Foreword: This is version 3 of my post about 2 years ago. I've gotten a lot of PMs to update the list and repost for newbies since I've been active in TRP again. Take your time and digest. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or need some guidance. Thanks.
V3 Edits: Removed some books that the community agreed is not as helpful. Added new notes to some titles. Addition of some new titles. New formatting. General edits. Added genre & priority ranking system.
I'm sure most, if not all of you know the importance of reading. It's been drilled into our heads since the first day of kindergarten. Reading is a cornerstone of our education. I personally really enjoy reading, and I hope most of you learn to enjoy it as well.
Reading increases your value, not just as a man but as a human being. Whole books filled with knowledge and years of experience compiled for you can be bought or borrowed (yes, for free!). People live, learn, and experience and put pen to paper to document their findings for the world to see. Yet most don't tap into this vast fountain of knowledge.
I can keep going on and on but I'm sure you get the point. I like to re-read these books once a year to "keep the saw sharp."
Here's my list of recommended RedPill reading material. Read and digest the sidebar, and when you're ready, come back for more to continue your journey.
Some books have different stances on the same subject, as with everything in TRP and life, take with a grain of salt and apply to your life accordingly.
In this edition, I've added a genre and priority ranking system. The ranking system goes as such:
P1 - Must read.
P2 - Must read after P1.
P3 - Read after you've internalized most of TRP principles.
P4 - Read when you have time and want to continue your education.
P5 - Not a huge priority, read when you have the time to keep your saw sharp.
Feel free to let me know what you think of the ranking and if it should be changed.
No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover: (Mindset - P1) This is the book that helped me realize all my years of beta behaviors and identify the root cause of why I was the way I was and where my behaviors (validation seeking, manipulating, emotionally impacted, etc) stemmed from (my childhood and teenage years). It helped me understand why certain behaviors are truly unhealthy and why the correct behaviors can right your ship as a man and instill a deep sense of confidence. If you've just recently swallowed the pill and still can't understand or are frustrated by the state of your current behaviors, this book is fantastic. Your basic core of TRP behaviors start here.
How To Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie: (Social Intelligence - P1) You will learn how to do what this title of the book states and much, much more. A classic staple, Carnegie goes behind the psychology of how human beings interact and feel in a social dynamic. Lots of great examples and techniques on training yourself to be the guy that nobody can seem to get enough of. If you ever wanted to be the most charismatic guy in the room or have people remember you and how great you are when you walk into the room, this book is it. This is the one book that made me exponentially more charismatic in social situations.
The Book Of Pook by Pook: (Mindset - P1) Free PDF. One of the most RedPill compilations you will see. Pook writes in a hilarious story telling style that conveys every TRP message clearly. He goes over a lot of TRP lessons in a relateable way. I really enjoyed this book and if you enjoy humorous books then you will too. The lessons are written well and very relateable.
The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi: (Mindset - P1) An avid poster on this TRP subreddit, Tomassi compiled all of his knowledge into a book that every man should read. Endorsed time and time again in this subreddit. He draws tons of RP knowledge and lessons into this book. One of the books that most users begin their RP journey with.
Models by Mark Manson: (Game - P2) I started my self improvement journey really deep into PUA material. I wanted to prove to myself that I could indeed pull any girl I wanted. This culminated in little success due to the lines, concepts, and routines I learned in an attempt to seduce women. They saw right through it to my inner most deepest insecurities and confidence issues, and most importantly my sheer frustration, desperation, and anger towards them. This book cuts straight through the crap and goes to the nuts and bolts behind seduction and social dynamics. Manson focuses the first half of the book on bettering one's self and cultivating behaviors that create an attractive man whilst the second half is all about the actions you must take in order to present the attractive side that you've cultivated out to your subjects. Definitely read after No More Mr. Nice Guy.
48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene: (Mindset - P2) Be careful with this book. It will go deep into the many different dynamics of power and how it is obtained, used, and manipulated. This will teach you and make you aware of all the things going on around you and make you read between the lines of people. You will arm yourself with the knowledge to be able to read people who are trying to manipulate you or others, gain power, or cause cause. Or you can be the one doing those things with the techniques presented in the book. The older I get, the more I love this book simply because I see so many of these power techniques being used in by people in the world.
