What does it mean to be Alpha? It means a plethora of different things. Different things that all achieve the same end product. The Alpha male is not defined by a few qualities, but an amalgamation of many things that he has bestowed upon himself throughout years of living for himself. However, most of these qualities are very personal and based on his individual experience. Things that are usually very particular to this certain individual. Many times, they are impossible to describe, as they meld together and are liquid, never taking shape. You look at a true alpha male and you don’t know why he is. You might be able to pick out certain qualities about him that surely point in that direction but there is no concrete reason. He has many things. Many more than you. You cannot pinpoint an explicit reason you follow him.
This brings us to the masculine physique: Is this Alpha ripped? Is he utterly and completely physically imposing? Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t.
This brings up the question: Is lifting necessarily the most important path to Alphahood? The answer is yes. Yes it is.
Why is lifting a cornerstone for us all? Does it weigh more than other Alpha qualities? Not necessarily. The immense power of lifting isn’t in its quality, but it’s quantity. Its universal power among every single male on this planet is what makes it the epitome of the Alpha male. No matter where you are in your journey, it will indefinitely increase your value. I don’t care if you are Regar Sabertooth who legally changed his name to his WOW character 5 years ago before putting on a subtle 200lbs, or Donald mother fucking Trump, both of them will achieve the same number of “alpha points” by lifting heavy iron. That is why we promote lifting. It’s not special, it’s the only thing that has the same effect on all of us. The only thing that in all cases, is Alpha as fuck.
Hit the gym. It's the only thing here that has no excuse. It's the only thing here that isn't up for interpretation. It's the only thing you beta cunts can't get away with crying about in your pitiful hamstering comments.
Metalgear222 7y ago
“No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.” - Socrates
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I remember I used to run and do some workouts on the beach, squat and throw heavy rocks etc. One time a couple of older ladies were walking by kind of in awe (I was pretty ripped) and they asked me, what are you training for? I basically just said something along the lines of, "Just training for life" , as I believe its the duty of every man to be as fit and strong as he can be.
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Metalgear222 7y ago
Excellent thought. And when they are closeted pedestalizing, they will never succeed long term. It has to be from within; righteously.
landon042 7y ago
even hundreds and hundreds of years ago, the greeks knew what women wanted
and we're suppost to be the advanced civilization, but over half our population is obese or skinny fat. or just skinny. but skinny is better than skinny fat and obese because atleast youll have a decent face.
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Archibald_Andino 7y ago
Ironically, the female equivalent of this can be bought quite easily.
Take an average looking female with small, droopy, disgusting breasts. This same woman goes to a great plastic surgeon and now has glorious, perfect, porn star, super sexy looking tits. Her market value skyrockets.
The male version of this, having your SMV skyrocket with everything else being equal, is to get jacked muscle wise.
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yaardi 7y ago
What about juicing? It still requires training and discipline, but isn't that a shortcut?
NakedAndBehindYou 7y ago
Yes, that's why some people call steroid users "cheaters". It's generally reserved for people who use steroids but claim natty.
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NakedAndBehindYou 7y ago
Juicing is the only way to get Arnold big. There's a study where they compared people who lifted weights vs non-lifters, and with or without steroids. The people who used steroids while not lifting actually gained more muscle over a period of months than the people who did lift but didn't take steroids. They're that powerful.
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xinihil 7y ago
Well, you technically don't still have to do anything besides pay for it and go through the process of injection/ingestion. Protein synthesis / hypertrophy from roids and not lifting is greater than natty lifting.
landon042 7y ago
very true. but the thought process is if you're paying for it, mine as well get maximum return .
PawnToKing 7y ago
There are few guys on this sub that are excellent writers who use high level vocabulary in a very nuanced way. Gaylubeoil is one, archwinger is another. Plethora of different things is redundant. Plethora already implies a number of items. Bestowing upon yourself sounds awkward. Bestow in general is a word that's very tricky to use. Nice post, but don't be a high-schooler writing an SAT essay.
