"It's especially egregious because The Glory of Living is a play about the mistreatment and abuse of young women," says Kelly O'Sullivan, who played Cox's onstage teenage girlfriend. "There's the assumption that probably there were more female voices in control in the room, that people in leadership positions were probably looking out for the best interests of the other women in the room—which doesn't always happen. But there were no female voices of any kind of roles in power for that show."
"For the longest time I was like, 'Well, he's too old,' " she remembers. "I wouldn't even consider this. Then somehow he convinced me it wasn't a big deal and that it was pretty great."
"He gave me special attention from very early on," Allie remembers. He told her she looked sexy in her costume. Backstage, as she helped him do a quick change, he would say things to her like, "You're easy to fall in love with, baby." ... During that second show, Jahraus suggested Cox start giving her rides home every night. The attention made Allie feel confused, but also good. Soon, their relationship became more intimate.
"I was made to think that the reason it was OK for us to be in a relationship, despite him being 24 years older than me and me being a teenager, was because I was so mature and because our connection was so unique," Allie says now.
Early the following year, soon after the end of Kid Sister and her relationship with Cox, Allie confided the whole story to Redman. Allie was afraid of what Cox would do to her if she outed him, and she didn't know who else she could tell. Redman was appalled. She invited some of her friends who also worked in theater to a meeting in her apartment to pool information. Many of them, it turned out, also had Profiles stories.
As a group, they discussed various plans of action. They considered writing an open letter to the Sun-Times and Tribune, but they were too afraid of retribution from Cox and the greater theater community to go through with it. Allie didn't see the point of going to the police because the relationship hadn't been physically violent.
Independently, Allie appealed to another authority: she reached out to three women with power and influence in the Chicago theater community to alert them about what was happening at Profiles and ask for their help.
Myers and Fisher circle the block around the theater, approaching women who've finished their auditions. Most of the women accept [warning] flyers with polite interest; several stop for a longer discussion about workers' rights. They're aware of Not in Our House; the previous week, the Tribune had run a lengthy front-page story about sexual harassment in the improv community that briefly mentioned the group.
FortunateBum 7y ago
Supposedly, women like and want sex just as much as men.
The underlying assumption in stories like this one is no, women don't want sex as much as men. They have to be tricked or manipulated into it.
Why can't this director say that all these women are manipulating him into bed? Because no one would believe him. No one believes that women want to have sex just to have sex.
I'll tell you something though, all these theater types are enormous flirts. They probably do it subconsciously. It's part of being outgoing and performance. They can't turn it off. Once you get this, you stop thinking they like you. But yeah, you can totally take advantage of it. It's like a door ajar. You can push your way in because they're accommodating. At the end of the day, they're just like other women. When they fuck they want to be fairly compensated. They just act like they like it. They're good at acting. You have to be real careful.
See this guy is kind of a dick, he's in a position of power, and in the theater. There's all these outgoing young women being real fucking nice to him. They don't want to fuck. Trust me, they don't want to fuck. But you start thinking yeah, all these young pieces of ass want my dick. It's because they're acting like that. But that's just how these actress chicks are. So now you're all over them. Going through them like candy. When he gets into the relationship, he finds out that they're a pain in the ass. They make for horrible partners. They are narcissistic to the extreme, even more than most women, and that surface interest in you is only surface. What you thought was interest was merely a play for attention. In the depths of the relationship you find out.
If this guy was such a monster he wouldn't've tried with every single one of these stupid, narcissistic, selfish bitches. Blame them. All they had to be was a loving partner. This story alone is proof that they're incapable of that.
Entropy-7 7y ago
Geez, let's go down the list:
Off the top of my head, that is three ticks in the TRP boxes confirming what is between her ears and between her legs, based on just one phrase of her bullshit.
I'm sure there are more if anyone is so kind to add them.
TheRealMouseRat 7y ago
this is just how it seems afterwards. after he dumped her, she associated bad feelings with him, therefore she does not like him. then she thinks back, and suddenly everything is changed, but since her memory is permanently altered by the feelings, she is having problems understanding how she could have been attracted to him in the first place.
thus: "somehow".
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Entropy-7 7y ago
Ah yes, the origins of what I call retcon. It's even less effective in real life than it is in comic books.
