A story about this girl. She's fine overall, but has some baggage I would never want to deal with, because THIS is the AWALT kind of chick you want to look out for.
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Met her through another girl I met, go on a date, don't kiss her, she freaks out and idgaf because she bored me with stories about work. Month later hits me up for a party, learn that she added my buddy and started flirting and getting with him. We find out, thought it would be funny to show up together at her party (mortified her). Made out with her, also slept with her, but only after she obviously played hard to get, and only when she was so drunk that when you would hold a fire next to her exhales, she would be a fucking firebreathing dragon. In bed she was just a sack of potatoes and while we were more of a FWB, she was a giant cockblock in me getting with her guests or friends. Dump her and the entire friendgroup because it's basically a bunch of 5's who think they are 8's. Don't see them for 4 months. Suddenly I see that this chick found a beta bucks and married him within 4 months at MOST.
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Basically, she was taking every opportunity she could find, get herself pissed drunk and use that to escalate, because 35 and knock-knock, nature is calling. But can you blame her? What would you do if you are reaching the end of your fertility window? In the end you stop caring, because you want kids, +50% of marriages end up in divorce anyway so that's a matter of time, so if you are a decent men with good looks and finances, have babies with him and see if it works out, because the state is in your favor anyway.
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Her beta bucks is also a guy who looks good, probably has a good job, but doesn't put himself out there, doesn't try to pull any ladies in the bar or club, anywhere else. A really passive guy who has to rely on women to come on to him, because otherwise he wouldn't find anyone. And guess which women would come on to him? Those which are undesirable by men and not approached, so they need to do the approaching themselves.
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Work on your social skills, physique, clothing style, make friends, meet people, travel, try new things, explore life and especially don't be afraid to put yourself out there, and fail with women. They have turned down a ton of guys, she will forget your failure if you take it like a champ. Be your best self and take chances. Travis Pastrana didn't become the pro he is today without wrecking his body on a monthly basis.
cypresstalker 5y ago
Damn you just described my ass. I'm way too passive I've always counted on them coming to me.
warlordchad 5y ago
My ex-wife did this. Had a guy within two months of our separation, married him within a year of our divorce becoming official. Maybe she was fucking him on the side before, maybe not, but thank God I got out of there (I was blue pill big time).
Now she already hates him—I can tell when I drop my son off and she’s coming on to me again when BB isn’t around. AWALT. The hamster is alive and well in every woman boys. It is some fucked up shit.
FormerBlueFool 5y ago
Thanks for the report. Reading it just made me re-realise that that this could have happened to me pre-TRP. Thanks for the reminder
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tempolaca 5y ago
Sorry to give you the news but that's rape.
Marrying at 4 months, It's a typical rebound, it will crash BADLY.
Field_Of_View 5y ago
Rebound from what? Doesn't sound like she had anything serious going on before. OP is probably exaggerating what he meant to her.
Yakatonker 5y ago
Its not rape. How the fuck do people come here, read the side bar and still think that?
They don't read the side bar.
Plausible deniability for their actions.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
I agree with you that she probably intended/wanted this, but OP is showing a shocking disregard for risk/reward.
He got bad sex from an older woman he wasn't really attracted to at the risk of a potential rape (or me too) accusation. And lets be real, the police aren't going to say "well, she was old and desperate, I'll bet it was plausible deniability."
ZoroasterFlame 5y ago
Saying having drunk sex is rape is like saying having truth serum confessions is lies. Alcohol dis-inhibits you and makes you take what you want deep down, it may be sloppy and regrettable, but it's the opposite of rape.
tempolaca 5y ago
Sure man, tell that to the judge. I'm not trying to win here, we all know the drunk slut wanted the D. But that doesn't make any less a rape, legally.
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okuli 5y ago
What if a guy is more drunk than a girl? Does that mean that girl raped a guy?
Looking_4_Stacys_mom 5y ago
Not saying it is morally right, but courts consider power balances and who initiated it. E.g. 6'5 230 pound man drunk off his face has sex with a women who is 4'11 and also drunk.
