We here at TRP often use the term 'feminine matrix' to describe the socio-cultural climate that we live in. But is that the truth? It is not. We don't live in a feminine matrix. There is no such thing as a feminine matrix. The reason being, feminine matrix implies that feminists or women are at the top and men in general, are below them. But that is just not true. What we live in is a corporate oligarchy, supporting women and 'feminism' in order to earn more profits.
They mass produce goods, unload them into society. They have even changed our purchasing attitudes from 'needs based' to 'desire based'. We no longer buy things because we need them. We buy them because we feel like owning them. We buy new goods without even consuming the former products to their fullest. And guess who is easy to manipulate, highly insecure, with massive inferiority complex and a feelz based hamster? A woman. Free her from social constraints, give her the same amount of freedom and power as a man and she spends her and her man's money in a compulsive, consumerist manner.
Here's a red pill for you all. Feminism has not really benefited women. In fact, they are more miserable than they have ever been. But guess what? It generates profits for companies and who gives a fuck about anything other than profit, right? I mean people's happiness? Duh.. Let the profits roll in.
And I know a lot of autists will go nuts over this and say 'Conspiracy' or 'Illuminati' or pretty much any crazy shit. So here's food for thought. Think about how feminism benefited corporate sector. Cigarette industry, alcohol industry, garment industry, cosmetics industry, media industry, food industry, childcare industry, divorce industry, education industry. Pretty much anything and everything under the sun.
Red pill is all about opening your eyes and understanding reality. Destroying delusions. The easiest way to understand a lot of social stuff is to see how the money flows, who's pockets are getting filled. The world is subtly manipulated by few people at the top, and they are the real people ruling over everyone. Manipulation and propaganda are their methods of choice. And guess who gets fucked in the process?
EDIT1: Just as I had expected, some autists reported in calling me a conspiracy theorist. Well, I am glad that for the most part, majority of you guys are able to see the bigger picture. This edit is primarily designed to help those who are having difficulty understanding the bigger picture. In my article, I had given you food for thought. Here's some starter served to you on a silver platter.
Cigarette Industry: There was social stigma against women who smoked. Guess what? Edward bernays (a great psychologist and manipulator) launched a campaign using women to promote the sale of cigarettes. He understood that psychologically, cigarettes could be seen as a symbol of penis, a symbol of masculine power (For those of you who don't know, women have penis envy).
The women participating marched with lit cigarettes, which were hailed as 'torches of freedom'. Obviously, he played with their emotions on a society wide scale. This stunt was reported in all major newspapers (carefully orchestrated by bernays). It was manipulated and propagated as 'Freedom from male oppression and patriarchy'. By smoking cigarettes!!! (It was brilliant btw. Cuz you know, freedom, statue of liberty's torch, rooting for the weaker side, get rid of any notion of oppression, they are all classic American virtues. It creates powerful subliminal messages that can easily manipulate people.) The stigma started disappearing and women started increasing the profits of cigarette industry. (George Washington Hill, the president of American Tobacco Company was the client of Edward Bernays.)
Is your hunger appetized now? Able to see the bigger picture? At least bits of it? Good. Now try using that grey matter of yours into thinking how feminism helped increase the profits of other industries, how women were carefully manipulated. Obviously, men were manipulated too because after all, men have more resources. But essentially, feminism is just a shit show promoted by corporate sector to increase their profits. At the cost of our happiness. Male-female equality is a joke. No one cares about that. It is not really a concern. The real concern is increased 'Female Spending Power' to fill the coffers of the fortune 500 or unlisted 50000.
'Women spending as much as they can. That is what feminism is all about.' Even a 5 year old kid should now be able to tell who truly profits from that.
EDIT2: Thanks for all the positive feedback. Also, u_Patrick_MasterBateman asked me, 'Have you watched Century of the Self?' Yes, I have. Also been studying a lot of other related stuff. I would request you guys to watch this documentary. Link is https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-century-of-the-self/. Really helps put perspective on this stuff. Also, for those interested in the whole 'manipulation and propaganda' thing, read Sigmund Freud's books, Edward Bernays's books on individual psychology, collective/social psychology. Really helps you understand the bigger picture behind everything. Oh, and I would recommend evopsych books as well. And basic economics, history of civilizations, capitalism, socialism, communism. Study this stuff.
juliman17 5y ago
It's pretty basic of you to think feminism was invented by corporations.
Watch Aaron russo interview regarding Rockefeller and maybe you will begin to understand the real reason feminism was created. And who created and pushed it in the first place
johnpayne10 5y ago
Boy. Thanks for leading me here. Eye opening.
One doubt though...how does taxing half population benefit corporations/banking system? The taxed money goes to the government. It passes in the form of funds/corruption? I did not catch that.
juliman17 5y ago
No problem. The rabbit hole goes way deeper than you can imagine btw. Feminism is a small part of it. But really, stop thinking of corporations as the puppet masters, they really are not.
That is a good question, and one that I also thought about in the moment when I watched it. If I had to give an answer, it would be that by taxing the other half of the population through income taxes, the purchasing power (economic freedom) of the population overall is even lower than before. (shared wages = lower wages)
All taxation is a way of removing freedoms from the individual and giving more power to the state. Why do you think there is such a thing as "Carbon Tax"? There is no such thing as human-made global warming and the tiny percentage that a human does contribute to it, literally insignificant is the use of your car everyday to go to work. But under the pretense of saving the planet from your evil polluting emissions, they put ridiculuos amounts of tax to your gas so your economic freedoms are even further restricted. All while importing everything from third world shit countries who don't give a fuck about the enviroment and are the real polluters.
johnpayne10 5y ago
Alright. So in your opinion, who is at the top of it all? Government? Corporate elite? (That would be the top oil companies, banking companies, gun industries, internet companies etc) Or is it a combination of both? (for example: corporate elites and few key government officials like Hillary Clinton)
Also the reason you stated is kinda confusing. As in, by increasing taxes, state would gain power. But at the same time it would reduce disposable income which would mean less profit for corporate sector. So how does it work? Some kind of optimum balance/golden ratio?