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[deleted] 7y ago
This is what they did to Cosby.
jav253 7y ago
Didn't South Park do an episode on how male play writers only do it so they can fuck the hot young actress's? Like someone else mentioned this is also rampant in Hollywood. Every hot actress you ever jerked too had to suck/fuck some hairy director to get their first gig. And in some cases the young Male actors also had to pay their dues to a director that swung that way too. Reason being competition is fierce to get into acting. It's not that hard of a job but gives you lots of money, and social status fast. Very tempting to young Women so many will suck cock to get ahead in it.
evileddy 7y ago
Sloots gonna sloot!
They just made they got dumped... woman scorned and all that shit.
Again to make this stop happening every man has to accuse a woman of rape until they change the laws.
alpha_n3rd 7y ago
You meant to type "Dumbfuck shits where he eats"
In this era you should know better that to fuck your subordinates
LeftShark86 7y ago
None of them accused him of rape. They basically said he was a shitty boyfriend. Why chicago reader wrote this book of an article is beyond me.
favours_of_the_moon 7y ago
That's actually the plot of a pron movie, called 18 AND CONFUSED.
https://youtu.be/B0XV_DNbBPM
[deleted] 7y ago
Can someone translate this please?
As a non-US American I dont understand what his "crime" was.
SkorchZang 7y ago
He fucked a bunch of young sexy women he worked with at this theatre. But he was an older guy, so some of the women he slept with got together and really felt they were abused. I.e. they may have thought they would get ahead by doing this, but all they ended up doing was giving a lot of head.
He never hurt or threatened any of them so they felt there's no point going to the police with this. But they had to somehow get back at this guy, who does he think he is? Just routinely fucking young sexy things like them, and then phasing them out when the new meat comes in?
So they went to a newspaper where a major feminazi stink was made about it all. How dare this man have 100% legal sex with whoever he wants and use his position at the theatre to do it! This shows how women are abused in our society and it should be illegal for old perverted men that like sexy women to do this, but it isn't yet. Hillary 2016.
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Thanks for the explanation. Just as I suspected, he didnt do anything illegal. I feel like a "witch hunt a day, keeps existential crisis away" for these people.
What you wrote looks like some dystopian satire, but sadly ita the reality.
America, please dont let this woman become president.
Momo_dollar 7y ago
I posted this in the comments **" I think its appropriate to distinguish between rape/abuse and being seduced into a willing sexual relationship and then trying to rationalise it as rape / abuse when it ends and you feel guilty or used.
To throw the latter which is not illegal into the same box as the former is an insult to victims of rape and abuse and devalues the seriousness of crimes such as rape and abuse.
Bottom line if young women are seduced into sleeping with older men then that's their decision. When they don't get the expected promotion, pay rise, marriage that they thought they would get by spreading their legs they should take responsibility for their own actions not deflect blame."**
Within seconds i got a reply telling me that this article does not mention rape, has nothing to do with rape, its about ABUSE , coercion etc
vitringur 7y ago
The problem here is not that the man is older and the women are young.
The problem is that he is their superior within the workplace.
He is letting his own sexual desires guide his actions rather than being professional.
If he was just old, it would be no problem.
The problem is: "suck my dick or you are fired"
He did not get the position of director for him to use that to fuck actresses. He is not suppose to evaluate actresses on whether or not they are obedient little fuck toys.
That's where the abuse comes into the picture.
Momo_dollar 7y ago
He did not blackmail or threaten them. As the article states "i told him it made me feel uncomfortable and he stopped and it never happened again" that was in regards to him getting to frisky during a sexual scene. Women sleep with superiors across all industries in the hope of receiving special treatment or promotion etc sometimes it works out for them, sometimes it doesn't.
BPasFuck 7y ago
If he was some creepy old queer, hitting on the young, confused, boys getting into acting, no one would say a word. Shit, he'd be doing them a favor-- getting them all plugged into the gay mafia.
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Thing is that is rampant in Hollywood. Many big actors have had to pay their dues getting into the biz - but nobody talks about that.
Here is this girl talking about this situation, but never saying she felt like she had to sleep with the dude to get the part - only that she ate up the attention at the time and that it made her feel mature.
