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Summary: Women hide their sexual sides from men they like out of fear. If you can make a woman feel accepted, without any expectations or judgment, she will show you her true, sexual self, and thank you for the opportunity.


A story as old as time, or at least as old as the 21st century: a woman spends her 20s partying and having some quantity of casual sex, that quantity ranging from moderate to absolutely jaw-dropping. Around age 28-32, she’s had enough of the party life and wants to get more serious with a special guy. She takes things slower with him. They have a mediocre but not incredible sex life. That’s okay with her, because she loves him for other reasons. He wouldn’t mind a little more sex, but he’s happy to have a devoted girlfriend who’s good to him. Then he finds out that before she met him, she was a very, very busy girl. He shits his pants, because he thought he was dating a good girl, and it turns out she’s a slut. He has no idea how he could have missed the signs or how she could have fooled him so thoroughly. Worse, he has no idea why she wanted to fool him in the first place. Why would she want him to think she’s less sexual than she really is? Shouldn’t she want to be sexual with her serious boyfriend as much or more than she wanted to with casual guys?

In modern times, sexuality has become pretty fucked up.

Men and women are both sexual creatures. Women especially. Women think about sex a lot more often than we’re led to believe they do. Women masturbate. Women watch porn. Also, since finding guys willing to fuck them comes pretty easily, women have casual sex. A lot of casual sex. Why masturbate when they have willing partners?

Most women you’ve met have done things that would make your jaw drop if you knew. If you’ve never gotten a blowjob in your car from a woman on her lunch break from work, you don’t know women.

The number of women who like their hair pulled during sex, being spanked, being choked, having their arms pinned, being shoved against walls, being fucked hard (and I mean hard - whatever you think is hard, they like it twice as rough as that) – it’s staggering. Women love exploring. They love fun, playful sex. They love dirty, slutty sex. They love to feel desired, sexy, sexual, and even a little slutty. In the right context.

The thing is, when a woman really lets her sexual side show, that’s a very vulnerable time for her. She doesn’t want to be rejected. Worse, she doesn’t want to be judged.

That’s why the woman in our story as old as time hides her sexual side from her serious partner. She wasn’t less attracted to him than she was to her casual partners. If anything, she was more attracted to him, which is why she worked so hard to pretend to be a good girl to keep him. She wasn’t trying to con him. Not really.

She just didn’t want him to look at her differently.

She was afraid that if she let her sexual side show and was as dirty and slutty as she likes to be, he wouldn’t look at her the same way. She was afraid to be vulnerable in that way for him.

A lot of women, feminists, and blue pilled guys would shout at this man and tell him that he has no right to feel the way he feels, or to judge her, and that he has major insecurities. In truth, he probably does feel a bit insecure. But the man in our story isn’t concerned with his own insecurities. He’s concerned with hers. He’s with a woman who feels like she needs to hide herself from him and pretend she’s something she’s not. He’s not worried that his girlfriend is going to suddenly leave him to go hook up with guys in bars again. He’s worried that he’s spent the past however long they’ve been together not knowing the real her, while she’s felt like she needs to hide her sexual self from him.

She’s the insecure one. Why is she hiding her sexuality from him?

He didn’t judge her. He never had the chance to judge her. She didn’t give him that chance. She was the one that judged him. She judged him as someone she couldn’t be vulnerable with.

It’s really a fucked up situation. Women are afraid to be vulnerable for their serious partners. But when they meet a fun guy for a hook-up that they’re not going to see again, they can really let go and be themselves. They can be forward and fun and flirty and dirty and sexual and slutty, and it doesn’t matter because they don’t care if they see this guy again. A woman will be more vulnerable for a stranger than she will for her husband. A woman will be more true to herself and her sexuality with a guy she meets off of Tinder and never sees again than with her serious boyfriend.

