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I was recently watching Blue Planet (great documentary) and it really put Hypergamy into perspective.

Nature is fucking brutal

Every species is locked in a constant struggle for survival. Kill or be killed, eat or be eaten. This is the environment we evolved in. Ice ages, volcanoes, predators, disease, drought. As a species, man has gone through the ringer. We clawed our way to the top of the food chain and bent Nature to our purpose through sheer intellect and power of will.

One of the biggest factors that has allowed mankind to survive and even thrive in such a horrific environment is Hypergamy. Hypergamy is a feature of our species, not a flaw.

Imagine that you had been able to control the development of our species throughout natural history. But the only thing you get to control is which males the females want to fuck. If you were competent, you would design female preferences that would match up closely with Hypergamy. You would select for the biggest, tallest, strongest, healthiest, most masculine males. This is like a football game where the stakes are literally life and death and extinction. You would select for the most dominant alpha males to play for Team Human. You wouldn't care about the guy who was just the greatest friend a girl could have, who was caring and attentive and frightened of his own shadow. You would skip his weakling ass and take Chad, the 6' leader who doesn't piss himself when its time to kill a sabertooth tiger.

Part of the confusion that we rational-minded men have about women's sexual preferences is the way they seem to choose mates that are bad for them. Can't she see what a jerk he is? Can't she see that he is a selfish turd who will make her life miserable? When you zoom out, female preferences make a lot more sense. It isn't about what will make her happy. It is about which genes will give her offspring (and by extension the human species) the best chance of survival.

The unfortunate truth about hypergamy (and natural selection in general) is that most males don't make the cut. When you are a nice guy who is just waking up to the Red Pill and staring down the barrel of female sexual selection, it is easy to get mad at women and hypergamy. It is easy to be resentful and wish that things were different than how they are. Why can't she love me for who I am on the inside? Why can't she see how happy I would make her if she gave me a chance? Why can't she overlook my physical shortcomings/ lack of resources and see what a great guy I am? Being rejected by a female is extremely uncomfortable- Nature has judged you and found you inadequate for reproduction ... that is the core of sexual rejection. Your seed is weak and nature does not want it to reproduce. What a painful truth to confront. No wonder so many of us get angry or depressed. No wonder so many men go MGTOW- they already know that they will lose this game, so they prefer not to play and pretend like its their choice to opt out of reproduction.

However, you can outgrow the anger and depression. You can start to see hypergamy for what it is and rise to the challenge.

All the things that hypergamy selects for are good for your development as a man. Lift heavy weights to make yourself stronger. Read books to make yourself smarter. Create a strong frame and be more dominant. Stop avoiding conflict and stand up for yourself. Take charge of your life and take the lead. Build a network of men you respect. Climb the social hierarchy. Kill it in your career and make lots of money. Take women off of the pedestal and stop taking them so goddamn seriously. Act like you've got some fucking balls. All the things that help you get pussy are the things that make you a better man. And I mean "better" in the practical sense, not the modern abstract "better" where you think you're a great man because you've never cheated on a test or been in a fistfight.

TLDR- Hypergamy has helped our species to survive through a long evolution in a brutal environment. Embrace it

[-] Dash_of_islam 111 Points 4 months ago

Well to be fair. Hypergamy is only ok if most men are lazy shits and we can overtake them.

Imagine if Red Pill spreads too much and everyone starts trying to work hard. Then biological differences would magnify.

  • high IQ would over take in degrees
  • tallest would be overshadowing the short
  • those who build muscle fastest and juice become the most buff
  • those who have brains more adept at charisma would out smooth talk the competition
  • those with Rich ass parents could leverage circles the rest don't even know exist to get opportunities in monopolies

So let's not pretend like hypergamy just means you gotta get off your ass. It is doable for us, but only because most men are pathetic. It wants the best and if everyone tried, WE WOULD LOSE. Let's be honest. We are all on Red Pill since we are not naturally alphas and dominant. We had to be taught something others don't need and if they worked their ass off, they would win.

There is only so much space at the top before the bar moves up, it's not statistically possible for everyone to be the best lol.

But it's good motivation nevertheless to improve your lot in life

[-] warlordchad 47 Points 4 months ago

Dude, I wouldn’t worry—most men are too lazy and will never care to work hard enough to be red pill. But even if they did, in many ways it would be a better, more productive, more orderly society.

Part of the reason women get away with being overly picky, squirrelly, and ridiculous in their sex lives is that there are so many pathetic blue pill goons out there, they can have their pick. In the the end they won’t be happy with said dude, but in the moment they don’t care—it’s a dick and a warm body to sleep next to.

If more guys actually didn’t put up with that shit and bed down and LTR the first THOT that comes their way, girls couldn’t just automatically rely on a huge pool of men to save them from their carousel riding days. Right now a huge problem for men is that women today are bathing in so much male attention and validation, the implication is that they can take men for granted, lowering our value.

Obviously TRP helps to counter this, as we offer women what they truly want and desire—an alpha man who’s physically and mentally dominant. The problem is that society tells them that what they really should want is a beta male they can marry and have kids with. This is key: women evolved to be hypergamous—yes—but they also evolved to CONFORM TO THE SOCIAL DYNAMICS OF THE TRIBE.

Girls want to fit in—this is why they all rush out to buy the latest fashions, post trite pictures on Instagram (holidays are the worst), and why so many beautiful girls are with absolute losers. Because society only truly accepts girls who are in LTRs or are married to Billy Beta, who she’s currently whipping into a pool of mush.

The fact so many men out there are willing to offer them that is actually bad for us, IMO.

[-] redpillcad 17 Points 4 months ago

most men are too lazy and will never care to work hard enough to be red pill.

Yes but not just lazy. They are ego invested in the blue pill so even if they wanted success and had the horsepower to achieve it....they cant. They wont see TRP as the solution to protect themselves from the pain of time wasted.

Smart men burn the past to the ground and look forward

[-] Howdoiusesync 2 Points 4 months ago

To piggie back on this idea it's true.

[-] redpill77 2 Points 4 months ago

Yes, but what if the truth were known. Would we find ourselves just going through a cycle of increased competition to segregate again into winners and self-deceivers? If men knew their only chance at being a proper person was to fight and win, there would be a lot more fighting, at least for a while.

It honestly feels like the enjoy-the-decline sentiment actually is not cynical at all, we are lucky that men are weakened. Some of us are only able to make it into the top 20% or men because of the edge the rep pill gives us. Obviously it is bad for society as a whole, but maybe society isn't something that can ever be stable.

[-] redpillcad 5 Points 4 months ago

There is no decline. This is the way it has always been. Men are disposable and women are perishable.

