Dear RPers,
In our last installment, we discussed the damage porn inflicts upon or subconscious in terms of sexual perception and the complacency it causes through its limitless availability and sexual fantasization for profit. We also discussed how for our generation most adolescent sexual upbringing is self-orchestrated to a media designed to and which thrives from continued use, and how many of the sexual expectations we’ve developed during our period of adolescence are founded upon unrealistic or uncommon real-world practices further hard-wired into our psyche by our continuous use of the media.
In short, if Disney causes of our ill-conceived notions on love, Pornhub causes of our ill-conceived notion on sex.
What we will be discussing today are ways in which abstinence from masturbation can be weaponized and used in your daily encounters with women, we’ll touch on how womens’ perceptions of men alter through abstinence from masturbation and how it affects the tell-tale “inaction rationalization i.e. male-hamstering”.
In Part 3, we’ll begin comparing active approach v. passive approach in terms of masturbation, we’ll touch on further monitoring and controlling your PAT and we’ll discuss in-depth a topic that is commonly discussed indirectly on TRP but has been rarely addressed forthright: radical polarization (as opposed to standard polarization).
ADDENDUM
Before I begin, please remember to approach what is being discussed as objectively as possible; the necessity of porn and constant masturbation have been hardwired to your psyche at adolescence, so some of the topics that will be discussed may seem difficult to swallow. Just as you’ve felt oppression when introduced to the truths behind love, women and the societal miscommunications on both, you’re first reaction may be to lash back out of frustration. This is a normal and understandable response. Porn and masturbation addiction are both dopamine-addictions, as are drugs, alcohol or nicotine. A depravation or endangement of any dopamine stimulants will elicit such a response. Remember, however, to regularly practice your restraints and mediations of masturbation even after reading this article; a one-time attempt at regulated abstinence doesn’t provide a cure-all for dopamine addiction, one AA meeting doesn’t a sober man make.
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Men need sex. Women need validation.
Men supplement their lack of sex with masturbation, which in turn is supplemented in unlimited quantities through porn. But how do women supplement their validation between male encounters?
Women haven’t made it out of our digital age without the digital age unscathed and without some form of socially-ambiguous digitally-based dopamine addiction; for women Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, PoF, Tinder, OKCupid, Fling, Tango, Tumblr, Vine, YouTube, Twitch, KiK, SeekingArrangement, etc. are all social playgrounds in which women have their need for validation satisfied through the limitless validation availability for women, a business-crafted fantasization and idealization of relationships, the desires of the men validating them and through their own fantasized version of their SMV (i.e. the belief that men in real life will pursue them to the degree online men will r that their real-life SMV matches their online SMV just as we discussed in “Local Sexy Single Women: Part 1 & 2”).
Sound familiar? It should.
Just as men become addicted to the instant and limitless need-fulfillment provided by porn, women are addicted to the instant and limitless need-fulfillment provided by social media. And just as it creates a complacency in men not to pursue real sex, women's addiction creates a complacency to not make themselves pursuit-worthy.
The difference between each genders’ addiction comes forward when each gender's false addiction-created vision of reality meets real-world applications. A complacent, lower-than-her- potential SMV woman can still get real-world validation from a higher SMV male due to the feminist social landscape and “macro-sociological beta mindset” created within.
In this landscape, even high-value men will validate low-value women because the intrinsic value of pussy is ungodly high (due to the two addictions we just discussed).We can consider the woman’s addiction healthy: she receives constant validation from every facet of her life; she can get validated from men in her social circles, supplement it with online validation through social media, there’s no negative societal stigma towards validation addiction among women and the fantasy created by social media addiction is rarely combated as men will alter themselves to match said fantasy, albeit with ulterior motive (in some cases, society supplicates this fantasy through media like movies, music and TV by describing it as normal or “expected”).
As a man we aren’t so lucky. We can consider a man’s addition unhealthy: he only receives constant sexual release from one facet of his life (his addiction), his intrinsic value towards pussy is raised (due to scarcity), the fantasy derived from his addiction is aggressively rejected by real-world experiences/societal norms and –although common practice among men- his addiction is negatively perceived by society (i.e. a girl can openly talk about how many friend requests she's received this week, but he can’t openly talk about how he spanked it five times to Back Door Sluts 9).
What’s worse, by supplementing his lack of sexual release through women by masturbating, the necessity that drives him to pursue real-world sex declines. It becomes a want and no longer a need.
