For you younger guys, you don't know, but the Red Pill is just another version of an almost two decades old community. Some of the guys are really old, like heading into their 70s old. A lot of stuff is b/s and I hope you wise up to recognize who's just trying to sell you b/s and dreams.
Mystery (Erik) developed the Mystery Method back in 1999-2000. If you read a lot of the theory in the side-bar you'll find that much of it originated from The Mystery Method, Neil Strauss's The Game, Green's 48 Laws of Power, and David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating.
Most successful men (with women) eventually leave the game because they choose their businesses or families. Mystery chose his family, well, he got the oneitis, she was terrible for him, and he eventually had kids.
I'll leave the rest up to you.
FortunateBum 7y ago
The lesson here is that anyone can get oneitis. It's very difficult to defend against. The feelings you can do nothing about. The only thing you can do to defend against it is to acknowledge the feelings and consciously ignore them.
People get oneitis and don't realize they have oneitis all the time. Even guys like Mystery.
Women are calculating psychopaths. What have you done for her lately? They are 100% quid pro quo. Men? Well we are selfish, but we have feelings. It's how they manipulate us. This is why we get oneitis.
dking168 7y ago
You guys are all hating on Mystery hard lol. Yes his methods will a little out there but think about back in 1995-2000, there was absolutely no material about pick up like there is now. Its the same thing with phones, there used to be only land lines, then we had giant cell phones, then they got smaller and then the evolution of smart phones came into play. You can't blame Mystery for his methods because no one taught him otherwise, everything he learned was self taught. The whole concept of negging, dhv and all that pua terms are all things he invented and we as a society evolved and sharpened it and made it better. You simply cannot compare the pick up methods now to the pick up methods then just like you can't compare the technology now to the technology back then.
The last point I want to make is that Mystery is the reason TRP exists. Without Mystery, there would be no Neil Strauss, without no Neil Strauss, there would be no The Game, and so on and so forth.
Don't get me wrong I think Mystery is a joke and his stuff would no longer work in this day and age but to pick on him about his past is just ridiculous
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NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
The Red Pill is both Frame and Game:
We can see Frame and Game as like the X-axis and Y-axis. You can develop yourself along either axis or both and your results depend on the balance of both dimensions.
Mystery was all Game and no Frame. He was pure PUA. He got the fate we expect for imbalanced development.
scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
Question for you. I'm confused about your outline of game/frame differentiation and hope you can elaborate. I honestly don't see a clear distinction between the the two and I'm trying to understand better.
You put "creation of myths" in the "game" category. But isn't this frame? Like if someone buys into a religious narrative, they have entered the "frame" of that religion, no? Or you could say the religion had "gamed" him. So I don't see a difference in the terms of game and frame.
When I think "frame" I think "picture of the world" or "version of reality". But stuff relating to that you put in the "game" description.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Frame is whatever boundry you make it to be.
For most of us it's limited to your ego.
But if you are the Alpha head of household then your women, children and puppies all exist within your Frame.
A Shit Test is like a rebellion where someone who is supposed to be submitting to your Frame, your leadership, is making a challenge to your authority. If you grant the Shit Test a victory then you fall in power and become beta, usually with very negative consequences.
Game is the process of defining the nature of reality in other people's minds.
People can be within your Frame or outside it. Not everyone is a family member or close ally, in many cases you must influence people who have their own Frames and agendas.
Liberty is the right to have Game influence.
Freedom means you aren't required to be in the herd... you can be separate if you so choose. The concept of private property is an expression of Freedom of separation.
Communism by this logic hates Freedom... which makes sense.
All tyranny... even our globalist tyranny... hates Freedom because it means you are acting in ways that demonstrate separation from the herd.
The tyrants always want the herd together... no strays... no free thinkers messing up their plans for the herd.
The globalist vision is an anti-Freedom philosophy where a few globalists rule the entire world as one herd mind.
To these globalist psychopaths they want the entire world in their Frame.
The pyramid is the globalist Frame.
scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
You don't have to preach anti commie/globalist agenda to me, I'm fully in your camp.
Regarding frame/game, it seems to me that frame=strategy and game=tactics. So game is basically the means by which you bring people into your frame, your worldview.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Frame is best seen as a barrier... literally a "Frame" around yourself... a Wall... Freedom.
