Essay here: http://www.wsusignpost.com/2014/08/28/8-bit-conversations-is-she-the-right-gamer-girl-for-you/
Gamer Girl-World
It’s really entertaining to see these guys try to outdo each other when a girl enters that nerd space with even the resemblance of an interest in something nerd related. That glimmer of interest is like throwing a starving man a cracker in the desert most times, and the more conventionally beautiful and sexy she is the greater the effort, or the greater the default despair is for them.
I’ve covered male idealism in a generic sense before, however that idealism (the unhealthy kind) when put in the context of a noble nerd’s fantasy girl – who shares his passions, is considerate of his borderline autism and appreciates his non-patriarchal deference to her – she either becomes something he obsesses over (severe ONEits) or she represents the despair that only an unreachable dream can stir in a man.
That said, semi-attractive gamer girls do exist (nothing more than an HB 7.5 by my reckoning), but most fall into the demographic of ostracized weird girl or semi-goth, fuscia-haired outcast who never clicked with the in-group girls in high school.
Nerd culture represents an environment where a girl’s otherness makes them a prized commodity. Girls who find nerd/gamer culture either on their own or via their ‘cool nerd’ (see Emo-Goth) boyfriend soon discover a social subset whose males pedestalize to an even greater degree than the prissy in-group bitch girls who ostracized them enjoy from men. In fact that pedestalization, that identification, that default deference and autonomous sublimation to the feminine is integral to the nerd culture. So when you combine a gamer girl’s nerd-niche SMP dominance with the overblown pedestalizing most nerds will elevate them to, it recreates gamer girls in the contextual likeness of the in-group girls they despised and never got along with.
Most top shelf gamer girls tend to hook up with the elite, usually Emo, guys in the subculture. The exact same intersexual dynamics remain, but the context changes. All of the fundamental aspects of Hypergamy and social ego inflation remain, but now within a domain dependent environment they can finally exercise their sexual strategies in ways they never could in the social set they’ve been cut away from.
Dustin_Bromain 9y ago
In addition, women have turned Comic-con conventions into a fucking nightmare. It used to be that comic con was populated only by your nerdy basement dwellers and casual comic book enthusiasts. Now with "nerd culture" becoming more mainstream, comic con has become swarmed with attention-seeking women wearing the skimpiest outfits commercially available. It's like Halloween all over again for these women; they absolutely love dressing up for the beta validation that gets dumped on them. And to make matters worse, they've got betas running around with camera crews interviewing the hottest ones and making them feellllllll speciallllll. Ugh. Can't stand it.
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Rollo-Tomassi 9y ago
http://therationalmale.com/2014/06/03/male-space/
Overseers in the Locker Room
The second purpose in the goal of female inclusion into male space is really a policing of the thought dynamics and attitudes of the men in that space. When women are allowed access to the locker room the dynamic of the locker room changes. The locker room can take many different shapes: the workplace environment, the sports team, the group of all-male coders, the primarily male scientific community, the ‘boys club’, the group of gamer nerds at the local game store, even strip clubs and the sanctuary you think your ‘man cave’ is – the context is one of women inserting themselves into male space in order to enforce the dictates of feminine social primacy.
When the influence of feminine-primacy is introduced into social settings made up mainly by men and male-interests, the dynamics and purpose of that group changes. The purpose becomes less about the endeavor itself and more about adherence to the feminine-inclusionary aspect of that endeavor. It starts to become less about being the best or most passionate at what they do, and more about being acceptable to the influence of the Feminine Imperative while attempting maintaining the former level of interest in the endeavor.
Men unaccustomed to having women in their midst generally react in two ways; According to their proper feminized conditioning, they embrace the opportunity to impress these ‘trailblazing’ women (hoping to be found worthy of intimacy) with their enthusiastic acceptance of, and identification with, their feminine overseer(s), or they become easy foils of an “out moded” way of thinking that the new ‘in-group’ happily labels them with.
Once the feminine-primary in-group dynamic is established a ‘feminine correct’ social frame follows. This feminine correction restructures the priorities of goals, and validates any accomplishments, in terms of how they reflect upon the feminine as a whole. Thus any in-group success is perceived as a feminine success in male space, while in-group failures or simple mediocrity is either dismissed entirely or blamed on out-group men’s failure to comply with, or the rejection of, the Feminine Imperative’s ‘correcting’ influence on the in-group.
Ducksfornipples2 9y ago
how does one capitalize on cons and pick up hot cosplay girls?
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neoj8888 9y ago
I can't stand nerd culture period. It's like taking high school jock culture, multiplying it to create swarms, and then muting all aggression while amping the passive aggression. They all think they're brilliant because that's what being a nerd is associated with, but most of them are the stupidest fucks you'll ever hear speak. More like dork culture.
foldpak111 9y ago
They'll use a couple big words without doing the hours upon hours of research to become brilliant.
bsutansalt 9y ago
This is an outstanding example of how men pioneer, and once something becomes "safe" or accpeted, THEN the women flood the market. Meanwhile when those very same nerds were doing the pioneering part they were ridiculed and shamed as losers. Their irony knows no bounds.
Relevant:
https://archive.is/DAbfz
/r/TheRedPill/comments/17gxl6/the_soft_shutdown_and_how_it_relates_to_gaming/
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SwagYoloJesus 9y ago
Maybe because they were losers all along, and still are? What's all this calling nerdy-ass gatherings of waifu-hugging gentlesirs pioneering? What the fuck is wrong with you? Virgin neckbeard conventions pioneered shit.
They most definitely did not make enthusiastic convention-attending more socially accepted than before, it's just that now women recognize that obviously a meetup of thirsty-ass betas is the place to garner attention. They simply want to reap all the attention and validation as easily as possible.
Don't read more into this than what it is, which is women looking for the most low-effort way to validation. The notion of "men pioneer, women follow" is very valid in most walks of life, but damn, was this a horrible example.
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Other men, alphas, figured out how to monetize the loser hordes and in doing so, saw they could bring women in as part of monetizing the hordes as more women, and thus more men, would attend these events.
I went to Megacon once with some friends back in college. I never need to go to another one ever again. My wife and her best friend dragged me to a Steampunk gathering and I was fucking miserable. I can't remember the last time I went to a gun show, at least that's more of a shopping experience (or at least helps you figure out what you might want, and the beef jerky tends to be good).