It is highly unlikely she raped him, albeit plausible, but the power balance is at play
g0dfather93 5y ago
It's not as simple as "whoever has the lower BAC is titled the rapist." Definition of rape centers around consent. If a person is incapable of giving consent being mentally incapacitated due to alcohol, unless there's some concrete written or video proof of consent before becoming incapable of consent, the other person is legally charged with rape. In many countries, the former can only be a woman - i.e., a man cannot be raped as per the law, only a woman can be a rape victim. Assuming we're not in one of those jurisdictions, if the guy was indeed black-out drunk, or in a drugged state, then yes the girl will be charged with rape.
If both persons are shit-faced drunk, things do get tricky and dirty. Whoever reports becomes the victim and the onus of proving innocence falls on the other. Subjective things like witnesses, testimonies and background evidence proving intent become much more important, as the statements of both parties become unreliable by definition. If a clear perpetrator is identified, but it is established he/she too was in a seriously drunk/drugged state, they might get a sentence on the lighter side on the grounds that crime was one of impulse and not intent.
IntensePancakes 5y ago
When both people are drunk it is a case by case basis. In this case, even if OP was drunk (which I doubt) he was clearly sober enough to see that she was FUCKED up. Rape? Who knows. A seriously despicable thing to do? Definitely.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Full of shit.
A LOT of people enjoy fucking while they are super drunk.
chazthundergut 5y ago
Good for her! You had your turn, you dicked her down, and now she has found a true gentleman who will love her through her "I have a headache and I'm not in the mood" years.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Hey! If he doesn't accept her at her worst, he doesn't deserve her at her best!
ozaku7 5y ago
Yeah she has pulled that on me the first time I initiated. Ok Ms. HardToGet, I know what you're playing. Gave it a little patience and it happened by itself the next time.
AshyLarry27 5y ago
Wow, in her 30's? Just in time.
Good for her!
Take that, you skeptical and concerned family and friends that are always telling her to clean her fucking self up and act like a goddamn proper lady.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Just in time? The bitch is at least 5 years late.
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Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
It’s possible she rushed a relationship that hard, but I doubt it. Women take waaaaay longer than that just to make their perfect wedding they’d been dreaming of forever actually happen. You were probably the guy she was fucking on the side
Auvergnat 5y ago
You’ve clearly never lived a day in the brain of a woman hitting the wall and freaking out at her decreased capability to attract guys and secure a good provider. I’ve met women getting married or a “oopsie baby” in much less time than that.
exit_sandman 5y ago
At some point the desire to get married trumps the desire to have the perfect wedding. A friend of a friend of mine married four weeks before her 30th birthday (only to get divorced 7 years or so later) - while I don't know how long she was with her BF at the time, I strongly doubt that this has been the dream wedding she had planned for a long time.
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GreetMufasa 5y ago
I study in a country thats difficult to get a job if you are a foreigner, most girls date thugs for four years here some even get engaged with them. Everyone here knows that in her last semester she cleans up her IG, after 3 months back home she'll be engaged and pregnant, big ceremony weeks after she shows off her $500 ring on IG.
warlordchad 5y ago
Hmmm... I believe the man’s story. Maybe so, but hamstering can cause women to pull that trigger REAL fast. Plus they know the law is on their side. Remember this guys: 70% of divorces are initiated by women, which means that given 50% fail, you have a 35% chance of being divorced through no fault or choice of your own if you get married.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
I never understand this logic. It's pretty much accepted on TRP that women want a top 10-20% man.
So, those 70% of divorces initiated by women? I'll bet most of them married a dude who let himself go and is unattractive in many ways (physically, emotionally, etc). And, bonus, she gets half his shit and alimony going forward.
This doesn't mean I agree with the way the courts handle divorce (I don't), but to say "through no fault or choice of your own" ignores the fact that many of these men aren't taking care of their business.
Theyllneverkn0w 5y ago
What if she had planned the wedding from the time she was 18? If this guy is as passive as OP says he is he probably just went with whatever she said regarding the wedding.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 5y ago
I can imagine she has a wedding scrapbook that she whipped out from under her bed once she has found her BB.
