I find the people who don't like Tinder aren't lifting enough.-/u/LowCreddit
Most guys on this forum are frauds. If they actually lifted and followed self-improvement guidelines, then they would be getting matches on Tinder. But they don't. Thus the reality factor says that most of you are probably weaker than my late-50s female boss who holds the deadlift record for her category at the local gym.
Prepare the Vaseline, because I'm about to cause a whole lot of butthurt.
If You're So Hot, Then Why Aren't You Matching?
We all know that girls are attracted to muscles and an aesthetically pleasing face. That's why there is so much focus on self-improvement around here, mainly through lifting/diet. We want to become physically arousing to girls, which is the essence of the Alpha fuck. For those with the discipline to follow a strict fitness regime, achieving physical desirability is eminently feasible even without the right facial genetics.
Yet, a sort of Fermi's Paradox clearly exists in this sub. Guys here purport to follow a self-improvement philosophy consistent with "Alpha Fucks,", which clearly entails physical fitness. Nearly every member of the TRP forum who has been here longer than 6 months should be physically attractive enough to inspire desire through looks alone, netting at least a satisfactory number of quality matches on Tinder.
But open any thread relating to online dating and what do you see? Kvetching and hamstering. Women are only on there for validation. Tinder is only for very attractive men. It's a "waste of time." Et cetera. And no one is calling out this blatantly defeatist viewpoint.
The Pain of the Reality Factor
Most men who frequent this forum have cultivated an Alpha self-image in their minds, which means that anything that would challenge their beliefs about themselves is immediately filtered out. That's why the reality factor of online dating is so soul-crushing. You can deceive yourself all you want, but you can't deceive Mother Nature. Through thin-slicing and judgments made within microseconds, women process the information in your pictures and rapidly form a conclusion about your place in the sexual hierarchy.
Beta. Beta. Beta. Beta. Alpha. Beta. Beta.
When an otherwise successful guy ventures onto Tinder and gets relegated to the Beta category, he can't take it. Massive cognitive dissonance ensues as reality comes crashing down around him - the reality that he's one of the 80% of men rated by women as unattractive. Not average. Unattractive.
Therefore, he must find some way to rationalize his self-image with his failure to physically arouse women through looks alone. That is why we are treated to a litany of dismissals and hand-waving. Let's go through a few of the most common gems.
Women Are Only There for Validation: No, women are there to be railed by hot Alpha guys. Many of my online lays claim, ridiculously, to match men just for the ego boost, but the fact that we have this conversation naked in bed is evidence to the contrary.
Tinder Is Only for Really Attractive Men: Well if you lift and take care of your appearance as you claim, then you would be one of those really attractive men.
Tinder is Useless for Minorities: My jacked-as-fuck Indian friend could go on Tinder tonight and pull an HB7 minimum for a hookup. Blow your excuses out your ass.
Just Game Women IRL Brah: More on this later, but I can't think of any other way to Game women while you're taking a shit and waiting during a commercial break on television. Furthermore - drumroll please - you can run night/day game and online game. Novel idea, huh?
Now, I have nothing against guys who do have success online but choose not to use it, for whatever reason. I strongly reject the "just Game IRL" argument when it comes from a place of necessity.
Looks Vs. Game
When it comes down to it, Tinder's polarizing effect in this sub gets back to the eternal debate of Looks Vs. Game.
Listen, if you're having more success by applying Game in real life to overcome your appearance deficit, then by all means continue. But you have no business injecting your opinion into a forum that is about improving both Game and Looks.
The Tinder bitching often has me pondering who the hell are these guys who post as if their advice matters? Intuitively, we all know what an Alpha looks like and how he carries himself. If we lined up every Tinder naysayer, would we see a group of Alpha men? Or would the lineup more closely resemble the cast of Silicon Valley?
Good advice is good advice regardless of the source. But sooner or later, the reality factor will seep in and color that advice. That's when we have a problem. And no one here really seems to care. No one is calling out the bullshit, defeatist assertions for what they are.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Who in the fuck, gives a shit about Tinder?
UseForThrowAwayStuff 5y ago
im personally on a break from the apps but about to start again. i took a break since these girls are mostly trashy like rats running around nyc. dude to dude. you can ugh catch something...
also not into the whole condom thing. also these bitches be cray. had several life long memories from some freakouts from these chicks when they cant handle me dumping them or they stalk and see other girls entering my place. fucked up shit. entertaining but yeah. there are reasons to take breaks.
NextBad 5y ago
I have to disagree with this post, it just falls into the Don't complain about anything trend, and blame yourself, for the record I do very well on tinder and pof, and okcupid, all these three combind, I get a few matches a week. I say this because I know a very good looking guy, who does well on day game but failed at tinder, he said no one is real and replies.
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So even Chad gets hardhearted, the point is you don't need to look all that, this isn't really helpful advice, there are much better post which go on about profile picture , this is just get big and jack and watch the pussy flow in, when in reality, you don't need to look jacked, buy expensive cloths, just take it slow and let things flow
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Well that claim is ridiculous on its face because we know that most girls on Tinder are, in fact, real. That's vintage male hamstering. Also, guys are pretty bad at judging how appealing other guys are. He probably isn't as good looking as you think, or he doesn't look masculine/fun in his pictures.
Applying RP Theory involves maximizing Game and Looks, which takes a fuck ton of time and energy. This statement is the [total antithesis]( https://media1.fdncms.com/inlander/imager/u/original/9381758/film1-1-f5ac0bf0bb9177fb.jpg) of that. Defeatism on this forum is cancer.
NextBad 5y ago
> He probably isn't as good looking as you think, or he doesn't look masculine/fun in his pictures.
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He has girl hit on him when we are out together, but whatever it takes to keep your cognitive dissonance.
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> Applying RP Theory involves maximizing Game and Looks, which takes a fuck ton of time and energy.
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Not really, you will learn as you experience things
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> he doesn't look masculine/fun in his pictures.
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This is the over thinking it part, trying too reframe what I said into defeatism means you aren't even trying to see my point but rather respond in insults
DeadliftRx 5y ago
Who gives a damn about these thots? Swipe right and check matches next week when you have time. Women are just a way to waste time. Either enjoy the time you're choosing to waste or find something to do with that time which improves your life.
saucierlol 5y ago
This post is so full of shit I can smell it coming out of my phone screen.
Tinder doesnt work not because of what people who fail on tinder claim. It doesnt work because of much simpler and easy to grasp causes.
Numbers. There are waaaaaaaaay more men than women. Virtually all men have and use tinder. Far from the situation for women.
Fact: women who regularly use tinder swipe way less than men. They spend 3 minutes a day before bed swiping guys. And they also spend much more time on average on one profile than men. So in a day, if they swipe 20 guys, thats a lot. Fact: there is an algorithm that generates a queue of profiles in each users tinder. I dont know how the algorithm works, but there is definitely a priority order with maby criterias. First of all, if you re not in the age and distance range of the girl, you re out (but if she is in your age and distance range, she still appears in your queue, so you ll see her but she ll never see you). Then things such as how many likes you get if you actually liked the girl or not, how old is your account, and of course, if you are a free, plus, or gold user are used to determine where you ll be placed in the queue of the girl. Fact: many men just swipe right everything, and even those who dont swipe right a lot. Consequence of all these facts: statiscally, you have a super tiny amount of chance to actually even be seen by girls. As an average user, you are far far down the queue. And people get put in front of you in the queue ALL the time. Considering how much girls swipe, there is a high chance most girld will NEVER see your profile until the time they never use tinder again or delete their account. The actual likeability of your profile accounts for almost nothing in your odds of matching girls.