The amount of rationalization supporting his inaction will also increase. Below are some examples of rationalizations (i.e. ”male-hamstering”) commonly displayed by a complacent male (think to yourself how many of the following you’ve told yourself at any given time):
- “She’s not THAT hot. I can find much hotter than her." (she’s actually hot)
- “She looks like a bitch. I don’t want to put up with her attitude.” (un-grounded remark)
- “That’s probably her boyfriend beside her. I don’t want to step on any toes.” (fear of confrontation)
- “She probably doesn’t like (insert character trait here) guys” (self-deprecation)
- “I’m probably not her type. She probably likes (insert subculture here) guys.” (meekness)
- “She’s out of my league. I’m not good enough for her yet.” (unnecessary bar-setting)
- “I’d go up to her, but I don’t want to come off as a creep.” (fear of polarization)
- “I have nothing to say to her. We’ll have nothing in common.” (lack of depth)
- “All girls who wear (insert brand here) are (insert stereotype here).” (generalization)
- “I’ll wait her to give me a sign. When she does (insert weirdly specific IOI here), I’ll go talk to her.” (impossible scenario creation)
You must convert your “want” for sexual release back into a "need".
Next we’ll discuss how complacency through masturbation is communicated to women and how the necessity of sexual release becomes a great weapon. Speaking of weapons…
A GUN AIN’T S___ WITHOUT BULLETS
Okay, so let’s say your strolling along on some bright and sunny Wednesday, and a robber jumps out from the shadows. You’ve never left home without your trusty pistol, but because you’ve never actually needed it until now, you don’t have bullets in it.
You know that it's empty, but the robber doesn't. You brandish your gun, holding it up to his stupid mug.
At first the robber’s impressed by your preparation for his assault and is fearful of your unwavering resolve. But then he starts to see through you. He notices your hands are shaking. He sees you’ve begun to sweat. He sees your finger’s not on the trigger. He can sense the fear in your eyes. He can sense your lack of conviction.
He calls your bluff, robs you blind, takes your wallet, runs off and spends your hard-earned dough on a bunch of stupid shit like shopping, make-up, pedicures and nail-polish. I think your getting my metaphor now (just to beat you over the head with it, it’s a metaphor on gaming women).
Brandishing a gun only gets you so far; if the robber is in-experienced (young/virgin) or scared-themselves (insecurity) or unarmed (unattractive) or weak (overweight) or psychotic (psychotic), just pointing your gun at them might work. But let’s face it, you want the type of gun that’ll intimidate (give tingles) to even the most opposing (sexy) of adversaries (hot-ass fine women).
Consider your “gun” as the metaphorical representation of your SMV (or a phallic metaphor if that's your thing). Now consider every day you abstain from masturbation as a bullet in your “gun”. The more “bullets” you load, the more powerful the "gun", the more intimidating you feel.
‘Feel’ is the keyword here.
Not every robber will see your brand of gun as imposing, but it's not the gun that counts. Your imposing demeanor should come more from you wielding the gun than the gun itself. The gun is just there to compliment that demeanor with hard evidence
Even if you're wielding some toy BB gun from Wal-Mart, if you hold that toy gun firmly and with confidence, your conviction and the mystery behind the gun’s true/unsaid nature will be enough to intimidate any robber (to beat you over the head again, it’s a frame metaphor).
Without bullets however, feigning is only a temporary solution. Fear always shines through when your gun is empty, and the smaller the gun the more fearful you’ll appear.
As impressive as your Desert Eagle or Beretta may appear, whether it's from an engraving, customization or even a gold-finish, it won't make a difference if the robbers aren’t afraid of you or if they question your resolve. More importantly, a robber’s not going to pull the trigger for you. The most you can ask for is that they make themselves an easy target.
As we discussed earlier, masturbating removes the need for sexual release. While in some cases that might be seen as a good thing, if one is actively pursuing women or would like to enhance the frequency or efficiency of a current sexual relationship, it can be a crippling vice.
In addition, the only situations where masturbation can be viewed as non-destructive is when it is both regulated and porn-free (I can’t stress that enough).
Next, we’ll discuss both the Predator and Observer approaches to masturbation and masturbation abstinence.
“HUNGRY V. STARVING”
In the comment section of the previous "Power of Horny" article, some people compared the “thirst” caused by masturbation abstinence to a thirst for water.
I vehemently disagree with this notion; if one's dying of thirst, they’ll drink from whichever body of liquid presents itself first, be it a fountain of pure filtered spring water or a murky puddle at a gas station.
I believe this “thirst” is more like a “desire”, like a desire for entertainment.
Let’s say you’ve been working constantly over the past few weeks and you haven’t had the chance to just relax and watch Netflix. When you finally get an opportunity to kick back for the day, you’ll want to make sure the show or movie you decided watch will be worth your time. You may watch a trailer or you may have heard some comedy movie is good or maybe you’ve waited to watch something for a while. You may even watch something you’ve seen before because you enjoyed it.
What you're less likely to do is plop down and throw on the first show that pops on screen. You wouldn’t enjoy sitting through reruns of Iron Chef when you hate cooking shows just because you haven’t watched Netflix in a while. Finding the right show may prove to be time-consuming, but you know it’ll be worth it in the end.
