Summary: Every man is a man, and some of us have better genetics than others. Testosterone is the number 1 reason you could possibly be depressed, have low energy, and can be a huge barrier to your success in life.
My story While listening to feminist propaganda for most of my life, there was always one simple stickler in my brain. Hormones shape who you are, what you think, and how you act. Everytime I heard that life is only full of social constructs, I kept thinking "Yeah well what about testosterone."
I was depressed all my life. I can't think of a single time in my life that I was happy, or even knew what happiness was. You get told all your life by everyone what they think your problem is. I was even suicidal at certain parts. AND I HAD NO IDEA WHY. I had tried everything the therapists could prescribe. Effexor, Zoloft, Prozac...none of it worked.
My dick stopped working as well. I had no problems in my later teen years and early 20's...but mid 20's I started having whiskey dick without the whiskey...That made things even worse, because I couldn't relax, I couldn't get blood to flow down there, and I was always freaking out when I took my clothes off.
Another sign is that I don't grow hair anywhere but my balls, legs, and head. I have almost no arm pit hair and I'm a silk sheet on my back and chest. No happy trail either.
I got tested for Low-T finally when I saw some commercial about viagra. A man that scientists think has normal levels of testosterone is somewhere around 600-1200 ng/dl, depending on the time of day you took the blood. You will have your highest levels of testosterone in the morning. Mine was a 197. My dad's was 94.
If you're a man and have been having serious low energy and depression issues, get a blood test done in the morning. It can't hurt, could it?
Now that I'm on testosterone injections, I have all the energy in the world. I hit the gym everyday with excitement. I go to work ready to make my coworkers look like lazy bitches. All thoughts of suicide are gone. I still have negativity issues, but that happens after a decade of thinking you are less of a man.
One thing that has helped but isn't fully repaired is my sex hormone, which is still low. I am way better at getting it up now, but I still struggle. I become a sex god when I take viagra though.
Viagra
Lets talk about the blue pill. First off, I never tell anyone I use it, ever. I've been called all kinds of names, specifically that I'm not a real man. Nothing I can change about genetics.
Repeated use of Viagra breaks down a specific protein that your penis uses to get hard. You really don't need to worry about this unless you're a porn star or overdosing. I use viagra about once a week, and I'm in no danger.
The thing about viagra is that it just makes it easy to get hard. It doesn't give me a hardon. I still have to do that. I still have to get over my complexes and relax. Thinking you ain't gonna get hard definitely leads to not getting hard. Tensing up leads to no blood flow.
Be careful with low blood pressure, which is something I also have. I take 50 mg of viagra when I'm pretty sure things are gonna go down in under an hour. If I take more than that, my heart goes crazy and I DEFINITELY don't get no blood flow down there. And now I'm having a panic attack.
Don't masterbate. This is the biggest thing that has helped me soooo much. I used to listen to advice to rub one out before meeting up with a girl...that's the last thing you want to do with Low-T. If you were like me, you would masterbate twice a day and be done with it. After not masterbating, you will have a ridiculous libido, and a drive and aggression that turns women on.
Work out as much as possible without injuring yourself. You will have leaps and bounds in gains. My body transformed seemingly overnight as soon as I started injections up, where it would take months to see any difference before.
Your body is a temple. Listen to it. Learn when it is out of whack, and there's no shame in admitting you're not a perfect genetic specimen of a man.
Edit:
Hey thanks guys for all the information. I feel like I learned a shit ton on hormones over this past day. Hormones are some of biggest reason to your success as a person. Even women need estrogen. I really think this is a topic that needs to be reposted often for high awareness in this sub. Especially with how society's mindset that testosterone is evil, there is so much misinformaction out there and barely anyone researching.
The end result is every single one of us has different situations on our hormones, and we owe it to ourselves to research and learn as much as possible. Keep lifting and fucking.
fivedollarsatthedoor 7y ago
I am glad I found this today. Getting checked when I can
lemming1607 7y ago
good luck!
I just started growing hair all over my stomach. I was a hairless bastard before
fivedollarsatthedoor 7y ago
I grow hair everywhere, it's the feeling down and just existing that I could relate to.
lemming1607 7y ago
yea thats the first thing that changed for me.
Anti-depressants and therapy wasn't working for me, which is what led me to start seeking out other ways you can become depressed. After multiple tests, they finally agreed with me that I had low testosterone. My depression was gone after about two injections and I feel great basically all the time now.
Good luck!
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[deleted] 7y ago
Noporn and Nofap helped me a lot. It's not a miracle cure but it certainly gets your drive up and makes you hornier by a lot.
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
I'm just an n=1 but with that low of testosterone (I was ~290) , you don't even want to fap. My grades were dropping, gym was becoming a drag, tired all the time, couldn't get it up (wasn't anxiety, I just didn't want to have sex. shitty feeling) But 125mg of Test E per week has made me into a new man. I want to fap almost all day but refrain and only orgasm with my girl.
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adam_varg 7y ago
Its natural reaction. Guys who dont experience libido going to shit after few weeks of no ejaculation, ejaculated during sleep unknowingly.
[deleted] 7y ago
I think it's called a flatline in the nofap community. Once you get over it you are golden but it's supposed to be tough as fuck.
[deleted] 7y ago
Nah man I believe you. Everything has different effects on people.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Same here. I stick to 2-3 days of no fap and then I empty my sack. I feel an energy spike around day 1-2 then it dips if I wait longer than a day.
-CcCc 7y ago
Did you completely stop or just reduce your weakly dose of fap?
NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 7y ago
Ah, here we see a filthy casual in his natural habitat. :-p
[deleted] 7y ago
Stopped and tried to get off by sex instead. When I have a dry spell I may masturbate once every four weeks or so. Depending on the urge. More important is the noporn aspect in my opinion: I know that some porn actresses out there look fucking gorgeous and it's hard to resist at the beginning, but site blockers will help you in those regards. I actually also just started with noporn like four weeks ago. Helped big time.
ChadThundercockII 7y ago
Yes. The brain needs to learn to get off in a vagina, not in a fleshlight or a tissue.
thInc 7y ago
Delete tinder too for that matter. It conditions your brain the same way.
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
Why every 4 weeks? Research shows that testosterone spikes from abstinence completely diminish after about a week. I always agree with the no-porn rule of nofap, but 4 weeks is a bit ridiculous
adam_varg 7y ago
Day 1-5 almost nothing, day 6 a little, day 7 significant spike, day 8-... back to zero change.
And for libido, if you dont ejaculate for couple weeks, your body take care of it by having wet dreams (not sure if its accurate translation), if not your libido will plummet to no libido at all.
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
That's what I found. After about two weeks my libido dried up.
ioncehadsexinapool 7y ago
There are other benefits to semen retention. Most of the worlds best fighters new the importance of semen retention. Look into it
play_time_is_over 7y ago
This is why I masturbate once a week (no porn).
My T is probably normal levels though so after one week I just want to fucking kill someone.
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It's not about the testosterone spike in my case. I'm just trying to get rid of the urge of jerking off.
nillotampoco 7y ago
I'm going to have to vouch for this as well. While so far I have been unsuccessful in even trying to go more than a week. However.
For myself, going 5 to 7 days without masturbating makes me approach more(simply because I'm hornier), clear headed, more outgoing, and gives me a small amount more will power to make beneficial choices.
I personally reccomend it to anyone who jerks it more than once a week, if anything it greatly enhances the pleasurebility of spanking it when you finally do cave.
You know how, as you continue a daily ritual, you slowly need more stimulation and more fetishistic material to feel the same level of arousal? My schedule as of late has been refraining for 5 days or so(at a point where I could get off to a sears catalog) and then going for broke with all the crazy big screen over stimulating stuff... it's great.
Not to mention! You will see an incredible difference, just take any attractive woman you see often enoughh that you could see them two days in a row. Day 10 since last incident you just feel sex in the air like if she offered you'd be ready like a colonial minuteman, and then day 00 since last incident mehh shes like not that hot meh. Get what im saying here?
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I'm like 3 days in and I'm already dying, how the fuck do those nofap guys go 90+? It's insane.
flutie_did_it 7y ago
Keep with it. When I started I would constantly fail around the 2 or 3 day mark. Every time I would fail, however, it made me more motivated to stick to NoFap. I haven't gone as far as some guys on that sub (my longest is 23 days, current streak is 9) however the benefits have been noticeable. I've had an increase in my sex drive and more energy throughout the day.
_the_shape_ 7y ago
The beginning is always the most rough, in my experience. If you absolutely must rub one out, do so but without porn. Step 1 is eradicating the connection between porn and masturbation. You need to eliminate the built-up desire to seek out porn in order to get off in the first place, and the reflexive impulse to see porn and instinctively go through the motions that follow.
Step 2 is to get active. Ideally, you want to do things you actually want to do, things you are actually interested, goals you truly want to reach, activities which help you become a stronger, more disciplined, self-actualized man, rather than running in circles in order to avoid sinking into "the devil's workshop" (idleness). The more this area of your life gains traction, in all likelihood, the less you will want to compromise what you've attained with something so stupid like gratifying yourself to a swarm of pixels on a screen.
90+ days is only "insane" because a) you haven't reached that point yet and b) your addiction is likely incredibly strong. You can do it.
nillotampoco 7y ago
Honestly I think if you're not getting laid 30+ days causes your libido to subside. Once or twice same day, every week or every ten days seems to be a good balance for benefits/drawbacks.
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Which is funny because they say the benefits don't even start showing until at least 30 or so days. Which is dead wrong IMO, I feel awesome after like a week.
I feel like I should try going 90 once in my life, just to see if it's all those guys claim it is.
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testoterone gains stop after 5-7 days, any longer than that and it starts negatively affecting your fertility
[deleted] 7y ago
Why do so many people think going beyond that is so amazing for you?
I think it might be a combo of no porn/self improvement/placebo.
mmmoreos 7y ago
They don't do 90 days for testosterone gains, that is supposedly to reset your brain and how it is aroused and how arousal affects your dopamine levels.
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My problem with the whole no fap thing is like a lot of other people have said I'm super horny and land a girl usually every time I make it to a week. I think it's just because I seek opportunities more and my horniness overcomes any bullshit excuse not to go for it. Problem is I cum so fucking quick. Like my dick gets so sensitive. Sadly happens sometimes before I even get it in sadly. This is while sober. Being drunk helps occasionally.
validstatement 7y ago
yeah I'm calling total BS on your fertility comment
adam_varg 7y ago
Nope libido and fertility get seriously fucked up after few weeks of no ejaculation. Usually body takes care of it by having wet dreams (or whatever its called in english).
validstatement 7y ago
still calling BS on that first statement. cite a source, please.
boredquince 7y ago
How do you stop masturbating?
I just can't. I'm horny all the freaking time. Even the day after sex.
I feel it would help my gym gains if i stopped but it's really hard :'(
Nodeal_reddit 7y ago
Doesn't that kind of mean that your hormone levels are ok then?
lemming1607 7y ago
It's all about discipline. If your body is used to something, anything, it will crave it. It took about a week for me to not get constant urges to masterbate.
Also you could have sex twice a day, but that requires a willing woman.
For me, I just focused on the gym and used all the sexual energy to do constructive things, like write or paint or work. I avoided computers and only got into bed when it was time for sex or sleep
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Then you don't have low t and shouldn't worry about no fap
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Then you don't have low t and shouldn't worry about no fap
yamehameha 7y ago
It consists of a lot of try and fail. The important thing is not to give up. Take baby steps. Dopamine is a drug just like nicotine and you are suffering from addiction.
crew45 7y ago
If you can't stop then do this.
