 8y ago
Kind of wish retard stare was the final choice on the look I'm cracking up
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Do you find that some women who are not as attractive will avoid even giving subtle hints because they know you're out of their league? I get signs of attraction from 7's and 8's more than 5's or 6's it seems. Not a bad problem to have but just curious.
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
With girls like that (4s, 5s, 6s) it's so random. There are the sour grapes girls who will just outright reject you/be mean because they can't have you, and it's obvious which ones do that, although it still is a little hurtful.
There are the ones that make it painfully obvious that they are into me to the point it's weird and kind of a turn off. They will keep telling me how attractive/hot/gorgeous I am and will be way too forward, and I'm not sexually attracted to them so it's really a huge turnoff. They kind of act like men and try to be funny and do this stupid crap to get me to like them.
Then there are the girls, who also try to act like men, but instead they use negs and do stuff like that to try and be cool or lower my self esteem so I can try and prove myself to them. It's pretty easy to recognize and frankly a huge turn off. I remember two examples of it pretty clearly. One girl told me I was too tall for her or in general, and another girl used some word straight out of her thesaurus to say that I was just faking how confident I was. It was just bitchy and both of these girls were 5s at best. I was just being polite talking to them and passing the time. I was glad I did talk to them because I learned something.
Some of these girls are normal and a lot are just plain not into me at all for whatever reason, but it seems so random. These are the last call kind of girls so I don't give them too much thought.
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offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
There are nights, that I'd fuck a lubed up tree stump if it would get the job done.
[deleted] 8y ago
Can relate to a lot of this. Thanks
mr_nate_ 8y ago
She pulled down my pants and grabbed my dick :( is she into me?
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
You have to look for clusters of behavior. Were her feet pointed towards you?
kraken9911 8y ago
The real question was were the socks still on? If yes then she's still not really into you.
whythecynic 8y ago
Protip: socks on during sex, for some weird fucking reason, leads to orgasms for her. I'm not even kidding.
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
If she isn't wearing socks, you can just try and put her whole foot in your mouth to simulate the feeling of wearing socks so she can more easily orgasm.
whythecynic 8y ago
Ah, brings me back to the old days of Verdun, trench foot everywhere, Jerries on the other side of No Man's Land...
icutrauma11 8y ago
If a woman is interested in you, she will get in your way, acts like she wants to actually listen, instead of talking about herself, to get your attention before her friends cock-block you.
lolligagger3000 8y ago
Sadly, many women would prefer to end up not talking to the guy they are interested in rather than just approach and start talking
royal_fucktard 8y ago
She will get in your way by going out of her way to do so.
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Males are not programmed to read body language. It must be studied and practiced just like any other language. Great post.
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rigbed 8y ago
Males that nature wants to breed neither worry about body language nor struggle to elicit physical reactions
[deleted] 8y ago
Yeah, but a lot of us are nerds at heart just pretending to be outgoing and confident, and we're fighting our own natures.
seeing-red- 8y ago
This sounds very defeatist. Learning to read body language is well worth it for better communication with women and for many other reasons.
rigbed 8y ago
I'm just stating the fundamentals
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JFMX1996 8y ago
Agreed man. We make it too easy for these girls to just get by and get fucked around with subpar efforts of taking care of their image, physique, health, etc.
Some guys will jump on whatever broad comes by and offers themselves up. It's a sign of desperation on the guys behalf and a scarcity mindset.
whythecynic 8y ago
Don't break that rule. It's a rule for a reason, that way lies dragons. You'll jeopardize your entire future, not just in your current job but going forward.
On the other hand, if she has friends whom she'd absolutely love to introduce to you, that's always cool.
nonthaki 8y ago
You are asking the right questions . There is no feeling of love , just a feeling of social validation and maybe capturing the attention of a Chad .
I doubt she would have been as interested in you as she is now if she were 25 years old and had a nice sexy figure , even if you are an average Chad .
Bielzabutt 8y ago
Some of that wrong. Studies have shown that if a girl chooses to sit far away from you, it's more likely that she is attracted to you. A lot of women's behavior is counter-intuitive.
_PowerBull 8y ago
When she sucks your cock it's subtle, but when she swallows your cum you know that you can ask her out.
Eyeswears 8y ago
What if she tells me to cum on her face? Does that mean she's not into me?
_PowerBull 8y ago
Not everyone notices this subtle nuance.
DontYouTrustMe 8y ago
Then you cum on her face. Simple.
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Unicorns, if they exist, always swallow.
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Dio_Brando_Joestar 8y ago
What if she meets your eye contact and looks to the side instead of down?
guest123420 8y ago
She's a dude, post op, proceed with caution.
