The Red Pill has never clearly defined who is an alpha male. Some say he is Elon Musk, others say he is Alexsander, Napoleon, Julius Caesar. But who is the alpha male right now?
Now as a thought experience pretend what Im saying is true: There are very powerful societal figures who have lots of connections, wealth and a mission. These sound like alpha male characteristics right? Say his name is Jimmy Savile. If the "conspiracy" is true then his entire behavior would resemble the ultimate alpha man. Amoral, predatory, two-faced, perverse, yup that's him!
Generally women can smell out who is high status or not which makes me believe alpha men do not need social tricks or even genuinely try hard to get women. Their status seduces for them.
Now according to TRP commands it is amoral and dosent moralize. Are we all doing a little bit of self improvement so we could one day be a Jimmy Savile? Or is the point of PUA a loop hole into destroying systems by devaluing the "freemasonry" systems from within?
Thank you for your attention.
Stringmaster29 5y ago
theres no savile conspiracy. its all been proven true.
MotiMorphosys 5y ago
Pretty sure this was directly addressed in the rational male. Tomassi said there was no example of a perfect alpha male, but Corey Worthington came pretty darn close. https://youtu.be/968yNvFiVH0
Foxman8472 5y ago
TRP has never clearly defined what an alpha male is, either. I've seen the alpha male definitions galore. We all have the rich cocky slick businessman in mind but there's also the jock and there's the emo rockstar (and for each some even go to lengths to create new terms such as Renegade Alpha) and that's just off the top of my head, barely scratching the surface. It's cute, but it feels more like a bunch of teenagers who never had sex talk about sex, you can feel the cringe. Being alpha is, at its core, being happy and satisfied in life, including the sexual aspect. Seriously, there's no quota to fill, you don't have to have fucked X amount of women to be alpha, but if that's what makes you happy, possibly having achieved that and that making you happy would amount in you being happy and satisfied with your life which makes you alpha. If you're a perfect conman that can sell ice to Inuits and get into any woman's pants and that makes you happy, bro, you're alpha. If you have a happy wife next to you and you're honestly satisfied with your sex life, you're alpha. There's nowhere higher you can go from there as a personal success measuring regarding sex. PUA is barely a tool to reach your desires, and attesting or not to the tool's usefulness is not the focus of the discussion; Neither is morality, the moral choice begins and ends whether you consider your pursuit of happiness to be more important than some stranger's possible mental welfare.
I don't know the rest of the stuff with the freemasons and whatnot, there's some background to be given and a joint to be passed if you want me in on that.
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Magnum994 5y ago
Elon Musk, the alpha male in his natural habitat: https://youtu.be/oPujLcwFgeU
uireoiu32 5y ago
It's actually even worse than that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2wRvhbJIQQ
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Radioactivebuny 5y ago
Has anyone seen her since he launched his car into space?
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circlingldn 5y ago
Women cant smell out high status...if you are a great persuasive liar
Countless men have lied their way into pussy...saying your a medical student or veteran is much easier than being one
Apply to the most girls and you will have the most success
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Thanks for telling me now.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
There is nothing alpha about Elon Musk.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Actually I think Elon musk is a really interesting case. Definitely a blend of alpha and beta traits.
We live in a time when beta nerds can rise to great wealth, fame, and influence. Most of human history and evolution this wasn’t possible really. Maybe you get a blue pill emperor or INTP philosopher king.
So from a social Darwinist perspective, Elon musk is def not alpha. Lacks the raw masculinity and swagger, is on the autism spectrum, and has some very blue pill inner game.
However, the dude has some definite alpha traits. Ubermensch-tier intellect, business savvy, performance under stress, an inner fire and drive to make his mark, vision/mission, an executor of plans, etc.
Also, despite his elite genetics wife teasing him, there’s also a video of her saying “he makes me quake” (referring to his business and science prowess) and looking admiringly at him.
Now due to some of his remaining blue pill mindset, he cannot hold onto a wife, and the one wife Talula also sorta treats him like a beta, and instinctually feels like she should be with a more outwardly animalisically masculine/dominant guy, rather than supreme sperglord musk.
But hey, at the end of the day, he spread his genes thru an elite tier genetics wife and has made his mark on his generation and on history and is pretty universally respected, a billionaire, master of his domain, etc.
