R/Askwomen thread is chock full of women talking about how they "put up" with their beta husbands while forever thinking about their alpha ex's. Read this thread. Read all of it.
My case is rather more extreme than the others, but I feel that maybe other people can relate to it, so perhaps I should post it.
During my early years of high school, I was dating what I would consider to be the "right" guy, even though I didn't really think of him as such at the time. He was chubby, awkward, short, and had a great deal of curly hair, pimples, and braces. He was certainly not the most handsome boy I had seen, and I only started dating him because I thought his taste in music was cool. ^sigh
But he was one of the sweetest boys I had ever met, and always treated me very well. He respected my sexual boundaries, was kind to my family, always made me mixed tapes and cool geometric drawings, and brought me flowers. He never said a word against me, even after we broke up, and was just all-around wonderful. I fell in love with him, despite him looking a bit silly.
After a few months, though, a different boy caught my eye: He was 6'3", slender, and had a very sharp, Scandinavian bone structure that I adored. Big lips and green eyes, the works. I fell for him after only talking to him for a few weeks, and decided to leave my then-boyfriend to date this handsome guy.
The relationship sucked immediately; I was almost obsessively drawn to him, and expected constant texting, kissing, and sex, although he returned the gestures in a cold manner. I remember after about two months of dating, I told him I loved him, and he told me he thought he would never love me. I blamed myself for being too attached, and began to hate myself for what I was doing, but I continued to love him.
The tables turned over time, though. He had a massive drinking problem (we lived in central Europe, so the drinking age is younger than in the US or UK), and would often become emotional when he drank. He would call me at 2 or 3 in the morning, shit-faced, crying and asking me to come outside and see him. When I did meet him, he was always covered in blood -- whether the blood was his or somebody else's, he never said. He got into fights with other people, and came home at least every weekend with bruises and cuts. He began to obsessively fall in love with me, while I turned away from him gradually. However, there was this underlying magnetic attraction to him that I couldn't control, which is why I stayed with him.
Our relationship became even worse, and he started turning his alcoholism and violence to me. When I fucked up, he would either hit me or bite me. Sometimes he would leave marks, but most often not. I didn't tell anyone about what was going on until a friend at school managed to catch a glimpse of it; he had slammed my fingers shut in a locker door while we were alone, because some of his friends claimed I cheated on him, and my friend saw and asked me about it later. He convinced me to break up with this guy.
I did, although reluctantly, and came back to him almost immediately. This pattern continued for about 6 months. I felt like I was in love with him to the extent where I could overlook this abuse, but in hindsight, I was terribly, terribly afraid. I was abused as a child, and so I think some of this fear was coming from past-traumas. Eventually, I managed to move on and my desire and attraction to him had faded. I began to date another boy, but still kept in contact with the last one.
He continued to harass me by calling me late at night after drinking and throwing rocks at my window. He was much kinder to me, though, and had stopped hitting me. He always begged me to take him back, but I stood my ground.
There was one distinctive day that ruined everything, though. He came over to my house when my parents were gone, telling me he needed to talk about something. I reluctantly let him in. He held me down and raped me that day.
I kept in contact with him after that day, although it was in complete fear. I hid the events of that day from my then-boyfriend and my parents for almost a year, but they knew something was wrong. I wasn't myself after that and am still quite apprehensive about getting intimate with somebody. I finally cut contact with him one day, but still think about him often and wonder where he is and what he's doing. I still love him, but it's a strange kind of love. Perhaps it's not really love, but another strong emotion that I can't quite categorize. As much as I feel that for him, I'm also in complete fear of him. Even to the extent where this is written on a throwaway account because he still knows my reddit username and I'm almost positive he always looks at it. After all, he loved me, too, in the end.
This story ist pretty much the opposite, a girl which left her beta male for an alpha and stayed with him even though he beat her because of his alpha characteristics.
Sorry but many stories there read like: "I had this beta male which i left for a bad boy / alpha looking / more attractive guy and now i regret leaving my beta."
It reads like they all left for stupid reasons like better looks, better game etc. and miss the beta properties.
Interesting how she says "his children" before getting pregnant and "our child" afterwards.
Also, this is pretty much consistent with the fact that women cannot love only one person and will always be seeking the best mate. I think, in general, men are more content once they settle in life. Unfortunately, it's all too easy for women to take advantage of the beta bucks.
It's really amazing to watch the solipsism. Nowhere is it even considered how a man would feel in any of these comments. Women are so wrapped up in their own emotions it completely renders them incapable of empathy. I wonder if this is why feminism has risen so quickly. Men are programmed to empathize with women, women are programmed to empathize with themselves. Fascinating.
When I was 18, I met Paul. We hit it off, almost instantly. I won’t go into the details, but we had many adventures together and falling in love with him came so easily I didn’t even realize it happened until I knew that I couldn’t live without him. He was also my first serious relationship. As things progressed and became more serious, I started to talk with friends and family about my future with him. I wanted to marry him. I wanted to have his children. He felt the same way about me, we discussed it quite frankly. “You’re too young” “you’ve never even been with anyone else” friends would say… I was young and the idea that maybe I WAS being too rushed, maybe I needed to explore the world, etc, was planted. I was weak and I relented. Paul and I took a break so I could “figure things out”.
Bolded for "Ride the cock carousel!" All aboard! Choo-choo!
Stupid people taking other stupid peoples' advice makes me laugh. Reminds me last time I was at a fast food place, some young kid worker taking financial advice from some 70 year old cashier there. Unless it's on what not to do with your life, 99/100 that guy doesn't obviously doesn't know shit.
I agree with your first point - the grass is greener is such a fucking dumb mentality. It does seem very human though, and you have to fight with logic to override it, or you can easily throw away something good for something shitty, just because it's new.
The second point though, you don't have a clue who the guy at the checkout is - he could have a PhD in economics for all you know, he could be working there as a way to talk to new people after retirement.
It's very naive to pigeonhole somebody into a very narrow archetype just because of their career - take the advice on its own merits, don't automatically accept/deny it just because of the person giving it.
Or the second person could have figured it out too late and is trying to spare others the same fate. Good advice is good advice, regardless of the source.
That's why I said 99/100, for the 1 guy who knows his his shit but is in a bad situation like healthcare debacle. If you see an old person at Micky D's or Walmart, I'd say it's most likely they're scrambling for the money, Idk anybody that hard up to meet new people in that setting in a no respect job.
I could even lower it to 90, 80, 70, really doesn't matter as long as the numbers were against it. Life is a numbers game, just like the philosophy of this sub, the generalizations will always miss the unicorns but good luck finding the unicorns.
Anyway, it wasn't any PHD or econ talk, mostly just how to afford to get a car and the old guy talking about getting an old delapitated one cheap and about fixing up his own and have it old enough to be considered a classic for cheap insurance. A route with many, many pitfalls to say the least.
There are exceptions, but I think the source of advice/info is useful to consider as well as their motivations in giving it out. None of us are really so experienced as to know whether every piece of advice has merit or not.
The second point though, you don't have a clue who the guy at the checkout is - he could have a PhD in economics for all you know, he could be working there as a way to talk to new people after retirement.
This is the stupid logic I expect in TBP or the rest of Reddit: "Oh but YOU DON'T KNOW! You can't be certain! He could very well be the President or CEO of the company!"
Shut up dude. Chances are, that guy is a huge fuckup. I don't have time to research everyone's background nor do I have time to research everything someone says. Which is why I trust the opinions of experts in their field, because they did all the learning for me. Chances are, in life, if a cash register worker tries to give any advice, they probably don't know wtf they are talking about. I don't care if they are right 10% of the time. I don't have the time to bother listening, considering, and researching everything these people say considering they are wrong an overwhelming majority of the time.
It's like taking diet advice from a fat person. Sure, the fatty could very well know diet advice. But I'm not going to listen to what they say because I'm far too skeptic considering their position and obesity, and I much rather waste my time with a fit person giving me diet advice.
And yes, judging someone on their career is okay. Don't turn this into the HAES movement of careers. A cashier is a shitty job adding very little value to society. Saying not to shame them, is like saying remove all disincentives for someone being a slacker in life.
"Shut up dude. Chances are, that guy is a huge fuckup. I don't have time to research everyone's background nor do I have time to research everything someone says. Which is why I trust the opinions of experts in their field, because they did all the learning for me. Chances are, in life, if a cash register worker tries to give any advice, they probably don't know wtf they are talking about. I don't care if they are right 10% of the time. I don't have the time to bother listening, considering, and researching everything these people say considering they are wrong an overwhelming majority of the time."
Agreed. I hate it when people talk out their asses on subjects they know nothing about.
while you do have a point, i must say, i think you're a dick.
any job is a good job while you're trying to improve your situation. not all are born lucky or have the pieces they were given fall into place with ease. TRP is about self improvement (be the best you can be - work hard to get there) as well.
you have a point about the hamster bit, but jeez get a puppy or something.
Plus, sure I'm a bit of a dick being judgmental. Time is limited, so I got to use it effectively, and make quick judgement calls on people's character based off limited information. It's not right, but it's necessity.
I'm just a person who doesn't equate somebody's worth with the way they make their money.
I know plenty of people in low paying jobs who are very artistic, or love to program in their spare time, who are beasts at the gym, or who are great to hang around with.
I don't know why you're being so aggressive here - I'm not saying to take the guys advice on his word because he might be right - I'm saying to analyse the advice on its own merit, then come to your own conclusion.
If you're stood on a bridge, and there is a bin-man on one side telling you to stay where you are, and on the other side is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company telling you to jump - whose advice are you going to take?
I know plenty of people in low paying jobs who are very artistic
So what? Then take their advice on art, and not finance.
I'm just a person who doesn't equate somebody's worth with the way they make their money.
I am. A prostitute has very low worth in my books because of the way they make their money. I don't care how good or moral of a person they are. In my book -- failure.
I'm saying to analyse the advice on its own merit, then come to your own conclusion.
What I'm saying is that's ridiculous... That's like when feminists say, "Hey don't judge people based on what they wear." Granted, sure many skinhead looking punk kids could be great amazing awesome people. However, I don't have enough time or care to vet every single skinhead punk I see. Because based off all prior experience, they are overwhelmingly likely to be a shitbag I want nothing to do with.
The same is true with people's claims. I simply don't have enough time to verify and critically think about each and every claim that is made. For instance, I still don't understand entirely hawking's radiation. It's confusing and makes no fucking sense. However, he's a really smart guy and all the other smart scientists agree with him, so all I can do believe them.
In fact, by them saying it, actually gives me MORE reason to try to understand it, because it's likely true and I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to understand something akin to Jews causing 9-11.
So, if I am going to get financial advice from someone I'm going to both take the word from an expert with a proven track record, and likely consider and think through this persons opinion as well, because they've shown to me that their opinion is not just some random guys opinion.
However, I am not going to get financial advice from a guy working at McDonalds. Sure, he could have great advice, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to think it through and mull it over when statistically his advice is likely shit.
If you're stood on a bridge, and there is a bin-man on one side telling you to stay where you are, and on the other side is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company telling you to jump - whose advice are you going to take?
That's a terrible example. A CEO of a fortune 500 company has no relevance to the situation. I don't judge people's opinion based on their status, but their relevant experience. I'd take an in-n-out employee's advice on cooking a burger well before I take the advice from the late Steve Jobs.
Totally with puaSenator on this... Playing nice and respecting everyone's opinion is a huge waste of your time. You want to ruthlessly manage your personal resources of time, energy and focus if you want to make something of yourself. Giving anyone and everyone a piece of your precious attention in case they got a valuable secret? Fuck that.
That's something funny about women. They don't have to love you or have lust for you in order to have a relationship with you. They can just get with you and say "Well I can cross relationship/marriage off my bucket list." It doesn't matter who it is with once she hits the wall. Once the concept of them being alone hits them they get terrified of being alone and grasp at anyone. The real trick is to be sought out and not grasped for out of desperation.
My favorite one is where the girl talks about how she found the perfect man, but he was moving to grad school, so she had to stay behind 2 months before being able to move in with him.
But she just couldn't stand being alone, so a week later she found another guy and dumped the man she loved -- because she couldn't stand being alone for 2 months in a LDR.
Why do I have a feeling this isn't all adding up? Just so happened to find a guy in a week and dump the guy you love? Just like that? On a whim? Nothing was happening before?
Fast forward 3 years she sees my engagement announcement to another woman. My ex calls and tells me that leaving me was the biggest mistake of her life.
Shocker.
It's rp 101, that thread, but go tell them that and they won't believe.
But. . . but. . .but why would you want to do that 30? these chicks are leaving a life of magic and wonder and you want to destroy that? How dare you.
Like this bitch said
It captures just that undertone of existential tragedy inherent in the striving of imperfect beings toward a perfect love, and conveys just that sense and suggestion of what real hope and love must look like and play out in human experience.
And this bitch
I was sucked into that like a sappy duckling, like I was reading it out of a Nickolas Sparks book. You should write a book about your story. I would read it and watch the movie when/if it came out and I would cry EVERY time! Aww!!!
And this bitch
You've experienced true love that you can never have again.
Craig will never have your heart.
Paul will never have you.
You couldn't write a better romantic dramedy movie if you tried.
And this bitch
Thank you for sharing your story and showing us that you CAN still be happy and loyal, even if life doesn't take you quite the way you thought it would. It must take a lot to resist the temptation to speak to him again, and I give you a lot of respect for not doing so.
This is not real life, okay 30? This is a book or a "dramedy", love is only for the woman and as long as she has a beta to provide and do as she says, that is true love. You know what? you just don't get it 30!
My exact thought. It's like a bittersweet story. I'm sad for Craig though as he will never have someone that genuinely thinks of him as the one (;-; )She successfully settled though so congrats
Remove the gender and this could be anyone. Generally, the person we love the most is definitely not someone healthy enough to be around all the time.
I have a nice girl now but I definitely don't love her as much as an old psycho Soprano Italian bitch flame of my youth.
RP theory is great but sometimes I think people forget the humanity outside of gender. The battle of testosterone and estrogen is an important thing to discuss but we are all still HUMAN.
What gets me is these women and manginas over there don't even recognize this story as disgusting or evil. They call it beautiful tragedy and other such shit.
I have been thinking it ever since I got here. Why oh why didn't I take the Blue Pill.
He got roped in, thinking he was doing the right thing. That's why we should care about him, he fell victim to her fairy tale and is now stuck in a shit situation
TRP opens your eyes to the real world. We've all had our visions clouded by ideals, so when the veil is parted it feels like things are disgusting and evil. But they're not, it's just the way things are, have been, and always will be.