The best way to use tinder is to create a new account on a daily basis. You at least get high priority for a few hours. Once you get a match, secure her number/whatsapp as fast as possible. Delete account, rince, repeat.
If you match a lot of girls, well of course you must have a very nice profile. But the only reason you match is because you were lucky enough to score very high at the creation of your account and managed to be consistent. If you are unlucky enough to lose a bit of score on your account (you dont use it for a while or you are just shit out of luck and dont get matches for a few days), you may never see a high match rate again with that account.
UseForThrowAwayStuff 5y ago
this explains a lot. i got 60, 40, 30, 15, and then it just kinda tailed off in terms if matches a day.
i know im hot as the girls freak out and say im catfishing and stuff and still come over but after a while the match rate is gone.
does this mean i sould just create a new account? like daily?
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
I couldn't give a fuck for average. Average = you're in the bottom 80% of men rated by women as "unattractive." Not average. UNATTRACTIVE. That's why average fails. And that's why most people here are more fake than brand name liquor in a Shanghai club.
No need to address the rest of your post, the magnified effects of the sexual marketplace vis-a-vis online dating has been covered already.
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
You are correct. You have to keep creating tinder accounts to get matches
odin1111 5y ago
ok op, i dont know what your problem is but it seems you're getting off on putting others down ok great.
you don't seem to realize that IT TAKES TIME to build the kind of body that gets matches on Tinder, at _LEAST 1 1/2 to two years, and at maximum 3-4 years.
This is lifting 4-5 days a week, with great dieting etc, and that's if you dont even have any injuries during this process which I guarantee 90% of guys will have injuries to work through, no one lifts perfect all the fucking time.
I don't know why you would make a post just to say youre not lifting enough, when it should be "you havent lifted for LONG enough, keep at it."
lifting is a Marathon, not sprint. and some have longer roads than others.
Now unless you're advocating taking steroids so that men can take a shortcut, I say this:
Fuck You.
I'm not fucking up my health so that I can get approval form asswipes like you, Staying natural is fine, and if some people want, then ok take steroids, but bashing people because they havent received results "fast enough" is a bunch of bullshit, you should slap yourself five times before posting your holier than thou shit.
You think you're "motivating" people, but are you really?(don't answer that, the answer is obviously no) Do you know how to motivate people?
Talk about how you succeeded, what you did, how long you did it for, how you overcame the roadblocks along the way (because yes there WILL be hurdles to overcome) and then talk about the wonderful results IN DETAIL of your success. THAT is how you inspire and motivate people. Not making a whole fucking topic bashing this nebulous group of people who "complain about tinder"
Stop patting yourself on the back, this topic is terrible, and you need to take your dick out of your own mouth.
Do better or gtfo.
You know what a better topic for you would have been? along with mentioning what I just mentioned. You could make a topic about the things you do while you're building your body, your temple. you need to take care of your mind too, but maybe you haven't done that so your success has got to your head.
There's a saying "Pride goeth before a fall." I guarantee you have no idea why. Let me explain.
Blind spots. when you get too high off of your success, you lose awareness of what's going on around you. You always need to stay grounded, or else likfe will knock you the fuck out and you wont even see it coming. hell, others might see it coming but if you act like an asshole which it seems that's all your post is, then they aren't going to warn you, and definately aren't going to help you out when you fall flat on your ass.
You undoubtedly have some blind spots. take a step back and take care of them, think of things youve done recently and see if they can bite you in the ass in the near future.
Think of it this way- When you start to feel like you've made it, so much that you get the urge to look down on others, start PAYING ATTENTION, you've most like fucked up somewhere and missed it, and those consequences are on it's way,.
Good fucking luck.
NextBad 5y ago
I'm so glad you wrote this, this sub has become more misandry each day , men already have enough self esteem issues, I was ripped and jacked, and could get a few lays, once I learn to love myself as I'm and lose some muscle I do much better around people, and women. Loving and being yourself really is the key.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
The butthurt is strong in this one.
Oh noes, effort.
Yeah, obviously it takes time. I never said it wouldn't. But this isn't a post about lifting, this is a post directed at the 95% of people on this forum who are doing pretend pussy workouts/not eating right (fuckarounditis) or don't even work out at all. Their negativity is a cancer on this forum.
Whoa there partner, calm down before you cum in your pants. I never said anything about steroids. For God' sake...
I could, but then you queens would bash me for bragging about my conquests or say that I must be some sort of model. That's why I deleted a reference to a stripper that I'm nailing. It's not important. There's enough success porn on this forum already.
Thanks for the lecture, but I'm certainly not at that point yet.
U-94 5y ago
You can lift, be tall and still be dog fucking ugly. Genetics are everything baby.
AshyLarry27 5y ago
A+ stuff.
You can lie to the festering remainder of incels that frequent this place, looking for more back up excuses as to why they are not getting laid, but you can't lie to that person in the mirror.
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
Explain why I don't get matches OP. I lift, not really a greek god but decent. It doesn't get me anything on Tinder.
Me
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SalporinRP 5y ago
Never put a shirtless mirror selfie on your profile.
I have 2 pics of myself shirtless on my profile. One at the beach in the caribbean and one of me boxing.
NextBad 5y ago
you don't have to be shredded for mirror pics, you look better than most people, keep up the good work, I would guess your issue is women are intimidated by you, have a better looking guy, on their period , Holidays , any number of issue, but don't think for a second you look bad
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yungassed 5y ago
Few reasons... you're not shredded/ big enough for a shirtless pic like that. Decent is a stretch. I would work on size atm in your case. Truth hurts, I know.
Second, terrible picture. Mirror selfies are already bad, but the mirror selfie with a huge mirror in a large room is already gonna make you look smaller than you are. Try get a close up shot in a natural environment such as a pool, beach or boat.
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
Interesting. Do you have any examples of how jacked I should be? I've been lifting inconsistently for 3 years.
Btw I didn't down vote you.
Casanova-Quinn 5y ago
That's your problem. You need to be consistent if you want significant gains. I'm talking at least 2 gym days per week as the bare minimum. No skipping gym days unless you're sick, injured, or out of town.
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
You aren't shredded. You have to be shredded for mirror pics. Your body fat % is too high
Also, mirror pics scream "douche". All shirtless pics need to be candid. If they aren't, women will automatically assign you as a douche. There is no plausible deniability. Plausible deniability is key. A candid shirtless pic at least gives her plausible deniability "Oh, there is a chance he purposely took this shirtless pic, but maybe not!"
Plausible deniability is key.
NextBad 5y ago
He isn't getting pics because it's a number games, Learning to swipe correctly , is the most important, he probably swipe right to many times and messed up the Algorithm
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> women will automatically assign you as a douche. There is no plausible deniability. Plausible deniability is key. A
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Thought the same thing, had a young cocky 19 year old guy put up a shirtless pic, He looked like a douche, he got a few matches , with his gang sign and the middle finger, some women like douche, but shouldn't the point be to be yourself and not take a lack of immediate response from women a reflection of who you are as a person
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
Is shredded Sub 10% body fat?
Do you have examples of what level I should be at?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Shredded isn't necessarily a % of body fat. Some people can be shredded at higher levels of body fat.