Its clown world to pretend differently

[-] BorrowedSunshine 1 Point 4 months ago

“Men are disposable and women are perishable”

oof that quote hits hard

[-] lobstergenocide 2 Points 4 months ago

In a weird way, enjoying the decline is actually kind of hopeful, or at least empowering. Most of us wouldn't be here in the first place if we were the natural top 20% alpha males that move and shape society, but the laziness and stupidity of the bluepilled masses actually makes it possible for us to rise to the top through sheer power of will. So I guess it's not so much enjoying the decline as harnessing and using it for our own purposes.

[-] MeToo2020 1 Point 4 months ago

Turns out that pulling competitors down in crabs-in-a-bucket style is vastly more energy efficient than bettering yourself - hence the many backstabbing white knights (ditto for girl on girl cat fighting).

[-] Dash_of_islam 6 Points 4 months ago

Yeah I agree. I was just playing devil's advocate that IF everyone really took it seriously (which won't happen, hell 70% of the population can't even stay in a healthy weight let alone get swole) most of us would be fucked and would have to stick to prostitutes or get sloppy seconds

[-] redpill77 1 Point 4 months ago

Yes! Girls think they need to be independent because that's what society wants. It seems like Anti-Dependence-Defense comes into play almost more than Anti-Slut-Defense.

In my city fuck buddies are more normal than relationships, women talk more openly about their sex lives than men.

[-] chazthundergut 11 Points 4 months ago

But it has always been like this. The top 20% get to reproduce. Hypergamy keeps pushing the bar up, and we men keep rising to the challenge. Well, the best of us do- the rest give up because it is too hard.

This is what took our species from scavenging the grasslands to walking on the moon.

Females keep scooping the top layer, the cream of the crop, and reproducing with them. And yes, by design most men are not included. What will you do about it?

[-] lala_xyyz 6 Points 4 months ago

But it has always been like this. The top 20% get to reproduce.

It hasn't been like that for hundreds of generations, when the population has been 99.9% smaller than today. We are no longer in the cavemen society. Monogamous marriage has been "invented" by all countries around the globe for a simple reason - it's the optimal group survival strategy. Societies built on harems and with a surplus of young horny men without children implode very quickly.

[-] Dash_of_islam 3 Points 4 months ago

True. Even most of TRP probably doesn't lift (most basic and one of first commandments).

I was just pointing out that if everyone starting working balls to the wall, we wouldn't even stand a chance

[-] Nicolas0631 9 Points 4 months ago

Edit: this isn't at all how it happen in reality. Most men do reproduce and have offpsring.

Maybe true, among TRP practionners there are guys that never manage to convince a women to go with them and a few other that don't want to loose their time with them. These will not reproduce.

But even a divorsed beta that took the TRP and made some child before will transmit his DNA.

[-] lord-denning 7 Points 4 months ago

Incorrect, genetic evidence indicates that there are far more mothers than fathers in our genetic history. People were not pairing up, in our genetic stream there are less men that were connecting with women, and in some points in our history far less men. Obviously I’m laying this out in general terms but the scientific evidence is there and makes the masses quite uncomfortable.

[-] Nicolas0631 1 Point 4 months ago

I speak of today and recent history. This is quite different than things thousand of years ago.

[-] Dash_of_islam 3 Points 4 months ago

Right but with the looking automation revolution where 47% job are automated. That's a lot of men who are fucked.

Women will always have value because of their clam. Now the super rich can have harems and the women would love it since they would have a decent quality of life vs starving with unemployed guys

[-] MrCongeniality1 3 Points 4 months ago

We had to be taught something others don't need and if they worked their ass off, they would win.

Intelligence, motivation, and resilience are all evolutionary traits that are more important than height and brawn.

[-] Dash_of_islam 3 Points 4 months ago


Adopting a different world view that is painful at first is an important skill.

Most people's egos would drive them to push it under the rug and not face the cognitive dissonance but it takes a strong man to be willing to admit he was wrong and adapt to his new understanding.

[-] Synthetic_Citizen 3 Points 4 months ago

Excuses. Hypergamous selection is an instinct, a female core prime directive, it is not an ideology or a social constuct. As with any core instinct, it compells us to take action in a specific direction, a prime direction designed to benefit not only us but the wellfair of our species. These instinctive compulsions drive us subconsciously, we are not meant to be aware of the compulsion itself, only the direction in which it compells.

For example, you have a girlfriend, another guy flirts with her openly infront of you, what would you do? Your prime directive would compell you to take physical action and display your dominance to both the the girlfriend and the rival male. If you choose to ignore the compulsion to obey your prime directive you will find tremeandous difficulty in doing so, you dont know what compells you to feel this way, only that it is what you are supposed to do.

In this day and age there is a fraction of a percentage of the population that is truly self aware of instinctive core prime directives and its purpose, and that fraction of a percentage is far more of a percentage than the human race has ever had before. Yet it is still a minute fraction. Why such a large ignorance to awareness ratio when it is so much more beneficial to be aware? Because our ego prevents us from accepting a reality where we are not the star of the show, to be aware is to come to terms with our own insignificance and inadequacies. Most people violently reject and lash out at such truths, and will choose suicide and delusion over such knowledge. Why? It is once again core instinct at work. The ego will not allow awareness without the kind of pain and anguish few people can overcome psychologically.

This is why people obey their instinctive compulsions without really being aware of them. Instinctive prime directives are meant to compell COVERTLY and never to be deciphered. Hypergamy is no exception.

These are simply my observations, never the less in so saying, I infer that the possibility of a large portion of the human population becoming truly self aware of instinctive prime core directives such as female hypergamous selection is highly unlikely. Most of the population will succumb to their own instinctive compulsion to preserve their own ego or go insane before they accept reality. Believe it or not we are a large portion of all the truly self aware people there is and it is unlikely to grow unless the human race suddenly becomes a lot more robotic.

[-] Dash_of_islam 1 Point 4 months ago


I was postulating that IF!!!! the Red Pill began to spread like feminism did in the 20th century, and every man starts focusing on self improvement, and learning game, and becoming outcome independent etc...

Then our biological differences between each man would be the only difference, and THEN it would be nearly impossible to rise above others.

Luckily it is not, it was a thought experiment since most of us were either AFC or betas before we got the Pill

[-] Synthetic_Citizen 2 Points 4 months ago

Yes, i see. It is definitely plausible that a red pill fad could spread and snowball into popular belief, im not sure how but i could think of a few reasons such as a global catastrophe or even war. However, historically the human psychological attraction to fads, trends and ideology is heavily based if feel good and self gratifying emotion and not in difficult truths. Usually if its not instantly gratifying its rejected fiercely. Though a social experiment in this regard would be quite entertaining

[-] Dash_of_islam 1 Point 4 months ago

Yeah it'll never happen.

