I just stumbled on this...
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https://www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf
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...which is a new set of guidelines from the American Psychological Association recognizing that men, no less than women and the LGBTQetc, have their own needs. We are no longer simply the baseline group from which all else is specialized. It recognizes the greater suicide rate among men, the drop in academic achievement among young men, the difficulty men often have in connecting and dealing with stress, and similar issues.
I thought, for a brief, glorious moment, that this was a step in the right direction.
Wow, was I wrong. "Oppression" and "privilege" are on the definitions page, and just for example, Guideline Three states that helping men recognize their power and privilege (which evidently we don't usually do) will enable them to be be better allies (presumably of women), and thus less oppressive. There is a great deal of this.
It must be said that it does have guidelines supporting male-responsive educational approaches, encouraging father-involvement, suicide and violence prevention, and understanding of male-specific social problems. However the overall impression I get is that is that this is not so much about helping men with their problems as it is about getting men to stop being a problem for everyone else. It is a medicalized version of man-up-and-be-useful.
What is fascinating is that this document recognizes all these male specific problems, including early death, a much higher suicide rate, and greater difficulty dealing with mental health issues like depression. It recognizes that this has been entirely unaddressed by the profession. And simultaneously it advances the concept of men being the privileged sex. This is literally doublethink, it is the matrix in action.
If you need help, get help. Reach out to someone, to anyone, to suicide prevention if that's the place you're in. No man is an island, and whatever you are facing, there are some amazing resources that are yours for a mouseclick - this place is one of the best. A psychiatrist's office may be too, there are some awesome ones out there. However the only problems that should count to a psychiatrist are the problems you have. If it starts to feel like you are the problem, walk out.
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KeffirLime 5y ago
"Understanding the socially constructed nature of masculinity and how it affects boys and men,"
Right off the bat, starts out with denying any inherent features of masculinity and instead attributes it to a social construction. Apparently every species on earth has inherent masculine and feminine roles/behaviours except human beings, ours were all socialized.
This is just another cancerous document, aimed at molding/watering down masculinity into an unrecognizable puddle to further the feminine imperative
The field of psychology is particularly dangerous for men going forward. They're receiving the same level of unquestionable god-like authority as doctors, but they are hopelessly out of touch with with the wants and needs of men.
The reason why men are not happy is not because their very core and fiber is being repressed and attacked, their natural urges and behavior demonized, while they wonder hopelessly lost, afflicted by a gaping hole in competent masculine leadership and guidance.
No, instead it's because they're privileged, sexist and emotionless.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
We should also strive to understand the socially constructed nature of male chimps. Why do they aggressively patrol their territory and chase off unfamiliar males? Why do they physically dominate the females of the troop? Why do they form dominance hierarchies and jockey for position?
SmashChimpPatriarchy.
wracky272 5y ago
It's all humanity's tremendous sense of self-importance. We've determined that, because we created civilization, we must be beyond petty things like pre-determined roles and specializations. We spend a massive amount of time and effort trying to destroy the things that nature made us naturally good at, because we're absolutely unable to deal with jealousy, envy, or discomfort.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
You said it better than I could.
Transhumaxist 5y ago
It appears as if they are trying to create more men with mental illness so eventually they'd find themselves spending money on therapy and other psychological services. Much like the military industrial complex, it is creating problems to sustain itself.
wss5112 5y ago
Consider the whole academic and the professional fields have to to be “politically correct” to be held as “ethical” so that their professional status can be maintained, yeah, it’s not about the truth but the pretence of truth. So that women, black and LGBT continue to be used for box-ticking in all areas of community including hiring new employees. Then men continue to be assumed to have privilege over all else.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Paradoxical in itself.
Politically correct and professional status should not co-exist.
In a field supposedly built on research and statistics, I find the human ability to shape interpretation to fit a narrative astounding.
Precisely why you shouldn't have blind faith in pretty much anything.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Well, it IS a Social 'Science'.
Dash_of_islam 5y ago
Read How to Lie with Statistics pdf It is a great read showing you how you can manipulate data and graphs without changing the data, but instead painting a very different picture than what really is.
Einzakin 5y ago
Does it actually say there are no inherent features of masculinity or does it just say some are socially constructed? We know for a fact some are social, some are inherent. Is there are chance you're overreacting saying these things and calling them cancerous?
Is psychology dangerous for men. Which part? I don't see it I sort of think you're being sensitive.