This is the mindset abstinence will put you in. Hungry, but not desperate. And in order to find an happy medium between desperation and complacency, we’ll will brake our theory into two approaches: Predator and Observer and define PAT within said context.
The Predator approach is to be used by those who are actively pursuing multiple sexual relationships or aiming for more frequent or efficient satisfaction from a sexual partner. I believe most men will fall into this category.
The approach is simple to begin, difficult to master: masturbate as rarely as possible. Remember the gun metaphor? The more bullets you’ve loaded, the more intimidating the gun.
In the presence of attractive women, you'll want to appear both confident and sexually-hungry (which is different from sexually-starved, which we’ll discuss in a minute). Women want to feel desired. They want you to throw them around the room and plow them like a caveman. They want you to spontaneously walk up to them at a bar, woo them over with sexually-charged conversation and bang them in the back of a burgundy ’03 Mazda Speed-6.
But women can read through bullshit like the newspaper. Just like the robber and the gun, it all works better when it’s genuine.
It’s one thing to take a girl home and fuck her all "rough-like" because you read once on TRP how AWALT and like rough sex. Sure she’ll like that at first, but because you’re heart won’t been truly into it, she’ll pick up on your lack of conviction eventually. Now if you’re throwing her around like tissue paper because you haven’t had sexual release in over a week well, that’s something else entirely.
When you eat, you eat. But when you eat out of hunger, you eat with conviction.
Aside from all this, I've suggested masturbation as rarely as possible over complete abstention for a reason.
Unlike a real gun, your gun can be overloaded. This "overloaded state" is what we'll refer to as Potential Abstinence Threshold (PAT) or the point at which your sexual desire reverts back to it’s instinctual state, causing you to seek any form of sexual release with little to no discrimination or prerequisite.
Know yourself, know your body. My PAT is roughly 2 weeks. Any longer than that and I begin to make reckless decisions about the women I chose to accompany (see “The Man-Eater”). Know and learn your PAT and be honest with yourself. No really, be honest. Some people can last a month without release, some a week. You MUST find your own.
Here’s a quick way to test your PAT: As you abstain, monitor your attraction levels to the women around you. Your pivotal point will be where the attractive women seem to jump out at you, the inaction rationalizations' influences are minimal and the unattractive women become quasi-invisible. You’ll know you’re past your PAT if MOST women become attractive to you and you've become you’re TOO forward or aggressive with your approach.
If you monitor your PAT correctly, at the peak of your resolve, cold approaching will become second nature.
Your body naturally feels a need for sexual release, so when you cut its stimulation through masturbation, it will inhibit any factors that might impede it from gaining sexual release elsewhere. Your brain will turn rationalizations like “She probably only likes biker guys” into “She may hang around those guys, but that’s only because she hasn’t met me yet”.
(Part 2 was going to be longer but it seems I’ve hit the text limit. This means there may or may not be a Part 4 after Part 3. Either way, until next time RPers.)
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OmLaLa 10y ago
The discussions regarding the implementation of the Observer method, how to effectively use a combination of both the Predatory and the Observatory approaches, how to further gauge your PAT range and would was to end on how to best use the peak of your PAT were excluded from Part 2 due to the character limit.
I've decided to save these topics to be incorporated in the next entry in the "Power of Horny" series.
redditnosleep 10y ago
This is true diamond. I barely see such a good article. This is real wisdom with much experience.
amirrezapsp 10y ago
Awesome article I saved it!
I guess the question some people including may have is:
Abstinence sounds great on paper, but when I apply it to myself, I seem to stop focusing on anything that I am doing and ONLY think about the chick next to me or going incognito to check a porn site. How do you deal with that? Is there a fix? Does it go away? and this happens after 2-3 days of going without masturbating.
jx234 10y ago
Fapping every 10 days would make sense. Test peaks 7 days after ejaculation.
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659...t=Abstract
dongpal 10y ago
link doesnt work
also, how long did they test it ? what happens at day 14, or 18 ?
KonradKant 10y ago
Don't worry, it's the least scientifically credible study known to mankind.
moosevice_dot_com 10y ago
The problem in the USA is the oversexualization of girls everywhere flaunting their tits and ass to the public. It is like walking in an escort town but illegal to pay for play. It's infuriating and a cause of frustration for guys. In the Arab world they took it to the extreme with the burka but they had the right idea to cover their females in public.