Its was only when the production ended and they went their separate ways did she afterwards feel discarded when he moved on to the next young thing in his circle.
It was completely consensual and she enjoyed it at the time, but when it was over all of a sudden it becomes predatory.
Meanwhile, as earlier stated, there are creepy old fags in Hollywood making no bones about the expected quid pro quo. Not just that, but they're also queering on young boys who are not 18. Nobody wants to talk about that shit either.
These spineless fuck journalists make something out of nothing, carrying water for perpetually aggrieved idiots who refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions - but totally ignore the rampant sexual harassment and rape that is actually occurring.
We live in a fucked up blue pill society. Nobody has the courage these days to tell the fucking truth about shit. All everyone does is virtue signal along with the herd. Its disgusting.
Benny757 7y ago
Makes MGTOW all the more appealing all the time. Wow!
redthrow1125 7y ago
I like how they use the word "teenage" so she could be anywhere from 13 to an 18-19 adult.
ToSeeAndToHear 7y ago
It's just more bullshit shaming language to push 30+ men into wifing up post-wall women. 18 is either old enough or not. If an 18 year old can fuck a 22 year old college athlete, she can fuck a 50 year old fine, too.
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chaseemall 7y ago
When men use the word creep in a sexual context, we mean "less attractive than me." When women say it they mean "not attractive enough to do that,"
That's all that means. We don't shame men for unattractiveness here, we shame them for an unwillingness to do the work required to be attractive. Calling a man a creep (generally) is the former.
Second, why achieve power if not to use it? Men achieve power because it's attractive to women. As Henry Kissing er put it, power is the best aphrodisiac. Both men and women prefer this power dynamic. Women crave men who are better than them (more powerful), and men crave women who submit. Now, this is a heuristic not an exact law, but most of the time it holds.
vitringur 7y ago
Why not just rape?
I am not calling him a creep for being more or less attractive. I called him a creep because he has sex with his employees.
The power he has accepted is responsibility over the theatre. He was given that power to maximize the artistic quality and output of the theatre. He was not given that power so he could turn the organization into his own personal harem.
chaseemall 7y ago
First of all, these were consenting women, who were already cast. Yes he had power, but it's not like he blackmailed them. Women, though they like to think orherwise, do have agency. They CAN refuse.
It's silly to assume that just because you have power over someone's employment that this power will be misused. It reduces both the man and the woman to oppressor and victim rather than two rational agents engaged in a consensual act. Yes the power dynamic exists, the domination submission dynamic exists, but either party can exit at any time and, presupposing that we're dealing with two rational, responsible aduts, this dynamic need not affect their professional relationship in any meaningful way.
Finally, when I say might as well use the power you have, I do not mean using it to force women to sleep with you. I mean that simply having it makes you more attractive. I'm saying don't handicap yourself. If you've got an advantage compared with other men use it. That includes situational advantage such as being powerful.
zue3 7y ago
There is no underlying purpose to power. You get it and then you use it however you want. Be it to further your art or fuck women. If anything, this director has his life in order.
By your definition a man spending his hard earned money on a prostitute makes him a creep because he's taking advantage of economically downtrodden whores. Should he be spending all his hard earned cash on feeding the homeless instead? Get your head out of your ass.
vitringur 7y ago
In this case, there is. We are talking about a profession. He is an agent of his principals, i.e. the owners of the theatre and the producers.
He was entrusted with a task and he misused and abused the power he was given, to sacrifice the utility of the consumers, the actors and his superiors, for his own personal gain.
With prostitutes, having sex is their profession. There is a contract, although not written, since it is illegal in many cases.
In this case however, their profession has nothing to do with enduring violence or having to please him sexually.
You blatant disregard for power is an opinion. But then again you could also just say that people lie, cheat, defraud, rape, steal and murder... good for them. They are just using the power they have to benefit themselves.
The problem is that it only benefits them and nobody else. In fact, that behaviour is costly to those around them and society as a whole.
ToSeeAndToHear 7y ago
Because they're hot and willing, and he can.
Get that "creepy" shit out of here. If you want to discuss the ethical issues of fucking an underling, fine, but that doesn't make the guy a "creep."