It is just a reminder that we have an opportunity to reach our potential and among a bunch of lazy turds we would be twice the failures for receiving the message and not capitalizing on it.

Billy betas have the excuse that no one ever taught em the truth, but we can only blame our laziness after we start to get some results and becoming complacent

[-] JamesSkepp 3 Points 4 months ago

Even if all men start applying RP rules to themselves and become top alphas, hypergamy will still select the best, so it doesn't matter if the competition is between 2 soyboys or 2 powerlifters, in each pair only one can be the best (more attractive subjectively to her).

Whether the notion of hypergamy motivates you to become more attractive or not, you're only changing the quality whom you're competing with, not decreasing the amount of competition.

[-] redpill77 2 Points 4 months ago

When talking about hypergamy's effect on society, we should remember that the only reason our competition/other men is weak is because they live a pathetic hateful existence. If we really had the healthy society, with everyone loving themselves, it would mean all men feel valued, and that probably means they get sex. If we laid it all out, would we agree that all men deserve love, if it means all men deserve sex; hypergamy would not fit and would have to be heavily controlled. Perhaps this is a possibility. Perhaps even desirable. We should ask ourselves at that point if we want to go against nature, here.

[-] Dash_of_islam 1 Point 4 months ago

Oh come on.

You would rather be on a deserted island with 50/50 men to women.

Or 90% women and 10% men and the men were all useful. Like you wouldn't want a harem if there were no downsides.

Look up the Sultans of Turkey, poor Europeans would send their daughters to be concubines since they lived in a Palace and in exchange had to help with upkeep and give the king children. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of women went there voluntarily and even by modern standards had a pretty good life. And with all the concubines, I don't the king had to force any individual woman if she was not in the mood. Plus imagine the Hypergamy, they were throwing themselves at him

[-] redpill77 2 Points 4 months ago

Yea, but my point was resting on the assumption that a perfect society has everyone happy. Perhaps the only possible perfect society has a drastic minority of men to women, like 1:10. Or I think all male would work too, until death.

[-] Dash_of_islam 1 Point 4 months ago

Oh I see. Yes, we are in agreement

[-] MeToo2020 2 Points 4 months ago

The reason why no runaway selection (aka "the bottom dying away") happens is because the kids get half of the genes of the mother, which is mostly selected for by healthy looks and negatively for masculine traits. Sometimes masculine traits in a mother produce more masculine boys because males (especially effeminate ones) can not afford to be picky enough to find her inadequate for reproduction.

[-] Dash_of_islam 1 Point 4 months ago

So we know there is a bigger variability in men's intelligence for example than women, even if they get half the genes from Mom (usually average IQ). Why wouldn't the contribution of high IQ from men slowly increase the average intelligence over generations??

Since you keep selecting for the best for the men's side and all the women are average. If you keep taking the best and random mutations make the men EVEN smarter over 10s of 1000s of years.

Why wouldn't it keep making us better until the brain becomes too big for the head for example???

[-] MeToo2020 3 Points 4 months ago

Supposedly wealth (correlating strongly with IQ) lasts only for 3 generations, i.e. after mixing in 3 times mediocre all exceptional is gone. Note that women were not able reject the bottom 80% until recently: maybe 70 years of welfare (3 generations); plus no-fault divorce since 1970 (just 2 generations) - before that no husband meant poverty or death.

IQ was indeed increasing from 1950-1990 and then stalled but likely from better nutrition and schooling and probably less from adverse selection, see although they mention "negative correlation between fertility and intelligence"

[-] Dash_of_islam 1 Point 4 months ago

Thanks for the information

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[-] redpillcad 51 Points 4 months ago

Hypergamy shouldnt be seen as good or bad or beneficial or destructive.

It just is. Deal with it. It's the terrain.

Plan battles based on actual terrain and weather and opponents

Not some fairy tale

Lesser men than you and I have the physique, money, and bitches that most of us here want.

Get it by being in the real

[-] chazthundergut 9 Points 4 months ago

Well, I view hypergamy as good for the survival of our species the way men's horniness and willingness to fuck anything was good for the survival of our species

I dont mean good in moralistic terms.

But you are absolutely right- it simply is the terrain

[-] dropit_reborn 5 Points 4 months ago

good for the survival of our species

Sure, in the same way that it's good that sugar tastes good.

Hypergamy is as smart as evolution is, which is to say: fucking smart, and fucking retarded.

In society's current state it is a major disadvantage. For a society that understood it and planned around it, both by building up men and governing women, it would be a good thing.

[-] chazthundergut 2 Points 4 months ago

"In society's current state it is a major disadvantage"

Disadvantage for who?

[-] dropit_reborn 4 Points 4 months ago

Everybody. Men, women, children. I could list reasons, but you read the sub, you get it.

Please note: I'm not saying hypergamy is bad. I'm saying it causes a lot of problems when it and society are not correctly aligned.

"Hypergamy makes women attracted to superior men." ---all well and good. But what "superior" means will differ based on the situation. What works on the savannah doesn't work in the city. What works among thieves doesn't work in a society. And vice versa.

If you read Jim, one of his major complaints is that the way we do things increases the status of men who act the way we don't like, and hurts the status of men who act how we would like. This will not end well.

[-] p3n1x 2 Points 4 months ago

This will not end well.

Pessimism is never rewarded. You are whining hard. Fixing complex issues takes HARD WORK, not complaining about current affairs.

hurts the status of men who act how we would like.

How exactly are you affected? I have only experienced extremely positive returns by employing TRP philosophy, in overall life, not just women.

[-] SubstantialTension3 1 Point 3 months ago

Hypergamy is somewhat a disservice to the women that gamble poorly with it falling into the Peter effect(reaching failure or dump and pump) because once she gets at a high level of Hypergamy the mans smv will not allow him to stay loyal to any woman or his value is just higher than hers.Which during the time deceases her ability to pair bonding, increases single motherhood, which lessen the likely hood of her off springs having a great future.

[-] p3n1x 1 Point 4 months ago

I dont mean good in moralistic terms.

Acceptance, this holds true for any savage truth. Change the verbiage from "good" to "necessity".

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point 3 months ago

as good for the survival of our species

Natural selection does not promote the survival "of the species." It promotes the survival of the individual, or rather the genes carried by that individual.

[-] MeToo2020 6 Points 4 months ago


It is socially acceptable eugenics only allowed for women. Men are still shamed into marriage with undesirable women.