The problem is the amount of whores walking down the street. Back in the 1900 these girls would be label prostitutes and socially shamed by the village. Today they are celebrated like Miley, Kim, Nikki and their queen Madonna the Nasty Whore (tm).
emphesym 10y ago
I have some muslims at my school that don't think women should shake a man's hand at a ceremony because the man will get horny. a lot of the guys are very socially awkward and inexperienced with women. covering women up to that extent sexualizes them even more, and makes the guys even more beta
moosevice_dot_com 10y ago
Yes these guys are extremists in their ways. What I was advocating is women dressing conservatively. Not showing skin and wearing long skirts or regular pants that aren't tight. You know like a respectable woman in society. Girls at work are dressed like that (except a few bad apples) and they receive little to no attention from males.
emphesym 10y ago
I agree with dressing more conservative and not having your tits and ass flop out everywhere, but I still think it would look stupid and similar to the Muslim thing to go out in summer and see men in shorts and t-shirts and women in pants and long sleeves.
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moosevice_dot_com 10y ago
I see the language is a bit aggressive for you sweet tits.
jx234 10y ago
Why would you want "females" to be covered in public unless you were jealous and sex-starved? Go and speak to them bro, pussy feels great.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
You guys seriously get addicted to jerkin it and pron?
I simply cannot imagine that.
RPJapan 10y ago
I have read that being prone to addiction is a genetic trait that perhaps you don't possess. I am the same way with caffeine in that I will drink many cups a day and suddenly stop without withdrawal symptoms.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
I would assume I don't have the trait, since I can't even keep up bad habits.
The no fap thing to me is nothing more than woo. I haven't gotten off at all since my older girl flew out to see me three weeks ago. No boost of any kind, especially not like the no fap guys tout. All through my life if I wasn't getting laid it was about maintenance, relieving the pressure, and until I started trt five years ago I had a crazy high drive. Not draining things resulted in lack of focus, frustration level rising, and other bad shit. On deployments and during war time I couldn't run out and pick up random chicks to fuck, so I had forced dry spells of months to a year. Not rubbing one out made all the shit harder to deal with, not easier as is often claimed.
My experiences have been different, naked girls are fun to look at, but if I'm not fucking them I really don't care.
VayneWolf 10y ago
Excellent read, but I have a concern I would like addressed if anyone could help.
I have a fairly high sex drive, but due to being in monk mode to build myself as best as possible, I am unwilling/unable to release my sexual tensions via plates.
I fun that without porn and masturbation, I become rather distracted and sexually frustrated when being around attractive women at the gym or anywhere else where I'm bound to interact with women.
When I masturbate, however, I find that I pay very little attention to women around me and am able to better focus on my own goals and my own life.
Can anyone give me some advice/feedback on what to do with my predicament?
J_Dizzle1000 10y ago
Watched a documentary on porn on netflix. It's called "Hot Girls wanted." After that it kind of ruined porn for me. That documentary paird with one about porn's effect on the male psyche was enough for me. Been on a week of no fap and it's fucking hard, no pun intended, but I'm starting to feel better and be more active. I feel like I can lift more and I feel a lot more clear headed.
Autodidact-Sanchez 10y ago
Thank you for taking the time to share.
I abstained from masturbation for 3 months last year (I conduct a variety of experiments with my lifestyle) and I must say, there were times where I was definitely challenged. However, after only one week of nil masturbation, something interesting happened...
I was having a night out with some friends at a local karaoke bar and I must have been subconsciously sexually-charged because everything (i.e. singing, bantering, eye-contact with women, approaching women) seemed EFFORTLESS. One girl that I had only been talking to for about 5 minutes asked me to come to her after-party. Upon arrival, I decided to tell her about my experiment, to which she looked at me with disbelief. I walked away to talk to her male friend...She pushes him aside, makes out with me and whispers, "Get into my room, wait for me there because I'm getting naked". We had sex, I left without knowing her name. Before I leave, she tells me "I can't believe you have the control to not masturbate. You've been turning me on from the moment I saw you."
That's enough evidence for me to try this again.
TomSachs 10y ago
Watch this Ted talk on dopamine addiction. https://m.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_263672&feature=iv&v=wSF82AwSDiU&src_vid=zif0_60b3WU
symko 10y ago
So validation for women is healthy? Tell that to the women who are frantically texting and driving everywhere they go, or the ones that are constantly on their cells even with court side seats at the NBA Finals. They are tuned out and that's not healthy.
I won't judge a man for releasing some stress through porn. I get that. The time to start worrying is when you're relieving that stress at your job in a bathroom stall.
All men should be treated like responsible adults. You know if you have a problem or not. This NoFap tactic is like a pharmaceutical commercial.
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jkonrad 10y ago
All of this is about not jerking off so much? You seem obsessed by this, did you have issues with masturbation before?
alreadyredschool 10y ago
Every time I decide not to masturbate my will power and discipline muscles grow a bit. And after 5 days abstinence I manage to cum within 5 minutes and can put in another round, or last time I directly came a second time while the post cumming blow job. This was unthinkable at the start of my LTR, I lasted for 3 hours. I always had to finish myself.
And the feeling you get after sex is awesome, the feeling after masturbation sucks.