You may want to exercise your own advice and not have 'blind faith' in anything. It seems like you're looking and finding your own narrative in everything you read.
Maybe get off the internet for a bit, meditate, go for a walk. You're agitated and agitation can affect thinking.
WinjetRed 5y ago
He's allowed to be if he wants. This is concern trolling.
Einzakin 5y ago
Ok well I guess I'm a concern troll. Thanks for the input
SeasonedRP 5y ago
What features of masculinity do you think are socially constructed and have no biological basis?
Dash_of_islam 5y ago
Pink is for girls and Blue is for boys.
Go to other countries and we see the complete opposite.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
None of consequence. Maybe some pointless stuff like blue vs pink.
Einzakin 5y ago
I think blue vs pink is mostly biological. Do you think that's socially constructed?
Einzakin 5y ago
That's a great question. It's a subject that could have books written on it, and it does. If you want my opinion on certain parts of it I'll be happy to share. I don't really think it's proper to say something has no biological basis or isn't socially constructed at all. That's like saying what do you believe in, nature or nurture? Clearly both play varying roles in different people.
SeasonedRP 5y ago
My understanding is the APA report didn't in any way mention biological bases for behavior. Perhaps that shouldn't be surprising since they aren't biologists. I raise the issue because many times I will read that various male behaviors are the result of socialization, and it is assumed that this is factual and well-established. Since the behavior is typically something I have never been encouraged to do or seen encouraged (and I've been around), I immediately question the basis for the presumption that the behavior is indeed the result of socialization. An example would be men not crying and expressing emotions as much as women. The APA and the Harry's shaving company appear to believe this is the result of socialization. I doubt it. A successful evolutionary strategy for men wouldn't include crying and expressing emotion. (Whether crying and expressing emotion is healthy is a different question, though I don't think they are). That's why I am curious if there are features of masculinity that you think are indeed socially constructed and not biologically-driven.
Einzakin 5y ago
I can only speak from my life but crying and expressing emotion was considered extremely weak to anyone I knew. I am 30. Not to say that it's good to cry all the time or anything, but it's incredibily important to express emotion as a man or you'll turn into a bitter weak boy who can't fully integrate into society. We see many of them on this redpill sub. I learned any kind of emotional expression was weak from weak men. I only realized these men were weak when I grew up and found out they had all kinds of insecurities, big egos, and used that to justify their treatment of other individuals (alot of the time women) in a bad way.
So I can say for a fact in some places, men are completely socialized to act out certain behaviours. Men will cry less than women anyways, but it's incredibly bad for men not to express emotions etc. Speaking of successful evolutionary strategies, it's probably time men start to be actually brave because if not it will hurt them. All these dudes telling people to never express themselves are just hurting men. If you're a guy you have to accept what you are, so if you're not an alpha male and some alpha male is shaming you for expressing yourself, you should tell him to fuck right off. If you're smart and don't excel like others do in physical activities, use that shit to your advantage, don't feel bad for not lifting weights all day.
To edit: I am in the process of dealing with all my past shit so I can move forward. Being honest and open with my family allowed me to finally create a bond with my brother. It was weird and awkward at first but shit man, being honest was the best thing I could have done. Also sort of getting into meditation and conscious awareness. Doesn't mean becoming a pussy, it just means for me I don't always have to posture my masculinity, and don't have to act in a way people expect of me. We all have our journey but alot of people from my small town would consider this weak and 'beta' male or whatever. When it comes down to it though I'm alot tougher, smarter, etc than most of these people calling me that stuff so I just say ok. Socialization plays a big part in our lives, as does biology.
SeasonedRP 5y ago
Do you think that the reason some people react to a man crying and expressing emotion by thinking he is weak has a biological basis? Women seem to react more contemptuously to such behavior than men from what I have observed, but that's just anecdotal and also not something I have seen much one way or the other. Nonetheless, I tend to think that these reactions do have a biological basis, and thus the social reinforcement of them doesn't happen in a vacuum. In other words, if you completely removed both positive and negative social reinforcement for men expressing emotions, there would still be a hesitancy for men to do so and an instinctive disapproval of it by others.
Einzakin 5y ago
Yeah, I definitely agree usually if a guy cries women will have some contempt, but not always. It seems universally accepted to people in all communities, AFAIK.