[-] redpillcad 7 Points 4 months ago

The socially accepted aspect is new. It's something you can spend your time fighting against but while you have the community blessing to follow your dreams you don't have our support.

We aren't trying to change the world. We offer tips for a single man to make changes to his world

[-] MeToo2020 1 Point 4 months ago

Not a SJW but strongly disagreeing with hypergamy not being destructive. If women would just casually move on to the next guy without leaving a trail of damage behind this subreddit would not even exit.

The person with the power in ANY relationship is the person who can say no - say no to marriage, no to commitment, no to gender quotas, no to paying the bill, no paternity fraud, no to giving unearned respect. This can not be done overt by males any more because law enforcement and white nights are thirsty to rescue damsels in distress, being gullible enough to expect a sexual reward.

Aggressive self preservation of women via hypergamy is amoral. The males only responsibility is to preserve himself from female hypergamy's destructiveness, preferably without resigning to self-removal from the gene pool like MGTOW and Japanese herbivore men do.

[-] JamesSkepp 2 Points 4 months ago

As if eugenics are bad.

[-] MeToo2020 1 Point 4 months ago

People started to hide segregation from "inferior people" with euphemism: unacceptable overt white flight turned into covert "moving to a better school district". Implied is that tax resources stay as close to the segregated group as possible and hoping that the bad neighborhoods die off by themselves, perhaps from lack of funds, police and education. The same people in good neighborhoods protesting for opening borders at daytime expect the police to remove yucky homeless and trailer dwellers to "preserve the character of the neighborhood" (translation: white middle class), at night, without alerting the media.

Cancer causing factories are also always acceptable in poor areas that have no activists fighting to keep house valuations up. While overt poisoning is unacceptable, neglect of environmental tests in poor areas isn't.

Indirectly removing bottom 80% man from gene pool by labeling them as undateable creeps is acceptable now - although effectively no different from sending them to war in the past to die elsewhere. Increasingly leftover women need heavy anxiety medication ending up on the receiving end (male marriage strike) of refusing to compromise for the benefit of kids in stable family. Certainly better overall than kids damaged from divorces.

Nature never cared of anything dying off. Just be aware that this can silently affect you now.

[-] BewareTheOldMan 2 Points 4 months ago

Men are still shamed into marriage with undesirable women.


DO NOT be shamed into this type of situation and DO NOT marry or produce children with undesirable women. The reason or reasons for their undesirability is NOT important. Women have to compete and overcame male hypergamy as well.

Let's not do this thing where men acquiesce to female hypergamy. Two can play the Hypergamy Game.

"Nature has judged you and found you inadequate for reproduction."

Equality is a good thing for this particular aspect of mating. Embrace it.

[-] FormerBlueFool 1 Point 4 months ago

It just is. Really resonated with me.

Hypergamy doesn't care if you embrace it or not.

[-] civilizedfrog 30 Points 4 months ago

I do not mind hypergamy. My problem is when the Government gets involved in relationship.

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[-] TheLaughingRhino 12 Points 4 months ago

Yes and No.


But it doesn't work that way.

How it works today is women can do whatever they want and men are still held to social conventions of "restraint" enforced by laws, the mass media/entertainment and Big Daddy State. In modern terms, women are using hypergamy like a bunch of greedy assholes.

For example, in modern society, we can't just go around killing each other. However in our natural violent state, if someone walked into your cave and tried to steal your food or mate with your cavewoman, he was going to die. In many cases, in human history, when the woman cucked the man and had someone elses kid, she died and the child died. Or they were ostracized and outcast which was a more polite death sentence ( No, I am NOT advocating any violence against anyone else or any specific woman or child , this is an objective point in a discussion of how humans naturally operate)

Whisper likes to close out his posts by saying if they could, the endorsed core would steal all our women and take our lunches. While I understand he's not being literal ( or is he...), he's making an objective point. Everyone has a motive, everyone has their own self interest in mind, question everything. But let's say Whisper decided to bang some wife of some dude here. If he wants sex, he's benefiting from hypergamy. If she wants sex from him, and she think instinctively his seed is superior for a child to survive, she benefits from hypergamy. But if Whisper doesn't get his throat cut by the husband, then society does not benefit.

Checks and balances. In order for hypergamy to function, it can't just function totally unchecked like it does now. Now someone like Whisper might calculate the odds. The one in a million chance of getting killed is less than the benefit of banging some dude's wife.

We are designed to fuck. We are designed to shit out babies. We are also designed to kill. We are great at killing things.

It's not just superior genetic material in terms of civilized baseline attraction attributes. It's also the superior genetic material of killers/those who could fight and survive.

For hypergamy to have it's full benefit, someone like Whisper would need to die for banging some dudes wife. She might end up pregnant with his kid. But in a functional system, with real checks and balances, her husband would line up Whisper's existing kids and one by one, cut their throats in front of him. Mentally break him. See how much he begged for which child. Then violated Whisper's wife, his sister, his mother, his adult daughters. Then kneecapped Whisper, gouged his eyes out, then skinned him. Then put his head on a pike in the town square as an example.

This is NOT advocating violence against anyone or their family. This is an objective discussion that we are built instinctively to fuck, breed AND KILL EACH OTHER.

Cavewomen always used hypergamy . AWALT right? But motherfuckers got stabbed with sharp bone points and their heads bashed in with rocks. It wasn't rampant and open and there needed to be STRATEGY on her end to make it work. The strategy meant the cunning and strategic use of hypergamy survived and those women and her kids survived. Having dumbass women having dumbass kids because society curbed all rules and basic expectations isn't furthering the human race.

UNCHECKED hypergamy does shit for our modern society.

Marriage, the still best pathway to raise a child under the current social structure, is total shit. Men have no power or authority in their marriages ( Married Red Pillers can feel free to stop the mantras right about here) Unchecked hypergamy sets up a system where children are not typically placed in a situation to learn the skills to survive and thrive and thus continue the survival long term of the human race. Many men who would make good fathers and pass on good genes are opting out ( many disgusted by the fact that they can't ensure the kid is theirs and do they want to buy the cow who gave the milk for free to 200 guys on Tinder first. Do you want that mouth to kiss your babies? The one that was wrapped around 200 random cocks before yours?)

This is the ego drive that often fuels the biggest mistake that Married Red Pillers make - the idea that "This is the super secret strategy on HOW TO WIN EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME!" It's called "Enjoy The Decline" for a reason. It's a decline. There is no win. There is no happy side to hypergamy. Unchecked hypergamy has no benefits. Easy sex with a low value roastie typical Tindered up Stacy slut, wow, such a benefit. A high quality man impregnating a ton of young high quality healthy women, where EVERYONE is forced to use smarts, cunning, strategy and always working against a constant game of survival/threat management, is a benefit to society and the survival of the human race.