CopperFox3c 5y ago
One day, when you're further along as a grown man (versed in TRP) into your 30's and 40's, you will look back at the women you've know along the way and think: Shit I seriously dodged some bullets
Nothing puts things in perspective than seeing how the thing that was once prized decays with time. And how silly are our longing desires for impermanent things that are bound to wither. Enjoy your time with them, but realize they can never be truly yours. Only your turn.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
Agreed. You want to cure yourself of lusting after women or committing to them? Go take a look at a bunch of smelly decrepit old ladies and realize that all sweet young things eventually turn into them. At the very best, you may get one that will remain like a Jane Fonda or a Sophia Loren for a period of years, but even they succumb. We all do. But we don't smell as much of rotting fish, if you know what I mean, though probably bad in our own way.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
+1
For sure.
Story time. Had a guy I knew in High School that was banging, literally, the hottest girl there. Obviously I'm sure she was someone else's #5 or whatever, but I was jelly for sure.
They never got married, but had a kid and everything unwound from there. He ended up getting arrested for some serious, but stupid behavior, got 2 years and of course when he was gone she started dating.
He ended up going so mental that she was cool with him just leaving.
I looked her up and oof. We talked about woman issues and well, he was pretty happy on how it shook out. Said his kid was starting to reach out to him on Facebook now. He was dating a hot older woman and recently just dumped her and moved on again. His view of the matter is he knows there's someone around the corner.
That's when it clicked for me, just like you. Women aren't worth that level of concern, and not only that, kids probably aren't what you guys think (I have a gaggle).
Ultimately you learn the whole thing was an illusion to trick you into being a good little worker bee for her. Accept your disposability, fall into the government's frame etc.
You get into something serious if you're ready to accept it was over before you guys said your "I love yous" and you're prepared to enforce your boundaries and throw her out of the bar when you guys are done drinking.
reversec 5y ago
fucking true
Sad_Sleeper 5y ago
Shit i dodged some serious bullet this year from a 29 yo girl. Just before the wall. Well she decided to ditch me for her best male friend.
That was one cannonball dodged.
TheyCallMeAdonis 5y ago
does this "its only your turn" bullshit not implicitly admit that you will always be a looser since you can never have the same selecetive pressure over the woman as she has over you ?
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i have never understood this but maybe someone here will have the courtesy to enlighten me....
daymi 5y ago
I think it can also mean that my turn is limited because I will get tired of her. In any adoration, there are only two things that can happen: I disappear, or it disappears. There are no other options.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
It's simply an admission of reality. It doesn't have any commentary on men at all. It simply states the truth, men compete, women select.
Blackhawk2479 5y ago
It’s more an acknowledgement of the fact that in this day and age of instant gratification and dopamine-hits-on-demand, on a long enough timeline your chances of staying with one girl for the rest of your life soon reach zero.
It doesn’t matter if you’re chad, if you’re top 20% and have everything on point, all it takes is the right other guy in the right circumstances and you’re essentially dead to her.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
Exactly. There are numerous stories of dudes who are in the Top 5-10% not 20% (rich, handsome celebrities) who get cheated on or dumped for some dude. The funny is that many times, the chick cheated or left that high value dude for someone who is nowhere near as good.
dani098 5y ago
“Shit I seriously die some bullets” I’m 35 and I have said that shit several times. God damn
Thisismybot8 5y ago
I'm okay to take the downvotes but I need to ask, do you guys know how to vet women? Or is that a post people need to see on here?
BewareTheOldMan 5y ago
Vetting women in the 21st Century is a complex process, but if I had to trim it to four of five steps I'd go with the following:
-Ensure your attraction and general interest, but even more important is her genuine attraction and interest to you as a prospective mate; it's pointless if she's not focused only on you
-Ensure high compatibility - e.g. shared values, shared goals and life interests; it doesn't have to be 100 percent, but 80 to 85 percent is good compatibility
-Ensure outstanding wife skills with CONFIRMED and demonstrated capabilities; do NOT compromise on this issue
-Ensure exceptional mothering skills, capabilities, and potential for continual improvement; again - NO COMPROMISE...as no child deserves a bad mother
-Do NOT tolerate disrespect, disloyalty (infidelity), or disruption to your life...the Three Ds
Married Red Pill (MRP) might offer more information and advice, but keep in mind most of those guys are already married...presumably having found their so-called unicorn. MRP also advises men with marital issues as well, so the forum might be of assistance.
