Summary
Woman loses count of her sexual partners during her years as "a heavy drinking twenty-something in New York City with a glamorous job at a well-known magazine." Would be unable to teach her daughter about the partner count & pair-bonding correlation even if she knew the numbers.
Body
From that treasure trove of twat-itude that is Gawker Media comes a submission drowning in RP truths. The article was linked on another page while I was browsing Jalopnik for some car news. Yes I know Jalopnik is part of the Gawker Gestapo, but I use an ad blocker so it's OK, right? ^Male ^hamstering.
In the intro of her article, the mother mentions a wise man from her past.
I told him I’d had five partners. He raised an eyebrow and said: My dad told me that whatever number a woman tells you, multiply it by 3. I thought his response was presumptuous and insulting and I told him so. What I didn’t tell him was that, at least for me, his dad was absolutely right.
The truth offends, gentlemen.
I don’t often think about the actual number of sexual partners I’ve had. But I do know I would never tell anyone the truth. Not even my closest confidantes. Why? Well, two reasons. First, I know my number is way higher than any of my friends and I don’t want to be judged. And besides that — I actually have no idea what the number is.
For fear of losing the respect of her closest friends, this woman won't even bother to come up with an estimate.
... I can only come up with a ballpark guesstimate of my sexual partners. (More than 30, less than…say, 70.)
But for Internet strangers, she'll do an estimate that has a high number that is more than double her low-end figure.
But by my mid-twenties, I lost count and gave up trying to keep up. It didn’t seem necessary. Once I’d crossed into the double digits, I couldn’t even remember why I’d initially thought it was important to keep track. What difference does it make, right?
That's right, honey, it makes no difference. Except for evidence that the chances of having a stable relationship decreases with increasing partner counts. Not to mention the continual examples posted here on TRP about Thousand-Cock Stares and women smashing into the wall before committing to someone she would be happy with.
My daughter Lauren has been sexually active for about two years. We both lost our virginity around the same age—which is why I’m freaking out. I’d had five partners by the time I was 19. And I don’t want Lauren’s number to be that high.
This mother has already driven off the cliff and is still trying to slam on those brakes. (Jack Handy original.) The time to teach your daughter about avoiding promiscuity is before she is sexually active, you dumb bitch.
I’m sure that Lauren has a much healthier attitude toward sex than I did at 19.
Of course. Because why try to teach your daughter virtue and responsibility when you can "hope" and "be sure?"
I worked hard to make that happen, starting when she was very young.
This woman is about to be faced with her complete failure in this department.
Lauren’s now a freshman in college. She hasn’t had an official boyfriend since 11th grade, so there’s really no way I can gauge how many partners she’s had.
She's actually correct here. It's called the Cock Carousel, lady.
Mother/Daughter Q&A
Mother in bold, daughter italics.
First question: did you set a standard for yourself before you were sexually active? Did you give any thought to the number of partners that would make sense for you? Absolutely. I planned on having something like five to eight partners over the course of my entire life. Where did you get that number range from? I have no idea. Maybe my friends? Or maybe society as a whole?
I've heard other girls with the same idea. If you guys have ideas on how the 5 partner number came to be, explain in the comments.
Did that number change once you become sexually active? It did. When my friends started to have sex and began to have multiple partners, I started thinking differently about what an ‘acceptable’ number would be.
Translation: I found out my friends were on the carousel also, so I figured it was OK.
You’re a first year student at a super-duper liberal school for fine art. What do your peers at school say about having a high number of partners? My circle of friends here at school has the same feelings I do—they agree that it really doesn’t matter.
Well no fucking shit. At a fine art college where "empowered women" have committed years of their lives to not only "finding themselves" but also "expressing themselves" once "found," you'll find other women who have no clue that they'll wind up a used-up, stretched out mess at 35. At which time they'll figure out their best chances of having children were a decade ago, and any chance of a successful birth is dwindling by the month.
Your number of sexual partners… I want to ask. But I don’t know if I want to know your number. That makes sense. Because I don’t know if I want you to know my number either! Okay, tell me. Mom, are you sure you want to know? You say that like I need to brace myself. You probably do. I’m ready. Tell me. Okay, so the number is…
The author then omits the number from the column because "my husband might read this."
Let’s just say, her number is higher than mine was at 19. And my initial reaction was that the number was much too high for an almost-19-year old who has been sexually active for two years.
The mother's number at 19 was five. My personal guess for the daughter is 15, which would be roughly one partner every 7 weeks. Completely "achievable" for a girl that age in 2015/2016.
So. How do you feel about that number? Honestly, I don’t feel any way about it. I feel fine with it. I don’t have any feelings toward it.
Halfway to that Thousand-Cock Stare already, huh?
I might have a different feeling about it if I wasn’t in this environment. I’ve sat around with my roommate and my friends and compared numbers. I certainly don’t have the lowest number. But I don’t have the highest either.
Again, her friends are on the carousel also, so it's gotta be OK.
Have you ever told a potential sexual partner how many partners you’ve had? No. But no one has asked. That’s not the kind of information I’d volunteer.
Of course not. Instinctively these women know it's not respectable, otherwise there would be no reason to hide it.
Lessons Learned
- In addition to the 3X Rule, some women will lie entirely because they lost track of the real number.
- If you hear the number 5, the real number could be anything because many women believe 5 is a socially-acceptable number.
- Sluts raise sluts. Even if some have no regrets about their personal number, they may not want their daughter to be in the same position. As this column will show, some mothers will fail in their efforts to prevent their daughters from having high partner counts also.
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Fuck_shadow_bans 8y ago
I love how the "Think about what you would say to your daughter and/or sister if she behaved like you did" works with all of them.
Zero fucking self-awareness. What did you even get out of that many sexual partners that you couldn't have gotten from a $40 vibrating dildo?
Jesus Christ, but
somewomen are so fucking dumb.DistantWinter 8y ago
I read a post on Reddit this week from a user who had been on so many online dates and had so much sex that she now couldn't bear to listen to another guy talk about his mother and how she finds it hard to connect with any man now.