The Charisma Myth by Olivia Cabane: (Social Intelligence - P2) Leading on from How To Win Friends & Influence People, this book also goes into the psychology behind charm. Cabane states that charm is a skillset that can be learned by anybody. No one is cut from a different cloth. Very interesting to be able to figure out why and how certain people can learn and tap into charm and become quite powerful and influential from it. You can learn to build your skillset of charm through this book. Charisma is a powerful skill to have in this world.
Millionaire Fastlane by MJ Demarco: (Mindset - P2) No this isn't some get rich quick scheme or ideas on how to make quick money. Demarco presents the idea in his book that there are different ways of thinking about money amongst people. The "Slowlane" way of thinking which is plagued by the ones who work paycheck to paycheck to survive, and the "Fastlane" way of thinking that breaks away from the norm of the typical "Go to school, get a job, save your money, retire at 65." mindset. Very interesting read on how to achieve wealth through changing your way of thinking.
The 7 Habits of Highly Successful People by Stephen Covey: (Mindset - P2) Learn about and pick up the habits that have made people successful. Covey pinpoints and gives clear examples of habits that a person inhibits that helps them achieve success in any goal they're setting. Incredibly useful for ones who seem to have no motivation or start out strong in a goal and soon sputter out.
The Way of The Superior Man by David Deida: (Mindset - P2.5) This book dives deep into man's deepest inhibitions and desires. Deida tells you how to take control of yourself as a man and learn to master work, women, and yourself. A lot of straight forward red pill advice on how to live your life as a fully satisfied man. Get what you want in your life.
The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar: (Mindset - P3) Free PDF This book documents the social conditioning that women are the inferior race and how we've been lead to believe that. The author states many truths about the world and what it is like to be a man and how the socially conditioned world sees otherwise. You're here because you took the red pill and want to learn about the how the real world treats men. This book will show that.
The Power Of Now by Eckhart Tolle: (Mindset - P3) Learn to leave your ego behind and live in the present moment. Tolle teaches you why so many are caught up in their lives and ego that it negatively affects how they live. He presents why and how to live in a state of presence: living in the now, as he calls it. This book truly helps you understand some of the factors holding you back from becoming the best person you can be right now. A little bit of a religious side in there but you can power through it.
Meditations by Marcus Aurelius: (Mindset - P3) A very simple pathway to practical philosophy. The message is simple but extraordinarily powerful: life is short, the past and the future are inaccessible, pain and pleasure have no meaning, but inside each one of us there is a ruling faculty that is touched only by itself. Meditating is heavily advocated on this subreddit and for good reason.
Sex God Method by Daniel Rose (Mindset - P3) Now that you're learning how to be dominate in your life, learn how to be dominate in bed. The best way to keep a woman around is by knowing what you're doing in the bedroom and giving her the ride of her life. This will honestly give you everything you need to keep your plate, your plate.
The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene:(Game - P3.5) Models was the sneak preview of psychology of social dynamics between men and women. He lays everything out on the table with fantastic examples and stories. He helps you dive deep into your inner conscious and realize and recognize the behaviors that you exhibit and the ones you hope to obtain. The Art of Seduction will push you into the deep end of the pool. Greene dives straight into the psychology of sexuality, desire, and interaction between men and women and fully explains why a lot of RedPill concepts work as they should.
The Art of War by Sun Tzu: (Mindset - P4) Sun Tzu and his infinite wisdom isn't just applicable to war but to every day circumstances. This is an entertaining read that can be applicable to certain situations.
Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe: (Fitness - P5) The essential beginning training guide to lifting. Rippetoe guides you through the why's, how's, do's, and don'ts of his acclaimed workout routine. Many many men have used this as their introduction to lifting. You will learn how to properly squat, deadlift, benchpress, powerclean, and overhead press your way into the body of the real man you are destined to be. Read and lift heavy. This is what I used for myself in the beginning of my fitness life. Of course you can just look up the gym plan and follow it.
The Game by Neil Strauss: (Humor - P5) This one is a fun break from the rest. There is a lot more stories and comparatively light reading to the others. This is what got me interested in the whole PUA scene and led me to TRP. This one's a true story about a guy who goes from total beta to one of the most notorious PUA in the scene. Pretty fun read, definitely a good break from the theory. Old PUA material, but I still use "The Cube" from time to time. A lot of outdated techniques in here so don't even try it.
The Way of Men by Jack Donovan: (Mindset - Unrated) I personally have not read this book yet but it's been suggest many times to me by posters in this subreddit. It's currently next on my list and I will update this list with my review after I've finished it.