The story posted here doesn't suggest he threatened implicitly or explicitly to use his position against them if they didn't fuck him. He just gamed them hard and left them, and they got pissed off.
vitringur 7y ago
He is a creep if he is fucking his employees and abusing his power as their superior.
If he was just hooking up with young women in general it wouldn't be a problem.
The problem is that he has direct power over their professional careers.
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And how exactly does this force them to sleep with him? He didn't do anything but spit game and get laid. It's not like they're children who didn't know any better. They were adults who made their own decisions.
Did you even read the article? I'm curious. Because none of them ever claim abuse of power or forcing sexual favors....they're just pissed because they thought they were special snowflakes when all they turned out to be was another notch in the bed post. Stop victimizing women who make shitty decisions.
Regret =/= Rape
vitringur 7y ago
You just contradicted yourself.
He didn't just spit game. He might have coerced them.
Sure, he has plausible deniability.
Were they afraid of losing their jobs? Were they hoping to land a job?
In any case, he was being unprofessional, defrauding the people who trusted him with the position as a director (by letting the women's willingness to engage in sexual activity weigh more than their qualitifations) and abused the women, by conflicting his own sexual interests with their professional careers.
[deleted] 7y ago
An unfounded presumption that has absolutely no merit or proof. Moving on.
Conjecture that has no basis. It's you simply making shit up in your mind. This is not how real life, let alone a courtroom, work. Moving on.
Does not make him a rapist.
Again, does not make him a rapist.
And yet again, this does not make him a rapist. An asshole? Yeah maybe a little. But these were adult aged women who made adult decisions. It's as simple as saying, "No I don't want to have sex with you."
Just because your fee fees get hurt, doesn't mean you can throw around rape accusations. It's childish, ridiculous, and complete bullshit. You are attempting to justify something that has no merit other than some woman saying something. Which is the main fucking problem today with rape accusations. Nobody even attempts to listen to the accused side. People automatically and blindly believe a rape accusation like gospel.
You need to learn how to think like an adult and stop basing opinions off of emotions instead of facts and realism.
zue3 7y ago
You just contradicted yourself. Did he or did he not coerce them? Can you point to where in the article these women say they were coerced into relationships with this guy?
You're making assumptions about the situation. The girls even stated that they couldn't go to the police because there was no violence or threats involved.
These girls engaged in a mutually beneficial arrangement to both parties. What makes them different from the millions of talented, beautiful aspiring actresses out there? The fact that they fucked their director to get ahead, that's what. Don't blame the guy for taking what these girls were willingly providing him.
vitringur 7y ago
Sure I can blame him.
He should have the discipline to not let his dick get in the way of his profession.
Actresses should get ahead because they are good actresses, not because they sucked some guys dick.
This just means that we get worse actresses.
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ToSeeAndToHear 7y ago
If it's the military, where there is a clear chain of command and regulations about fraternization, then yeah it's a problem.
In theater it's a time honored tradition to fuck your cast.
vitringur 7y ago
No one is denying that rape, molestation and abuse of power are traditions that are millennia old.
What exactly is your point?
ToSeeAndToHear 7y ago
It's not rape, she enjoyed it until he was done with her.
It's not molestation, or they'd have said she was a minor, not a teenager.
It's not abuse of power, there was no implication he threatened her at all. You can't be responsible for a woman's irrational fears, or every black man out after dark would be liable for civil assault.
She's an adult and allowed to make her own fucking choices. Or we can go back to chaperones for any unmarried woman so that they are never alone with a man, because women can't rationally control when they fuck.
You can't have it both ways.
vitringur 7y ago
The implication is clear. She was an actress and he is the director.
How is there no implication of abuse of power if an employer repeatedly engages in sexual activity with his employees?
Like I said, it might well be a tradition. Loads of things are traditions. But we don't automatically condone things or accept them just because people have been doing them for centuries.
If so, then rape wouldn't be a problem in the first place. It's just... tradition.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Thanks for the concern trolling. Yes why is some guy fucking girls way younger than him? Trp is certainly the place to have this discussion!
vitringur 7y ago
I have no problem with a older guy hooking up with younger women.
The main concern here is that it isn't just any young women. It's women that he employs and has control over through their professional lives.