Ego boundry, Separation, Borders, etc.
It's the sense of knowing what is "me and what is not me".
Like inside and outside... defense and offense.
Frame is defensive and the separation into a free entity. To be apart, not connected. Sovereign.
Game is "thinking outside the box" and transcending your boundry and figuring out how the outside world works. Like foreign policy.
Game is something you do to someone else.
Frame is what you control internally... it's like private property... internal Freedom.
To have "free will" is to have Frame.
To "impose your will" is Game.
Way_Of_Man 7y ago
Story of my life from ages 22-27. Yes, I could get girls much easier and my confidence went way up. But once I was in any semblance of a meaningful relationship it would inevitable blow up in my face (and usually fuck up almost every other area of my life with it)
RP was the missing piece of the puzzle that I had been searching for for quite some time.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
You need balance in life.
If you specialize too much in one area you end up weak in another.
People often come to the Red Pill and say:
"Could you just sum up the Red Pill in a sentence or two? I'm in a hurry."
...and all we can do is laugh.
Verve11 7y ago
Why is this downvoted? It's completely correct.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Thanks.
It's funny. Sometimes I post something absolutely spot on and it will get downvoted and if I lost Frame and panicked and lashed out I'd get further negative reaction.
But often... the tide will turn and people see what I'm saying and it goes the other way.
It's a good lesson about having conviction in what you know.
What you aren't certain about, then also don't let your ego block you from seeking an answer from other sources.
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Pretty much any time I see a "why is this downvoted?" it's on a post with a significant number of upvotes. The first few people who saw the post were just idiots, or people trying to get their post to the top (which I'll never understand, it's fake internet points).
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Validation could be motivating some.
But remember the rule:
Truth is Hate
...so for those easily triggered anything remotely truthful will activate an emotional response and in their mind the "truth is hate" so they downvote it.
Verve11 7y ago
Makes perfect sense.
A lot of the time, people will respect you more for having conviction, even if you are wrong. Most people are lukewarm, so they latch on to anyone who has a strong stance, for good or bad.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
So maybe my strong conviction means I'm leading many people astray?
That could be true.
I'm sure there are SJW's that would jump at that thought:
"Don't listen to that man, he's destroying our love of globalism!"
Maybe my problem is that I need to learn to love Big Brotherâ„¢.
this_guy2001 7y ago
Okay. I'll agree with you there, but this is all hindsight. Now that we are far more aware about frame, it almost seems simple.
Back in those days, they stumbled across stuff that worked though they didn't truly understand why it worked. People ate it up, only to find out it did not work for everyone.
TRP shows you why it will not work for everyone. If you are not physically attractive, you're going to have a bad time. If you're a total wimp, you're going to have a bad time. If you fall for all that Disney romance stuff, you're going to have a bad time.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
It's true.
The Red Pill has expanded the mental model of how things actually function.
I guess we "improved".
this_guy2001 7y ago
You say improved, I say you have ruined it. All you do is justify the preconceived thought that TRPers are a bunch of looneys.
What's next? How to make a brisket TRP style? Build your own house like a true red-piller? 10 dance moves every TRP man should know?
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Hey if you are dedicated to tunnel vision then that's your thing.
The Manosphere is big and it should be big in my opinion.
this_guy2001 7y ago
Reddit is pretty big, too. You can always start a new sub instead of ruining this one.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
And who were you again?
Oh yeah... "this guy".
And tell me why you are here to lecture about the wisdom of tunnel vision?
this_guy2001 7y ago
Just trying to guide those that are lost.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Wow, that was a short lecture.
Can I help you develop your theme further?
Let's see... you want things contained within a narrow spectrum of thought which in your mind represents the truths you are willing to comprehend. If it's outside your comfort zone then that's just scary and who wants to get lost in a forest huh?
So I get it... keep the mind narrow, reject anything outside of what you already know. Stay the same. Resist improvement.
this_guy2001 7y ago
Yeah, quit turning it into your cuckold political fantasies to justify why you can't get laid.