Also I have a basic problem as in how does 'taxing other half of population decrease purchasing power?'
In my opinion, even if women work or pay taxes it does not make much of an impact on the real increase in household income. (Basically, although both earn wages, the prices go up in an equivalent proportion. So there is no real increase in purchasing power.) And the taxation is same regardless of gender. How are shared wages = lower wages? The way I see it, whether women work or not, the purchasing power/disposable income and the rate/total amount of taxation remains the same. I think it is about increased female spending power. If women also earn similar income they feel entitled to their share. So it is like 'my money is my money and your money is house money.' But I still don't understand the impact of taxation.
juliman17 5y ago
You are good at asking questions, and those very same questions will guide you to answers you will not be able to unsee.
I think your answer to the women income and their spending is pretty on-point.
I will suggest something that might seem counter-intuitive but on the big picture, it makes sense. Ironically, do not follow the money in this case. Since if you do, you might end up with the conclusion that corporations help push feminism to earn more $$.
Look at the social impact of these movements, and what they represent on the long run. fracture of the nuclear family, birth-rates way below population replacement. No stable families = no reason for men to better themselves and have a stake in society and it's sustentability. Women viewing the state a provider instead of the men, therefore further voting for left-leaning politicians.
Many of these movements were not pushed with profits in mind (at least not in the short-medium term). They are pushed to further divide society.
Look where the money comes from to start these movements. Don't focus only on where the money ends up flowing as a consequence of the movement.
johnpayne10 5y ago
Fair enough. So maybe taxing women had a more psychological aspect to it. Taxing is essentially a more of authority and control. During pre-feminism period, men paid taxes and were naturally obedient to government authority. Women were not directly involved with government and their influence was limited to household and community. They were obedient to men. With women entering workforce, taxation, getting the right to vote and al the so-called reforms, women replaced men with government. Taxation can be seen as a way of keeping sheep in line.
Also destabilization of society is a important factor here. Pretty much everything in the past few decades i.e. the policies implemented, the socio-cultural environment propagated, everything has resulted in degradation of society. With the invention of internet, masses have been better than ever at swallowing up propaganda, getting more easily influenced than ever. Nuclear families, immigration, women empowerment, welfare system, promoting LGBT, taking control of education and influencing children right from their tender years, all of this is ultimately aimed at destroying the existing social order. Divide and rule. Classic policy.
The question would be who gains by destabilizing society? The people holding power. With docile men and clueless women, it is just easy job to control everything. Who is the perpetrator? Religion? Corporate? Marxist/communist/socialist? Government elite? Conglomerate of politicians and corporate elite? (When I say elite, it is the top powerhouses of the trillion/billion dollar industries. Eg: The top executives of Shell.) Or is it the natural, inevitable course for a democratic capitalistic world order?
Based on the current scenario, it is not hard to speculate a dystopia if things don't change. In my opinion, the entire capitalist economy is at fault. People get blinded by profits. Greed surpasses humane notions and humanity gets trampled upon in the race for earning more profits. Capitalism has created a evolved society but if allowed to exist forever, it will simply lead to a dystopia where elite rule the world and the rest are sapless guinea pigs. Or maybe that is already the world we live in.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
I don't think there a few people controlling the workld to their will in an orderly maner. I think more that there are billion of people in the world and that everyone of them push a tiny bit in a direction that match their agenda. Some are quite powerful, some are without power. Some are naive, some know how to manipulate others.
I don't think that one day one of the few people in charge got the idea of freeing women so that they would spend more. It is more like it happened and they milked the new women with more buying power.
But let's be honest, our spending as men are completely as stupid as the spending of women. They are not more useful, just different. Buying a fancy car is no more useful than buying a fancy bag. And in statistics, men spend as much on clothes as women.
But what is interresting in term of economy in that now that women work, there overall more production, more needs to be fullfilled has people don't have time to care for their child, clean their home or make dinner themselve.
But again it just hapened and some took the opportunity... This was not the grand agenda of some lone evil genius.
zyqkvx 5y ago
Women spend 80% of the money, because weak men keep giving it to them. Of course advertisers are going focus their greatest psychological tricks on women's minds. So we basically have a country of 95% bluepill men forking over most of their money to women, and 5% of men sucking out all that money through TV/Movies/SocialMedia advertising. Women are the biggest demographic who watch TV, because they have all the free time, don't have to lift a finger to get by, get to spend money, and because the stupidest people are the last people to do away with traditional cable TV (housewives). Have you seen a daytime TV show lately? It looks like TV kindergarten, but the participants are useless housewives. They often have a 'stewart' looking male in a chauffeur looking suit clapping his hands with the rest to a childish song. It' like wtf happened to the world.
billakid 5y ago
Question : So if female spending power has increased, and might even have surpassed their male counterparts in many instances, how does this affect the common red pill argument that the main goal of females is to attract a mate to provide for her?