Get a fleshlight, lay it on a bed with a pillow on top and fuck it missionary style. This will give you some of the benefits of NoFap because it will cause you to format muscle memory that will kick in when you have sex with a girl.
The key is to break the learned connection between your hand and your boner.
[deleted] 7y ago
Great point. Also breaks the connection between your dick and pixels.
circlhat 7y ago
Contrary to others Discipline is not the key but becoming a person who doesn't value masturbation.
When I was little I use to like to watch cartoons all day, now I can't stand cartoons, this has nothing to do with will but outlook.
I only stop masturbating when I was in the one night stand scene and needed to get hard, I never knew when a call might come in and it took 2 days recovery for me to stay hard during sex.
After doing that for about a year porn and masturbation lost all meaning
[deleted] 7y ago
This. When you create for yourself a life worth living, the habits you used to escape (drugs booze porn stupid-food) wont have to be such habits anymore.
Geckobird 7y ago
Well, the good news is that if you're horny all the time you're testosterone levels probably aren't low. Masturbating isn't horrible, but you have to limit yourself. I try not to masturbate more than once every week or two. If I do, my energy levels go down a lot. But if I go more than a week I just get horny to the point where I have to fuck something or someone. If I can't find anyone, a hand will do. When you do masturbate work on sexual techniques and try to last longer.
[deleted] 7y ago
Not necessarily. I masturbate around 2 to 4 times a day and my levels have tested in the mid 300s twice this year.
[deleted] 7y ago
Jesus Christ. It's amazing how different two individuals can be.
adam_varg 7y ago
Nah. High T levels doesn mean high libido, its different hormone.
You get full sexual function at 400 total T, above that it wont make you more horny or dick harder. When you get under 400 it will affect your libido somewhat.
unsoughtiron 7y ago
I had super hard sex with my gf this morning and at night she refused - so I jerked off twice!. I always feel bad about jerking off but many a days I just couldn't relax without beating one off. it just cannot happen .
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hesalop 7y ago
My fellow red pillers, I just wanted to say that this is one of the most healthy and informative discussions on the taboo topic of testosterone I've ever come across. Every post here has something meaningful to contribute, so kudos to all you guys for participating.
beginner_ 7y ago
An additional issue is that you have to have very low T (below 300 ng/dl) to be even considered for replacement therapy. 300 is the level of a 80+ year old man. So if you have that level even at 50 not to mention at 20 you are fucked.
If you test at that level it's recommended to make a retest in the afternoon (level is lower) and intentionally sleep less the night before and drink some alcohol. All lower your T-level. However even doctors have no clue about what si a healthy level, the do will tell you to come in yearly for exactly above reasons. Resist, say doesn't work for you because of work.
Blubsdad 7y ago
I mean, not masturbating wont increase your test. According to studies in the first 6 days your test will slowly rise or stay constant and on the 7th day your test levels will spike up and then return to normal on the 8th. Longterm testosterone increase wasn't found. So by that results it is actually most beneficial to fap once a week.
I tried no fap myself multiple times, at times for almost 2 months and I actually haven't found any real benefits. IMO it actually has increased my acne.
lemming1607 7y ago
it doesn't increase your test, but it helps when having sex, which is a huge issue for me and those with low t
play_time_is_over 7y ago
Agreed. 1 week is golden spot. After 7 days I go crazy and cant sleep until I let one loose.
Project_Thor 7y ago
Acne is a symptom of testosterone.
Blubsdad 7y ago
Ye that's the weird thing, after having only negative effects(increased acne) and a flatline(no desire for sex) I quit. Now I just stick to one fap a day and my sexual drive is still amazing.
ioncehadsexinapool 7y ago
I'm not gonna throw facts at you, but I'll advise you to consider testosterone sensitivity. It's hypothesized that the more you fap. The more "inflated" your testosterone becomes. Activities release the same amount of dopamine (usually) but your brain down regulated receptors to make a new baseline. Look into it
dongpal 7y ago
so fapping less makes you more sensitive to Testosteron?
ioncehadsexinapool 7y ago
Essentially. Don't take my word for it tho. Look into it.
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horsemeat89 7y ago
This guy knows what he's talking about, but it's kind of generic . Eat healthy. Workout. Take Fish Oil. Vitamin D3 can help a lot, especially if you don't get much sunlight.
To add on to his post, if you get morning wood you probably have a high/normal level of T. If you have no morning wood but a good sex drive, you're probably fine. If you have no morning wood and no sex drive, you're probably low.
There can be tons of other factors, but if you clean up your diet and work out and you're still getting problems then go get your levels tested.
adam_varg 7y ago
You get full sexual function (regular morning boners included) when you get your T total to about 400. Above that your libido wont get higher and dick harder. But its still half of what your levels should be and it will shows on your recovery ability, mood etc
greatslyfer 7y ago
Ok buddy.
Good info overall but the decreased resting heart rate sounds like BS.
RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
Take this with a grain of salt...
People have 100bpm resting heart rate, and if a simple thing like this will get it down to 60/70, it's already a massive gain.
Also, it will clearly do exactly nada for Usain Bolt.
writewhereileftoff 7y ago
Yeah maybe if you are a world class conditioned athlete
Phototoxin 7y ago
My heart rate is now 2 bpm
Wuba-lubadubdub 7y ago
Casual. I've got my down to 4 beats per hour.
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O_Son 7y ago
Use glass bottles. Mason jars, or reuse juice containers if you don't want to buy a glass water bottle. And don't drink tap water unless you have to. Get reverse osmosis water from a health food store and add minerals to it.
CMDR_MBISON 7y ago
Most water in my country is in plastic bottles, so I guess I just have to bite the bullet.
do_it_or_leave 7y ago
Do you have any scientific sources for your affirmations?
refusewool 7y ago
It disheartens me when I see a comment with loads of apparently valuable information but then no scientific basis.
Glacia 7y ago
Pretty much all advice here is broscience at best. I don't want to disappoint anyone, but there's no "natural" way of significantly increasing testosterone. Protip: any advice about health that has "natural" in it is practically bullshit.
validstatement 7y ago
pretty much all of what he said is scientifically valid, except for the resting heart rate comment.
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adam_varg 7y ago
That one is actually easy to google up.
unptitdej 7y ago
I disagree with sugar decreasing testosterone. I read that insulin makes testosterone drop but you need insulin to build muscle so it's okay. I personally use sugar to add calories to bulk and I have very good testosterone. Just not right after the meal I guess!
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unptitdej 7y ago
Insulin will build muscle and store fat but I still like your fire extinguisher metaphor. I don't like to listen to things blindly, especially when testing it myself is not that much work. So I tested sugar and it was not a problem for me. I am an ectomorph however and I only speak for myself.
kremer5 7y ago
testosterone is something every guy here should be conscious of
Redasshole 7y ago
This describes me perfectly.
I got tested for testosterone. I got 90. The doc said it's considered normal in my country (I don't live in the US) and refused to give me treatment.
O_Son 7y ago
Most Drs and people that study hormones in great detail agree that 500 is a more appropriate normal level (at least up until 50 or so I think it is), general practitioners/family Drs are often times not up to date with data like this so they trust that the reference ranges are correct.
I encourage you to read a lot about nutrition, avoiding all plastics, etc. Read the long comment by Professor_ Red on this page, it's supported by the most recent research. Especially check out the links to TestShock and the AnabolicMen blog that he provided. I read that blog all of the time and agree with 99% of it, I haven't bought TestShock so I can't say if it's worth it for someone that's read much of that blog.
If you're not lifting then lift bro!
db0255 7y ago
It depends on your age. It might be low normal for someone above 50.
gostwiththemost 7y ago
Be careful your labs don't use different units. The units for US labs are nanograms/deciliter.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
exactly. I got tested overseas and it came back low as shit but then I looked at the units and I was good
Polaris382 7y ago
Well Im not sure what country you live in (like how intrusive the customs agents might be), but there are plenty of ways to obtain testosterone. Via the Deep Web markets or overseas. Hell even Alibaba offers cheap bulk powdered versions (so you would have to "brew" them yourself)...although I would be a bit sketched out about using those personally.
wiseprogressivethink 7y ago
That's fucked up, man. 90 isn't normal for any man between the ages of like 10 and 80.
EDIT: Actually, it depends on whether you're talking about free testosterone or total testosterone.
90 is on the low end of normal for free testosterone. But 90 is way below normal if you're talking about total testosterone.
Redasshole 7y ago
Yes, it's 90 nanograms/deciliter free testosterone
lemming1607 7y ago
wow dude, I'm sorry about that. Have you looked at other doctors?
Redasshole 7y ago
The doc I went to is supposed to be one of the best..
lemming1607 7y ago
The problem with low-t and doctors is that there isn't alot of information out there on it. I've been to two urologists and an endocrinologists, and each one cited me different "normal" testosterone levels.
silentlyfurious 7y ago
How were you able to convince the doc's to give you TRT? I just got my T tested and it came back 272, and my doc said that it was within the "normal range" (150-700). I am doing everything I can right now to increase my health & well-being; eating healthy, exercising daily etc, and would like to see how I went after a blast of TRT. Any advice?
lemming1607 7y ago
yeah I've had doctors give me different ranges as well...I took 5 tests before they agreed, because depending on the time of day, what you eat, and what you've done before the test you'll have different levels. Your highest levels will be in the morning and your lowest are before you sleep.
The doctor I am seeing said normal range was 250-900, and I was at 193. So your doctor would've said I was in normal range. I've had doctors say the same as yours. There is almost no research or funding for finding out about Low T because of where our political climate is at the moment (testosterone is evil).
If you'd like, you can print out all the benefits and research of getting testosterone when you have Low-T, and argue with your doctor. I mean he or she is just a human being and possibly can be reasoned with, especially if you've ruled out everything else. I had to go through a gamut of tests, like my thyroid and lifestyle to convince them I had Low-T.
You could always switch doctors, but that's always a hassle, especially with endocrinologists. The doctors in my area had a 6 month waiting list, and I finally went to a Urologist, and they're like fuck yeah here's some TRT.
Good luck to you man, I never wanna go back to low T. My testosterone is 800-900 now and I feel fucking awesome.
badkarma5833 7y ago
For any one else suffering from low-T I would suggest getting your balls checked as well. I currently have a varicocele and its effecting my T Levels. I was diagnosed with a Grade II Varicocele last March. Over a few months I started to feel generally weak, foggy minded, lack of motivation to do things. Eventually I got around to checking my T levels and my total T was 290. I also found out I was pre-diabetic at the time but my blood sugar wasn't out of control to make my T level so low. Nor was I badly out of shape. Ive since gotten back into tip top shape and have been lifting for 6 months. My total T now is 511 and Free T is still at a 7 (low). I need to have surgery to correct the Varicocele which I will be getting done soon. I would have never know about it if I wasn't already going to the gym and my balls started to hurt while doing dead lifts.
TL;DR: Get you're balls checked, issues down there can be causing low T
iliketreeslikereally 7y ago
Hmm I need to do this, there's something wrong with my left ball and I've got ED.
badkarma5833 7y ago
Def get it checked out. Also find a good urologist if you are indeed diagnosed with one. My hormones are all whacky since I got this thing. A lot of urologist will try to sway you about doing anything about this condition but its def not something you want festering. It can cause testicle atrophy after a while as well as infertility and low T. Do you're research get youre blood checked and find a good surgeon if this is youre issue. If anyone is interested I will post about after surgery and how my T levels and other things are affected.