Juggernaut_is_here 5y ago
He was incel level looks till he got perma hair transplant and Jaw surgery, Human growth hormones (his head is huuge)
https://cdn4.techly.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/peter-thiel-elon-musk-799x423.jpg
greenlittleman 5y ago
Sorry to disappoint, but being intelligent and rich aren't alpha traits, but provider traits. It is cool to be intelligent and rich, but for female instinctual emotion those traits aren't alpha.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Have to disagree. Women find wealth sexy because it means power and status, which do tap into female instinctual emotion.
Women also consistently rate intelligence as a highly desirable mate trait. It just has to be expressed in a masculine dominance way, not nerdy beta way.
Essentially any trait that conveys superiority is attractive to women.
Wealth and intellect can be wielded by a male in both a beta way and an alpha way.
greenlittleman 5y ago
How many women find Bill Gates or Elon Musk sexy? Compared to Brad Pitt?
For our primal brain resources not equal to status or power. If you are dominant, have muscles and other people obey your commands then emotionally you will be perceived as someone of high status and power. You don't understand - perception is subjective. For some random schoolgirl coolest guy from her school would be more attractive than some millionaire CEO. =\
You forget what woman have short term sexual strategy for getting good genes and long term for getting good provider. Having a lot of resources is very good for provider, but it is actually unattractive for good genes, IDK why exactly, but it is a fact which was proven with some researches as well. When women choose short term mate they actually avoid businessmen, guys with good work, etc (exception is "cool" type of work like being pro athlete or being famous actor). They rather bang jobless criminal if he looks cool to them.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
I don’t misunderstand. I know perception is subjective and deeply contextual. But having wealth and power is sexy to woman.
See the confusion is that some guys rely on merely wealth etc to attract women. The women quickly perceive that they are using it in a beta manner and slot them as providers.
However, a dude with wealth can also attract a woman if he doesn’t make a bitch of himself and actually has some swag. It’s about how you own your shit. Wealth and status can be wielded in both alpha and beta ways.
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Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
You confuse the trait descriptors “alpha” and “beta” with the mentality descriptors “red/blue pill”.
Elon Musk is a high-value male who exhibits some alpha and some beta traits. What he definitely is, however, is bluepilled.
MCFiletMignon 5y ago
cept for his position at some of his companies of course.
Mentally he seems rather bluepill though. Let's hope het gets some sense.
no_delay1 5y ago
There were previous posts in TRP about how he is massively Beta. Just check his track record with ladies. Total provider and the girls don't respect him.
red2hilt 5y ago
come on - nothing alpha? like, he doesn't have any kind of mission in life nor does anyone do what he says? he can't make plans and execute on them? he has no followers? people don't shut up when he talks?
come on, I get what you're saying but he certainly has some of the strongest alpha qualities due to executing on a mission. It's not like he inherited his wealth. he executed on his own ideas, with followers falling in line to follow his leadership. after he proved himself.
tolerantman 5y ago
Women who fuck Elon Musk are doing it for money and status, that would be like saying any whoremonger is "alpha" because of all the prostitutes he fucked.
LucidTramontane 5y ago
Then that means that women are dysgenic. Them considering someone "alpha" means nothing in the end and they wrongly attribute it to attractive male despite many of them not having any goals or fire in them.
-Radical_Edward 5y ago
Women are dysgenic, that's the whole point of striping them of all rights and giving it to their father. Their brain is wired to hunter gatherer times where it actually worked well.
tolerantman 5y ago
Women fuck the alpha and trick the beta into paying her bills. It's the Alpha fucks, beta bucks. Getting pussy through money is a beta provider strategy.
brotein_synthesis 5y ago
Totally. If whoremongers had net worth 22 billion.
tolerantman 5y ago
The difference is that whoremongers fuck more and better, and spend less money on whores.
Not to mention they don't cry over their whores "breaking up" with them, LMAO
NextBad 5y ago
Alpha in this context is how women view you in a relationship, they don't see money and think Alpha, they see money and think provider, Elon Musk is a good beta, he works hard, and follows the rules.
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RealisticKiwi 5y ago
According to the wiki he had 6 children, 1 died. He had several young and good looking gf/wife. Most young people knows his name. He is probably more alpha than 99% of the “plate spinning” part of this sub.
LeftHookTKD 5y ago
So beta providers are now alpha just because they get pussy? Lmao
LucidTramontane 5y ago
Same can be said for an "alpha".
