Read this on wikipedia today, found it thought provoking:
"The Catholic Church disapproves of masturbation. Thomas Aquinas, ... wrote that masturbation was an 'unnatural vice' ... 'By procuring pollution [i.e., ejaculation apart from intercourse], without any copulation, for the sake of venereal pleasure [...] pertains to the sin of 'uncleanness' which some call 'effeminacy' [Latin: mollitiem, lit. 'softness, unmanliness'].'"
Also,
"During the Middle Ages, prostitution was commonly found in urban contexts. Although all forms of sexual activity outside of marriage were regarded as sinful by the Roman Catholic Church, prostitution was tolerated because it was held to prevent the greater evils of rape, sodomy, and masturbation (McCall, 1979)."
There have been many discussions on this sub regarding the apparent similarities between Red Pill truths and Biblical truths. I contend that marriage may not have been such a risky engagement for men during the Middle Ages (although, admittedly, I know very little about society in the Middle Ages). Regardless, it's interesting that the Catholic Church, which initially forbade prostitution, eventually changed its mind and basically said, no, hang on, masturbating is worse than seeing a prostitute.
Thomas Aquinas referred to masturbation as somehow being spiritually linked to effeminacy, softness, unmanliness. And, how fascinating is it that many people here on this sub have discovered that, through nofap (aka no-sinning, haha), what happens? Greater mental focus, more energy, deeper voice, etc etc. It's been said already on this sub, but this stuff is not new at all! Even the Catholic Church writers were writing in their own reddit forum (see Catechism) about true masculinity and male sexuality.
Additionally, if you look up other major religions (e.g. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc), they all have a particular point of view. Most of them, though, tend to forbid masturbation. (Interestingly, Hinduism doesn't seem to have any problem with masturbating, but they do tend to forbid violence against animals, and therefore most Indians are vegetarian).
Disciple_of_Libertas 8y ago
Aquinas was pretty cool. However, Middle Ages men did not really have to worry about divorce rape because well you couldn't get a divorce as a Catholic, only royals could get marriages annulled for various reasons. If a woman left her husband in the Middle Age she would go into prostitution, get raped and murdered if she decided to travel alone on the road by bandits and mercenaries, or just starve and die quite simply. There was no big Daddy government to take care of her if she decided to go it alone.
CQC3 8y ago
Aquinas also didn't live in an age of hyper sexual stimulation like we do. Makes a difference, we see more sexualized images in a week than these dudes saw in their lives. Counting out porn, even in the various forms of media it's all pretty much there--comparatively speaking.
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"Thomas Aquinas referred to masturbation as somehow being spiritually linked to effeminacy, softness, unmanliness. And, how fascinating is it that many people here on this sub have discovered that, through nofap (aka no-sinning, haha), what happens? Greater mental focus, more energy, deeper voice, etc etc."
Except NoFap's pseudoscientific bullshit
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
Anon241469 8y ago
Let's use common sense, shall we?
Which one will result in a man having more penis-in-vagina intercourse with women: A. The man compulsively masturbates so frequently that, immediately after the completion of each and every refractory period, he masturbates until his next orgasm, or B. The man does not masturbate until he has penis-in-vagina sex with a woman (or dies)?
(OP was not about science, and made no scientific claims)
[deleted] 8y ago
"Let's use common sense, shall we?"
Common sense should tell you that believing in a meme or that nofap does any or what it claims is stupid.
"Which one will result in a man having more penis-in-vagina intercourse with women: A. The man compulsively masturbates so frequently that, immediately after the completion of each and every refractory period, he masturbates until his next orgasm, or B. The man does not masturbate until he has penis-in-vagina sex with a woman (or dies)?"
Or you can fap while also going out for/having sex. You can fap repeatedly and also have sex, while not running the risk of having increased chances prostate cancer, limp dick and low test. It isn't just A or B.
"(OP was not about science, and made no scientific claims)"
"masturbation as somehow being spiritually linked to effeminacy, softness, unmanliness. And, how fascinating is it that many people here on this sub have discovered that, through nofap (aka no-sinning, haha), what happens? Greater mental focus, more energy, deeper voice, etc etc."
Op made the same debunked claims that's been said to be caused by fapping.
Anon241469 8y ago
"Or you can fap while also going out for/having sex."
Public masturbation is illegal. Technically you're right, you can go out and jerk off while hitting on girls. But, I wouldn't advise it. That's pretty weird.
"You can fap repeatedly and also have sex"
Yes, technically you can masturbate while your penis is inside a woman's vagina during intercourse.