She openly admitted she had no care to listen to a mans story or that she would ever care to meet his mother. That sex was now baseless and unappealing due to having so much of it with strangers. She felt as if men were jacking off inside her when having sex.
All I could think about when reading it was The Red Pill was right again. This person has rode the Carousel and cannot pair bond.
From the Lessons Learned: 5 is a socially acceptable number.
Women instinctively know that telling a man how many partners they have really been with will repel them. Yet feminism tells them it's OK to have many partners. Experiment and enjoy yourself and anyone who says otherwise is slut shaming. It's just circular logic in a vacuum.
kappy_the_kike 8y ago
I was banging this 18 year old chick who had a high count. She was very aggressive and demanding, total wack job. These modern women are trash
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 8y ago
Was watching a doc on Netflix, think it was called AFTER PORN (or something like that), all about once famous porn stars, and what they're doing now / how they're getting on in life etc. One of the (formerly famous) male porn stars made a rather astute observation at one point, he said "People always ask me, 'Well how do you maintain a relationship, and then have sex with all these other people [for work] at the same time??' And I tell them 'It's not sex, it's more like: masturbating with someone else's body..."
I heard that and thought: yep, EVERY woman in the sexual marketplace is a porn star now...
TheReformist94 8y ago
I don't believe women value love or commitment.their actions show it.its impossible to keep them off the CC,there are far too many variables that need to be adhered to to have a decent shot at an LTR. They are worse suited to monogamy than men,and se to have as much of a desire for sexual variety as men.why else would the avg girl be racking up 30 to 40 cocks.
Also the can evidently play the field better than men.they don't worry about men fuckin other women and seeing as their ability to pair bond after only 4 or 5/cocks fries their circuitry most girls must be way more cut out for sleeping around with it catching feelings.
[deleted] 8y ago
I think this idea of feminism as empowering women to ruin themselves via nonstop casual sex is all a con. Women know that for women, having lots of sex with lots of men causes mental issues and can greatly reduce a woman's long term appeal. So they encourage this behavior as means to sabotage them. For the women who aren't party sluts it is to their advantage to have other women become party sluts because now it raises their value.
Fuck_shadow_bans 8y ago
When realistically the only socially acceptable number should be Zero...outside of a committed relationship. Women don't understand the economics of the SMP at all.
[deleted] 8y ago
As a dude in his mid twenties and constantly finding myself in the company of women like this, I feel like I'm losing my ability to pair bond too lol.. Then when they share stuff like "omg this slutty thing my friend did" all I can think is "bitch I know you did that too and you're using my reaction to gauge whether it's socially acceptable that you did it".
Same as the "I have this friend Jim and he's really scared of roller coasters!" when talking about yourself concept.
princepeanutbutter 8y ago
So much this.. After my N went past 20 I lost interest in romance and realized all women are basically the same. Like that, the same, whatever, the whole dance is the same. I hate most first dates. Online I next any girl who asks me more than two boilerplate questions, just can't stand to answer.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Mate I got cat called twice tonight by two hot sluts after going on a pretty terrible date with an actually genuine, albeit much less attractive girl. Ended up hooking up with one of them instead of my wholesome date.
It isn't just them who loses how to pairbond, but the mess society is in is entirely their fault (well, actually it's ours for letting them get away with it, but men have been doing whatever it takes to get laid since forever).
fingerthemoon 8y ago
Quality birth control and abortion removed immediate consequence. Feminism and the shift of public values never would have happened without this. Now they're like a child alone in a candy shop and just can't help themselves.
Can you really blame them? Sex is the most concentrated neurological pleasure response. It makes a woman feel valuable and wanted and it's so easy to get.
Really we should feel sorry for them because they're basically drug addicts. They aren't fully aware of the consequences and the pleasure is just too alluring.
We opened pandora's box and now can't put the genie back in the bottle. The best option available to men now is to learn not to get attached and enjoy the decline.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
You should look up the recent findings on semen addiction as it gets absorbed through the vaginal walls. Fascinating stuff.
fingerthemoon 8y ago
Yeah, I've read about that. It has mood elevators and contributes to their overall mental health.
Vaginas also have beneficial bacteria that are good for men's health as well, so eat it up guys.
yaysmr 8y ago
Not quite that simple. Men gave up the helm of society, too.
Having a legal system that at least acknowledged that women were too undisciplined to truly be responsible for their actions and that they were likewise the key to a society's long-term success would help.
But we gave women the vote way back when, and required absolutely nothing from them to prove their ability to handle it. Laws changed really quickly after that.
By the time readily available birth control and abortion rolled around, we (men) had lost the ability to put any reasonable limits on their use. And in part due to new divorce laws, dads were being booted out of families and mothers were raising the children. You want to find the major cause of this situation, find the people who managed to convince legislators that we should be biased towards placing the children in the mother's care whenever dividing custody. If I could make one change to history, it'd be changing that so that fathers would always be considered first for primary caretaking.
Instead of a society where the above are used by people who genuinely want to control their reproduction or to terminate dangerous/'defective' pregnancies, it is a justification for undisciplined behavior as it can be fixed after the fact.
And we're not even allowed to shame them anymore.
fingerthemoon 8y ago
IDK man, I'm not convinced of that argument. Allowing women to vote seems reasonable to me in a pre-birth-control-nuclear-family-society. If her interests are intrinsically tied to the preservation and welfare of the family, coupled with the fact that she would be reliant/dependent on her man, then I have no problem with her having a say in matters. Often times they can see things from another perspective which is totally valid and wise.
I've been impulsive and impassioned before and grounded by the advice of my significant other. Women have their own set of strengths. For instance, she's probably more tuned into public perception and can see repercussions that men could be oblivious too. She's also probably more aware of lies and manipulation as this is her forte.
Ever heard the saying that behind every good man is a woman? They have their value and are capable of reason and logic as well. I think the main problem is unchecked hypergamy and the removal of responsibility and consequence from women, and the overbearing nanny state that provides for single mothers.