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silverpilled 8y ago
I've caught women staring at me multiple times. One in particular I had met had the nerve to say I was staring at her first. Classic denial tactic as she didn't want to announce her attraction and test me at same time. I didn't buy into her logic as I could instinctively pick up when she was doing it. Being in tune with your surroundings is as much another sense that should be learned. Makes picking up body language easier while scanning a room.
SmartLadyOnline43 8y ago
All men think all women are into them even when the woman clearly is NOT.
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
If you read the comments in just this post alone, you'll find a good portion of men who do not remotely have that thought.
edwardhwhite 8y ago
So wrong. I've missed signs. Flirted, didn't see interest, so left when she went out to smoke. And I get "Leaving already?" I mention any early start and she says "I guess I will see you around, handsome." D'oh
Falcario 8y ago
Hey guys, I found the smart one!
BestSC86 8y ago
Clearly NOT, huh?
Define clearly.....The number of women I have fucked who were wearing their bitch face before I broke down that shield astonishes even me....to a point that I realize that women are themselves becoming social awkward.
nonthaki 8y ago
I completely agree . You are right . Women look in the way that they want to develop something (a relationship , a friendship , a fuck buddy , gold digging) to few men . And it also goes with the fact that women look at far too little men . .. 10 out of 100 . The remaining 90 don't ever cross women's minds most of the time - they are disposable, ofcourse , except when there is any use of them .
High standards , yes , but similarly majority of women overrate themselves from what they truly are - young supple-looking vessels which will get old soon enough & lose their perceived social-value slowly by slowly in the face of time .
[deleted] 8y ago
Correction: Attraction isn't a choice. What women are really doing is reserving their willingness until a guy 'proves' himself an alpha or Chad, or if he wilts or doesn't make a move.
swaglordobama 8y ago
Why do you need all of these signs? If she is there and attentive, she is into you.
RedTheFuckUp 8y ago
You always assume attraction. Unless she is giving obvious signs that she's not into, you should be believing that she is.
SkoomaIsaHellOfaDrug 8y ago
As someone with Aspergers, thank you for this.
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
Someone with your condition is probably better equipped to ultimately be better at this stuff. You won't have any intuition for it whatsoever, but with deliberate study, practice, and observation you could be better than 90% of guys out there especially with your more analytical mind.
SkoomaIsaHellOfaDrug 8y ago
Pretty much. I'm already 30 and I'm still learning shit
kraken9911 8y ago
I'm 34 and I never stop learning. Your game can never be polished enough just like your knob.
SkoomaIsaHellOfaDrug 8y ago
Well my thought process is very analytical. I could be a manipulative asshole if I really wanted to.
Fedor_Gavnyukov 8y ago
a good indication is when she's blowing you
AxionGaming 8y ago
My social skills suck though. Help!
YoussarianAscended 8y ago
How to Win Friends and Influence People. Read it. Learn it. Live it.
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JFMX1996 8y ago
Thank you. I was always a bit clueless when it came to this. I'd have girls approach me telling me their friend thought I was really attractive and was giving me all the signs but was so oblivious that she took it as a rejection.
Poor girl. I let her down. She went out wanting to find someone to dick her down so wonderfully and I failed.
Never again. Hahaha.
I'd always assumed that it was just a coincidence that a girl would come up right next to me within 10 ft in proximity in school or in an empty coffee shop but I now know that girls are way more calculating than that and they're actually just waiting for you to strike up the conversation.
Fatguy73 8y ago
What we need is an actual woman to clarify this on this post. Personally, I think it's fairly obvious most times if a girl finds someone attractive. They usually laugh a lot, will talk closely and nonchalantly rest their breast on your arm, and probably the biggest one is touching someone repeatedly, in proper context. Obviously there's many women who are friendly who are touchy feely with their dude friends and that does NOT mean they are into them.
seeing-red- 8y ago
Usually women don't even know wtf they are doing, they don't pay attention to this shit either.
lolligagger3000 8y ago
Laughing and touching at the same time is the best one. Also they often clean the man, like they touch their chests removing little pieces of litter and stuff (don't know how it is called in english)
Fatguy73 8y ago
Sure, but context is important. It a total stranger is doing such things, I think it's a green light to at least make a verbal move perhaps. If it's a friend, not so much.
[deleted] 8y ago
It was always the girls I was into that would pull this shit but I just didn't get it. Pretty funny now that I think about it.