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Thisismybot8 5y ago
Thanks for the reply. I decided to write up a post last night if you want to add to the discussion over there as well.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Dont care much about vetting as fucking in here.
Vetting is if you want to have kids. Not a popular topic, despite the fact redpilled are what western civilization desperately needs to be reproducing right now.
dani098 5y ago
I’m not really the best person to answer this question but it’s definitely a good question. I have to say in the passage is going off my good feeling and got lucky enough to look back and see that I had made a proper decision after seeing what was in these women’s lives afterwards
SoMetalDude 5y ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwbKYcBdVyk
markinsinz7 5y ago
Idk man I would rather take all those crazy bullets and adventures and dumb sex in my formative year (20s) than go around around trying to fuck young hotties in my late 30s and 40s.
Again point is some experience even if crazy is better than none at all
yomo86 5y ago
True but crazy today is not crazy like it was for dad or grandpa. Thrown and broken plates in a LTR or FWB are humorsely understandable and reasonable when thos relationships go south. Today you getted pegged with Tyrones and Chads spawn, child support, accussations of violence and abuse and frankly any fucked up shit a no-consequences bound psychopath can come up with.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
Why not have both? Just because you took some crazy bullets, doesn't mean you can't fuck young hotties in your 30s and 40s.
markinsinz7 5y ago
Dude I'm speaking based on the experience of the rest of the guys who don't get laid or haven't had girlfriends. I haven't met them but I'm kinda one if them and shockingly you'd say I'm decent attractive but circumstances and my shitty habits caused a downward spiral. Similarly I belive there's a lot of guys out there who have now started improving (like me) but it's insanely hard when your at ground 0.
Point being that something is better than nothing in your 20s. Rather than practically nothing in 20s but hotties in your 30s n 40s.
Sex is sex but this is the forming crisis all over where more n more guys are becoming incels day by day. (Don't get me wrong though I have no limiting self beliefs I have seen a lot of shit ton of avg Joe's have decent looking gfs who don't go to bars and shit, life's a strange thing - circumstances. .....)
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
Oh ok. Just keep hitting the gym to get in shape, maybe consider growing a beard and keeping it well groomed. I would consider myself good looking, but I feel like a beard has enhanced my looks and make me look better. Also much more fun having a beard than shaving your face everyday.
Make sure to stay on top of grooming and stay hydrated. I keep myself in great shape, so I know what works and what doesn't. Cut out sugary foods and drinks. Even though I have been called handsome, I know it's not the easiest to get laid out there. Take some good photos of yourself and get on Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, etc.
Ricardo2991 5y ago
Don't sleep with girls who are that drunk... Unless you want problems bro. All kinds of things wrong with that. Guy may be bb to her, but nothing makes him sound bad. Some guys can stay without being aggressive... I've been approached by 9s before... You just have to put yourself in position or be blessed...which takes a lot more work than gaming drunk chicks.
medi3val6 5y ago
Yep. He's just asking to be "me too'd."
IntensePancakes 5y ago
Lol wait a minute. Are you trying to make fun of the other guy for being high value and having girls approach him? Wtf? Just because hot girls never approach you doesn't mean they don't approach anyone.
exit_sandman 5y ago
The problem with depending on girls approaching you is that it's nigh-exclusively the sort of woman who can't passively attract the caliber of man she wants. Sure, every now and then you have a woman who likes introverted nerds and therefore is used to be more proactive; but in general if you have a woman hitting on you and/or making the dating process very easy for you, there's a 95% chance you could do better if you were doing the approaching yourself.
massifthrowaway 5y ago
This is seriously some of the most asinine drivel I’ve ever read and it currently has 44 upvotes. My word.
g0dfather93 5y ago
Huh? Why do I sense you're bragging about that? That's all kinds of wrong, and if someone was clicking pics/vids, it can land you in jail and tag you as a sex offender for life. Please, do not bang back-out drunk chicks unless you're equally black-out drunk (i.e., you too genuinely do not have recollection what the fuck happened, and even then you'll need a good lawyer to fight for you). If you are conscious and she is not, legally it is rape, case closed. Law doesn't care if that's her MO, kink, or she was coming on to you like crazy before or after being drunk - you will be the rapist. I hope you wisen up.