SexdictatorLucifer 7y ago
No one ever said Chad had perfect grammar.
veritableill 7y ago
Posts like this is why I come here. I'm homeless, barely enough food, barely get 6hrs of sleep at least for the next 2 weeks when I get my own place. I still use the gym here, it just has a bench machine/ with the extra stuff on it, dip machine, leg press machine, and some cardio stuff. I've lost so much weight since I got out of jail a few weeks ago but yeah I feel the weight loss muscle loss effecting the amount of looks i get from chicks. I keep hamstering out of the need to lift weights, or if its for me. I've got JRA so my joints are pretty shot, i'm cute but in a high school sicilian kidish way. Part of me wants to just focus on swimming and be like Michael Burry from the big short, focus on value investing and just maintain frame without worrying about weightlifting. Honestly I feel healthier after losing probably about 5lbs of muscle. I'm cut as fuck, but I really haven't been fucking at any point in my life. I'm borderline suicidal sometimes because of it, it's the one part of my life I can't figure out. Last night I'm flirting with this girl and she's shit testing me on facebook, I tell her "drinks at 8, local bar" and she says sounds good. I'm thinking she's kidding because she's sending pictures of herself at work. 2 hours later she's posting pictures getting out of the shower, then I wake up to a picture of her sitting at said bar with a pint of beer sitting alone holding her head. This girl I knew in high school, but we've never really done anything. Knowing what you want is so important, and I think what I want is to get into value investing, as attractive as blue collar work might be, I feel my body isn't built for it. My dad was alpha as fuck, you know, masonry type shit, built sicilian, and that makes my mom an alpha widow. I'm thinking of just spending money on prostitutes and abusing the fuck out of them until I'm more confident in my game. I take these anti depressants sometimes to get through the day. My sister married some super rich guy, he wants to pay me to research companies, I just need the slut solution to fuck my way out of this paper bag.. but yeah this place keeps me going, knowing there is strategy, and things to be done. not just accept fate.
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Damn man, sounds like you've been feeling with some rough shit lately. It's good to have some sort of community to help you out. Just remember-bitches will come and go, the only thing you can rely on is yourself.
veritableill 7y ago
Man, having no positive past experiences to draw on saps any type of will to mentally incentivize any type of effort.
Edit: ok one time, I had this shitty apartment, really just a curtained off friends living room. This kid is over with his girlfriend, they're both younger than me making out on the couch in the dark. So I'm coming home from work and walk in, turn on the light, tell them to get out. She comes back the next day and fucks my brains out. Hot girl though.
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this is beautiful. Not really, but damn you're honest as fuck.
veritableill 7y ago
I want to post here and shit but don't feel like I've got much experience. Met a couple chicks, and by chicks I mean value prostitutes who take food stamps being here at least. The quote in machiavellis the prince "fortune is like a woman, you have to beat her to keep her under you"... It's like at least I'm not jaded by too much sex? Trying to keep my anticipation low but, yeah even flirting with chicks right now sucks because we have no place to go. Even talking to this girl on fb, I told her flat out I want to choke the fuk out her, she still wanted to chill? Does this mean she's like not threatened by me?
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i don't have much experience neither. Enough so I believe my existence is to suffer, learn to hate. Because in reality girls are not that special; for some reason the more you hate them the more they are intrigued. At this point I am just trying to look as well as I could so that I could impress, and suffer so that when I actually go live it wont be hard to handle others' sufferings.
reecewagner 7y ago
What even was this story? You're homeless and you're meeting chicks at the bar for drinks?
veritableill 7y ago
Can't share this with anyone, because it sounds so crazy. Think how you want but behave like others. I'm reminding myself of luke skywalker in a new hope where he's yelling at his old relatives about staying on the home stead for another year and he just wants to go fuk. Trying to internalize abundance mentality and focus on weight lifting and just approaching chicks, but without an end in mind "i.e apartment" and it's kind of cold outside for that. I'm overly self conscious about small talk now, and trying to just practice communicating through body language, but I feel like talking is one of my strengths. How aggressive or how much I should tease her, idk.
xinihil 7y ago
Err, he is setting up dates and not showing up. Sounds like a depersonalization disorder almost.
veritableill 7y ago
Mixed feelings definitely, testing the waters to see if she bites? She did. Still trying to get excited for the process and reap the long term rewards of self improvement cycles. Trying to accept the fact that weightlifting might not be healthy for me, trying to to find strengths and earn some type of accumulative advantage.
waltergillis 7y ago
And what if you enjoy cardio rather then lifting weights? I do triathlons as a hobby and meet a ton of cool people through cycling - doctors, lawyers, good looking women. Don't lift weights at all so I guess that makes me a beta.