Seems like the rise of feminism has produced many career-minded women who are more successful, at least in the conventional sense, than their partners. Does this debunk the belief that the female mind is inferior?
johnpayne10 5y ago
Even today, men have more resources than women. So, women have to attract a man to provide for her. Besides, it is not just resources as in food, water and shelter. It is also emotional stability, attention and care, to look after her when she is pregnant. To keep her in her place. No matter how much spending power they have, these needs will always remain. It would take a hell lot of manipulation to get rid of these evolutionary instincts. Which is already going on btw. ''Strong independent woman!!''
'Female mind is inferior.' It is a complicated statement. You see...female brain and male brain are world's apart. We both have our strong points and weak points. For example, men are better at focusing on a single thing. Women are better at multitasking. We are better than women in some areas. Women are better than us in some areas. But, if you make a general observation, women can be seen as humanity's control group, while men are either super awesome or absolute losers. And even this can be explained by studying evolution and history of civilizations.
billakid 5y ago
That makes sense now. Thanks!
Imperator_Red 5y ago
People are calling you a conspiracy theorist because this is a conspiracy theory. You are over-complicating the simple. There is no corporate conspiracy. This is a democracy, and while it is not perfect, it does generally reflect the will of the voters. Women and their white knight supporters represent over 50% of the population, therefore they control over 50% of the political power. The corporations go along to get along because they just want to keep their heads down and keep making money.
It's just not a very satisfying explanation that the reason our government and corporations promote feminism is because the majority of our population supports feminism. Your brain does not want to accept that you are the minority opinion on a major social issue, because from an evolutionary survival point of view it is dangerous to hold such a strong dissident opinion. Thus your brain searches for and finds another, more satisfying explanation. It's not that you live in a country full of retards and pussies, it's that a secret cabal of powerful insiders has conspired to ruin everything so they can make a boatload of money. Yea that sounds nice but unfortunately is is bullshit.
The funny thing is that this conspiracy theory is making you completely miss the actual conspiracy that really happened - that Marxists saw they could not win a face to face fight, so for the last 50 years they have deliberately infiltrated our education system and our government in a slow burn plot to transform the west in their image.
alreadytakn 5y ago
Another reason behind social justice movements would be to inflate the labor pool and drive down wages undermining the working class. So capital gets more labor, it costs cheaper, and you get to look good while freeing the masses from oppression. It's perfect strategy tbh.
AdmirableStretch 5y ago
Of course, this is the basis of modern liberalism. It's been weaponized so that rather than empowering the individual, it severs their community and familial ties in order to make them easier to manipulate and then sells them stuff to fill the void in their life.
Churningaway 5y ago
Bingo. I hate that people think it's so easy to define all socioeconomic and political issues to be either 'Left' or 'Right' aligned. The reality is, nothing is that black and white, there's always a shade of grey in life.
But most people are actually sheeple who like easy explanations. The two political parties now are just further ways to divide us, like you said, sever the family ties which was the bedrock of a community and civilization for thousands of years. Only bad can come from this path and we've dived deep into this rabbit hole at this point. I see dark clouds forming on the horizon the deeper we go..
ANGRY_ATHEIST 5y ago
This is no conspiracy theory.
Women buy 80% of all goods and services but meanwhile men make at least 20% more of the money. Note: it is important that this does not indicate a "wage gap" because not as many women work as men do, and when they do, they choose lower paying fields.
What you have here is scientific proof of the beta bux, if women are spending 80% of the total money supply, but not earning as much as the men, it can only mean that they are spending men's money. Consequently they are targeted by commercials the most.
zyqkvx 5y ago
I knew that, wrote a similar reply before seeing yours.
Also, I recently read that even in 3rd world countries women spend ~65%.
eclectro 5y ago
Which subsequently are likely less demanding and less taxing.
Nursing, however as an example, can be quite demanding, and the higher salaries reflect that directly.
francisco_DANKonia 5y ago
And the commercials become propaganda and we have a downward spiral. We need to take the money back
foot_odor 5y ago
Exactly, whatever anount of money that women don't get due to this supposed "wage gap", they get more than it from gifts, paid dates, paid house, paid vacations, alimony,etc.
But of course, all this financial help is never taken into account because it's taken as granted, the same way they take as granted that men should still make the first move in an "equal society ".
zyqkvx 5y ago
Women put in lower hours, and work less skilled jobs; there is no wage gape as they describe it. However, by my estimates there is a wage gape, but it's the other way around. Women work unskilled jobs. If the same jobs were populated by men instead of women, those men wouldn't get nearly as much for the same work.
rma92 5y ago
Speaking of gifts, this is an appropriate time of year for this conversation. "Men are evil. Let's get rid of all of them." "Honey, buy me things!!!"
tempolaca 5y ago
No. It can also mean that they are not saving it.
Women usually don't buy houses. They inherit them, get them from their exes or live with their parents until old age.
We men, better save to buy a house or live in the streets. Buying a house requires huge amounts of money. We men have to save. Women do not.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Just to be clear out of the persons that I know, either they are in couples and they buy their flat/house together or they are single and they buy alone be it men or women.
I know many women that brought their own flat, my sister to being with. I also know many men that are not interrested in real estate at all.
You guys generalize too much.
Shadowthrice 5y ago
Men earn, and women spend.
Then they complain that we don't give them enough.
johnpayne10 5y ago
Then feminism comes in, and they start spending more than ever. When beta bucks, the women is not really getting profit.
jonpe87 5y ago
"see how the money flows"
This is the best redpill advice you can have... in any given context ask yourself does anyone gain money from this? If yes, everything else is just a show, if the anwser is no, you are a fool in the given context.
German8835 5y ago
Nothing is free. The only exception is when you are the product.