Some people say the best path is to opt out of the system. I say find the rules of the system and game them to your advantage. When society seeks to screw you, screw it back harder.
Just reading about hypergamy, the carousel, alpha fux/beta bux, etc, is one thing. But when you actually get to see it first hand, straight from the horse's mouth, it can be a shock.
Great thread. So much redpill here. Check out the little tidbit at the end.
One of my best friends had that experience. When she was in her early twenties she got together with S. S was funny, amazing with children and devoted to her. S however was not at all adventurous. He loved her sense of adventure and would happily join in on everything, but he was very much a "salt of the earth" kind of guy. Not artistic, not going to wake up one morning and decide to trek around India and thus too boring and normal for my friend. Twenty years on she is still regretting the decision. Her boyfriends were arty, but mentally unstable. So adventurous they couldn't hold a job down. Genius, but highly abusive. Unsurprisingly she regrets her decision horribly. However he is happily married with kids. She starts meeting him and working her magic. Wife is not impressed. We tell friend to stop being a bitch and leave the poor guy alone. He is like a moth to the flame when it comes to her. In the end she agrees. Still talks about him though. Especially as she has just dumped her latest boyfriend because he was more jealous than a dog watching someone eating cheese and her children window has closed. She says that he was the right guy at the wrong time.
"Dated" this young naive aspiring model for a year while I was early in my career and she was finishing up her schooling. I didn't want anything serious, kept it as strictly sexual. She jonesed for more, and now, even years later after she's married to a supplicating beta for years, my phone blows up whenever she's in town, I'll get random e-mails, phone calls and texts from her throughout the year that clearly indicate she wants to get back together but I have long since moved on. I'd throw her the occasional bone TBH if she weren't so goddamn obsessive.
You know guys. Red Pill is not a religion. It's a theory. And this story is another puzzle piece that fits perfectly and further verifies the theory. There is a movie with Claire Danes, that is very much like this story. She had some caddies thunderloins fuck meet pussy into the plains of oblivion and she could not stop talking about him until she died. IF you are in a relationship with such a person you are the most unimportant person in the world. No matter how much the woman "loves"you. There is only one kind of love between man and woman and it's not for you. Don't. Be. That. Man.
There is a movie with Claire Danes, that is very much like this story. She had some caddies thunderloins fuck meet pussy into the plains of oblivion and she could not stop talking about him until she died.
There's a story in there about a chick getting super obsessed over her alpha boyfriend and not until he relapses into beta traits does she realize he's physically abusive (or so she says).
How do you guys explain her hamster keeping her in that relationship despite abuse and even coming back to it after leaving him?
Seems to me if her story is true they're both fucked in the head but I'd really like a play by play in a red pill format.
Because the alpha tingles she gets from him outweigh the beta.
Dollars to donuts says if he turned into an apologetic whiny bitch overnight she'd be on the next ride outta there and his "abuse" would suddenly be a major problem to her.
Militant/vocals feminists will still have a bone to pick with TRP regardless. TRP is clearly about us hating women and thinking of her as inferior, not about men taking control of their lives so they don't go through this disgusting shit.
About 7 months in, I got a phone call from Paul. He poured his heart out. He had dated other people, they didn’t compare… he wanted to get back together, but he knew that I was in a relationship and he was sorry that he didn’t come to me sooner. He would wait until the relationship ended naturally, but he wanted to give it a real try… we were adults now, we could really be together.I agreed. I began planning my way out of the relationship. I was very ready to be with Paul. I didn’t deserve another chance and I knew how lucky I was.
Then she says this. . .
Craig and I have a marriage that people envy. We’re incredibly loyal to one another and our family has grown since the birth of our son. I’m living the white picket fence kind of life. He’s my best friend. We joke, we laugh, we play with our kids… it’s the ideal family life. I’m happy, I feel lucky to live this life with him.
As soon as another alpha cock passes by or her beta of a husband fucks up, her loyalty is going to shrivel up so fast it's going to look like her vagina.
Just to play devils advocate a bit, let's just imagine that this woman did choose to stay with craig due to the pregnancy. Rather than a scenario where she asks Paul to take her in, he says no she stays with Craig.
Anyways, I find this to be a laudable choice on her part, she could have done the 'right thing' in the BP parlance and broke up with Craig on the pretense that she doesn't love him enough. Be a single mom and another kid without a father.
She in fact did do the right thing to build a family. What she did is not so unlike an arranged marriage, from all the Indians I know, men and women seems to be a quite livable arrangement that is filled with real love and concern. I'm frankly a bit sad that I can't I cannot take advantage of that system and get on with the business of starting a family. Which while gratifying and important for children is primarily an economic construct.
But noooo, here in the west we need to be in luuuuuuuv, the tingles and flutters must be in full force, which by their very nature are transitory.
god damn. the more i read the stories of what these women put their men through, the more im grateful for my future father and brother -in-law. of course we know that women behave appropriately around men when they are raised and taught correctly. I have never had these issues with my SO, none that stem from a blue pill problem. sure we may argue over what color sheets to get, but thats about it. she isnt trying to control me or the relationship. Im getting ready to grad in may with my BS and do you know what she did to surprise me? 2 days ago she drove up to see me and cooked me a whole fucking chicken with stuffing and greens and the works. she shows she loves me. and you know i showed it back by telling her how thoughtful she was and etc. its not that hard to not play games but that what some women do. me and her have been together since we were 15 going on 24. so she has no need to play games with me since i still get her while she is in her prime. it just saddens me that i see men on reddit and even in my classes dealing with classless women.
My sisters all married major alphas (successful military types with a commanding tone) and my sisters are all miserable because of estrogen (making the men miserable too). I thing RP is great but I would like to see the theory expanded a bit because in my experience, it doesn't fit 100% of the time. They would have been much happier with betas.
I'll admit that I am a beta, although I was major alpha until about 26 when I developed PTSD. I used to have crowds of hot women begging me to date them and that is no lie or exaggeration--a natural without knowing anything about alpha/beta. Me picking up women used to be that a car full of women driving down the street would pull over and say that I was hot and the hottest girl would beg me to fuck her in a park or anywhere immediately. I'm not lying--this happened often and I though it was completely normal and that all men experienced this. My face was attractive but my body was normal and I wasn't that tall. This happened from being a kid will into college. You can image the crash I felt when this attention stopped completely. I experienced life as a hot women, but I was a man. WTF? How does this fit in with RP theory? I was a bit of a sociopath so maybe it was just a vibe? This fits RPT.
I've found an herbal combination that restricts estrogen and boosts testosterone, turning women into that "Olympic woman" tom boy mentality--much less drama and if that is done after growing up, it doesn't affect looks--just the mind. When my girl's estrogen spikes I call it going to "crazy town" and I make her drink a smoothie that basically zaps estrogen.
Also, birth control pills are BAD NEWS and are partly to blame for the decline in female sanity since the '50s. Pouring in estrogen can't be a good idea.
So then why use the stories as examples at all. It takes some serious reading between the lines to look at many (or any) of the "original"
BFs as "Alphas". Most of the time it sounds like the women left a beta type for a CC ride and regret it. That still supports RP theory but isn't really what the OP is implying is going on.
This so much. A female friend of mine had an abusive jerk as a boyfriend for years, broke up and came back thousands of times, and everytime she broke up, she would tell our group of friends how he was begging for her to come back. As another female friend of ours told us, it was the other way around.
Yep. When the woman says "he called me back wanting to get back together" it's more likely "he was bored and wanted to see if he could get an easy lay that night."
But then again, women are the main character and directors in their movie, the story always gets told the way they want it to.
Im new to this thing, but what are the characteristics of a alpha. Fucking her brain out? Being arrogant, give a fuck about her emotions, are these the essentials? Im very confused.
We hit it off immediately. Super intense mental AND physical attraction which is rare for me. Well then I find out he has this long distance gf he's had since high school, but they practice an "open" relationship or some bs. I found out a couple of days before Valentine's Day, he told me she was coming in town for it and he was going to take her out and break it off. I was pissed. Why would he let her come up at all? So I broke it off. I was actually casually talking to another guy who I liked at the time who had a psycho ex who lived in town.
It's not okay if he does it, but it's totally fine for me!
Ever wonder why there are no good women leaders or philosophers?
If there was ever a perfect Redpill thread from r/askwomen, this is it.
A few prime case studies:
throwawaycuzhusband: Dates a guy named Paul for a while, clearly an alpha because he keeps her salivating for him long after they break up. Finally she marries some other chump and gets him pregnant. Guess what? Paul calls her up again and for the last many years, she just can't stop thinking about him. She openly admits that while she appreciates her husband's cash and provider status, Paul is her only true love and will be the only one she ever felt passion for.
TheWorstIndianAlive: The name says it all. 28-y.o. Indian woman who went on a furious carousel-riding journey through college. Dated a beta but couldn't put up with him because he was so supplicating. Dated an alpha who then broke up with her. Now she's gone through a laundry list of men and desperately needs her parents to get her an arranged marriage.
Salamandrattackforce: Dated a guy named Scott throughout college. He was a great boyfriend, perfect really. Well, he moves away for grad school and the plan was for her to follow him later on. Guess what? A week after he leaves, this chick starts sleeping with a guy who is a "convicted rapist, "smoked pot every single moment of free time", and "had an awful temper". Now she misses Scott but thank god, he won't take her back.
Take home point: If you marry a girl who is in her late 20s or 30s, her best years are already behind her. She's already had wonderful relationships and cherished memories. She'll constantly pine about the one who got away, and will force a smile when she's in your presence just so you will keep the cash flowing. In reality, she'll think of you nothing more than an ATM.
Take home point: If you marry a girl who is in her late 20s or 30s, her best years are already behind her. She's already had wonderful relationships and cherished memories. She'll constantly pine about the one who got away, and will force a smile when she's in your presence just so you will keep the cash flowing. In reality, she'll think of you nothing more than an ATM.
To be fair --I'm a guy and I'm the same way. If not worse.
I dated a 9/10 girl from age 19-22 --aka the hottest years of her life. She was also incredibly smart and interesting, and we had a passionate relationship.
I fear that no girl is going to compare in the future.
My favorite was the one where she left her "perfect" fat pimple faced boyfriend who gave her flowers all the time for a "6' 3", slender" iron-jawed alpha who abused her (when he wasn't ignoring her or fucking the shit out of her) and according to the story literally held her down and raped her, but she straight up admits that she thinks about him all the time and still harbors a "strange love" for him. Nothing else about pimple-flower boy was ever said.
I have no idea whether it did or not. What's telling, is that even if it did, she still harbors more intense and loving feelings towards him than any other man in her life.
A woman I know, cant go into details. Got knocked up by an alpha who got her pregnant and ditched her to marry another girl. She made poor choices all her adult life is single in her late 40's and cant seem to know why she 'fell" for assholes. She has a 20yr old son and points out how her son has the alpha characteristics of the guy who knocked her up. Shes a 3 time divorcee and when i ask her why she choose so poorly, she replies "I dont know!!!!"
I'm a 20 year old guy with a bit of a thing for older women, so the fact I am saying this, probably says rather a lot
If she is late 20's or early 30's and is not married, there must be a reason and that reason is that for them marriage isn't what they really want, fucking around with Alpha's and getting their drinks paid for by Beta's is what they actually want from life. They only "choose" to settle down, when that literally becomes the best option for them besides becoming a crazy cat lady. Of course she will rationalise it saying "I was having fun before and now my Beta chump lovely husband is the good care giver" but if she really wanted that, she would have done it age 24 max.
If she is late 20's or early 30's and is not married, there must be a reason and that reason is that for them marriage isn't what they really want
Sometimes, not always. Often they're completely fucking crazy and no man will have them. I've met some girls who seemed cool at first, but spend some time with them and you start to see the insane little devil inside.
It takes a special kind of retard to think that I formed my worldview via one example.
No. The behavior I describe has been witnessed over and over through time immemorial. But this linked thread is just one good example of a long-running trend.
Oh a stereotype exists therefore it must be true. Money alone will not get you laid. Obviously some women care about money, but some women care about the length of a man's hair. They are both moot points.
There is a strong base reason for every stereotype. If you cannot see this you are either too stupid or remain brainwashed by an ideology. Clear the filth from your eyes, the sooner the better.
The average women desires a man with power, purpose, and/or popularity. Money is strongly related.
You are either alpha or you are a providing bitch (i.e. a walking ATM). Well, some people are both, which will make that woman think "jackpot". Why do you think popstars are sorrounded by women?
Financial security is incredibly important to women, and it only gets more important post wall. That's why they are happy with a beta provider for their post wall existence, where pre wall he couldn't get near the cock carrousel she was riding.
There are a lot of girls in their late 20s and early 30s who live with their parents and pretty much have never been in a relationship because of their religious upbringing.
They dont typically go bar hopping or create a dating site profile, girls that do that typically fit ops pov but I see your point.
Goes to show girls don't need to "find themselves" by shagging loads of randoms just so they fit in to the feminist idealism. It lowers their SMV over time, they find it harder to emotionally connect to one man and they often ditch a solid man so they can do what all their girlfriends do. They regret it because they become less attractive as they age and men don't want them for anything more than a fuckhole. Take responsibility. For once.
This thread also re-emphasizes something important that Red Pill men tend to overlook:
The thing about administering the Red Pill to women...is precisely that it needs to be administered to them. They won't take it themselves.
Men are driven to the Red Pill out of necessity, out of dire want, driven by their smouldering sex drives or their fatal nihilism after a bitter divorce rape.
But women are passive. They play a safe game, and when a life decision doesn't work out, they often don't fix it - they simply endure it until something else (hopefully) comes along.
Red Pill Women are not born. They're not even self-made. They're made by YOU.
No. Talking explicitly about TRP is the last thing you want to do with a girl.
When I say teach, I mean teach her how to be a proper lady. How to please you, how to defer to your authority, how to love you, how to trust your protection, and how to fulfill and even appreciate her female role.
The problem with modern women (and men, for that matter) is that we have no good gender role models. Our culture has systematically stigmatized gender roles. Since culture won't help in this process of rehabilitation, it is left to the individual man to educate his women.
They play a safe game, and when a life decision doesn't work out, they often don't fix it - they simply endure it until something else (hopefully) comes along.
Aptly described as branch swinging like Donkey Kong. She won't leave her current boyfriend unless she has a new one lined up.... up until the point she hits The Wall and will desperately cling to any branch that can hold her weight while she plummets down.