Dropping a load on the face of a zero character emotionally bankrupt emotional terrorist wearing five pounds of makeup on her face and hiding a bunch of nasty wiggle in those yoga pants does not make you a motherfucking hero.

As long as someone like Whisper can bang someone's wife and not get his throat cut for it, something is wrong. Very wrong. It's unnatural.

[-] BewareTheOldMan 1 Point 4 months ago

men are still held to social conventions of "restraint" enforced by laws, the mass media/entertainment and Big Daddy State. In modern terms, women are using hypergamy like a bunch of greedy assholes.


Implement countermeasures to avoid and circumvent the state...DON'T let these greedy assholes win.

[-] omega_dawg93 1 Point 4 months ago

you spent a lot of time voicing opinions about whisper. idk what your anger is with that, but in my world, i don't get mad at men who TAKE what is being FREELY GIVEN to him.

hypergamy is checked when you leave her (and whisper) and kids that may or may not be yours and move on. she wanted more than you, taller than you, bigger cock than yours? why are you fighting to kill someone when she will likely do it again? you may end up fighting a LOT if you don't fix the root of the problem.

that bro code shit (with killing another man bc your girl GAVE him some pussy) is old & tired. let that bitch live with her decisions. YOU LEAVE HER! just leave. if whisper didn't rape, she held her own thighs up for him to have her.

the something that's wrong is the broad. it's very wrong... perhaps. but it's not un-natural for a woman to be hypergamous; it's very natural. that's who the fuck they are.

killing whisper won't fix or debug the firmware she's born with and can't avoid. violence against men doesn't make women act right. leaving her in the mess she created is how you curve her desire to do it again.

[-] Mangasbzo7 1 Point 4 months ago

This is an epic post. Fuck.

[-] slonkingdankmids86 10 Points 4 months ago

Monogamy is a central part of civilisation, without it we would be perpetually stuck in the stone age. Monogamy allows gives men an incentive to use their productivity benefit society, that incentive being guaranteed a mate. Most of the degeneration of society can be traced to the destruction of monogamy. Falling birth rates, men dropping out of society, etc. If you rob most men of having a relationship, what incentives are there to actually participate and contribute to society? A man can provide for just himself quite easily. Also you cannot change your genes, so a portion of the population will be always on the bottom no matter what they do to try and change their situation.

When enough men become disenfranchised and hopeless, the only option will be violence. The current order will be demolished and rebuilt into something better, or be overrun by stronger outsiders.

If you want better genetic quality, genetic engineering or light eugenics would be better if you prefer civilisation over stone age barbarism.

[-] balderdash351 9 Points 4 months ago

This is true on an individual level, but on a civilizational level hypergamy is destructive. Our civilizations are built on the back of a monogamous culture, which implicitly guarantees a mate for every hard working man. Once men wake up to the fact that this is no longer the case, they will let the system fall, which we can already see the beginnings of. Perhaps that is for the best in the long term, but IDK.

[-] StrongAttitude 3 Points 4 months ago

Betas build civilisation by proving themselves to gain respect.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 2 Points 4 months ago

Right. And the status hierarchy is determined by more than just genetic physicality. Since the patriarchy can determine the value system somewhat, and fathers choose or at least vet the mate choices of their daughters, you can essentially corral the behavioral norms of young men who want pussy into more civilized norms.

I noticed this from having be raised in (and then leaving) Mormonism. They not only have a patriarchal system, but a formalized one with specific gender roles and rules and the gold backing of God’s sanctioning (ultimate alpha authority in the minds of followers).

This leads to some absolute mormon women virgin smokeshows settling down and being happy with the most white bread family dudes. Why? Because they play the “correct” mormon social role, and therefore have the stamp of approval from the patriarchal authorities, acting in representation of God himself.

Consequently, betas “proving themselves” in such a social world leads to pro social behavior among betas which will get them laid, and enhances group fitness. Rather than Machiavellian or ruthless traits, which is necessary in a state of nature, or other social worlds.

It’s really interesting how a status-bestowing mechanism like a formal patriarchy can partially rewire the value system of the tribe leading to potentially better group outcomes.

[-] whatyoucallaflip 8 Points 4 months ago

All the things that hypergamy selects for are good for your development as a man. Lift heavy weights to make yourself stronger. Read books to make yourself smarter. Create a strong frame and be more dominant. Stop avoiding conflict and stand up for yourself. Take charge of your life and take the lead. Build a network of men you respect. Climb the social hierarchy. Kill it in your career and make lots of money. Take women off of the pedestal and stop taking them so goddamn seriously. Act like you've got some fucking balls. All the things that help you get pussy are the things that make you a better man. And I mean "better" in the practical sense, not the modern abstract "better" where you think you're a great man because you've never cheated on a test or been in a fistfight.

The confusing part, as this relates to hypergamy, is that none of this actually changes your genes. Your genes are what they are. Obviously it's effective as a strategy, but maybe the part of your genes that's being expressed is your ability to bring yourself to adapt to what is demanded by the circumstances.

Otherwise, the same genes would be just as desirable regardless of whether someone with good genes put in all the work or none of it.

[-] Nicolas0631 10 Points 4 months ago

The only thing hypergamy prevent today is beta to be happy with their wife.

But don't be fooled. 90% of male population is beta and most reproduce. If beta wasn't suitable for our specy, then it would have been long gone.

[-] whatyoucallaflip 6 Points 4 months ago

If beta wasn't suitable for our specy, then it would have been long gone.

Everyone can't be a leader. There have to be people to be led.

[-] Dash_of_islam 4 Points 4 months ago

Well girls care about looks, money, and status.

In our solipsism we think only looks Matter. But girls needed and aloha who could provide. If you are the tribe leader but not the strongest, you can provide food for the kid who will forward up healthy and pass on the genes vs a strong loner who no one likes who gets ganged up on.

Plus a skinny girl is always hotter than a fat girl even if they are identical twins. Smelling good has nothing to do with genes but it attracts the womenzzzzz

[-] chazthundergut 3 Points 4 months ago

Hypergamy knows that behavior is at least in some way encoded in our genes.

Think of something like dominance. That is a behavioral cue, and one of hypergamy's favorite traits to select for. Don't you think there are genetic markers associated with dominance?

Perhaps self-improvement is similar. What if the drive to improve oneself and win the game of life is effected by genes? That is a very reasonable assumption to make.