Betas are ridiculous and best monetized for the benefit of others.
Fuck_shadow_bans 9y ago
You know, it took me a long time to realize why I hated con cosplayers so much. I get that women act sexy for attention, and hell, maybe some of them actually know who the fuck they are dressed as. But it always annoyed me that those girls were 100% fine with attention whoring to men that they would never in a million years consider sleeping with. When your average club scene slut goes out, she may not be interested in YOU but chances are she is willing to put out for at least SOMEone there that night. At the cons, its not a reciprocal thing at all. They go there knowing that they will get put on these goddess pedestals, and that's why they do it.
It still kind of infuriates me because deep down there is still a part of me that I haven't managed to kill yet that wants it to be true.
Rollo-Tomassi 9y ago
It's a special hell for Beta nerds. In fact it's a lot like a socially immersive strip club where they can look but never touch the stripper. They presume some identified kinship or sexual facility with the sexy stripper dressed up in a Sailor Moon outfit, but they're teased in a very devious and manipulative way by the attention whore appealing to the lowest hanging fruit.
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My high dollar hooker (Dominatrix) friend found she could boost her waning value by getting into cosplay at 31 (she's a full-time personal trainer and she does bodybuilding competitions and does well). She found a bunch of beta nerds willing to shell out five hundred bucks a month to spend four hours with her (other men in the past paid one thousand dollars a month for ten hours with her).
She's now making more money and it's ridiculous. She almost abandoned all of her current client list by telling them she's HIV positive (a lie), so now there are still a few guys doing pegging and spanking sessions with her.
Fuck_shadow_bans 9y ago
Indeed it is. I'm glad I no longer have a desire to be a part of that world.
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Alpacash 9y ago
I know girls who make amazing cosplay and I know for a fact that they are not doing it for the attention.
Swoledinger 9y ago
That's quite a bit of a logic feedback loop. If they were not doing for attention, you would never know about it. The fact you know about it means they do it for attention.
Fuck_shadow_bans 9y ago
Do you mean sexual attention? Because if you are actually implying that people design costumes and wear them in public to NOT BE NOTICED AT ALL I would have to call you crazy.
Faghomo 9y ago
Some of my female friends design cosplay oufits that they never actually wear in public.
Fuck_shadow_bans 9y ago
So....they don't actually fit the description, do they?
[deleted] 9y ago
I enjoy comic conventions, they're pretty well rounded. Anime conventions are the fucking worst.
I've been to one, never again.
It's like /r/cringe but IRL. The furries, the swarms of creepy guys surrounding the few attractive girls there. Such a strange atmosphere.
sassypaella 9y ago
The good thing about it? You are the 1%. Last anime covention I was in, I literally grabbed the hand of a girl who was talking with some losers and took her with me. If you are decent-looking, groomed and show some confidence and manners, you are fishing in a barrel.
That said, it's sad how it has been corrupted. Years ago I used to go there with some friends just to have fun. Now it's a parade of pussies and some merch stands.
toneroma 9y ago
Yeaaaah, I went to one anime convention (Sac-anime) and should probably do that again. It was almost too easy. I was a tall, attractive blond in a Seifer Almasy costume. Women of all shapes and sizes were vying for my attention and pictures with me, and the second day scored me an autograph from Johnny Yong Bosch and my first threesome.
The thing was, I was fortunately at a point in my life where I really didn't give a shit about the crazy girls running around desperately seeking attention, and I think I projected that well. An easy fallback when groups would ask to take pictures with me was to tell them that I was on my way somewhere, and if they wanted pictures they had to follow me.
I wasn't giving in to their shit, and they knew it. I had a bit of preselection provided by the fact that I went there with a plate who was a solid 8 dressed as Rinoa and was with me approx. half the time, and was also the one who made the threesome happen.
Anime convention girls are insane, is my point. Over-the-top attention seekers are the easiest to bed if you know how to deal with the. Totally worth it, and fun if you know how to have fun.
Ducksfornipples2 9y ago
how do you seduce an anime con girl? you should write a guide
[deleted] 9y ago
That's literally the single one I've been to. Small world haha
noaydi 9y ago
I'm so loser that girl even prefer the anime loser to me
[deleted] 9y ago
You and me both.
Never went to a convention, but I know I'm not going far with a female there.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Well, my boner is gone.
Thanks for informing me on this.
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vengefully_yours 9y ago
It's hilarious what happens when a relatively cute girl joins a first person shooter group. Everyone humps her leg. I piss her off. They try to get her to like them, I irritate her. Over the winter I've been waiting for the weather to warm up so I can get back to my hobbies outside, so I game in the evenings. There's a 19 year old girl that had been doing exactly this shit. She is kinda cute, very small, thin, and lots of makeup. Well she had been trying to find out more about me. Wanted to see what I look like on my Facebook, but there's no pic of me on there. She's been flirting with me to see if I will do the same shit the betas who game constantly do. She is 1000 miles away, so it's not like I have plans to go fuck her, but I can have lots of fun messing with her mind. Damn they kiss her ass,it's most amusing to me. Shit is coming to an end, it's warming up and I need to get back to the business at hand.
max_peenor 9y ago
Yeah, I play that for real. That is, I join groups of men, typically 10 to 50 at a time, and gear up and go on long patrols through some of the roughest terrain in the western US. A lot of us are vets, some are just looking for the challenge, but everyone is in for a brutal experience. We play along with the military aspects of it, mostly for the giggles, but sometimes we will get some kids that fancy themselves future Rangers or something, and we want to give them a taste of the shit before they buy the sandwich. Being relatively senior, I end up in command more often than not, and I have no problem kicking their asses.
So... one outing someone bought a woman. Dear god, it was like they handed out pin on vaginas for the troops, because they all started acting like pretty princesses. Oh, you're tired? Shut the fuck up. Oh, it's hot? Yeah, it's a desert, sunshine, get fucking moving. You are hurting from taking the extra water packs? Find a rock to go die under. These are men, hard men, that would NEVER act like when we didn't have our special princess with us. And why were they doing this? No, they weren't any weaker than before. They were trying to show they cared about her suffering. Oh, and she was suffering. Bad. But being that tough, new world-GRRL, she was doing everything she could not to give up. They were doing everything they could to prove they were her special and unique white knight. My second and I were doing everything we could to keep the shit-show moving, which involved getting up in everyeone's shit constantly, like they were 5 year olds or something.