Every time I read these stories, I think back to <20 year old me who had these foolish notions of 'love' and what it was supposed to entail. I'm glad I found TRP when I did over a year ago.
The problem is generational because they should be made by their parents and the father's input is particularly what is at fault here, setting a very poor example.
I concur with this, I don't think its within an adult to try to save another at least in this manner. I understand the motivation is distinct, but I see it a bit akin to trying to "save" a girl from her issues, a common mistake when you still believe in the fantasy of the blue pill.
I wish I could give you more upvotes for your comment. Your comment is simply worth much more than one. Thanks for the redpill, HumanSockPuppet. Stuff like this is why I subscribe to TRP.
Red Pill Women are not born. They're not even self-made. They're made by YOU.
I would not have made that leap without my husband's help. It's humiliating but true, I was waiting for something to fix it and that something was my husband.
My man introduced me to RP thought even though he didn't know about/call it RP. His introduction to it came from the Sterling Men's Weekend, and later I went to the Women's Weekend. Only recently did I find the RP sites/threads and I showed it to him to confirm and refresh what we learned at our weekends.
i have to second this...even though i was pretty naturally RP and never had been an alpha widow, my hubs frame and masculinity definitely RPed me up the rest of the way lol
i have to second this...even though i was pretty naturally RP and never had been an alpha widow, my hubs frame and masculinity definitely RPed me up the rest of the way lol
And we're happy to do it.
As a dominant personality type, part of the pleasure for me of being with a woman is being able to lead her, mentor her, and watch her grow.
Men walking the path of the Red Pill will often learn to develop and re-embrace these dominant tendencies, and women will enthusiastically follow.
I'm convinced that it is the natural state of heterosexual relationships.
Exactly. If her first guy would have gone after her, they would probably be married and she wouldn't have these horrible nagging doubts. The fact that she can't even talk to him pretty much says it all. The CC ruined life for her and what's sad is you see other women trying to rationalize it.
what do women have to add to a man's life? I though being RP was all about self-improvement, and being the best individual you can be and living for yourself.
Why would I want to put in the effort of training a bitch, after I come home from work tired and drained? Whats the payoff? What is a woman but a parasite in this situation?
You're still in stage 2, but I understand exactly where you're coming from, because I too was there.
Women actually have a great deal to add to your life. They will go to the ends of the earth to please you, to care for you, to make you happy, if you would only give them your guidance.
Behind the veneer of every boiling feminist lies a woman who wants to be led, and who is eager to please a man who understand how to harness her potential.
A woman is a valuable resource in which to invest. That's why we're here figuring out which buttons do what.
I feel you man but I'd advise against straight up bitterness towards them. You're still thinking of it from a selfish point of view. They need your direction. Do it righteously and they will add whatever value to your life that you need. Or not, and then fuck them. That's where self improvement comes in. Makes you less vulnerable to their inherent capriciousness.
Of course he's thinking about it from a selfish viewpoint, it's his life their going to affect. If you were going to spend considerable time and/or money doing something you'd consider how it affected your life.
And he raised a solid point, sex aside, what do women offer in a relationship? Very little. Is this worth the cost (time, shit tests, alimony if married, etc.) of having a woman in your life? Probably not.
In whatever situation/lifestyle he's leading, the cost of long term woman is much greater than the return. And I'd probably agree with him.
And he raised a solid point, sex aside, what do women offer in a relationship?
This is what new people don't get. You only know how to get laid. The same question could be offered for every single relationship of your life. Is your answer being a selfish hermit? Or endlessly filling yourself with unjustified and pointless hate for every person who in your mind and limited experience does not offer you something you want?
For now, continue on your course. You can be bitter. But be humble to the possibility that your perspective has room to grow. That you've not seen all there is to see.
PUArtistry was never about happiness. A human has more needs than just sex. A man is not merely a sperm dispenser and a woman, a baby factory.
You are making everything about the sexual marketplace. As if that is the only thing that exists. If you were an unintelligent animal, I would agree with you.
EDIT: HumanSockPuppet brought up a good point. You're stage 2 red pill. There is a happier stage to be in than anger.
The correct answer is that mating and pairing off with a women (or a series of women) is a biological imperative. Going against that will be uncomfortable. Thanks for playing.
Why do you assume I'm hateful and full of vitriol? You can believe what you want, but I'm not particularly angry or shocked. I just see it matter of fact that women in a relationship provide little value compared to cost it takes to keep them faithful and happy in such a relationship.
This is what new people don't get. You only know how to get laid. The same question could be offered for every single relationship of your life. Is your answer being a selfish hermit?
The same question should be applied to other relationships. What value does this person add to my life? Friends and Family who don't provide much benefit to my life, get removed. People who I find valuable and interesting, I try to keep in my life. Whenever I'm back in my home town, I'll usually go out for drinks with my old highschool philosophy teacher, hit up my old guitar teacher, and visit an old lady who took me driving. These people all add more value to my life than a long term girl does, and although it's sometimes inconvenient, the cost of meeting them is always worth it.
Or endlessly filling yourself with unjustified and pointless hate for every person who in your mind and limited experience does not offer you something you want?
I'm not angry dude. Painting me as angry and my viewpoint as one that needs to be outgrown is much easier than critiquing it, but does little to convince me or anyone like me it's untruthful. As I said, I just see that as how it is. Women take take take, but they do very little giving.
Alright, I bought into the stereotype. You're not angry. Given.
Earlier I assumed that you were thinking in terms of a purely material exchange on the sexual market. But now that you yourself gave examples of the friends and family, it makes it easier to state my point.
You say your old teachers for philosophy and guitar, and your driving companion from earlier are providing value to your life, that the cost of meeting them is always worth it. In a way, they make you happy.
How?
They provide interesting conversation. Maybe a favour here and there. They care about you. Generosity towards them and from them makes for a good exchange. [Put or remove stuff here, you know better than me]
And why?
They are compatible people. You have good history and shared values. There are things you can learn from them. You are a social animal that likes company.
I'm sorry, this is where others reading get the impression of a lack of perspective. Logically, why exactly would a woman be incapable of fulfilling these criteria? Maybe even exceed?
It doesn't make sense. There are lots of educated, insightful women in many fields. They could be generous, kind-hearted individuals or well-read or travelled or have a tremendous variety of good qualities that are invaluable in a companion. A companion who has the potential to make lots of good history. Of course, none of them are perfect, but then who is? This isn't me arguing for a unicorn. This is me trying to make the case that whats happening here is perhaps, a failure of imagination.
Like I said bluntly earlier(hey, this is /r/TRP), but I really apologize, I forgot to actually emphasize it as the meat of my post:
You only know how to get laid.
I don't know you, but let's assume you're meeting women in your locality. Starting flings, each showing whatever portion of your value you think the other is seeking in the quickest time possible. You say women don't add value besides sex. How much value do you add back, that's never reciprocated? Dinner? A car ride? The initiation of dates? Your wonderful, wonderful personality?
Let's say you've gone through ~5 of these girls, when you find one that interests you. And you move beyond fling. You remember how clueless you were during BP days? Well, that's how women still are. They are absolutely clueless about what a man wants. Their game has always been easy. Because sex is an OP weapon. They don't know how to apply femininity, like you didn't about masculinity. Especially western women.*
Moreover, women are crippled by their nature to be biased towards men who are unlikely to show her value beyond alpha traits, and they constantly complain that all men just want sex. They're jaded. Like you. And they're victims of feminism in a way too, via a princess mindset. Cast in that role they don't really want to be in. Not really.
So what now? Is this new game un-winnable? No, its just another level. With new mechanics. And you sir, you...
You only know how to get laid.
RP women aren't born. They're made. Most women are clueless about what you want. Show them. There is lots of material written on Long-term game. I recommend this fellow named Occam'sUsername. Chat him up on the IRC too for good insight on specific queries.
Its not for no reason some of the older members are adamant about this: the success or failure of any relationship, without exception, is your fault.
How much value they provide you. How much they give, that depends on you too. I know this guy who does nothing but chat with women. Yet he gets gifts worth serious cash all the time. He visits them overseas and gets the royal treatment. He fucks with impunity too. Granted, he has literally been a male model. But yeah, its possible.
*I'm Asian myself and live in a conservative society. Sometimes I pity you guys. Lots of educated yet homely, chaste and wonderful women here still.
Holy fucking shit what a poetic story. It captures just that undertone of existential tragedy inherent in the striving of imperfect beings toward a perfect love, and conveys just that sense and sug.... blahblahblah
What the fuck is this dork talking about?
Thank you. This actually made me cry. I hope for that too.
Jesus women are such emotional faggots sometimes
I would totally read a Sparks-like book based on /u/throwawaycuzhusband's story. Also, "The Best of Me" by Nicholas Sparks is kind of similar to her story. A guy and a girl fall deeply in love, but are separated because of their entirely different fam...
Please just shut the fuck up already. I can't date American women anymore they think life is a daytime Television show or a Nicholas Sparks novel (I don't even know who that is but I'm sure he writes emo-porn bullshit). I'm sure my Korean girlfriend is the same but the language barrier keeps me from knowing for certain.
This comment made me cry, fuckin owned it. That thread was repulsive. That first faggot you quoted, wow, shove your liberal arts degree down your throat and die.
I like that this is the only place on reddit where comments that aren't PC, and sometimes offensive to some people can get upvoted. Reminds me of reading about college "speech codes" where it would be punishable to say racist/offensive things but someone argued against it saying at college, you are trying to learn and discover things, and this process might sometimes lead someone to a racist or offensive thought; but this shouldn't be a crime. We can't figure things out by only staying on the PC side of the fence.
It will be a sad day when comments like this are no longer a part of the discussion.
It's part of the reason people hate us so much, but also part of the reason this place is such a safe haven for us. A lot of the things we recognize as being truths are not possible to say in the "real world" where you have to tread on PC eggshells.
Political correctness is designed to limit potential thought and thus to control people. Society doesn't want us to come to the conclusions TRP has because then we will know where our true incentives lie and pursue them, which goes against societies interests.
Considering the popularity of "The Notebook" where that little minx Rachel McAdams is a total disloyal slut, no surprise these hamsters love this shit. The more I read TRP, you'll notice that most popular media embody Blue Pill principles. The few that don't are either so well done that they're applauded as critical genius (The Wire, Sopranos, Breaking Bad to a lesser degree except that Walter White became a fucking 'dickbag' to everyone when he mans up) or shit on (Two and a Half Men) for being misogynistic filth.
Both Avon and Stringer Bell are different styles of RP leaders I would say. Stringer through gritty realism (able to evaluate the entire landscape cerebrally and then do what needs to be done, such as killing DeAngelo behind Avon's back). Avon is your more charismatic leader who keeps everyone in line, maintains the hierarchy of generals and whatnot. I've only seen about 2 seasons and I would say that its RP in that it tries to show the reality of crime, rather than being some "badass cops versus Scarface-ripoff drug dealers!" show. The reality being that it is a pyramid setup just like business, where the manipulative / dominant types quickly rise to the top and the idealistic / clueless BP types are used for some menial task and then they either die or go to jail.
McNulty isn't the best example (though the redhead lawyer upgrading to the black guy is an example), however the lesbian couple is dead on.
I never considered it a Red Pill show though, just ultra realistic, which TRP deals with: reality. Makes me wonder why Blue Pillers love the show so much.
Whenever women say the word existential, 'consciousness', etc, I know it's a bunch of hamster bullshit. You fucked your own life up - there is no cosmic existential force that nihilistically ordained that you must experience emptiness. But when you say it all "poetically" aka using words you learned in English 101 back in college, it makes you feel validated. Which is of course why the author of the first reply responded like that. It's basically the perfect female circlejerk
There's a big difference. I know what it's like to be sexually attacked and I know what it's like to be lovingly 'ravaged'.
The biggest difference is that one is consensual and one is not. One is positive and exiting and with the right person. The other is traumatising and dangerous and wrong (and illegal), also possibly with someone who hasn't washed their penis in 5 days and doesn't care if they seriously harm you.
No. If you believe that then you're just as bad as the other deluded misogynistic dbags who fester here.
The man who sexually abused me (when I was 13) was someone who you would call an alpha. He was charming and pretty handsome and had me wrapped around his little finger. He was also head boy at my school. He was 19 and everybody respected him. For some fucked up reason he wanted to have sex with me despite my age and the fact we were really just friends. When I said no he got ragingly drunk and violent and proceeded to gag me with his rancid dick for 3-4 hours straight.
He was 'alpha', so therefore it must have been consensual right? It was ok that a man forcedly choked a 13 year old with his cock because he was attractive and domineering?
I'm sure my Korean girlfriend is the same but the language barrier keeps me from knowing for certain.
As a man who also has a Korean girlfriend and can understand her: Yes, you can be absolutely certain she is the same. Actually, I assure you she is worse.
Korean women are the worst when it comes to this shit. Superficial, deluded about love and happiness, living in Disney princess fantasies.
However, they are incredibly loyal and will do anything you want from them. Like, literally anything. Especially when it comes to sex.
And their superficial attitude will make them very self-conscious about their looks and their behaviour. They never behave like sluts (even if they are), they are never loud and obnoxious, they are never bitchy, and they always take perfect care of their body. Going to the gym, dieting, putting on perfect make-up, perfect outfits. It's amazing. Especially the fact that they can wear these ultra-mini skirts and just look amazing with that perfect Asian skin.
Never going back, regardless how deluded they are.
I think my girlfriend might be a sociopath or something, she seems cold-hearted (I don't mind at all). I thought this was a Korean thing but maybe it's just her.
You're dead-right about the sex thing, my gf treats our sex like it's her most important job in the world, she even showers me after we're done. Totally self conscious too, eye surgery, boob surgery, every kind of expensive face cream you could imagine, it's ridiculous. She's going to look 25 forever because she refuses to let the sun touch her skin.
She's pretty cool, she even apologized to me after she had a miscarriage like she failed or something, my American ex would have blamed me and resented me for something like that but this Korean girl took full responsibility (which she didn't need to do, it was nobody's fault obviously).
To be honest, the cold-heartedness might be due to disillusion. Korean guys are pretty ruthless.
Usually girls will be cheated on without her knowing and the girl will find out when the guy posts a cutie-picture of himself with his new girlfriend on facebook sorrounded by hearts. And then she will still fight for that douchebag...