"Op made the same debunked claims that's been said to be caused by fapping."
Wrong. OP claimed that Thomas Aquinas claimed that jerking off causes effeminacy, softness, etc. etc.. OP then made a rhetorical question about the experiences that people have during an extended period of abstinence. OP made no scientific claims.
[deleted] 8y ago
"Public masturbation is illegal. Technically you're right, you can go out and jerk off while hitting on girls. But, I wouldn't advise it. That's pretty weird."
Stop arguing sematics. You know what I meant. I'll give a better explanation though. You can (and should) fap when you're otherwise not having sex. Do both as much as possible.
"Yes, technically you can masturbate while your penis is inside a woman's vagina during intercourse."
And technically you can still argue semantics.
"Wrong. OP claimed that Thomas Aquinas claimed that jerking off causes effeminacy, softness, etc. etc.. OP then made a rhetorical question about the experiences that people have during an extended period of abstinence. OP made no scientific claims."
No, right. Because those claims are, as I stated, the same ones not only said to be caused by fapping but also the same ones no fap claims will happen if you don't jack it. And both of those are not true. And if OP made no scientific claims, why do those who believe no fap claim all of that "will" happen if you do nofap? Moreover why do they even try to still use that debunked 'scientific" China Study?
"OP made no scientific claims."
And what would you call these.
"Greater mental focus, more energy, deeper voice, etc etc."
These are still, as I stated, claims. And whether they're scientific or not they still claims actual science says do not happen.
rigbed 8y ago
Religion may be blue pill, but discovering redpill has made me see the truth in everything I've ever read. I always felt conflicted as a Christian with the bible beginning with blaming women for mankinds ills, but I see now that that is only a small example of how accurate the bible is. Granted, monks aren't really the authority on women but they nailed it anyway.
Battle-Scars 8y ago
The Catholic Church, like all religions except for maybe Buddhism is full of hypocrisy and people gravitate to them so they don't have to think for themselves. IMHO
Disciple_of_Libertas 8y ago
You're not wrong, I'm a Catholic myself but I can see it for what it is. I like Buddhism and Stoicism a lot and I think they make more sense. However, in still hanging onto the fact a greater power set this all in motion. I guess I'm a Deist? Bleh religion
alpha_n3rd 8y ago
I like to call us "cultural catholics"
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Disciple_of_Libertas 8y ago
Interesting you'd say though i don't think that role is filled by Christianity anymore in the Western world. I think it has been replaced with the religion of social justice (just look at how they act when you disagree, modern day inquisitors) and soon Islam if the sjws are allowed to keep importing more Muslim refugees.
RedDeadCred 8y ago
Religion is there to provide values and morals. Certain values are shared by all the major religions of powerful nations, like marriage and group prayer. These things form strong communities. That's the purpose, and that's a reason why the powers that be are pushing atheism and hedonism so heavily these days - to break down social cohesion, marriage, and the values that bind us into a strong community. Waking up to religions flaws is the first step in opening your eyes, and waking up to its value is the next step.
Battle-Scars 8y ago
Any institution that actively protects child molesters, like the Catholic Church, knows nothing about values and morals. Some of the most hypocritical people I've seen are "Christians" who cheat on their spouses, their taxes, and their fellow man then hide behind their religious arrogance to justify their actions.
alpha_n3rd 8y ago
bingo. religion offers nothing that can't be found through secular philosophy, e.g. humanism, rationalism, stoicism, etc. Well, it offers institutional power.
Conceited-Monkey 8y ago
Anyone who is nostalgic about the middle ages really needs to read a book or two. Anyhow, if you are looking for help in sexual matters from the church, you probably have bigger issues.
alpha_n3rd 8y ago
cue the 'god and king' neoreactionaries...
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kempff 8y ago
This ain't our first time at the rodeo.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Not whacking it only benefits those guys who have a problem. Usually it stems from guilt brought about by religious indoctrination, and they can't control themselves. Shit, the two places that use the most porn are Utah and the bible belt, kinda tells you something. Not that I expect the religiously deluded to see the correlation, because hamsters are spinning cross shaped wheels just as fast as any girl's energetic rodent van manage.
Yeah, if you have a problem and your tool is calloused, fucking stop and go get some pussy. This drivel about getting super powers is nothing more than confirmation bias. Everyone jerks off, if they claim they don't they're lying. Yeah you can have a problem, and usually it's because it's being repressed with the attendant guilt. The indoctrination is working on you guys, and that means you're easier to control. Making you feel guilty about something completely natural is nothing more than a tool to control you.
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http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html