SexdictatorLucifer 7y ago
It doesn't make you a beta, many qualities decide that. However, lifting will make you less beta no matter who you are.
thingisthink 7y ago
What is the allure of weight lifting? For most, it is looking so strong as to intimidate people to prevent them from assaulting you. But being strong rarely coincides with being able to fight. Being lithe, agile, and having presence of mind will serve you better in a fight than just having huge arms. Meatheads tire quickly. Dodge 2 punches, he is winded, and you strike. He falls.
williesmokes 7y ago
That's a very black and white way of thinking and could get you hurt.
thingisthink 7y ago
I used qualifier words, so not at all black and white.
Combat training has done the opposite of getting me hurt.
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cashmoney_x 7y ago
Thanks, hadn't read this before.
Dmva100 7y ago
Definitely part of being Alpha, but not even close to being the whole thing.
Lifting is important, but is blown out of proportion by many. You only need to be on a good program for roughly a year to get your results. After that you can easily go once a week as long as your diet and lifestyle isn't in the toilet.
Broke my right hand (dominant) and was out of the gym for 3.5 months. Kept my diet extremely clean and drank sparingly, etc. Started back to the gym 9 days ago and I'm still the same size as all the fags that have been in there every day for years. I haven't lost any size and they still look the same. My lifts were only down 20% and now I'm back to my personal bests.
Try it sometime. Take a month or more off from the gym. When you return, if your lifts and size are shit then you need to look at how you live your life and not how you hit the gym. I was one of those brainwashed fucks that thought if you went more than a week without lifting the world would fucking end.
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SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
Meh, can't back this entirely. Not going to act like I'm not an outlier, but lifting never did a damn thing for my confidence or frame or whatever, and I was putting up decent numbers. Talked with a lot of people who have said, too, that lifting is a waste of time if not doing it for a sport.
FTR: My body fat is 17% and I have an all right build for a guy who doesn't lift - 51" shoulders and a 33" waist, so these aren't the words of a fat fuck/skinny fat weakling.
IK this post is going to get zero support, but it's just my own experiences.
LaRedPill 7y ago
If you already have high T and a great body, probably you don't... but then you should also be extremely disciplined, able to face difficult challenges on a weekly basis... if you really think that you only lift iron you don't know shit. Facing the sqat bar when you are over your own weight is scary, it makes you want to avoid the gym, you have to take control of your mind and control of your body. I'ts training for all things alpha.
SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
I guess I just don't see lifting weights as an accomplishment, and would rather develop a real skill instead of mentally masturbate over summat that doesn't really matter.
Again, that's just me and my experiences. I didn't see lifting heavier and heavier weights as a scary thing, just a tedious thing. I also don't see lifting as an end all be all like a lot of the dudes on here that have homoerotic obsessions with the highschool bully archetype. If you get something out of lifting, then cool. That's you, but it isn't dogma.
xinihil 7y ago
I know what you mean. I feel a similar disconnect from lifting, interpersonal relationships, and most hobbies, despite being an elite powerlifter before reaching adulthood and competing fairly frequently.
If you're anything like me, and it seems so, pathos really doesn't tend to hit you the same way as other people. When people personify such mundane activities as lifting, doing manual labor, following a routine, even if you understand the intention behind that personification you cannot see anything but for what it is materialistically. I can't relate to anything. It's just moving my body around all day and feeling the anxieties, pleasure, anger pass by. It's not really nihilism; I think there's inherent meaning in existing, I want to have a good time and feel safe and a sense of belonging, which I do feel often when I have my house in order so to speak, but I can't help but feel a fundamental disconnect from the world that other people are in. It's like the blues and greens I see are everyone else's reds and yellows. I feel a sense of distorted solipsism, like I'm a ghost walking around in a world where I can read social markers among others but cannot understand how they relate to myself.