Although Korean guys look and behave like betas - carrying their girlfriend's handbags whenever they can, opening all doors, paying for everything (that one was really weird to me, they pay everything), apologizing all the time, doing all the fucked up over-the-top cute shit with them, buying them jewelry, talking about kids and marriage, etc. - they absolutely aren't. They are huge assholes. And I mean... massive assholes. They treat their girlfriends like princesses but the moment the girl looks away they will immediately fuck another one. They will usually treat their friends better than her. And so on.
So, your girlfriend just might have the attitude of "this guy will cheat on me anyway, so I better not get my hopes up that high and just make the best of it". Or maybe she is just adapting to you and trying to be the way you like her best. Most likely if you show her nice feelings she will warm up quickly and be all lovey-dovey (if you want that). However, do that when you are young, it seems that once you are older she will get used to being cold-hearted and once you start being all cute and clingy they will consider you weak and ultimately start hating you (even if they like it).
Sociopathy definitely isn't unlikely among Korean girls to be honest. I don't think there are many Korean girls (nor guys) without some degree of personality disorder. It happens due to their lifestyle.
Also, yeah, all those surgeries. They really do take that seriously. My girlfriend never had a surgery and because of that is incredibly proud of her body, so she always makes fun of people who had surgery. "Oh, look at her, she obviously had nose surgery, I look better than her without surgery, aren't you proud of me?"
Korean girls are fucking mean. However, last year my girlfriend got a skin infection on her face and she had huge pimples all over her face for several months. Holy shit, she was crying all the time and I thought she was going to kill herself. So, while I love the fact that Korean girls all look perfect, it's really not only borderline crazy. They actually are crazy.
Went to Louis Vuitton to buy some new sunglasses, saw a hot Asian woman, took her to lunch, told her I wanted to come over later, brought along a sling bikini for her to wear, had intercourse, called her a week later, before you know it she's my girlfriend.
If you want one just go get one. You can do it, no problem.
That was awesome, man. Sadly, I have never seen a korean girl around in my area. Might have to move out a bit but they are incredibly rare in my state, you could say.
But… when I think about “when I fell in love” all the moments belong to Paul. Every time my daughter asks “tell me about love” it’s hard not to tell her about Paul. Because I knew what it was like to REALLY love someone romantically. I have a different kind of love for my husband. I know he thinks we were “meant to be” and I’m his “soul mate” but I can’t shake the thought that my soul mate is a man I can never speak to again.
When I was still plugged in, this was always my greatest fear - having some woman settle for me after she'd gone through every ride at the local fair and only loving me for what I could 'bring' to the table.
If there's still a man who believes in the typical love story as formed by Hollywood: stop living in denial and read this thread.
My blood pressure is elevated just by reading this shit, because there are plenty of good men slaving away their lives for wives that don't really love their husbands. Eventually that will come to a halt when their wives can't take it any more (after 'giving him everything and more') and divorce rape the guy while riding the CC once again looking for that 'true love'.
Here's an update from her in the same thread:
Also know that I do love Craig, in fact... I think I love him in a deeper and more profound way than I loved Paul. You really learn the depths of yourself when you're submursed in "doing the right thing". Don't be afraid of being Craig. I can assure you he's happy and so am I. I think, even if he knew how I felt, he would work with me in couseling to continue our marriage. He knows that I'm commited to him.
I am speechless. I can't form any words. The hamster in her is so massive, it might crush the very fabric of the universe.
I began planning my way out of the relationship. I was very ready to be with Paul. I didn’t deserve another chance and I knew how lucky I was. Unfortunately, life had different plans. Not more than a couple of days later, a positive pregnancy test sealed my fate. I was pregnant. I had already been pregnant when Paul called and I just didn’t know it. It wasn’t fair for me to expect Paul to take care of a child that wasn’t his and I knew that Craig would be a wonderful father and had always wanted children. So, that’s the life I chose.I told Paul the situation, it was a difficult conversation, things were said that were hurtful, between the two of us.
I absolutely love stories like this. What I took away from this story was quite different than what was posted in the OT. There were plenty of people who were outraged, and said "oh poor craig" because Craig was deprived of his true love. She was ready to jump ship and realized she was pregnant. She still went to Paul and told him that, in the hopes that he would "man up" for his love and take her anyways. Paul being an alpha, did no such thing. So now she "made the choice" of being with her beta provider who was stable and safe and clueless of the situation. Craig got exactly what he deserves, a loveless safe marriage that will most likely end as soon as the child is grown up.
What is left for guys like Craig is to harden their hearts and consider the wife a paid incubator and nanny for the child. The child deserves his love.
"When I was still plugged in, this was always my greatest fear - having some woman settle for me after she'd gone through every ride at the local fair and only loving me for what I could 'bring' to the table."
Same here, re: former blue pill anxiety. This is actually what began my red awakening two or three years ago; I realized the sad fact that this is the case more often than not in long-term relationships and it made me sick.
I think most men are aware of this, but for some reason marriage is so ingrained into the psyche as the 'right thing to do', they go along with it regardless. Especially in generations past, providing for your wife and family was your prime function in life. People just wanted to get by from one day to the next. These days there are so many options and possibilities, being single just seems such a more sensible option for a man long-term.
If there's still a man who believes in the typical love story as formed by Hollywood: stop living in denial and read this thread.
Some co-workers were rambling on about How I Met Your Mother this week as the finale is upon us. Unfortunately, I've been subjected to some of this show as one of my plates watches it a lot after we bone.
That show summarizes the Blue Pill to the 9th degree. A fucking blue pill fantasy through and through. The main guy, Ted, is such a blue pill beta that it's painful to watch how clueless he is. But then again, the whole show's narrative is that he'll get his happily ever after and I'm sure beta's and douchers everywhere cling to that fantasy.
I also saw an episode where the red-head chick tells her husband that she settled for him and he reached for her. WTF? She's a hard 5, 6 at best if you like gingers, and in the show a Kindergarten teacher. He's a Columbia Law graduate. Wtf? He's way beyond her in any sense of the imagination.
I'm also starting to think that Reddit's narrative that "PUA's manipulate women into sex" is largely based on Barney Stinson's idiotic ploys to get laid. Considering reddit's infatution with this Blue Pill show, a lot more makes sense after seeing parts of that shitty ass show.
The really fucked up part here is the life her poor husband Craig has to lead. His happy wife is a complete lie. She thinks about Paul every day while forcing smiles and sex with her husband.
Deep inside, he knows he's second best to her. He just can't admit it or hasn't fully figured it out yet, but one day this fantasy will come crashing down on both of them and their children.
Deep inside, he knows he's second best to her. He just can't admit it or hasn't fully figured it out yet
I'm guessing a form of the latter. He might think there's something wrong, but he will look at the wrong person - himself instead of her - to blame. Women can be great actresess if they give you emotional validation - what betas crave more than anything - all the while secretly despising you.
You nailed it. He looks to himself because she gaslights the fuck out of him. Her attitude is "there's nothing wrong and if you think there is, you're the one with the problem." It's how they operate.
I should know, I was married to one for 15 years who didn't start loving me until I became successful and started making progress on my climb out of betaville. Got my first blow job from her a week after I told her I wanted a divorce. The first 14 years she was a "good girl" who "didn't do that." She sucked me on the daily for about a year but it was too little, too late. I left her ass anyway. Nothing she could have said or done would have made up for a decade and a half of cruelty.
The disturbing part is that this is somehow a great romance to /r/askWomen... How can their brains rationalize this as something other than a gigantic betrayal?
She settled for Craig for the money, while constantly dreaming of getting pummeled by Paul. And we're supposed to feel sorry for her?
According to Dante, he first met Beatrice when his father took him to the Portinari house for a May Day party. At the time, Beatrice was eight years old, a year younger than Dante. Dante was instantly taken with her and remained so throughout her life even though she married another man, banker Simone dei Bardi, in 1287. Beatrice died three years after the marriage in June 1290 at the age of 24. Dante continued to hold an abiding love and respect for the woman after her death, even after he married Gemma Donati in 1285 and had children. After Beatrice's death, Dante withdrew into intense study and began composing poems dedicated to her memory. The collection of these poems, along with others he had previously written in his journal in awe of Beatrice, became La Vita Nuova.
She thinks about Paul every day while forcing smiles and sex with her husband
The thing that really disgusts me is that she most likely fantasizes about Paul while being with Craig and he is none the wiser.
She even mentions in a comment that she is going to go see a psychiatrist about this because of the guilt, so again she's going to have to deceive Craig because why would she need to go see a psychiatrist when they have such a wonderful marriage; or she has to tell him, which I would assume at that point would ruin their marriage, unless he is really that beta.
It really is revolting. People in that thread saying her story made them cry, like it's this tragic romance. Holy fucking shit. It is shit like this that makes men hate women.
I disagree. When the kids are grown, out of the house, and finished with college, Mom is going to have a titanic mid-life crisis. The divorce settlement will be epic.
Yep. Vows don't mean shit anymore. That's how it would have played out fifty years ago, but now with the stigma surrounding divorce almost non-existent, that cunt will drop him as soon as those kids ship out, and Craig will have a crisis of gargantuan proportions. And people wonder why we see these double homicides.
When I was still plugged in, this was always my greatest fear - having some woman settle for me after she'd gone through every ride at the local fair and only loving me for what I could 'bring' to the table.
Probably because an alpha dips at the first sign of a hamster or changes the potential SO into a plate, never allowing her access to his heart in a way that can hurt him.
Way too late on this comment but NEVER date a girl you've been friends with for awhile. Girls need to go from meeting you to fucking you within 1-2 weeks max for it to be the "passionate whirlwhind" they fantasize about. You don't do that and you're just each other's leftovers.
I red the first story in this and I don't think it's all that bad.
everyone has the " one that got away", even me, and I am a red pill kind of man.
I do think she loves her husband. she just loves another man too. in this day an age you should expect that. I don't think her husband is second best. I just think it is what it is. they have a great life together.
Edit: to me, most of the stories sound like life. sure the guys could have been aphal, but how many guys in this world are TURLY alpha, not many. we can tear this whole thread apart or we can just leave it for what it is.
I am in a very poetic mood right now.. . here is a song to reflect that.
I would tell Craig that he gave me the life I was meant to live, that my life with him is filled with more love than I could've asked for. Sometimes I truly believe that this was the path I was meant to take. I love my children more than anything in this world. I like to think of them as the loves of my life, and he gave that to me.
Good lord, imagine if "Craig" saw this thread. The drama would be epic. If I were him, I can't imagine the amount of humiliation and rage that would ensue. I'm so glad I found TRP.
I'm wondering if she isn't subconsciously wanting Craig to find out so she can run back to Paul by maybe leaving her story open on her PC/laptop "accidentally" or something to that effect. Who writes things like this for the entire world to see without thinking, "hey there's a chance I might get caught"?
I think, even if he knew how I felt, he would work with me in couseling to continue our marriage. He knows that I'm commited to him.
Sadly, from her description of him he sounds like he would be too beta to realize he should be enraged.
Lololollol, the new thread that's heating up on askwomen is "do you ladies ever find yourselves ignoring your own advice?" And the first post is abouy some woman who "gives great relationship advise" but falls for the bad guy regularly despite how she would advise her friends. Lolololol, hamster!
The only thought that went through my head the moment after I read that was wondering what crappy romance novel/film/narrative this could be ripped from. This doesn't even make good fiction.
And I wonder how her current husband would think about her drooling over the alpha "she let go" years ago.
Hey OP, something to keep in mind is that a lot of people, myself included, tend to romanticize the past and subconsciously choose to avoid remembering the bad things about a former partner.
We do this because remembering shitty things makes us feel shitty and we try to avoid feeling shitty when we can.
Another reason this happens is because people don't like to accept they decided to spend several years of their life with the wrong person. For many of us, "she was pretty good and I let her get away," is an easier pill to swallow than "I wasted 4 years of my life with a terrible person who emotionally abused me and treated me like a turd."
1.he would either hit me or bite me.
2.I felt like I was in love with him
3.one distinctive day that ruined everything. He came over to my house when my parents were gone, telling me he needed to talk about something. I reluctantly let him in. He held me down and raped me that day.
I still love him, but it's a strange kind of love. Perhaps it's not really love, but another strong emotion that I can't quite categorize.
Very loose definition of "rape". I'll never understand how someone can hold you down while taking your pants off, his pants off, the undewear, and then fuck you for 5-15minutes without you being able to stop him.
I'm not sure you should be surprised seeing as EVERY SINGLE DREAM a girl has that involves sex is RAPE because she can't give consent while she is asleep.
To be fair this happens often in pieces written by people who have English as a second language. "Sorry if my english sucks, I'm from X" and then on goes text in english better than most people you could find at the street or a mall.
x3oo 10y ago
This story ist pretty much the opposite, a girl which left her beta male for an alpha and stayed with him even though he beat her because of his alpha characteristics.
x3oo 10y ago
Sorry but many stories there read like: "I had this beta male which i left for a bad boy / alpha looking / more attractive guy and now i regret leaving my beta." It reads like they all left for stupid reasons like better looks, better game etc. and miss the beta properties.
Rollo-Tomassi 11y ago
Required reading: http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/04/five-minutes-of-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/06/the-slut-paradox/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/16/blueprint-for-an-alpha-widow/
[deleted] 11y ago
Interesting how she says "his children" before getting pregnant and "our child" afterwards.
Also, this is pretty much consistent with the fact that women cannot love only one person and will always be seeking the best mate. I think, in general, men are more content once they settle in life. Unfortunately, it's all too easy for women to take advantage of the beta bucks.
stop_talking_ 11y ago
It's really amazing to watch the solipsism. Nowhere is it even considered how a man would feel in any of these comments. Women are so wrapped up in their own emotions it completely renders them incapable of empathy. I wonder if this is why feminism has risen so quickly. Men are programmed to empathize with women, women are programmed to empathize with themselves. Fascinating.
2comment 11y ago
Bolded for "Ride the cock carousel!" All aboard! Choo-choo!
Stupid people taking other stupid peoples' advice makes me laugh. Reminds me last time I was at a fast food place, some young kid worker taking financial advice from some 70 year old cashier there. Unless it's on what not to do with your life, 99/100 that guy doesn't obviously doesn't know shit.
abXcv 11y ago
I agree with your first point - the grass is greener is such a fucking dumb mentality. It does seem very human though, and you have to fight with logic to override it, or you can easily throw away something good for something shitty, just because it's new.
The second point though, you don't have a clue who the guy at the checkout is - he could have a PhD in economics for all you know, he could be working there as a way to talk to new people after retirement.