I think porn is worse than masturbation, and without a way to relief yourself like some plates or a GF you better do it yourself sometimes before you go crazy.
ankit0912 10y ago
The hardest part is to overcome the cravings. Your brain has the information that to satisfy itself sexually, it needs to put a hand on the penis. This is even more dangerous when you're a virgin since your brain doesn't have any other outlet for seeking pleasure
For me the PAT is 7 days and is generally characterized by low libido, low dominance and mental sluggishness. A word on scarcity and the self-entitled Indian bitches you encounter- In a world where scarcity holds the power, the Indian females have got the best of the lot. With less females per males the value of a 6's pussy is grossly overrated.
mrgogo1 10y ago
Masturbation keeps your sex organs working in good condition. Which ever fucking idiots keep pushing the idea not to ejaculate on a regular basis is a moron.
Many studies have proven the direct correlation between prostate cancer and lack of sexual activity in males. So this no-fap garbage is simply going to assist men to get prostate cancer.
Yes i do have a masters in Medical imaging and specialising in MRI pathology imaging prior to anybody getting smart ass and saying im not a doctor.
Im not saying this to be clever or gain points, i just dont want any bro's at increased cancer risk. I dont want anyone having the suffering that goes with it.
Lashlarue123 10y ago
This is dumb. You could die tomorrow and not orgasm today. If I'm always approaching, I'm doing my job and I'll jerk off if I feel like it.
JumpXVI 10y ago
If you ever feel like jacking off after your endless approaches, you're not doing a very good job.
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skipaBturner 10y ago
just curious, but can someone comment on the whole 'having a bat before having sex' thing so that you can last longer. I always thought it helped because if my balls were blue then i'd bust a nut way too quickly in bed
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JumpXVI 10y ago
Great follow-up. I want to highlight one specific part:
By far the most important takeaway from this Power of Horny series. And as this series applies more to men who aren't successfully spinning multiple plates with very little effort (less "hungry"), or men who aren't in sexually-satisfying LTRs, I want to address a potential conundrum.
You may think this presents a rather uncomfortable Catch-22: When and how exactly am I supposed to get sexual release if I don't have a GF, and am hitting a bit of a rough patch with would-be plates? I'm not sure if OmLaLa was planning to delve into further detail in this character-limit–truncated Part 2, but since it's essential to know how to strategically tackle the "no porn and no masturbation" recommended, I figured I'd offer my take.
"Regulated" masturbation is essentially ballooning and edging, performed with a reasonable frequency and without a "death grip" that actually makes it difficult to enjoy realistic sexual stimulation from your girl.
Edging allows you to release while being in control and aware of the different levels of sexual stimuation all the way through climax, and ballooning is simply edging without climaxing.
Ballooning specifically has been proven increase your "horny" by incresing your libido, erectile quality and even flaccid size afterward, and I recommend it highly. Edging is still very useful, especially since a man still needs release from time to time, but definitely try ballooning during "dry spells" as well. All of this should, of course, be done without the dopamine-charged aid of porn for full effect.
FaustoRMD 10y ago
Ballooning is recommended in some tao books. Can you provide your results with it? It is better than abstinence? Thank you.
JumpXVI 10y ago
Sure. My LTR is long distance, so when I visit, you know what's going down. Obviously, abstaining from ejaculating is a good idea for several days prior to keep libido high, but I wanted an even more effective solution.
So I tried ballooning for three sessions, a week prior to my New Year's visit. The first seven days prior, the second five days, and the final one just two days before I left. Throughout that week, I sprouted several truly random boners—like, "I'm watching basketball or reading in bed lol what is this" random. And these boners did not go away for a good 10-15 minutes, with absolutely no mental, visual, or physical assistance.
I just kinda smirked and shrugged, never really wanting them subside anyway, and amazed at the immediate positive effects of ballooning. I'm in my 30s, and the days of random boners are less common than they were 15 years ago, but even those rarely persisted for more than five minutes.
The results? As amazing as the ballooning effects suggested. I tend to take longer to climax than most guys, especially from penis in vagina (PIV) sex, which is a further reason I looked into ways of maximizing libido. But in 3½ days, I successfully came through PIV sex 7-of-7 times, with a condom, only failing on the very last session just hours before I had to head back home (she finished me with her hand).
I was elated, as you can imagine, since during the summer with her, before the effects of noporn had truly taken effect, I was only climaxing about 60% of the time during PIV sex. Granted, she was actually living with me, and sometimes we would fuck six times a week so I didn't beat myself up for not finishing inside my horny gf every single time. I mean, come on, #firstworldproblems much?