Oz70NYC 8y ago
I'm glad you posted info on the "eyes", because just last month I was contemplating making a post on the subject. I read up on some research done on the very subject, and 90...yes, 90 percent of the women surveyed for this article stated that their natural instinct when they see a guy they're attracted to but don't want to openly display interest is looking down. And this was women of various ages, social circles and religions.
So I myself decided to put this to the test. Ever since I read this research, I've actively been initiating visual contact with women, looking them right in the face as I walk by them on the street. No type in particular, just any woman no matter the HB scale. And my finding pretty much parallel what I read. The women who clearly had no interest paid no mind to my gaze. They looked forward as if I wasn't even there. But more often then not I'd come across women who would meet my gaze and look down. More often then not they'd simultaneously do the "arms close to them" thing or touching themselves thing as well, such as clutching at their neck or arms as they walk by.
Then there was the less frequent but most obvious women who would match my gaze and NOT look away. Pretty much a dead giveaway that if I wanted to approach, they wouldn't shy away from it. So yea...as far as making a cold approach to a woman on the street, seeing where her gaze goes is a definitely tool to utilize. It comes down to context of course...but the odds are in your favor if you're paying attention.
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What sucks is I almost only get the not-looking-away gaze from black chicks, and ones that aren't desirable. Not Precious bad, but just below average. I'm sure I'd get that look from more Mexican chicks if I ever actually saw them around.
Oz70NYC 8y ago
Depends, what's your ethnicity if I might ask?
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My dad's straight white and my mom's a mix of Mexican/Native American and part European. I came out pretty well despite genetics. White people basically accept me as one of them, partly because of culture. Plenty of race-haters (half-white, half-anything else) get jealous and try in vain to stoop me to their level.
Plenty of women show mild interest in me. White and Asian chicks just tend to be A LOT more subtle. They're more crucial judges of manliness and character, respectively.
Oz70NYC 8y ago
Black chicks are generally the bottom of the totem poll, and not strangely enough the hardest to get a beat on as to if they're interested. The HB6s and 7s at least. Any black girl HB8 and up easier to approach, and subsequently fuck...if your game and frame are up to snuff. For black females...aim high, expect low. I don't even bother with anything below an 8, cuz they're mostly damaged good to begin with.
[deleted] 8y ago
I didn't even consider them to fuck for the longest time, 'til these two sexy "besties" started working with me. The one who liked me most I really wanted to date at one point, except she started flirting with my boss when she became single, and he cock-blocked me when I turned the tables on him. They opened my eyes to something... different.
I'm just still too sensitive to letting all chicks down when I get tired of them. I try to brace them for it, but it only makes them hedge their bets with me, not cut me off completely though.
Oz70NYC 8y ago
Detaching from a chick is like amputating a limb that's got gang green; sever it quickly, cauterize the wound to stop the infetion from spreading. As you continue on your journey it'll become easier, trust me. I was the same way 3 years ago when I 1st swallowed the pill. Now, the moment she fucks up or does something I deem unworthy of my ongoing attention to her, I cut them off with no chance of reprieve. Not even a moment of mourning for them. It's "You dun fucked up, there's the door...don't come back."
And no, they're never allowed to leave any personal belongings at my place. I don't say it directly, but the women I plate eventually come to the realization that them being allowed to spend time with me is a privilege. And should they do something to warrant it being taken away, it will be. You'll feel like an asshole at 1st...that's the blue pill mentality still in your head trying to fuck with you. What TRP has taught me most above all things is to look out for #1 first and foremost. Fuck what people think. Fuck people's feelings. My thoughts, feelings and needs take precedent over all else.
[deleted] 8y ago
I feel ya. Sometimes the RP instinct is strong when giving women the boot. If anything, the BP aspect shows up either during the initial approach or in a bargaining phase after establishing attraction.
I'm staying course to the alpha path. Learning how to handle my testosterone. If anything, I still struggle with game. I can handle opening in opportune circumstances, but if you don't escalate, you may lose the chance to seal the deal.
Oz70NYC 8y ago
Application is the hardest part of following RP principles. But repetition...as with all things...makes you better. "To control others you must first control yourself". It's a quote from Miyamoto Musashi, taken from his "Book Of Five Rings". Miyamoto was RP as fuck...before it even existed.
[deleted] 8y ago
Looking into it right now. Thanks man, or should I say sir?
LibertarianLibertine 8y ago
At a certain point you'll naturally pick up if she's into you or not, at that same point you realize you don't really care if she is.
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offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
It's called preening behavior, and it is.