It's very naive to pigeonhole somebody into a very narrow archetype just because of their career - take the advice on its own merits, don't automatically accept/deny it just because of the person giving it.
10J18R1A 11y ago
Or the second person could have figured it out too late and is trying to spare others the same fate. Good advice is good advice, regardless of the source.
2comment 11y ago
That's why I said 99/100, for the 1 guy who knows his his shit but is in a bad situation like healthcare debacle. If you see an old person at Micky D's or Walmart, I'd say it's most likely they're scrambling for the money, Idk anybody that hard up to meet new people in that setting in a no respect job.
I could even lower it to 90, 80, 70, really doesn't matter as long as the numbers were against it. Life is a numbers game, just like the philosophy of this sub, the generalizations will always miss the unicorns but good luck finding the unicorns.
Anyway, it wasn't any PHD or econ talk, mostly just how to afford to get a car and the old guy talking about getting an old delapitated one cheap and about fixing up his own and have it old enough to be considered a classic for cheap insurance. A route with many, many pitfalls to say the least.
There are exceptions, but I think the source of advice/info is useful to consider as well as their motivations in giving it out. None of us are really so experienced as to know whether every piece of advice has merit or not.
puaSenator 11y ago
This is the stupid logic I expect in TBP or the rest of Reddit: "Oh but YOU DON'T KNOW! You can't be certain! He could very well be the President or CEO of the company!"
Shut up dude. Chances are, that guy is a huge fuckup. I don't have time to research everyone's background nor do I have time to research everything someone says. Which is why I trust the opinions of experts in their field, because they did all the learning for me. Chances are, in life, if a cash register worker tries to give any advice, they probably don't know wtf they are talking about. I don't care if they are right 10% of the time. I don't have the time to bother listening, considering, and researching everything these people say considering they are wrong an overwhelming majority of the time.
It's like taking diet advice from a fat person. Sure, the fatty could very well know diet advice. But I'm not going to listen to what they say because I'm far too skeptic considering their position and obesity, and I much rather waste my time with a fit person giving me diet advice.
And yes, judging someone on their career is okay. Don't turn this into the HAES movement of careers. A cashier is a shitty job adding very little value to society. Saying not to shame them, is like saying remove all disincentives for someone being a slacker in life.
WeAreAllSheep 11y ago
"Shut up dude. Chances are, that guy is a huge fuckup. I don't have time to research everyone's background nor do I have time to research everything someone says. Which is why I trust the opinions of experts in their field, because they did all the learning for me. Chances are, in life, if a cash register worker tries to give any advice, they probably don't know wtf they are talking about. I don't care if they are right 10% of the time. I don't have the time to bother listening, considering, and researching everything these people say considering they are wrong an overwhelming majority of the time."
Agreed. I hate it when people talk out their asses on subjects they know nothing about.
[deleted] 11y ago
while you do have a point, i must say, i think you're a dick.
any job is a good job while you're trying to improve your situation. not all are born lucky or have the pieces they were given fall into place with ease. TRP is about self improvement (be the best you can be - work hard to get there) as well.
you have a point about the hamster bit, but jeez get a puppy or something.
puaSenator 11y ago
I think that excuse diminishes at 70...
Plus, sure I'm a bit of a dick being judgmental. Time is limited, so I got to use it effectively, and make quick judgement calls on people's character based off limited information. It's not right, but it's necessity.
abXcv 11y ago
For me personally, it isn't.
I'm just a person who doesn't equate somebody's worth with the way they make their money.
I know plenty of people in low paying jobs who are very artistic, or love to program in their spare time, who are beasts at the gym, or who are great to hang around with.
I don't know why you're being so aggressive here - I'm not saying to take the guys advice on his word because he might be right - I'm saying to analyse the advice on its own merit, then come to your own conclusion.
If you're stood on a bridge, and there is a bin-man on one side telling you to stay where you are, and on the other side is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company telling you to jump - whose advice are you going to take?
puaSenator 11y ago
So what? Then take their advice on art, and not finance.
I am. A prostitute has very low worth in my books because of the way they make their money. I don't care how good or moral of a person they are. In my book -- failure.
What I'm saying is that's ridiculous... That's like when feminists say, "Hey don't judge people based on what they wear." Granted, sure many skinhead looking punk kids could be great amazing awesome people. However, I don't have enough time or care to vet every single skinhead punk I see. Because based off all prior experience, they are overwhelmingly likely to be a shitbag I want nothing to do with.
The same is true with people's claims. I simply don't have enough time to verify and critically think about each and every claim that is made. For instance, I still don't understand entirely hawking's radiation. It's confusing and makes no fucking sense. However, he's a really smart guy and all the other smart scientists agree with him, so all I can do believe them.
In fact, by them saying it, actually gives me MORE reason to try to understand it, because it's likely true and I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to understand something akin to Jews causing 9-11.
So, if I am going to get financial advice from someone I'm going to both take the word from an expert with a proven track record, and likely consider and think through this persons opinion as well, because they've shown to me that their opinion is not just some random guys opinion.
However, I am not going to get financial advice from a guy working at McDonalds. Sure, he could have great advice, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to think it through and mull it over when statistically his advice is likely shit.
That's a terrible example. A CEO of a fortune 500 company has no relevance to the situation. I don't judge people's opinion based on their status, but their relevant experience. I'd take an in-n-out employee's advice on cooking a burger well before I take the advice from the late Steve Jobs.
RedPillDad 11y ago
Totally with puaSenator on this... Playing nice and respecting everyone's opinion is a huge waste of your time. You want to ruthlessly manage your personal resources of time, energy and focus if you want to make something of yourself. Giving anyone and everyone a piece of your precious attention in case they got a valuable secret? Fuck that.
mordanus 11y ago
That's something funny about women. They don't have to love you or have lust for you in order to have a relationship with you. They can just get with you and say "Well I can cross relationship/marriage off my bucket list." It doesn't matter who it is with once she hits the wall. Once the concept of them being alone hits them they get terrified of being alone and grasp at anyone. The real trick is to be sought out and not grasped for out of desperation.
foooow 11y ago
To 'guys who want to get married'::::Read and understand what you are dealing with
puaSenator 11y ago
My favorite one is where the girl talks about how she found the perfect man, but he was moving to grad school, so she had to stay behind 2 months before being able to move in with him.
But she just couldn't stand being alone, so a week later she found another guy and dumped the man she loved -- because she couldn't stand being alone for 2 months in a LDR.
Why do I have a feeling this isn't all adding up? Just so happened to find a guy in a week and dump the guy you love? Just like that? On a whim? Nothing was happening before?
30303030303030 11y ago
Shocker.
It's rp 101, that thread, but go tell them that and they won't believe.
EducatedCavemen 11y ago
But. . . but. . .but why would you want to do that 30? these chicks are leaving a life of magic and wonder and you want to destroy that? How dare you.
Like this bitch said
And this bitch
And this bitch
And this bitch
This is not real life, okay 30? This is a book or a "dramedy", love is only for the woman and as long as she has a beta to provide and do as she says, that is true love. You know what? you just don't get it 30!
HellionessDW 11y ago
This one was my favorite
[deleted] 11y ago
Remove the gender and this could be anyone. Generally, the person we love the most is definitely not someone healthy enough to be around all the time.
I have a nice girl now but I definitely don't love her as much as an old psycho Soprano Italian bitch flame of my youth.
RP theory is great but sometimes I think people forget the humanity outside of gender. The battle of testosterone and estrogen is an important thing to discuss but we are all still HUMAN.
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Chet_Manly0987 11y ago
Male Privilege.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
What gets me is these women and manginas over there don't even recognize this story as disgusting or evil. They call it beautiful tragedy and other such shit.
I have been thinking it ever since I got here. Why oh why didn't I take the Blue Pill.
Traz_Onmale 11y ago
The story has all the good tropes: impossible love, plot twists, duty before passion... It's like Dante and Beatrice.
zirzo 11y ago
media and society is slowly reprogramming what is normal and acceptable
stop_talking_ 11y ago
Sexuality is amoral.
through_a_ways 11y ago
Everything is amoral*
sushisection 11y ago
Nobody seems to care about Craig.
Mr_Andry 11y ago
Craig is the one who failed to properly use birth control and married her. He dug his own grave. Why the fuck are we supposed to care about him?
sushisection 11y ago
He got roped in, thinking he was doing the right thing. That's why we should care about him, he fell victim to her fairy tale and is now stuck in a shit situation
updock 11y ago
Because most of us were there at one point in our lives. We just figured it out before we knocked someone up.
[deleted] 11y ago
You can fear drowning in the river, or toucan learn to swim.
[deleted] 11y ago
*you can
Although the thought of a parrot learning to swim is a little humorous.
Tway_the_Parley 11y ago
It's hilarious
[deleted] 11y ago
It's not beautiful and it's not disgusting, it's just how they are -- isn't this "the real TRP takeaway"? ;)
StoicGentleman 11y ago
TRP opens your eyes to the real world. We've all had our visions clouded by ideals, so when the veil is parted it feels like things are disgusting and evil. But they're not, it's just the way things are, have been, and always will be.
Some people say the best path is to opt out of the system. I say find the rules of the system and game them to your advantage. When society seeks to screw you, screw it back harder.
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CrimsonCapsule 11y ago
Well, sure. Be the next Trent Reznor. Problem solved.
Amused Mastery works better for the other 99.999999999%, though
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
Just reading about hypergamy, the carousel, alpha fux/beta bux, etc, is one thing. But when you actually get to see it first hand, straight from the horse's mouth, it can be a shock.
[deleted] 11y ago
You have to forgive yourself (and everyone else) for being disgustingly human.
ProductivityMonster 11y ago
greatest gift I found on this site was seeing human behavior for what is it...pure selfishness.
vacuu 11y ago
Great thread. So much redpill here. Check out the little tidbit at the end.
Ironhigh 11y ago
Be the guy that she'll fantasize after 15 years. Don't be the the guy who wastes his life to supply for a middle aged slut.
rico_montoya 11y ago
"Dated" this young naive aspiring model for a year while I was early in my career and she was finishing up her schooling. I didn't want anything serious, kept it as strictly sexual. She jonesed for more, and now, even years later after she's married to a supplicating beta for years, my phone blows up whenever she's in town, I'll get random e-mails, phone calls and texts from her throughout the year that clearly indicate she wants to get back together but I have long since moved on. I'd throw her the occasional bone TBH if she weren't so goddamn obsessive.
Cross_of_Coronado 11y ago
You know guys. Red Pill is not a religion. It's a theory. And this story is another puzzle piece that fits perfectly and further verifies the theory. There is a movie with Claire Danes, that is very much like this story. She had some caddies thunderloins fuck meet pussy into the plains of oblivion and she could not stop talking about him until she died. IF you are in a relationship with such a person you are the most unimportant person in the world. No matter how much the woman "loves"you. There is only one kind of love between man and woman and it's not for you. Don't. Be. That. Man.
Condorman80 11y ago
Upvote for this poetry.
Cross_of_Coronado 11y ago
Actually the Auto correct on my mobile phone went a little crazy.
Synthtwo 11y ago
I got a question.
There's a story in there about a chick getting super obsessed over her alpha boyfriend and not until he relapses into beta traits does she realize he's physically abusive (or so she says).
How do you guys explain her hamster keeping her in that relationship despite abuse and even coming back to it after leaving him?
Seems to me if her story is true they're both fucked in the head but I'd really like a play by play in a red pill format.
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
Because the alpha tingles she gets from him outweigh the beta.
Dollars to donuts says if he turned into an apologetic whiny bitch overnight she'd be on the next ride outta there and his "abuse" would suddenly be a major problem to her.
johnnight 11y ago
Female love is a form of Stockholm Syndrome
Synthtwo 11y ago
mind = blown
[deleted] 11y ago
Why the fuck do we even bother to search for scientific studies confirming TRP when reddit confirms it every week since forever.
[deleted] 11y ago
Because empirically taking the emotions out of aggregate human behavior removes the one and only leg feminists and detractors have to stand on.
Dreamtrain 11y ago
Militant/vocals feminists will still have a bone to pick with TRP regardless. TRP is clearly about us hating women and thinking of her as inferior, not about men taking control of their lives so they don't go through this disgusting shit.
EducatedCavemen 11y ago
Okay, so first this shit is said.
Then she says this. . .
As soon as another alpha cock passes by or her beta of a husband fucks up, her loyalty is going to shrivel up so fast it's going to look like her vagina.
violent_frame 11y ago
Just to play devils advocate a bit, let's just imagine that this woman did choose to stay with craig due to the pregnancy. Rather than a scenario where she asks Paul to take her in, he says no she stays with Craig.
Anyways, I find this to be a laudable choice on her part, she could have done the 'right thing' in the BP parlance and broke up with Craig on the pretense that she doesn't love him enough. Be a single mom and another kid without a father.
She in fact did do the right thing to build a family. What she did is not so unlike an arranged marriage, from all the Indians I know, men and women seems to be a quite livable arrangement that is filled with real love and concern. I'm frankly a bit sad that I can't I cannot take advantage of that system and get on with the business of starting a family. Which while gratifying and important for children is primarily an economic construct.
But noooo, here in the west we need to be in luuuuuuuv, the tingles and flutters must be in full force, which by their very nature are transitory.
beginner_ 11y ago
She could also have gotten an abortion and left Craig for Paul and all involved would have been off better in the long run.
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TheSKSpecial 11y ago
Shut up, you misogynist shitlord neckbeard virgin creep rape apologist! /s
[deleted] 11y ago
It's physically painful for me to listen to women jerk each other off.
Thank you guys for giving me the cliffsnotes.
T-bear96 11y ago
Holy hell ... I feel sick after reading that.
PrimaxAUS 11y ago
AWALT.
[deleted] 11y ago
god damn. the more i read the stories of what these women put their men through, the more im grateful for my future father and brother -in-law. of course we know that women behave appropriately around men when they are raised and taught correctly. I have never had these issues with my SO, none that stem from a blue pill problem. sure we may argue over what color sheets to get, but thats about it. she isnt trying to control me or the relationship. Im getting ready to grad in may with my BS and do you know what she did to surprise me? 2 days ago she drove up to see me and cooked me a whole fucking chicken with stuffing and greens and the works. she shows she loves me. and you know i showed it back by telling her how thoughtful she was and etc. its not that hard to not play games but that what some women do. me and her have been together since we were 15 going on 24. so she has no need to play games with me since i still get her while she is in her prime. it just saddens me that i see men on reddit and even in my classes dealing with classless women.