Gorilla Mindset by Mike Cernovich: (Mindset - Unrated) Another one I haven't read but has been suggest sometimes by posters. If anybody can give a me a solid review on this, it'd be appreciated.
That's all for now.
Note: Experience will always be king. Reading should always be used as a supplementary guide.
tldr: Don't be a lazy shit, read.
rushh24 7y ago
A quick contrast with "how to win friends and influence people" and "no more mr nice guy" They seem to be completely contradicting pieces of work. One is saying to be overtly appreciative in order to win over appraisal, and the other is saying just worry about yourself and you will get further ahead. I think using "how to win friends and influence people" sets out a good guideline if there is something that you want out of a person, say for financial or political gain. But i think doing exactly the opposite is actually better in everyday life in today's society. For example, we know that women don't want the nice guy, so trying to get women by being super nice and appreciative would be counter productive. Obviously with all literature we need to take it with a grain of salt and decide what information we see as valuable. But just a thought as I have been going through the literature. I think men back in the 1930's actually needed help being nicer, but today it isn't as relevant.
claydn 8y ago
I would like to add another great book, "the art of not giving a fuck" by mark manson
frankgold 8y ago
I've created a torrent for these books, for your convenience. :D
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/17375218
frankgold 8y ago
I have created a torrent from all books here. Includes version 1 and 2. But I couldn't upload it to a torrent sharing site like pirate bay or such.
So I uploaded to here:
https://mirrorace.com/m/90qR
If you have accounts with torrent sharing sites and put it there I'd appreciate it.
frankgold 8y ago
I would add one more book to the "male manipulation" series:
The Satanic Witch
Written by Anton Szandor LaVey, this is one of the most detailed books about male manipulation. It almost reads like textbook, a manual.
http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/130868/LaVey_-_The_Satanic_Witch.pdf
apolloscript 8y ago
Which books were removed from version1 and version2?
macieksmola 8y ago
I have The Book of Pook in nicely edited epub, is there anyone who wants that?
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TheNincro 8y ago
Suggestion: I recommend moving Carnegie to after you've internalized RP. If read with a Blue Pill mindset it can easily rocket you deeper into it.
crew6dawg0 8y ago
I've been dying to read some books lately and have been getting into self improvement, thanks for the list.
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Gobiel 8y ago
It has actionable advice like paying attention to how you talk to yourself ; or make a list of who you are and what you regularly do (and why).
You just have to pick what is useful to you. Eg. I have recently spit back the pill and needed a reminder on my stance as my reckless increase in deadlifts had induced bad posture. It also has some pretty interesting bits on managing state ; paying close attention to the way you react to situations and to your feelings. If you read unbiased you will find this book is actually complementary to The Charisma Myth.
On another note, isn't this self-affirmations etc. "bullshit" exactly what Marcus Aurelius did for himself?
My morning routine now comprises reading a chapter of Pook, then 10min mindfulness meditation. And sometimes of reading and correcting my affirmations. I no longer find myself phased about random bouts of depression (like tears welling) or rejections anymore. You actually learn your impulses and rewire the way you act on them. But maybe it's just self-help bullshit that made me lost my time. I'll see how long this feeling lasts.
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Gobiel 8y ago
Usually I go to the table of contents on the Pook epub on my mobile phone (I use FBReader in night mode; whatever). Then I pick whatever piece I think could be useful today. Obviously, some chapters are longer than others.
Incidentally, it's amazing how my understanding of the book has changed over the repeated readings. I have found that I had some passages completely backwards !!! (like the Women are not Ice Water from Habit Is All)
I'm 20.5 years old by the way. Take what I say with a grain of salt. I'm INTJ as well. What I have (re)-discovered is do not let go of your meditation practice, and always keep making adjustments to your interactions: find your impulses and "rewire" the way you act on your impulses. Do not ever repress your day-dreaming. If dreaming about banging your teacher in the ass makes you confident, so be it. Do not talk about it, do not be ashamed about it. All this may be bullshit - I have still not made my mind about it - but have found that some of this was things I practiced unconsciously pre school shaming and dropped in favour of video games / porn. Whatever; good for you beginning lifting at 18.
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Agree, its just gathering of blog posts. Nothing valuable in it.
axxxman 8y ago
Definitely overrated. Cernovich is very good at building his brand and getting attention though, more to learn from that than his book.