Tanukiri 7y ago
Ugh, that article though. Mystery airing that stuff on social media is pretty weak, but the dude just wants to see his kids, and the article reviles in ridiculing him. Disgusting.
jc_reddit 7y ago
I was thinking about that. Seriously, if you love your kids that much and your situation is pretty dire, jumping on the social media with frustration is a probably one of only a few outlets to vent.
Verve11 7y ago
I met Mystery a few years ago while I was at a club.
I wasn't sure who he was exactly, but I recognized his face. He had really incredible presence, you could just tell he didn't give a fuck.
He's also a giant, so that helps.
We had a drink and chatted for a while. Nice guy, slightly eccentric but that's to be expected.
I owe him and the PUA community a lot for giving me the foundation to build upon with the Red Pill.
The most important take away from Mystery and all those guys for me personally was: Don't fall into One-Itis, don't put women on a pedestal.
Once I grasped that, the amount of women I got shot up exponentially. That motto is the basis for The Red Pill's sexual strategy in a lot of ways.
Mystery was definitely one of our forefathers.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Mystery was a tool. He noticed some foundational truths. Namely, he watched what guys who were successful with girls did, tried to imitate it, and became moderately successful doing so. But he ended up with a "system" that had like 100 rules and tricks and tactics, when really, only 10 of them actually worked. He didn't know what, specifically, was working and why, only that if you do all 100 of these things, you get laid with some success. So he spent a lot of time running around in make-up and feather boas doing magic tricks as an excuse to touch girls' hands, instead of figuring out that he could have been a normal dude who did the 10 things that worked and been even more successful with the ladies.
Then, he decided to try to monetize his system, like so many guys in his position did, with limited success. Because following a checklist and memorizing lines doesn't get you laid. Looks and social skills get you laid.
nevva_Again 7y ago
This is why I love redpill theory. Because it teaches you how and why all these ''tricks'' work on women.
Onc you understand the ''how'' and ''why'' behind game, you realize that, contrary to the blue pill indoctrination that women are complex and mysterious, they are actually very simple and predictable. And that pressing a particular button will almost always bring out the same reaction from women.
Way_Of_Man 7y ago
This part reminded me of the section of The Game where Strauss is interviewing David X. (whom Strauss called "the ugliest PUA I've ever seen")
He's chatting with him, and it's become very clear that David's style is smash and grab pure alpha dog direct game. The following line he threw out always sticks with me:
"While you and Mystery are in the club doing magic tricks, I'm already coming back for seconds."
That guy always intrigued me.
Kingtorythegreat 7y ago
The sad thing is that you guys think all your value comes from looks.
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All iterative IMHO.
Someone developed a clay pot in ancient Egypt that would provide an electric shock if you pissed in it. Guy was a tool, but if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have the internet.
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Meat-on-the-table 7y ago
You probably summed up everything I've ever thought about Mystery.
I remember glancing at the Mystery Method and it had a bunch of diagrams and patterns. The method itself seemed to fundamentally revolve around deceiving women into thinking you're high value, rather than actually being high value.
I don't think anyone who sticks to that flash with no flame will ever truly find happiness or their place in life.
yomo86 7y ago
Yup but the underline mechanic he "discovered" it is not about your personality, not about how "cool" you are it is about percieved value. No love no bullshit. No candle light dinners. And man when he was the first to formulate the advice "do not buy girls drinks", he rattled the female imperative at its core.
circlhat 7y ago
I disagree, I seen his books transform lives, he helped men, that in my book makes him awesome, the red pill is something different , his books help greatly with Street game, although RSD is superior
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
There's a very strong benefit to buying yourself some of Mystery's writing and trying it out:
You start going out and doing shit. You start talking to girls. You get a better sense for the ebb and flow of social interactions. You become better socially.
It wasn't the feather boa that you wore specifically so a girl would ask you about it and you could demonstrate confidence by having a cool response ready. It wasn't the way you positioned your body to appear like you were about to walk away. It wasn't the practiced opener you had memorized. It was the fact that unlike 75% of loser men out there who stare across the room creepily all night and finally work up the courage to awkwardly approach one girl all night, you actually walked up and talked to twenty girls. And instead of making awkward small talk about nothing as you bumbled around trying to work up the courage to ask for her number, you cracked jokes and teased them, and at the right moment, initiated touch.