So, my conclusions?
[deleted] 9y ago
how did she get to your facebook? you met her in a multiplayer room or...?
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Teamspeak. She sent me a link to hers.
[deleted] 9y ago
How come this guy isn't kissing my ass?
Works every time.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Friend of mine got some personal vids from a girl we met playing league because he did basically what you did. She eventually wanted to fly out and meet him.
Went 0-100 real quick. She bought the ticket before even telling him.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Game works, even with gamer girls.
yomo86 9y ago
The nerd culture was a male-space only. Much like cigar clubs, Skulls and Bones, The Freemasons, your local group of hobby mechanics or the golf club full of MDs. But gamer culture was shunned and seen as the habitat of the social awkwardness itself. To a degree due to escapism this is true.
However, like the old male-spaces gamer culture gained track without influence of women. Even though they were shunned, the gaming/personal computer industry made billions of dollars - even in the 90s.
So they got power, they were desperate for female attention this is the best way to attract female leeches. And furthermore when someone said you are a nerd: the nerd basically did not reply and went on playing video games. Thus being abundent and slowly changing the tune from: whoa you play VG you are a nerd. To: Dude, why haven't you played GTA V already?
While the "old boys clubs" drowned in pussy cause they recruited themselves from alphas or wealthy betas, gamer culture did not.
This picture illustrates this properly: http://imgur.com/gallery/yYwsTc1
Eugenics2015 9y ago
I used to post on the league of legends forums. Most of those guys are red imo.
It was damn near a manosphere site.
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One thing I've observed about these gamer grills - is that they profess to be averse to the male aesthetic workout body type of guy - but that's not really the case.
If you are conventionally attractive masculine man - they will throw up the wall to insulate themselves from the assumed rejection they think you'll hand them. If you neg them its counter productive mostly, because it just serves to feed into their bias and they get hurt and depressive.
The best way to handle gamer grills is to friendzone them. Be nice and smile and give them a tiny little taste of your version of what Roosh calls "clown game". Don't over do it. Give them just a little flirtatious attention, but bookend it with matter of fact aloofness marked with a pleasant demeanor. If you throw hard game at them right away, they might recoil because they'll assume themselves unworthy for anything other than a quick easy fuck. Most of them already have complexes about "hot guys" and if your behavior matches any patterned stereotype they've already obsessed over to the point of neurosis, they'll be tempted to shoot you down and see it as a personal victory.
The reality is the "hot guy" is their fantasy male and they really want him. The problem is they've conditioned themselves into seeing him as unattainable and hamstered themselves into a total sour grapes mindset.
The really attractive guy is a douche, so I don't want him anyway
By friendzoning them you send them the "Hey I'm actually a regular person" message. They get to see some of your "true" personality and the wall drops. You get into a couple of one on one situations (studying, coffee, work-related, etc...) and be fun as hell, but don't make the pass other than flashing them the eyes a little. It drives them crazy and they fall hard.
Transitioning from this to physical intimacy is a little tricky, because it has to come off as something spontaneous and unplanned - result of happenstance and chemistry - but smarter players shouldn't find this to be a problem. The reward, however, will be a zero-to-light speed acceleration with a very eager little freak practically attacking you with pussy. Good times.
I've done this a few times. It works like a charm. One thing to remember is - in a sea of loser dudes orbiting them - don't be another dude orbiting them. You totally can and should game other chicks - even in front of them - prior to the pivot move, because it plays very well as a pre-selection qualifier. You become the hot guy who is cool to them that they can't have - up until the point where you let them have you and bang them out.
Some disclaimer warnings when running this game:
If you get a HB7.5 gamer grill giving you the sexual freak show and treating you like a prince because she's fallen hardcore in love with your ass you will be extremely tempted to girlfriend her. The obvious downside is monogamy - but beyond that most of these chicks do have some sort of emotional baggage that will eventually surface (exit strategy?). This game can broadly apply to most low self esteem / disaffected chick types - goth, metal, feminists (it goes without saying be extra careful with these loonies), gamer grills, emos, nerdy girls, what-have-you.... Your mileage may vary with "emotional baggage" - can range from weird rom-com type quirks to full blown personality disordered malignancy. If you end up with the latter as they say on reddit you will have a bad time.
LOL Exercise with caution.
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
"Clown game" is incredibly accurate word for this. You've nailed the exact description of these girls.
The only think I'll add is if you do LTR these girls, I've found that dropping a hint to break up with them sends them into sexual nymph over-drive. They have such a low self esteem. It's a double-edged sword because of that, they are HIGHLY receptive to other dudes hitting on them and trying to hook up with them.
Plate material only, but if you want to reap the sexual benefits, make it a short-term relationship with high dread starting out from low-to-no dread at all.
It's like boiling a lobster.
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These types of girls haven't changed since I was in high school. They are fun to play with, but most often not LTR material.
I have seen some chicks reel dudes in by turning on this domestic super power that some men are totally weak to. A few of my friends got caught up in this. Can't say I blame them really. Girl starts coming over cleaning your entire house, washing your clothes even folding them and putting them away, cooking you delicious food and then fucking the shit out of you like Jenna Jameson in her prime - you start to want that shit all the time. LOL Sneaky bitches preying upon our weaknesses.
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Depends if they have troublesome levels of poor self esteem or not. As was previously mentioned in this thread, if you pluck a diamond out of the rough and all of a sudden other dudes notice how hot she is sans the bad gear, bad hairstyle, bad makeup - she won't have a single clue how to deal with the attention and likely will become easy prey for other players.
"Good Girls" have self respect and decent levels of self esteem. If they're willing to take care of you like I described and be that good woman - then yeah maybe they are worthy of being taken care of by you. A good relationship is mutually beneficial. Make no mistake, they wouldn't put forth the effort unless you give them the tingles and represent a lifestyle that is attractive to them.
Ultimately, its all about you and what you want. Are you after a LTR? Don't be in such a rush. Take your time. Make sure you find the right one, while also making sure you're ready to handle that kind of commitment - and I'm talking about marriage and family. If that isn't your goal, then don't even flirt with the flame. Keep them at a safe distance.
okiedokie321 8y ago
I see. Thanks.