EatmyShorts59 8y ago
Bro!
I'm going through it now, and I am just not eager to finish it.
I've heard nothing but praise for it, but so far I'm like ehh....
thelandofdreams 8y ago
If anyone is interested in helping out a new up and coming red-pill writer, I'll send you a copy of my book Dating for the Human Animal for free. Could really use some honest reviews.
ag_blank 8y ago
I would love to read that book, yea
thelandofdreams 8y ago
Sure PM me your email address
slickdevil1 8y ago
Awesome compilation. Saved.
CinematicRacer14 8y ago
Great list. I've read most of these books. I've stayed away from the art of war for whatever reason. But I will have to check it out.
EatmyShorts59 8y ago
I have cliff notes on a lot of these books, please check out my website to see them.
Very detailed notes !!!
http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/
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You really ought to make a post about your site. I feel like it got lost in the comments but its worth sharing.
EatmyShorts59 8y ago
Thanks man!
I've gotten nothing but love from TRP about my site.
Maybe I should.
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I'd put The Way of Men in P1. I've read all but 3 on your list and it's easily in the top 2 of the intro section. He expresses masculine values in a brilliant way. It's a great pill swallowing aid.
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I suggest Psycho-Cybernetics.
Most mindset, confidence, self-esteem etc. books are based on it. It has all the principles needed you to get rid of your "old version" and rebuild yourself. Theres ideas that even eckart tolle got from it.
EatmyShorts59 8y ago
I have cliff notes on Psycho-Cybernetics
Check out my website.
Very detailed notes !!!
http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/
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Ok ok max one website plug per thread please
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The Cube! It's an amazing routine.
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Thank fuck. I've been talking about this for over a year on MRP/TRP, people act as if I have 3 fucking heads.
It's like astrology, Chris Angel, and Dr Phill, all rolled up into one
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"The Game" was basically a gamebreaker for me, one that got me into PUA. Over time I just started viewing PUA as a set of poor routines and tricks, nothing about changing yourself. It's basically making an clown out of yourself, I don't need a book to do that.
And once you know the ins and outs, every other PUA is just another clown. I've had one try his antics with a girl I was on a date. Dressed in a nice shirt, a suit vest and fucking jeans and sneakers, you don't mix that shit.
Some C&F openers, trying to isolate her from me, but didn't manage to impress her with that tier 0 tricks, so she basically told him nicely to get lost. He used his last ditch line, something like "that's how you talk in elementary school? where's your knapsack?", but it was a little too late to neg her.
I always say that PUAs are like drones. They can only go where their routines, attraction-rapport equations, five second rules, degree of approach rules take them, but force them to improvise and they're done. It's actually hilarious.
Moneyley 8y ago
PUAs may be like drones but if their kill rate is over 60% then consider getting one. You mention "forcing them to improvise" I mean...what if they dont need too? Hate to come off as white knighting for them but I see it as "i use the same lines, the same rules and I have a 60-70% chance of taking home some random sexy chick" I think Ill take my chances having to look like a fool improvising. Its like when Phil Jackson sold "the triangle" offense to the lakers. Same damn scheme all the time that won them 3 championships.
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It's more about my own conscience than about PUAs woulding/coulding/shoulding anything. Like with that HIMYM Naked Man move, who cares if it's stupid when it gets you laid 2 out of 3 times.
But to me, end doesn't necessarily justify the means and I'd rather make a fool out of myself improvising (and improve in the act) than use predefined lines. I just feel better doing so.
Moneyley 8y ago
I get you. It feels better coming up with your own shit. No doubt that repeating the same pick up lines takes away from your essence.
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From the very beginning, I perceived Red Pill as a mindset, a way of life, rather than just a sexual strategy. Not that I care about sex either, with my non-existent Testosterone, but hopefully I'm getting that fixed sometime soon.
But becoming a man of my own will, free from society-induced imperative need to impress people in order to feel self-worth - doing things I perceive as "right" rather than "accepted", thus being outcome independent man of character rather than personality - now this is what I perceive as my ultimate goal.
And my vision of Red Pill glorifies such behaviour rather than PUE-ish peacocking females into arousal in order to garner their attraction and acquire quick relief.