LeftHookTKD 5y ago
Being "alpha" is a mindset and has nothing to do with possessions. Yes the tall, rich, in shape, high T guys naturally have the mindset so theyre naturally alpha, but guys like Musk are beta providers.
tolerantman 5y ago
Time to grab some money and start hiring prostitutes, I can't wait to be as alpha as Elon Musk!
derex 5y ago
And his ex wives are millionaires.
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Nicolas0631 5y ago
This always come to that at some point. The thing is a real alpha (here somebody of power) isn't stupid and he knows that he is more efficiant by hidding his action. Think the 48 laws of power. So of course you'll not find most people of power or the extent of their power because they are hidden. Also, many of the people that appear to hold lot of power are often just figureheads.
NextBad 5y ago
This is just making excuses for your own ego, Yeah Elon Musk is hiding it really well, throwing baby fits and threatening to fire employees randomly, managers are saying don't even walk past Elon Musk office or you might get fired, this abuse of power and man child action don't show Alpha.
SO what is he hiding? It's clear you don't even understand the basic of red pill
Nicolas0631 5y ago
That's interresting isn't it ? How would you suppose a guy that put tamtrum, act as a child and mary and divorse many wifes in a short amont of time would fare? What more a guy that invest and create company that make no money or run at a deficit ?
He should fare poorly by all account, no ?
The guy was from a wealthy family in South africa and in no way rich in billions. He managed to sell it first video game at age 12. He still managed to start a Phd in physics, get Canadian then US nationality, to create and sell Paypal and to become one of the richest men worldwide.
Actually his fortune increased 10 fold in the last 6 years (2012 to 2018). He also received many distinction as being in the top 100 of most influencial people in the world, best CEO and alike. He even managed to be an advisor to Trump. For 2018 this guy is considered in the top 25 of most influencial people.
By all account, he managed to have many wifes without it costing too much and his women look to be all with quite succeful in life and good looking.
By all accounts, the guy is among the most alpha you can ever be. Be it on his dealing with women, his intelligence, his capacity to manage business and to influence people worldwide. This guy is more powerfull overall than many state figureheads.
I don't like him, and like you , I don't see how he can convince so many people. Still he does it repeatidly, he manage to get thousand of investor to given him their money. He can mary/divorse who he want, change of pussy at will and still keep his net worth increasing at incredible pace.
By all objective account he is on the apex, but you still think him beta, that maybe the best proof that he hide it well.
LucidTramontane 5y ago
Exactly. So those men that I know who are in the army, who are warriors, who haven't taken advancement because they love their craft of killing, and are hard as fuck, beta because women aren't attracted to them? Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. Being alpha isn't whatever it is female think, people get the definition wrong in the first place alpha in the traditional sense is someone who leads and takes care of the pack. Period. Sick and tired of these retards with obvious female frames coming in here and dictating what is or is not alpha. Mods do your job and gatekeeper.
NextBad 5y ago
> The guy was from a wealthy family in South africa and in no way rich in billions. He managed to sell it first video game at age 12. He still managed to start a Phd in physics, get Canadian then US nationality, to create and sell Paypal and to become one of the richest men worldwide.
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He is smart, not A Alpha, if Women wanted Intelligence nerds would be drowning in pussy
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> By all account, he managed to have many wifes without it costing too much and his women look to be all with quite succeful in life and good looking.
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Getting divorce multiple times is not something to be proud of
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> . Be it on his dealing with women
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Dating pop stars and getting dumped , saying he is lonely , going to sex parties (He is paying bro), he ain't Alpha, He is like Tesla, A beta that does good so people like him as a friend and to get money from.
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> By all objective account he is on the apex
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Buying women isn't the Apex, beside most of us aren't here to learn to make massive amounts of money to buy women, we want genuine affection and that doesn't come from money
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NextBad 5y ago
> Generally women can smell out who is high status or not which makes me believe alpha men do not need social tricks or even genuinely try hard to get women. Their status seduces for them.
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Game isn't a social trick, game is the rules and the mating ritual
plumo123 5y ago
Alpha vibe is a manifestation of the alpha traits. You either remain being alpha, move in and out of it for various reasons or are beta.
There is no singular definition of an Alpha male. You have different societies, traditions, societal expectations and also choices of women. Alpha could be defined as the most socially successful male in a given societal group. If you had 3 men in a room, one was a blue pilled white knight, the second one was a regular guy and the third was confident, attractive and assertive, the third guy would be the alpha lf that specific group.