The toxic part of not expressing emotions when you're young, and learning how to deal with things is that I think this will create men who want to cry, which instead of crying usually turns into anger or complete outrage. These bottled up emotions turn many into a timebomb. It's why I'm a big believer in learning how to express yourself because if not you'll turn into a big pussy. It's not because I want men to be women.
Crying most of the time is weak. Sometimes it's not. If you have all your shit together, and have eaten, slept, worked out, cleared your head etc, I don't think you're going to cry. Sometimes though, if you're life is fucked and none of your shit is together, you need to first let all that bullshit out and express your emotions somehow, so you can actually transform into a stronger man.
What sometimes is seen as contempt for men crying, is maybe just people seeing it as weakness, and men taking it as contempt. If you are weak though and continually pretend you're strong, youll never really be able to grow.
That's why I think social reinforcement for men by other men to express themselves is important. It will create stronger men. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong. I'm looking at a world where we try to end war and transform into something better as a society. I think it's possible. Naive and idealistic, possibly, we'll find out.
KeffirLime 5y ago
If you've read through the document, you'll see that the general idea is that men have been pressured into a socially constructed version of masculinity that is toxic.
The vast majority of this version of "toxic masculinity" is simply inherent masculine properties being expressed outwardly.
The part that's dangerous for men, is where they prescribe the filtering of inherent masculinity in favor of a more feminine approach, creating a paradoxical manner of expression for men, which is already causing a lot of society wide issues(for men).
As for the rest, lose the condescending tone, if you want to discuss the content be my guest, but leave the bullshit at the door.
Einzakin 5y ago
I actually wasn't trying to be condescending. I can be at times, but I was being genuine. You sort of sound like you have a bitterness in side you, I was just trying to get you to recognize it.
I agree sometimes the system will try to feminize men. I don't think it happens as much as this community thinks, I just think you guys notice it more and play victim alot. It doesn't really create a paradoxical manner for men, because men can pick and choose the advice they receive. I actually think most people are just trying to get the bad parts of masculinity out, and turn us into a better society. I've personally seen shitty parts of masculinity, being on many sports teams and working as a bartender and carpenter for much of my life. I think men are awesome, but the majority now are weak complainers who try to blame all their problems on women. Females are the same, most trying to blame all their problems on men.
Your sentences just sort of confirm my opinion that you're reading what you want to. Read the document again, but from a different perspective. Stop trying to confirm your own biases. It's the same idea as the Gillette ad. If someone actually has a problem with the ad they have some clear issues. Somehow a commercial spouting some truth, although a little bit preachy, turns into this big issues. "Oh I'm never buying Gillette again waaah". It's legit a bunch of babies. It's because most of the men responding are somewhat pathetic, and weak. I've probably offended some saying this but my god, some in this community need to find better things to do. It's turning into a bunch of dudes circlejerking about how awful society is to them. Gimme a break dude.
I think it's probably time some of us take this community out of the shitshow it's been in. Too many whiners, too many pity partys, too many "its all wimenz fault". "Societys against us". No real leaders anymore. Rollo Tomassi's a loser. Maybe a TRP Endorsed fella like you could actually be a strong dude and stop blaming your shit on society and everyone else.
That's all I'm saying. If my tone hurt you this time, consider some reflection.
olimpicus 5y ago
dude that was manipulative as fuck... i read it on big red's voice lol
KeffirLime 5y ago
Do I see men's issues? Yeah. Do I think this particular document is healthy or helpful towards those issues? No, I do not. I call it how I see it, if you wanna label that bitter be my guest, It doesn't add to the conversation.
Far more of it is passive feminization than active. It's how men are raised, how they are schooled, how they are treated on the whole throughout their formative years. You cannot pick and choose that, you're at the mercy of your handlers. It's been shifting steadily from a far more masculine approach towards a feminine approach, most likely linked to the break down of marriage, single mother hood, way more female teachers etc.
Who get's to decide which parts are good and which parts are bad and on what grounds do they base that decision? And then who get's to decide how we deal with that and wether that's a healthy approach?
I see male issues and masculinity acting out in negative ways just as you do, I just don't agree with the degee to which it's being advertised and the manner in which it's being dealt with.
As for men, they have other men and possibly themselves to blame for their issues. Younger and ignorant men less complicit because they don't know much better, they've never known much better, which is precisely why the Red Pill exists. But ultimately when it comes done to it, the solution rests on men to solve their issues, not women.