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[deleted] 11y ago
My sisters all married major alphas (successful military types with a commanding tone) and my sisters are all miserable because of estrogen (making the men miserable too). I thing RP is great but I would like to see the theory expanded a bit because in my experience, it doesn't fit 100% of the time. They would have been much happier with betas.
I'll admit that I am a beta, although I was major alpha until about 26 when I developed PTSD. I used to have crowds of hot women begging me to date them and that is no lie or exaggeration--a natural without knowing anything about alpha/beta. Me picking up women used to be that a car full of women driving down the street would pull over and say that I was hot and the hottest girl would beg me to fuck her in a park or anywhere immediately. I'm not lying--this happened often and I though it was completely normal and that all men experienced this. My face was attractive but my body was normal and I wasn't that tall. This happened from being a kid will into college. You can image the crash I felt when this attention stopped completely. I experienced life as a hot women, but I was a man. WTF? How does this fit in with RP theory? I was a bit of a sociopath so maybe it was just a vibe? This fits RPT.
I've found an herbal combination that restricts estrogen and boosts testosterone, turning women into that "Olympic woman" tom boy mentality--much less drama and if that is done after growing up, it doesn't affect looks--just the mind. When my girl's estrogen spikes I call it going to "crazy town" and I make her drink a smoothie that basically zaps estrogen.
Also, birth control pills are BAD NEWS and are partly to blame for the decline in female sanity since the '50s. Pouring in estrogen can't be a good idea.
abXcv 11y ago
Well you have to take the stories with a pinch of salt.
Nobody is going to admit they called up the alpha 50 times begging him to get back together with her, and he told her to fuck off.
They're much more likely to say it was mutual, or that he was trying to get back with her, and she refused him.
DeliriousPrecarious 11y ago
So then why use the stories as examples at all. It takes some serious reading between the lines to look at many (or any) of the "original" BFs as "Alphas". Most of the time it sounds like the women left a beta type for a CC ride and regret it. That still supports RP theory but isn't really what the OP is implying is going on.
IWantWhatsReal 11y ago
This so much. A female friend of mine had an abusive jerk as a boyfriend for years, broke up and came back thousands of times, and everytime she broke up, she would tell our group of friends how he was begging for her to come back. As another female friend of ours told us, it was the other way around.
rico_montoya 11y ago
Yep. When the woman says "he called me back wanting to get back together" it's more likely "he was bored and wanted to see if he could get an easy lay that night."
But then again, women are the main character and directors in their movie, the story always gets told the way they want it to.
oldandgreat 11y ago
Im new to this thing, but what are the characteristics of a alpha. Fucking her brain out? Being arrogant, give a fuck about her emotions, are these the essentials? Im very confused.
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/
foooow 11y ago
It's not okay if he does it, but it's totally fine for me! Ever wonder why there are no good women leaders or philosophers?
sushisection 11y ago
I bet this is Diane Feinstein, talking about her early years as a cunt
foooow 11y ago
This exact situation happened to Alysse Rosenbaum (Ayn Rand) - it led to everyone abandoning her--she died the lonely bitter scumbag that she was.
needsomehelp3211 11y ago
If there was ever a perfect Redpill thread from r/askwomen, this is it.
A few prime case studies:
throwawaycuzhusband: Dates a guy named Paul for a while, clearly an alpha because he keeps her salivating for him long after they break up. Finally she marries some other chump and gets him pregnant. Guess what? Paul calls her up again and for the last many years, she just can't stop thinking about him. She openly admits that while she appreciates her husband's cash and provider status, Paul is her only true love and will be the only one she ever felt passion for.
TheWorstIndianAlive: The name says it all. 28-y.o. Indian woman who went on a furious carousel-riding journey through college. Dated a beta but couldn't put up with him because he was so supplicating. Dated an alpha who then broke up with her. Now she's gone through a laundry list of men and desperately needs her parents to get her an arranged marriage.
Salamandrattackforce: Dated a guy named Scott throughout college. He was a great boyfriend, perfect really. Well, he moves away for grad school and the plan was for her to follow him later on. Guess what? A week after he leaves, this chick starts sleeping with a guy who is a "convicted rapist, "smoked pot every single moment of free time", and "had an awful temper". Now she misses Scott but thank god, he won't take her back.
Take home point: If you marry a girl who is in her late 20s or 30s, her best years are already behind her. She's already had wonderful relationships and cherished memories. She'll constantly pine about the one who got away, and will force a smile when she's in your presence just so you will keep the cash flowing. In reality, she'll think of you nothing more than an ATM.
watersign 11y ago
Damn straight dude. Marriage is basically an ATM card for women.
InternetFree 11y ago
LMAO! That's just the best part!
And people say this is an "inhuman practice showing the patriarchy of any country that employs such an outdated institution".
Bullshit. It gives total failures the chance to still get a provider.
gstvtrp 11y ago
THIS SO MUCH
rztzz 11y ago
To be fair --I'm a guy and I'm the same way. If not worse.
I dated a 9/10 girl from age 19-22 --aka the hottest years of her life. She was also incredibly smart and interesting, and we had a passionate relationship.
I fear that no girl is going to compare in the future.
[deleted] 11y ago
My favorite was the one where she left her "perfect" fat pimple faced boyfriend who gave her flowers all the time for a "6' 3", slender" iron-jawed alpha who abused her (when he wasn't ignoring her or fucking the shit out of her) and according to the story literally held her down and raped her, but she straight up admits that she thinks about him all the time and still harbors a "strange love" for him. Nothing else about pimple-flower boy was ever said.
isthatyourdaughter 11y ago
Women don't want to be loved, they want to be owned. Fatass never tried to own her. Tall abuser guy did.
down_with_whomever 11y ago
poetry
hashtagpound2point2 11y ago
Like a Nicolas Sparks book!
sushisection 11y ago
Made me cry, thank you for this beauty
rico_montoya 11y ago
Obvious hamstering in her mind. That shit never happened.
[deleted] 11y ago
I have no idea whether it did or not. What's telling, is that even if it did, she still harbors more intense and loving feelings towards him than any other man in her life.
gekkozorz 11y ago
He's a stone cold dark triad alpha. If he did rape her, she liked it, if he didn't, she wanted him to.
through_a_ways 11y ago
Also, if she didn't harbor those retroactive fond feelings, there's a strong chance that guy could be a convict by now.
newpopehere1 11y ago
A woman I know, cant go into details. Got knocked up by an alpha who got her pregnant and ditched her to marry another girl. She made poor choices all her adult life is single in her late 40's and cant seem to know why she 'fell" for assholes. She has a 20yr old son and points out how her son has the alpha characteristics of the guy who knocked her up. Shes a 3 time divorcee and when i ask her why she choose so poorly, she replies "I dont know!!!!"
johnnight 11y ago
Sexy son hypothesis
sushisection 11y ago
I'm starting to think that women need RP just as much as men.
StoicGentleman 11y ago
Everyone needs TRP, but women will never realize it. Nor will most men. And that's perfectly ok imo.
through_a_ways 11y ago
Don't make the competition worse.
StoicGentleman 11y ago
who's the competition? If you're talking about other men, then yes I would rather them be worse. It makes me look better in comparison.
WeAreAllSheep 11y ago
Thanks for the cliffs on the gems.
newpopehere1 11y ago
THIS^this^this
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W-Z-R 11y ago
I'm a 20 year old guy with a bit of a thing for older women, so the fact I am saying this, probably says rather a lot
If she is late 20's or early 30's and is not married, there must be a reason and that reason is that for them marriage isn't what they really want, fucking around with Alpha's and getting their drinks paid for by Beta's is what they actually want from life. They only "choose" to settle down, when that literally becomes the best option for them besides becoming a crazy cat lady. Of course she will rationalise it saying "I was having fun before and now my
Beta chumplovely husband is the good care giver" but if she really wanted that, she would have done it age 24 max.1independentmale 11y ago
Sometimes, not always. Often they're completely fucking crazy and no man will have them. I've met some girls who seemed cool at first, but spend some time with them and you start to see the insane little devil inside.
needsomehelp3211 11y ago
It takes a special kind of retard to think that I formed my worldview via one example.
No. The behavior I describe has been witnessed over and over through time immemorial. But this linked thread is just one good example of a long-running trend.
Gfresh405 11y ago
If that were the case then women would just go after money, but in reality most women don't care that much about money.
gekkozorz 11y ago
You're right, that's why Rush Limbaugh and Donald Trump are currently married to 10's. Because of their good looks and charm.
kborz1 11y ago
They do. That's why the golddigger stereotype exists.
Gfresh405 11y ago
Oh a stereotype exists therefore it must be true. Money alone will not get you laid. Obviously some women care about money, but some women care about the length of a man's hair. They are both moot points.
sushisection 11y ago
Women are attracted to status. In today's society, money = status.
kborz1 11y ago
Except women liking long hair is not a stereotype.
Zaorish9 11y ago
There is a strong base reason for every stereotype. If you cannot see this you are either too stupid or remain brainwashed by an ideology. Clear the filth from your eyes, the sooner the better.
The average women desires a man with power, purpose, and/or popularity. Money is strongly related.
Gfresh405 11y ago
Related, but not the same.
[deleted] 11y ago
Nigga what the fuck are you talkin bout?
p3ndulum 11y ago
Man's never heard of prostitution before.
TheStoneyVibes 11y ago
Are...are you new here?
MagicGainbow 11y ago
More like...why are you here?
Gfresh405 11y ago
I should have worded that better; women for the most part aren't attracted to money.
sushisection 11y ago
You are delusional man.
jelloba 11y ago
HUE
Women aren't attracted to money itself, you're right about that. They are attracted to status, however, and money translates to status.
TheStoneyVibes 11y ago
Word it however you want its still wrong. Hahah
InternetFree 11y ago
Yes.
Yes, they do.
You are either alpha or you are a providing bitch (i.e. a walking ATM). Well, some people are both, which will make that woman think "jackpot". Why do you think popstars are sorrounded by women?
too_long_didnt_read 11y ago
Financial security is incredibly important to women, and it only gets more important post wall. That's why they are happy with a beta provider for their post wall existence, where pre wall he couldn't get near the cock carrousel she was riding.
Gfresh405 11y ago
It's not important to women. It's important to people to live, period. Sometimes in TRP it's like the blind leading the blind.
too_long_didnt_read 11y ago
We're specifically discussing financial security in the context of it's importance to women when choosing a mate pre and post wall.
You're either too stupid to understand the difference between that and anyone wishing to be financially secure, or you're trolling.
watersign 11y ago
GO back to SRS u phaggot.
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There are a lot of girls in their late 20s and early 30s who live with their parents and pretty much have never been in a relationship because of their religious upbringing.
They dont typically go bar hopping or create a dating site profile, girls that do that typically fit ops pov but I see your point.
W-Z-R 11y ago
Lol
so naive
Religious women do all sorts of dirty stuff and they hide it like nothing else, your boy W-Z-R knows from experience...
Hyooge 11y ago
Goes to show girls don't need to "find themselves" by shagging loads of randoms just so they fit in to the feminist idealism. It lowers their SMV over time, they find it harder to emotionally connect to one man and they often ditch a solid man so they can do what all their girlfriends do. They regret it because they become less attractive as they age and men don't want them for anything more than a fuckhole. Take responsibility. For once.
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
This thread also re-emphasizes something important that Red Pill men tend to overlook:
The thing about administering the Red Pill to women...is precisely that it needs to be administered to them. They won't take it themselves.
Men are driven to the Red Pill out of necessity, out of dire want, driven by their smouldering sex drives or their fatal nihilism after a bitter divorce rape.
But women are passive. They play a safe game, and when a life decision doesn't work out, they often don't fix it - they simply endure it until something else (hopefully) comes along.
Red Pill Women are not born. They're not even self-made. They're made by YOU.
Find your woman and teach her.
[deleted] 11y ago
What do you mean by teach her? Just show her what the TRP is about? I'm confused what exactly the point of showing her TRP would accomplish.
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
No. Talking explicitly about TRP is the last thing you want to do with a girl.
When I say teach, I mean teach her how to be a proper lady. How to please you, how to defer to your authority, how to love you, how to trust your protection, and how to fulfill and even appreciate her female role.
The problem with modern women (and men, for that matter) is that we have no good gender role models. Our culture has systematically stigmatized gender roles. Since culture won't help in this process of rehabilitation, it is left to the individual man to educate his women.
Areimanes 11y ago
Aptly described as branch swinging like Donkey Kong. She won't leave her current boyfriend unless she has a new one lined up.... up until the point she hits The Wall and will desperately cling to any branch that can hold her weight while she plummets down.
Every time I read these stories, I think back to <20 year old me who had these foolish notions of 'love' and what it was supposed to entail. I'm glad I found TRP when I did over a year ago.
through_a_ways 11y ago
+1 for the appropriate metaphor
HarleyWalker 11y ago
The problem is generational because they should be made by their parents and the father's input is particularly what is at fault here, setting a very poor example.
Dreamtrain 11y ago
I concur with this, I don't think its within an adult to try to save another at least in this manner. I understand the motivation is distinct, but I see it a bit akin to trying to "save" a girl from her issues, a common mistake when you still believe in the fantasy of the blue pill.
ColdEiric 11y ago
I wish I could give you more upvotes for your comment. Your comment is simply worth much more than one. Thanks for the redpill, HumanSockPuppet. Stuff like this is why I subscribe to TRP.
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Well said
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HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
That's good to hear.
But remember, we're talking about women in general. Stow your solipsism.
Lady_Motido 11y ago
I would not have made that leap without my husband's help. It's humiliating but true, I was waiting for something to fix it and that something was my husband.
[deleted] 11y ago
My man introduced me to RP thought even though he didn't know about/call it RP. His introduction to it came from the Sterling Men's Weekend, and later I went to the Women's Weekend. Only recently did I find the RP sites/threads and I showed it to him to confirm and refresh what we learned at our weekends.
[deleted] 11y ago
i have to second this...even though i was pretty naturally RP and never had been an alpha widow, my hubs frame and masculinity definitely RPed me up the rest of the way lol
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
And we're happy to do it.
As a dominant personality type, part of the pleasure for me of being with a woman is being able to lead her, mentor her, and watch her grow.
Men walking the path of the Red Pill will often learn to develop and re-embrace these dominant tendencies, and women will enthusiastically follow.
I'm convinced that it is the natural state of heterosexual relationships.
buddhabullshit 11y ago
Exactly. If her first guy would have gone after her, they would probably be married and she wouldn't have these horrible nagging doubts. The fact that she can't even talk to him pretty much says it all. The CC ruined life for her and what's sad is you see other women trying to rationalize it.
through_a_ways 11y ago
Sounds like he was just a "greater beta" or something like that.