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twofones 5y ago
The question I’ve been sorting out ever since the quarantine is this: who are the men propping up and profiting from this charade.
When someone comes to compel you when you don’t comply, that person arresting you or wrestling you down will be a man.
“Only a fool would think women invented feminism”
So who are the men attacking your liberties, turning your children and women against you. That is who we need to start focusing on. Feminism is just a distraction for everyone.
Let’s sort out where the men are involved, men we can oppose, men we can overcome.
It’s time we have upgraded our conversations to factor in the parts of the framework where the MEN prop it up. Starting with how to reach young boys (Snapchat is propagandizing them and girls all day every day) all the way to: who are the assholes that will allow women to gain destructive institutional power? Is it zuck? Bezos? Is it a military general?
There is no feminine matrix, women don’t have the agency to build and maintain high power institutions. Who are the men giving them power over you?
Is it you?
johnpayne10 5y ago
The social media apps are pretty much dumbing down everyone. It is truly a decline if you just see the hordes of zombies, glued to their phones. Easiest means to keep the masses in check.
dettXXL 5y ago
If you are really curious about what is going on, listen to this interview: https://youtu.be/y3qkf3bajd4?t=3436 Especially the bit at 58:22 about how leftists only serve for one purpose - destabilization of a nation.
The interview is old, but even the contemporary Russia's military doctrine has "destabilize/weaken foes" included in it. Neomarxist ideologies such as the one of feminists does just that.
EDIT:
This guy is ex-KGB. Guess what's the background of Mr. Putin.
jonpe87 5y ago
The answer is easy: every billionaire on this earth. By the oversexualization of the culture and of the body and using this as an impulse to consume, because the urgency to be an optimal sex partner is the strong instintct in us, those people has create the perfect culture to generate capital.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
They don't need to do anything for that, people already doing that thousand of year ago... Just check history and just see the buildings that are still there showing the reality. The powerfull of the past were as vain as people today. They was no need for piramids just to serve as tomb, for palace like versaille castle so that the castle of the king would look more fantastic than the one make by one of his subjects, for napoleon to invade europe and all the things like that. It is in human nature and not just women.
And it isn't about billionaires, people want to outshine other, show how great they are, impress other. They also, like child have new games, new things to play with. Read the book of the past, of then antiquity, human nature has not changed.
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saucierlol 5y ago
Funnily enough, in the 20th century Japanese society they did the same thing (becoming a female centric economy) in a totally different manner. Instead of supporting and promoting feminism and women empowement through an "egalitarian" shift, they promoted the ideology names "Good Wife, Wise Mother" which advocates for a very traditionalist role for women. Stay-at-home moms that take care of basically everything in the house, including what? Including the family's income and budget. In this paradigm, the man works and does nothing else (direct causality with the work culture in Japan here), while the women takes care of the children, the house, and all the expanditures (i.e. she buys a lot of useless shit). I am not a defender of any kind of economic model that compeltely hands over the financial responsibility to the woman. I just think it is interesting to note.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This shit just shows how easily women can be manipulated. If we started a campaign today to turn women into homemakers and had buy-in from the major players (government, education, media), we could completely re-program women within 30-40 years and they'd be viciously shaming anyone who falls outside the new paradigm.
BurnoutRS 5y ago
Consider the means of consolidating power.
Human beings have been playing this game since the first man whacked another man over the head and took his deer shank or whatever the fuck. We arent the only things that have been evolving. The games we play, the systems we create, they all evolve with us. A caveman has no need for advanced manipulation tactics, in fact, the resources and processes he would have to go through to aqquire the ability to employ those tactics far surpass the time and effort needed to go get a big stick.
The thing is though, as we continue playing the game of civilization, we keep finding things that are unfair, and making laws or rules to try and correct them. We make the use of the big stick on other humans forbidden, punishable by death. Now the cavemen need to find a new way to put one over on each other.
Now follow this trail further down the line, and imagine that we arrive at a point where you've consolidated so much power, that you have influence over the very environments people are born into.
To hold power, you must defeat those who would take it from you. What if you defeat them by preventing them from ever gaining power in the first place?
Conspiracies happen after the fact. Im almost certain of it. Some guys sister wrote in her diary all the time. He went to scho and saw a gawky kid jouring. he called him a sissy. the kid stopped journalling. another kid took notice of how, when his buddy got bullied and stopped journalling, he lost a valuable means of organizing his thoughts and consolidating his power...
Make a boy think going to the gym will make him gay, and it will be far easier for you to bend him over and fuck him in the ass.
CainPrice 5y ago
It's true. Women used to say home, hang wet clothes on a clothesline in the back yard, clip coupons, buy groceries on the cheap in bulk, and work together with their husbands to focus on shit the family needed while saving money to improve their place in life.
Now, most women have jobs and since they have jobs, they feel more comfortable (even entitled) about spending more money.
And the household has shifted from saving money to stretch Dad's paycheck to keeping up with the Jones. Over-extended families paying the mortgage on a 4-bedroom in suburbia and making car payments every month on the newest SUV. Dad pays Jose to mow the lawn instead of doing it himself because he's working too many hours to pay off the credit card his wife keeps running up on Amazon, or making his son do it because his son is too busy smoking weed and complaining about how school is too hard and he's too tired to get a job or do chores. And since Mom works, they have to pay Consuela to clean the house, and even though the maid comes once a week, piles of clothing are everywhere because nobody folds shit. And the kitchen in their suburban mansion looks great. It's state of the art, and nobody ever uses it, so it's super-clean.