I feel as though I'm operating as a chaotic assemblage of moving parts. Hofstadter writes of the Self symbol being that which allows humans to experience "consciousness" as we so romantically like to think of it, and also of its function as another first-class symbol and the implications of recursion which that brings: If there is a symbol for the self, then as soon as one considers the fact that there is such a symbol then a symbol for the self symbol must have formed and he begins to be able to use that abstraction in thought ("Damn this salmon is good" ['salmon' symbol and pleasure centers activating subconsciously] -> "There is a neural pathway firing in my brain that represents my appreciation for salmon" [self symbol activating consciously] -> "My self symbol is currently active and observing the activity in other areas of the brain" [self symbol symbol activating consciously]). I don't know, maybe the self symbol is neurologically special (resulting from a certain neuronal 'critical mass' of complexity/density? maybe some biological phenomenon?) but I can't help but think that I must have some weak self symbol and a disproportionately developed self symbol symbol creating a weird bandwidth truncation or deleterious/distortive mutation as information propagates upwards from the rest of brain to the self symbol and then when the self symbol symbol receives the information it's all botched, so to speak (the concept's abstract anyways as the brain is a recurrent neural network and relies a lot on overlapping symbols, temporal coordination, and data persistence/corruption issues and their mitigation so there are a lot of variables and hand-wavy mental models when considering behavior in higher levels of abstraction from the viewpoint of lower-level phenomena).
Drugs and reading nonfiction help me a lot, as I can use the former to unwind and relate to the experiences of others, trying to get a feel for reading social cues in the absence of personal baggage like anxiety, and the latter to gain perspective on the inner monologue of other people and how they internalize information. The meta aspect (and even moreso each successive recursion thereof) of a body of text is more important to me than the material it discusses, because I can emulate that in speech and writing. I feel like I still miss something fundamental to others though, and cognitive dissonance sets in whenever I try to do something significant or build deep relationships with others because of my lack of a clear lens through which to view my identity.
TRP and reading about social dynamics is very helpful for me because I can apply the proverbs learned here to roughly evaluate my interactions with others with a semblance of lucidity.
TL;DR: Polar opposite of solipsism; I feel like my identity is completely unknowable to me and struggle to approximate any characteristics of it so basic menial bits of life seem oddly sobering and painful/pointless despite being able to drive myself relentlessly towards any goal set.
TL;DRTOTL;DR: I got u fam
Buchloe 7y ago
It is useful and practical to be strong. It benefits your health, your sense of wellbeing, your prospects for women, and your ability to perform manual work.
LaRedPill 7y ago
It is dogma, you either become alpha by yourself or you force yourself to be as close as a natural as you can, and lifting is necesary for that. Maybe you are alpha but if so, what the fuck are you doing here?.
As I say to plugged guys all the time, I cannot explain to you how important it is unless you live the changes, i'ts like explaining how sex feels like to someone who never fucked.
SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
I'm not trying to talk anybody out of lifting, dude.
Fair enough; I understand what you mean. I guess I mistook this place as a gathering of different perspectives, when it's really more of a beta-male support group.
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Elesh 7y ago
You learn best by teaching; Everyone needs to start somewhere. It's a symbiotic relationship.
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SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
I haven't stated otherwise.
LaRedPill 7y ago
Nah, the thing is, yeah i was slicing pussy before the red pill, but getting bigger certainly made more visible, for both sexes and all ages.
It changes, too, the initial interaction, it gets easier, so much easier that it becomes fucking mandatory to lift.
I know guys who went from fucking whales to have threesomes every time he fancies.
SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
Yeah, I know that, that's why I'm not here saying lifting is objectively bogus and everyone should stop. I've just seen first hand that you don't need an insane physique to pull, and that you can achieve the same effect from other physical activity.
This coming from a guy whose body isn't that impressive: 51" shoulders, 33" waist, prob 17% body fat. I've had more than my fair share of women throwing themselves at me, wanting to cheat on their boyfriends, trying to establish a branch to swing to, etc.
My post was more just to offer a different perspective, for those who don't care at all about body comp past being sub 16%.