That is by all standards considered abuse.
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vitringur 7y ago
Learn to read.
I didn't call him a creep for sleeping with younger women. I couldn't care less.
I called him a creep because he is having sex with women which he has direct financial and professional control over.
If it was just a personal relationship, who cares.
But it isn't. We are talking about a professional work place.
It is no coincidence that he is sleeping with young actresses and not just random young women.
[deleted] 7y ago
What if it's not abuse by my standards?
You're concern trolling and not contributing to the discussion. A contribution would be some anecdote or facts or argument about why sleeping with women who you have a work relationship, where you are above them, is a bad strategy. You're just moralizing. And women deliberately choose to fuck their bosses all the time. Or guys that they feel are above them in such a way. Happens all the time.
vitringur 7y ago
I am not talking about strategy and have nothing to say about the strategy.
It clearly works and I was never disagreeing with that.
I was just pointing out that one can easily classify this strategy as rape.
Forceful rape is also a strategy, you know. It even works, quite well. Men have been doing it for millennia.
[deleted] 7y ago
Hell yes I need to get some sleep rape going with a girl. You've got to keep them from snoring somehow.
Consilio_et_Animis 7y ago
And of course the poor young sweet little girl is just an innocent tool in his cruel evil hands. She has no sexual desire whatsoever, and in no ways finds any attraction in an older, more experienced and mature man's hand. Indeed, she finds his tremendous creative energy and hard work actually a turn-off.
Oh no no no... she would much rather be fumbling in the back of a car with her spotty 18 year old boyfriend who works at McDonalds and spends all day playing video games. Much more satisfying.
vitringur 7y ago
She might well have been attracted to him and have desires. She doesn't have to be innocent.
The problem only arises when you mix sexual activity with a professional work place.
Since he is her superior and has control over her professional career, there is no way to determine the motives she had for engaging in the activity, and it doesn't really matter.
You just don't have sex with people that depend on you professionally, politically or financially. That is abuse.
Consilio_et_Animis 7y ago
My bet: she's happily selling her young body in an attempt to become famous. And of course no young woman has ever done that in recorded history. Oh no. Silly me.
vitringur 7y ago
Sure, they might have.
But it does not make her a better actress. It does not make her deserve the role more than the other actresses who did not sleep with him.
If your only choice is to have sex with the director or for unknown reason "not being cast" in the next play, it's no choice at all.
Employers abusing their power is nothing new. I don't understand why so many here are condoning this.
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vitringur 7y ago
Sure, they might have.
But it does not make her a better actress. It does not make her deserve the role more than the other actresses who did not sleep with him.
If your only choice is to have sex with the director or for unknown reason "not being cast" in the next play, it's no choice at all.
Employers abusing their power is nothing new. I don't understand why so many here are condoning this.
Consilio_et_Animis 7y ago
At some point, people become adults, and have to be held responsible for their adult decisions. People have sex, and lots of it, for all sorts of different reasons, and in all sort of different situations.
Women marry men, specifically, because they have wealth, power, status and influence. Such a man will have numerous women chasing him. Obviously, according to your reasoning, he's a creep and a rapist.
Consilio_et_Animis 7y ago
OK, so when a women with a job in PR paying $25K a year, marries a millionaire Wall Street banker, she's effectively being raped and he's a "creep".
You are living in a fantasy world.
vitringur 7y ago
No, marriage is a contract. It is a public statement for everyone to witness.
This director didn't really set the sexual acts into his contract with those actresses. He didn't really want other people to know how he was using his position for his own benefit.
If the millionaire Wall Street banker is this womens boss however, sure, it could be considered rape.
They are basically saying "have sex with me or you are fired".
Of course they don't say it out loud.
Remember, they need plausible deniability.
That's right. It's not only whores, cunts and sluts that use plausible deniability.
Creeps also use plausible deniability when they abuse their positions of power over others.
Consilio_et_Animis 7y ago
"...have sex with me or I won't marry you, and you won't have access to all my money, influence, status and wealth."
Same thing. Women exchange their young bodies for stuff the whole time.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Sometimes you just can't make this shit up.
He practically had a sign up saying:
"Come work for me so I can use you as a sex slave."