But during the visit one time after a shower, I removed my towel while she was sitting on the bed. I threw it at her playfully and she giggled and threw it back...such situations arouse me very easily, so you can guess how obvious that was to her in a few seconds. What struck me though, as I was standing there, is what she said to me as she gazed: "Now that is a boner..." Keep in mind that this is a girl who woke up next to that boner every day for three months. A girl you've already fucked dozens of times doesn't just say that to flatter you.
Anyway, Delayed Ejaculation (DE) is much less problematic than the PE that's on the other end of the ED spectrum, and condoms blow, but I still felt I could do something about it, and ballooning + noporn absolutely made all the difference in the world. Abstinence itself is effective, but I'm convinced that ballooning is an even better strategic way of increasing libido and erection quality (EQ).
OmLaLa 10y ago
This is the first I've heard of these techniques but I must admit I'm intrigued. I'll definitely be delving deeper into these before I complete Part 3. Thank you for your insight.
JumpXVI 10y ago
Thank you for giving this topic such a well-written look. I'm actually excited (and relieved) that I didn't step on your toes and that you indeed have a totally different definition/application of "regulated" here.
beerthroway 10y ago
Dude, thank you so much for this. I've tried nofap/noporn before and I had the same result each time:
Days 1-3 a bit more horny than usual
Days 3-7 depression, lethargic, needing dopamine, still horny.
Days 7-14 fucking amazing, high productivity, clear headed, aggressive, testosterone filled.
Beyond that long it's not as consistent so I'll stop there.
However, since omlala posted part 1, I decided I at least needed to do noporn and find a way to make it long term. So far one week in and this time I have no libido. None. It sucks. I really need it cause I'm moving to 5 days/week lifting + fasted cardio. I was hoping for that horny drive again.
I'm gonna incorporate this stuff into my meditations and I think it'll work.
An upvote wouldn't have done this justice. Great contribution.
JumpXVI 10y ago
Don't mention it, man. Discovering these things has been just as helpful in my life as has been discovering the red pill, so I'd be selfish to not share them given such an opportunity.
And fwiw I virtually never even masturbated more than three times a week, so it wasn't like I was some drastic case of overmasturbation -> zero sensitivity/libido ever...just less than I would have liked during actual sex. But trying noporn and ballooning helped a ton more than I would have imagined.
cmiovino 10y ago
Chiming in here on the porn issue.
I've done the NoFap 'crap' and there are truths to it. The 'superpowers' are real, to an extent. They're not magic, but since you're not spending time fapping away your life, you're actually living, improving, and focused on what you should be.... aka, mini-TRP for those who are not awaken.
If NoFap was your subconscious mind, TRP would be your conscious mind.
Women will start seeing you differently. Commenting on you. Looking at you. etc... Why? You're doing your own damn thing.
If you have an anxiety issues, most should resolve themselves after about 2-3 weeks. No more red faces or getting embarrassed. No more issues striking up conversation. No more issues expressing yourself. I don't have a scientific explanation for this one. It probably relates to how you relate and associate real people (both men and women) with the pixels of fucking you've seen and distorts your view of real life.
Focus, clarity of mind, and more energy are all real. Probably from increased testosterone. Basically, your body knows it's not spreading it's seed, so it needs to work. It improves, you improve, you can then have a better shot at reproducing. If you masturbate, your body thinks you reproduced, therefore it just chills and conserves energy.
Where you don't want to fall into a trap is associating sexuality with being 'bad'. This is wrong and why NoFap can get a bad name. You'll see many on there going 'hardmode' forever, not transitioning or participating in any sexual sense with real people. You're then associating in your mind any sexual intent with 'bad'. This can also fuck up your mind.
You need to re-associate sexuality with real women, not pixels or even mind fantasies. In total, this usually takes about 90 days - science behind it, google it.
*A good indication of an issue is masturbating daily, especially in order to sleep. Or when your bored. Or when you should be working out. Or when you should be out socializing.
dongpal 10y ago
I also dont really feel shame anymore or cringe at things. on nofap I did the most crazy stuff and I didnt give a fuck. its like a cheat
Futdashukup 10y ago
This is why people kill strangers with assault weapons.
traveling_morgue 10y ago
Further reading: Think and Grow Rich, Chapter 11: Sex Transmutation.
tomysotomayorfuxboys 10y ago
No fap is a shitty idea. If you're desperate for sex, you give women the advantage, just like a desperate buyer at a used car lot, you're going to be overcharged. Stop fapping after you have secured a reliable source of regular pussy, not before.
BramRhodesDouglas 10y ago
May I get a link to part 1?
OmLaLa 10y ago
Browse my previous posts or search "The Power of Horny" Part 1. I don't believe I'm able to link reddit posts within TRP.
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Senderious 10y ago
Great essay, looking forward to the next part. I guess I'm not the only one who feels more confident after abstaining from masturbation..