Kryonixc 7y ago
Stop the "nofap" meme. It doesn't matter if you fap, I fap all the time even when I have a gf, when I work out etc.. It's just natural and I never had problems with testosterone or dating.
lemming1607 7y ago
If you have low T, it helps alot not to fap
taoofmojo 7y ago
You should read the book 'eat stop eat' fasting increase growth hormone by 6 fold. At the 16 hour mark you get a increase in growth hormone 2 fold increase. So if you want higher growth hormone skip break fast and pick one day to do a 24 hour fast. Don't forget that fasting is a stressor so be careful.Fasting loads of other benefits to many to list and research is coming out all the time showing re build the immune system and increase the production of myelin in the brain. The only reason why we eat break fast is because of Edward Bernays who was ask to help increase the sales of bacon and Edward Bernays was Freud cousin.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
How about your energy, muscles and performance in the gym before you took testosterone injections?
lemming1607 7y ago
my energy was horrible. I would feel exhausted before and after work and make excuses not to go. I never wanted to go out with friends. When I started d9ing squats everday, that helped. I was making gains and hitting goals, just not as accelerated with the injections
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
And did you have hair on your legs, some facial hair? Or like zero?
lemming1607 7y ago
It took me a week to grow stubble. When I was in the military, I could go without shaving for 2 days and no one would say anything to me. Now I'm growing hair on my stomach and I have to shave everyday to keep it in check.
My legs haven't changed...Its pretty thin hair though
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Thanks for the responds. Your posts sparked my interest about my own testosterone levels. I don't think their below average but I suspect they might normal. I'm doing allot to increase my levels so that's allot of effort wasted. I'm gonna do a blood test for hormone levels and blood sugar.
lemming1607 7y ago
hell yeah, that's the point of the post. There's so little information out there and it took years for me to discover what was wrong with me. Alot of men's issues could be your testosterone levels, and from all the research I've been doing I'm pretty sure its one of the biggest causes of depression in men.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Would you say you were far behind your fellow friends and guys you knew of your age?
lemming1607 7y ago
in terms of what? As far as getting women, I didn't have issues when I was younger. Apparently being 6 feet tall is a large check mark for women just wanting to get laid.
As I grew into my mid 20's though, the depression and whiskey dick effect became huge factors. I feel like I was definitely behind people my age in terms of success and where I wanted to be at in life. The past year has opened everything up though since starting testosterone.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
I mean in bone growth, having a baby face, muscles and hair.
Where you from? Over here being 6 feet tall is considered average. I reach 6'1 and women consider it nothing special- in fact some considered me short compared to the 6'4's that walking around.
lemming1607 7y ago
I live in Texas...tall people are common here, but most of my life was spent in the military, where I got to see all walks of life, and I was definitely taller than most.
whatsazipper 7y ago
If you were continuously using SSRIs/SNRIs, that could be responsible for your dick issues. They are well known for sexual dysfunction, even after cessation of use.
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Where did you hear about this? I did some research but couldn't find anything definitive.
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
I would really like to see this. My urologist said Viagra and Cialis were safe for long term use
lemming1607 7y ago
I'm not sure actually. I think I heard about it from porn stars, now that I think about it. It was a paper on how repeated overdosing of viagra can lead to you being completely dependent on it.
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
how much is an overdose? I usually take 25mg if I use Viagra. Or 5mg daily of Cialis (that's what the box says to take)
lemming1607 7y ago
100 MG is the max dosage doctors recommend. I wouldn't take more than that, but it may be dependent on your body type
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I don't think you can overdose with normal usage, unlike pornstars who might have to go 5 or 6 rounds a work day
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
good to hear. I love that drug
nzgs 7y ago
I'd say workout as little as possible. You should be maximising recovery, not time spent in the gym. When results aren't coming in, the response should be to increase training effort and increase recovery, not waste more time in the gym. Otherwise agree with everything in your post.
RedPillFreedom 7y ago
From someone that has dealt with multiple injuries, I recommend this.
Edit: A simple approach of a little more recovery that week versus going harder could've prevented it. Now, you're out for a few weeks and have to deal with it.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
YUP. More than 45 min (if you work out hard , not talk to people), you start getting a fast drop of diminishing returns.
If you need to work out 3 hours a day. Do it over 4 sessions, with meals in-between.
30-45mins is actually ideal.
lemming1607 7y ago
I didn't think I had problems in the gym. I had hit my goals and was maintaining what I liked.
It all changed when I started taking my injections. I completely changed my routine and all my goals because of what I was accomplishing.
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
I would take 2 weeks off then hit the gym hard again with a new training program to keep it fresh. Also, most people who don't see results simply aren't eating enough. Track cals and protein with Myfitnesspal app
Ouchman 7y ago
I'll just leave this here :
Minimise stress
Cold showers
No porn
Don't fap more than about twice a week
Low bf%
Have a diet high in protein (red meat is the best protein source for test, soy is the worst) and good fats (nuts are the best source of these) and with a low glycemic load and low bad fats. Also get enough cholesterol (egg yolks and coconut oil are probably the healthiest options for this)
Supplement ZMA, vitamin D3 and creatine, test boosters do fuck all
Do compound lifts and callisthenics
Don't live a sedentary lifestyle
Do HIIT and LISS cardio about 3 times a week combined
Sleep at least 8 hours a night
Be around attractive women and try and get as far with them as you can
Keep alcohol and cannabis intake to a minimum
Have a healthy and open posture
Don't wear tight underwear or trousers
Expose your skin to sunlight more (obviously with the right measures taken to prevent sunburn and skin cancer)
Don't eat or drink anything out of a plastic container that has BPAs in it
Also some other shit that boosts testosterone but might not be doable or worth it for whatever reason: Shoot guns, openly express controversial opinions (especially ones deemed conservative and/or racist), smoke tobacco (although there's some conflicting evidence on this), keep workouts below 45-60 minutes, watch a sports match where your team wins, meditate, get in a fight (martial arts, boxing etc. is probably a safer option than a random streetfight).
Hope that helps.
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vox_veritas 7y ago
You claim that openly expressing racist opinions boosts testosterone? And, don't drink alcohol or smoke cannabis, but do smoke tobacco? Jesus.
Ouchman 7y ago
Well, to say the truth this is a copy/pasta from 4chan, this is not written by me. I don't think tobacco boost test. Saying something you really think instead of being politically correct and lying about your opinions (racist or not) can boost test (going out you comfort zone, having balls, being unshakable about your opinions, ...)
wiseprogressivethink 7y ago
It's solid advice for any man who is feeling tired, depressed, or lacking in sex drive - get your T-level checked.
There are different options available - creams/gels, monthly shots, and for more long-term there are pellets that can be surgically (outpatient) inserted under the skin.
Testosterone is literally (along with the Y chromosome) what makes you a man. If you're lacking it, you won't feel right, and if you aren't feeling right, you won't act right. And then you're stuck in beta-ville.
So just get the blood-work done and find out.
smfc 7y ago
betas make up like 90% of the male population these days I swear.
blackhawks93 7y ago
I recommend Horny Goat Weed instead of Viagra. It's a lot safer and does the same thing.
lemming1607 7y ago
everytime I go to the gas station, they're always out of them
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empatheticapathetic 7y ago
The no masturbating thing needs a disclaimer.
I did Nofap last year for the first time ever after being a serial masturbator to porn. 90 days I was peaked, it was great. The next 90 days I had serious depression (no sexual activity for me yet).
After I ended it my libido was simply done. I went back to porn and masturbation for a while and it sorted of activated again, but it was generally missing.
Just been on Nofap again for a month or so and had zero sexual drive. Went on a date and had nothing going on.
I've gone back to PMO again because I've read you either use it or lose it. I'll eventually get rid of the porn and stick to weekly or dual weekly masturbation. I also lift for the record.
lemming1607 7y ago
yeah I wouldn't stop masterbating if you have no chance of having sex.
Once you have a steady supply of sex though, not masterbating when you have Low-T significantly improves results.
ioncehadsexinapool 7y ago
Yeah. Use it or lose it for sure. But don't abuse it. I've noticed that if I fap once or twice every 5-15 days my libido is great. Any less it's almost nonexistent. Any more and I'm just always tired.
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You say your libido diminished but what about your inclinations and ability to do other productive things?
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Hit and miss. It'd been so long since I masturbated I couldn't tell the difference. I've been back on PMO this last week and probably have the same level of apathy I always have.
RavelsBolero 7y ago
Really bad.
Look up "your brain on porn". "Flatlining" is common when stopping fapping and returning to natural sexual urges
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I used to follow Nofap religiously. I know all of it, but if it leaves me with an unusable dick then it's all irrelevant. I've had flatline but this flatline ain't ending.
JokarAkaFatum 7y ago
Maybe you just went into flatline? Everybody reacts different.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I hoped it was flatline but it just never came back. It's been too long and I am convinced I've done some sort of damage. By the original 90 days I got hard so easily and in appropriate situations and it fuelled me. But after that it's just been very unresponsive, after various different attempts at Nofap and regular masturbation.
HEADPOCKET 7y ago
Did you only focus on nofap or did you eliminate porn as well?
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Yeah no fap/no porn/hard mode. Whatever it's called.
ChadThundercockII 7y ago
It's [current year], you can get laid at the drop of a hat. Call a pro.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I've been a few times this year (literally my entire sexual history). Doesn't do much for me at all anymore and shits expensive, but as I said my libido has been MIA.
ChadThundercockII 7y ago
Maybe you can try NoFap again and when you reach the the 60 days line, go see a pro but this time ask her to be a little bit "active". you know, she can tell you to fuck her harder and shit, like in porn. That will do it for you, IMO.
I fapped to some fucked up shit. It fucked up my brains and had a hard time getting rid of the programming. Pros helped a lot. And now, all I phantasm raw dogging mildly attractive chicks in missionary and doggy.
Hang on tight my dude. It will be alright.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I'm with you on the fucked up shit. Probably why most people find nofap. I've tried it again and i just end up in a perpetual flatline; it's too easy for me to give up the masturbation. The only way i can think to build it back up is going back to regular PMO and then stopping once i've built a routine of regular (P)MO. Anti no-fap followed by nofap. Nofap right now is just too easy for me and i gain nothing.
I've got other things i need to do before i start looking for pussy anyway, i get too caught up in this shit and neglect my main priorities. I'll get there someday, need to stop thinking there's a rush. Cheers for the advice.
ChadThundercockII 7y ago
IMO, flatlines occur when you are not replacing the porn with sex. I have never had a flat line even when I went for the 4 months.
Get your life where you want it but give this part of it some time. Let your brain heal itself. It will amaze you. I'm going for a two weeks trip/hike to climb the tallest mountain in my country. It's gonna be awesome and I'm gonna fuck some of the local prostitutes in the mountain area. Gonna be awesome.
This is huge man. Kudos for spotting it. We do this most of the time without realizing it. It's like a black hole for energy filled with fear and stress.
Keep on trucking.
Yokep 7y ago
In 2013 when I told my doctor that my dick stopped working at the age of 29 he literally laughed in my face.
I was in my final year of grad school and I was insanely depressed and suicidal. I thought it was due to me leaving my religion (Mormonism) but it was mostly due to T-levels. My levels were around 200.
He wouldn't prescribe TRT but he gave me some Levitra which worked fine for sex but didn't fix any of my other issues.
I almost failed out of grad school and I couldn't hold a job until 2015. I made a friend who taught me how to buy enanthate and cypionate and how to inject.
It's been a year and although I don't lift as much as I should, I am so incredibly happy now.
Every day is a fucking blessing.
Life can be so fucking awesome.
ronsoness 7y ago
i'm around the same age. just curious, does this have to be a permanent injection? or is it okay to just use it every now and then when you're feeling down?
also, congrats on getting the job.
lemming1607 7y ago
hell yeah. I first suspected I was having Low-T issues in 2011 and one of the biggest hurdles was just talking to my doctor about it. They drew my blood 3 times before they would admit I probably have testosterone issues, while prescribing me other things for my depression.