Opioidus 5y ago
Shitty post that reeks of bitterness, the girl doesn't sound all that bad, what are we supposed to learn from your post, that all women want to marry? All women are like what in this particular case? Is premarital sex now considered haram?
She has all the signs of a somewhat decent girl, she plays hard to get(good), doesn't fuck you on the first date(10 plus points), has to get piss drunk to fuck you(means she still has lots of inhibition at 35, which renders her a saint practically!), doesn't act like a pornstar in bed(again, very rare and very attractive to an actual man), is actively looking for marriage from the sound of it. Sounds like she dodged a bullet with you, I hope she has a happy marriage.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Well, she does sounds pretty bad, but OP still seems to be butthurt that she didn't put out easier.
ozaku7 5y ago
It's the fact that she was chasing hardcore around to find someone to pin him down. It was supposed to start as FWB, then it started getting more serious without me wanting that, and obviously played a game to get what she wanted. Then she found this guy. I'm happy for her, but I'm just glad I'm not that BB because I doubt whether she actually really likes him, or just settles because the ovaries are knocking.
nebder 5y ago
So let me get this straight
All Women Are Like That cuz this broken drunk chick got married? Are you mad she dumped you? Connect the dots for me, I don’t see where you’re going here.
Regarding point 1, what does that say about you and your value system?
Edit: fr man no shit tests no posturing. I’m asking you straight up.
MrInterpreted 5y ago
Man was desperate and raped a drunk chick. Then when he got rejected he called her a 5. This is neckbeard fantasy 101
SICFJC 5y ago
Just because she was drunk doesn't mean it's rape .
nebder 5y ago
Nah rapes not the right word here
IntensePancakes 5y ago
Call it what you want, he clearly took advantage of a blackout drunk girl. That’s a scummy thing to do no matter what. Says a lot about what kind of person OP is.
Wolveryn 5y ago
She took advantage of him, bet he was drunk too
ozaku7 5y ago
Who took advantage of who, she started the whole thing, I just stood there and she did all the work. It's on herself.
Looking_4_Stacys_mom 5y ago
We obviously do not know the full context of the story. It is plausible that she wanted to before hand, especially if they have slept together before.
If it was their first time together, it is possible that she was taken advantage of and because of it, she rejected his further advances.
All speculation but only OP knows what really happened and even if he said she consented, we would call him a liar. It's a lose lose really
IntensePancakes 5y ago
Obviously we will never know the whole story. I'm not trying to say it for sure wasn't consensual, but even if OP was drunk he was at least sober enough to know that she was insanely drunk. Overall the scenario just lines up with what OP's post makes his character out to be. He seems to be just kind of a scummy, low value dude who is trying to use RP principles to rationalize getting rejected.
TheGillos 5y ago
TIL I've been raped by women multiple times.
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
How do you get raped by women? I am curious. Did they drug and tie you to a pipe or somehow outpower you?
Edit: Dudes I don't give a fuck about downvotes. I simply asked a question without any sarcasm.
TheGillos 5y ago
They had sex with me while I was very drunk.
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
So, did you sue them? what did you do?
Edit: if rape is inevidable, try to get some joy out of it. -Turkish Proverb
Pestilence1911 5y ago
I had one tip the bottle up when i was drinking, chugged 1/4 of it, then she took it from me, pulled down my pants and put my dick in her mouth and mounted me.
I was too drunk, but after a while i did push her off and stumble upstairs.
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ZoroasterFlame 5y ago
I lend his word more credence than this. You weren't there, but just use your imagination. Some girls flirt real hard.
Ceeda 5y ago
Had some similar shit happen to me lol. I stopped fucking her then I find out a year later she’s married with a baby. The baby might be mine cause the eyes match mine but not his.
ozaku7 5y ago
Hah, you just cucked some guy.
Ceeda 5y ago
Especially since the last time we fucked i nutted raw lmfao
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