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Dreamer994 8y ago
"You're probably getting checked out by girls already if you're at least above average looking or have some social status." Im below average looking guy. As ugly motherfucker I see these signs and my social status is poor. Im not the most confident dude on earth, but I never break eye contact. Sometimes when im on bus or somewhere girls are waving their hand with huge smile and looking at me. Plenty of times I see girl is looking at me and then 3 seconds after she is looking down. then checking me out all the time. so its not true about being above average looking. (im sure they are not laughing)
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
Advise that was ripped off from woman's magazine and then regurgitated. Really simple, who cares if she is into you or not. Make a move, without being rapey or creepy, if she says No, move on.
If you spend your time trying to mind read women, you will get sucked into a vortex of crazy. Keep on escalating, if she doesn't respond, move on.
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
Reading a girls body language takes a split second if you allow yourself to get good at it. It's much more efficient in the long run to learn how to read her body so you don't waste time approaching women who are not interested at all and you approach more women who are interested.
whythecynic 8y ago
Agreed completely. Theory is necessary, but any good Greek philosopher knows that practice is the other half of the good life.
indivisibleremainder 8y ago
naw bro, i treat women like a magic 8 ball. just grab her by the arms, give her a good shake, and if 'All signs point to yes', you're in. otherwise move on to teh next
Smalejandro 8y ago
it also helps when she does say no, if its really a no, or one where you can keep pushing.
TurboRaptor 8y ago
If she's OP's mom, shes into you
Hillarysdilddo_2016 8y ago
No, you're into her if you catch my drift.
Andgelyo 8y ago
Dilated eyes is one of the most telling signs a girl is interested. It's happened a few times from women who have had boyfriends to me during my academic portion of grad school. Never did anything because I don't shit where i eat (school, and a high probability of seeing them again).
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
This is easier to note on girls with light eyes i.e. Green, blue, hazel eyes, but it's pretty difficult to tell on darker eyes and in a darker room (Bar/club), where there eyes will be already dilated.
Dbb8on678 8y ago
This post just made it clear to me that no girl has ever been into me. I've never gotten the classic "stare and look down" or her playing with her hair, nor anything else on your list. Feels bad man.
dancingkungfy 8y ago
I got the flashbulb eyes 3 times (that I am aware of). I was in my early twenties and totally BP. I was confused and had no clue what it meant. I wish I had read this post before then.
NotMyBestEffort 8y ago
it is obvious that you don't hold eye contact - hence the impression that no one has ever showed interest. Interest must be assumed, then verified. you are assuming they don't like you - then looking to verify that.
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
You may have just been oblivious to it bud. Don't get down on yourself. Keep working on yourself and try to become more aware of your environment. Pay attention to the people around you, especially the women. Some of them may find you attractive and you are just blind to it at the moment.
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offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
Drinking is kind of a double edged sword with this stuff. It's a great way to cut the anxiety so you can have the balls to do this stuff, but it kills your situational awareness.
I used to drink pretty heavily on the weekends. When I got a little bit into the GLL stuff after a bad breakup and took going out and getting laid a little more seriously (to get over my ex), I realized I didn't really like drinking as much as I liked not having anxiety in these environments.
It's up to you, and what your priorities are. Whatever works for you. Personally, I saved myself a lot of money, aggravation, and potential missed opportunites, by cutting back a lot on the drinking, and I've dramatically lowered my anxiety by a ton to the point I can comfortably go out at night by myself in these dark loud crowded places.
Alth12 8y ago
In my experience guys generally are oblivious to it. I was and still am to an extent. Depending on where I am in my headspace I have to have friends and family tell me.
A lot of these signs are subtle (even the more obvious ones) and easy to miss if you're out at a bar having conversations with friends, or even just wrapped up in your day to day tasks.
rubenbrasil 8y ago
When I was young around 18, I had the baddest chick in the city rubbing her tits on me in a crowded room, for like 10 minutes. I was oblivious to it and hated that. (She had small tits, but a yuge ass! white girl). Ended up get CC'd by famous athletes in LA once we turned 21. Shes still bad though.
Sigh.. my beta days make me shutter sometimes.
lagerea 8y ago
It is important to also realize that all of these behaviors can be presented as a means of leverage for attention or resources without the intention of fucking you, otherwise known as the flirt.
CreamiestCream 8y ago
I can tell OP is a faggot 20-something with no life experience because he pursues 'girls' instead of 'women'. Rookie mistake.
Kalidane 8y ago
It isn't at all clear what your point is. Irrespective of age, they are girls. Addressed and treated as such.
And one doesn't pursue. Girls are everywhere. Find them while you do the things you need to do. Girls are the jalapenos of life. Can be great in a dish, but they aren't the dish.
offthebeatmeoff 8y ago
You're right about two of those things.
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