So it appears to me the girls with poor self-esteem (some of which are gamer grills) and those girls with high self-esteem (social media attention seeking) are ones that we can play with, but ultimately avoid in the long term. For LTR, what we seek are girls in the middle of that spectrum. Correct?
For me, it's a bit difficult to differentiate the girls with poor self-esteem, because not all of them bad gear, hair, or makeup.
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
"Stay away from her. She's a predator posed as a house pet." - Tyler Durden, Fight Club
FakeGuru 9y ago
It is a pretty common for a certain type of female to join an activity where most of the participants are socially maladjusted males.
The female gets huge amounts of attention and has some deniability as she is there ostensibly for the activity, not to meet these nerds.
To the nerds, this creature (who will be no great beauty), will be their idea of the perfect woman.
The odds are against them succeeding with this female, though, and the nerd goddess will usually move on when she has established a better social life for herself.
nebojssha 9y ago
There are some RP in this, but honestly, sounds like OP knows about gamer culture and subset females only from porn.
[deleted] 9y ago
The hell?
Anyway, what do you guys think about cosplayers? Is that also a method for attracting higher value mates (which i never seen them display, since the orbiter horde they have on social media needs to maintain their illusion of pure innocent girl) at conventions and stuff? Or just feeding their histrionic stomach?
F_Dingo 9y ago
I've had a few "gamer girls" come into my gaming group over the past few years.
Literally everytime (without fail) one guy in my group goes full on white knight, defends everything the bitch does, tolerates zero criticism of the woman and ultimately creates a divide in the group.
One time I was criticizing a "gamer girl" that had come into the group, 30 minutes after I leave to go to bed I'm getting blown up with text messages in the group chat from the white knight about how I'm some big asshole etc etc I made the woman cry etc etc.
The weirdest shit about this phenomena is once gamer girl leaves everything goes back to normal. No more friction, no more white knighting, nothing. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.
chaseemall 9y ago
This is true for subcultures in general and can be played to your advantage if you wish.
Take the metal scene for example.
You'll find if you are in a metal show, or a small hardcore show, or especially in a small house show, that the remotely pretty girls get FAR more attention than they usually would. They're usually with the guys in the more respected bands. They're usually with the guys that look decent and people like to mosh to their music, and frankly those guys (much as it galls me to say it) don't suck.
Generally the more skilled guys get the prettier girls. It is a strange sort of sexual meritocracy.
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Funny you mention metal shows.
Years ago pre RP days I dated a "metal" chick and she put way too much into trying to be legit. Time went on, things didn't feel quite right (suspected cheating).
Dug up old posts from a metal forum she went to a year or two before we met. It was in a thread about a children of bodom show in a tiny venue in the south (early 00s). People posted pics and she could be seen in one of them and a few people immediately started complaining about "the slut" that kept trying to dominate Alexis attention and trying to obviously hook up with him after the ahow. Complete strangers with nothing to gain and just got sick of it.
Should have been my "ah ha" moment but yeah I was pretty fucking stupid. Didn't place enough importance of that find as I should.
But yeah she was fucking exactly like a metal gamer girl. Her taste in metal was actually pretty shitty, had friends expose me to much better stuff than she was into.
B_Rawb 9y ago
That's very true, guys in the popular bands do get a ton of girls, but don't forget how physical the mosh pits are. In hardcore girls are attracted to the tough guys who punch people or mosh the hardest.
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Females need to cultivate their femininity just as men cultivate their masculinity. Which is what TRP and the sister subs are for.
Winning the genetic lottery is not all. But then yes, the tribal inherent value still applies. However, i don't think the parent post was even talking about women, but mostly about men. So you're off track.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
They should cultivate femininity, but they don't. Putting on the make up doesn't count. How many women do you know that actively try to become better at cooking, giving massages, cleaning, learning things about babies? 0, personelly.
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Mastering the art of makeup does count. It's just not enough alone.
As about cooking, that's not a female-bound skill. Anyone with two opposible thumbs and a brain should know how to cook, regardless of what's in their pants.
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Women don't need to do anything at the moment. There are so many fat, ugly, unpleasant chicks that there's literally no competition for attractive girls anyway.
Hot girls in metal are absolutely not feminine but they still have access to every single guy in the scene.
The only time hot women arguably have to 'cultivate their femininity' is if they're looking to LTR the absolute top level men (0.5%), which is incidentally the only time they have any competition.
[deleted] 9y ago
SMV in any art is merit based.
Mr_Donnerhuhn 9y ago
SMV in any art is tingle* based.
FTFY
chaseemall 9y ago
To a degree, but that that merit is might not be what we think it is. Merit might be looks, it might be social acumen, it might be simply being of the right orientation, it's not just artistic talent although that's generally considered a prerequisite.
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In music (my field) the more you're recognized in the community, the higher your SMV almost as a law. That's why bumfuckingugly JayZ can pull Beyonce.
RetiredTimeHo 9y ago
It's not just Jay's recognition that got him Beyonce. It's his money/empire. He's the richest rapper alive.
S-Blaze 9y ago
Beyonce ew, she's probably a witch now or something no joke. Alot of celebrities and politicians are into satanism, occult stuff and secret societies. It's like a big messy web, they don't all agree with each others but they're in for control-manipulation and power. Some societies are death cults acting as a bridge between our dimension and the lower astral, bad stuff. Don't let them fool ya.
chaseemall 9y ago
Okay. You're probably a troll. If you aren't, then consider this alternate possibility.
Cults are not about the supernatural but the natural. Same with religion. It's not about spiritual astral things but about the very worldly taking and maintenance of power. Belonging to the right cult allows you power by virtue of your fellow cult members and the connections therein.
Same thing with religions, albeit on a larger scale with many more useful idiots.
So is Beyonce a witch in this alternate possibility. Probably not. Is she well connected, influential and powerful? Absolutely.
Tell me, which possibility is closer to the reality you personally observe?
S-Blaze 9y ago
The deeper and the most secretive cults are highly about the supernatural for the reason that these astral spirits assist them in their pursuits. Of course at first the worldly pleasures such as money are often the bait and the initiator but then it become more of a dark spiritual quest for the communal goals and debts to the astral spirits for their ''assistance''. A downward spiral can ensue.