Shredded is basically where you have solid muscle definition and muscle cuts. A visible six pack without flexing, vascularity all over, and a solid V shape torso. you have too much fat around your midsection to be shredded
destraht 5y ago
That seems like a very healthy level of fat on him though. He has enough fat to survive an illness and also to go out hunting for days. I've found there to be a huge disparity in what I was attracted to visually and through sense of touch. Through booze I got my hands on thicker flesh that I thought was second tier but felt stunningly amazing due to its plasticity and underlying tone. To some extent I've preprogrammed my inclinations away from only super thin women.
I think that its a hell of a lot easier for our brain to be socialized through the visual cortex than the grabby hands on parts. That is what it is though and not much can be done fighting against whatever that happens to be. So I can't see the benefit of that guy permanently dropping body fat to a resting place other than to take some good photos. Some tighter pics would probably get that guy laid but is that an unqualified better resting place?
MurkyArtichoke 5y ago
Do you use that pic on your tinder? I would try to get a more natural picture, maybe something at the beach or whatever.
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
Unfotunately in the country I live the weather is shit and there's hardly any beaches.
Yes I use this for tinder. I deleted tinder because it was bad for my self esteem.
MurkyArtichoke 5y ago
Can't see your face but your body looks good to me. Hair looks nice too. Like people said, not shredded, but should still be enough to get a substantial amount of women. Maybe you'll go on a vacation and get a couple of pics there? When you say you don't get anything on tinder, do you mean matches or actual hookups? I've had plenty of matches myself, i only have a single picture, with my face, my body is not as good as yours, but i have occasionally met women on tinder and a few times it has ended with sex.
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
If you want I can PM you how I look. I don't get matches. I guess I'm ugly dude. When I do get some matches women never meet.
MurkyArtichoke 5y ago
Sure you can mate. Would be happy to discuss things.
Ragnarokar 5y ago
cant you just admit your not that goodlooking and you dont have as much game?
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TheSanctified 5y ago
I had a tinderella that I am good friends with design my profile to some success. I'm not remotely shredded, I have a full blown dad bod (thick arms and a one-pack).
The key was: good solo, cute/nerdy pic, cool pic, pic with friends, and then a pic with an animal in that order. No pics with girls and no selfies. Sparse description, but just enough to hold their interest.
Obviously, you should never stop working on yourself, but know that simple tweaks (and throwing money at boosts) can yield you an early harvest. Tinder is designed to work best with money.
Thefireman83 5y ago
I'm 35, pale red head, and bald, with nicely groomed beard. I'm 6'2" 215 and prob 10-12 percent body fat. I go the gym everyday, lift 4x a week and cardio 5x a week. All the lifting you do wont do anything for you on tinder if you're a redheaded bald guy like me with a big non-symmetrical nose. So you arguing to lift, lift, lift, can work only if you have a good face. I get a few matches a month on tinder, used to get way more results from online dating in my 20s before I went bald. Do much better with cold approaching in bars and casinos now.
phdbroscience350 5y ago
OP hits the nail on the head. I consider myself to be a good looking guy (6'4, 178 pounds at sub 10 percent bodyfat).
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I tried tinder 6 months ago after my LTR ended. I ran two experiments:
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First experiment was a fresh profile were all off my pictures were shirtless and highly sexual. My bio literally said I swear I wont stop until your legs are shaking and your neighbours know my name. I had in a span of three weeks over 200 matches of which 5 kills were made.
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After these 3 weeks I decided to change the game and play the nice guy profile. No more shirtless pictures, Sharply dressed, focusing on me as an individual. My matches dropped to around 75 for the period of three weeks. My kill ratio dropped down to two kills.
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After this period i unfortunately caught some feels for one of lays of the first experiment and currently seeing her as my main plate.
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Take away toughts;
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- Sex Sells
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- Dyel syndrome when extremely shredded is real. This is only noticeable when clothes are revealing
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Top Tinder Tip of yours truly:
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Dont talk to these girls. Every girl i matched with on tinder I send the following line: Want to meetup this saturday morning for a coffee at Place x?This my friends is a game changer. I literally had women say wow so direct i love it you are different then most guys on here. Sure this line was to direct for most of the women but I dont care. I am the hunter and i dont play by your rules.
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my two cents on this topic .)
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_teh_overloard 5y ago
I may be salty, but I was in a small city, a rural area (bigger radius) and now a more touristy place. At most I may have had 50-75 matches in the city the first time, but that was a long time ago and it then decreased. Perhaps I got shadow-banned, but I was on the verge of going insane.
Stats 6', 165 lb, lean, have pretty fun/good photos, have been rated 7+ consistently. On top of this I have also done the same experiment as you, good guy, bad boi, and everything in between, and nothing seems to matter. Obviously im salty as fuck, but whats interesting is that I have had same day lays from daygame, whereas tinder goes nowhere. So where am I going wrong? Wrong combo of pics? Not ripped enough? It doesnt really make sense.
And inb4 other people have better profiles. My insanity has gotten to the point of looking through men in my area and making spreadsheets worth of info to compare it to mine, they sucked (then again made better results as me, so maybe they didnt but you get my point).
Pestilence1911 5y ago
Any chick thats ever messaged me first has had sex with me.
Just saying.
phdbroscience350 5y ago
Good point this is also true.
Jack-Vance 5y ago
Nice guy profile was better. 5 of 200 is 2.5 percent. 2 of 75 is 2.6 percent.
If you had over 200 then that is less than 2.5 by some number, say 210 would be 2.38.
Go with the nice guy profile.
Happy New Year!!!!
SirKolbath 5y ago
Furthermore, Tinder resets their algorithms every couple weeks. It's possible that his new profile coincided with an algorithm change.
A better test would be to run two profiles concurrently and see how they do.
phdbroscience350 5y ago
This guy maths ! I salute your logic
Zech4riah 5y ago
Thanks for the insight and good job with actual field testing.
I guess I should try tinder in overtly sexual way too.
KneesForThee 5y ago
Six four and only 165? My brother you need to eat!
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Trenned_out 5y ago
Bruh I second this. I'm 6'3 and I know once I got over 220-225 (and yes started using gear lol) I started getting objectifed by women alot more. And that meant alot more easy lays. Also helps the quality of girl you get for relationships.
phdbroscience350 5y ago
I am a firefighter so I cant go for these numbers. It would damage my cardio and i would not be able to move properly anymore. I cant imagine running sub 10 min 1.5 miles with over 220 pounds on me.
Trenned_out 5y ago
Ahh I gotcha bro. Wasn't trying to be negative, "that's nothing" just referenced the amount of time lifting is all.
I think 185-200lbs you'd still easily hit those numbers and be bulked up a bit. But hey we all have different goals so whatever fufills you is what you should do.
Jfc_Manners 5y ago
It's honestly not that hard. Well...maybe that's not the right way to put it.
It's pretty achievable. I was doing 21 minute 5ks at 220, and that was after just a few months of training and carrying quite a bit of non-functional mass.
phdbroscience350 5y ago
Respect to putting up those numbers at 220 pounds. I will use this as motivation for 2019.
phdbroscience350 5y ago
Currently on a lean bulk, but in my defence I take vascularity over size any given day. I also realised my pound calculations are wrong. I tought a pound is half a kilo. I am sitting now at 178 pounds.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
That's a good size for a tall guy with normal sized bone structure. I'm 6'4" 202 lbs and definitely need to loose another 20 pounds.
Gr0o0vy 5y ago
another 20 lbs at 6'4" ? dude something is way off. There is no way you got enough lean mass if you need to drop another 20 lbs
reluctantly_red 5y ago
This sub has a distorted view of how big guys with a modest bone structure (I have thin wrists and ankles) can be without steroids. 180-190 pounds is what an athletic 6'4" guy should weigh.