O_Son 7y ago
Have you tried going to a hormone clinic? Sometimes they're called anti-aging clinics or something of that sort.
Yokep 7y ago
No. I have thought about it but I just started recently making good money so I'll probably revisit the subject.
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Good shit. Just curious how much are you dosing?
Yokep 7y ago
250 mg a week. Not much but definitely enough for me.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
how dangerous are those and what are bad side effects?
hesalop 7y ago
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Just curious: how much does this cost you per month? And do you plan on taking it indefinitely? I really want to go see my doctor about this but I just can't help but think I'll be dismissed.
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hesalop 7y ago
Oh this is really interesting. Just curious, what made you decide to get tested? Did you find that you lacked in certain 'masculine' qualities? And were there clear physical signs that you had testosterone deficiency? I'm trying to decide if I really want to get on it.
hamsterdeadpool 7y ago
I would recommend getting tested. There is no reason to walk around wondering if you have low t, and getting on trt will make you feel so much better. I just looked up the symptoms, saw that I had all of them, so I went to the clinic
Yokep 7y ago
A vial costs about $100. Lasts 8 weeks at 250 mg a week.
Atlantic medical supply sells needles for $40. They ship to your house in a few days
Alcohol swabs cost $5. Lasts months.
EDIT: I'm going to keep doing it until I can't do it anymore. Meaning until I run out somehow.
WoahScienceCool 7y ago
FUCK TRT! THATS RIGHT- FUCK TRT!
Repeat after me: Chlomid, Chlomid, Chlomid, CHLOMID!
Get on this shit now. Saved my life. Its a breast cancer drug that doubles as a fertility booster. Bodybuilders use it to get their natural Testosterone levels working again after a steroid cycle. As someone with naturally low-T, this stuff will maximize your natural Testostetone levels to the highest possible levels with no side effects besides some moodiness (just obviously dont do stupidly high doses, and taper off by halving your doses every week as you get towards the end of your Chlomid cycle- if you wish to even get off). You can do a cycle or you can stay on it indefinitely, either way it doesnt matter. I run it once per year myself, and I get it in liquid form off of bodybuilding peptide websites. You can research more about it through bodybuilding forums. I also run it with an Aromatase Inhibitor known as Aromasin to stop the added Testosterone from converting to Estrogen, also available on the peptide websites. A great bonus for Chlomid is it will make you cum GALLONS, my girl absolutely loved it. Seriously, DO NOT DO TRT UNLESS YOU EXHAUST ALL OTHER OPTIONS. Once you are on TRT, there is no going back. If Chlomid fails to get you results, THEN get on TRT.
Hell, if you have a smart endo, he might actually just prescribe Chlomid first, to see if you even need to go on TRT. This does happen to a few lucky individuals.
Anyways, just my experience, good luck!
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WoahScienceCool 7y ago
Ive done both before. Nolvadex sucks, lowers IGF levels (big no no), doesnt increase Test levels as much as Chlomid, and comes with little to none of the sexual bonuses. Vision and brain fog only occur on super, stupid high doses, which I said to avoid. Bodybuilders all typically follow a set dosage that maximizes T while avoiding side effects. I personally still have 20/20 vision, and have no need for contacts or glasses at the age of 26.
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WoahScienceCool 7y ago
Haha nice. I hated Caber. I ran Pramipexole and loved it. The dopamine gave me a nice antidepressent effect as well, and the huge Growth Hormone boost that came with it actually made quite a noticeable difference physically thats still noticeable now long after discontinuation. The sexual effects were also far more pronounced, refrectory period after the most powerful orgasms ever was nonexistent, and when ran with Chlomid I pretty much covered my girl in more white than a Chicago street in the winter time.
Pramis also great mentally because it makes you more daring and ballsy as well. People often become sex addicts and do risky stuff on it due to the effects of Dopamime. That, as long you are mindful and dont let it get out of control, combined with the antidepressent effects, could make Prami perfect for someone who may ottherwise be a nervous, shy, "play it safe" type of person looking to open up and be more assertive.
If you liked Caber, youll LOVE Prami. First week or so is rough with vomitting and cold like symptoms, but after that youre on God Mode for MONTHS. Dont do it indefinitely however, so as not to blow out your Dopamine receptors.
12_f_taiwan 7y ago
It's funny: if you want to cut your dick off - they'll prescribe estrogen for you. But if you want to increase your T-levels - you are dangerous sociopath.
TheBeardedMarxist 7y ago
I'm not sure what you mean. Testosterone replacement therapy is getting pretty common.
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Agreed. OP's range is actually pretty wrong. "Normal" is really like 350-1200.
It's like you mean to tell me someone with 4x of the most important male hormone is treated the same as I am, and I can't be treated? In-fucking-real!
TRP_Minor 7y ago
I asked my doctor to see my test levels and she laughed in my face. My parents won't do anything because they think it's a stupid thing to worry about. I'm 17 so I can't do shit, this is fucking infuriating.
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yomo86 7y ago
I have to ask. Are there any side-effects regarding the hormonal substitution if one really has a low T-count?
Strike48 7y ago
I think the biggest side effect that I was personally worried about would be the conversion to estrogen due to higher test count. Shouldn't be a concern if you're not obese and if you are, they have pills (anastrozole or exemestane) to drop estrogen. I only run those when I'm on a full on steroid cycle though because I have ridiculous amount of testosterone in me and it's inevitable that we will turn to excess estrogen through aromatize. Don't need them on regular replacement therapy doses.
There's also possible acne, baldness if you're genetically predisposed and a few other minor side effects. All side effects are on an individual bases. Im lucky in that I don't have any serious side effects from using, but I've talked to others who absolutely cant seem to handle change of hormones.
yomo86 7y ago
So, it is safe to say as long as you only achieve 'normal' levels of testosteron via injections - no harmful side-effect, like liver failure or man boobs will manifest?
Strike48 7y ago
You shouldn't have any issues with the liver because it's not an oral steroid. If your estrogen gets out of whack then the man boobs are possible, but like I said, it's very low risk with normal levels and as long as you monitor for it it shouldn't be an issue. Shit, even guys with regular hormone levels sometimes get gyno. The man boobs can affect even those that have never injected testosterone so there's always a risk.
blackhawks93 7y ago
What are the long term effects? I want to live to be 80 or 100. Would taking test make my lifespan shorter?
Strike48 7y ago
At replacement doses I'm not sure. At steroid cycle dosages most likely shortened lifespan, but who knows by how much.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was a bodybuilder known for taking large doses of testosterone and other steroids. He's 68 currently and still seems to be healthy. There are other abusers however that have died extremely early. I think it just depends on how bad you abuse the compounds. Replacement therapy probably wont kill you early since you're legitimately just bringing yourself to a normal level like anyone else would have. The only difference is that you're getting it from an outside source.
blackhawks93 7y ago
Yea I just wonder about that because it's different than natural test. Also Arnold might not be the best example because didn't he have heart surgery twice?
I wish steroids were 100% safe and they were proven.
seattleron 7y ago
For something unrelated.
If responsible AAS use wasn't achievable, Hogan, Arnold, and Ferrogno would have been dead long ago.
Strike48 7y ago
Nope, testosterone is testosterone. It has the same molecular structure whether it came from your nads or in a lab. The only difference is that the testosterone that you inject is suspended in oil so that you're able to inject it.
Very true. I think he had it once. Not sure if twice, but regardless he's not the best example I suppose.
grewapair 7y ago
Imagine that. A doctor who makes a ton of money in kickbacks off the prescriptions told you your T was low and offered you a prescription.
I'm not saying he was right or wrong, but it might be a good idea to stop taking it, and have it tested by someone who doesn't stand to make as much money by telling you your T was low. I'd be shocked if there wasn't at least some exaggeration.
gostwiththemost 7y ago
Once you've already been on the injections for a while, your body loses the ability to make its own testosterone, permanently. You can either stay on shots for the rest of your life, which is actually really cheap. Pharm testosterone is about $40 for a 5 month supply without insurance, then needles are a little more. Or you can live the life of a low T male with all the problems that come with it.
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That's very far from an exaggeration... Average men are between 300-1200ng/dl.
ioncehadsexinapool 7y ago
Mine was 314 when I had zero fucking energy. I've since started taking zinc, cut back severely on masturbation, and also getting some sun and taking fish oil. Sex seems a lot more interesting that it used to. I'm also 21
grewapair 7y ago
And how do you know the results were accurate.
Oh, that's right. You don't.
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And how do you know they aren't?
Oh... neither do you.
fanthor 7y ago
If you knew how to read he actually did tell to him to check it independentlu
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grewapair 7y ago
I think it's best to check.
slay_it_forward 7y ago
Here come the conspiracies.
grewapair 7y ago
Personal experience.
I take Propecia for my hair. It's expensive as hell. After many years, I finally asked my dermatologist for Proscar. It's the same drug, but 5mg per pill instead of 1mg for 1/30th the price in a generic.
My doctor gave me a colossal run around, pretending to 'accidentally" mis-proscribe it in a way that required being filled by the name brand. I kept going back and asking him to correct it. He kept "accidentally" doing it wrong.
At the third time, he finally admitted he was never going to proscribe it. He was getting free trips and such from the manufacturer, so there was just no way.
That's when I learned you really can't trust them.
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grewapair 7y ago
Great. It's always best to double check a doctor who is known to be eager to proscribe.
Monkey_Jerk 7y ago
Primary or secondary hypogonadism?
Strike48 7y ago
Pituitary issue so secondary. The balls work fine.
Monkey_Jerk 7y ago
With secondary, which is what I had, I'd always be wondering if it was fixable without testosterone injections. What was the issue?
Strike48 7y ago
Never found out exactly. We ruled out a tumor with bloodwork and a scan. I think it was just the pituitary not working right in signaling for the hormones necessary for testosterone production.
Monkey_Jerk 7y ago
I guess once you've looked into everything and still can't find the cause you just gotta go for it.
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AFPJ 7y ago
Basically the only reason why Trestolone never took off:
..."Trestolone is an experimental contraceptive treatment and is not yet available commercially"...
...Shit's been around since the 60s, no doubts about efficacy as BC, alas side effects include manhood gains. So nope, can't have that. "not yet available". Lmao. A huge bonus though is that unlike most AAS it is unscheduled & ergo not (yet) illegal.
Redpillc0re 7y ago
This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but at its core it's true. Not because some alien evil power is conspiring to take away our T, but because to literally make a society you need to manage men's T. A group of men with equally high T never made a sustainable society, that's why you need this stratification. In addition, you have all those males crammed in high-density cities, instead of the more natural, rural way of living. This means the probability of conflict increases geometrically. Therefore, all modern societies are basically organized around how to manage men's T in layers, from bosses to corporate slaves..
stawek 7y ago
There is another possibility.
Some groups of people have lower testosterone (for whatever, natural reason). Those are the people who build civilizations.
The others don't build anything.
In the effect we have civilized societies with low T and we think that somebody supresses T to keep it civil, wen in fact there would be nothing if not for low T in the first place.
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Doesn't trt basically make your sperm count drop??
Male BC have been around forever
JohnnyHammerstickz 7y ago
Unless Trump wins. Then maybe one day we'll be able to get weekly trestolone injections to not get any bitches pregnant.
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Male contraceptive is a scary thing because it puts men back in control. Control is exactly what those at the top only want for themselves. In their position a population of alpha's instead of passive-aggressive subservient betas is also a very scary thing.
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_Trigglypuff_ 7y ago
Plus when men start working together they start to realise they are getting the shit end of the stick. Men working together = an army.