She broke up with him to sleep around, and refused his advances, then when she was ready to marry him for providership, he said no.
So she found an even less attractive provider, in Craig.
betawhiteknight 11y ago
What's the CC?
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betawhiteknight 11y ago
We could argue that it was her own poor judgement "I need babies with this guy because I can't find better than Paul".
[deleted] 11y ago
Why?
what do women have to add to a man's life? I though being RP was all about self-improvement, and being the best individual you can be and living for yourself.
Why would I want to put in the effort of training a bitch, after I come home from work tired and drained? Whats the payoff? What is a woman but a parasite in this situation?
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
You're still in stage 2, but I understand exactly where you're coming from, because I too was there.
Women actually have a great deal to add to your life. They will go to the ends of the earth to please you, to care for you, to make you happy, if you would only give them your guidance.
Behind the veneer of every boiling feminist lies a woman who wants to be led, and who is eager to please a man who understand how to harness her potential.
A woman is a valuable resource in which to invest. That's why we're here figuring out which buttons do what.
stop_talking_ 11y ago
I feel you man but I'd advise against straight up bitterness towards them. You're still thinking of it from a selfish point of view. They need your direction. Do it righteously and they will add whatever value to your life that you need. Or not, and then fuck them. That's where self improvement comes in. Makes you less vulnerable to their inherent capriciousness.
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
Let him have his bitterness. He needs to come to terms with it. He's still in stage 2.
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A woman can make a wonderful sidekick.
Epicureanist 11y ago
Of course he's thinking about it from a selfish viewpoint, it's his life their going to affect. If you were going to spend considerable time and/or money doing something you'd consider how it affected your life.
And he raised a solid point, sex aside, what do women offer in a relationship? Very little. Is this worth the cost (time, shit tests, alimony if married, etc.) of having a woman in your life? Probably not.
In whatever situation/lifestyle he's leading, the cost of long term woman is much greater than the return. And I'd probably agree with him.
We_Are_Legion 11y ago
This is what new people don't get. You only know how to get laid. The same question could be offered for every single relationship of your life. Is your answer being a selfish hermit? Or endlessly filling yourself with unjustified and pointless hate for every person who in your mind and limited experience does not offer you something you want?
For now, continue on your course. You can be bitter. But be humble to the possibility that your perspective has room to grow. That you've not seen all there is to see.
PUArtistry was never about happiness. A human has more needs than just sex. A man is not merely a sperm dispenser and a woman, a baby factory.
You are making everything about the sexual marketplace. As if that is the only thing that exists. If you were an unintelligent animal, I would agree with you.
EDIT: HumanSockPuppet brought up a good point. You're stage 2 red pill. There is a happier stage to be in than anger.
[deleted] 11y ago
The correct answer is that mating and pairing off with a women (or a series of women) is a biological imperative. Going against that will be uncomfortable. Thanks for playing.
Epicureanist 11y ago
Why do you assume I'm hateful and full of vitriol? You can believe what you want, but I'm not particularly angry or shocked. I just see it matter of fact that women in a relationship provide little value compared to cost it takes to keep them faithful and happy in such a relationship.
The same question should be applied to other relationships. What value does this person add to my life? Friends and Family who don't provide much benefit to my life, get removed. People who I find valuable and interesting, I try to keep in my life. Whenever I'm back in my home town, I'll usually go out for drinks with my old highschool philosophy teacher, hit up my old guitar teacher, and visit an old lady who took me driving. These people all add more value to my life than a long term girl does, and although it's sometimes inconvenient, the cost of meeting them is always worth it.
I'm not angry dude. Painting me as angry and my viewpoint as one that needs to be outgrown is much easier than critiquing it, but does little to convince me or anyone like me it's untruthful. As I said, I just see that as how it is. Women take take take, but they do very little giving.
We_Are_Legion 11y ago
Alright, I bought into the stereotype. You're not angry. Given.
Earlier I assumed that you were thinking in terms of a purely material exchange on the sexual market. But now that you yourself gave examples of the friends and family, it makes it easier to state my point.
You say your old teachers for philosophy and guitar, and your driving companion from earlier are providing value to your life, that the cost of meeting them is always worth it. In a way, they make you happy.
How?
They provide interesting conversation. Maybe a favour here and there. They care about you. Generosity towards them and from them makes for a good exchange. [Put or remove stuff here, you know better than me]
And why?
They are compatible people. You have good history and shared values. There are things you can learn from them. You are a social animal that likes company.
I'm sorry, this is where others reading get the impression of a lack of perspective. Logically, why exactly would a woman be incapable of fulfilling these criteria? Maybe even exceed?
It doesn't make sense. There are lots of educated, insightful women in many fields. They could be generous, kind-hearted individuals or well-read or travelled or have a tremendous variety of good qualities that are invaluable in a companion. A companion who has the potential to make lots of good history. Of course, none of them are perfect, but then who is? This isn't me arguing for a unicorn. This is me trying to make the case that whats happening here is perhaps, a failure of imagination.
Like I said bluntly earlier(hey, this is /r/TRP), but I really apologize, I forgot to actually emphasize it as the meat of my post:
I don't know you, but let's assume you're meeting women in your locality. Starting flings, each showing whatever portion of your value you think the other is seeking in the quickest time possible. You say women don't add value besides sex. How much value do you add back, that's never reciprocated? Dinner? A car ride? The initiation of dates? Your wonderful, wonderful personality?
Let's say you've gone through ~5 of these girls, when you find one that interests you. And you move beyond fling. You remember how clueless you were during BP days? Well, that's how women still are. They are absolutely clueless about what a man wants. Their game has always been easy. Because sex is an OP weapon. They don't know how to apply femininity, like you didn't about masculinity. Especially western women.*
Moreover, women are crippled by their nature to be biased towards men who are unlikely to show her value beyond alpha traits, and they constantly complain that all men just want sex. They're jaded. Like you. And they're victims of feminism in a way too, via a princess mindset. Cast in that role they don't really want to be in. Not really.
So what now? Is this new game un-winnable? No, its just another level. With new mechanics. And you sir, you...
RP women aren't born. They're made. Most women are clueless about what you want. Show them. There is lots of material written on Long-term game. I recommend this fellow named Occam'sUsername. Chat him up on the IRC too for good insight on specific queries.
Its not for no reason some of the older members are adamant about this: the success or failure of any relationship, without exception, is your fault.
How much value they provide you. How much they give, that depends on you too. I know this guy who does nothing but chat with women. Yet he gets gifts worth serious cash all the time. He visits them overseas and gets the royal treatment. He fucks with impunity too. Granted, he has literally been a male model. But yeah, its possible.
*I'm Asian myself and live in a conservative society. Sometimes I pity you guys. Lots of educated yet homely, chaste and wonderful women here still.
bukkake_news 11y ago
Lol the fucking comments make me want to barf
What the fuck is this dork talking about?
Jesus women are such emotional faggots sometimes
Please just shut the fuck up already. I can't date American women anymore they think life is a daytime Television show or a Nicholas Sparks novel (I don't even know who that is but I'm sure he writes emo-porn bullshit). I'm sure my Korean girlfriend is the same but the language barrier keeps me from knowing for certain.
bitchdantkillmyvibe 11y ago
This comment made me cry, fuckin owned it. That thread was repulsive. That first faggot you quoted, wow, shove your liberal arts degree down your throat and die.
Lord_Varys 11y ago
So are men. What's your point?
[deleted] 11y ago
This shit almost made me snarf my drink.
Zahoo 11y ago
I like that this is the only place on reddit where comments that aren't PC, and sometimes offensive to some people can get upvoted. Reminds me of reading about college "speech codes" where it would be punishable to say racist/offensive things but someone argued against it saying at college, you are trying to learn and discover things, and this process might sometimes lead someone to a racist or offensive thought; but this shouldn't be a crime. We can't figure things out by only staying on the PC side of the fence.
It will be a sad day when comments like this are no longer a part of the discussion.
gekkozorz 11y ago
It's part of the reason people hate us so much, but also part of the reason this place is such a safe haven for us. A lot of the things we recognize as being truths are not possible to say in the "real world" where you have to tread on PC eggshells.
cxj 11y ago
Political correctness is designed to limit potential thought and thus to control people. Society doesn't want us to come to the conclusions TRP has because then we will know where our true incentives lie and pursue them, which goes against societies interests.
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through_a_ways 11y ago
Nope. All women the world over are the same.
You just think they're not because when you go into China/Russia/3rd world/non-white country, you get status points from being white/American/western.
They don't worship you because of them, they worship you because of you.
EagerJewBear 11y ago
BRB. Leaving America.
StarkAtheist 11y ago
After dating a Brazilian woman and a chick from the Czech Republic, dating an American woman is like allowing another Holocaust...
NEVER AGAIN.
Namerali 11y ago
Upvoted for the reference and 'cause it's TRUE.
rico_montoya 11y ago
Considering the popularity of "The Notebook" where that little minx Rachel McAdams is a total disloyal slut, no surprise these hamsters love this shit. The more I read TRP, you'll notice that most popular media embody Blue Pill principles. The few that don't are either so well done that they're applauded as critical genius (The Wire, Sopranos, Breaking Bad to a lesser degree except that Walter White became a fucking 'dickbag' to everyone when he mans up) or shit on (Two and a Half Men) for being misogynistic filth.
fokm 11y ago
How is The Wire red pill?
I watched the entire series before learning about TRP. I'm having a hard time seeing how it's red pill.
rico_montoya 11y ago
Red Pill in that it shows things in a rather realistic light rather than the PC bullshit most shows illustrate.
[deleted] 11y ago
Both Avon and Stringer Bell are different styles of RP leaders I would say. Stringer through gritty realism (able to evaluate the entire landscape cerebrally and then do what needs to be done, such as killing DeAngelo behind Avon's back). Avon is your more charismatic leader who keeps everyone in line, maintains the hierarchy of generals and whatnot. I've only seen about 2 seasons and I would say that its RP in that it tries to show the reality of crime, rather than being some "badass cops versus Scarface-ripoff drug dealers!" show. The reality being that it is a pyramid setup just like business, where the manipulative / dominant types quickly rise to the top and the idealistic / clueless BP types are used for some menial task and then they either die or go to jail.
Namerali 11y ago
Ugh. Thanks for the spoilers dude. :(
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fokm 11y ago
McNulty isn't the best example (though the redhead lawyer upgrading to the black guy is an example), however the lesbian couple is dead on.
I never considered it a Red Pill show though, just ultra realistic, which TRP deals with: reality. Makes me wonder why Blue Pillers love the show so much.
[deleted] 11y ago
Whenever women say the word existential, 'consciousness', etc, I know it's a bunch of hamster bullshit. You fucked your own life up - there is no cosmic existential force that nihilistically ordained that you must experience emptiness. But when you say it all "poetically" aka using words you learned in English 101 back in college, it makes you feel validated. Which is of course why the author of the first reply responded like that. It's basically the perfect female circlejerk
gekkozorz 11y ago
Exhibit A: most, if not all women have rape fantasies.
But they will call it "ravishment," because that sounds moe like what Christian Grey does to Anastacia Steele.
Laur-Ent 11y ago
There's a big difference. I know what it's like to be sexually attacked and I know what it's like to be lovingly 'ravaged'.
The biggest difference is that one is consensual and one is not. One is positive and exiting and with the right person. The other is traumatising and dangerous and wrong (and illegal), also possibly with someone who hasn't washed their penis in 5 days and doesn't care if they seriously harm you.
sway_usa 11y ago
Aka it's "rape" if a beta does it and "ravishment" if it's an alpha.
Gentlemen, take note.
Laur-Ent 11y ago
No. If you believe that then you're just as bad as the other deluded misogynistic dbags who fester here.
The man who sexually abused me (when I was 13) was someone who you would call an alpha. He was charming and pretty handsome and had me wrapped around his little finger. He was also head boy at my school. He was 19 and everybody respected him. For some fucked up reason he wanted to have sex with me despite my age and the fact we were really just friends. When I said no he got ragingly drunk and violent and proceeded to gag me with his rancid dick for 3-4 hours straight.
He was 'alpha', so therefore it must have been consensual right? It was ok that a man forcedly choked a 13 year old with his cock because he was attractive and domineering?
InternetFree 11y ago
As a man who also has a Korean girlfriend and can understand her: Yes, you can be absolutely certain she is the same. Actually, I assure you she is worse.
Korean women are the worst when it comes to this shit. Superficial, deluded about love and happiness, living in Disney princess fantasies.
However, they are incredibly loyal and will do anything you want from them. Like, literally anything. Especially when it comes to sex.
And their superficial attitude will make them very self-conscious about their looks and their behaviour. They never behave like sluts (even if they are), they are never loud and obnoxious, they are never bitchy, and they always take perfect care of their body. Going to the gym, dieting, putting on perfect make-up, perfect outfits. It's amazing. Especially the fact that they can wear these ultra-mini skirts and just look amazing with that perfect Asian skin.
Never going back, regardless how deluded they are.
bukkake_news 11y ago
I think my girlfriend might be a sociopath or something, she seems cold-hearted (I don't mind at all). I thought this was a Korean thing but maybe it's just her.
You're dead-right about the sex thing, my gf treats our sex like it's her most important job in the world, she even showers me after we're done. Totally self conscious too, eye surgery, boob surgery, every kind of expensive face cream you could imagine, it's ridiculous. She's going to look 25 forever because she refuses to let the sun touch her skin.
She's pretty cool, she even apologized to me after she had a miscarriage like she failed or something, my American ex would have blamed me and resented me for something like that but this Korean girl took full responsibility (which she didn't need to do, it was nobody's fault obviously).
InternetFree 11y ago
To be honest, the cold-heartedness might be due to disillusion. Korean guys are pretty ruthless.
Usually girls will be cheated on without her knowing and the girl will find out when the guy posts a cutie-picture of himself with his new girlfriend on facebook sorrounded by hearts. And then she will still fight for that douchebag...
Although Korean guys look and behave like betas - carrying their girlfriend's handbags whenever they can, opening all doors, paying for everything (that one was really weird to me, they pay everything), apologizing all the time, doing all the fucked up over-the-top cute shit with them, buying them jewelry, talking about kids and marriage, etc. - they absolutely aren't. They are huge assholes. And I mean... massive assholes. They treat their girlfriends like princesses but the moment the girl looks away they will immediately fuck another one. They will usually treat their friends better than her. And so on.