And when Mom divorces Dad, we know Dad is going to live frugally on a budget and save his money, so we make sure most of Dad's paycheck goes to Mom, who will spend fervently to avoid feeling like she's lost one shred of the style of living she used to have.
johnpayne10 5y ago
That is what alimony is all about. No one actually cares about her lifestyle going down. It is all about her spending power. Because that would hurt companies. And we are talking about this on a national/global scale.
Churningaway 5y ago
Even more than that man. These women now feel entitled to spending money that's not even theirs. They're usually spoiled by daddy who was too busy trying to work up the corporate chain he never realized that throwing money at his daughter isn't stopping her from becoming a basic bitch
saucierlol 5y ago
What I am still asking myself to this day is when does this entitlement to having everything paid for by the man switches from uncouscious to conscious. You ask women these days and they tell you "I deserve to be taken care of, this is my birthright". How shitty was their upbringing to be able to think and say that unironically.
SoulRebel99 5y ago
Very true. I'm surprised more people on here haven't connected the dots themselves. Women are more susceptible to marketing, framing and social control. They go, where the herd goes, not much rational distinction. It's not all bad, however, there are some who can resist by varying degrees, but their underlying psychology is very similar. AWALT, to varying degrees.
extragreensauce 5y ago
thanks for bringing the knowledge back to light. here are some more of his campaigns:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public\_relations\_campaigns\_of\_Edward\_Bernays
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can apply this from the shoes you wear to the television shows you watch to borders within which u live
foxhound525 5y ago
Spot on. I believe the youtube channel Wisecrack did a video on something similar, how rebellion against capitalism was eventually turned into a corporate theme to make more money, e.g. that Rick and Morty episode where that Rick who tries to break out of the system ends up becoming part of an advertisement campaign for the very system he was trying to escape. Different theme but the same concept. Spin whatever's popular into your PR machine to print more money.
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Kpwn88 5y ago
It's the... (rhymes with news)
johnpayne10 5y ago
Well, at least I am better than other news channel. for eg: CUNTNN xD
poohead3 5y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ZP0SEtYVU
ZhukovsSwingingDick 5y ago
Holy fucking shit, this place is becoming the worst of the worst.
People here are so quick to connect whatever floating dots they see in their musguided heads and instantly hate on women for it, or blame feminism for every time they step on a lego.
This is quickly becoming the most misinformed forum I frequent, bring back 2013 TRP.
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Saun522 5y ago
Nobody's blaming feminism, at least, not deliberately. OP is just making the point that feminism is profitable to enough people for it to be worth promoting. Think of all the body positivity shit going around, all that does is make women buy more cake. Cause you know, "it's women that decide what makes them attractive to men, definitely not guys right... I mean, who'd be stupid enough to think guys get to decide what they are attracted to in a woman..." All I'm pointing out is that the people who promote things like "fat chicks are just as sexy as healthy chicks" often have a monetary incentive behind their actions and that anyone with a reasonable enough intelligence can see this
ZhukovsSwingingDick 5y ago
Friend, this is him literally using they [feminists, women] as a placeholder for what he doesn't understand is called capitalism (a mode of production that produces commodities for profit instead of for use value).
This is people literally talking out of their ass on things that encompass whole fields of study, much like a lot of the speculation on economy and the social fields in this subreddit.
I can get talking about how to deal with women in our personal circles, but as soon as people who don't study social sciences in the least bit go around trying to diagnose the woes of economic and social problems today with red pill technique (which isn't made to be a political or political economic philosophy) it gets silly.
orcscorper 5y ago
You're doing it again.
OP said corporations promoted feminism to increase their profits, and you say he is blaming feminists and women. He's asking "Who benefits?", and you may recall him saying
I'm quite certain he understands it is called capitalism. Corporations exist to generate as much profit as possible, yes? In the example in OP's edit, in a world where it was seen as unladylike to smoke, would it not double the potential customer base of the tobacco companies to manipulate public opinion so women could smoke without being thought of as harlots? Did that thing happen, and did the tobacco companies not profit greatly? They didn't do it for women or feminism; they did it for money.
Incel9876 5y ago
That was then, many modern executives are so driven by ideology that they'll sacrifice profits for PR. Of course, they'll still claim the PR is expected to bring more profits, but that is just the cover story, and they will not quietly back down even when the results are clearly tens of millions in losses.
https://www.businessinsider.com/target-ceo-blindsided-by-boycott-2017-4
The boycott cost the company millions in lost sales and added expenses. Shopper traffic and same-store sales started sliding for the first time in years after the blog post, and the company was forced to spend $20 million installing single-occupancy bathrooms in all its stores to give critics of the policy more privacy.
Critics of the policy said it opened the door for sexual predators to victimize women and children inside the retailer's bathrooms, and more than 1.4 million people signed a pledge to stop shopping at Target unless it reversed the policy.
Sales fell nearly 6% in the three quarters after the post compared with the same period last year, and same-store sales have dropped every quarter since the post.
Cornell didn't approve the post, according to The Journal, but he supported the policy in interviews after it was published.
"We took a stance, and we are going to continue to embrace our belief of diversity and inclusion," Cornell said in an interview with CNBC in May.
Patric_MasterBateman 5y ago
Did you watch "The Century of the Self" ?
johnpayne10 5y ago
Yes, I have. Also studying some other stuff.
Patric_MasterBateman 5y ago
cool, what is the other stuff ?
johnpayne10 5y ago
Psychology, propaganda, manipulation related books and other resources. Books written by Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays. Also studying evopsych, basic history of economies and civilizations. Everything to get a broader perspective of the world.