Gr0o0vy 5y ago
It might be harder but it is not impossible to put on muscles without steroids; takes time and dedication tho. Otherwise it will be a bit on the thin/weak side...yes it can be lean but, I prefer not to look like, for example, Neil Magny.
To kinda stick with the same sport - athletic 6'4" guys would be Anthony Smith or Dominick Reyes. Jon Jones is definitely on PEDs.
poofartpee 5y ago
This is too low. Im 5’11” 182lb and probably have about 10 lb of room left before staying lean without gear becomes tough. Someone 6’4” can easily carry 210lb natty
reluctantly_red 5y ago
I minority of tall guys (those with larger frames) may be able to weigh 210 pounds. I can't weigh that much and be lean. Also, my athletic ability decreases if I weigh more than 190 pounds.
nzjbruh 5y ago
Half agree. Over the last 3 years I've had about 2500-3000 matches, most of which happened after I started lifting, grooming, and doing shit with my life. I went from 5.5/10 to 8.5/10. In that sense, I agree that it makes a difference. I disagree because in the end, most girls on there are there for validation and attention regardless of my relatively high SMV now.
There's 4 types of women on tinder you see most often:
Clout Chick: Wants social media followers, bio is only her IG, says shit like "I don't read this app message me on XYZ other media" aka give me a follow. Don't bother swiping right unless you want to feel good about matching her.
No Bio: Fake account or boring af, move along.
"I don't message first" or long ass bio: Wants to be approached on tinder cause she probably has no luck irl, matches with a lot of dudes and gives them content to open with. In other words, hb6 or less. These ones are usually horse chicks, posing with animal carcasses, or dum fugly.
You will likely never match and smash a hb8+. Those chicks get all the attention they need irl and are likely hanging out with people who have $$ which dives into a whole new topic.
No need for any more ultimate tinder guides, this is all there is to it.
UseForThrowAwayStuff 5y ago
the second one. why is boring af relevant at all? all i care for is if theyre pretty not if theyre marriage material
nzjbruh 5y ago
One of my plates is boring. I do 90% of the talking and leading. You're right that in the end it doesn't matter.
I find it unattractive if they can't keep up a convo. Even a booty call involves some sort of socialization; no one comes over, immediately has sex, and leaves. There's the chit chat buffer before and after. Also boring chicks are boring in bed too.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
Weird. Like 90% of my tinder lays come over,have sex and leave.
ding-dong-diddly 5y ago
How do I go from match to date? In the last months when I've started taking seriously, I've had like 8 girls who say they're down to meet up but then either flake or ghost
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Just increase SMV? or am I moving too fast? normally i'd assume the 2nd but people on here are all about "set up date within 6 messages, then just text for logistics" where in my experience talking longer is better
Ayrab4Trump 5y ago
Don’t take it from me since I don’t bother with these sites — however from what I do know in SALES, you should have a pipeline of several of these going all at once.
This is because “not all deals will close.”
nzjbruh 5y ago
The higher your SMV, the likelier the date. There is such a thing as moving too fast or too slow but I don't think it's bound by the rules you hear often like "6 messages max". I think your best bet is riding out the flow of the convo. I've set up dates from match in 2 texts and 20 texts. That's what gives it the natural "it just happened/clicked" vibe that chicks like. If you're having a fun convo that's lasting a bit longer then don't cut it short with a premature "what's your number?". I don't ask directly like that ever as it comes off too pickup artist like.
As for the date itself, be decisive. Replace "when works for you and where do you wanna go?" with "let's do 7pm at XYZ". If she can't, she'll suggest something in return (not making it hard for you). If she doesn't, you're likely wasting time chasing.
I like to text the day before or earlier on day of to tell her to meet me at XYZ landmark around the date spot first and we'll go from there. This is adding on the decisive factor and also a little poke at her to make sure things are still good to go.
Bonus: Always go for drinks on a first date. Dinner/movies is a no go and coffee is too short and has low potential for a first date lay. Always split the bill.
In the end it's all trial and error. I kind of have it scripted at this point based on my logistics.
Lastly, I also never text about things we would otherwise talk about on a date. Texting too much gives you lots of opportunity for error because people, not just chicks, will read into it, misread tone, and revisit it. In person, you can quickly shoo a stupid joke or comment away and play it off. Not so much when texting.
askmrcia 5y ago
If you do coffee, leave the coffee shop within 15 or so mins and go for a walk. This has helped me tremendously. Do not sit there and look at each other and talk over coffee. That will get you nowhere.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
We need a field report on bill splitting and tipping.
Seriously.
nzjbruh 5y ago
I have a soft spot for tipping dating back to my childhood so I always tip well.
As for splitting the bill, there isn't much to it. Waitress asks "would you like to pay together or seperate" and just reply "We'll take two bills please". There hasn't been a single time where my date has reacted badly. In fact I find it makes you look more confident in the sense that you're indifferent to how she reacts for having to pay her own $10-15 bill or whatever. Feminists seem to like it too because I guess they feel empowered or something.
ding-dong-diddly 5y ago
Gotcha brother, this is helpful shit. I've always been very vague so that might be an issue
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Would you say it's very unlikely for them to come straight to your house? I've got some shit about mario kart in my bio and chicks message about that a lot, but that being the date would require them to come straight to my house
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and as someone high SMV, how successful are you when you make your intents clear as explicitly sexual, in text before you even meet them? I've had decent reception to this, however that could just be chance
nzjbruh 5y ago
I never ask them to come over first date. Very low success rate given you've never met this person. Put yourself in her shoes. It's different if you've met before though. I wouldn't go to a girl's house on the first date either tbh, that's just asking for an STD imo as she's likely fully CCing. The only time it was directly at my place was a girl and her bf.
I never state explicitly sexual intent before the date. The fact that you're on tinder already sets the foundation for that. You also don't have to do this because you're the male. I always leave it to the girl to bring up the "what are you looking for" questions. I've never been asked what I'm looking for on a first date. If you're vibing well with her and having a good time, that question won't cross anyone's mind. Overall, I've always closed any girl I've gone out with from tinder except one when I first started.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
I always wondered who HB8+s were fucking, bc they sure as shit are not fucking regular guys, and then I became rich and I realized. They are pretty much all sucking rich old man dick
Sure they will fuck a Chad off Tinder or in the club once in a while, but the reason these girls stay single is bc their bodies really belong to some 55 year old investment banker with a receding hairline
MrSaiyan_333_ 5y ago
I experienced they fuck guys from their social circles (who many times aren't even that good-looking, muscular or rich - but at least they're familiar "territory").
smolzino 5y ago
I mean my HB8 is fucking me, I'm a student who recently went back to the gym and isn't rolling in money.
Your dick game matters, a LOT.
circlingldn 5y ago
there are plenty of 8+ med school/pharm school /dental school chicks that arent fucking rich old men
but then again them looking for the best 10% male in their classes will literally become that rich old man
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
starting med school in a week. are you implying that the girls fuck the top intellectual 10% of guys, or the best looking guys in their class?
Ayrab4Trump 5y ago
Yes.
But for serious, if she’s in med school this means she’s smart so she knows her biological clock is ticking; plus making money after med school takes years.
She will hunt down the best males in her class & upperclassmen and lock them down — high risk, high reward for her.