The fact that you feel men are not entitled to an opinion other than your own on an ad speaks volumes. The ad is built on the fundamental premise that men have been shitty for far too long and need to do better? Why should those men buy from a company who thinks they're shitty, they can simply take their business elsewhere. It's how the free market works. Pander to your customers, and if you don't they'll go somewhere else.
If a man went on stage at a mosque wanting to sell something and started saying "Damn these terrorists, they need to start being better, they're a real problem" and played an Ad about it and then said, "ah but I'm only talking about terrorists, if you're offended by it, then you're probably a terrorist", would you say it's in good taste? Personally I wouldn't be upset about it, but I wouldn't be jumping to support that mans brand/company either.
It's not about whining about it, it's about being aware of it. Society is stacked against you as a male currently, IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU wether you fall victim to it or take action to make it better for yourself. Any man can create prosperity for himself, it simply takes work.
I don't blame my shit on anyone but myself, you do an awful lot of projecting instead of just discussing the content. I can condemn an APA document and still take responsibility for my actions, stop making leaps son.
Einzakin 5y ago
K my point about the Gillette ad is that it's actually a big deal on the internet. It's not a great ad, it's a bit preachy and out of place, but that's not the issue. The issue is it's an ad, that says a few things are bad, shows men helping other men. All of a sudden the redpill and youtube redpillers erupt. "OMG FEMIMIST AGENDA DID YOU SEE THE GIRL WHO MADE THE AD. I FOUND HER TWITTER SHES ANTI MAN SHE HATES US ALL. OMG LETS GET HER FIRED. IM NEVER BUYING GILETTE AGAIN YOU GUYS." It's actually fucking embarrassing. There's a thread on redpill dedicated to it and it's one of the most commented on. That to me is sad. Just fucking sad and pathetic. The ad didn't do anything wrong if you just watch it. Men are completely entitled to their opinion, as I'm entitled to point out how ridiculous they're acting.
I see feminization. I really do. I see it a little bit in real life, but I see it alot on youtube and twitter and the internet as a whole. It doesn't really affect me when I just live. I see girls try to get away with feminist shit sometimes, but usually if you properly stand up to them they know they're just seeking attention and stop it. I work with about 20 girls as a Bartender, so I see this kind of shit all the time. I've worked as a financial advisor with all women. I honestly feel like I have a decent idea of how they act and how some try to manipulate.
For the most part though, women want men to succeed. They want men to be better so they have better men to be around. What they don't want is dudes checking out their ass and calling them beautiful lol. Why? Not because they hate men, but because that's an indication of a weak dude. They don't always want to have everything be sexual. Anyways, I digress, those are just some of my thoughts on that.
It's hard for girls too. It is getting harder for men. If you're a redpiller especially people are going to feel that negative energy. I know because I was one. I still believe in some of the ideas, but alot are just garbage, and yes dare I say toxic.
I actually am sorry for shitting on you, I don't know anything about you. When I say TRP endorsed I immediately want to question them because I think this place could be way better. Right now it feels like a selfish way for guys to try to manipulate women into sleeping with them and 'spinning plates'. What a stupid fucking term.
KeffirLime 5y ago
The backlash to the ad can't be viewed in isolation. It's political. Feminists have been screeching for years now and pushing their agenda, they're relentless. A company making an ad subtly digging at their target market and thinking it will yield revenue is testament to that. If there's no opposition to that stance then when will it end. The backlash to the ad is less about whining about an ad and more about saying, this is going a bit far now, a line needs to be drawn.
The feminization I'm talking about is very subtle, it's the way men are raised and the way society views masculinity and which brand of masculinty is getting pushed, and then further on from that what effects this will have on society going forward. As it stand's men and women on the whole are the most unhappy they've ever been, steadily declining over the last 40 years and you've touched on it already, the issue is lack of masculinity, lack of strong men. This leaves women in a position where they have to express more masculinity to fill the void which makes men and women alike miserable.
I think we're in agreement that the solution is to be better, stronger, more capable men, it's just I think it's much harder to achieve that when femininity is being shoved down their throats.
The angry ramblings and woman hating of many on this sub is an issue and I assure you it gets discussed more than you know, I condemn it more than most. But I understand it given so many thought the world/women worked one way and then one day found out it was all wrong. It takes time to remedy that.
Women aren't mean or trying to screw over men, they're simply following their emotions based in their biological nature which are directed at furthering themselves as much as possible. What we're hopefully doing here is trying to get rid of that anger and replace it with understanding, so that they can work on and improve themselves in every way possible.