Normally you'd think Elon Musk is a total alpha. Now pair him up with Vlad Putin. Two completely different societies, two men, both of them alphas in their own environments yet when paired, the dynamics can change and most likely Vlad would be the alpha due to his power.
PUA is not wrong. It is an attempt to get you laid by utilising human psychology knowledge, changes in your demeanor and behaviour. All of these are in some form traits. Whether they are Alpha depends on whether the changes make you more socially attractive.
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
It can and does work but it is not a concrete way to approach women and not what alphas do.
You cant pretend to be alpha the same way you cannot pretend to be Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping. They both play unique roles that cannot be mimicked. They also need to have approval of the system they are operating in to rule. In my understanding PUAs generally start outside of the Matrix and infiltrate in. This makes them not alpha. Putin was endorsed by the KGB so he by nature is an alpha in the matrix.
greenlittleman 5y ago
You don't understand what people evolved in what we are now tens thousands years ago - so being successful by modern definition doesn't mean what you are alpha.
For the most part human females decide if you are alpha or not based on how you act around them (other factors secondary, specially if she lack any info about you other than looks) - main thing they want to determine is if you have a lot of options (pre-selection), how dominant you are and if you consider her of lower value than yours. PUA tries to emulate behaviour of someone who have abundance of women and pre-selected by them - so this works. But emulating behaviour isn't as easy as people think - there are body language and other unconscious factors what are hard to control - so women shit test us to see if we have real abundance of other women, dominant and consider her as inferior to us in social hierarchy.
So guy who have good genetics (high, muscular, handsome, etc) and act like an alpha male would be much more attractive for female short term sexual strategy than some billionaire beta guy like ELon Musk. =\
JamesSkepp 5y ago
PUA is not "wrong". PUA is simpler, incomplete system of m-f dynamics, predating TRP.
It's like saying propeller planes are wrong b/c we have jet planes now.
You could if you wanted. Not that we here endorse this type of bahaviour, but in principle TRP is a toolbox and it depends on you how you use the tool.
redpillcad 5y ago
Solid analogy. Hammers are perfect for some tasks and inadequate for others.
PUA is just seduction skills. By itself it isn't good nor bad. PUA to find your one and only unicorn is retarded. PUA to fuck a hot blonde that turns you on is useful. PUA isn't a lifestyle it's a skillset
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
Im saying the purpose of PUA is not to climb the ladder but to destroy the system from within.
JamesSkepp 5y ago
PUA is operating as much within the system as the non-PUA "normies".
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Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
Leonardo DiCaprio cannot be PUA because he is a poster boy for the Matrix.
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Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
Cant wait for a PUA president.
KeffirLime 5y ago
The primary purpose of PUA is to satisfy a biological desire, any other consequences are secondary.
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
TRP is ideological and PUA is a tool to corrupt a system it is opposing.
KeffirLime 5y ago
A secondary consequence.
There's no puppeteers stirring pots, rubbing their hands together, dispensing PUA as tool to oppose the system.
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
The ones rubbing the hands are the system. This can explain why churches don't enforce marriages anymore because you're not marrying a catholic/protestant marriage but a kabbalah one where Veronica takes the kids. So in essence the kabbalah people are enforcing their marriage system.
KeffirLime 5y ago
The system is an organic progression that feeds off human nature.
The churches can't enforce marriage anymore because they can't convince an information rich population that they're doomed to an eternity in hell if they get divorced.
More information means fiction becomes less plausible, meaning fiction has less pull on how we behave.
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
The point of marriage is to have an "until death apart" moment where the wife dies in middle of the birth of her 8th child not a "Veronica took the kids" moment. Men are entering into marriage to get a divine marriage not a kabbalah and materialistic marriage.
Or maybe western values have been replaced with materialistic values?
KeffirLime 5y ago
They're duping themselves by holding onto outdated idealisms that aren't adequately molded to modern society.
They have, but it's an organic process. Religion held many western values together.
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tempolaca 5y ago
I would like to be 1% of the alpha that Elon Musk is. He fucks models, actresses, rock stars, is changing the world though his business. Yes he's somewhat crazy but I would like to be a little like him, and not be like, say, Larry Ellison, a Machiavelic Alpha billionarie that basically do nothing and probably nobody of you ever heard of him.