That all being said, there is no doubt that Hypergamy selects for epigenetic as well as genetic factors. Hypergamy is nothing if not practical. If a male with weak genes manages to amass a great deal of resources (even if simply by luck) Hypergamy will still select him for reproduction.

In the game of reproduction, it pays to be a winner

[-] Satou4 3 Points 4 months ago

Epigenetics may play a role here. This is the part of the DNA that is activated by a chemical tag which tells the body what it should express. It can be changed through diet, exercise, environmental pollution, and social experiences.

Your parents' childhood and adult experiences before having you actually influence your epigenome. For example, in one study, rats neglected their young, which created higher stress. The epigenetic markers that help regulate stress were turned off in the young through this experience, making it harder for them to deal with stress. The next generation may also inherit the worse stress response, because at some point those epigenetic marks will have to be removed or rewritten in order to develop a better stress response.

Essentially, if you're fucking up your own life, you are probably fucking with your epigenome in various ways that will make it harder for you to find success. Failure breeds failure. If you then have kids, they will start their lives with epigenetic disadvantages.

In the same way, you can choose to improve your epigenome through diet, exercise, meditation, and healthy social behaviors (and perhaps also hobbies and hard skills). If you can win at all of these separate games, you will eventually have a better epigenome, and your kids will benefit from the work you put into your own life.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 4 months ago

You’re misreading. The work ethic and drive is an expression of the genes themselves.

[-] bakamoney 7 Points 4 months ago

Its funny half the time this sub goes back to le tribal society example.

a) America is like 300y lmao

b) For like most of the history women rarely ever had any fucking choice who they fucked.

c) Population only exploded recently which means most communities were pretty fucking small. And take modern communication forms away; they probably knew like 10 legit guys their age to choose from. ( Again they rarely ever had the fucking choice to choose - think unicorn levels )

d) Hypergamy is a self defense tool for women. So if they loose option a they ride option b's dick. Thats it. Dont bring humanity's survival into it. Its a plain tactic they evolved for their own survival.

[-] KeffirLime 2 Points 4 months ago

"le tribal society" is our genetic wiring, it can be overridden with cultural influence but it does not mean it is not present.

Society either allows it to express itself or waters it down via social penalty.

Hypergamy for instance has been watered down for the last few centuries. As a women it was more dangerous for your survival to engage in it than if you didn't.

You'd be ostracized from society, your tribe, frowned upon by family and friends, possibly cut off and left to fend for yourself, which as a women in pre modern times was not exactly the easiest thing to do.

In modern society the penalties for engaging are no longer there, so our inherent nature is able to express itself more often.

[-] Aroundwork 2 Points 4 months ago

ts funny half the time this sub goes back to le tribal society example.

I do think it's a useful mindset to put yourself into. Understanding what life was like when the necessities of reality were imprinted in stone into our genetic code. Your points about how modern day life are so vastly different from 99% of our species existence is what makes this more important. The perspective of our ancestors is helpful in motivating you today.

Evolutionary psychology is a real field of study

[-] Nicolas0631 6 Points 4 months ago

Just to be clear, today most men do reproduce and most beta do it too.

The one that do not reproduce are the omega that never managed to convince a girl to get a child with them (even if that for their provider role only) and pure alpha guys unable to commit.

Most beta will at least manage to be divorse raped and to get a child that will force them to lend money to the mother for 18 years.

TRP mens here tend to advocate to not make children and to not commit to a woman because it isn't worth it. Theses mens do not reproduce and their DNA is lost for ever. Only if there were former beta do they had their chance to reproduce actually.

And this perfectly make sense. Today a beta provider is what we need: somebody that will care for the children. There no need to kill dangerous wildlife anymore, more to be kind and commited.

[-] BobbyPeru 3 Points 4 months ago

The unfortunate truth about hypergamy (and natural selection in general) is that most males don't make the cut.

Thus, beta bux, alpha fux is born.

The betas can still get the girl as she hits the wall, but she’ll never fuck him as passionately and frequently as Chad. Beta Bob won’t know the difference because he’s never had a woman passionately fuck him... matter of fact, he doesn’t know how to fuck properly, and she’s surely not going to tell him... so, one night on a girls night out, she’s ovulating, bumps into Chad, and accidentally falls on his cock. The next day everyone pretends they are good and happy, but Beta Bob is left with a continual feeling that things are just not quite right... but, he can’t put his finger on it. 9 months later, Chad Jr. is born, and the human race forges on... the survival of the fittest.

[-] Nicolas0631 2 Points 4 months ago

We don't care if there passion. Most beta do reproduce be it of being kind or whatever. Even if they get divorse raped etc, as long as they did impregnate her, they will transmit their DNA.

Only beta so uncessful to only get a post wall single mother that doesn't accept another childs will see their genes disapear.

The alpha will transmit his gene today ONLY if he can commit and accept to be with a woman long enough to make a child.


[-] Dash_of_islam 3 Points 4 months ago

Look at Denmark where some men are being recycled and some men NEVER have kids even though they want them.

Most societies were heavily influenced by religion but as we unrsvel them, there is still a lot of social inertia which sets our social norms.

It is slowly disappearing and we don't really know what will happen but the Scandinavian countries are showing it will get worse for those on the bottom and mit may just be the start.

We may not go back to 1 man for 17 women, but it happened less than 10000 years ago and with automation in the future we could get 1 man for 5 women

[-] lala_xyyz 5 Points 4 months ago

We may not go back to 1 man for 17 women, but it happened less than 10000 years ago and with automation in the future we could get 1 man for 5 women

Men will never allow that. Even if they do, the sons of those that did reproduce won't. Open hypergamy is a ticking time bomb that will result in women getting stripped of all reproductive rights, this time for good.

[-] Dash_of_islam 1 Point 4 months ago

I dunno dog. With the soyboys and porn and VR and video games and weed and possibly discounted prostitution and over prescribed ADHD meds they could contain men.

Low testosterone pussies don't revolt.

Look at Japan almost half of adults 25-35 are VIRGINS!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 2 Points 4 months ago

Yeah but such a situation won’t persist forever. It will create hard times which will force a reckoning and re introduction of social code.

[-] Dash_of_islam 1 Point 4 months ago

True, the will get outbred by some other society

[-] MeToo2020 1 Point 4 months ago

will result in women getting stripped of all reproductive rights

marriage strike of self aware alphas comes to mind

[-] Satou4 1 Point 4 months ago

You could just abort most of the sons to keep the female to male ratio strong. The opposite of what China did.