And it's even crazier to think the post-Wall women are thinking they can go back and reverse their participation by attacking the guy.
The guy was openly stating his plans to fuck young girls.
This gets back to the Blue Pill idea that women are not required to think wisely.
Child Support Laws were this same line of thinking... women can fuck anyone and then get them as slaves in conquest of them. It's a complete reversal of Natural Laws.
RedMoonAscendant 7y ago
For those of you about to delve into the dark depths of this comment reply tree, you will find a great and glorious prophet going by the name vitringur. Its arguments are genius and subtle, and most of you, including our esteemed NeoreactionSafe here, don't seem able to comprehend them. I shall summarize them for you, to help you understand.
There is a thing. It looks like a horse. It walks like a horse, whinneys like a horse, eats hay, is kept in stables, is ridden by jockeys. It is large like a horse, smells like a horse, and is called by farmers and breeders alike "horse."
This thing is a duck.
Now you will be able to understand the 60+ comments vitringur has gifted us.
Benny757 7y ago
Right, and not just the Child Support laws either. the entire family law system, especially in the U.S. is so gynocentric it makes me sick.
The entire system is set up to allow women to get out of marriage free, and then be totally supported. It used to be that fault based divorce was the norm. One of the parties behaved poorly in the marriage, they were punished, and rightfully so.
Now our country has enforced and enhanced an entire population where there is absolutely no incentive to build a family, or even to marry any more. And other countries see this and know this. Oh the weakened state we have become. We'd make fairly good targets for eventual invasion.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Eventual?
Europe is right now suffering the migrant conflict with millions of invaders.
This is globalist Game play... dumb us down, then fuck us with invasion.
makeshift98 7y ago
I can understand leftist politicians who want more voters and stupid liberals who think every race and culture is the same pushing these policies, but what exactly would the endgame for "globalists" be? Destroying western civilization and turning Europe into a 3rd world shit hole doesn't seem like it would work out well in the long run.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Look at British Colonialism or even the ancient Roman Empire.
Power.
It's easier to rule people who are dumbed down and confused. By inserting conficting peoples together it creates chaos.
If we go by the Georgia Guidestones the globalists want to get the population down to below half a billion.
Right now there are seven (point four) billion.
So there's a lot of war and Blue Pill brainwashing to go.
Don't expect things to suddenly get better.
Read this:
http://www.returnofkings.com/88093/soviet-defector-yuri-bezmenov-accurately-predicted-how-america-would-decline
vitringur 7y ago
Stating upfront that you are going to rape someone doesn't make it less of a rape.
Don't have sex with people that you employ. Just don't.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
It's only rape if they were underage.
If they were 18 years old or older there is no rape.
18 and 19 is still being a "teenager" technically.
In some states you can marry a girl of 16 and then sex is legal.
vitringur 7y ago
Abusing your professional power over someone to have them engage in sexual activity with you can easily be considered rape.
You don't fuck your employees.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
"Consenting Adults" means you take full reponsibility for the choices you make.
Women use their sex to gain Access.
In this case they used sex to get Access to roles they wanted.
They had the desire to gain validation by being the "star".
You must be new to the Red Pill because we have a low opinion of women exploiting situations and then turning around and crying rape... they know what they were doing and seeking Access to validation is a big thing for women, they crave it, and will sell their soul to the devil to get it.
Don't blame the devil here.
Devil's Advocate - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGXvj2BjZLA
vitringur 7y ago
I have been reading the pill for one and a half year, and used it to an extent to better my personal life and sex life. I have nothing against most guides on sexual strategy.
But I am not a dogmatic follower of uneducated bloggers who have no moral compass other than "getting laid by any means necessary".
In this particular case, the director is letting his own sexual desires get in the way of his profession. He is cheating his employers by using the theatre that he was trusted for, as his own personal harem.
He is also cheating the actresses, by setting the criteria that they have to give themselves up sexually to get further in their career, a career that has nothing to do with sucking his dick.
Sure, some of them might have accepted it. And I am not talking about them.
I am talking about the actresses that might have been more qualified for the jobs, but didn't get them, because they didn't fulfil his own personal desires.