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circlingldn 5y ago
I would rather be 50 cent then elon musk 100x over
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Ellison may be powerful but everybody who knows him hates his guts. An ex-GF worked for him and had to put up with his shit for several years. He's one of those guys who seems to get off on yelling at people and generally being an entitled cunt.
tempolaca 5y ago
Yeah I worked for him also. You can see he's an asshole just because of his punchable face.
What I say is, Ellison is more like the ideal Alpha male that is popular around here. I don't think you want to be like him. You want to be more like Elon. When he goes anywhere he's the fucking star, that's being alpha.
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
If you want to be Elon Musk you might as well be Kim Kardashian because you're basically getting fucked by material relativism.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
You better not say that around here without a trigger warning.
The Red Pill has never clearly defined a lot of things, which is why there is so much contradictory information around here. Because this is a forum about sexual dynamics, I made an attempt to define Alpha purely in terms of sexual dynamics and got beaten to a pulp. So whatever. There's really no point in trying to discuss these issues. The community has settled on its vague definition and that isn't going to change.
As to this the topic at hand, the PUA community is mostly snake oil salesmen as should be obvious to everyone. Unlike TRP, there is no empirical basis for PUA and plenty of reason to believe that "success" attributable to it is nothing more than an artifact of external factors. TRP developed because the real thought leaders like Rollo perceived the massive shortcomings of PUA.
There are many piece of shit Alphas out there like Saville or Harvey Weinstein. Yes they're Alpha, but they don't understand the concept of genuine desire. And maybe they don't care about that, but Weinstein for sure would have a happier life right now if he did.
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
According to Arktos head specialist of mythology Harvey Weinstein is very moral and upright person according to his culture because Jewish mythology is all about "cuckolding the white race".
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latinasonly 5y ago
im a throw my take on this discussion out there. these are my defenitions
alpha - the highest or higher up males in a social setting.
attractive man - a man who has a powerful masculine prescene - created by a combination of looks , physical and mental strength, and the respect he recieves in an environment
social tension - a social situation where tension arrises - asking a girl out , telling someone to stop bothering you , bothering someone , negotiating a business transaction , being detained by the police , getting robbed, robbing someone
PUA teaches boys to mimic the behavior of an attractive man. the body language , tone of voice , confidence , eye contact. it also teaches to approach , approach , approach
is it bad ? no. however it does not adress the core problem with "betas" directly . the core problem is social weakness - inability to deal with social tension. in the west much social tension has been drastically from society . this is good in that we have safer countries to live in but it comes at the cost - we have weaker people . people who are heavily immersed in academia or god forbid video games or anime do not deal with much social tension.
why are criminals , thugs , and hard asses so attractive ? they are masters of dealing with social tension.
however , cold approaching the way pickup recommends is immersion in social tension . thats why RSD and such say approach approach approach. however, it would make more sense to toughen a kid up first - and then send him to do pickup .
also once a guy begins to gain competence in piclul he will impress some of the guys around him and begin to gain some respect - the cornerstone of alpha - respect
the idea behind routines is to give these fggots and pssies something to say so that they can focus on not loosing there composure instead.
niell straus once said in his book "after learning pickup normally stressful situations like dealing with my landlord , became simple "
My view - learn how to deal with your landlord , deal with people assertively when necessary , stand your ground , how to be unshaken by moderate ammounts of social tension THEN go try pickup. behave in a way that commands respect. the body language and all that sh*t will come naturally .
i noticed after going through hard shit and dealing with problems that would arise in life , i would go do pickup and suddenly be much better at going up to girls , even when i had not done much cold approach in months
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latinasonly 5y ago
a gamer might have a lot of respect in his environement - hence he can be attractive . I think gamers in korea are probably not socially deficient for there culture, as is common among gamers in the USA. The US is notorious for a lack of social interaction among people, so people heavily immersed in less social pursuits often do not get their necessary dose of socialization. indian graduate students i meet born in india are significantly more social than the average indian american kids in academia.
for purposes of my discussion, i do not consider eastern europe or asia the west. i have not been to western europe, but i have met many western european tourists and they are very social, much more on average than the USA. to my understanding in western europe you are unlikely to be hassled on the street or regularly argue with vendors about a price
does western Europe have the incel , sociapath and "beta" phenomena we have in the USA? as i understand , canada has this issue as well . there is a little bit of this in mexico , but it is FAR less widespread
also, the effiminate men phenomena is almost exclusive to academia and white collar (or mamas basement) environements in the US. masculinity is alive and well in blue collar environments.