[-] General_Li 3 Points 4 months ago

OP I look forward to your next post about the benefits of terminal cancer

[-] chazthundergut 1 Point 4 months ago

If you believe that the basic female reproductive strategy is akin to terminal cancer then you're precisely the type of guy I wrote this post for. Too bad you didn't read it

[-] Bruchibre 3 Points 4 months ago

You miss a few things in your equations. AFBB because Chad has options: why would he stick to one woman when he can have 100, since they all want him? Therefore chances of survival reduce for single mothers, while for Beta Joe, it’s harder to reproduce without offering full time commitment. That why you observe girls in their teens being attracted by ripped tall guys while in their late 20s they start looking for a stable provider. They claim they mature, but their sexual strategy simply evolves.

[-] RainySeasonInPH 3 Points 4 months ago

I think you're missing the greater truth here, rule zero if you will: Which is that human being are so fantastically stupid that most of them still act like sex is for reproduction.

[-] chazthundergut 2 Points 4 months ago

Wait you think sex isnt for reproduction?

Do a few decades of sexual revolution negate a million years of biological history?


[-] RainySeasonInPH 1 Point 4 months ago

Do you go out to the bar to reproduce? How about Tinder? Swipe because you want a baby?

Have you ever, once, at any time in your entire life, fucked a woman with the deliberate intention of procreating?

[-] chazthundergut 1 Point 4 months ago

What difference does that make?

When I go to the bar I may not have the intention of procreating, but the biological hardwiring that dictates my preferences certainly does. I'm still looking for youth, a pretty face, full breasts, big butt; I am looking for fertility

Same with Hypergamy. The part of her brain that makes her pussy wet is 100% interested in procreation

[-] RainySeasonInPH 1 Point 4 months ago

No, you aren't. Nearly all women under the age of menopause are fertile. You are looking for fun. And so is she. Exactly 0% of anyone's brain is interest in procreation, unless they happen to be one of the minority with an impregnation fetish.

Evolution is not a driver, it's a filter. And so far it has filtered for traits that tend to cause the existing genes that have so far survived, to have survived. But you are not looking to procreate, because procreation is of no benefit to the organism. It's a benefit to the genes.

[-] lala_xyyz 3 Points 4 months ago

TLDR- Hypergamy has helped our species to survive through a long evolution in a brutal environment. Embrace it

It is also obsolete - note how most "quality" women don't reproduce anymore. Our species' evolution hasn't been about survival for thousands of years now. The sexual selection algos are obsolete, and both Chads and hoes have been bred out of gene pool ever since civilization was created. Western hoes are but a blink in the species timeline. Evolutionary imperative is to reproduce, not to kill, and accordingly only stupid women with strong maternal instincts, fearful and respectful of men, will exist in the future.

[-] TontoKemosabe 2 Points 4 months ago

20% of men can't protect and provide for 80% of women.

And as far as betas are concerned, no pussy = no resources.

[-] KeffirLime 1 Point 4 months ago

Government provides, some provide for themselves and then there's those that give just enough pussy to get some beta to provide.

[-] TontoKemosabe 1 Point 4 months ago

Government steals from betas to provide for females. Shit has to end. By force.

[-] TitusDorsus 2 Points 4 months ago

Thing is, they fuck Chad during their peak but don’t get impregnated by them. They choose a beta because he is more stable or because they are in the epiphany phase and the Chads don’t want them anymore.

[-] MarcosDomingues 9 Points 4 months ago

There are many many guys out there raising kids who aren't their own, completely unaware

[-] sandal_on 4 Points 4 months ago

I read around 5% to 10% children are from cheating in the US. That's a big number, like 1 kid in every class.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 4 months ago

That sounds high. I’d guess 1-3%

[-] astronautfrompompei 2 Points 4 months ago

SAVED THIS. Definitely an interesting thesis.

Wanted to also point out that nothing bans we could all achieve levels of behavioural development that would make most of the population "fit" (and for fit I mean the same concept you refer to in the post).

Said that, I'm not sure we know how to do that. Even looking at here / other resources, it seems that most humans become a shadow of their potential and get very weird (rather than better) when following this path.

Mental craziness is something that festers in solitude and meaningless anonymous idea exchanges...

[EDIT]: spell check

[-] ArdAtak 2 Points 4 months ago

I'm grateful that we live in a society where food is so readily available the there's an obesity epidemic. Entertainment is so readily available most men spend their spare time on the couch. Porn is so readily available most men don't care to or develop the skills to date real women. It makes life so easy for the rest of us. Use Hypergamy to your advantage and profit.

[-] Nergaal 2 Points 4 months ago

Hypergamy, i.e. the brutal selection of mating partners made by females, has made humans evolve from chimps.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 2 Points 4 months ago

This is a great point but there’s another side to it. Hypergamy doesn’t just look for genetic traits, it looks for status and can be fooled easily. In today’s society, this leads to some bizarre outcomes where women do fuck losers, just cuz they think he’s “cool” that month or year (especially in their most fertile years of college age when they are quite stupid.)

Young women do run on hypergamy hyperdrive, but they can also be incredibly stupid and manipulatable. Can’t rememeber how many times I’ve seen a young woman’s choice of guy and thought to myself “this is why fathers used to select mates for their daughters.” Theyre often too stupid to discern a guy who will be a winner in 5-10 years v a loser in 5-10 years.

So yeah you’ve definitely pointed out the evolutionary bedrock of the situation. But in an advanced culture, there are so many other cross currents of cultural distortion that I don’t think womens’ choices are always reflective of some higher immutable law. In the same prehistoric state that hypergamy evolved in, yes female mate choice would almost by definition reflect nature’s will or whatever. But status is determined in many other ways nowadays to how it was then.

The other problem with your argument is that hypergamy itself is one such force of nature that we had to subdue thru patriarchy and constraints of feral female sexuality in order to advance. Limiting hypergamy enhances overall group fitness and allows your group to outcompete other groups because you are harnessing the horsepower of the betas by giving each his domain over his woman.

So in fact the effect of hypergamy is no longer really propelling the human race. To some degree yes. But not in a totalistic way like in pre history. When left unchained, it will throw us back into dissolution. As it most certainly is at the moment, just like at the end of many empires historically.

[-] TitusDorsus 2 Points 4 months ago

In this article they talk about fathers in UK doing paternity tests and it’s mentioned that 20% of the persons doing it will discover that they are not the real fathers. But the percentage is high because they were already suspicious.

But for hypergamy being fully optimal for the specie, 80% should be impregnated by 20% of the men. They use their nature for selfish gains, not for the humanity.

[-] WarriorMonkMode 2 Points 4 months ago

Woman are the grind stones that men use to sharpen their blade.

It's up to you as a man to find a woman whole you can utilize to grind you into a lethal weapon. If you're not careful, you'll just become a useful tool at best or be grinded down into junk at worst.