I appreciate the questioning that's what we're here for, to clarify things and hopefully get guys to understand the message a whole lot better, it does tend to get lost under a pile of rubble alot of the time.
Einzakin 5y ago
I will add that the Gillette ad was brilliant in that from that what I understand women do all the spending in most households. Men are split on the ad, while overwhelmingly women like it so I think it will be a net positive for them. It will however probably create more advertising competition as companies take advantage of the anger.
I agree with the subtle feminization. I see it. I feel like societal conditions play a factor. Heavier women who get less love and really weak men will eventually turn on strong men as that's what people tend to do, hate others who they aspire to be. I've just grown up seeing men subtly hate men and sometimes not so subtly. It's why I think the responsibility is on all people, not just women.
I'm also not sure if this is just my experience, but most of the feminization is online. When I go out into the world I barely notice it. I've heard girls call themselves feminists but most of them don't even know what it means and are young. I think people are realizing feminism has turned to garbage and is no longer about equality. They once had a point, not anymore.
valourtore 5y ago
It isn't about manipulation for the sake of manipulation. It's about becoming a masculine version of yourself. A version of yourself that acts without fear or trepidation caused by chivalric (read: fight/serve/die for your fair lady because you are worth less than her) and feminine conditioning. Why should you play a game with rules that are rigged against you? Why not play the game to your advantage? Because it isn't honourable? So you would play with a disadvantage because of honour?
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For myself, it came down to destroying the Idealism that I constructed my reality around:
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EDIT: Far as I know, outside the realm of Mathematics, Logic and the Law, "Equality" as in a "state of equilibrium" cannot exist because all things are in constant flux. Mathematics and Logic are abstractions derived from analysis/speculation of the natural flux and use the "Equation" (manifest concept of Equality) as an instrument in understanding Reality, but Reality need not behave in accordance with our understanding of it.
Law is something we made up.
Einzakin 5y ago
I think you're creating a false dichotomy. People seem to always go to one extreme for some reason. All human beings act in self-interest, but at the same time all human beings need other people. It completely sucks to be alone. It sucks to dislike people and usually turns against us. People are a reflection of ourselves and it's why we project like no other. You're attempting to justify the mistreatment of people for the sake of your own selfish interests.
valourtore 5y ago
I think you are understanding it wrong here.
Does acting in your self-interest necessitate or mean that you be alone?
The fact is that we ALL manipulate others in some way or the other to achieve what we want.
Every relationship you have is also because you can benefit from it (even something like "I enjoy his company so I want to talk to him" - deriving pleasure from association).
Some people are simply smarter about doing it in a more palatable/subtle manner and do not appear threatening, allowing them to continue doing so (METHOD). Some people bend the norms of society so that it is to their benefit - see Feminism and all and any political movements (THE SYSTEM). When the rules of the SYSTEM are to your benefit, it is easier to apply your METHOD and further your self-interest.
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Applied to your statement and worldview, you do not agree with my actions precisely because they are to your detriment, with no promise of return. This does not mean that the women/people I am with do not benefit from me.
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Einzakin 5y ago
You're taking this a little far my friend. I'm not interested in the type of discussion you're looking to have.
SKRedPill 5y ago
You are a man.
No one gives a fuck about you underneath that lip service.
Make yourself abundant. It's the lesson you were meant to learn.
Selfishaltruist181 5y ago
The lesson isn't to make yourself abundant but to use your power to achieve abundance.
SKRedPill 5y ago
<Sarcasm> Ooh. Power. That sounds scary. So toxic.... <Sarcasm end>
Atavisionary 5y ago
I don't know where this got his numbers, but he claims the APA membership is 58% women, 75% of graduates students are women.
This roughly matches my own research which found that 62% graduate level psych grads were female a number of years ago. It could have increased since then.
Psychology as a field is mostly far-left liberal. Social psychology "is essentially an ideological and political echo-chamber that is considerably more left-wing politically than the general population. 80% of social psychologists identify as liberal, while only 3 out of 1000 identify as conservative. Contrast this with the general population which is 40% conservative and only 20% liberal. I single out social psychology here, but the same basic pattern is true for any social "Science." Also, this demographic has been changing dramatically in recent times. It was much more balanced in the past and progressively became more infiltrated and through selection more ideological narrowed. Considering both the political taint and the great potential for femsplainations, and it is no surprise it has gotten so bad.