Patric_MasterBateman 5y ago
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/neurogenetics-and-human-consciousness-2329-6895.1000e109.php?aid=22382
DareyFathom 5y ago
I'd agree it doesn't necessarily benefit women. Though I'm skeptical most are capable of identifying the long term negatives associated with mindless consumerism. Evil straight white men are the ultimate losers as they've become scapegoats for every single negative in society.
Kpwn88 5y ago
Agree and Amplify. Hell, get yourself a swastika tattoo. ZFG is meme warfare 101. Chicks dig the badboy.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
The following clip of Frenchman, Alain Soral (subtitled in English) has been around for a long time. He dissects Feminism for what it really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5zrdTb-yI
vfb14 5y ago
Work on yourself physically , try to become rational and aware. Learn to recognize bullshit when you see it and move it along. Things only get to you when you let them.
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eclectro 5y ago
"So here's food for thought. Think about how feminism benefited corporate sector."
Is it because women by nature are spendthrifts and many can not control their buying impulse? Hence the rise of needless "shoe collections."
There's probably something here that could go into more TRP theory- the need to be sold to and the need to buy.
Men conversely as we all know, want to build societies by engineering buildings and inventing shit.
Definitely worthy of more exploration.
johnpayne10 5y ago
From a TRP perspective, women's primary strategy is acquiring resources by offering their sexuality. That is why they spend so much on makeup, shoes, dresses and latest fashion trends. To look good, outdo other females in charming the most valuable alpha. Companies profit by exploiting their insecure nature.
orcscorper 5y ago
Speaking of shoes, surely you've heard the one about two guys on a hike who encounter a bear, and one of them starts changing into running shoes. His buddy says, "You think you can outrun a bear with those things?" "I don't have to outrun the bear", he replied. "I just have to outrun you."
That's women with shoes, nails, and all the other bullshit that no straight guy cares about, but reversed. They aren't chasing men; they are outrunning other women. They dress to intimidate the competition. They have to have that Vuitton or Fendi bag, when the only men who will even notice don't swing that way.
johnpayne10 5y ago
Interesting observation. It is not just about seducing/attracting alpha, it is about outdoing other women.
geo_gan 5y ago
Think men are the same though. Why do you think men spend a fortune on expensive super cars - most of the time it just impresses other men. Women generally aren’t smart enough to know the difference between one model and the next.
orcscorper 5y ago
I don't think it's the same at all.
Men don't buy supercars to impress women, or to impress other men; they buy them because they are super fun, and because they can.
geo_gan 5y ago
Because they can? By that logic, women buy shoes “because they can”. Don’t argue that lots of things people buy are not to impress or attract a mate.
Iceklimber 5y ago
These Spots are by the same company
Mrkzmn7pnt62 5y ago
Wow this has blown my mind. It has put perspective on The Red Pill that has brought it all full circle for me. Thank you OP
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U-94 5y ago
Babylonian money magic, just another control mechanism on this planet. I approach it with a bit of cognitive dissonance. I know money's value is an illusion but I understand for the sake of my comfort, I must play the game. Also piling up more colored paper than the guy next to you means you're more valuable at something. That's a rare good feeling in the swirling, meaningless chaos of the universe.
thrwwy425 5y ago
Look at how lazy so much entertainment media is for more examples. There’s so much hacky feminist writing that people are happy to throw money at because “hey look, they made an all-women Shawshank Redemption!” They’ve figured out they don’t need a coherent story, good pacing, or well-developed characters as long as they tick a few diversity boxes (bonus points for fat/trans people) and pack in a handful of scenes where men get put in their place.
For more references, see: every Netflix show, new StarWars, the last several seasons of Game of Thrones
SalporinRP 5y ago
God I miss the 70's-80's era of movies. Every hero actually earned their success through hard work, intelligence, or a combination of both.
Look at even the biggest female protagonists of the era. Ripley from Aliens and Sarah Conner from terminator. No pretending that they can take on men in fist fights. They survive because they made smart decisions not because "every woman is strong and independent".
Now look at the protagonist in the new star wars movies. Written by a committee headed by a woman who wears "the force is female" shirts. And accomplishes everything despite never training a day in her life.
Hollywood has become so terrible lately.
Standgrounding 5y ago
game of thrones is for normies tho
orcscorper 5y ago
"The Showershank redemption?" Teenage me would watch the shit out of that.
thrwwy425 5y ago
This isn’t limited to feminism. You have to remain ever-vigilant for people trying to sell you happiness. Not that being sold things is inherently bad, but it’s easy to become swept up in the numbing effects of consumerism.
Oblilisk 5y ago
I disagree. You sound like someone still in the anger phase, looking to blame their problems on something other than human nature. We as a society became feminized because we took what women said at face value. We as a society failed shit tests on a macro and micro scale, giving a false impression of what women are and how we should act.
You're stating that it was corporations who turned society more feminine. That is not true. Anybody who knows anything about economics realizes that companies make their profits based off of societal needs. If there is no need for the product, the company will fail. Corporations advertise to a feminized society NOT to brain wash us, but simply because that is the type of society we have become.
Corporations did not "unleash women". We as a society did because we thought that was what they wanted. Corporations simply just took advantage of it.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
1000x this. Corporation culture and policy is downstream of the main culture.
orcscorper 5y ago
Yes, everyone who took high school economics realizes that, as everyone who took an American civics class knows that spending bills originate in the House, and all other bills originate in the Senate. Anyone who pays any attention to the world realizes they were spoon-fed bullshit.