I also think it's a good idea to have men and woman pass a basic intelligence test before being allowed to registering and vote.
catacamas 8y ago
Reality check: Men still run society. And this will always be true, because women aren't as up to the task. Look at institutions of justice - mostly run by men. Look at the mines and power stations that drive our economies - mostly run by men. Look at the factories that build everything from our cars to ships to airplanes to computers - mostly run by men. Look at the transport systems and infrastructure - mostly created and run by men. Look at agriculture and fishing - mostly run by men. Look at our law enforcement bodies - mostly run by men. Look at our IT infrastructure - mostly created and run by men. Look at bridges, buildings, architecture - mostly done by men. Look at the institutions pioneering space travel - mostly run by men. Even churches are mostly run by men. Our military bodies are mostly run by men. Look at legislative/law-making bodies - mostly run by men, most laws are written by men.
We have a lot of power still - so stop whining and just take the reins and take control, that's what men do. Start talking to other men about simply doing the same.
Women will never 'take the helm' of society. They're mostly more interested in having fun or riding the coattails of what men do or raising babies.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
You should look up the recent findings on semen addiction as it gets absorbed through the vaginal walls. Fascinating stuff.
LyricBaritone 8y ago
Just to be clear, should he look up the recent findings on semen addiction? Wasn't sure.
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Ah yeah ive done something similar before. I think it's been this way since the dawn of time. Probably why you see the more religious catholic types or jews being more successful in life (generally speaking of course). Strict family structure and moral expectations keep women and men from giving in to those earthly pleasures.
I guess slutty behavior wouldn't bother me if there was 0 risk of disease and it wasnt psychologically damaging. Personally I think it's just as bad for guys to be this way but that's my own opinion and not relative to TRP. then again if guys dont act this way now they're deemed weird for not having a lot of sex.. getting that virgin vibe.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
We're just adapting to survive to fulfill our biological imperative: use our dicks to scoop semen out of as many vaginas as possible and replace it with our own
addittogether 8y ago
There was some king who went mad or something because he had TOO much sex with his harems or something.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
How is it our fault if we didn't know? That's some guilt tripping that needs to stop. Now we know. Now we take action.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
What do you mean we didn't know? Our fathers' generation was weak-willed; they heard the first wave feminism and humanitarianism movements and didn't out their firm foot down to stop it immediately, because in many places where they were catching on, so too was drug culture and sexual liberation, and they listened to their dicks instead of their brains and went along with all of it, knowing exactly what was going on. Note these issues are way worse in major cities then they are in Smalltown, USA, because they still happily follow religious practices in those areas.
Most of us aren't taking action. Most of us here are merely learning to take advantage. It's capitalism at its finest.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
I didn't know. You didn't know. Most of us were raised to behave and believe lies. I'm not going to feel shame about it. And what can I do about it besides enjoy it for what it is and not marry? Eventually women will get the hint. Not this generation. Maybe not the next. But eventually they'll wise up to the realization that now we know their game and won't commit to their hedonistic pussy.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Except we won't be having the children; the betas will, and the cycle will continue. Well, actually they will be our children, but we won't ever meet them and they'll convince betas to raise them for us ~9 months after that time she took off her ring and went out to the bar for some proper fuck. And this shit is entirely a product of the environment we are raised in, so it will repeat, no matter how good our genetics.
It is men's fault things became like this, but you are correct: it is not the fault of you, or I, or probably 95%+ of men on here. I do not expect you or anyone else to apologize for it. Hell, I don't apologize for anything. I'm not here to fix the problem, just make the best path for me and myself to survive in the world we have, same as most of us here. No shame, just facts. Our fathers fucked up because our grandfathers are some wise-ass redpill motherfuckers.
AwryyrwA 8y ago
Personally, I'd raise my own child. So speak for yourself. Oh, and knock off the women-shouldn't-vote bullshit. Nobody has qualified you to vote either.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Then I hope it's planned and with a surrogate or you are bride shopping overseas; otherwise, the odds of you even knowing you have a child who's actually yours are quite slim. Either you're the one who puts it in her and never knows, or the one who thinks it is his who the doctor had to lie to about that fact to your face and who the courts force to provide for regardless of its actual genetical heritage.
My IQ, my college degree from a good school, and my ability to research both sides of an issue before drawing a conclusion make me more than capable of voting, a right which most people genuinely don't deserve, regardless of gender, because they lack at least two, and usually all three, of the things I just listed above.
Also, where did I mention women shouldn't be allowed to vote? This has to do with sexual liberation and a cultural shift, not political voice. While I won't deny that much of the early change started from women wanting the right to vote, only a fucking idiot of neanderthalic proportions wouldn't be able to predict the logical events that would follow. Thankfully, the world is full of people like that; they are called consumers... or sheep, depending on who you're talking to. Perhaps learn to read properly before chiming in next time, hmmm?
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BobBobCan 8y ago
This is a very important topic. Let´s say you´re consider a lifetime investment, or parental invenstment, with a partner. Then you certainly will need a way to gauge whether or not she is suitable for that job or not. You cannot just ask a woman how many partners she´s had in her life and expect her to answer honestly. What she can consciously control shouldn't be trusted when it comes to such matters. What I believe we have to do is to gauge their everyday behavior and most importantly the unconscious things that they slip out through small details - precisely what they cannot control.
[deleted] 8y ago
A number like 30 wouldn't be hard to achieve. Its probably damn near the average nowadays.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
I was just thinking of the metrics. Of course, as we all know, any woman can get laid just about any time. Per common perception, most hot women get hit on 10 times per day minimum. That means for every 69 (ha) passes a woman rejects, and submits to number 70, then she gets fucked once. a. week.
Once a week means 50 per year. OK, 50 a year may be overdoing it. So, let's say she rejects 209 hits, and fucks number 210. That would mean that she fucks one every 3 weeks, which means that she fucks 17 1/3 per year. By the first year, it's 17. By the 5th year, it's 75. If she starts at 19, (lol) by the age of 24 she 75 to her count.
IMHO, this number is entirely too low, but, it can give perspective.
marplaneit 8y ago
I Heard a 21 regular girl say she had only had sex with 5 guys in 2015...
It mostly depends on how long she has been single, if a woman stays from 18-25 single, she can easily have n-count of 20++.