If you play your cards right you can win an MD HB8 cuz there is a bit of desperation on her side. (Especially if she realizes her time is running out & you could always get a younger med student the following year).
ellenvonboyce 5y ago
Here is where that situation ruins everything:
Let's say you get that HB8 med student chick who is smart enough to know her clock is ticking. Best case is she manages to lock down a man after graduation from med school and has a baby, takes a year off and then goes back to work and abandons the child in daycare, the child suffers, becomes an attention-seeker problem child with either behavioural issues or suicidal tendencies. Worst case, she manages to lock down a man, gets pregnant half way through med school, doesn't go back to school and stops working all together and her man now becomes responsible for paying back her tens of thousands of dollars of student debt in top of providing for the family. Child ends up ok, man is financially crippled. They can't ever afford to have fun. She gets bored and leaves him for someone who can. He is now on the hook for child support.
Somewhere in the middle is a woman who doesn't want children, graduates, makes top earnings in her field, won't settle for any man because her career is important, will never love you, only has cats, is bitter and lonely and has no self-awareness to understand why, and is probably an alcoholic (wine-o).
High earning women are a huge risk unless all you want to do is fuck them and leave them. Otherwise get ready for a wild ride, my friend.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Interesting. How should a dude play it so as not to seem too eager but at the same time score an MDHB8?
Ayrab4Trump 5y ago
Idont f’ing know. Go stand out slide their graduation ceremony?
Go ask a med student who’s done it before.
But u better believe they will still be very hard to please — since they won’t “date down” and down for an MD is a lot of people.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Lol bruh have some news to break to you. The prevalence of sucking rich old man dick is especially high in college girls. Many of them turn to sucking rich old man dick to pay their way through college.
Some retire when they graduate and start making their own money and can take care of themselves, but on these sites that connect HB8+s with rich old men, the ratio of college age girls (18-23) to post college age (24+) is 50/50 - bearing in mind the market basically stops at age 35 (nobody is trying to fuck 35+ year olds lol)
mantis_2boggan 5y ago
that's a mighty fine hamster wheel you got there homie
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Lol have no clue what you're talking about. AP Bio is down the hall buddy
orieva 5y ago
This. HB8+ are always in demand. Whether social media or irl, they will receive plenty attention and other hot people. Unless you're a Gosling, don't bother with Tinder or IG for the hotties.
Your best bet is to delete your social media and work on irl skills. You most likely won't stand out in terms of photos, but you might in terms of social skills.
circlingldn 5y ago
why in gods name would you delete social media
superyute 5y ago
how else should he hamster about his failure on the platforms?
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Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
Yeah but the time that it costs you to match with those girls and message them could have been more productive by approaching in real life. Internet dating works but I think it's the least efficient method.
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Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
I've actually opened a few matches by telling them I was pooping. It worked so that was cool I guess. I just rather opening girls irl because it's more fun and a lot easier. Creating some random shit for every match is just exhausting.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
The social media whores are pretty few and far between. Most girls on Tinder are at least open to hooking up. After all, nobody is on the car dealership lot “just browsing.”
People generally make Tinder more complicated than it has to be, but I think there is some value added in the guides posted on this sub. Lots of guys really do need it explained in detail.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
You're getting downvoted by low SMV hamsters. But you are dead on.
The ones there "just browsing" are super easy to spot. Don't match them and move on.
Part of the reason I use Tinder Gold. "Muh why would you pay for Tinder muh". Because when matches are brought to you, you can tell who is for real and who isn't. Plus you can get the ball rolling on your own schedule.
nzjbruh 5y ago
All girls everywhere are open to hooking up. The ones on tinder are met with an armada of dicks with their height in their bio so their ego inflates. Supply and demand applies to the tinder sex market.
Using your car dealership analogy, no one goes there to just browse, but they for sure will test ride a bunch of dealerships before they pick what they had in mind anyway. These are the DTF chicks.
Sciptr 5y ago
Nobody is on the car dealership lot “just browsing”?
I do this all the time.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Bad analogy buddy. Tinder isnt the car dealership lot. You actually have to get up off your ass to go to the car dealership.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I'm a day late but I should add this post word for word as an adendum to my Tinder guide. It's gold.
I remember when I first posted my Tinder guide all I got was hamstering. Muh. Muh. Muh. You are dead on the nose, those who hate Tinder and OLD in general are those who suck at it because they are unattractive and weak. They don't want to put in the effort.
How much you want to bet that those who say "Just game women IRL brah" don't actually game women IRL?
Tinder and Bumble and all of that is an investment in yourself. It took me a while to truly gain traction on it. Every time I thought I had high enough SMV, big enough muscles, good enough pictures, I was smacked back down to reality. I knew I still had ways to go in terms of SMV, size, and picture quality. I laugh at the first round of pictures I used that I thought were good, compared to what I have used most recently.
I remember when I thought I had the best pictures ever, and that I was going to get tons of matches, and didn't get as many as I thought I would, and those I got ghosted or flaked. Despite the pictures getting 95%+ on Photofeeler, I was still striking out. Even when your pictures showcase your SMV, they still need to showcase something most men are missing - do your pictures generate excitement? Yeah your pictures may convey you have good SMV, but if they do not generate excitement, you'll just be classified as a beta with good SMV.
It's a process. Odds are your pictures/SMV/size aren't as good as you think.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Appreciate the reply. Your work has influenced my thinking a great deal.
VanityKings 5y ago
The problem with online dating is the 80-20 rule, which means that the 80 percent of women are getting fucked by the top 20 percent of men.
The top 20 percent of men would even fuck a 3 on a slow day, and this leads to ugly women deluding themselves into thinking they are much hotter than they are and could lock down a committed relationship with these high value men despite literally being nothing more but a cumdump to these Alphas.
I've recently experienced this firsthand last week when a tinder hoe told me she "met" someone hotter than me and wanted to see where things went with him and not fuck with me anymore.
Nothing hurts the male ego more than someone below you telling you that you are not good enough.
The only solution is to work on yourself until you get as close to the top as you can, and even then you're not safe from hypergamy.
Invest in yourself always and never give up
Watership_NIMH 5y ago
The 80/20 days are long gone. It's not even 90/10.
bigmodaman20173 5y ago
Yep its 95-5 now. I really think we should update the curriculum to atleast 90/10 though.
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Maybe have a referendum or something
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gerwig 5y ago
Agree with the filter concept but saying online dating is reality is incorrect. Online dating is hyperinflated and there is no reason to commit to any guy for a date when there are 50 others who are as attractive or slightly moreso that you can flick through with your thumb in minutes.
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BlackendLight 5y ago
What are, in your opinion, the best guides on online dating and tinder?
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DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
You're a fucking idiot. I'm 5'10, 190, and go from 13-15% bodyfat.
And I still don't get matches or get shit matches.
This is why I hate this subreddit. Statistics have already been shown by OkCupid, on top of other stats that show white men have an advantage. That the 80-20 rule is legit. And that tinder is a waste of fucking time for certain guys.
Wake up. Redpill is only a step in the right direction, it's a good start, but you need the Blackpill to fully complete it.
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askmrcia 5y ago
You're basically a nfl defensive back. Yea I feel you. I'm one inch taller then you, 170lbs and 8% body fat and can still barely get matches, let alone dates.
And I have good photos of me rock climbing, performing on stage in front of hundreds of people, ect...
It is what it is. Honestly I don't know anyone that is getting dates from tinder at the snap of their fingers. And I know guys that played d1 college football at a big ten school. Now maybe it's because of their skin color but my point remains.
The only people I see bragging about major success on tinder is this sub reddit. And until people start posting actual proof that they are getting laid like a warlord I'll continue to take these sorts of posts as a grain of salt.