100% of the time a revolution takes place, its men.
TRP_DarkTriad 7y ago
Love your username bro!! Imagined that fat ugly bitch rolling her hands :p
thInc 7y ago
It seems like the low T AFC's are the guys who go postal though
Whisper 7y ago
So what?
They don't fear low T betas going postal. They welcome that. It's no threat to them, and it's a great excuse for more disarmament, more censorship, and more centralization of power.
What they fear isn't violence, it's initiative, creativity, enterprise, risk-taking, and self-reliance... the things that make people less dependent on authority figures. And what do these things come from? Testosterone.
NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 7y ago
Those in control LOVE violence. Because violence is easy to deal with when you have a monopoly on force.
They WANT you to be violent. The moment you get violent, they can turn on the entire state-monopolized violent machinery right back on you. They'll beat you down, pepper spray you, handcuff you, lock you up– and look like the good guys in the process. They'll show your mugshot, write media articles about you as a violent criminal, and everyone will be glad you're out of the picture– and love the State even more for keeping them safe.
The moment you get violent, they know exactly how to deal with you.
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Nydusurmainus 7y ago
Interestingly enough certain types of exercise increase testosterone output like chopping wood and I'm not kidding. Its cardio too, if you don't know what you are doing it can be a little dangerous but a couple of youtube vids, a cheap axe and start slowly and this is a low impact way of starting to build base testosterone levels. In all honesty there are a lot of guys on here that don't do work with their hands enough, building that kind of thing. I used to be a tradesman and before that I worked as a laborer in construction. I quit all this due to low pay and am now an engineer but once you start these things you realize how few men really use their hands for what they are made for. So I make knives now, I only do the stock removal and heat treat method atm but soon I will have a full blown forge running and will essentially be doing blacksmithing. This stuff increases testosterone and when you start to make things with your hands you begin to achieve things and depression becomes less of an issue for most.
A lot of people don't understand there is a difference between being depressed and having depresion. And this kind of stuff really helps with being depressed because it is both a work out and its achieving something. Other good stuff is hunting, spearfishing and hiking/camping or 4x4. Its worth mentioning I live in the city to (Brisbane, Australia) so I'm not a country boy. So modern society and its convenience also plays a large part, my father never had to go to the gym cos he worked on a farm, when I was younger I didn't have to go to the gym cos I worked on construction sites as a laboring bitch lifting shit, all fucking day. Its part of living a life of convenience which reduces testosterone and increases depression. It actually happens with women too, it's why they buy shit all the time, they never feel like they are achieving anything. So they go for the man with more money etc. One of the reasons my wife sews, bakes and knits, she makes something with her hands and has a sense of accomplishment because in my graduate engineering job right now she sure as hell ain't in this relationship for the money.
jrivera1041 7y ago
I was recently station in Alaska and bought a house with a wood stove. This past winter and spring I've started harvesting firewood, and I have to say, it takes an incredible amount of energy to get trees from the woods into tiny pieces in your stove. I look at myself in the mirror after i get out of the shower and I feel like a damn mountain of a man. My thighs are getting so thick from muscle I'm having trouble finding uniforms that fit my legs with my relatively small waist size in comparison.
Clint_Redwood 7y ago
What your describing is falls in line with Producer Vs. Consumer mentality and it absolutely is the best thing any man can do for himself. I'd recommend it above learning game, fucking bitches or even going to college.
Being able to create content is way more valuable to your well being and once you are good enough you can even sell the content and/or the knowledge to produce the content.
Also, you doing coal fire, gas or induction forging? I've always wanted an induction and power hammer, mostly cause I'm lazy.
Nydusurmainus 7y ago
At this current time I'm 10,000% noob and doing stock removal and using a homemade gas forge. I'm going to upgrade to actual forging metal with an anvil once we move out of these fucking apartments and get a house so I don't have to work in a tiny garage anymore.
Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 7y ago
If you can't or don't want to actually split wood, get a sledge hammer and hit an old tire over and over. Basically the same workout.
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slay_it_forward 7y ago
I'm glad there's someone here with common sense. Not attributing everything to outlandish conspiracies.
Nydusurmainus 7y ago
We can't keep blaming everything else.
gg_s 7y ago
There's blaming everything else and then there's identifying pitfalls.
StoicCrane 7y ago
Not to mention, reducing testosterone of the collective male population is an efficient form of population control.
ioncehadsexinapool 7y ago
And really fucking clever and efficient
Redpillc0re 7y ago
I doubt that, unless you literally prevent them from access to women. Religious communities have typically very high-beta content yet they breed like rabbits.
Dronitto 7y ago
you think this is on purpose? things like estrogens in water or using bpa? LOL, how paranoid one can be?
Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 7y ago
Look at the water situation in Flint, Michigan. It wasn't deliberate malice. It was a bunch of people all passing the buck around because they didn't feel like dealing with the problem.
StoicCrane 7y ago
That's a relief. It's good to know that artificial hormones in milk to make women's tits bigger while demasculating men through nutrition is normal. That and being watched 24/7 through my phone GPS and camera. I was just bugging out for a second. Forgot to take my meds. My red pills keep of the edge.
Dronitto 7y ago
Yeah they pump those hormones because they want to get your testosterone. LOL Who the hell watch your phone you paranoid fuck? Dont want a gps - dont buy a phone with it. You are saying this while using internet, reddit and probably an android phone. How stupid are you?
StoicCrane 7y ago
At this point your beyond moronic. You have my complete permission to shove off
slay_it_forward 7y ago
What exactly is your conspiracy theory? Who is they? The government? Which one? Federal, State, Municipal? Are you implying "they" (government?) are intentionally reducing the testosterone of the male population by implementing policies that make it hard to obtain TRT or by putting things in the water supply / food that decrease T / increase E in order to have a more docile and controllable male population? Spell it out man, I'm confused.
These consipracy theories are always so fucking ridiculous. Do we live in an environment (sedentary lifestyles, xenoestrogens, chemicals in food, etc) that is a hinderance to testosterone production? Yes. Was this environment created by the "ruling elites" as some grand scheme to control the population? No. That's your paranoid schizophrenia speaking. The "ruling elites" live in the same environment we do and are exposed to the same things we are (see Jeb Bush). "The ruling elite" don't live in some Illuminati bubble where they can control the population whilst being insulated from the environment themselves.
What really happened was human progress. Cars were invented. Computers were invented. Plastics were invented. Agriculture practices were invented that allowed for massive yields. Oil and gas was extracted from the ground and allow you to fly around the world and to outer space. Cells phone were created but have a damaging radio frequency. All this progress has come at a cost, male testosterone being a prime example of such.
I get so sick of these paranoid, "the world is after you" conspiracy theories constantly being written about in the manosphere that have zero evidence to back them up.
Or am I just part the Bilderberg group trying to suppress information? Who knows.
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Caucasian-African 7y ago
You are correct about "conspiracy theories". I'm completely open to such ideas, but without spelling out who they are, and what the conspiracy is, it's just a theory. It's just people making up a story to fit what they already believe.
That being said, I do believe that governments at all levels in the US effectively have their own unwritten, unspoken, even inadvertent "agendas" in that governments, like any individual or entity made up of individuals, act in their own self-interests.
Here is an excellent example of what I would consider such a conspiracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGljFxtKcJ8
If you read the story below the video, the handcuffed man was charged with additional crimes for being attacked by the officer while handcuffed, the officer was not charged and will not lose a dime of pay, and we, the taxpayers, will foot the bill for the $20M lawsuit, if successful.
There is no conspiracy, but the result is an unjust suppression of individual liberty. This happens thousands of times a year throughout the country when cameras are NOT recording.
Project_Thor 7y ago
However it's important to understand there are people rich enough to bet on currencies and then influence them.
antariusz 7y ago
I mean... That is an actual group.
And they do meet, to specifically talk about how they can retain control of the world. Specifically, at recent meetings they worried they had too many first world dissidents from stifling the first world economy for too long, so they talked about restoring some semblance of economic growth to the first world so that there would not be riots and no more 99% protests. Just because they control most of the world economy doesn't mean "everything" they do is "evil".
But for a long period of time they discussed ways to keep population growth to a minimum. But when it gets too low, ala Japan, they talk about and discuss ways of increasing the birth rate.
So, it's kinda a bad example when you use a true example. Sometimes they do "good things" and sometimes they do "bad things" but above all they want stability.
slay_it_forward 7y ago
You think the people attending Bilderberg meetings can snap their fingers and restore economic growth to Western nations? This is the whacked out shit I'm talking about. Do you have any proof to back up your claims? Of course not, or it would be plastered all over the news. But they control all media too, right? So they just suppress the story? We live in a time where it's very difficult to hide things. I don't buy it.
A few people don't control the world economy.
llcjer 7y ago
The Creature from Jekyll Island
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slay_it_forward 7y ago
Spell it out, man. Stop beating around the bush. You won't say what your actual theory is because you know you'll sound like a lunatic.
Are you saying George Bush blew up the WTC and killed thousands of his own people? Do you have evidence whatsoever to prove that is true?
aBoredBrowser 7y ago
Well the report didn't even mention the destruction of WT7, which was CIA headquarters, investigating Enron & Co.
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I have no doubt the Saudis were involved in 911 but just because the US and the Saudis were not enemies doesn't mean the US governement was directly involved.
US is friendly to Saudis for their oil. Saudis house terrorists because ideaologically they are the same. The Saudis are friendly to the US because they want their money.
So, it's not Saudi is friendly with US therefore US conspired with Saudis to blow up WTC. What would be the incentive for the US to kill thousands of their own people?
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slay_it_forward 7y ago
You're paranoia is not healthy. The Arab Spring was an uprising by....wait for it.....Arabs. They also have Facebook and saw how they were getting the shaft, so they rose up against their oppressive governements. But to you, nothing is ever as it seems. There are always evil doers in the background (Jews) orchestrating sinister plans.
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Yeah I'm not sure how I would ask my doc to check my T-levels for some reasons. Just lie that I am not getting boners anymore?
lemming1607 7y ago
if you don't have Low-T, don't get injections. High testosterone can really bring you some other medical issues you don't want to deal with.
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Yeah I am just hypothesizing. I'm fine with my own level of aggression.
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
High test doesn't make you more aggressive. It does make you feel more confident therefore more likely to confront issues you may have left alone with low T. Tren is an exception.
Don't buy into the misinformation and tropes surrounding gear.
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I'm naturally pushing the upper limits and occasionally surpassing it on my blood T-levels. I went bald in my late teens. Already had prostatitis from a BJ and my high-T pre-disposes me to extra prostate issues as I age. I am also pre-disposed to much higher heart risks. I have always been overly aggressive and had several broken noses. If legally allowed I would have had a very large string of ears hanging in my room since my early 20's due to said aggression and my propensity for not losing a fight. High-T sounds good for lifting but it has it's own set of problems most people are not wary of.
Caucasian-African 7y ago
Thank you for this. We are all rational men (humans), and the grass isn't always greener. It's interesting that you're aggressive with a temper AND rational. Low T guys may be timid but they are rational too.
That being said, I'm glad I'm in the "normal" testosterone range.
slay_it_forward 7y ago
Yes mid-range T is best for overall health...but no one here is concerned with health. Just get huge bro! Need them gainz! Fuck bitches! Who cares if you suffer massively because of it.
lemming1607 7y ago
yeah one of the risks of regular doses of Testosterone is going over it. I have regular blood work taken to make sure my body is processing it and not going overboard. I've been at 800 now for 3 months and the doctors are pretty happy with my case.
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perdill 7y ago
Sounds psychological or a problem with estrogen balance. Many guys blasting and cruising running 1 gram a week on blast and 200mg a week cruising are easily double , triple your blood levels of test and calm as cucumbers.