So, your girlfriend just might have the attitude of "this guy will cheat on me anyway, so I better not get my hopes up that high and just make the best of it". Or maybe she is just adapting to you and trying to be the way you like her best. Most likely if you show her nice feelings she will warm up quickly and be all lovey-dovey (if you want that). However, do that when you are young, it seems that once you are older she will get used to being cold-hearted and once you start being all cute and clingy they will consider you weak and ultimately start hating you (even if they like it).
Sociopathy definitely isn't unlikely among Korean girls to be honest. I don't think there are many Korean girls (nor guys) without some degree of personality disorder. It happens due to their lifestyle.
Also, yeah, all those surgeries. They really do take that seriously. My girlfriend never had a surgery and because of that is incredibly proud of her body, so she always makes fun of people who had surgery. "Oh, look at her, she obviously had nose surgery, I look better than her without surgery, aren't you proud of me?"
Korean girls are fucking mean. However, last year my girlfriend got a skin infection on her face and she had huge pimples all over her face for several months. Holy shit, she was crying all the time and I thought she was going to kill herself. So, while I love the fact that Korean girls all look perfect, it's really not only borderline crazy. They actually are crazy.
bukkake_news 11y ago
lol, great conversation, I appreciate the insight.
Condorman80 11y ago
Beautiful. Thanks for writing all this out.
the_real_chronos 11y ago
Holy fuck I need a Korean girlfriend. How'd you guys get one?
bukkake_news 11y ago
Went to Louis Vuitton to buy some new sunglasses, saw a hot Asian woman, took her to lunch, told her I wanted to come over later, brought along a sling bikini for her to wear, had intercourse, called her a week later, before you know it she's my girlfriend.
If you want one just go get one. You can do it, no problem.
the_real_chronos 11y ago
Alpha as fuck.
That was awesome, man. Sadly, I have never seen a korean girl around in my area. Might have to move out a bit but they are incredibly rare in my state, you could say.
Areimanes 11y ago
When I was still plugged in, this was always my greatest fear - having some woman settle for me after she'd gone through every ride at the local fair and only loving me for what I could 'bring' to the table.
If there's still a man who believes in the typical love story as formed by Hollywood: stop living in denial and read this thread.
My blood pressure is elevated just by reading this shit, because there are plenty of good men slaving away their lives for wives that don't really love their husbands. Eventually that will come to a halt when their wives can't take it any more (after 'giving him everything and more') and divorce rape the guy while riding the CC once again looking for that 'true love'.
Here's an update from her in the same thread:
I am speechless. I can't form any words. The hamster in her is so massive, it might crush the very fabric of the universe.
WeAreAllSheep 11y ago
"I'll never let go Jack!"
Yeah that about sums it up.
Timehhhh 11y ago
Mental Olympics then and now: http://i.imgur.com/O7cm1Fr.gif
Very excited for the future of the sport.
behringer__ 11y ago
This is rich
DesignRed 11y ago
I absolutely love stories like this. What I took away from this story was quite different than what was posted in the OT. There were plenty of people who were outraged, and said "oh poor craig" because Craig was deprived of his true love. She was ready to jump ship and realized she was pregnant. She still went to Paul and told him that, in the hopes that he would "man up" for his love and take her anyways. Paul being an alpha, did no such thing. So now she "made the choice" of being with her beta provider who was stable and safe and clueless of the situation. Craig got exactly what he deserves, a loveless safe marriage that will most likely end as soon as the child is grown up.
blazingcopper 11y ago
And the pregnancy "just happened unintentionally"
johnnight 11y ago
What is left for guys like Craig is to harden their hearts and consider the wife a paid incubator and nanny for the child. The child deserves his love.
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Craig has no clue.
LastRevision 11y ago
"When I was still plugged in, this was always my greatest fear - having some woman settle for me after she'd gone through every ride at the local fair and only loving me for what I could 'bring' to the table."
Same here, re: former blue pill anxiety. This is actually what began my red awakening two or three years ago; I realized the sad fact that this is the case more often than not in long-term relationships and it made me sick.
lucifa 11y ago
I think most men are aware of this, but for some reason marriage is so ingrained into the psyche as the 'right thing to do', they go along with it regardless. Especially in generations past, providing for your wife and family was your prime function in life. People just wanted to get by from one day to the next. These days there are so many options and possibilities, being single just seems such a more sensible option for a man long-term.
rico_montoya 11y ago
Some co-workers were rambling on about How I Met Your Mother this week as the finale is upon us. Unfortunately, I've been subjected to some of this show as one of my plates watches it a lot after we bone.
That show summarizes the Blue Pill to the 9th degree. A fucking blue pill fantasy through and through. The main guy, Ted, is such a blue pill beta that it's painful to watch how clueless he is. But then again, the whole show's narrative is that he'll get his happily ever after and I'm sure beta's and douchers everywhere cling to that fantasy.
I also saw an episode where the red-head chick tells her husband that she settled for him and he reached for her. WTF? She's a hard 5, 6 at best if you like gingers, and in the show a Kindergarten teacher. He's a Columbia Law graduate. Wtf? He's way beyond her in any sense of the imagination.
I'm also starting to think that Reddit's narrative that "PUA's manipulate women into sex" is largely based on Barney Stinson's idiotic ploys to get laid. Considering reddit's infatution with this Blue Pill show, a lot more makes sense after seeing parts of that shitty ass show.
smokeybehr 11y ago
Never seen an episode of HIMYM, and I'm thinking that I'm better for it.
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I've been forced to watch a few episodes myself and frankly I think marshal is the only salvageable dude on there.
Silverbacked 11y ago
I'm going to have to disagree with your ranking of Alyson Hannigan there. In her prime she was a 10 and is still at the very least an 8.
rife_omeqa 11y ago
Different strokes for different folks.
I never found her attractive.
lesbianDREAMS 11y ago
She was cute at the start of the show but now her age is starting to show badly. She was definitely never a 10
1independentmale 11y ago
The really fucked up part here is the life her poor husband Craig has to lead. His happy wife is a complete lie. She thinks about Paul every day while forcing smiles and sex with her husband.
Deep inside, he knows he's second best to her. He just can't admit it or hasn't fully figured it out yet, but one day this fantasy will come crashing down on both of them and their children.
Areimanes 11y ago
I'm guessing a form of the latter. He might think there's something wrong, but he will look at the wrong person - himself instead of her - to blame. Women can be great actresess if they give you emotional validation - what betas crave more than anything - all the while secretly despising you.
1independentmale 11y ago
You nailed it. He looks to himself because she gaslights the fuck out of him. Her attitude is "there's nothing wrong and if you think there is, you're the one with the problem." It's how they operate.
I should know, I was married to one for 15 years who didn't start loving me until I became successful and started making progress on my climb out of betaville. Got my first blow job from her a week after I told her I wanted a divorce. The first 14 years she was a "good girl" who "didn't do that." She sucked me on the daily for about a year but it was too little, too late. I left her ass anyway. Nothing she could have said or done would have made up for a decade and a half of cruelty.
emptyform 11y ago
This was how all of my BP relationships were at the end. Chilling to see it described.
dsav2 11y ago
The disturbing part is that this is somehow a great romance to /r/askWomen... How can their brains rationalize this as something other than a gigantic betrayal?
She settled for Craig for the money, while constantly dreaming of getting pummeled by Paul. And we're supposed to feel sorry for her?
1independentmale 11y ago
Just imagine how terribly a man would be crucified by these bitches if the situation were reversed.
Party_Liquor 11y ago
Woman: Life on easy mode.
Traz_Onmale 11y ago
Impossible passionate love before marrying someone else has always been regarded as great romance
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mobile_link_fix_bot 11y ago
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Lady_Motido 11y ago
The thing that really disgusts me is that she most likely fantasizes about Paul while being with Craig and he is none the wiser.
She even mentions in a comment that she is going to go see a psychiatrist about this because of the guilt, so again she's going to have to deceive Craig because why would she need to go see a psychiatrist when they have such a wonderful marriage; or she has to tell him, which I would assume at that point would ruin their marriage, unless he is really that beta.
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bitchdantkillmyvibe 11y ago
It really is revolting. People in that thread saying her story made them cry, like it's this tragic romance. Holy fucking shit. It is shit like this that makes men hate women.
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jelloba 11y ago
I hope that it ends that way. The guy is living in blissful ignorance that I wouldn't want to disrupt.
GrimyWobbles 11y ago
I disagree. When the kids are grown, out of the house, and finished with college, Mom is going to have a titanic mid-life crisis. The divorce settlement will be epic.
bitchdantkillmyvibe 11y ago
Yep. Vows don't mean shit anymore. That's how it would have played out fifty years ago, but now with the stigma surrounding divorce almost non-existent, that cunt will drop him as soon as those kids ship out, and Craig will have a crisis of gargantuan proportions. And people wonder why we see these double homicides.
Gr8WhiteGrammarNazi 11y ago
Why isn't that your fear anymore?
mightyspan 11y ago
Probably because an alpha dips at the first sign of a hamster or changes the potential SO into a plate, never allowing her access to his heart in a way that can hurt him.
trpMilo 11y ago
Way too late on this comment but NEVER date a girl you've been friends with for awhile. Girls need to go from meeting you to fucking you within 1-2 weeks max for it to be the "passionate whirlwhind" they fantasize about. You don't do that and you're just each other's leftovers.
TheSKSpecial 11y ago
This is damn near sidebar-worthy, it's such a reinforcement of RP.
Can this get a sticky?
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t21spectre 11y ago
I don't know, I think posting CP would be a quicker ban.
Luckyluke23 11y ago
I red the first story in this and I don't think it's all that bad.
everyone has the " one that got away", even me, and I am a red pill kind of man.
I do think she loves her husband. she just loves another man too. in this day an age you should expect that. I don't think her husband is second best. I just think it is what it is. they have a great life together.
Edit: to me, most of the stories sound like life. sure the guys could have been aphal, but how many guys in this world are TURLY alpha, not many. we can tear this whole thread apart or we can just leave it for what it is.
I am in a very poetic mood right now.. . here is a song to reflect that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmUG1ffgKFw
gopher88 11y ago
Wow.... Speechless
seancj133 11y ago
Askbetas snapping out of their slumber and going the way of TRP for this one.
Rollster 11y ago
Made me happy reading those comments, took that bitter taste out of my mouth.
bitchdantkillmyvibe 11y ago
Made me happy at first, until I realized those beta faggots will never truly understand. If I linked them to here I would be downvoted to all fuck.
Ironhigh 11y ago
This one makes me laugh, she cheated on 3 guys riding the same cock and puts the blame on the dude.
30303030303030 11y ago
Have you just met women? It's a regular female behavior.
rico_montoya 11y ago
Lay grade A pipe and bitches always come back. Doesn't matter what you do or how you treat her.
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tylah_duhden 11y ago
It doesn't matter what her reasons are. What matters is that she let a penis inside her that doesn't belong to her SO.
[deleted] 11y ago
Girls dont enjoy sex duh
Zaorish9 11y ago
Good lord, imagine if "Craig" saw this thread. The drama would be epic. If I were him, I can't imagine the amount of humiliation and rage that would ensue. I'm so glad I found TRP.
trudatness 11y ago
They see us as being here for them. That's our purpose - to serve them.
Lady_Motido 11y ago
I'm wondering if she isn't subconsciously wanting Craig to find out so she can run back to Paul by maybe leaving her story open on her PC/laptop "accidentally" or something to that effect. Who writes things like this for the entire world to see without thinking, "hey there's a chance I might get caught"?
Sadly, from her description of him he sounds like he would be too beta to realize he should be enraged.
TerryYockey 11y ago
He would probably post to /r/AskWomen asking what he did wrong and how he could go about fixing things.
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Women really are unempathic little cunts, its so sad.
trudatness 11y ago
Did you happen to notice how much they get congratulated for being unempathic cunts?
Makes it more sickening.
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its crazy they don't see it and then wonder why those Alphas or as i like to call them smart guys, didn't want shit to do with them.
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t21spectre 11y ago
You will always find a few pine trees in a red wood forest.
[deleted] 11y ago
As always, NAWALT.
watersign 11y ago
Alpha Fucks, Beta Bux. Marriage is about settling.
ForkBender 11y ago
Abortion? Naah. Let's have shitty life instead.
bsutansalt 11y ago
Alpha widows galore.
GM3d6 11y ago
THis reminds me of why I avoid relationships.
loveofnotes 11y ago
Lololollol, the new thread that's heating up on askwomen is "do you ladies ever find yourselves ignoring your own advice?" And the first post is abouy some woman who "gives great relationship advise" but falls for the bad guy regularly despite how she would advise her friends. Lolololol, hamster!
Modified_Hackware 11y ago
We can do without the lololololol.
Condorman80 11y ago
hahahahahahhahahaha
Namerali 11y ago
The only thought that went through my head the moment after I read that was wondering what crappy romance novel/film/narrative this could be ripped from. This doesn't even make good fiction.
And I wonder how her current husband would think about her drooling over the alpha "she let go" years ago.
lasertits69 11y ago
Revise/Rewrite, explained.
McDoner 11y ago
Guilty.
Mustaka 11y ago
This girl is about as ratchet as they come.
swishandswallow 11y ago
wow
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Jesus, can I get a trigger warning on this? Fuck that made me cringe and grit my teeth.
foooow 11y ago
Very loose definition of "rape". I'll never understand how someone can hold you down while taking your pants off, his pants off, the undewear, and then fuck you for 5-15minutes without you being able to stop him.
MagicGainbow 11y ago
Yeah methinks it was regret sex and not actual rape if she still thinks about and 'loves' him.
TaylorWolf 11y ago
I am constantly surprised by the amount of women who admit they have rape fantasies (with the right alpha dude of course)
foooow 11y ago
I'm not sure you should be surprised seeing as EVERY SINGLE DREAM a girl has that involves sex is RAPE because she can't give consent while she is asleep.
RedDeadRepentance 11y ago
I honestly don't think that story is real.
She starts off by saying, "I suck at writing" then goes on to write one of the most well written comments of reddit. It's a little too perfect.
Dreamtrain 11y ago
To be fair this happens often in pieces written by people who have English as a second language. "Sorry if my english sucks, I'm from X" and then on goes text in english better than most people you could find at the street or a mall.
jsl2837 11y ago
You can be a female Stephen King and still be a slave to your hamster.
Like the Pak Protector. Genius-level IQ, but still a slave to instinct.