LaRedPill 7y ago
Unless you are a natty, 99% of the people coming here are above 20%bf, you should edit your post and add that info, clears up a lot.
Still, the rest of my point stands, unless you had a life of endurance (which most people didn't) the easiest, fastest way of getting challenges is to lift.
throwaway-chemist 7y ago
Wait until you have a 1500 total, 200lbs at 10% bf and tell me if you still feel that way.
SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
I would, because no matter how much weight I'm lifting I'm still doing nothing but lifting a bar off the ground.
I also don't have body dysmorphia, so I'd rather not be 200 @ 10.
throwaway-chemist 7y ago
I dunno man. If you can deadlift 700 lbs you can deadlift a piano; that's practical strength.
Body dysmorphia or not, I'm pretty sure being big and lean improves your SMV maybe a little. http://2damnfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Dat-Lip-Bite-On-Reporter-Interviewing-Some-Bodybuilding-Competititon-Winner.gif
SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that everyone on this sub should just give up lifting because I'm not into it. I even prefaced what I said with I'm an outlier, and I'm not going to sit here and pretend like lifting doesn't help out guys, but I've had too much experience getting attention despite my slightly above-average physique, and seeing my average bodied buddies fucking girls who go solely for juicers to pretend that lifting is the end all be all.
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EpicLevelCheater 7y ago
No one cares about your middle school flame war. Both your asses are going into time out until you learn to speak with civility.
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Redbeam100 7y ago
Are you guys serious? Lol wtf are yall doing here. Getting all back and forth like females. That's bitch behavior.
chris_sydney 7y ago
It also matters what you're doing there. Cardio doesn't do much. Crossfit is too injury prone and bad in long run. Bodybuilding is nice but only for showing off. HIIT is for testosterone. God tier is strongman and powerlifting. I personally go for strongman.
How about dem apples? Pudzian: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b8/6b/7c/b86b7c91991d8b59457ae31435db45ee.jpg
BoerknTrigger 7y ago
Jesus madafuckin christ. Alpha as fuck. From looks alone, I already know that I WILL NOT challenge his authority.
There's really no bypassing nature's programming. Big and strong = Alpha.
throwaway-chemist 7y ago
Inb4 you're getting downvoted because pussies don't like working hard
chris_sydney 7y ago
I couldn't care less what people in Internet think of me :D
Eastuss 7y ago
I've always been told that muscle mass and strength were kind of independent and that what mattered to look alpha was mainly bodybuilding.
Anyway, what's the difference between crossfit and hiit?
Kabizzle 7y ago
They aren't independent.
Crossfit is a "sport" and hiit is a form of cardio.
chris_sydney 7y ago
HIIT is doing one exercise intensely. Sprinting, rowing, cycling, etc.
Crossfit is doing 20 exercises intensively.
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There is much more research now showing the benefits of easy cardio. In many ways it's better than HIIT.
xinihil 7y ago
"Easy" cardio is more mentally grueling than HIIT. At least when I'm sprinting full-force I can't hear the wretched pleas of the damned in my head for half an hour
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I mean pure aerobic pace. Where you can have a conversation without stopping to take a breath every 2 words
TrenStorm 7y ago
Cardio is the most beneficial form of exercise you can do for your overall health. Also strongman and powerlifting isn't going to get you laid.
xinihil 7y ago
Powerlifting does not necessitate any specific range of fat. It's not as sexy a sport as football, though. You'll be more swole through powerlifting than any other sport besides bodybuilding (obviously) so it kind of definitely has an effect on getting you laid still.
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You are right. Cardio is great for heart, blood-pressure and against cholesterol. It does not do so much for the looks but you should have once a week at-least a good cardio workout.
PawnToKing 7y ago
LISS training is catabolic.if you enjoy it fine, but understand that sprinting or HIIT is the real testosterone driver. It's anabolic.
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You mean girls don't find this sexy?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5sk5Q0dJVns/TXoY9a4j_AI/AAAAAAAAAKE/KTxdltiws7I/s320/Glenn%2BRoss.jpg
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It's because a man like that is the only man who can toss around a 5'10 busty woman, or in other less kind words, a big girl who weighs over 170 lbs.