JohnGalt316 10y ago
a few points
sex will never become a want for men. it will always be a need.
masturbate to make good decisions. sometimes the thirst is too real and you need to fap to clear your head. who here has contemplated driving an hour or more for sex? who here has tried to chase and play the game right before an important life event? masturbating clears your mind so you can make good decisions with your life.
RedHeimdall 10y ago
Yeah OP's message might be good for a porn-addicted teenage compulsive masturbator, in which case sure you need to give it a rest. Just like if you're a raging alcoholic, you have a problem. But most people who drink are not alcoholics. I would assume most people who masturbate to porn (tens of millions of people) are not porn-o-holics.
I am not nor will I ever be addicted to porn or masturbation. I jerk off occasionally for fun and to let off some steam, just like I drink occasionally for fun and to let off some steam. In both cases, with porn or with alcohol, yes you should take an honest and objective look in the mirror, but if you don't have a problem there's no need to go all Puritan.
thisisjadaho 10y ago
I've always agreed with the mentality of NoFap, where masturbating can be seen as harmful. However, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Masturbating to control yourself (so you don't become sexually starved) is the best route.
Finding that perfect balance is the trick.
Good post, brother.
OmLaLa 10y ago
I'm amazed at how many people even reject the notion of controlled masturbation. You can lead a horse to water, I suppose.
Thank you for your support, fellow RPer. I have many more posts to come.
CQC3 10y ago
I'm a bit relieved with the idea of PAT.
When I was a teenager I'd masturbate 1-2 times a day, going more than one day without was considered long to me. As I grew older I realized on my own that I should learn to cut back just out of principle of not becoming too attached to anything/showing some will power to myself.
Eventually I decided the concept of porn was actually kind of fucking weird but more than that I actually got better releases the odd times NOT watching porn.
Even back when I was once a day there was a desensitization brought on by it that contributed to a sort of depression, holding back even a day made me feel loaded and there is a pleasure in that as well, a visceral sense of feeling alive and more well rounded in my humanity.
The loaded gun analogy is definitely spot on, because I've been operating under that pretense for the better part of a year now, and it seems we've come to find the same conclusions.
I can manage to go about two weeks without masturbating and I feel pretty good all around. When I do slip up I get upset at myself for A) lacking control, and B) I hate restarting the cycle because I know I'm at my best about 1-2 weeks in.
Interestingly enough after 2 weeks I am not out to fuck anything out of craziness as you said you are, but rather I experience a reversion and suppression of sexual instinct where the mind takes too much control over the body and the body submerges my lust for a time until it is reawakened. This actually makes me feel more sluggish and maligned similar to how you feel when you masturbate too much.
A good 2 week build up would help a lot of people, just remember that this charge up period is not relevant to release from sex. Release from sex is different than self relief in terms of effect. You don't need to charge up for 2 weeks to have sex, but you should be giving yourself 2 weeks between jerking off.
This is why I think nofap is bullshit, going 80 days without fapping is undoubtedly worse for you than fapping once every 1-2 weeks, jerking off regularly is good for your prostate health, or so I hear. I know when I was 13 my prostate must have been in the best shape it will ever have been.
metalhead4 10y ago
I jerk it 1-2x a week. Haven't been laid in 2 months though. I guess things could be worse.
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jx234 10y ago
Unless cum is shooting out of your rod when you're sleeping after 2-5 days, you don't have it.
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capt_behindsight 10y ago
Very thorough analysis. The main reason I endulge in PMO is because I believe it desensitizes me so I can last longer with my gf. We have both come to expect 30-40 min sessions, and even if I jack it right before, I can't last. I've tried nofap, but they won't field my question. Any advice?
zxsteven 10y ago
“She may hang around those guys, but that’s only because she hasn’t met me yet”.
Everyone needs to get to this point.
Heizenbrg 10y ago
I cum so much faster with porn then during any sexual activity, it's infuriating.
Copenhagen23 10y ago
That doesn't sound like a bad thing. I think a lot of guys are watching porn for 1+ hours holding off orgasm as long as possible, and as a result it causes them to take forever to orgasm during sex.
Heizenbrg 10y ago
That's...longer then watching a TV show. Taking it to a whole other level then a simple 5 minute release.
MyReddit4 10y ago
It seems the first half of this can be simplified and reframed to an economic point of view.
Women's validation addiction increases and inflates the perceived value. Prude or slut, her ego is the storefront and her pussy is the product. Ego thinks customers lined up around the block, business is great and my product must be oh-so-special.
On the other hand - Addiction to Jacking It, while momentarily serving a need for sex/release, over the long term further inflates the value of Pussy Product - hence, ego stock is always a bull market.
TLDR: Internetz Validation inflates female value and encourages addiction and complacency, while masturbation further inflates this, rather than serving a release. Both scenarios are devoid of healthy balance.
futureharmony 10y ago
Serious question: what are your thoughts on watching porn without masturbating, but using that triggered arousal to work out?