7 years x 5 (guys... a guy from tinder, 2 nightstands, and 2 dates that's like nothing compared for today standarts in a whole year)
N count = 35
Polaris382 8y ago
Well after the Hulk Hogan lawsuit, Gawker probably wont be around much longer (not that it changes women any).
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
This is one of the big reasons women are unbearable in this day and age. No one can compete with the collective memory of fifty cocks slamming up her cunt. You'll get a jaded creature that will give you half her sexual potential because it's been fucked out of her.
But you better treat her like a princess while she scams and loots the ever living crap out of your husk of a life.
[deleted] 8y ago
ahahaah your second sentence made me laugh irl. good job :D (no sarcasm)
MachiavEasy 8y ago
I'm curious as to what is to what TRP thinks is too high of an n-count for a 21 year old girl, and then for a 21-25. and 25+.
I've seen the statistics showing that women with more sexual partners have a harder time pair bonding, but I was confused as to what constitutes too high to bother.
So if I am comfortable with a 21 year old, and am considering an LTR, what n-count should I consider a red flag?
Rommel0502 7y ago
For a serious LTR candidate?
21 - 0
21-25 - 1-2, and only in a LTR
25+ - <5 at any age, and all from LTRs.
RPmatrix 8y ago
who cares? I really don't get why you guys obsess with 'n' counts. You're out to fuck sluts, what do you expect, a club full of virgins waiting for Chad? fuck that's the last thing you want!
we talk about "she not yours, it's just your turn" so what's the big deal?
there's nothing special about a virgins, if anything their inexperience is stifling to fun fucking. Sure you aren't gunning for AW's but there's plenty of in between out there
As for trying to teach a young girl not to do what everybody else does is about as useful as telling her to "just say no" to drugs.
Why don't we just accept people have sex, it's nbd, ffs it's why you're here at TRP, to get better at attracting women so you can fuck them! And you're not alone, sexually active women get fucked, get over it!
IMO what makes for good sex is the level of passion involved. I hate starfish. I'm long past P'nDing chicks it's not worth the effort, it's wanking in a cunt, I literally couldn't be fucked unless she gives me fucking tingles!
and you know what? I've never been able to guess how many guys a girl I'm fucking has been with ... and I really don't care.
Deapluv 8y ago
After the "anger" stage comes the "bargaining" stage of swallowing the red pill. Obsessing over partner count is nothing more than male hamster trying to bargain. Soon they will move on to "acceptance"
Mindcrime2015 8y ago
As a guess, I would say pretty much anyone who cares about partner count is internally still seeking a LTR/marriage. Given the opportunity, the vast majority here would like a worthwhile woman as a marriage partner. Just my opinion.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Which is fine. TRP is not about banging sluts at its core, but self-improving, as a man, to get what you want out of women. Not everyone on here is out to bang sluts. I know plenty of people that have come here for the sake of successfully repairing their marriages by allowing divorce-rape talk from their wives to manning up, taking charge, and having their wives actively trying to make them proud.
This is a board of conversation for men who have woken up to the truths about women to discuss it with other men. What they do with the knowledge of natural female instincts and behavior in a world that is no longer keeping it in check is up to them. Hell, I know guys who swore off of women entirely as a result. Maybe this is just the place for them to realize "wow, it really is that bad here in America/ insert westernized country here" and decide that instead of settling with sloppy seconds, they'd rather travel to Eastern Europe or Asia to find a (probably virgin) wife because they put themselves first, don't compromise any longer, and live for themselves. No need to give up on their lifelong dream of raising a successful family just because there are more whores than ever before. We probably have pornography to thank for that, too. "Everyone else is doing it, so it's okay for us to do it as well!" That style of thinking is universal for women and always has been.
I don't care about partner count for a quick lay. That's moronic. However, it's equally as moronic to not care about partner count for any kind of emotionally based LTR as well. This is why the wall exists: we are the prize around here, and we want nothing whatsoever to do with these women, because the next wave of sluts are already here to party.
The line will shuffle forwards.
FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
OP here. I'm in my mid-30s and far past the point of considering marriage. But there are some of the younger guys who come here who think marriage is still a possibility for them. If this post helps them realize that the number of women out there who are marriage material is continually approaching zero, then I've done my part.
For the guys who have been around here for a while, this is just another example. Which is why I realize I actually forgot to include "AWALT" and "Never Marry" in the Lessons Learned section. Those are ingrained.
RPmatrix 8y ago
man, all this talk about marriage! Nothing wrong with LTR"s but marriage? aaahh! spare me!
BIKEBIKE_bikebike 8y ago
I can't believe anyone thinks for a minute that 30 is a reasonable number for a woman to have past about age 20.
All the girls I have ever known had 30 by the time they were old enough to get into a bar legally. Fifty to a hundred partners for all my friends and acquaintances, easily. Most of them lost virginity in jr high.
Most of my friends were very pretty, but even the ugly ones were keeping up.
You're not going to find a girl with a low count. Unless she's a socially retarded fixer upper cast out.
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[deleted] 8y ago
this is pure truth.
my first sexual partner (I was hers too) were together for about 3 years before we finally split ways. and man did she ever go fucking crazy. she fucked so many losers. and she was the kind of girl you would NEVER expect to be like that, like kept her virginity until she was 21, so you'd assume she'd probably keep a pretty low N-count after that but nooooo way holy shit
the best part was when i remember her phoning me one night panicking because she let some guy make a video of them (probably without his face in it) , and he was threatening to put it on facebook to force her to keep hooking up with him and she was asking me what to do about it
honestly i had no idea what she should do i just laughed and told her how retarded she was and how glad I was that it wasn't my problem
zue3 8y ago
She didn't because after you two broke up she knew her only chance at a stable relationship was gone. Once the man she lost her virginity to dumped her she knew that she was worthless. So why not slut it up?
A+ response. Don't bother making her issues your problem, she fucked her own life up.
Best part is that she called you, the man she lost her virginity to, with this problem in the first place. She feels she has some connection to you because in the bygone ages you would've been her husband and she knows it.
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[deleted] 8y ago
That's a great way to calculate.
[deleted] 8y ago
I thought I was a player in high school cause this girl I was chatting with on AIM scanned her pussy and boobs and sent me the JPEGs.