These people aren't scientists, and their studies aren't science. They are ideological and partisan hacks who use fake and misleading data to masquerade their delusional opinions and desires as "science." They did this because they wanted to steal the credibility of real sciences like physics and chemistry which actually benefit the world to push their tainted points of view. For some reason, most people bought the ruse and attribute to them some authority on these subjects. And now we have to deal with shit like this. Feels bad man.
eccentricrealist 5y ago
The last time I went to a psychologist was after my parents divorced and she spent the entire session convincing and emphasizing that my birth was an accident. From then on the premise in the sessions was that my existence was undesirable, and let me tell you it's not a good frame of mind for a thirteen year old. Most psychologists are shit, especially those that ignore evolutionary reality.
tempolaca 5y ago
Never ever go to a psychologist. If you have mental problems (everybody gets depression once or twice in their life, it's normal) go to a psychiatrist, that's a real doctor, not an unscientific snake-oil seller.
novalentineforyou 5y ago
Disagree. I've found some psychologists very helpful. You might find male psychologists more helpful than female ones.
tempolaca 5y ago
The only psychologist that I know that seemly know his shit and apparently read some studies and scientific papers is Jordan Peterson.
novalentineforyou 5y ago
Fucking hell, how many clinical psychologists do you know? If it's less than 5 stop wasting your time typing.
tempolaca 5y ago
Much more than 5. I myself went to 2 or 3. My ex went to about 5. My ex-mother in law is a psych, had a psych GF, etc.
They all might as well be astrologists.
KeithR420 5y ago
ive seen many guys especially from my high school being pussyfied..ofc i dont go preaching red pill and smile to myself thinking 'the more the betas the better for me' but...this means less competition AND its fellow men who are being driven to betaism.
CainPrice 5y ago
The narrative goes that men are angry, violent, depressed, suicidal, and have a whole range of other mental health problems.
And the reason for this is masculinity. They've been made to feel their entire lives how privileged and entitled they are for being men by an insidious system that teaches men privilege and entitlement (while oppressing women) without ever saying it out loud or making these inherent life lessons obvious to anybody.
Then, when their privilege and entitlement don't reward them with great success automatically, men become angry and violent and depressed because of toxic masculinity. As we all know, we've been taught since birth by our hyper-masculine fathers to suppress all emotion and to tie our entire sense of self worth into our sexual and professional successes, so when we can't get laid and can't get rich, as our sense of entitlement and privilege tell us we're supposed to, we're all going postal and hurting people then killing ourselves.
The solution is, of course, to get rid of masculinity. Once people stop teaching us that "real men" have sex with women, we won't even want to have sex any more because we won't feel like our identity as men depends on it. We will be completely satisfied by having close emotional relationships with other unsuccessful men that we aren't afraid to hug.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This is what happens when you give women power.
SoulRebel99 5y ago
This makes me enraged. "Who is John Galt" and then stopping the motor of the world is becoming a more palatable outcome.
ExcellentStudio 5y ago
Absolutely insane. The APA is a medical organization. Whether or not what they are trying to do is "good" is irrelevant, the real question is why the fuck did they decide to get into the business of changing social issues? What medical benefit does recognizing privilege confer?
neltcria 5y ago
I see good and bad in these guidelines, but I also find them very telling of our current political flavor. I noted a few things in the guidelines, but the one that really jarred me:
"researchers have found that men tend to overestimate the degree to which other men hold sexist beliefs, and that developing awareness of this discrepancy reduces sexist beliefs (Kilmartin et al., 2008). To further help accomplish this goal, psychologists are encouraged to explore their perceptions of boys and men and to understand that, although not all boys and men hold sexist ideologies, these beliefs are ingrained in the culture at large."
So, let me get this straight: we, as men, think that other men are sexist pigs, and are surprised to find out that we're really not. Then, we are reminded that while not all boys and men hold sexist beliefs (and what percentage is that btw?), we are told that we are still sexist and that our sexist beliefs (which again, we just found out really don't exist), are held by men at large.
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_ramu_ 5y ago
Any article that tries to talk about male suicide rates and depression and doesn't mention porn/masturbation addiction, discredits itself and shows that the authors have no real knowledge whatsoever.
WinjetRed 5y ago
P.S. if you take your sons to any of these guys for help keep a close fucking eye on them. The wrong one could do more harm than good if they are telling him they can help him but first he needs to accept that his problems are because he's an oppressive shitlord and he needs to man the fuck up and pull out his plow-horse saddle.