An example of Beyonce :
“I have someone else that takes over when it’s time for me to work and when I’m on stage'' '' I remember right before I performed I raised my hands up and it was kind of the first time I felt something else come into me''
That kind of stuff.
Who run the world? Girls! [x4] Who run this motha? Girls! [x4] Who run the world? Girls! [x4] My persuasion can build a nation Endless power With our love we can devour You'll do anything for me blablabla
She's a tool. Even the average cults can/are dealing with the spirits to some extend. Sometimes masquerading as good things which is the case of the New age movement with their channeling and the religions in general. The whole intrigue of cults lies in mysticism and supernatural life/knownledge. In opposite the very wordly is sticking to rocking the business world from a mundane view. The biggest corporations are owned by the ''secret'' societies at some level.
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Nicolay77 9y ago
And you believe all that shit ?
S-Blaze 9y ago
Its the truth regardless if people do not want to hear it. These ancient cults and practices exist since the remote ages. They shape people minds for the worse, they sell chemicals toxins ladden products and foods to weaken peoples health then they sell you their chemical meds to treat the symptoms not the causes. They shape the wars and conflicts and make profits out of them, problem - reaction - solution. They sneak into the spheres of influence to subvert in favor of their agendas. They're the ''royals'', the bankers and the leeches and the guys behind the pussification of man to gain a compliant, dependant and submissive population.
chaseemall 9y ago
What prompts your recognition within the community? Is it purely talent?
Swoledinger 9y ago
Realistically not really. Depends if you mean locally or nationally/globally. Lots of local music scenes are extremely cliquey. The 'cool' kids are moderately talented and typically stay in their small local scene until they kind of fade away. During the these good times their SMV is off the charts for girls that follow that scene. I believe this is what faulters many budding careers. Their ego grows faster than their talent, they become difficult to work with before they have the leverage to be difficult. Then they stop putting in hard work because "people just don't know what good music is". It seems the bands that don't get involved in the local cliques are the ones that move up and out, onto bigger and better.
The bands that move up return to town between tours. Are not recognized. Are invisible. Then someone clues in the local star fuckers. I once hooked up with a girl and afterwards she asked if she could come see me he next time I played. I was bewildered because I was not performing in any capacity. Turns out she thought I was in one of the bands I managed.
Outside of local communities having a "look" is what gets you recognized. Also being further away from your point of origin. Crossing an ocean to tour gives you a huge credibility factor. And with scene girls it's all about who's coolest tonight. Hoes get freaky in the green room.
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noaydi 9y ago
No
Take talented artist wich will be know in some century after they actually lived, some of them had it good, some of them had it pretty bad.
A common conception is that a really good universal artist should have to have it really bad in his real life. This is a conception for trying to make loser feel better about themself, I don't make you learn smth new.
I dream about a world where winner/alpha have it very good IRL and in all eternity, and loser being slave and stuff. Lol. Back to nature. Back to reality.
Society is only a way to cover natural unequality. Frustration come from the fact we aren't following nature and try to follow social construct (alpha widow is a manifestation) : this make frustration shared to a vast array of ppl. Winner/alpha should follow their natural instinct and beta/other be not allowed to : this is the world we are leading to actually.
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Depends on the genre. I played commercial trumpet for a while before I got into education so I can't really speak a whole lot about the pop/rock industry. I think for men its largely their talent that spurs recognition and for women its (at least to some degree) their looks - no surprise there.
Gawernator 9y ago
Looks sure help men too. Adam Levine/Maroon5; Coldplay; Backstreet Boys; NSync; etc etc
Usually good looking young men
probpoopin 9y ago
Rocker here. Well, I'm kind of in a niche with it. I play psychobilly music, drummer. It is a mix of a few things. First, you need talent. If you don't have it, you and your band will never be respected by other musicians. They won't want to play shows with poor musicians, and people don't like to listen to shit musicians play. Second, it does take work. You have to keep practicing and playing shows. If you keep at it and play some good tunes, you gain a following. Last, it's all about being in the right place at the right time, and knowing the right people. Eventually you will gain respect from fans, and most importantly, other musicians and bands. Simply put, if you play well, practice, and know people who can get you into venues. The bigger the crowds you pull and more March you sell. The more successful you will be, and your smv increases because of it. Once you get big enough, you can venture out of the subculture and get whoever you want. Think rock star. To sum up, I would say it's those two things more than anything, crowds and selling shit, which equals money. Same as anything else, practice/work hard, try to meet new people for more opportunities, and it never hurts to cross your fingers for some luck. If you don't know what genera I'm talking about, here is a good tune to start you off with.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkUjaN74M_0
wax_idiotic 9y ago
Nice. I've never seen anyone else into psychobilly on Reddit. I missed the Nekromantix/Reverend Horton Heat show last December, keep shooting myself in the foot for missing it.
probpoopin 9y ago
There are much better versions of thay sing out too that was just the first that came up. Didn't bother putting a better quality one in.
Red_August 9y ago
Indeed males and females will always set themselves up according to biological script. What is biological in human behaviour will echo wherever there is pockets of humanity. It's even more fun to observe in edge groups as it further tests and confirms the overall model and its repeatability. This is not unlike putting more gunpowder in a fun experiment just to see what would happen -- observing the Sexual Marketplace dynamics within a beta/omega subculture is just fascinating.
I must admit however that this entire culture gives me the hives even in small doses. The quiet desperation, the crass junk-for-your-soul commercialism, the life wasted, the plugged-in rationalisations for it all, the addictions, the zombie like-mindedness -- bottom of the barrel lives. All of this detritus could't be farther away from the realisation of a vibrant, lush, fulfilled and expanding life.
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Idk why anyone would want any girl who chooses to hang with crowds that are majority guys anyway. They're all attention-starved girls who are opportunistically positioning themselves in a place where they can soak up all the affection. This means gamer girls, engineering girls, lifting girls (though I can admire their dedication sometimes), metal girls, or just your run-of-the-mill "one of the guys." Sure their hobbies might appeal to you, but the cons far outweigh the pros.
Why would anyone want to compete with six guys for that one mildly attractive engineering girl when there are nurses and elementary school teachers starved for dick just around the corner?