Women we're designed to break down and filter out weak men from the gene pool. It's up to you if you shatter into something resembling a weapon or if you shatter into a million pieces.

[-] SlippinJimmii 2 Points 4 months ago

This is a great post, if the topic interests you i recommend The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins.

In the same way you dont take it personally when it rains you shouldn't take it personally if your physical charecteristics arent the ideal mate selection. Theyre both occur naturally.

Displaying advantageous characteristics in other areas is the solution. The Problem is it takes hard work. If you sit around, dont chase any major goals and carry a chip on your shoulder about the hand you were dealt then being unsuccessful should come as no suprise.

The Red Pill is the search for truth in reality, boilogical science offers the answers. The advantage to hypergamy once explained is able to quantify a phenominon that once haunted those who it persecuted, giving the something to work against other than the women who display it.

[-] Mefic_vest 1 Point 4 months ago

Where a certain subset of men get upset at isn’t about the unfairness of it all (and yes, it is unfair), but with the hypocrisy and double standards: men are expected to rise above their genetic conditioning and make modern and enlightened choices, but women are given a free pass to continue acting like cavewomen.

Essentially, your article is a massive and blatant pussy pass.

If us men are expected to rise above our evolutionarily-designed programming, why can’t we expect women to be forced to do the same?

What’s good for the gander should be every bit as good for the goose.

[-] chazthundergut 0 Points 4 months ago

I'm not salty about the double standard. I treat society's demand that we give up our balls like a shit test.

Instead of being upset that women get to be cavewomen, I just grab my nuts and act like a caveman despite society's objections

[-] omega_dawg93 1 Point 4 months ago

all of this is cool but here's the deal as i see it.

at some point, the women who choose to have kids, when they see they can't get the top 20% of men, will settle for "chad light" or beta billy.

in Western society, men are saying "take pussy off the pedestal," not realizing that women have already done it for us. broads are fucking like crazy right now... just because... wherever, whenever. they are doing proud slut walks. thank you feminism & birth control. and to those of you who are racist, that's your issue not theirs so don't get butthurt when/if you find out tyrone and/or jamaal TOOK what was FREELY GIVEN to them to enjoy.

when it comes to hypergamy, it's in a woman's firmware; that's just how they are. when given the choice of happy or content, they will choose happy... bc being content means game over to them; they always seek the next biggest & best thing from men, to money, etc. that's why you always hear them say, "he's a nice guy but i feel like I'm settling."

lots of guys are mad about this all bc now they KNOW why women act the way they do... and realize the true nature of women is raw and feral.

lies, deception, manipulation, blame-shifting, more lies, cheating, cheating that "wasn't really sex," cheating that "didn't count," lies... projection... lack of personal responsibility and accountability, lies, having a LOT more cock history than you think, etc. oh and lies too.

it's just who they are... get in the game or stop complaining. that "sweet little angel" is who YOU made her to be in your mind. instead let her actions show you who she really is... and proceed with your life's goals and desires as your #1 focus.

.... bc their hypergamous nature will never stop-not until they're dead.

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[-] Feelinggood702 1 Point 4 months ago

Humanity isn’t that special. We may have “bent” nature in terms of utilizing as much as we could to this day, but we are still bound by the laws of nature. Overall, we’re just specialized to do what we do. We ain’t shit.

[-] chazthundergut 1 Point 4 months ago

As a single species, we have gone from scavenging grasslands to unlocking the power of the atom.

The Earth provided us with water and stones and trees. And from these we have forged supercomputers and rocket ships.

"Humans ain't shit?" Of course we are. We have the mind of gods.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 4 months ago

Hypergamy is only ok as a man if you reverse it without getting jailed up.

which means - give em the d , the illusion of power over your wealth and then leave them when the better offer is on the table. let's see how long women can take it.

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[-] NoFaithInThisSub 1 Point 4 months ago

You would select for the biggest, tallest, strongest, healthiest, most masculine males.

So are you saying zero intelligence and creativity to invent new things?

[-] NextBad 1 Point 4 months ago

> No wonder so many men go MGTOW- they already know that they will lose this game, so they prefer not to play and pretend like its their choice to opt out of reproduction.


Most MGTOW men are married, divorce rape, and have lost everything, until you went though that, than it shows you aren't reading, you are spreading feminist lies about men and your world view is what leads to killing,murder and violence.


Truth is most guys are easily fuckable, once they become masculine but the APA has just declared it a disorder, our issues aren't a lack of self improvement, it's a lack of self love ,

[-] chazthundergut 1 Point 4 months ago

Are you serious!? The APA just declared masculinity a disorder!? OMG I thought culture was my friend!! I guess I will need to turn in my man card now and start acting like a bitch, since society says so...

Men who share my worldview see females for the manipulative, Machiavellian, pragmatic creatures that they are. We aren't waiting around for Hypergamy to change, for women to start loving us unconditionally, or for society to start appreciating men.

Men who get divorce raped and respond by avoiding chicks altogether are like women who get rape raped and respond by avoiding men altogether.

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[-] sanitypanacea 1 Point 4 months ago

"Thank you, errors." - Antifragile.



I will never go back to beta game. I will never concede emotion without LONG TERM alpha deference. Enthusiastic consent is all I will ever embrace. No leaning in, no token hugs. No sad DM's. NO TRANSACTIONAL SEX.


I've had a taste of what Rollo calls "validational sex" and what the community calls enthusiastic consent. Just recently I have been awoken to just WHAT separated my input in my success, and why it felt so damn good.


never again brothers. I love you guys and hope 2019 is amazing



[-] jbpostv 0 Points 4 months ago

As much as TRP can blend with MGTOW and assert we should never get married, marriage has been part of curbing the outrageous index of hypergamy that could be occurring right now. We have planes, phones, trains, dms and the internet providing women a means of selecting and positioning themselves for the alpha male. Without certain civilizational implementations, with today’s logistics women would be draining cum from the top 1% alone. But, marriage has made it a societal expectation that we know who the father is and it’s not good for someone to be the father of several children to different women. You see this happen in certain communities but the societal expense through family law, the need for two incomes and the negative rep of single moms makes women play the carousel they’d ride to the point of fertilization without birth control, then actually have children with a beta. So when push comes to shove you could argue women are pushing out a lot of beta gene kids because of beta bucks. If the kind of hypergamy that is natural to our species resurfaced and the nuclear family completely dissolved, we’d all be evolved primates out there ripping each other apart for pussy again (those were the days). See studies of how countries that allow polygamy are directly more violent thanks to the development of more incel Elliot Rodgers types. So while marriage and the blue pill aren’t natural they’ve saved us from nature.