Matches and messages is one thing. How many of those matches turn into actual lays?
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
I'm Latino, and I'm not harping on about race, but I'm getting a little sick of the "just be alpha! Work harder!"
It seems like everyone is so busy trying to be a guru, or an endorsed contributor, that they don't really guide others and just push the usual "just lift!!" advice.
It's getting crazy banal. Tons of click bait style titles, and over use of the redpill nomenclature.
It's not just us, it's everyone... We better reach the next level of redpill. The pills in here are old.
But whatever man, I hope people recognize that the redpill doesn't end at this forum. It continues, it's evolving past the 2008-2010 era. Tons of guys have been saved, but we need to push further.
We need to understand politics, demographics, migration, economics, etc. It's not just a hobby anymore, it's a survival strategy in a fucking crazy tech world.
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DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
Ok man. It's not. I'm fat. Does 80/20 go away? Are woman getting 1000's of messages a month?
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Yeah, and men with aesthetically pleasing faces who don't even know what a deadlift is also have an advantage.
Maybe you missed the reference to my "jacked-as-fuck Indian friend" who regularly pulls hot tail.
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
"I know this one girl.... So....NAWALT!!!" Your annectode, vs a wealth of information. I'm not complaining about the realities, but some of the thoughts you propound are bullshit.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Like what? Some men have it easier than others, that isn't exactly a secret. We don't need studies to tell us that whites have a statistical advantage or that women prefer guys who are 6 ft. tall. Unless you have a legit deformity, then I stand behind everything I said. Send me your profile then and I'll tell you what's wrong. 99% chance you don't, because it's easier to wallow in self-pity than critically examine what you're doing wrong and fixing it.
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
Sheer cope if you think that demographics, location, and technology don't skew Online Dating.
I have a girlfriend, but I use tinder and game on it to keep my skills sharp. I don't need you to rate me, the sheer non sense of "just lift!" Doesn't account for the reality we live in. Roosh said it best, women get messages by 1000's. You really think game or mindset is going to skew the outcome that much? Wake up lol.
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
But I'll go deeper, coper.
"Women are only there for validation". Yes, of course they want Chad and they become numb to countless advances of betas and and non Chad's, but it does boost their ego to the point where they ghost, flake, and shit test to no end. Don't believe that? You are delusional.
"Tinder is only for attractive men". I'm not even going to get into this. BJJ, starting strength, 5-3-1, and lean gains are a regular thing for me, for YEARS. I'm fit. Don't want to hear "lift!", The effort is not fucking worth it when I live an athletic lifestyle (yes athletic, yes I lift hard, yes I roll hard 5x 5-8 minute gos in gi/no gi 5-6 times a week with IBJJF/MMA/Submission grappling athletes, I supplement and lean gains, nutritarian diet...) only to have some basic lifestyle person blow me off. Your basic, bread and butter RSD, elementary redpills don't work on me.
"Tinder is useless for minorites" WAKE UP. Legit, fucking kill yourself if you make me bring up OK Cupid statistics, the dating information in research papers that show all women respond more favorable to whites. I'm not mad about it, but don't sugarcoat shit, and your little fucking annectode about your jacked Indian sounds nice, but is a fucking NAWALT story.
Once again boyos, this is the deal. The red pill is real, it's useful, but take other factors into account. Your personal goals are smarter if you temper expectations to the tempo of reality. Make that tinder account, but don't obsess over a fucking app that not only is against you in regards to algorithm, but in regards to preference and population in your city/state. When you approach, do it hard, but be more crafty in where you approach, and the audience. So on so forth.
That being said, keep a mindset of excellence. You have to lift. You have to have a basic understanding of game. You have to your other shit straight. This is simply a fact that ALL men should acknowledge, but don't fall into the fantasy that that's it. When that 1% chance does come you have to be ready.
Rollo's time is over, we live in a new world fast world where technology makes our problems 10x worse or better.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Yeah, how about that delusion where my plate told me after we just finished having sex that she mostly uses Tinder for an ego boost (except, of course, for guys like me that she wants to actually fuck).
I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of this. Your attitude is the kind of defeatist cancer that should be cut from this forum, and your mindset of "be more crafty in where you approach, and the audience" is a classic buffer against rejection. You've clearly made up your mind and nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise.
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
You could have the best results in the world boyo, but don't go to sleep on a full stomach and say "there is no hunger in the world".
helterskelter1988 5y ago
Tinder is a waste of time unless you’re a 9 or 10. And if you’re that guy you’re not even using Tinder, so there’s that.
Can you get lays off it? Yes. I had over 40 in the span of a year. But the time I wasted in that I can’t get back. I would’ve spent at least half the time with same or better results had I gamed IRL.
EL_Miore 5y ago
Nigga, what. 40 lays in 52 weeks is extremely successful. Most Men wish they had that kind of success on Tinder and even IRL gaming.
helterskelter1988 5y ago
I'm above average in terms of looks, that's pretty much the deciding factor in OLD. And I did bang some uggos when I needed to nut so there's that too.
hot_soup19 5y ago
But you're probably full of shit.
Let's go with this simple rule : Everyone lies about their stats on the internet by at least 10% (except me, but I'm honest.....I actually mean that....)
You're 5'8'', 195, and 20% body fat. If the 88 is 1988, then you're old too.
A 30 year old that's 5'8'' and 195 and probably has no career = You are not in the top 20%
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
How wrong, and how stupid you are only PROVES my point. No problem man. Thank you. Keep preaching the "be alpha" shit.
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
The fact that I'm telling the truth, and you find it hard to believe makes it better too. Yeah I am 30, and everything else I said it's true, and probably understated. Maybe I'm 5'10, but say I'm 5'9 to be humble. Maybe I'm at 12% all the time. Maybe there are other factors like being a purple belt in BJJ, or knowing MMA, or being a high grade in a good job that I'm not mentioning but I just don't say it because it doesn't fucking matter.
It doesn't matter because hypergamy is real, 80/20 is real, and everything else I said is real. Let's imagine I'm 350lbs, 5'5.
How are you going to argue against everything else I said? Are you going to deny hypergamy, 80/20, the OkCupid/tinder statistics, and a bunch of other Blackpill concepts?
Keep coping you fucking useless fuck.
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I am 5'8 guy, really good sharp face. Very good fitness.
In Thailand i can pull hundreds of dates on tinder right at the moment I leave the plane in suvanaburmi airport bkk. There I am still taller many many thai guys. So I guess height already plays a crazy factor. And I cant change that. In thailand i dated womem from all walks of life. Hot girls. Wealthy girl too.
In 3 years in germany I got no date at al via tinder its that crazy. I used same pictures. No display of wealth.
Also the okcupud study completely confirmed my own experience.
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
I'm not trying to be negative to anyone here, but next level redpill is accepting what Rollo and co. Explained to us, while adapting to the new frontier of politics/technology/and demographics.
Wake up guys. We need to learn our place in this new world.
NextBad 5y ago
Agreed, social dynamics come into play but talking about them people just say your complaining
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When i told my female cousin about the situation, she is a blonde 7 to 8 I d say, she gasped in shock that I got filtered out in tinder.
She herself has the full menu open on tinder and other sites. Hot, tall (taller than me), six pack dudes wsome with expensive cars throwing themselves at her. Lol
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This is also when I say, the situation is really bad with tinder and the like for most guys. I am not average looking, above average, just normal height in this grey area. But 5'8 already seems to small. I really tried hard on tinder. Sth in.me was also shattered realizing all this.