WhySoRuff 9y ago
Ah yes, the Alpha emo/gamer/goth.
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[deleted] 9y ago
i don't get how can you be alpha and emo
my theory is that girls get attracted to their feminine side, because they are masculinized women and need to balance out that part
Rollo-Tomassi 9y ago
This is how: http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/06/tickle-me-emo/
Hoodwink 9y ago
No.
It's got to do with the girl's self-esteem / emotional fragility - they're usually naturally feminine. And, the fact the target is a half-groomed loser who doesn't have obvious social / asperger problems. I think the reason why he says that the 'emo/goth' is alpha is because there is some attention to grooming and clothes. It's like a girl who is just starting to wear make-up and you can tell she might become a hottie if she treats her body right.
Some girls like aiming for the lowest 'decent' looking guy because they are emotionally fragile people looking for a relationship with someone who is going to stick. (But still want the guy to not have huge problems. And is still obviously the best looking and most socially adept of his friends. "Local alpha" is a thing. It's also easily lost.)
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So basically what she thinks is in her league
user5577 9y ago
Stay away from gamer girls. Stay away from masculine women all together. Only good for bang.
yomo86 9y ago
True! Any activity that is branded as male only and cumulates with power and social acceptence is overrun by giiiiiiirlsss!
Back in HS we had severel extracuricual courses. Some were advertised only to men, some only to women for instance swimming classes. It is understandable that fat girls or boys don't want to be ogled by the other sex. However, I ran a classical movie course (up to the year 1995), but there were others a lot like that. We were not just inclusive, we'd actually advertised it to everyone.
In fact the first week a lot of girls showed up checking out the guys and the movies complained that there were no romantic comedies on the schedule and never showed up again. What really blew my mind: all girls flocked the origami class (japanese art of falting paper animals) and you know why? Because some football jocks wanted to lay japanese girls and wanted to impress them - you cannot make this shit up.
EDDbDG 9y ago
Huh. You seem like you don't play many video games, or know about "gamer" culture yourself. I don't understand where you get this mentality of "gamers are generally emo-style people." Maybe it was true some time ago but it's definitely not true today.
"Gamer girls" aren't even "gamers" to begin with. How often do you find a girl dedicating a decent chunk of her time to gitting gud at a video game? How often do you find a girl actually willing and interested to explore all sorts of games, triple A, indie, anything in between on her own? If you're a guy who cares about video games, you probably have given up on the hope of finding a girl as into games as you. The reason why girls are playing video games are never because of video games themselves, they always have reasons like they want easy male attention, they want to stand out from basic girls, their male friends play video games, etc.
Now that we've cleared up what the gamer girl is, let's talk about dating. There are definitely gamer girls who are 8-9s. Just look at league streams on twitch. Finding a pretty cosplayer/gamer is not hard. And when they date, they do date up, in the form of pro players, high rank streamers or just high rank people, or popular content creators.
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the_Darkling 9y ago
maybe the girls aren't dedicated to getting "good" (pressing buttons while staring at a box and doing absolutely nothing creative) at a video game (one of the products most responsible for male pussification and laziness) because she knows it's not an actually valuable skill, but she Does know that guys will slobber over themselves to watch her play them.
EDDbDG 9y ago
You'll realize that most hobbies, unless done at a professional level, are not necessarily valuable skills. You can pretty much say the same about video games as you can about drawing, writing, playing music, playing sports, etc.
The reason why women fake hobbies is because they are attention whores, or want to be part of some subculture that she thinks is cool, but doesnt care enough to dive deep into it.
trumpisafaggybeta 9y ago
You sound like a pussy-pedestalizing beta male, tbh. Most of these chicks are nothing special if you're getting action regularly.
EDDbDG 9y ago
I'm actually a gay guy, so the only way this even affects me is that it's a slight annoyance. I don't care about admitting that girls are pretty, because there is 0 attraction.
My point is that gamer girls are much much worse than OP thinks they are. Emo and gamer is not the same category.
trumpisafaggybeta 9y ago
What is a fag doing on TRP?
EDDbDG 9y ago
I agree with most of its ideology. Also being a help to my straight male friends is cool sometimes.
Also I hate women.
trumpisafaggybeta 9y ago
Were you sexually abused as a kid? Just curious.
EDDbDG 9y ago
No. Although I was interested and looking for sex since I was very young, I was never abused sexually.
While it's true that my mom was a pretty bad parent who beat and threatened the shit out of me which didn't help my low self esteem, I don't think that has anything to do with my sexuality. I will admit that it's possible my upbringing did contribute to me pretty much knowing that women were the embodiment of bullshit since a very young age, though.
trumpisafaggybeta 9y ago
You're not born gay, though, it's a learned behavior, and I have a good feeling that childhood trauma is a major cause of it. Hope you change your ways, but chances are that you'll catch AIDS before that happens.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Regardless of what you said, there's way and way to say something, and you completely lacked respect, while he stayed kind the entire time
EDDbDG 9y ago
Yo dude, no offense but you sound like a high schooler who goes on entry level 4ch boards and then posts about it on reddit.
I haven't researched what affects a person's sexuality. And childhood trauma shapes a lot about a person, not just sexuality. Surprise, your experiences shape you as a person. Also I'm not sure why you would complain and hope I "change my ways." More women for you.
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[deleted] 9y ago
I've witnessed this first hand OP and I'm sure many others have, very pathetic. Nice writeup.
aptway 9y ago
As a guy who works in the gaming industry, this post heavily resonates. Just visit Twitch.Tv and go to the League of Legends streams. You'll see gamer girls with subscribers in the thousands to their stream, even if they're shit at the game. Guys sub just for a chance to get a response to one of their questions from "thy fair maiden."
Pathetic. Most of these girls cash in their SMV by dating a pro player from the scene, but most of those guys don't lift (though they do make a ton of money and have tons of exposure, especially playing League). Some of the streamed games can approach close to 500k+ viewers, and prominent international events eclipse 1mil, so the e-athlete factor is definitely there.
Fuck_shadow_bans 9y ago
I once went on a date with a girl from OKC who put "living that Bronze 1 life". I don't play DotA or LoL, but it still made me laugh.