I'm chill as fuck at 200mg/wk right now and ran 600mg a week for 16 weeks no issues. More chill on high test then when i was natty, due to having good hormonal balance.
Hormones may be out of whack. High T alone shouldn't be an issue for aggressiveness (especially at only 1200ngdl) assuming all else is good. But everyone is different.
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There is a psychological component. Being high-T predisposes you to higher aggression though, you can witness this just by observing breeding bulls and steers and their behavioral differences. Sure occasionally you get a crazy steer but most of the time the bull is way more aggressive.
perdill 7y ago
Fair enough there is a psychological component. Your frame should be strong enough to overcome high natty testosterone levels of aggression though.
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laughing_irelia 7y ago
Can you hit me with a study?
dankvibez 7y ago
Hey man, do you know of any soaps that are good then? I just ran out and was wondering what I should use.
Koss424 7y ago
That may be true, but I'm curious what street you live on.
Mindcrime2015 7y ago
I quit using soap, shampoo and conditioners about a year ago. I just use baking soda. It is an excellent grease cutter plus acts as an exfollient. It has a bonus of not clogging up the waterways with those little fucking plastic beads they put in everything.
As someone with recently diagnosed low test. I have also cut out use of plastic containers almost entirely for any food prep or storage.
My test level was 198, but my sex binding hormone was 11, the low end of normal. My endocrinologist basically told me that I can fix my problems by being less of a fat ass. I am scheduled to go through a dietician class series to learn to eat better ( apparently eating like I am still a farmkid is not sensible for a desk job).
Given that I don't have a lot of faith in the current state of nutritionist's information, is there somewhere that anyone could suggest looking for good nutritional info at? There is a shitpile of contradictory info in the places that I have look thus far. Also, I have purchased a Hoist MI6 lift machine and I am just starting out with it, was wondering people's opinion of of it.
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sigma272 7y ago
Also, there are detectable levels of birth control meds in our water systems because women piss them out and flush pills.
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
I buy purified water by the gallon. It's less than $.88 gallon at Wal Mart now, maybe even less.
I originally did so just to try out avoiding drinking so much flouride (or whatever else might be in the water) and this avoid it all together.
Really enjoy doing it. Tastes great, and no chemicals to worry about.
Even filtered water still contains chemical additives unless you have a particulary great/expensive filter.
gostwiththemost 7y ago
Those faucet mount and pitcher filters you can buy remove almost all the pharmaceuticals from the water. Whether are not there are enough female hormones in the water to have an effect on male physiology is a fascinating subject.
aguy01 7y ago
You have to research and get a more expensive one for this. Most a cheap ones like brita only remove heavy metals, besides fluoride for whatever reason.
Project_Thor 7y ago
Toads are dying because this, they become one gender and can't reproduce.
sigma272 7y ago
I think the issue is chronic exposure over 10+ years. Even small amounts will have an effect at that timescale.
dark_kniggit 7y ago
Get plastics, sugars, artificial fragrances, and pesticides out of your life wherever possible. They're all franken-products that have little role in a healthy body system.
Project_Thor 7y ago
Except Wild Flower Unpasteurized Honey. We've been eating honey for ages.
whatsazipper 7y ago
I find the plastics and sugars easiest to eliminate; use glass containers for the former, and a food that isn't sugar-containing or otherwise carbohydrate rich for the latter.
On the other hand, artificial fragrances are tricky because they're in most health and beauty products, and the alternatives I've used have been severely lacking. Any recommendations?
JohnnyHammerstickz 7y ago
-Cut all sugars
Have fun never gaining a pound of muscle for the rest of your life. Natural sugars like glucose, fructose, dextrose, lactose, etc. Are not going to destroy your physique and make you look and feel like shit if you know how to eat right.
The artificial shit is the stuff you don't want
dark_kniggit 7y ago
We're talking the same thing.
Dronitto 7y ago
There is nothing wrong with 'artificial' stuff, people are so easily scared. Just be aware of what you eat and so on.
beginner_ 7y ago
Wrong it's fructose you want to avoid. It is essentially a poison. metabolized pretty much the same way as alcohol meaning you can get fatty liver from it and diabetes and so forth. Main difference to alcohol is you don't get "high". The bad part in table sugar (and HFCS) is fructose.
james-watson 7y ago
The level of brosience on TRP is way over 9000 at this point.
My homie, you do understand that homo sapiens are mammals which evolved on planet Earth, where a major source of easily obtained calories comes from fruits, right?
So this means we've had hundreds of millions of years of evolution designing our bodies for processing fruits. That's why we like how they look, how they smell, how they taste, and generally eat as much of them as we can.
Poison, on the other hand, is stuff that kills you. You know, like bleach or hydrogen peroxide. Stuff that breaks down your cells and destroys you from the inside.
By saying "eating fruits is literally poison", you're saying there's no difference in having a cup of strawberries vs a cup of bleach.
To each his own though. Science on bro!
JohnnyHammerstickz 7y ago
For real. Some of the dumbest fucking shit I've ever read in my entire life.
JohnnyHammerstickz 7y ago
Okay so have fun not eating any fruits or vegetables ever again to avoid "poisoning" yourself.
beginner_ 7y ago
it's a matter of dose and matrix. If you eat a lot of fiber like fruit bad effects are reduced as uptake is slower and more of the sugar is actually digested by gut bacteria and not you. If you drink orange juice, bad. 0 Fiber.
But learn for yourself.
Project_Thor 7y ago
Poor Diet (Zinc Deficiencies) Lack of Sunshine, and no High quality fats in our diet all take part as well.
Nikelu 7y ago
God bless extra virgin greek olive oil
slay_it_forward 7y ago
Don't forget lack of movement. Low intensity exercise (walking) is every bit as important as high intensity (gym, sports) exercise. Most people think it's all good if they go to the gym for an hour three times per week while sitting for the remainder of the time. Sitting is the new smoking. People should be walking for hours every day.
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there are even studies that say working out an hour every day doesn't even make up for the degenerating effects of sitting 8 to 10 hours a day edit: formatting
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It's a german study made by Daniela Schmid and Michael Leitzmann from the University of Regensburg, but I cant find the original one
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whatsazipper 7y ago
How do we know there's a legitimate deficiency of zinc? When or why would this occur?
Project_Thor 7y ago
Lack of quality foods in the diet. Oysters, Mushrooms, Nuts, Red Meat, Organ Meats.
Blaxmith 7y ago
You just have to make sure its either in the food yo eat or you take zinc in your multivite
whatsazipper 7y ago
What food is it typically contained in?
I'm skeptical of people trying to sell me supplements. You can find a sales pitch for anything.
thyeruwe 7y ago
Guys, none of this matters unless you get a quantitative look at what your TEST levels are.
Use this site, they come to your lazy ass and have labs like LabCorp etc.
http://www.chekd.com/#!lab-tests/ipjfx/!/MALE-HEALTH/p/63682407/category=0
You'll likely be shocked how low your levels are...a guy I know had the levels of a 16 yr old girl
aguy01 7y ago
In addition to poor dietary choices, consider the fact that all farmed vegetables are lower on nutrients than their wild counterparts due to the depleted soil quality from constant regrowing. This translates into less minerals in meat as well due to the animals own mineral deficient diet. Some studies have shown commercial spinach only has 30% of the nutrients of wild spinach, for example.
ANewJourney 7y ago
https://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/zinc.php
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=115
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Go to wal-mart, they make a calcium/magnesium/zinc pill that comes in giant bottles cheap. These pills will give you tons of zinc and as a result make you sling out more nut when you get off. If you want even more result in this direction get the Urino-Zinc Pro prostate supplement (also at wal-mart cheap). I take that combo 4 days before I expect to fuck and it leaves an impression when you fill a woman's mouth so full on the first date/f-close that she can't handle it.
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So elegantly put, very poetic.
Done that many times.
Focusi 7y ago
Humans originally ate barly no carbs whatsoever nor did we actually eat vegetables, we hunted and then ate that. This sometimes makes people skeptical as to why we need certain minerals and vitamins found in vegetables etc as they think our forefathers got none of this in their diet. What people miss it that our forefathers ate the WHOLE animal, that includes all the organs which are rich in both minerals and vitamins
Corndog_Enthusiast 7y ago
What are you on about mate; even the old testament talks about eating "burnt grain". You need carbs for max energy, preferably taken in the form of brown rice.
Project_Thor 7y ago
When a wolf pack hunts, the Alpha male gets first choice of meat, He will nearly always take the Heart, Liver, and Kidneys.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
most people in developed countries are not deficient in zinc by any means
Project_Thor 7y ago
Totally incorrect, most are. Men are most deficient in Zinc and Magnesium. Women it's Iron/Magnesium.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
maybe in africa, any competent doctor will tell you that you're not zinc deficient
Focusi 7y ago
Because deficient and optimal amounts do not correspond
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
optimal is subjective. ymmv
Project_Thor 7y ago
Doctor's treat symptoms, They barely know fuck-all about causes. Also Copper in pipes gets into drinking water, lowers zinc.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
you drink water from the faucet? why?
lemming1607 7y ago
that would be one of the biggest conspiracies if it were true. Any places one can find research being done on this?
kremer5 7y ago
why even fuckin risk it? sometimes, you err on the side of caution.
redestofthereds 7y ago
I came across an article on MensHealth magazine that you should avoid female body wash because of that reason. Don't remember much else though.
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a lot of plastics make estrogens when they break down. This is known, and we have only used plastics for food packaging in the last 100 years or so.
Also female birth control hormones are being peed out by millions of woman into the water supply. There is no waste water plant that removes hormones and other medical chemicals we pee and flush down the toilet.
I read somewhere about hormones being notoriously difficult to break down in the environment.
Focusi 7y ago
It's generally adviced not to heat your food in a plastic container in a microwave for similar reasons
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dankvibez 7y ago
Yeah, I knew plastics were bad for a long time. Just didn't know it had this effect. Now I'll be more cautious.
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You can just google it. BPA is something I'm trying to avoid for the life of me. Stainless steel is a good medium for cooking, drinks, food. Dinner trays, drinking flasks and tumblers, stainless cookware, all of the stuff is dishwasher safe and way healthier for you. Watch out for new BPA-free plastics, they still have some estrogenic chemicals in them.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
yup, instead of bpa it's like bps or something in that nature. I avoid plastics altogether. glass and steel only.
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NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 7y ago
I'm not saying this is necessarily true in this case (I don't know enough of the details), but the fact that this is so often true also means that one can get away with being malicious by claiming incompetence.
Cigarettes are bad for people? Good heavens, who knew? Sugar is bad? I'm sorry, officer, we had no idea. ;-)
Project_Thor 7y ago
Drinking out of mason jars is totally badass.
Bamarific 7y ago
Most tin cans are lined with a BPA containing plastic. Acidic foods, like tomatoes, leech more of the BPA from the lining that less acidic foods.
whatsazipper 7y ago
A lot of tomato products come in cans. There seems to be no way of escaping that, unless you know of stores or brands that regularly have tomato products in glass jars. I usually see (non-glass) canned items.
Dronitto 7y ago
This is probably a non sig. amount... just dont heat them up. Heathing anything that comes in plastic do more damage to you
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aguy01 7y ago
Including soda cans. Don't drink lacroix
wiseprogressivethink 7y ago
Alex Jones talks about this all the time, FWIW. "Estrogen mimickers."
[deleted] 7y ago
You buy them water filter that keep out the lizard people yet?
VancouverSucks 7y ago
The big Berkey. It's only 4grand.