Irl surely the situation is a bit different. I dont need to go into that. But nevertheless ...
Above Average guys, average dudes and also below average dudes in an ideal world would be able to find dates in tinder on their attractiveness level. But no, then you have women, hot, average and below average girls all targeting solely the top of the top mountains of men. Its fucking ridiculous.
Also I hesitate returning to thailand. Why should I fish out the girls there. Thai men need to have their pool too I think to myself. And it seems western men are leaving their ruin there too, considering the hypergamous instincts in women.
DreadfullyDistinct88 5y ago
You're a good man for leaving the Thai men their own pool.
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Bullshit post. Tinder is for the top 5% of men. I can get laid around twice a month but I am built like a mma fighter and constantly get iois in real life. But most women wont match with me and rarely respond on tinder. If you are not over 6 foot then tinder wont be a goldmine for you. I work out 3+ a week and dress well and most women wont respond . I can still bang 20+ women a year from it but the amount of flakes may not be worth it . If women will rarely respond to guys like me then the average man doesn't stand a chance. I am also black and realize that women want to date white guys. Especially black and Asian women.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Is that really something to be concerned about? If you're matching at 51% you're an Uber Chad. Many of the best Tinder users I've seen are in the 20-25% range.
You're fucking 1.6 women on average from Tinder every month. Assuming they aren't fatties or uggos, you're way ahead of most guys who get no lays at all.
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Yeah I had some good lays from tinder this year. But the amount of effort isn't worth the output. I'm ripped and fit so day game works way better than tinder. I use tinder tho when I dont have time for day game. But let's be honest. Women on tinder are not girlfriend material just pump and dump. And pumping and dumping gets old fast
UseForThrowAwayStuff 5y ago
where do you day game? ive just been feeding off tinder but i really want a new diet
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Normally the grocery store like walmart. You just got to get lucky sometimes lol
Vikingcel 5y ago
I have been lifting for 7 months. Why can't I get matches, let alone IOI irl?
strikethrough123 5y ago
How are you not getting matches? You’re practically Ragnar Lothbrok. Lemme suck you off bro.
itsBoundless 5y ago
fuck off bro you look fucking good
Casanova-Quinn 5y ago
You're lean, but not that big. You still look normal in clothing. Which is expected considering you are only 7 months into training. You need to keep at it longer for noticeable gains. Regardless of physique though...
Good pictures are everything on tinder. You need good pics with friends, doing activities, traveling, etc. If all your pics are solo selfies you're going to come across as a lonely boring loser, even if you're jacked.
goingrandomgod 5y ago
Everyone knows the vikings series and will compare you with their actors. Does not help you that you even look similar to the actors of bjorn and ragnar(you will be compared subjectively to them since you roll similar style and look similar). Just get more muscles and your hairstyle with beard will fit. Probably grow your mustache.
I think you should stick with that style if you like it but definitely get more muscles to support your style. You are definitely not a 5 like the people rated you in your other post. Definitely keep up, go hunting and do not give a fuck what people say, keep frame and you should be good.
Vikingcel 5y ago
That's why I'm Vikingcel. Once I grew out my facial hair a bit and got an undercut, a gym bud told me I look like a discount Ragnar.
MaximMartoot 5y ago
You look dyel, lifting is not a quick and easy route. Just taking good photos is far easier and you'll see and improvement in matches.
Vikingcel 5y ago
As is, I'm by far the strongest of the weak.
RemyPrice 5y ago
Because your profile sucks. There are simple changes that can make all the difference. Shoot me a PM and I can help you tweak it.
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
Can you give me some advice too?
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ELMasTurbo 5y ago
Yeah can you give me some tips as well? i never know what to put in my bio.
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Trenned_out 5y ago
I'm hoping this is satire....
7 months bro? That's nothing. Now I'm not putting down the accomplishment that putting 7 months of effort into lifting is. That's awesome keep it up.
But in terms of altering your appearance to the point where your muscle raises SMV a good amount.... try 2 years minimum IMO.
I've been lifting 8 years now and I think it was about that time before anyone noticed shit.
Zech4riah 5y ago
That's a great physique for a guy who have lifted only 7 months, what's your problem dude? It's not only about the time. It's also about the intensity, diet, program etc.
Actually that physique puts him already to top 20% and his body won't let any girl down when he takes his shirt off. Actually you hit pretty fast diminishing turns when it comes to condition. All it takes is to seem a bit fit, after that the points won't go up too much. (Then there is always a group of girls who prefer body building type of guys but they are rare).
Newsflash: Girls don't dig too buffed up gym bros as much as you think.
Trenned_out 5y ago
Why are you getting so defensive bro? Lol. I didn't put him down but encouraged him to continue to gain.
Also there is a loooooong way between 6'4 165 and "buffed up gym bro" 200lbs would allow him to fill his frame out a bit and still have that "pretty boy" type of look that hes going for.
But on a different note, saying chicks don't dig jacked guys, I think that is alot more nuanced than you think. Some girls don't like it, you're right, alot can go either way depending on what they think of the particular guy, and then the ones that like it.... LOVE it.
So you aren't wrong but are correct about a subset of the female population.
And just to be clear I'm not 255lbs for women. Honestly if I'd get down to about 230 and be super lean that would be better for purely pussy getting purposes.
Zech4riah 5y ago
Defensive? I'm just pointing out a stupid comment.
Did you even check out Vikingcel's picture he linked? He is not 6'4" and 165lbs. I didn't talk about OP.
And there is plenty of "amateur studies" in internet where girls have been interviewed etc. and most of them pick a fit athetic guy over a jacked gym bro (regardless of being lean or buffed).
But as lean 230 you would definately have your niche group of women liking you but that would consist only of a small portion of women (altho, it would most likely be enough).
Vikingcel 5y ago
I've been lifting for more than 7 months. If you've read OP, 6 months should be enough (supposedly)
You must have reaaally bad genetics, man.
Trenned_out 5y ago
"that time" as in when people noticed, referenced 2 years.
I started 170lbs skinnyfat. Takes alot of time to fix that physique lol.
I've now been lifting 8 years, definitely didn't take this long for it to be noticeable since I'm 85lbs heavier than when I started and deadlift mid 600s.
But thanks for the insult bro. ;)
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Psychological_Radish 5y ago
That stupid haircut isn't doing you any favors. You look like Trump with the sides shaved off.
Vikingcel 5y ago
I'm building a wall to keep the pussy out.
We both know that it's not just the hair.
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throwaway9935555 5y ago
Your facial hair looks like shit. If you can't grow it out in a smooth and consistent way, you should just get rid of it. I think your haircut is also hit or miss and could rub some people the wrong way. You'd have more success with less or no facial hair and a more standardized haircut.
For the record, I think you look better than the 5s people were giving you. You're at least a 7 or so on any non-asshole scale.
EDITED: I looked at the wrong picture at first.
Vikingcel 5y ago
I have a weak chin. Without facial hair I don't look like an ugly scruffy viking, I look just ugly.
TheAiphaton 5y ago
Nobody says that you should go buzzcut. But there are definitely other hairstyles that could suit you better and that are more in "trend".
throwaway9935555 5y ago
It may be too homo for you, but you can get botox injections to lift/thin your jawline.
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throwaway9935555 5y ago
Yea but it's like, if you're really using a normal distribution, that guy isn't the mean (a 5). He's clearly well above average. If you're being "fair" you have to take into account fat people, handicapped people, sick people, old people etc. I haven't read their rules, but I'd think even if the rating system were targeting only healthy people ages 20-39 he'd still be better than the mean. I feel like that sub is a salt mine.