Companies make their profits off of whatever is profitable. Society needs moderately healthy food, that tastes pretty good. There is more money in shitty, processed food full of sugar and transfats that even the people who eat it all the time admit isn't any good, but it fulfills a craving. There is even more money in organic kale-quinoa chips that taste even worse, but fulfill another craving felt by a different segment of society. Those are the most profitable food options, so that's what you see advertised. There's not enough money in a whole chicken, a bag of carrots, a bag of potatoes and a pound of butter. You can feed your whole family for the cost of a Big Mac-Dorito Chalupa, or a free-range pomegranate-chia smoothie.
It was never stated that corporations are turning society more feminine. Women want it, and blue-pilled men give it to them, because that's what they do. This is true. But ask yourself, who is feeding us all of these blue pills? And what's in it for them?
johnpayne10 5y ago
Well, I am not. Thanks for making me laugh though.
Give a thought to how the society-wide shit tests originated. Do you honestly think that a bunch of women conspired to break free of patriarchy and shit-tested the whole society? It was induced and abetted by the corporate sector. In order to sell their products.
Don't you think that today, companies are producing tons of shit we don't need? Shit that is absolutely redundant? Companies create need by manipulating consumers. That is kind of the point of my post.
We did not automatically become feminized. It was done systematically. Women suddenly did not become any different than what they were hundreds of years ago. Neither did men suddenly go through a testosterone depleting disease.
Try to see the link between corporate sector, consumerism and feminism. That will help you understand the bigger picture.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Um... yes. It's called politics. A bunch of people organize (conspire) to try to achieve their political ends.
I don't know if we need it, but someone certainly wants it, otherwise the company would lose money and go out of business. Are you daft?
Oblilisk 5y ago
Every woman shit tests. I don't think a few women conspired the whole society, I'm not a conspiracy theorist like you. No, when every single woman shit tests THAT can move an entire society. When half of the entire population shit tests, THAT can move an entire society. Men have been failing shit tests for centuries, which is why society has been declining for a long time now.
I suggest you learn economics if you think companies make money by manipulating an entire society. If you want to profit you fill a void in society. Feminism has created many voids in our society for products you and I would not use, but that void still exists whether you agree with it or not.
johnpayne10 5y ago
Dude...honestly, I can guarantee you that companies make money by manipulating entire society. I understand I can come off as a conspiracy theorist. But I am being pretty serious. And besides I have already studied a lot of shit and am saying this based on factual data. This is not a theory. Feminism empowered women to spend more money on stupid shit. If feminism was not in place, a lot of industries would not be as well developed as they are today. Watch where the money flows m8. Men failing shit tests does not really come into the picture here. It is corporate sector baiting all of us and reeling us in hook, line and sinker.
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MoDuReddit 5y ago
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It's not a conspiracy theory if there's overwhelming evidence. In that case, there's just social delusion, a.k.a. blue pill.
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Yeah for example Porn industry, most of the entertainment companies and companies big enough to influence other countries socio-cultural status and fund leftist organizations like Antifa.
They stick their long noses to other peoples lives...
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DownyGall 5y ago
I don't know man, it's probably coincidental who owns all these companies.
johnpayne10 5y ago
Jews? I am actually considering if Jews are behind everything. xD Just kidding
TheBadGoy 5y ago
As he wrote in 1948, “I see nothing but a world of ruins, where a kind of front line is possible only in the catacombs.” To sustain this underground resistance, it was henceforth necessary to adopt a stoic—an indifferent—attitude to the frenzied antics of what had become a totally Hebraicized world."
DownyGall 5y ago
If only there were a third position between communism and capitalism...
Imperator_Red 5y ago
One has nothing to do with the other. Capitalism is an economic system in which we allow companies to access capital from private investors and protect them with the rule of law. Consumerism is a moral philosophy that says that the greatest happiness comes from owning or using the greatest amount of consumer goods and services.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Money is the bedrock of modern civilization. Power lies not in the hands of the biggest brute but in the hands of the man with the most money. Our inherent biological desire to be the best, to fuck the best, to do it as easily as possible is being exploited for economic gain.
Conspiracy theories fantasize about global puppeteers pulling strings when infact to understand where we come from from and where we going you simply have to follow the bread crumbs, in this case the breadcrumbs being money.
The global economy needs to keep growing to sustain a growing population. Hoarding money doesn't make for great economy growth. Men horde money. They make far more logical decisions. Best way to keep feeding the goose? Feminize society as much as possible. Not an evil villain(or feminist groups) rubbing his hands plotting world domination, but simple capitalist principles.
Get people to want more, get people to desire more, get people to spend more. Social media displaying luxury lives you could have. Need to go to get pizza but don't feel like it? No we'll bring it to you! Modern education production lines ensuring we all fit the mould.
And you better participate, or else you don't sleep, you don't eat and you won't survive.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Actually this is 100% backwards. While short run decreases in consumption can slow growth and disrupt the economy, long term economic growth is driven by savings, not consumption. Or really we say long term economic growth is driven by deferred consumption, since that's all that savings really is. So when men "horde" (save) their money, they are driving long term economic growth because that fur coat or new couch they could have purchased are instead invested into a new factory or office building.
writewhereileftoff 5y ago
Hmm? More often than not people use loans for such investments. What about inflation eating away at your savings?
SalporinRP 5y ago
Yeah the idea that there's this group of mustache-twirling elites pulling the strings on every facet of society is laughable. There are definitely groups that do it, but not on the scale conspiracy theorists think.
This century will be very interesting because it seems we are at a crossroads where so many problems are intersecting at once:
Climate Change: Could fuck us all by 2060 who knows at this point.