TunkaTun 7y ago
One of the main chemicals is BPA, it was originally designed as birth control for women, but didn't work that well, then they found out it works well for hardening plastic.
Here is an article about lowered T levels in men who work around it.
http://www.livescience.com/29401-bpa-testosterone-levels.html
Here is another article with a list of common everyday items which contain BPA or other chemicals which mimic it. In regards to the thermal paper receipts, you can test to see if it is thermal by scratching your nail on it. If it's thermal it will leave a black line from the friction, it also feels weird.
https://www.anabolicmen.com/how-to-avoid-testosterone-lowering-bisphenol-a/
If you are now looking for a good water bottle that isn't plastic I recommend hydro flask! They are amazing.
https://www.hydroflask.com
DotishGuy 7y ago
Personally, I drink water from a vodka bottle.
It's an Absolut bottle so it has some heft and girth. Makes you feel like a man when you drink from it.
It also makes you look like an absolut madman
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Especially at the gym? Haha
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
That's actually a great idea. In the old days soda and milk bottles were glass, and were durable and I don't remember any complaints from back then.
I'm old enough to remember when your soda came in a glass bottle and you pulled it out sideways by hand from the vending machine.
Sprite came in a cool looking green bottle, lol.
DotishGuy 7y ago
The absolut bottle is actually very robust. Fuckin thing fell on concrete numerous times and it didn't even chip/crack.
Cleaning it is a bitch though...
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
How much can it hold? (what's the volume?) Thanks.
DotishGuy 7y ago
There's many http://img.xooimage.com/files74/8/3/7/jesper-lineup-trimmed-31f58b8.jpg
I use the 1L
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lemming1607 7y ago
thanks for the research!
antariusz 7y ago
Thankfully my work stopped using our thermal printers in the wuest to "go greener"
Because I was forced to handle hundred of thermal paper printouts every single day. I knew it wasn't good for me, but I couldn't complain about it.
Dronitto 7y ago
BPA is not used that much anymore
CuckedByTRUMP 7y ago
http://www.amazon.com/Contigo-Purity-Glass-Bottle-20-Ounce/dp/B00LWVIO86?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
my bottle of choice.
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whatsazipper 7y ago
For a second I conflated your username with a portion of the link. I thought Trump water bottles were going to be on sale at Amazon. I was sorely disappointed.
CuckedByTRUMP 7y ago
Trump is great. I would by his water bottles. Trump has the best water bottles. Don't we love our water bottles?
Gawernator 7y ago
At least most water bottles are BPA free nowadays. Like camelbak and shaker bottle
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
Yeah I've noticed you'd have to buy a shoddy cheapo brand to find a plastic with BPA and that other harmful shit in your plastic ware. I still use glass whenever I can just in case.
Project_Thor 7y ago
I very much doubt its just BPA that's bad, plastic in general should not be consumed.
TunkaTun 7y ago
True, but I believe it says in the article they use a similar chemical which basically does the same thing.
RavelsBolero 7y ago
But since water bottles don't get heated, is it fine to buy bottles of water from the shop and then just drink that?
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
no, because those water bottles have been in hot warehouses for god knows how long, hot delivery trucks, etc. best way is to fill your own water from a water store or get reverse osmosis filter in your house
RavelsBolero 7y ago
RO filters water too much, it's not good for making tea with and certainly doesn't taste good either. Would it be good to get a metal water bottle?
Gawernator 7y ago
So are we screwed? What about all the soaps and shit we buy
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
if you have whole foods or sprouts near you or similar store, they have natural milled soaps, best shit ever and one bar lasts me months
ChadThundercockII 7y ago
There is a substance that is used in my country since forever. It's called Black Soap.
Gawernator 7y ago
Raw African Black Soap from Ghana 1 Lb https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003PFBCTU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_vc5sxbJZHPJN1
This stuff??
ChadThundercockII 7y ago
I can see what's in it but the one my family and I use looks like this. It is supposed to be like gel, not hard in a soap bar form. You can't know what they added in it to harden. However, the reviews seem to be positive.
I would add that if you can get your hand on some fine fishing net, just a few feet of it, you can use it with the soap. It feels better and is safer than what is usually used in showers.
Gawernator 7y ago
Cool! I ended up buying this: KIRKS NATURAL Original Coco Castile Soap, 3 Count (Pack of 6) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BH7ZFN6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_DJ6sxb5VGJZNS less than $1 per bar in the 18 pack. That's the cheapest I've ever seen all natural soap. I had tried some my friend made in the past I loved but it was like $4-5 a bar and just too expensive.
sezamus 7y ago
I have too much testo and it sucks as well. I gain muscles quickly, but fat also that is placed like on a girl (gino, etc.). Too much testosterone is turned into estrogen so I don't have dense facial hair and need to watch my weight. And still I have an acne like a teenager.
I am also horny like crazy. It makes me sick because I wanna focus on more important things. Every fucking billboard with naked girl makes me lose my mind. Like a freaking animal.
Good thing is I can workout like crazy too. Running, lifting, running, lifting. Losing fat is a disaster because my body tends to hibernate, so it is important if you are a guy like me to spend some cash on fat burners.
If there's an expert of too high testosterone, I'd like to hear some advices :).
lemming1607 7y ago
yeah the first thing I noticed is I gained weight. My appetite jumped immediately. I have to watch my intake alot
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sezamus 7y ago
thanks buddy! :) I gotta have a look!
HitlerDidN0thingWron 7y ago
How long ago have you started injections? Have you noticed a big increase in muscle mass?
lemming1607 7y ago
yes, but an increase in fat as well. My estrogen is high at the moment and I'm taking a pill to decrease it. I started a year ago, drawing blood every 6 weeks to check my levels.
I've gained 30 pounds since injections, and I'm trying to cut the fat out, but it's not easy. My appetite is huge
HitlerDidN0thingWron 7y ago
How long have you taken the estrogen inhibitor? I thought the Doctor would've prescribed that to begin with as well
lemming1607 7y ago
Everyone's body ingests Testosterone differently. Some turn it to fat, estrogen, whatever. That's why the first few months of your injections you HAVE to get regular blood draws done to find out what your body is doing.
For me my appetite shot up and I started getting high estrogen, along with all the benefits of going from Low-T to Normal-T.
It's an easy fix for higher than normal estrogen. The doc was actually super happy that I didn't have other problems.
horsemeat89 7y ago
Are you on Test/HCG? Did you try Clomid first?
I've been on Clomid for about 2 mo's now and it's been all positive. Had to manage e2 a bit...but I am kind of curious about seeing how TRT feels.
lemming1607 7y ago
The urologist I see gave me three options. Injections, skin gel, and pellets. I went with the injections.
It's a 200 mg/ml injection every week of Testosterone Cypionate Injection.
I've been at 800 ng/ml now for 3 months and we're doing 6 month draws now to monitor. I had high estrogen at one point, which they gave me a pill for...I also had thick blood which happens when you have a rapid change in hormone levels, and they asked me to donate blood.
Other than that I'm super happy with the results and it's changed my life. I doubt I'll try something else, but I haven't researched other people's cases.
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In what way(s)? You feel happier now, or is it more than that?
lemming1607 7y ago
I'm more energetic, I don't lay in bed for an hour after waking up. I get out of the house and don't procrastinate. I don't make excuses for the gym and I have endurance for my workouts I never had before. I can hold an election for more than 5 minutes
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How's it changed your life?
lemming1607 7y ago
I'm energetic, I don't lay in my bed not wanting to get out into the world. I don't procrastinate anymore. I'm on top of things at work. I have endurance for my gym and look forward to it. I have energetic conversations.
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That sounds great man. I'm actually getting third test in a month and a half to see if I should go on TRT (I'm 25 and my previous tests were 360 and 310 ng/dl, respectively).
Are you on HCG as well?
Eze-Wong 7y ago
You may want to try Zinc megadosing. If you look it up, there are quite a lot of men who have had good things to say about it. There are some weirdo side effects (I've had as well), such as extremely vivid dreams. But on the whole it makes you feel more masculine and wanting to punch stuff.
I've been looking up the contents of semen and supplementing those things in an effort to make up for the lost nutrients I've wastefully lost. I believe this lead to my feminize qualities recently. It was so bad I had to get my T and Estrogen levels checked.
The zinc helped immensely and I still megadose now. It helps so much and I don't think I would have been in the "zone" as much without it. It's also helped with my racing thoughs and persistent worrying.
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
I read somewhere it's toxic if taken at more than 50mg every day?
Eze-Wong 7y ago
Yes it's dangerous in the sense that it can cause a copper or iron imbalance as they compete for absorption both when ingested and in the body. However, most people seem to be copper excessive, especially if it's in your piping or drinking water. And zinc can actually displace a copper toxicity.
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Manmore 7y ago
Funny, I have the exact same symptoms as you described, and I've thought about getting it tested...
lemming1607 7y ago
can't hurt. Limits the possibilities
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
privateMDlabs. costs 70ish bucks for the female hormone panel. worth it for the knowledge
blackhawks93 7y ago
Why would you get the female test and not the male?
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
female test gives you the Testosterone number plus LH plus Estrogen to see where your baseline is before hopping on any substance. It also gives you other useful values but you can check the product page on privatemdlabs to find out what it gives you
Bonersaucey 7y ago
Just saying, but your range of normal testosterone levels is completely fucking off by a hilarious margin. Its not 600 to 1200. More like 400 to 900 if you arent in puberty anymore. No sane doctor is going to say that you have low test if you are at 500 or something around that. Additionally, 1200 is peak test for high T individuals and for most people would be near supraphysiological levels. Go off on this all you want but at least have accurate numbers to back it up.
Oh and Tren>Test if you want to actually live like a man.
lemming1607 7y ago
another important factor is geographical location. Some races will test differently than others. I've heard it said 250-900 in most American locations, but my doctor said 600-1200
probpoopin 7y ago
I had my levels done and the doctor seemed kind of puzzled. I've researched as well and haven't come up with much. They generally test for two levels, if forget the names, but my free level, I think that is what it is called, is something like 800-900. However, my other level as on the low end, this is the one I forget the name of, binder testosterone or something? I don't know, it was very low though. Anyone know what I can do to fix this?
Glassland 7y ago
I think you mean SHBG. Sex Hormone Binding Globulin
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Injections? Did you use steroids or just testosterone injections?
I would like to do a test cycle myself, but Imy unsure if I want to trust Internet information on something I'm injecting into me.
homelessWOOKIE9 7y ago
check out the Reddit community for steroids. just search it. lots of good information
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I had to cut the comment short due to irl. What I meant to say is I don't feel comfortable ordering off of outlaw muscle or other roid forums without knowing someone irl who has tried it successfully.
I'd very much like to just do a plain test cycle and have even gone as far as to plan what quantities of what I'd need to purchase for both the cycle and pct.
I just haven't found a source I'm willing to take the plunge on.
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
If you are thinking about taking the plunge, pm me what you want to know and I'll answer best I can.
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Where do you acquire your "magic chems"? The darkweb?
Strike48 7y ago
Walgreens for prescription, other places for non prescription. I don't personally buy from the dark web, but yeah, they are available there with a lot of sellers having great reviews.
_teleno 7y ago
Lol you can do it in reddit itself
lemming1607 7y ago
testosterone is injected into your butt by a nurse (like I have it) or self injected into your thigh. You can also have things like androgel and I believe theres a pill, but the best results are usually when you injected with a needle into a fatty part of your body.
Talk to a eurologist or endocrinologists. The injections are for life and every week. Your body doesn't just start producing more of it when you stop.
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hunteeer 7y ago
Not quite right. Androgel has a very low rate of assimilation and oral test has huge impact on your liver. Also it's not injected into the fatty tissue, but into the muscle.