Moneyley 8y ago
Agree with you, Redpill is a mindset. I see the PUA community as something interesting that many people can benefit from but whos to say that a pick up artist doesnt go home and just watch tv all day or someone can have great pick up but then have a shitty career. PUA in itself is a mindset and because of that; it will always be just a part of TRP but never anything greater.
SetConsumes 8y ago
The Anatomy of Female Power is a P3 for your list, better than The Manipulated Man imo as its written from a male perspective and more brutal.
RedPillFreedom 8y ago
Please, enlighten me how brutal.
While reading manipulated man, I would constantly be in anger phase. God, there was so much. Honestly, felt great. I loved how we were all just absolutely lied to.
SetConsumes 8y ago
I had regular moments of anger shock and admiration. I read Manipulated Man first, then The Anatomy of Female Power a few months later.
Its especially interesting as it's written by a Nigerian that got his PhD in the USA. You get the perspective of the Europe and not.
Essentially, nearly every society is controlled by a matriarchy, and any society with an apparent patriarchy still has a matriarchy that works in covert ways wielding the true power, assets, and decision making.
In many ways, civilization exists to protect and essentially serve women. The ways women groom boys to be controlled by future women, the way society is setup to help women's procreation goals, leaves little to no hope that it can ever be much different.
This book was written in 1990 and is very hard to find, like $200 on Amazon atm. I have a pdf of it where each page has been scanned.
However, he also paints the picture of the future man, The Masculinist. It's like a truly independent man that understands the nature of women and doesn't shun them entirely, but treats them as independent people that come and go in a man's life. The Masculinist does not submit to a woman fully and become her provider or as he puts it, Nest Slave.
The most brutal truth for me was this, the Macho man, the not very thinking but highly masculine and alpha man, he is the perfect creation to be a woman's nest slave. Chad is a Macho man imo. So while they are the most envied, and are better off than the beaten down emasculated men, the Macho men are by far not the ideal man most men would want to be. And unfortunately, most men will not be able to help but fall into being macho men or emasculated men, very few can become Masculinists and truly be free and not a slave to women.
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The red queen and Practical Female psychology, Rollo reccomendations, and super applicable to your list
Auvergnat 8y ago
“Practical Female Psychology: For the Practical Man” by Joseph South, David Clare and Franco. Excerpt: http://archive.is/DqZPO
michaelsatin 8y ago
I don't know why people never mention The Sexual Key, by J. D. Fuentes. This book literally revolutionize my perspective on women and how they function. If you ask me this book should be mandatory reading for every man.
redolas 8y ago
Didn't know about this one. For me, for now, it's Sex at Dawn.
Auvergnat 8y ago
Great list, but of course everyone has their preferences. If I were to try to unplug anyone, my personal must-read list would be, in that order:
The couple of very best "mainstream-friendly" books on the importance of masculinity, to start gently and arouse curiosity:
1- No More Mr. Nice Guy, by Robert Glover
Which should hopefully be enough to pave the way for the upcoming shock of unplugging that comes when you swallow the red pill bible:
3- The Rational Male, by Rollo Tomassi
Once aware that everything he knew about the world of humans' interactions was a lie, our unplugged man will then find the best general information on how to deal with the real world in:
5- The 48 Laws of Power, by Robert Greene
And only then, when our redpill-aware man finally understands the theory on the real nature of women and of human interactions, he might want to read the best books that put that theory into practice to game and bang women:
7- Bang / Day bang, by Roosh V
Then the rest of OP's list for anyone who wants more details in any specific matter.
ArkAngelEV 8y ago
Interesting: my take on unplugging a fully unaware man would be
1.The book of pook - fun and easygoing illustration of things bluepill faggots have witnessed but can't easily explain. followed by an old book called "the secret garden" or some bullshit book that is a collection of real women's sexual fantasies and stories and some of their darker desires.
everything else; whether it's introducing the plight of man, current state of affairs, behind the curtain of the opposite sex, then mastery over oneself, ones mind, becoming more skilled socially/sex then higher level mental models of attraction ( laws of seduction ) and finally higher order books that ties all the information together
but book of pook starts first
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Practical female psychology is amazing, it really breaks down the psychology and emphasize about understanding women rather than being angry.
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This is a key point. Actually learning about female psychology rather than just how to pick up women is critical for good personal development as well as better success with women.
GodandMyself 8y ago
Literally got this book b/c psychology interests me and man, 100000% agree. I literally got thru 2/3 of that book in one day and have been blown away at how....accurate it is. This should be in this guys list for sure and every man and teenage boy should read this book a few times before even thinking about talking to women. To me, this is the ultimate cheat sheet.