Sciptr 5y ago
I appreciate this post.
I do also however wonder how this lines up w the experiments done where people have created accounts with models and such, yielding still weak results.
Vikingcel 5y ago
You got no idea how easy it is to spot a catfish
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
Haha the truth hurts, hence the 49% upvote rating. I did well on Tinder/Bumble and I am in no way a superstar. I'm a guy with an above average face, average height, and in good shape (but again, not like a powerlifter or anywhere near superstar status).
dontbethatguynow 5y ago
follow those guidelines and you really don't need tinder, you'll have plenty to deal with in real life as it is. (not to mention quality women usually aren't on tinder, just because they're good looking doesn't mean they're quality)
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Zech4riah 5y ago
Tinder is somewhat limited if you live in a city less than 200 000 people (that's actually significant portion especially if you live in Europe) but I digress.
I match with 8s and 9s often enough (without boost, which is actually almost a mandatory these days) but I have trouble getting them to see me live.
If you have good real life game, you should expect to pull 1 or 2 notches lower quality girls from tinder than you can pull live. This is pretty much the reason I prefer real life cold approach and use Tinder only as an auxiliary tool.
But yeah, I pretty much agree with you. There is plenty of guys who live in self deception.
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hot_soup19 5y ago
It means you have to go to 3rd world coutnries to get pussy
warlordchad 5y ago
I think the point here is that yeah, if you’re really good looking and live in a big metropolitan area (1 million plus) you can probably do ok on Tinder.
Understand however, this sub isn’t called: glory be unto Chad. It’s about giving ordinary guys a chance to be more successful with women. And ordinary guys are going to have a hell of a hard time on Tinder.
SirKolbath 5y ago
Not really. I'm 5'5", decently muscled, and about a 7.5 or so (It's hard to rate yourself.). I had so many kills on Tinder that I finally decided the app was a distraction from mission and deleted it. (No joke. I doubled my income after doing so.)
Tinder is like any other aspect of game. You git gud at what you work at. I worked on my opening on Tinder game the way some people work on their cold approach game.
I didn't live in a big metropolitan area. In fact, I lived in one of the worst SJW capitals on the west coast: 50 minutes south of the shithole that is Seattle. Most of the girls Tinder offered me had some bullshit about how "If you voted for Trump swipe left!"
I think most guys think Tinder is going to be easy and therefore don't put in the work for it. They don't know how to open with texting, and they don't know how to maximize their profile to create interest. They think it's a couple of pics and they'll be rolling in ass. It takes a lot more effort than that.
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DoneScannedIt 5y ago
People complain about lifting not = tinder matches.
Lifting = commitment, strength, confidence, physical appearance, self improvement, healthy living, having your shit together.
There is so much more than just an improvement in your looks. Those things that don't improve your looks-based-success in getting Tinder matches, are so much more important, long term, in managing your relationships and frame. ^([edit: typo])
Trenned_out 5y ago
Well this was a nice ego boost about my physical appearance since dating apps are my main source of my 72 notches lol.
But in all seriousness it does help put things in perspective that what I consider a slump or when I start doubting myself, I need to realize how far I've come to get to this point and to appreciate my SMV instead of only focusing on how it can improve. Definitely too hard on myself at times.
MurkyArtichoke 5y ago
Correct me if i'm wrong, but do you assume almost everyone who started reading this sub should in a span of 6 months be attractive enough through fitness and diet? Or maybe i read that wrong..
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beginner_ 5y ago
And there is your disconnect. 6 months might have worked for you but if you are fat to obese then it will take literally years. And even a skinny fat guy will take much longer than 6 month. Skinny fat is tricky because you are much further away from target than it seems.
You either already were fit before or have great genetics (+ probably young).
many guys come here, start to lift and learn game but to get the full benefits of the better looks, it takes just a little longer than expected.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Okay, point taken if you're obese. But I didn't say every member, I said nearly every member. I stand behind that assertion.
I suppose it's up to the individual what is a satisfactory number of quality matches, but I think one HB7 a month would already put most guys in the top 20%. That's very feasible for most people here...but, you know, too much effort I guess.
Jfc_Manners 5y ago
Eh...A skinny fat guy can get in pretty great shape in 6 months, he just has to really throw himself at it. The thing is, when you are super skinny, or super fat, you can basically ignore the "you can't gain muscle on a deficit advice" for a number of months. If you're both skinny and fat, your 6 months will be about equivalent to 12-18 months for someone who is already in okay shape.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
OP is laughably wrong lol. Being alpha is not about having 8% body fat. \~
Tinder has no ties to reality. Enough proof of that is that on Tinder a 5/10 girl can match with every single guy she swipes right on, yet in reality no one approaches her
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Applied Redpill is about Game and Looks.
helterskelter1988 5y ago
Right. Why bother grabbing drinks with a rando off Tinder when she can get boned by a number of chads on demand IRL.
RonieGarret 5y ago
I got bad skin and not so good face. I'm lifting but still weak. Do I rreally have to waste my time on tinder, to be allowed to read trp and apply some knowlegde in daily life?
I may look like beta, but my frame is my thing.
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
Dude ultimately, looks beat game.
You need to keep working on your looks. There are ways to get over acnes and stuff which was discussed on this sub before. Dress better and keep lifting.
Sooner or later you'll get there.
EL_Miore 5y ago
"Ultimately, looks beat game"
No. What you mean is initially, looks beat game.
vfb14 5y ago
Be careful man, you are gonna crush some deeply ego invested hearts lmao.
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RemyPrice 5y ago
Tl;dr: Girls like muscles.
Stop trying to be u/GayLubeOil. You don’t have the writing chops to compete.
nzjbruh 5y ago
You should appreciate the time and thought he put into the thread. Following the quarantine there's been a noticeable decline in content. If this doesn't meet your standards then close the thread and read another.
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Psychological_Radish 5y ago
So GLO is the only one allowed to post controversial views around here?
RemyPrice 5y ago
This view is not controversial, and this post adds nothing that isn’t already in the sidebar.
vfb14 5y ago
This subject is kriptonite to the redpill man, they cope with this knowledge labeling as black pill.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Ah okay, so we're all in agreement on what I have to say. Glad that's cleared up.
RemyPrice 5y ago
Not everyone is going to praise your every utterance. I’m not your mom.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
lol Tinder is trash nasty girls. More are dtf but apps like Bumble have much better talent
Trenned_out 5y ago
I'd disagree. Today almost EVERYONE has these apps. I think you're right tinder probably has a higher percentage of slutty girls but these days bumble is no better.
I'd say check out Hinge, it's new enough it's more geared towards "quality" (lol) girls.
I still tend to meet the best girls off tinder it's just 1 out of 100 lol. Worse ratio maybe but the talent is still there.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
Odd.
Hinge for me was all fat chicks. Deleted it after a few days.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
It's not the app part, it's the Tinder aspect. In most markets any girl of quality (and I dont mean 'unicorn' or some shit, but girls that arent covered in tattoos with daddy issues and have actual college degrees) will be on Bumble or Hinge.
When I download Tinder I find myself swiping right maybe one in every 25 times on a girl. It's just a shitty market
Trenned_out 5y ago
What type of location do you live in? I find in big metropolitan areas there is more "normal" girls on tinder too. Now I'm not saying the ratio is better, but there is still a good amount fuckable girls on there.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Tinder has been trash in both major cities and mid sized cities