*The following is transcribed from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBbIrpU2tc
In one of my first posts I briefly discussed the three main areas for improving your sexual market value; namely, your social status, your wealth and success, and your physique and health. While there are many subcategories within each of these three areas, the area I want to focus on in this article is height; which falls under your physique and health.
A lot of men on RedPill seem to erroneously regard height as the sort of apex of physical achievement. They dwell on their own insecurities, and since society and women places such an emphasis on height they often find themselves fixating on this aspect of their physical form that they cannot change. I’m here to help remove that mindset.
First, let’s begin by navigating your sexual market value. Most people look at this in the form of a scale of a number between 1 through 10.
1 <__5__> 10
In this scale 10 is obviously, ‘handsome,’ 5 is ‘average,’ and 1 is ,’ugly’ or not desirable.
Most short men seem to think that because they are short it instantly puts them at a 3 on the scale simply because they are 5’6. This is far from correct. The maximum any characteristic or attribute can affect you on the scale is +1 or -1. For example, if you are 5’6, the maximum your height can affect you with regards to the scale is by moving you down 1 pt.
Here is a short cheat sheet guide on navigating height:
- 5’0 – 5’6 / -1
- 5’7 – 5’11 / 0
- 6’0 – 6’5 / +1
The only case where you may go up or down on the scale significantly is due to being in an extreme. For example, a billionaire may go up on the scale significantly due to being one of the richest men in the world. Here is the same chart with extremes presented at both ends (and this isn't so black and white).
- 5’0 and below / -2
- 5’1 – 5’6 / -1
- 5’7 – 5’11 / 0
- 6’0 – 6’4 / +1
- 6’5 and above / +2
Secondly, there are certain people and areas where certain traits seem to matter more than others. For example, most women in the world of online dating seem to care more about height and money than women who do not operate in this realm. These women may believe being short reduces your smv by more than one point; but these women are far outside the norm and are typically damaged goods anyway.
Now, I am not going to lie or sugarcoat the fact that height is an important physical attribute for men. However, the biggest way to fail in life as a short man is to fixate on your height as a problem. You cannot change your height. Fixating on it to such an extreme and being insecure about it is where ‘Napoleon Complex’ or ‘Small Man Syndrome’ is derived from, and this will only lead you to failure. Nothing is worse than a man who is weak or insecure over something they cannot change.
Recently, there was a post on RedPill which argued that if you are under 5’5 or 5’7 (basically where height negatively affects your smv) you should invest in lifts because being short is do disastrous to your life you will need fix it or you won’t succeed. In my opinion, this is terrible advice for those men who are short. Like I said before, I agree being short probably places you at a disadvantage in life, but attempting to ‘fix’ your height through lifts is a sign of insecurity and not strength. We mock women for hiding their own flaws through makeup and padded bras, etc and then we adopt a similar strategy? The most RedPill method to fixing your height is simply not caring about it.
Last, I do suggest that if you are short it is almost mandatory to workout and wear decent clothes. On the plus side, as a shorter man it will take you less time to build muscle and look good than someone who is tall. Simply put, they will need 40 lbs of muscle to look the same as you putting on about 20 lbs. Additionally - your attitude and dress can go a long way.
helpicantstop 8y ago
Beyond 6'3 you see diminishing returns, IMO, and above 6'5 you're starting to get back into freakshow territory unless you're an athlete.
There is also a HUGE and noticeable difference between 5'7 and 5'11. I have a friend who is 5'7 and girls call him tiny and short all the time.
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WhiteTrashKiller 8y ago
Again with this height bullshit! This has got to be a millenial thing. In my teens I was no bigger than I am now 66" and it did not matter. This may be due to the fact online dating wasn't around and as men we needed to develop socially to interact with the opposite sex.
Money, Sex, Power!
Have one of the three and you'll be in good shape.
I guarantee you guys with height hangups, that if you make 100k yr, are in great shape (not super jacked, but a low BF muscular physique. Think Pitt in Fight Club) there are few women of your equal size that will flat out refuse you right off the bat.
Now I am not saying it won't happen, but here is your typical scenario. You approach a woman(say 66" cause its comparable). You open her, she says not interested. Do you stick around whining about why not? How do you know she refused your offer due to height? If she responds with a "I don't date short guys", great! You just got a free pass on the"skip the superficial whore train".
Yes it is harder once you open, so make it count. But stop butching about it.....
Wtfisthisgamebtw 8y ago
Hah! A "Short guide"...you punny you.