Turned out she sent them to 4 of my best friends too lol.
DotishGuy 8y ago
that story was short roller coaster ride, but goddamn it was a rush
coyotefleas 8y ago
I stopped asking years ago, about the time I stopped believing just about anything that came out of my gfs' mouths.
flat6turbo 8y ago
much better to believe in things coming into their mouths, than things coming out of them.
[deleted] 8y ago
I find it pretty easy to gauge and make ball park estimates just based on their lifestyles and habits. A single girl who hits the bars every weekend is more than likely to have taken some strange dick for sure. Does she have slutty friends? etc..
I don't really even think about this shit anymore cause every girl I sleep with I know is going to have some ghosts in the closet.. Like my date's best friend tonight who slept with 6 different dudes in one week right after her BF broke up with her. BTW after hearing that I literally wanted to vomit.
Shit like this makes it really hard to date in your 20's.. Or take any relationship seriously at all for that matter. I knew my date tonight wanted to bang, why else would she pick me up and drive me around for an hour.. But I just had no desire and lost attractiveness for her when she mentioned her friend.. All I could think was "Wow bet she did the same thing too. That's fucking gross!"
TheReformist94 8y ago
I don't believe for one second that women desire monogamy commitment or even love.I even believe they are as polygamous as men,just in a hypergamic manner.they are worse suited to serial monogamy than men. Its clearly hard work keeping them off the CC and why are.the majority of girls taking in 25 dicks.that quite promiscuous even for a successful male.
foldpak111 8y ago
I've gotten to the point where I can't even take women seriously anymore. I was in Pizza Hut a minute ago and this chick in an extra slutty outfit asks me if I work there. I reply "No. Do I look like it?" "No, blah blah blah" and I realized it was Friday night and told her not to slut it up too much. She got all offended and I just laughed and walked off. Fuckin' whores ruining our economy.
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yomo86 8y ago
Laughed so hard. True. As soon as a woman is not blabbering about vapid issues and tries to communicate information it is always power talk. Fact checking or further investigation in such matters always result in different "meanings" "misunderstandings" or "approaches" - ie she know she has been caught and is hamstering.
"I had 5 sex partners"
So more like 15? I replied in a playful fashion.
"No - I mean like 5 with who it really mattered, but you are no saint, too (obvious pressure flip shit test)."
Steve_Wiener 8y ago
and 10 which i regretted, so it doesn't count
Newbosterone 8y ago
And 10 more but that was oral, so they don't count. And of course, vacations, well they don't count, nor when "it just happened" or when he got me drunk.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
this.
can someone explain to me why people keep bringing up partner count?
2 things I have internalized about partner count.
1) her partner count will always be higher that yours ( unless you are the 1% of guys a fuck like a bunny she will have a partner count always
2) if she isn't your and it's just * your time WHY are you worried about her partner count, you are just one of many. Enjoy her company and the sex WHILE YOU GET IT. Nothing lasts for ever. so why bother stressing over something dumb like partner count. just use a condom and you should be fine.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
You're right. I think it's mostly the consistent reminder of how us men were in the dark for too long. Then we compare our own "game" against their "game" and feel inadequate. But we have to remember girls have no game. They're pussy is the prize to the game. They just have to make the decision to hand it out.
dhump 8y ago
Do people even keep count past a certain point? I'm not bragging by any means, but once I crested ~30, I just stopped caring.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
i only count because i can count them on one hand and it makes me sad. good thing I read red pill daily lol
dhump 8y ago
Just talk to them/crack jokes with them like you would one of the guys. They appreciate being talked to like they're an actual person. Then...move in for the kill~
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If you're just banging, it doesn't really matter as long as you're using a condom, which you should be. But if you're gonna date a girl or have kids with her then that shit matters.
whatsazipper 8y ago
That's the issue, isn't it. Most women are taking themselves off the dating market but insisting they're top quality dating material. They aren't. They're good for fun and fucking.
yaysmr 8y ago
That has always been the issue, at least of late.
Between the fatties, feminists, single mothers, post-wall, and the sluts (theres some overlap) I'm willing to bet that only 5-7% of the eligible female population is really fit for marriage.
Might be a bit more than that, but any guy who is seriously looking for an LTR and wants kids down the line is basically looking for buried treasure in a minefield.
cariboo_j 8y ago
0%. You can't find a good woman for a bad contract.
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
divide your estimates by 3
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I'd say almost no women are fit for marriage in the Western world if only because the institute of marriage has become so anti-male. A guy has nothing to gain and everything to lose by getting married.
Luckily, you don't have to be married to be in a committed LTR and have kids.
zue3 8y ago
Go younger. Put aside any Hollywood anti pedo conditioning that has been ingrained into you and consider dating younger girls.
Why? Because most women are idiots anyways so dating young doesn't change anything there. If anything, less life experience means she won't be able to lie effectively.
Younger girls have a higher likelihood of beings virgins. And any self respecting man with dating experience shouldn't be considering a ltr with anything but a virgin.
trilliam_clinton 8y ago
This is one of the worst statements I've ever seen receive upvotes on this beautiful sub.
Virgins are the worst sex I've ever had. Women who wait into their 20s to lose their virginity have been infinitely more insane than any CC rider I've ever experienced.
zue3 8y ago
Experiences vary from country to country. In certain places there are women in their 20s who retain the virginity along with their sanity.
The point here is not to find an experienced nymphomaniac to have crazy sex with, but to find a decent wife/ltr.
You could always take a virgin and train her to become your personal slut; you can't take a slut and train her to avoid cock.
gotwreckedatduke 8y ago
lowest age of consent is 16 I think, and I would venture to say that at least 75%(conservative estimate, more likely 100% but I'd like to hope not for humanity's sake) of the girls that I would consider attractive enough for me (hb8, face and body, no butterfaces) probably don't have their virginity by then.I remember watching one of those maury or jerry springer type shows and it was some kid that was like 12 saying she lost her virginity at 8. I get the whole of point of those shows is to habituate you to lower standards but damn.
zue3 8y ago
Yeah it's gone to shit in most of the world. Which is why the main message in this sub is to not get married, period.