I'd say maybe 50% of what you read from Mystery is absolutely critical information (if phrased a bit clumsily), while the other 50%, if not wrong or useless, is of marginal use at best.
[deleted] 7y ago
The guy was a hyperbole, and at the end of the day he hit all the necessary checkboxes for a select group of women and then exceeded them to a degree that was completely unnecessary and made him less desirable to many. At the end of the day he was "good enough" to get laid on a regular basis, and there's nothing wrong with that as an individual, but he's not the ideal to look to as a mentor at all. Yes he stood out with his ridiculous attire, and he had status in the environments he was in, and he had enough charisma to not seem like a creep.
He had a few things going for him that really allowed him to get laid easily, and most of it can't be taught.
1) He was abnormally tall, something like 6'6". There are women out there who basically look for the tallest guy in the room and just try to make sure he's not autistic. He fit a fetish for many women, so by putting himself out there he was bound to run into one by the end of the night.
2) He was distinctive due to his style and stature. A lot of the time the only thing a guy needs to do is distinguish himself. To his credit, he did a good job characterizing this. However, he overdid it to a large degree and it became specific to him, not others. Imagine a 5'7" guy with a mediocre face dressing up in this outfit and trying to pick up women.
3) Pickup wasn't as much of a thing in his heyday, so just having the balls to talk to strangers put you above the average guy.
The rest of his act was standard fair or far overdone.
If we can take one thing from Mystery it's this: Getting laid is easier than you think. You just have to put yourself out there.
His system is anything but the ideal.
[deleted] 7y ago
I pictured Seinfeld in the pirate shirt.
Too funny
Cyralea 7y ago
He was a pioneer. And like many pioneers, he got some things really fucking wrong, and misattributed some things. He ultimately provided the material that would later develop into the matured manosphere. You don't need to respect the man necessarily to respect his legacy.
yomo86 7y ago
Yup hate him all you want but this dude was the first to formulate an abstract, any abstract, of game sans emotions. Before we got nothing. It was horribly crude, way too detailed and borderline pathetic. But this dude got laid way more often than most of those self-proclaimed RP men aka whiners.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Definitely. He got a lot of things right, but there are a few things where a sane human would have stepped back and said, "Really? I'm about to put this bizarrely specific piece of drivel, that maybe worked that one time but maybe it was something else, into a book alongside other shit that I know actually is important to get laid? Am I that clueless about what's really going on and how things work, even after fucking all of these women?"
Rathadin 7y ago
A sane human? Did you not read The Game? Its a goddamn miracle he didn't turn into a serial killer, given his upbringing.
[deleted] 7y ago
I am really confused about what you mean. Can you tell me what specifically you are talking about(or just an example of them)?
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Some of the bizarrely detailed shit that just doesn't matter. Like when you approach a group of people, you need to turn your head but face your body away from them so you don't look like you're trying to build rapport too early, which is a demonstration of low value?
Say what? Seriously?
Or on the rare occasion when you're approaching a group of people that's moving, you need to come in from the side, slightly in front of them, and turn your head over your shoulder.
Okay. So Mystery is teaching people how to walk up to other people now? Like, literally, how to walk. This information, right here, really belongs next to actual good theory?
So when you talk to people, you need to artificially mention that you are about to depart momentarily so they're not creeped out wondering how long you intend to talk to them. And you're supposed to sway and turn like an an autistic guy who stims on motion, in an effort to look like you're about to walk away.
All that micro-management when the "right" answer is to just fucking talk to people and be funny and confident. Seriously, if you're hyper-focused about which way you plant your feet instead of how you're interacting with a group, and you don't care about the interaction anyway and just keep cutting people off to recite your memorized lines, you'll get lucky once in awhile -- you're way better off than the guys who don't approach at all. But learning how to talk to people like a human? That's even better.
Mystery got a lot of the big points right, but lost himself in the weeds.
[deleted] 7y ago
First of all, every outer game advise should be taken as "this will make your chances better," and not as do this or it won't work.
He doesn't say you can't fuck a chick without doing this. What he is saying is that it's a DLV, which is true.
Again, you don't need to.