Turns out it was a huge mistake. She is a Bronze because she never takes the time to learn how to play, being more interested in getting attention from her male teammates over chat. She was the most entitled, most miserable bitch I've ever had the displeasure of talking to. She was a 7/10 that acted like a 35/10. >_>
theadj123 9y ago
Seeing them stream and do nothing but show off their tits and still get tons of cash disgusts me. Then you see actual competitive players getting less viewers despite actually generating content besides boobs.
Dustin_Bromain 9y ago
Ack. I've seen this first hand. I can't stand listening to beta fucks freak out because the snowflake they've been following finally replied "k" to his "OMG a guurllll on LOL? You're so awesome/cool/pretty blah blah blah" message on twitch. It's pathetic. Real women all around these guys but they've got oneitis for a cybersloot.
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It's disgusting. I just have zero respect for anyone who wastes their lives playing MMO's 8 hours a day. I can understand a game of FIFA or Halo every now and then but holy fuck
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
Eh if they make money on it whatever. I mean you have guys who spend all day analyzing football games.
MakeEmSayAyy 9y ago
that twitch thing is so fucking gay, just watching people play video games? am i missing something?
trpthrowaway2003 9y ago
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rowlanry 9y ago
I will try to explain. You don't watch twitch to just watch people play games. You watch twitch to watch entertainers play games. So first off I don't own cable. Besides Hulu and Netflix there aren't many options. Having Twitch lets you have something dynamic in the back ground instead of a TV show. Its okay if you don't watch the stream cause there is no story to get lost on. You watch for a little, laugh at their joke or reactions then go on with whatever task you are doing. Some peoplewatch to learn about the game they are playing. LOL, Dota 2, CS:GO, and any other game with any competitive nature to it have these really skilled players. Its like being able to sit down with a football pro in highschool every day and learn from him. Some people like it for the sense of community. some really good streamers sometimes have very low viewer count. So in chat, over time, you kind of develop a tight knit group of common interests and aquire some decent friendships. Most professional videogame tournaments are held via Twitch. Some are shit some are great. If you want to see what Esports could be watch a LCS league stream. They have analyst desks, shout casters, its all very professional and the best group of casters/ producers of any Esport out there right now. Some people watch to see if a new game is worth buying before spending $60. There are plenty of reasons to watch Twtich but the best of them all is entirely free. You don't have to pay a single cent to have access to most of the content. Ads are based on the streamer. Some run a lot of ads some don't. Ad block also stops twitch ads if you feel like even being more of a freeloader.
TLDR; Maybe you shouldn't call something "so fucking gay" without having the proper knowledge before hand. I'm sure you watch some sport and watch people talk about it. Same concept just, not in your interest area.
RetiredTimeHo 9y ago
That professional football/basketball/soccer/hockey thing is so gay. Watching people play games? Am I missing something?
enjoys_fisting 9y ago
If you're interested in something, you'd probably enjoy watching people do that thing if you can't do it at that time. Who cares how you spend your free time?
I don't really care about Nascar, just watching people drive a car? Am I missing something?
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I don't completely understand it, but I understand they make money doing it so I am not going to hold that against them. Playing video games for 8 hours a day some of these guys make six figures. Its like the prank channels on youtube, some of the stuff can seem sort of stupid but once you look at their total views and realize they make 7 figures a year its just another business.
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only part, and really not that huge a part, of the twitch scene is active competitive esports
the rest of it, think of it like youre chilling with some friends watching one play a game. its not really the game that is interesting a lot of the time, it's the person playing it and their interaction with the game.
i used to just put it on as background noise when i was working, but some of the people on there are actually pretty funny/entertaining.
Purecorrupt 9y ago
Yeah I'd have StarCraft 2 tournaments in the background sometimes when working on homework in college. I got out of the hardcore gaming scene thankfully. It was an addiction.
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I don't watch competitive gaming but I understand the appeal. Its just like any other sport really. Memorizing player stats, strategies, arm chair coaching, theory crafting, and talking about it within the community. The only difference is these aren't middle aged jocks clinging to a high school sports, its 20 something's clinging to a childhood hobby. Same shit. I pass on both (but I do watch OLY lifting so I guess I'm no different).
red-dead-erection 9y ago
Another thing is that some of the streamers are just straight up entertaining. Some are funny and say or do funny things and interact with other players or the viewers. You're more there for the streamers personality as oppose to the gameplay. At least that's how I see it
chaseemall 9y ago
OLY lifting, like football, like any other sport can be awe inspiring. It's like watching men of yore lift tree limbs and 200 pound stones.
It appeals to your manly sense of competition.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
Sometimes, but watching football bash their heads together can get old real fast. Not to mention thinking about all of the longterm brain issues they might get.
MakeEmSayAyy 9y ago
Okay but watching someone who's not even good at it? Something that you could do yourself with no expenditure?
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Well I think I lot of the people that watch also play. They just really enjoy it? I dunno.
Cloudwolf12341 9y ago
Most people have two screens with the stream on one and a game on the other.
Its more background noise while they do something else.
MrRaspberryJamz 9y ago
Red Pill theory preaches to find something you're passionate about, but when you do and become good enough at it to gain exposure, it's "fucking gay"? I don't understand.
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That's a poor argument. Hobbies by their very nature are escapism. Just because you don't value it doesn't mean it's not valuable.
Not everything you do has to raise your status or SMV. I'd even argue that if that's all you're concerned with then you're living a half life anyway - inured by the system into working for it instead of enjoying whatever the hell you want whether it be lifting, canoeing, wood working, movies, music, film or videogames.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
I think its the clash of old vs new.
Underballbuttered 9y ago
Yes. This. Plus diversify your interests but don't let them overtake your life so you have time to be social and make money.
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aptway 9y ago
Right. Some of the pro streamers make close to 6-figures streaming IN ADDITION to sponsorship, prize money from winning events, and their base salary from being a pro player.
Hell, there was a big news story about one of the former world champions last year signing with a Chinese LoL team for $850,000/year salary. Not bad for playing a video game.
prostaddict 9y ago
My first few girlfriends were women I met on World of Warcraft during my obsessive years. I was always their guildmaster or raid leader, so I wonder if the reason they were drawn to me was my relative SMV in that marketplace? Granted, in person, my SMV at the time really wasn't that high, while their's were (HB6, HB7, HB8, HB7.5) - which is probably why we didn't last long outside of that subculture
JourneymanTRP 9y ago
Ex of mine plays a reddit-community based online game that she is awful at. She gets to be the queen of the nerds, though, so she's happy.