That makes him a creepy fraud that has cheated everyone around him and abused his position of power for his own personal gain.
aguy01 7y ago
If he said she needed to duck him or she'd be fired it would be rape. What happened here is a bait and switch by the women. They fucked him with a covert contract and expected payment, and now that they aren't getting it they are getting their pimp to beat the guy up. Stop with this bluepill shit.
vitringur 7y ago
You never say that. Come one. Have you learned nothing about plausible deniability?
RedMoonAscendant 7y ago
Holy shit the lengths you are going to to call something that clearly isn't rape "rape." Give up already, Jesus. What isn't rape for you?
aguy01 7y ago
Lol you are a natural thought-cop. Also you got me with the trolling, we'll done.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
We have some Dark Triad types who are highly respected Red Pill contributers.
Would I do what the guy did?
Probably not.
But the Red Pill is amoral meaning we don't have moral judgements about the decisions of others.
The core fact here is that women crave validation and will literally prostitute themselves to get it.
This fact exposes a Red Pill truth... so it's of value.
We value truth here, we don't shy away from hard realities.
The women were given a free choice and that means it's not rape because rape requires physical force under conditions without consent.
This was consensual sex.
vitringur 7y ago
Bullshit. TRP is highly moral and casts judgement all the time when it concerns women. TRP just doesn't cast moral judgement over what means men use to achieve sex.
Which, by default, means that TRP has nothing against rape. So why be so afraid of admitting rape?
I have nothing against TRP, as a way to explain the way these people behaved. What I am against is TRPers commenting, casting judgement on the women and defending the man. He isn't their friend. They don't owe him any loyalty.
The choice is obviously not free if there there willingness to prostitute themselves is directly connected to the future of their professional career. That's just ridiculous.
Rape does not require physical force. In fact, most rape happens without physical force. If you need physical force to rape someone you are a pretty bad rapist.
Saying this is consensual is irrelevant. You can't prove it, because there were professional aspects of the act.
That is why you don't have sex with people you have direct power over.
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
Absolutely 100% incorrect.
I recommend the sidebar... it's one of our core principles.
We Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill because it's a mythology, but as far as Red Pill we are truth based and amoral.
This conversation is over I believe.
vitringur 7y ago
TRPers who comment on TRP are far from being amoral.
In fact, they are highly emotional and whining about injustice in every other thread.
I don't care about the blue pill. I don't even consider it a mythology. I agree with most of TRPs philosophy as to explain human behaviour and as a sexual strategy.
But in this case, we are dealing with a moral issue.
The question is not why those women had sex with him. TRP explains why. The question is not whether the strategy works. It obviously worked.
The question was whether the acts should be considered a crime and be illegal. The claim is that his abuse of power within the workplace should be considered rape.
In the same way, military tactics are amoral.
But I can still be against, and have moral opinions, about terrorist attacks.
They might work. We could even explain why they take place.
But that doesn't make it less of a crime and that doesn't mean we should just let them get away with it.
TRPers are not amoral. They are human beings.
And so forth, most of them seem to be condoning and supporting powerful men who abuse their positions to pressure other people into sexual activity.
So many TRPers seem to be so scared of being BPers, that they automatically become some cheerleading squad for men they glorify and adore.... which is probably the bitchiest betafag thing one can do.
Blue-22 7y ago
I'm confused. Were they under 18?
Either way, this is a don't shit where you eat situation, no?
favours_of_the_moon 7y ago
Definitely.
But this isn't "abuse." This is a girl using her pussy to get what she wants: attention and opportunity. But when she doesn't get as much of it as she wants, suddenly she turns around and makes an allegation.
RXRob 7y ago
Showbiz is different.
I'd never fuck the hot cashiers in my day job.
In my evening role, I've fucked a lot of hot young wannabe wrestlers in return for training and connections.
bsutansalt 7y ago
Skimming the article it looks like they were all early to mid 20s.
constructiveasshole 7y ago
College theatre graduates. Usually hot, desperate, and determined to be rich and famous.
vitringur 7y ago
Don't have sex with your employees.
This could easily be considered rape.
rp-oldgame 7y ago
This is how bad it is. People can now call the power dynamic females crave "rape" with a straight face.
vitringur 7y ago
The employer is the one with responsibility.
The responsibility of not letting his sexual desires get in the way of his professional work.