Are you really telling me false time constraints don't work. Come on dude. Everbody can literally go out right now and field test this. Sure, you can tell me that the place he was coming from(I am lower value than the HB) was wrong, but this works. Just, not for the reason he thought it was working.
No, shit. "Just fucking talk to people." The whole point of game/pua/redpill is to take a guy who is not a natural alpha and make him behave as a natural does. Why do you think there are 2 "shit-tests" links on the sidebar? Naturals knew how to A&A since they were 7. If you don't, "just talk to people" leads to shit-test==>chode/qualifying==>dry vagina.
This_1_is_my_Reddit 7y ago
You are on point, Sir.
Wish I could upvote you more.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
I submit that "just talk to people" is a superior method. If you walk out of your house right now, and talk to 50 people a day. Wherever you are. The line at a coffee shop. The laundromat. The bank. Man, woman, old young. Just talk to strangers. Every day. Just a couple of minutes each, maybe longer if the conversation takes off.
It will be stupid and embarrassing and people will wonder why the hell you're approaching them. You'll say dumb things, your body language will be all wrong, the conversations will go poorly.
But after you've embarrassed yourself 1000 times, something will click. Around time 1001, you'll realize that other people are just as human as you are. They're just as worried about what you're thinking as you are about them. You'll recognize subtle things they're doing as ways they're qualifying themselves to impress you; you did a lot of the same things. But you've been laughed at and pissed on 1000 times. You really don't care, because you've learned that getting socially rejected and embarrassed doesn't matter at all. You're comfortable talking to people about everything and nothing, whoever you're talking to.
You're not worried about which way your feet point when you approach a group of people at a bar. You surpassed that. You're actually socially apt. Not an awkward creep trying to imitate social aptitude. And what you do and how you talk will appear natural for you. Not like you're imitating something you found in a book.
Don't get me wrong -- there's a lot of great information there. But if you're a socially awkward weirdo, worrying about which way your feet are planted and trying to memorize your lines are the least of your problems.
OfficialMotherfucker 7y ago
I don't get your point here. Mystery Method wasn't perfect, but he came up with it from scratch. Besides he was so based that he could pick up the hottest chicks while wearing a feather boa and a bunch of make up, so who gives a fuck?
There were a bunch of guys in the pick up community who did this thing you said - 'let's sarge every single night' for 500 or 1000 nights and in the end they were still as socially retarded as always. Because if they were perfectly functional members of society, they wouldn't have turned to PUA. So PUA is a bit like a 'guide for dummies' in the sense that you're trying to help people who are completely socially inept.
Which is what the PUA masters were in the first place. They started out from a place of insecurity, of pedestalling, and that's what held them back for the most time. I believe Mystery developed a killer Game, but he never solved his own underlying psychological problems that brought him there in the first place. There were some serious chinks in his armor and when chicks got a hold of that, he'd eventually crumble. Of course, if he started out with all the knowledge we have nowadays, it could've been much different.
KyfhoMyoba 7y ago
Ahhhh, horse shit. If you have no methodology, no structure, no reflection on your internal state or external behavior, no way to determine if you're moving closer to or further from your goals, then "just talking to people" will not help - there will be no learning. It's the difference between 2 guys that each have "10 years experience." One guy actually has 10 years experience, the other guy has one year of experience, 10 times.
RedPillRedemption 7y ago
The "learning" bit is about getting used to rejection. It's about outcome independence. When you learn that, you change significantly the way you approach people, and that's the methodology. It's about becoming rather than doing. When you follow objective steps all the way every time, you become limited to those actions. By "being" instead of doing, you shape yourself better each day.
Swoledinger 7y ago
Think about it like this.
Ill start doing squats every day. You start researching the biomechanics, muscle insertion point, and optimal meal plans.
I won't research squat theory. You won't do any squats. We meet back in one year and see who can squat the most weight.
Here is the great thing about being human. We get better just by doing. If we are trying to go to Mars, yes we will need methodology. We are just trying to talk to people... So just go talk to people.
OfficialMotherfucker 7y ago
False analogy. Suppose you start doing squats every day. I research all that and after 2 weeks and start squatting with all that knowledge (and optimal meal plans, etc.). When I have more experience, I review my methodology and attained results, refining it over time. After 6 months to a year, who's going to squat more?