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Auvergnat 8y ago
I read it too and it's great info but the fact is that: even if it was the best book on fitness (haven't read any others so I can't tell), it's only a book on fitness. A good gym coach could give you the same info, and you could still go to the gym and do 5x5 without having read it (even though that would increase your chances of doing bad form and injuring yourself).
To sum up, it's important to read in order to lift safely, but wouldn't call it highest priority because it's not contributing to a redpill awakening. Your unplugging would just get delayed if you were to read it before any of the other must-reads.
scrodzilla 8y ago
I found that the Married Man Sex Life Primer is an outstanding resource for those of you starting LTRs.
wakethfkupneo 8y ago
Can confirm - this is how I've got my first quick course introduction to RP. Athol eventually distanced himself from core RP, most likely for business reasons, but MMSL is IMO the goto book for any freshly unplugged marred/LTR guy.
CinematicRacer14 8y ago
I will say that I have problem with how to win friends and influence people. It seems a bit on the people pleasing side. Everything in it is pretty legit. But at what cost?
Another book I'd add is Time Warrior: How to defeat procrastination, people-pleasing, self-doubt, over-commitment, broken promises and chaos by Steve Chandler. Short and to the point.
TheIceReaver 8y ago
Good people skills and genuine open hearted charisma go a long way and ultimately can unlock one of the greatest facets of the human experience - a genuine connection with other people you respect. I don't want my social contact to be limited to the self interested holier than thou type. That's cool, but you can be direct on your internal quest without being a strange asshole and you'll guaranteed find the journey more entertaining in the end.
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michaelsatin 8y ago
Try The Sexual Key, by J.D. Fuentes. See my other comment, it changed my life. Not an easy read though.
FlexGunship 8y ago
Had to share my immediate experience. Grabbed "No More Mister Nice Guy" (eBook) and started reading it when I got home from work (about 7 hours ago). Read for quite a while... Tried to internalize what I could.
I went to have dinner with some close friends (a hetero couple) and tried forcing myself to follow the book's advice of confiding in a male you trust. Told my buddy "hey, listen, I'm doing this thing where, well, it's kind of self-help to stop pleasing others... I'm afraid I might be a nice guy."
He laughed in my face. And his girlfriend asked what was so funny from the kitchen. "Flex just said he thinks he might be a nice guy."
She yelled back in "may I remind you that just the other day you told [married couple] it was smart to keep their kids in separate daycares because of the dangers of 'concentrated ugly'?"
Maybe I should've started with a different book. Honestly, I ended up laughing so hard... I wish I had thought to record it. They both think I'm retarded for reading it, though, so that's a good sign.
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CinematicRacer14 8y ago
Book of Pook is the most valuable audiobook on game and attitude that's ever listened to. I've already listened to it three times.
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it is, having said that, the guy does have frame and a positive outlook on having a mission.
80% of it is perfectly bang on.
SetConsumes 8y ago
Generally, it frames things in a female narrative accepting way.
Auvergnat 8y ago
OP, forget "Models". It's a good book on Game sure but it is massively blue pill / watered down to please the feminine imperative (just look at the subtitle, "Attract Women through Honesty"). It'll give you good practical tips, but it'll also teach some blue pill poisons such as "be vulnerable".
Book of Pook is awesome for the fundamental theory on Game, but less practical like Models is.
For proper red pill practical books on Game: Mystery Method and Roosh's Bang.
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Auvergnat 8y ago
Yes. The "vulnerability" message in Models is basically "Show how strong you are by admitting where you are vulnerable as a hint that you are not afraid of her rejecting you on the basis of your flaws".
And it makes sense. Except why calling it "be vulnerable" when it's quite obvious the real message behind is "be strong by using this little known trick". Why use a word that is basically the opposite of strong to actually say "be strong", and risk to confuse his readers to mis-interpret his message as "women love men with weaknesses"? Why not use a less ambiguous word, for example as you suggest "have a mentality of abundance / outcome independence /NGAF"? Or at least add an important side-note such as "be sure that by vulnerable I don't mean weak. Women despise the weak man". And why insisting so much on that "be vulnerable" advice as an apparently core component of attraction, when the message behind is just really one of many ways to show your strength/NGAF?