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I think this has some truth in principle but it's crude. I think that high is important to a degree but at the extremes you'll see a lot of diminishing returns. I doubt that a guy who is 6'4" is one full notch down from a 6'5" guy, especially not to a 5'2"-5'5" woman.
Good advice on not wearing lifts, that is feminine.
nike747 8y ago
They are one full notch down bc the notch has to be somewhere. The point of seperation exists somewhere. In this guys case, he thinks it's 6 foot 4 and 6 foot 5. Whether he's right or wrong, there really is no answer.
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a 6'5", charismatic, billionaire with insane social status and model tier looks + power is basically exclusive only in fiction. Bruce Wayne comes to mind.
WeedDaddy 8y ago
Yet we still fuck them, even if without make-up we wouldn't have even looked at them twice.
Then again, you can't wear lifts in a LTR.
Station_T 8y ago
I don't understand this post. You begin by over-analyzing height using some imaginary point system and then say that height isn't important provided you have the right mindset. A better post would have focused on the latter points, like, "a woman will pick up on the fact that you're insecure about your height and be less attracted to you - stay focused on your strengths and don't pay attention to what you can't change"
Crimson_Cleric 8y ago
I'm 6'4", and while it obviously didn't hurt my prospects, the fact that I was a skinny, white knight, beta bitch did. I knew many cocky 5'5" bushmasters in my youth who kept their dicks wet with enviable regularity.
MyTrapsCauterize 8y ago
You're out of your mind if you think being 5' tall only has a tiny effect on your attractiveness.
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telenoobies 8y ago
Uh hate to break it to you, but his wife is like hb5 ...
Geckobird 8y ago
I'm pretty short and skinny, but I get IOI's more than you'd expect. All girls have different types, but if your confident and know red pill game you can still slay. No excuse not to lift. Can't wait to see where I'll be in a year from now and the year after that.
skippwiggins 8y ago
If you are a 7-9 in the face, shredded, drive a respectable car, then you will have no problems banging a new chick every Fri night. All the bombshells in my town are like midgets so shorter men have it quite easy. However if you are under five foot six may God have mercy on your soul.
Edit:Arnold Shwarz. used lifts in his boots his entire career.
dxfifa 8y ago
Being above 6'5" actually puts you in the freak zone. If you're built you can rock it though. I'd say 6'2"-6'4" is the sweet spot for height. Anyone under like 5'7" is in the same boat unless you're a midget. basically all short dudes are gonna get the same shit.
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If I was that tall I would look weird as hell in my roadster.
dxfifa 8y ago
Yeah, for mine a 6'5"+ guy gets novelty points but for pure attraction they're below the 6'3"/ 6'4" guys.
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vagbutters 8y ago
Shoe lifts are an absolutely must if you're 5'7 or below-- I'd even argue 5'8 and 5'9's could benefit from them. Like it or not, women are turned on by height on good looking men.
Station_T 8y ago
until you take your shoes off lol
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Or wear boots with big heels
Saintmyname 8y ago
I'm 5 10. I've slept with over 200 women. Three were taller than 5 7. Height seriously limits your dating pool. It's my biggest physical problem and I'm average fucking height. Women want you to be taller than them while they're in heels.
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justhereforthelaughs 8y ago
I'm around 5'6" or 5'7". I've generally dated women around my height or taller. The two hottest girls I've been with were both taller. The girl I'm with now is around 5'10" and 10 years younger than me. I'm not a player, I'm not smooth, I'm not handsome or rich or any of that. Height matters, I'm sure I could do better if taller, I've had girls tell me I'm too short, online dating it hurts more, blah blah blah. I'm sure it takes points off, but, it doesn't stop you. I think your example, being "average" height and still sleeping with 200 women proves my point as much as yours.
Saintmyname 8y ago
I'm sure you're right and I see men with taller women enough to know it happens. It just doesn't happen to me. But height plays a huge role in male/female selection.
Trigger-Me-Daddy 8y ago
I've seen heavy emphasis on male height from fat girls a lot. I assume that stems from wanting to feel protected by a man, therefore, wanting to feel smaller than the man - obviously difficult when you are 300 lbs, resulting in demanding 6'+.
Bill_Gates187 8y ago
omg being short has literally ruined my life, i kid you not. Being short = automatic like at least -5 from a total of 10 for women. We have to try MUCH harder. But that makes us even more disposable. 6ft guys must be loving it now.