However, I'm saying that if you were so inclined, marrying a virgin is your best bet at having a traditional marriage.
whatsazipper 8y ago
The issue is significantly amplified in large, liberal cities. On the plus side, there are fewer fatties, but sluttiness is the norm. It's great unless you're looking to entertain the idea of a serious LTR. Pussy buffet vs. family prospects.
yaysmr 8y ago
I haven't lived in big cities much of my life, but I have to assume you're correct, the social pressure both from immediate peers and media (Sex in the City, basically any show with attractive young people in New York) to get out and bang would make it nigh-impossible to resist. Women take their cues from the herd, if everyone in the herd is slutting it up, it is what she'll view as normal.
But if you get out of big cities you will actually have to work to even find the women you would consider marrying.
One of my crazier dreams is to found a new city just called "Patriarchyville" that has strict rules of conduct for both men and women but is still actually a fun place to live (so, you know, I don't have to live among religious fundamentalists) with interesting things to do. Girls who actually want to move there would theoretically be better for marriage than average. Would make them easier to find and separate them from the corrosive effects of modern media/culture.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
I've never felt empathy for this. If you are socially pressured by a TV SHOW, you're an idiot.
yaysmr 8y ago
Its not just a TV show, it is basically every TV show, movie, magazine, and book that they consume that is normalizing a and glamorizing a particular lifestyle.
There is no facet of media that isn't pushing the narrative. They're saturated in it. It is why I think one (unlikely) solution is to set up a society that is cut off from that culture as much as possible.
But yes, women are easily influenced by media. Big surprise.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
I don't think the amish are doing well. Women are women, man.
whatsazipper 8y ago
Pressure might be the wrong word. Whether we like it or not, women adopt a lot of their behaviour from their environment, and that especially includes media.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
No you're right. Women believe and buy into the dumbest shit. They're usually their own cause and effect. They get everyone to believe something is going to happen so it happens. Salem witch trials.
CAUSE: "OMG everyone's fucking so I need to sleep around a lot to fit in!"
EFFECT: Women sleep around a lot
WOMEN: "See! I was right and I'm glad I slept around!"
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[deleted] 8y ago
what's the point of even asking? No one is going to provide a real number.
[deleted] 8y ago
Same. I say to drop the convo from the start.
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Yeah its nothing ever good comes from it. Either party ks bound to be put off by their partner's number.
MajorMid 8y ago
We are fucked as a society.
I overheard two 12 year old girls talking the other day at my job about hooking up with guys. "Oh is Joe the type to leave right afterwards". I swear the shit they were saying made my stomach turn.
Oh well. I guess enjoy the decline.
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I'm just showing up to laugh at the burning house.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
The shocking thing is, that, 5 years and 60 cocks from now, any 20 year old who fucks them would go to prison for fucking a 'child'.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 8y ago
It's generational.
For Gen-X women (born between 1960 and 1975) the reported number of partners was always an exact "7" or "8"--with the real number usually hovering somewhere around 35.
For Gen-Y women (born between 1976 and 1989) the reported number is always a slightly more vague "Oh, I don't know, less than 20...??"--with the real number usually around 60 to 70 partners for a lifetime.
For Millenials (born 1990 and after), while it's a little early to say as they're just starting to enter the sexual marketplace, expect the reported number to be "Well I'm still in the double digits / under 100, so it's all OK..."--and of course the real number will be closer to 200 or 300.
(With all of the above, note that the "Take whatever she says and multiply it by 3" rule pretty much holds throughout.)
The rising numbers with each successive generation has mostly to do with access: Gen-Xers had to meet in person at school, at work, out at bars etc, Gen-Yers had access to the Internet / online dating, and Millenials have mobile / app dating.
Just wait until augmented reality comes in a few years from now--then the orgy will really get going...
[deleted] 8y ago
Given current times the X3 rule should be bumped up to the X4 rule.
And if they say 5-8 rule who fucking knows.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Try the 10x rule if your gut feeling doesn't feel right.
ForensicFungineer 8y ago
I really like Jalopnik, specifically Lanesplitter and Foxtrot Alpha. I feel dirty after reading them.
vaelamin 8y ago
What a great time to be an alpha pussy everywhere.
Bricklayer-gizmo 8y ago
This children, is why commas are important. This fella seems to be an alpha pussy everywhere he goes.
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foldpak111 8y ago
Nah bro it's like Beyoncé pussy. Or judge Judy idk
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swank86 8y ago
chinese is the same, but their number falls on 2. i happen to have been the third guy for a few of these girls supposedly
Apexk9 8y ago
I honestly don't care just a number.
niceguy_gone_cad 8y ago
In China too young is just a name.
RedBigMan 8y ago
If its for a ONS or plate the number don't matter but if it's for a LTR the number really does matter.
Apexk9 8y ago
Disagree don't matter too me.
Just something small and insignificant. Maybe if you worry someone fucked her better or she had bigger dicks and that makes you insecure maybe that matters in your head.
But too me nah.
The__Tren__Train 8y ago
if you have no intention of getting married, then yeah, it definitely doesn't matter.
im kinda in the same boat, I couldn't care less tbh.
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wont_tell_i_refuse_ 8y ago
I'll come down on this guy's side despite his downvotes and say it doesn't matter if you're just looking for LTR and don't plan to marry the bitch or have kids with her.
I personally could never look a slut in the eyes and tell her I loved her, sleep next to a slut every night, et cetera but if we're talking just a girlfriend there's really no science for why you shouldn't do it.
Apexk9 8y ago
On the alternative a women fucked a lot figured what she wants in a man and is looking for it so she becomes more picky.
That's what happened too me. I fucked a lot I know exactly what I want in a women and I don't settle till I find it.
As a person who has worked in advertising studies to me are as useful for information as toilet paper.
foldpak111 8y ago
Instant gratification is a hallmark of low IQ. High IQ have the mindset of an investor. Deprive in the present for glory in the future. Most people do the former and end up fucked in the long run.
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evileddy 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
The more partners a woman has the more resistant she is to this bonding.
Apexk9 8y ago
You can fuck 1000 people and still form a bond.