Gamer girls, for the most part are just the low-end version of the needy, attention seeking social media girls.
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The gamer girl thing isn't such a big deal anymore. Starting around 10-12 years ago more and more women sort of joined the whole nerd subculture to where it is getting fairly close to 50%. When I was a teenager in the late 1990s it was more 80/20. To where some event with 50 nerds may have 40 dudes and 10 girls. If those 10 girls gave the slightest fuck about their looks and managed to work their way up to a 5 they would have as much attention as the 9s and 10s at the school. Just because their circle is so heavily men and young dudes will compete over a 5 if it is the only pussy that exists to them.
ConcealingFate 9y ago
I've spent enough time with vidyas that all of your post is pretty much true. Betas so thirsty pedestalizing other gamer girls just because that's what they wanna date.
I dated a gamer girl, she actually knew her shit and played pretty much everything even though it was kinda casually but all the dudes were pretty much hitting on her online to the point where she'd stop using her mic altogether because it just becomes harassment.
toneroma 9y ago
I think the points that "Even slightly attractive girls participating in nerd culture have artificially inflated SMV", and "Some women will intentionally insert themselves in to nerd culture with the specific intention of inflating their SMV" are both very easily observed and true...
But there is a lot of garbage here.
This is an outrageously off-base stereotype, especially in 2016. That's like saying that all girls who study Japanese are weebs. Sure, many gamer girls are social outcasts or goths, but I haven't seen any evidence that they comprise a legitimate majority. What you are describing are the girls who are loud and proud about being gamers, the ones who are visible because they actively try to be.
The reality, though, is that they represent a vocal minority. The socially-adjusted gamer girls avoid LAN parties and TCG tournaments because the drooling omega males there make them uncomfortable.
There are, I promise you, plenty of opaquely defined "gamer girls" who register above 7.5 and are perfectly well-adjusted, who don't identify with nerd/gamer culture because their confidence/validation don't require it. I don't like HB numbering systems (hey, let's compare 100% subjected arbitrary ratings!!!), but I have an ex who was universally considered to be exceptionally attractive, and if forced to rate her I'd give her an objective 8.5 on a bad day, but she was easily absolute top-shelf subjective 9.99999 to my taste. Outwardly she probably came across as a bit of a yuppy (she was a fairly successful real estate partner and dressed to the nines). At home, her primary hobby was World of Warcraft. She didn't really have any "gamer" friends. She didn't parade her nerdy side around. She was able to be confident and well-adjusted without any of that shit.
Note that, in my mind, anybody who voluntarily puts themselves into a niche like "gamer" is doing so only because of a desire to validate themselves, and gain a firm footing in the social hierarchy. I love a good video game from time to time, but I don't like the label "gamer" because the fact that I play video games need not fucking define me. I am more than a gamer, and I am comfortable enough in that to not feel a need to attach myself to some subgroup.
There are a few other comments in here that suggest you are a very intelligent, generally knowledgeable person who knows very little about every day, real-life gamers outside of stereotypes and worst-case clique-congregating validation seekers. Attention and validation seekers seek out other attention and validation seekers. This is true in any subculture. Car enthusiasts and the weird girls who attach themselves for validation despite not necessarily knowing shit. "Country girls" who have never lived in the country but hang on to red necks for validation. Girls who tag along to superbowl parties and act excited but don't care about sports anyway.
Literally every subculture or interest group has them, but this certainly does not imply that every girl who is a car enthusiast can be put in that pile. Low SMV individuals will always have a tendancy to grab at the nearest low-hanging fruit.
dking168 9y ago
Kitty Plays is so fucking hot (https://www.instagram.com/kittyplays/). I would creampie her hard.
Anyways: The fact is, the gamer girls purposely teases the beta gamer males and these males are so thirsty that I see some of them donate $11,000. ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS?!?!!? To a female who you don't even know. It's actually ridiculous.
That being said, I was a hardcore gamer but once I started pick up and swallowed TRP, I see these girl gamers for what they truly are. Whores who are losing their SMV day by day waiting for that beta male who has enough to coast her for the rest of her life. They essentially are no different than girls who are "webcam" models but it's even worse cause they have no nudity and get just as much money.
Underballbuttered 9y ago
That kittyplays chick is also only regular chick hot. I never pedestalize. I also know her entire living is unrespectable. Like you said, cam whore who doesn't even have the discipline to get good at the game. I keep telling people prostitution would do wonders for this country. The price of pussy would plummet the day its legalized.
trumpisafaggybeta 9y ago
She's not that hot, dude-- looks like every other basic bitch with makeup, like a 5 tops.
noaydi 9y ago
I begin to swallow TRP knowledge like I swallow LSD hits
Continue my master I feel the force of the dark side
darkstout 9y ago
On her Instagram profile she calls herself an "Entrepreneur." That's the new chick speak for "whore." Calling these men "betas" is giving them too much credit. This is "omega" level behavior, to give a woman thousands of dollars without receiving anything in return except watching her squeal on camera over money.
noaydi 9y ago
idiot decorating themselves with term they don't understand
constructiveasshole 9y ago
Look closer man. She's a 5/10 skinnyfat with a long face and a funny nose. She's excellent at makeup. Her pics are taken from obscure angles to hide the fact that she's overweight.
Or they're [badly photoshopped.] (https://www.instagram.com/p/9eeINRFELF/?taken-by=kittyplays) Learn to spot the "pinch" tool that all girls use on their waists.
I will say, she does have nice tits. The truth is in the group photos.
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
Damn sherlock investigating this case whipping out evidence
RichardBelmont 9y ago
you're right, I see the bent line in the background.
Dustin_Bromain 9y ago
11 grand. What the fuck. 11 fucking grand. I can't even count all the better uses for that money than giving it all to a fucking fish succubus whore beast.
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It gets even worse actually
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[deleted] 9y ago
Many 9.0s still love supernintendo. 'Non-patriarchal' Ladies will not always fit your norm.
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I've got a wonderful woman. She'd rather take penalty kicks and play possession, but she loves Super Mario.