Slippery slope maybe? Self control challenge: Hard Mode
southpawshuffle 10y ago
i think we should avoid porn at all costs. it desensitizes us to the image of a real women.
itmustbeitalian 10y ago
I've been wondering....if you are simply looking at pictures of hot naked chicks, not fake looking ones, how is that desensitizing you to "real women"? After all aren't they real women too?
How exactly does this mess with our expectations in real life? Are we not supposed to expect our women to stay in shape and "sexy"? Asking these questions for discussion.
miran88 10y ago
I think it must have a lot to do with what kind of porn are you watching. My teenage self had a lot worse and unnatural taste for female body than me in my twenties. It was all about enormous boobs, blond hair, ridiculously dark tan. I can’t even look at that shit anymore. It’s almost as if the fakeness grossed me out and I get turned on much more by a more natural, low-makeup, slimmer body. Now it’s all about the face and the eyes.
Polaris382 10y ago
This is a good one, and I think quite a bit better than the first. Definitely brought up some points that gave me some things to ponder.
OmLaLa 10y ago
I would like to grow more as a writer, so I've taken up some reading on the topic. Thank you for noticing and I appreciate your support.
TheDatabasedGod 10y ago
How does release through sex play into this? I understand why abstaining from masterbation helps but what if you are the type of person who likes to fuck every other day or so?
JumpXVI 10y ago
This is a great question. Not consuming porn helps to get your mind off of the dopamine-charged setting that the bevy of ridiculously saturated and instantly available sexual images and videos can drown your brain in. Actual sexual intercourse cannot mirror the long exposure to these extremely erotic images, even if you always fuck just as long as you would have fapped to porn (which is unlikely).
The reality of a genuine sexual setting will not sap your "power of honry". You should consider a "full reboot" (no porn, no masturbation, no orgasm) if you are actually having problems enjoying sex with your SO/plates, or, as OmLaLa warns, the porn actually makes you more complacent towards having real sex. But I doubt this is a problem for "the type of person who likes to fuck every other day or so", unless his SO actually wants to fuck every day or twice a day or whatever.
Purecorrupt 10y ago
I'm assuming this isn't directed at men who already have plates/Fuckbuddies/ltrs.
derex 10y ago
Release through sex with one girl also creates complacency, but the result is a monogamous relationship. You are much less likely to cheat on a woman that constantly drains your balls, simply because you have no bullets to shoot at another woman.
JumpXVI 10y ago
I would argue that her firing those bullets for you endears you to her more than having so few bullets makes you complacent.
Those who spin multiple plates successfully keep spinning those multiple plates because they know that if Amy is busy tonight, that's cool, cause Becky or Carlie are probably down for some sex. If they felt the drain of complacency from having had sex each of the last three nights or whatever, they wouldn't feel the need to text Becky or Carlie or even Amy that night.
OmLaLa 10y ago
I agree. The monogamous relationship is basically a societal version of Stockholm Syndrome.
RPJapan 10y ago
Been waiting for this all week!
I'm testing my PAT with a DTF HB5 at work. Will report back on results.
LC2775 10y ago
Masturbation is terrible. And not for the reasons most people talk about (gives you low confidence, low t, whatever...). Masturbation diminishes your sensibility. I had to discover this the hard way. When I was fucking a chick with a condom, I felt nothing. Absolutely nothing. She was drowning in pleasure and I was like: "wtf?! I can't feel anything. This is boring as fuck". And since I tend not to fuck without a rubber (especially this girl since I fucked her 30min after knowing her) I started googling. Turns out my years of masturbation (about 7) took a toll on my sensitivity. For 7 years I'd fap atleast once per day. Now I joined nofap and I'm on day 13. I hope this gets cured fast...
miran88 10y ago
You should go see a doctor too, not just google.
LC2775 10y ago
Nah man It's slowly getting better. I had the "death grip syndrome". I'm noticing my sensitivity is coming back. For example, every time I fucked without a condom it was great, but with the rubber it felt like nothing. After 14 days of nofap I can already feel more.
Rhunta 10y ago
I can go 6 months without fapping. But than I am really thinking about releasing all the time.
derex 10y ago
If you are high SMV its hard to stay sexually starved anyway, there will always be a potential girl that wants to fuck you. If you are low SMV, then sexual hunger will lower your standards to fuck even lower SMV girls until you improve yourself.
tomysotomayorfuxboys 10y ago
I don't agree with this. No fapping will make you hornier (more desperate). But that can lead to wasting time, money, and other resources on low quality women. I'd rather fap it up, and save my resources for quality than waste on low quality immediate gratification.
Advising men not to masturbate is like advising people not to eat food, because if they become desperate enough they'll be forced to eat food out of dumpsters, dead rats from alleys, and grass.
dongpal 10y ago
wow you didnt even read the text idiot