To me, the answer is really obviously that Mark Manson knew that men and women would read his book and judge it. He knew that if he didn't sugar-coat his message as one of respect of women ("Attract women through honesty") and one that recognizes the Feminine Imperative -approved definition of masculinity ("be vulnerable"), then his book would be shot down by the feminist society, just like Mystery, Roosh and the other evil PUAs.
Mark Manson was a PUA like all the others (his nickname was "Entropy PUA" apparently). He understood how to pick up women. But instead of telling it like it is, like Mystery and Roosh before him, he watered it down to avoid the fury of the feminist hivemind. Whether he did it willingly because he was blue pill and couldn't take the reality he witnessed OR whether he did it intelligently because he was red pill and knew he'd have to water it down to make some money from it on the long run, I don't know. One thing is sure though: it worked. While Mystery and Roosh are now on the list of the most hated men on Earth, Mark is now an entrepreneur, a relationship specialist, a respectable blogger.
Does it mean Models is bad? No. It's actually pretty good... as long as you are red pill aware and can see through the obvious watered-down messages meant to cater for the feminine readership. But personally, I can't trust a man who saw the truth but decided to reveal just a part of it as a commercial ploy.
_vend7u 8y ago
Sounds pretty dark triad to me.
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keepstay 8y ago
i can agree, that book good if u skip all the bpill shit by being redpill aware at first.
Auvergnat 8y ago
It's still good content for sure. But you get just as much gold in Roosh's Bang or Mystery's The Mystery Method, without all the blue-pill impurities.
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Auvergnat 8y ago
I get ya. I spent my first year after unplugging reading just about any material that was "redpill-recommended" and so always discarded any of that "shit PUA" material that a lot of TRPers love to hate. Then one day exploring Game forums, I found the MM and checked it out. I was immediately stunned at how truly red pill these guys were in their understanding of the psychological quirks of women and their Machiavellianism in their exploitation of these quirks to generate attraction. And it was way before anyone had even thought of adopting the "red pill" metaphor. It's a bit old now, but it's a shame it has a bad rep, as it discourages people from reading what is actually awesome material. It's a bit like MM is the old testament of red pill philosophy (with the Rational Male being the new): outdated but foundational.
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Im honest about who i am and what i do. That way when people start to bitch, whatre they gonna say? I was open and honest about what i was all about dont act surprised.
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Exactly what a lot of TRP guys dont understand.
A lot of people here think they must act tough, alfa, no feelings, all those things. But it's not who they are, they're just doing it because they want success with women. They're being manipulative, and while "fake it till you make it" is a good thing, I want to point out the double standard that they have:
Their goal is to trick women with this tips and tricks that they've read, and when they see a girl being manipulative towards them, they go full rage mode and make "women are manipulative sluts, AWALT, dont get married" posts.
I probably didn't make my point clear, but it's basically taken from this video from Stefan Molyneux. He speaks to this "typical" TRP guy, who is using women for sex (and hiding this from them), while at the same time wants a good girl for marriage and kids. It's a double standard.
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Yeah, and thats the thing about early on is you have to find the style that works for you. Im not stoic at all. Im loud, brash, and all around obnoxious. This helps me in a lot of situations and hurts me in a lot of situations, but thats the nature of it. Everyones style has flaws and benefits. But thats also why its so effortless, because its who i am.
Otherwise it comes across as tryhard and most people, not just women, pick up on that really quickly
Auvergnat 8y ago
I didn't say to be dishonest. I said the subtitle makes it clear it's watered down to please our female overlords. An equivalent subtitle would have been "Dear women, this is not a book about tricking you. I swear I am only teaching men to be honest. Please don't burn my book."
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Eeeeeh I see what you're saying but it's more about how a bluepill would describe these things and thats a very important skill to display. It's more a book about how to present these things to others outside trp, a la rule 1. Which is vital to survival
Auvergnat 8y ago
Oh you mean in terms of an example of Law 38 put into application? I agree. It's masterful!
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Essentially. It's more a learning by osmosis book for me. You have to show the mentality. Most of the guys, when they read it, certainly aren't ready to really be redpilled. They want to flaunt it as much as possible, and if you show them some of the more serious redpill stuff too soon, they'll fuck themselves over.