Bonds are a lot more complex then just partner count.
How many people have you slept with? So the more you slay the less you can bond?
I'm in triple digits and I had a bond form with a women last year that's more intense then any one else before.
evileddy 8y ago
Sure.. but women that have a high partner count.. can't as well as a woman with a lower count, ya dig?
It's biology.
I've slept with enough people that sex isn't important to me at all.
You bonded last year.... where's that bond now?
Apexk9 8y ago
I had a wandering eye so she peace'd out.
Only women in my life who has ever rejected me.
And nah man its psychology as well as biology and bonding is so much more complex.
evileddy 8y ago
I agree it's more than biology.. but can you agree that a woman that's had 100's of partners.. ahem "Can't turn a ho into a housewife" ?
This message repeats in history since the dawn of man.
Apexk9 8y ago
Never know.
If a dude had 100 ho's can he become a husband? So if you sleep around you ain't good material? I've banged too many bitches but I'd make a fucking awesome life mate because it's the character I am.
Plus you won't know anyway so who gives a fuck.
I tend to judge people for their current actions and not past actions.
evileddy 8y ago
Definitely. The more sexual conquests a man has under his belt the better husband he becomes with experience.
I don't know of any women who would willingly marry a guy who is a virgin.
Past actions are a road map for future behavior.
kappy_the_kike 8y ago
this would be an awesome machine learning problem
ohsoentitled 8y ago
That would require getting the truthful number out of women and I can't see that happening :)
kappy_the_kike 8y ago
meh. an anonymous way of collecting the data would be ideal.
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The best unicorns you can fucking imagine have minimum if 7-8. Like one in 100 000. Or more. If they say they had less I simply don't believe. And I mean, is it so important anyway? Today that question lost it's meaning - it's not all of them are sluts, it's also that she will simply tell the number u want to hear.
capt_behindsight 8y ago
I still remember my first girlfriend telling me her number was 5. Five times. Well, five guys many times. Ok, 15 guys. 20 guys many times.
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quelques_heures 8y ago
And for me it's not even a high-partner count. If I'm fucking some girl, who care if she's fucked 30 other guys. That's what condoms are for.
But really it's about the hypocrisy. You hear over and over in popular culture how a man with a high partner count is a "player", a jerk, evil, etc., etc. Just another way in which to socialize betas to stay that way.
But when women have a high partner count:
"I feel fine with it. I don’t have any feelings toward it."
"it really doesn’t matter."
And what's even more infuriating is how soon as starts, almost as soon as a girl hits puberty, she's fucking her brains out, to the extent that by the time she's in college, even the most non-descript freshman could have already have slept with 10 different guys. Meanwhile guys are being shamed and ridiculed for being pussy-hounds.
It's like, get the fuck outta here!
mrrooftops 8y ago
I love how the +7 rule is now x3 rule.
Sn0man79 8y ago
5 is a common number, as are 7 and 8.
Those numbers are complete bullshit - which kinda goes without saying. I had women giving me those same numbers when I was 19, 25 and even into my early 30's. Only one (a friend) once gave me a (probably) real number, and as I recall it was 175+, which is more believable because my own number was around 100 when I was in my late twenties, and women are able to get sex a lot easier than it ever was for me.
And she wasn't even that great looking.
foldpak111 8y ago
A slut raising a child is the cruelest form of child abuse. I can't think of anything else worse that a parent could do. Male child will grow up to have no fuckin' balls and a female child will be... You guessed it.
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
obviously if you're looking for a slut, find a woman raised by one
and for the love of christ or yaweh, don't LTR any of these things
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Nature is so misogynist and clearly a part of the patriarchy.
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MrJugsMcBulge 8y ago
Christ, that's a huge range. I'd love to try that next time I get pulled over for a speeding ticket - "well officer, I was going more than 30 mph, but less than...say 70 mph." Can someone really be uncertain whether or not they've had sex with roughly 40 people? The only ways I can think of to explain that discrepancy are...
The real number is very close to 70 (if not higher...) but she's assuming that most people will split the difference between her low and high range to put her count at around 50.
changshuaidiao 8y ago
She doesn't know how to count gangbangs.
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are just BJs, handy-s, and anal a thing? I've never fucked around with a girl doing any of those things and not gotten pussy
Seishuu 8y ago
if she's on her period, or neither brought condoms, or she's younger she might be a virgin and unwilling to go straight to PIV
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She hamstering the maths too.
Husband says x3, after she says 5 count. He's absolutely right!! I'm insulted!!!
5 x 3 = 30 to 70.
frankje 8y ago
A wise man's father from the past says x3 after she says 5.
5 was her N-count at 19. So she had slept with 15 guys at 19.
And that was before her twenty-something-slut period.
EdmondDaunts 8y ago
Women use indices. So it's 5 to the power of 3 = 125.
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Don't you mean 5 to the empowered of 3 ??
EdmondDaunts 8y ago
Yes and carry the Sandberg
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foldpak111 8y ago
I'm 22 and have had the chance to bang well over 100 hotties, yet have a notch count of 3. I'm not against guys getting it in every weekend (and why would I, we're not women), but I like avoiding crazy, STDs, and western women in general.
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Entropy-7 8y ago
Up to a few years ago, I actually kept track of my bangs and their name and occupation and what they looked like. Fuck it: I am in gold-fish mode now (10 second memory).
I am in China now and I tend to believe the women who tell me they have a notch count of three (before I boned them). I have three girls in play: one is 27, the other two are in their 30s (which is more than reasonable for me since I turn 50 later this year).
The first two claimed a notch count of 3. The last one has never come out and said anything. She admits to getting laid about 6 months ago. Our running joke is that she is a "sex camel".
It's been a few years so I have no idea how bad things have become in America, other than to read the horror stories here.
cheeky_throwaway101 8y ago
Do you run your own business over there?
Entropy-7 8y ago
Right now I teach ESL but I want to make the move to get back to teaching economics or some such thing because it pays better. However I design board games in my spare time. I have one that was turned into a video game and it generates me a bit of passive income, but not enough that I could give up my day job.