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It might be unprofessional. It's not rape.
Hjalmbere 7y ago
Normally I'm all for the don't shit where you eat policy, but I think part of the motivation for guys to become directors is that they get to sleep with leading ladies and hot young starlets. If this thing catches on we'll see a lot less good movies.
Obio1 7y ago
Don't shit where you eat has never, ever, not even once applied in Hollywood. Sleeping with directors and producers is standard practice and portraying the actors and actresses that do this as "victims" is hilarious.
Half of today's major actresses (and major male actors you didn't know sucked cock) got there today because they slept around.
Reminds me of the old joke: "Ever hear about the Polish actress that went to Hollywood? ... She fucked a writer".
TRP_Minor 7y ago
I wonder if there's a way to make it in Hollywood as a male without doing that stuff.
HS-Thompson 7y ago
Sure, just join Scientology.
BPasFuck 7y ago
Hah, jokes on you! Scientology is all about suckin' dicks.
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I used to be heavily involved in theatre and directors who weren't gay did this all the time. It's a hand that feeds situation, the girls who act well and are pretty get better breaks if they're involved with the director. In return he's getting young tail that never gets old cause the turnover rate is so high.
This is just a case of 'we found out he used us and now we feel bad cause equality and lack of agency'.
edit: Gay directors did the same thing, but it was way more hush hush.
Sdom1 7y ago
This guy's problem was that he went well beyond just fucking actresses. I doubt anyone would have said anything if that's all it was. His problem is that he's dark triad to a T, and one problem with dark triad tactics is that people become more aware as time goes on, so as a dark triad type you absolutely have to become powerful as you go along so you can weather the consequences of your actions.
If you read through the article, all the signs are there - manipulative, false charm, etc etc. Convincing a woman to burn a picture of her high school boyfriend or wear a sweater over a dress isn't alpha, amused mastery, now is it?
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My take on this beyond morality (which today means almost nothing in the big picture) is
He's alpha if he didn't care much about fucking or not that girl and this is just his way of being. He's not alpha if he cared too much about fucking her.
You can be the worst shithead you want to be and still be alpha if you just don't make a big deal of it.
We call beta the chaser and alpha the rock, whatever rock it is. Obviously this has nuances. But doesn't seem he overdid it. He just didn't become the superman they felt would be ok fucking randomly.
chaseemall 7y ago
True but irrelevant to the above. The question is, why did his actions have these ramifications? How could he have gotten what he wanted (sex) without the backlash?
Sdom1 7y ago
That didn't really have anything to do with what people are complaining about. He's dark triad, and while that can work well what a lot of people here gloss over is that most of them get called out eventually.
The fact that he fucked the girls is not a big deal. That's expected in that business. The fact that he got into controlling, abusive relationships with them is, however.
Go and read about his conduct and tell me if that's alpha or something different. Listening to her phone conversations? Making her cut up a picture of her high school bf when she's 30? Dude's not right in the head if that stuff is true.
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That crazy behavior probably added to his "artistic/passionate" appeal.
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Yes as i haven't read much of the article i just went with my limited perception and used this for a "general statement" kind of post.
Yeah those things eventually call him out as a 0 frame DT.
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vitringur 7y ago
Did their careers depend on them sleeping with him?
Was he abusing his power as their superior to have sex with them?
This could easily be considered rape. In fact, it might be in some countries.
Don't sleep with people that you have political or financial control over. Just don't.
SkorchZang 7y ago
No, he was putting his power to good use to fuck a lot of sexy women.
"It could be considered rape" only by a very puritan or feminist lot; that's because they see all sex as abusive for the woman. The woman is always the victim of her sex and the sex she has with men is supposedly never because she decided to do it, it's because the man forced her one way or another. We never say "she was stupid and gave up the goods for nothing", we say "he abused her".
Therefore all unsanctioned sex could be considered rape, especially if the woman later regrets it or it comes out publically and she needs an excuse to protect her reputation. And this lets-throw-the-men-under-the-bus-they-deserve-it-for-just-wanting-sex insanity passes for progressive and "highly moral" thinking in some countries nowadays.
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vitringur 7y ago
I'm not saying they are dim. I was saying there might have been more at stake.