Auvergnat 8y ago
You're playing 7d chess.. I could actually get behind that idea
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Yah dude, its a longterm process, not an overnight thing. Shit, ive been here damn near 6 years now and Im still working on it
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Joshua44 8y ago
I haven't read all the books you listed, but I agree with you on the books I have read. I also believe that No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover is the best primer, particularly with any man who was raised under the male shaming tactics of either religion or feminism.
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TheInkerman 8y ago
Religion was a means to enforce the gender roles which were the most productive and least disruptive for more complex (non-hunter/gatherer) societies. It did this through a mixture of fear, rewards, and shame for both genders. The 'traditional' feminist narrative has focused on the way it polices women's behaviour, but it does so for men as well. Men, generally being the primary public actors in society, generally had more 'power' in that society than women, so they were perceived as having more freedom, but on the other hand ostensibly had more responsibilities. The issue is that it is easier to fail at your responsibilities than it is to fight social controls placed on you.
Doesn't mean men aren't shamed by religion, just in different ways for different reasons. I think Dalrock covers this a fair bit on his blog.
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TheInkerman 8y ago
Shaming men into becoming fathers to children that aren't biologically their own.
The idea of a man working to provide for his wife and children is essentially a religious one (or at least comes from the same social control structure).
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Oh man try being Catholic growing up. The man is shamed constantly
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AmazingMalice 8y ago
Likewise, if anything the boys were told that women are temptation and it is our jobs to remain celibate and resist the temptation. the only issue with Catholicism is that the word 'catholic' literally means 'universal' ergo my religion teacher was a die-hard SJW socialist and would shame white males for all of history's issues.
Moneyley 8y ago
The Game, by neil Strauss, helped me get to a level where I understand how self conscious women REALLY are. In one section he described how something as simple as giving a napkin to a hot chick then telling her she has lipstick in her teeth could essentially lower her guard down the entire evening.
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CollaterLDamage 8y ago
no one ever recommends Rules of the game by neil strauss
it literally gives you a day by day guide on what to do. i would put it towards p3-p4 but having a guidebook is fairly helpful at the beginning
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CinematicRacer14 8y ago
So it's blue-pilled to get married????? I'm not even for marriage. But c'om.
CollaterLDamage 8y ago
I'm not saying he is. His book on the other hand is. The skills taught in it are what I would call "the fundamentals^. It's a book that can make a blue pillar swallow the pill and not realize it till the stomachs digesting. No matter what, I always recommend the first 5 chapters for blue pills,Omega,beta or just if you are generally not confident.
They may have reverted back to blue pill but to say there gaming techniques didn't work is just foolish. Red or blue, it's all just a game and you need to know how to play to win. They played, they won, they got tired and stopped playing.
LethalShade 8y ago
Wouldn't that make for an even more interesting read? A man who's been around all the pickup legends(and might be considered one himself), "mastered" women/dating but still decided to settle down in marriage.
Even if you don't agree with his choices, just seeing his perspective would increase yours tremendously.
CollaterLDamage 8y ago
I like to think of oneitis like a pizza slice. There are millions of of pizzerias but you found a spot that makes them just right. So now they become your favorite plate. If the pizzeria starts serving bad pizza, you let them know, because they used to be good, or maybe you just don't like there pizza anymore. Either way, you can go to a new pizzeria or if the old spot fixes up, stay with that.
What I'm saying is, even if you find one to keep an LTR with, this is TRP and we know if it ever goes bad, you can always come back. And even when it's good, you can still practice on the side, putting others in your friend zone and having male friends wing you and teach you how to play again.
PawnToKing 8y ago
Remove rippetoe, add starrett. I'm sick and tired of seeing powerlifting on a threat using lifting for aesthetics.
mlgwarrior420 8y ago
My dad and I talk about things from No More Mr. Nice Guy, and I'm about to be reading it (he hinted at getting it for me for xmas as a special RP reward, since I was BP most my life).
Can't wait to read it
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Ask him for an ebook, they are around 60-100 dollars and start pirating all your books. I read all my books on my phone, probably I saved half of my phones worth on books already. There is also another tactic I will use when I have money to spare: pirate self help, rp, game books and delete them after reading in order to make your successes look effortless. Buy business, hobby, classics and "cool" books in hard copy and showcase them in a visible part of your house.
mlgwarrior420 8y ago
I just like reading hard copies of books in general, not a big fan of the e-book phase (even though I'm 18 doing IT, lol).
Maybe I'll pirate a thing or two if I really need to.
Also, Tuesdays With Morrie is a great book.