A plan in the making is to develop a half a dozen more titles, generate 4 figures a month, then just work part time to keep my "green card" (or is it a "red card" for the commies?) and then design games as a full time effort.
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a white guy in china ... I imagine women are throwing themselves at you. It's well known that asian women worship white cock
Entropy-7 8y ago
Heaps are friendly but few put out because of their innate sexual conservatism or the fact that their racist family would kill them for fucking a white guy.
I teach at a high school. Jesus motherfucking Christ on a bicycle if a hundred little school girls every day get all googly-eyed and want to chat me up. However, we all know that is going nowhere.
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whatsazipper 8y ago
Don't worry about that. Chinese girls will take the risk if you're attractive enough.
Entropy-7 8y ago
They will fuck me but they will not commit.
whatsazipper 8y ago
Ah. For commitment, then it tends to depend on your profession. That's been my experience with the Chinese.
Entropy-7 8y ago
Frankly speaking, an ESL teacher is the lowest man on the totem pole. I have to up my game and teach some substantive subjects.
If you can land a corporate job with an American company at an American wage, you can slay here.
evileddy 8y ago
so 30 x 3 = 90 and 70 x 3 = 210
She's fucked 90 - 210 guys in 20 years.
RaptorFalcon 8y ago
I prefer length metrics.
90 men, avg dick is roughly 5.5 inches, that is 495 inches or 41.25 feet.
Avg woman is say 5'6" so she has taken 7.5 times her height in dick
savoryprunes 8y ago
I like that because you could make a bar graph standing her next to a tower of all those dicks stacked end-to-end - literally illustrating the amount of cock she's taken.
cheeky_throwaway101 8y ago
Fuck someone needs to make this and put it online for all the Tumblerinas to giggle over.
dking168 8y ago
That's 10.5 guys per year.
She's had sex with a different guy every month for TWENTY YEARS.
Holy fuck. That pussy is probably a wizard sleeve by now.
FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
Terrence Popp calls it an inverted windsock.
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AwryyrwA 8y ago
Incorrect. Go read up on vaginas, yah hooligan.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
This. Last LTR and I split and she goes and fucks some guy she works with. Comes back to me and tells me how much she loves me and want to get back so bad. Well shit, ok this girl must be serious. Awesome. We go to fuck and I notice her vagina had a gape to it. I'm packing slightly above average girth and know that her vagina didn't look "bent" like it did before. It hasn't been but a few weeks.
Her co-worker has a massive cock. Does sex-cam stuff. Lots of girls into him. Just like you said, they find a man with an enormous cock and share him.
Well this little dumbass couldn't handle it I bet you $100. She sounded like a bitch when she takes my dick (about as long as yours) and then she said she started crying and the guy started crying too and she came back. I dumped her when I found out.
I tried finding evidence that pussy does "expand". I've felt some loose as fuck pussy when I started attempting to hook up after that. And I noticed most of the guys slaying it (I asked them for advice) have bigger dicks than me, kind of like your 7 inch girth or 8" inchers. Holy fuck, I thought. SIZE DOES MATTER!
Don't know why everybody doesn't believe that it doesn't! Some girls can't handle it, but they'll definitely try it a few times!
perdill 8y ago
Sometimes TRP is a fuckin circle jerk.
Look at the stats for how rare 8+ is. It's less than 1% of the population for sure.
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AwryyrwA 8y ago
Everyone here is at least 10" in length and girth. We're all packing baby arms holding apples
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Two things:
Women can't measure
Doesn't change that the real bigger guys are getting the lot and they do exist.
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zue3 8y ago
What a bro, helping you weed out the sluts. I'm going to have a friend of mine do this with my potential ltrs.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Yeah man I've got 8" long (albeit less girth) and it is pretty fucking obvious who really whores around and who's just a normal chick based on that feeling of tightness or not, especially as I get deeper in there. And we're talking early 20s here.
Il128 8y ago
Yep. Only reason size matters, and it does, is because the pussy is getting bigger and bigger over time.
It's a really shitty deal for average and slightly above average guys. "He doesn't satisfy me! I had to cheat!" Well of course he doesn't you've been fucking 9 and ten inch guys packing 8 and 9 inch girths. How the fuck is any normal man going to get you off with his dick now?
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Kegels supposedly tighten the vagina
zue3 8y ago
Why put in any work when you can just shame the man's dick size?
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changshuaidiao 8y ago
How could I ever marry in this day and age? It's literally getting down your knees for one woman whose gotten down on her knees for dozens of men. If they brought something to the table that made your relationship special then I could see that, but it's absolutely insane to pay everything to buy something that up till now has been absolutely free.
DaphneDK 8y ago
Go Asian. The girl I'm with is a bit of a slut - she had one bf before. Her sister though is still a virgin. She's 27 and about to be married. When they fight, the virgin sister insults her sister by saying: you're not a virgin.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Ha! The ol' One Cock Stare! Sad, isn't it?
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
please tell me where I can find these women. I always thought asians were hot anyways.
ThrowingMyslfOutther 8y ago
I'm talking to a 33y/o virgin from Vietnam. Just because it's fascinating to talk to an intelligent woman not hopping from cock to cock. Pleasant as can be.
Spinning plates here though.
zue3 8y ago
It's a lie. The majority of them who're virgins are ugly and the hot ones have had prior relationships. Notice how op is dating the slut not the virgin? That's because the virgin is most probably hideous.
Source: Living in India and have traveled to different parts of Asia.
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prodigy2throw 8y ago
You can actually pin point the exact moment her hamster goes into overdrive.
ohsoentitled 8y ago
In this day and age, most attractive girls will have high partner counts. It shouldn't be surprising at this stage in the game that this is the case. Two points:
1) I completely agree with the notion that high partner counts results in less stable relationships later down the line. It totally makes sense, but a statement like that isn't helpful when most attractive girls do have high partner counts. Either we quit pursuing attractive girls or we ignore that fact and move on.
2) Girls with higher partner counts are often better in bed. We want girls with low partner counts, but when it comes to fucking we somehow expect it to be the most kinky, sexy and wild sex ever.
It isn't useful to consider partner count. Not many men are interested to know and their preferences are contradictory in different situations.