Also IF your T went low some time after puberty, you can get injections over a period of time till your body is in a condition, being able to produce your normal levels (from before being low), e.g. reduced body fat, increased muscle mass and other health issues.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 7y ago
androgel is like the worst you can get. bioidentical hormones is what you'd want to use if you were to do trt
Glassland 7y ago
Anabolicmen.com is my go-to site for anything related to testosterone.
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I hope this doesn't sound ignorant, but how do women fend off depression when they are inherently low-test?
lemming1607 7y ago
Womeno depression is linked to estrogen
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Guys, I'm all for testosterone increasing but have any of you looked into the side effects? Having testosterone is good...having too much starts causing heart disease, gynocomastia (man boobs), belligerence, and an inability to think rationally. Too much of a good thing is bad, seek to find a balance and have enough testosterone to meet your goals.
_teleno 7y ago
Hearth diseases only happens with crazy use, mostly with other compounds. Can be prevented with cardio, good diet and blood tests. Highly related to predisposed to diseases.
Ginecomastia happens due to high estrogen. With normal levels of test or bf thid shouldn't be a problem. Hell, there are people with 3-4 times the normal testosterone without estrogen sides. Your body transform T to estrogen at a rate, defined by genetics and BF%. So, lower bf, or take an AI.
Belligerence can also happens due to estrogen, or other compounds, or because you already had predisposed personality to belligerence. Rare if you take care.
High test is known for a clearer mind than low test.
Fuck estrogen, it's involved in everything.
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After I got over the age of 35 I tried something different for my hormone levels.. Called the squat everyday program..
Every time I run the program I'm impressed with the results.. Energy and sex drive go through the roof just ding a couple sets right before bed
gimunu 7y ago
What's the deal? Is it because it is pumping blood in your thighs?
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Stresses the whole body and causes a response I guess.. That's what I read.
The first time I ran the program I did two sets of squats before every workout and my other lifts kept going up
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What are some of the draw backs you've experienced? Your nuts start shrinking? Have you started losing your hair? Any bacne or gyno??
lemming1607 7y ago
I have a lot higher blood pressure. My blood is thick and I need to donate blood once a week. Low sperms count. High estrogen (depends on how your body metabolizes)
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I really need to get my T levels checked and start trying to fix my varicocele. I'm so confident that I have low T that I would bet it on my life.
lemming1607 7y ago
yea I was like that too when I started researching it. Took 3 tests before docs were starting to agree with me
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
I looked at Test replacement therapy for a long time and was denied numerous times. I live in Australia and the stigma on gear is huge. I subscribe to numerous steroid-based forums and your case is basically unheard of. Even if you manage to find a doctor that agrees to put you on TRP, their lack of knowledge and the negative stigma often results in drastic underdosing. Aka Test C @ 100mg a MONTH. In some countries 250-300ng/dl is considered a normal amount of test in a young 20 something healthy male.
I've also heard some horror stories in regards to PCT medication advice.
The only other option is doing it the illegal way. This scares a lot of people off, but you have to deal with the cards you're dealt. One way is to accept it, or to do something about it and take your life back, no matter the cost/risk.
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ViceTerm 7y ago
I'm actually having mine tested for this Wednesday. How long does it take to get the results?
lemming1607 7y ago
2 days usually, depending on the lab your using. Some tests take longer, like the thickness of your blood and sex hormone
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Glassland 7y ago
Cold showers actually do increase testosterone. Cool to cold balls are scientifically proven to be more effective. And 95% of your testosterone is build in your balls. Keep your boys cool. Heat, on the opposite end, is bad for them. Hot baths and hot showers should be avoided or minimized.
Redpillc0re 7y ago
Thank u for posting that good sir.
Do you happen to know what are some (tangible or visible) signs of good T levels?
What does cardio do?
Also, i know anabolicmen.com , but is it trustworthy? He does push a lot of products there.
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Does meditation count as sleep? What about 7 hours of sleep and 1 hour of meditation?
RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
You give great advice for normal people. But for the sake of all naturally induced hard-ons, let's allow for the possibility that someone REALLY does have a genetic issue, shall we?
I know what you're trying to say, I really do, and think it's what would cure 95%, if not more, of all "low-T" problems for men. Like "eating less" would resolve 95%+ of all obesity problems. But there REALLY are people with hormonal problems who are obese because of it.
I'm all for tough love and kicking crying/whining beta-bitches in the ass, but let's give OP the benefit of the doubt.
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RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
No worries, I've been there myself with the fatties. Eventually, I gave up. They wanna eat themselves to death? Here's a slice of cake, dear.
Great resources, though. Will definitely check them out, and get myself a better education on natural T-boosting. Thanks for sharing!
lemming1607 7y ago
I have low-T because I have hypogonadism. My lifestyle may have hurt my testosterone, but chronic Low-T is because of genetics
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StoicCrane 7y ago
I've been working night shift the past year and a half but have every other aspect of raising T down pact. Could sleep deprivation or at least sleeping outside of my natural rhythm have massive implications?
adam_varg 7y ago
For me sleeping 5-6hours a day instead of 8-9 means T goes from 800+ to 400+ in week or two. When i get to sleep enough after week or two its back again.
Strike48 7y ago
Yes, sleep deprivation absolutely can play a role in low testosterone. Irregular scheduled sleep(assuming you're getting a full 7-9 hours) I'm not entirely sure.
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Even if you do every thing super healtly to the max ,your test will never raise enough if you are severely hormonally deficient. It can help just a bit.
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adam_varg 7y ago
It does matter, a lot .
Look up cicardian rhytmes, melatonin and hgh production.
sorceryofthetesticle 7y ago
I do all these things (except for a strict keto diet) and my test is 300. Been depressed ever since puberty, even though my life is 'great' and I work hard. Sometimes you just have shitty genes.
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sorceryofthetesticle 7y ago
I've got insulin insensitivity. I was on a normal weightlifting diet, appropriate macros, lots of veggies amd fiber, and became prediabetic/pre-metabolic syndrome. Since starting keto, blood sugar, inflammation and lipids are back in healthy ranges now so maybe I'll slowly ramp up carb intake to see what happens.
Micros are all normal, got a blood test last month. I live a pretty austere lifestyle, there's not much to add.
One of my nuts is underdeveloped so I've got that going for me too (the doc says it shouldn't matter but he also says t at 300 is normal too, so I don't know what the deal is).
Have you got any resources about diet and trstosterone proudction?
O_Son 7y ago
I've done a lot of research on testosterone production over the last few years, and 300 is within the normal reference range that labs will quote (in the US at least, not sure about anywhere else). But most Drs and people that study hormones in great detail agree that 500 is a more appropriate normal level (at least up until 50 or so I think it is), general practitioners/family Drs are often times not up to date with data like this so they trust that the reference ranges are correct.
I encourage you to read a lot about nutrition, avoiding all plastics, etc. I agree with everything Professor_ Red said in the comment above, and it's supported by the most recent research. Especially check out the links to TestShock and the AnabolicMen blog that he provided. I read that blog all of the time and agree with 99% of it, I haven't bought TestShock so I can't say if it's worth it for someone that's read much of that blog.
If you're not lifting then lift bro!
O_Son 7y ago
If you really do all of those things though, get tested at a clinic that specializes in hormones. Sometimes they'll be called anti-aging clinics or something of that nature, and make sure that you use bioidentical hormones if you use them.
Research everything before you make a choice though, don't trust that the clinic will be right, but they'll know a lot more about the issues you're facing than a general practitioner, family Dr, or many other specialists.
And perform testicle self-exams regularly if you don't already, if you don't know how to do them then ask at the clinic and they'll show you.
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O_Son 7y ago
I've done a lot of research on testosterone production over the last few years and I agree with everything that you posted above. I've been doing most of those things for many years now, but I go through spurts of drinking more than I should- maybe 2 days a week but not passout or puke drunk, just 5-6 shots of bourbon to slow down time or whatnot. I've cut back though lately. Also, I eat paleo so in the past I didn't get enough carbs, starting 6 months or so ago I increased them quite a bit though.
I read AnabolicMen all of the time and agree with 99% of it, is TestShock worth it for someone that's read most of that blog and already implemented most of the tips you mentioned?
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To a certain extent , op had really low test. His dads test levels is almost as low as a womans. Op has bad genes and its not finding excuses. Yes what you mention helps but some people like op are actually deficient and need injections.
hores 7y ago
There has been an across-the-board decrease of testosterone levels in men in the past 50 years. environmental factors play a way bigger role than we realize. If frogs are changing sex from runoff water, imagine what we really consume.
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Dude, it's literally impossible to avoid plastic. It's everywhere. They don't make glass water cooler bottles do they? I imagine those would break real easy, not practical at all.
I'll lift and supplement, try to eat well. What am I supposed to do about BPA? You can't avoid plastic and if you don't drink tap water then the water you drink will definitely have come in contact with plastic. It's like honestly, whatevs. I don't really have a choice now do I?
dazed111 7y ago
The frogs are doing what now?
hores 7y ago
https://student.societyforscience.org/article/when-frog-gender-flips
From one common chemical. Factor in the other estrogen mimicking compounds such as plasticizers found in everyday packaging material for foods and other products, and you've got a recipe for feminized males.
*edit: oh and of course, birth control chemicals in our water supplies
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I would love if you actually provided proof of that statement(going from 200 to 800 naturally). Lol.
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TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
Heard of hypogonadism? Stop talking out of your ass and admit there are people genetically predisposed to low testosterone.
Iowamagic 7y ago
I don't think you understand how proof works. Just because someone calls you out doesn't mean they are a troll, literally just link a source
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Portuguybto 7y ago
No it does not show him to belive that, you don't know how logic work.
Monkey_Jerk 7y ago
Hypothyroidism also causes low testosterone so before jumping straight to injections make sure your thyroid is working properly.
I had sub-clinical hypothyroidism and my testosterone levels always came back at between 260 and 350. Recently I found out I now have hyperthyroidism but my testosterone went up to just over 700. Symptoms of low t are still there though.
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Monkey_Jerk 7y ago
Have been taking Carbimazole for the past two weeks for the hyperthyroidism. Nothing before that.
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Well, the key phrase there "I HAD NO IDEA WHY". Depression is not a fucking "WEATHER" like modern dumbass psychiatrists like to say. Depression has a cause, a trigger, a way in. If you got yourself sucked into the depression that's because there is some problem with you.
Low testosterone is not a trigger of a depression but merely a consequence. However increasing testosterone e.g. work out and act masculine can decrease incidence of real depression just because you resolve couple of inner problem - you feel yourself better and confident so why the fuck lay in the bed and cry?
Also your dick is working pretty shity through depressive periods but it's not because there is some problem there. It's because you want to kill yourself and don't want to fuck. Because it's difficult to want simultaneously to kill yourself and to fuck. That's easy.
lemming1607 7y ago
I disagree. Low-T is a high cause of depression, and can lead to alot of problems with mental health.
I'm not saying all depression is Low-T related. But Low-T is a leading cause of depression
Sks44 7y ago
I got diagnosed with Low Test. My health insurance won't pay for the medicine.
lemming1607 7y ago
that sucks :( I have it through the VA
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
Pay for it yourself. Having high test will literally change your life.
Sks44 7y ago
It'd be 500 clams a month. Cant afford it.
frozenalaskent 7y ago
You can get it cheaper online.
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
Where I am a vial of test costs under $100, and that's considered expensive. Don't know where you got $500 from.
Sks44 7y ago
Doctor prescribed Andro-Gel. When I went to get it, the pharmacy said my Insurance refused to cover and it would be 500 if I wanted it.
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
Ahh okay I didnt realise you got a prescription.