Automation (putting millions of low-skill workers out of work)
AI (could be dangerous)
Increasing division of the populace (at least in the US)
Might all go to shit honestly. Hope it doesn't but the outlook isn't very bright in my personal opinion.
a_turtle_on_fire 5y ago
Spot on. Having read "Crystallizing Public Opinion," as I was reading your post I was already thinking of that perfect example, I'm glad you brought it up in your edit.
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ZoroasterFlame 5y ago
If we were to see a pile of bricks in the shape of a house, with walls and windows and chimney and roof, and a hole in the side of that pile of bricks, we would justly conclude that there is a house, and that whoever is building it, if they would continue, will place the next bricks where the hole in the side is.
centaursg 5y ago
It's easy to assume that humans are by default capable of being moral and good etc.. we are not. May be we are not supposed to moral etc for our own benefit ( money, status, progress of society, novel inventions , discoveries etc) All the corporations etc exist because there is a demand for the products or services they sell.. they create demand by manipulating people ( like apple making you buy dongles) and is not to be seen with narrow mindset as it has at the same time created lot of good innovative products that make our present life easy. This phenomena of getting manipulated is not just limited to feminists or women. Men fall for such manipulation too ( Harley Davidson ruggedness etc)
Red pill will help us in becoming a better version of ourselves and it's all about improving ourselves in every way possible..may be through red pill we can identify our needs and wants better and make a better decision..
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PM_ME_UR_NAKED_TITS 5y ago
Which is not necessarily a problem (or rather, yet). Just because they don't see this, doesn't mean that they can't or never will, it's just that it doesn't affect them (or they think it doesn't). People only really care about the things that affect them right now and maybe in the near future, but not longer than that. That's why declining birth rates, global warming etc happen: a) companies make money from it b) it doesn't affect the daily lives of people.
kaspell 5y ago
This would be where I would insert the conversation about the 'challenge' we humans have to logically base decisions on delayed gratification. It's an inherent bias even when we know we get more (candy bars is the study i recall) if we just sit on our hands. Studies are out there if you care to look. But the waiting game goes against our desire to act in the now, i'm thinking it's that whole dopamine feedback loop nemesis at work.
DeontologicalSanders 5y ago
Homosexual Lewis Boil, you are incorrect. The root motivation of all human behavior is our sexual imperative. For men, it's to have as many options sexually as possible. Money and status = increased sexual options. There are of course practical limits to this, but the components of our brain responsible for sex drive are not sophisticated enough to recognize them, let alone to mute said drive when those limits are broached. From a male psychological standpoint, more money and power = more sex, all the way to the grave.
People who purport themselves as and appear to be "economically motivated" have merely achieved a higher level of this same strategy. To appear intrinsically or extrinsically motivated by things other than sex and women is just a very effective sales pitch for the exact same behavior. It's subconscious design is to elicit the response "Wow, he's just so driven and confident. It's like he doesn't even worry about women." Outwardly, having a mission other than women is most important when the principal observers of said behavior are women. When it's only men observing, results are really the only thing that matter. Breaking away from being directly and consciously sex-motivated is a behavior learned through trial, error, and success, which is why it's so rarefied and well-regarded. But even when you're firing on all cylinders and sex is the last thing on your mind, the undercurrent of your desire for it still lies at the core of every word you speak and everything you do.
johnpayne10 5y ago
Great comment. It is true. 100%. Sex is pretty much at the bottom of everything. As Sigmund Freud said, we are only driven by two things. 1 - Sex, 2 - Desire to become great.
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xddm2653 5y ago
Interesting perspective. You honestly opened my eyes to something I'd never thought about - no wonder commercials are so f*cking annoying these days, they're all catering to girls
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Advertising/marketing departments are bastions of the progressive orthodoxy.
Also nowadays, most advertising is made by and for millennials. So yeah it’s annoying as fuck. And yeah these departments are loaded with virtue signaling careerist women.
johnpayne10 5y ago
Thank you. And yup, those commercials suck ass xD.
DownyGall 5y ago
Not always. They also cater to Leftist politics - why are there so many interracial couples and dads at home with babies in commercials now?
xddm2653 5y ago
Feminism and leftism coincide, that's why
ishavek 5y ago
This is exactly what my friend told me about yesterday. The guys who head the corporations that profit off feminism are laughing their way to the bank.
Highborn_Hellest 5y ago
You get it. Money talks, everything else is meaningless. It's quite genius if you think about it. A company only exists to make money. They found a way how to make more. I mean.... this is old news tbh
rma92 5y ago
This.
In my personal opinion, money isn't a solution to every problem in life. But having it makes life a hell of a lot easier.
BitchBiter 5y ago
Please be serious. If your eyes were open and you understood reality, you would be a gibbering pile of insanity, unable to shitpost and ruin my morning. This whole thing reads like, "I'm not crying, you're crying". These industries exist because human nature demands them. Manipulative behavior and delusional thinking are part and parcel of evolutionary survival mechanisms. Indeed, let the profits roll in. Try living in some third-world nightmare that's been relegated to the status of Misery Farm. You're gonna find the exact same behaviors, only worse.
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You are backwards my man. The so-called red pill isn't about opening your eyes and understanding reality, it's about closing your eyes and cultivating truth.
johnpayne10 5y ago
You are barely coherent my dear friend...
SimilarHamster 5y ago
haha you got downvoted for no apparent reason
johnpayne10 5y ago
How about the fact that he is an autist? Or am I dealing with another autist here?
SimilarHamster 5y ago
He has a opinion, do you have an opinion? If so you are also an autist.