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That's why I don't fuck girls over 150. I can't pick them up and fuck them without getting tired.
throwaway-chemist 7y ago
Are you joking? Surely you mean sprints / HIIT
TrenStorm 7y ago
No I actually mean LISS cardio to be specific. Sprints/HIIT will burn more calories in a shorter amount of time but they aren't superior in terms of heart health.
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Our bodies were literally made for long distance running. It shouldn't be surprising that our bodies react in positive ways to cardio.
PaulAJK 7y ago
"Our bodies were literally made for long distance running."
Yeah, that's the point about HIIT. It forces the body to do things it isn't really evolved to do, and the stress reaction causes higher calorie burn and increased fitness as a result.
HIIT is a body hack, a cheat sheet, a shortcut.
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Not saying HIIT is unhealthy. It has it's advantages, mainly by burning more calories in a shorter amount of time, if that is your goal, but there is ample evidence that aerobic exercise (sustained heart rate) also improves cognitive function, mood, cardiovascular health, and strengthens bones and joints. I even told my doctor last month during a physical that I lift 3-4 times a week, with light cardio, and his response was, "Do more cardio. It's pretty much universally accepted that it carries with it tons of benefits".
chris_sydney 7y ago
From evolution standpoint of view, we had to run away from danger as fast as we could quite often. That's interval workout.
PaulAJK 7y ago
Yes, but the body prefers steady state cardio.
The__Tren__Train 7y ago
HIIT is for testosterone? Wtf are u talking about?
Cross fit is injury prone, but powerlifting isn't?
Lol
chris_sydney 7y ago
Yes, HIIT boosts testosterone.
Crossfit usually comes with bad form. Powerlifting is lifting heavy but with heavy focus on form. You'll still get injured but way less than in crossfit.
The__Tren__Train 7y ago
No doubt cross fit produces more bumps and bruises, but powerlifting provides far, far more serious injuries.
And lol@ your testosterone comment.. For how often you guys bring up testosterone, you know so little about it, it's comical
Trpimir 7y ago
Crossshit butthurt detected.
The__Tren__Train 7y ago
Not at all.. I train bodybuilding
Cross fit is incredibly dumb. Everyone I've known personally who trained that way got injured. One girl somehow broke her collar bone.
Powerlifting however, is rampant with injuries.. Dave Tate, a former world class lifter with elite totals in 3 different weight classes claims around 20 minor pec tears (2 complete), a torn hamstring, platella, quadricep, at least 5 herniated discs, arthritis in one shoulder, etc.
I understand the bravado behind lifting heavy weight, but every powerlifter I've ever known has been forced into retirement at an early age
Bodybuilding is the superior method. You look strong, are strong, and are far less injury prone
chris_sydney 7y ago
Powerlifting- on top level, yes.
SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
The problem with powerlifting is it's an ego lifting haven. The problem with Crossfit is that it teaches shit form.
The way to stop injuries in powerlifting is to stop being an ego-lifting douchebag. The way to stop getting injured in Crossfit is to stop doing Crossfit.
The__Tren__Train 7y ago
Except even with flawless form, powerlifting still results in serious injuries
xinihil 7y ago
Not at the same loads, it doesn't. In CrossFit you're just trying to do a bunch of shit fast. Great for women's hypertrophy (interval training is more effective for women according to some study I read a while back) but ultimately suboptimal. Powerlifting is optimal at producing strength gains with respect to time spent in the gym (so one can do HIIT on the side and spend less time to achieve a set result than they would have to with CrossFit and a lower injury rate [you will see a larger percentage of CrossFitters getting injured squatting 405 than you see trained/coached powerlifters squatting the same amount and the powerlifters can do both their PL training and HIIT in conjunction and spend less time in the gym reaching that level due to a faster weight progression, and even still, they will be injured less {note a very important criteria: the powerlifters must have coaches to be analogous. CrossFitters train as a group with a coach of some sort.}.].). That being said, the powerlifter will spend more time per week in the gym, but due to tighter periodization loops, the powerlifter will achieve the results desired much, much faster and have spent less training time reaching them.