[deleted] 7y ago
LOLOL
Yes, let's pretend that backwards engineering how to fuck HB10s in high end environments without being Chad looking is easy.
juliusstreicher 7y ago
If you think that you can get a point by terrorizing us with some horrifying picture, think again, pal!
There is some strange anomaly with that dipshit. I think that it's tied in with being redheaded. He's an ugly pud, and, from the few videos that I've watched, he is full of shit. I think that his game is to just stay around endlessly and hog all conversation until the other guys realize that a beatdown is the only thing that can shake him off and the chicks realize that he'll probably follow them to the parking lot and the other dudes will have to kill him to get rid of him. Babes would rather kiss him on a video that see an actual murder of a redheaded dork.
aguy01 7y ago
Right, these neckbeards that don't even approach think they have any idea what an achievement it was for this broke ads dude to just start going to the club all the time to figure this shit out through trial and error. Most people here have never dont have the stobes for a single approach. He was a unique individual with a sharp mind and great determination.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
In a sense, The Mystery Method is really more accurately titled "how to fake having social skills when you don't really have them".
It hyper-analyzes all of these little things that normal humans just do in normal conversation, like treating hot women as if they were anybody else so that they don't feel all awkward, teasing and making jokes to break the ice, actually making your sexual intentions evident, and actually having something interesting to talk about. Then, it comes up with all of these minutiae about how to sit in a chair, how to move your body around to look like you might be about to leave, how to dress with arbitrary and stupid bits of flair solely to draw attention to yourself and give yourself an extra thing to talk about, and a bunch more bizarrely specific checklist items that, in all honestly, are just attempts to imitate normal conversation.
HS-Thompson 7y ago
Yeah that's pretty much it. But there's no need to be overly dismissive, learning how to fake social skills is a great tactic for those that don't have them.
Also you have to remember that there wasn't much of an internet when all this started, and there definitely wasn't a million dating apps. These people were very isolated and alone and desperate, just looking for some way to go into a bar or club and actually meet a girl and maybe kiss them.
I never got into PUA at all, but I found the whole idea interesting and think these guys all deserve some basic respect for trying to do something to solve the genuine problem of men who were really struggling with their life.
[deleted] 7y ago
No. The MM is "here is what it looks like to have social skills, in case you have no idea and the "be social" advise is like chinese to you."
OK. Thanks. Everytime someone shits on MM the most obvious sign he didn't actually read it is how he describes peacocking. Just for clarification:
Rathadin 7y ago
Body language is something that Mystery Method gets mostly correct, in the sense of its importance. It is incredibly important. So much so that even slouching instead of sitting up straight might lower your lifespan, according to preliminary research.
If it can improve your physical health just to sit up straight, then learning more about body language ought to be fairly important to any man who wants some measure of influence around him.
[deleted] 7y ago
The guy was a hyperbole, and at the end of the day he hit all the necessary checkboxes for a select group of women and then exceeded them to a degree that was completely unnecessary and made him less desirable to many. At the end of the day he was "good enough" to get laid on a regular basis, and there's nothing wrong with that as an individual, but he's not the ideal to look to as a mentor at all. Yes he stood out with his ridiculous attire, and he had status in the environments he was in, and he had enough charisma to not seem like a creep.
He had a few things going for him that really allowed him to get laid easily, and most of it can't be taught.
1) He was abnormally tall, something like 6'6". There are women out there who basically look for the tallest guy in the room and just try to make sure he's not autistic. He fit a fetish for many women, so by putting himself out there he was bound to run into one by the end of the night.
2) He was distinctive due to his style and stature. A lot of the time the only thing a guy needs to do is distinguish himself. To his credit, he did a good job characterizing this. However, he overdid it to a large degree and it became specific to him, not others. Imagine a 5'7" guy with a mediocre face dressing up in this outfit and trying to pick up women.
3) Pickup wasn't as much of a thing in his heyday, so just having the balls to talk to strangers put you above the average guy.
The rest of his act was standard fair or far overdone.
If we can take one thing from Mystery it's this: Getting laid is easier than you think. You just have to put yourself out there.
His system is anything but the ideal.
yomo86 7y ago
Not topic related but I dispute that 6'6" is beneficial. 6'2" is, 6'6" and looking scrawny like him is a disadvantage. People make fun of those humans like they do with midgets unless he is extremly buffed. Point is women do not have a "taste" her taste is what the herd says it is coupled with a personal flavor and 6'6" does not fit in the approved category.
[deleted] 7y ago
Let's put it this way. If 6'2" is The Avengers then 6'6" is Rocky Horror Picture Show. Yeah, 6'2" is the popular option, the ideal, but 6'6" is the fetish. I know tons of girls who see a guy who's 6'5"+ and start drowning in their own vaginal fluids as long as he's not fat. Basically, while 6'2" is going to appeal to the most women, the ones who go for 6'6" are crazy about 6'6". One of my college roommates was borderline autistic and just sat around doing math all day. He was 6'5" and he still managed to fuck a bunch of decent looking girls, all specifically with a height fetish. If you're that height and just want to get laid, you just wander around and do whatever until you find the decent-looking girl with the height fetish. That was my point. For most women 6'6" is too tall, but for a sizable number it's enough on its own to seal the deal.
yomo86 7y ago
Good explaination. 6'6" is for girls what no tits/big butt is for guys.
[deleted] 7y ago
In a way. Although I know far fewer guys who are into no tits/big butt than I know girls who are into 6'6" guys. If anything I'd say 6'6" is for girls what G cups are for guys.
juliusstreicher 7y ago
I'll have to dispute all of this. "Tallest" gets dates. Tallest+unbuff=Tallest. 6'6" is at the outside of hot, but, it is still hot. He was not buff, but, he wasn't fat, and, if memory serves, he was in good shape. Chicks go for tall and lean.
prodigy2throw 7y ago
Yeah he's definitely not the godfather of red pill. He was the pioneer of the pua movement although he wasn't even necessarily the greatest. Just the first to turn it into a lifestyle and career and brought it to the forefront, along with Neil.
The subsequent mental breakdowns that both these men have had after is exactly why a pua lifestyle without TRP will kill you inside.
Game is one piece of smv. Not the whole thing.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Being a goodlooking giant helps too.
He was playing on easymode, but he did help the early PUA scene, so I can't be too harsh.
Marsupian 7y ago
This, calling him the godfather of TRP is silly.
WillyWonka321 7y ago
One of the pitfalls of Mystery and mostly the PUA community is the inability to embrace the Alpha character that they display.I mean I get the importance of game.Lifting and being alpha on its own doesn't get you laid.You can lift as much as you like but as long as you dont open your mouth you will still go home alone. Trust me.I know from experience. But the major hurdle here with pick up is the inability to BE the excitement, confidence, charm, wit that you convey. Its not internalized.So when you bag "the one" you relax and the real you comes out.She gets a rude awakening that she got stuck with an AFC chump then she leaves you for Chad. Thats what I think happened here.I think the best thing to do is balance game and redpill practice
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PUAs are not saying that thing though...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2lwNe-sTtA
Benny757 7y ago
The natural alphas who generally always got the girl aren't on here reading these posts. But society, the educational system, and the post 50's gynocentrification of policy and laws led us to where we are today.
If you were raised buying in to the compliance and submissive culture of what modern masculinity has come to be, then you have a psychological belief system that is counter to what old school masculinity was biologically mean't to be. Call it a cult, a way of thinking, call it a "default" belief system.
Now feel your pain when things do not work as planned. Mystery was and is a magician, a show man. He was a performer. He had some things right. Most will just never work for the average man who has the belief system society left him with.
One rule I've learned is simply this. Blue pill neediness and desperation don't work. Sorry. Not how women like guys. It's unattractive and poor game coming obviously and directly from a position of weakness. So don't do it.
Entropy-7 7y ago
I don't have any particular ill will towards Mystery but he always struck me as a skinny peacock with a few tricks up his sleeve rather than some sort of icon to be admired and emulated.
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rundownweather 7y ago
Whoever wrote that article enjoys gloating a tad too much.
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The core problem with PUA as practiced and founded by Mystery and Co is this; they focused on the process to get laid instead of why a man should get laid.
If you don't sort out the Why first , you're just gonna compound the bullshit in your life without a clue what it's all for.
Supporting field report; Mystery himself.