When women are more vulnerable – more intimate – with strangers than with their serious partners, this causes them to separate love from sex. When a woman doesn’t want to date a guy but she’s horny, she’ll let her true self show and go home with him an hour after meeting him so he can bend her over her bed and ram her from behind while yanking on her hair, then finish on her tits. And she’ll enjoy the hell out of it. But if she really likes someone, she will be less eager and less enthusiastic about having sex with him, because she has trained herself over the past decade to treat love and sex as completely separate entities. Somebody she really likes earns missionary sex after romancing her for three dates, but never gets to see her true, sexual self.

Despite how evil we would like to believe women are, this isn’t always a mercenary act of manipulation, done to trick guys they’re not attracted to into commitment. This is primarily a defensive mechanism, born out of fear, not malice. She’s afraid. Love and sex are separate for her because being her true, sexual self is vulnerable. If she’s her true, sexual self with a loved one, she’s afraid he won’t look at her the same way.

Obviously, as Red Pill men, we want to be the kind of guy for whom women show their true sexuality, rather than the kind of guy who gets misled. There are two ways to approach this.

First, you can become the kind of guy who is sexy, but that women don’t want to date.

We focus a lot on this first approach. Hitting the gym, improving our social, professional, and recreational lives, being fun and interesting, demonstrating confidence and value, but also bantering, being cocky, aloof, uninvested, and a bit of an asshole. Challenging women to earn our attention. We become the perfect guy for a hook-up. Someone hot and fun, but someone that a woman wouldn’t want to date seriously.

Second, you can become the kind of guy that women trust not to judge them. Someone they’re comfortable being vulnerable with.

We don’t focus as much on this second approach. How to get a woman to really feel comfortable and open up for you sexually. How to get a woman to trust you with her vulnerability, as she lets go and gives you 100 percent of her true, sexual self. This one is a little bit harder, because for that to happen, a woman needs to trust in your ability to love and connect with someone, without judgment or expectation. A woman needs to trust in your sense of acceptance.

There’s a threshold a man who knows the game can eventually cross, where he passes from being knowledgeable at the game, even skilled at it, to accepting the game. He reaches a point where he’s no longer playing the game against women, or for women, or to get women, but is instead playing the game with women, together. Whatever happens, whatever a woman is like, it’s all good. It’s not that he doesn’t care. It’s that he accepts, perhaps even appreciates, each woman for who she is.

That is the man who can fuck a woman into oblivion, treat her like his dirty little slut, and when the sex is over, she will snuggle against his chest and thank him, and feel closer to him than she’s ever felt to another man.

Accepting women, without judgment or expectation, and giving them the space to be as dirty, slutty, and sexual as they are, will lead to the truest connections, the greatest amount of intimacy, and the best sex. If you can be that guy, you will know a woman better and more intimately than her future husband ever will. You will see the real her, while her husband sees only the mask she wears for him.

[-] nebder 213 Points 5 months ago

If I could go back in time I would tell myself one thing: Treat women as sexual creatures. My relationships now are so much better just allowing women’s sexuality to be free in my presence. Everyone is happier.

I initially signal acceptance of their sexuality by talking about fantasies. I share some of my fantasies and have her share some of hers. I escalate into the darker stuff on my end, then they tend to open up about their darker stuff. We are all a bit twisted we just don’t open up for fear of social exclusion.

I have yet to find a woman who did not appreciate being dominated since I wholeheartedly implemented sex god method in my life. It has to be congruent with your personality. I exhibit my sexuality then when the clothes come off I pin em, throw em around, choke em (correctly, apply pressure to the side of the neck only. Don’t want to crush a windpipe or block an artery. do your research first) yank their pants down and panties off, ravish them and generally treat them like a sex object for my pleasure. They eat it up. Words cannot describe really. I do get shit from her like nobody ever fucked me like that or wow that was amazing.

Sex god method works. Read and apply it.

[-] CainPrice 64 Points 5 months ago

I would give myself the absolute same advice.

Along with maybe staring working out earlier in life and walking up and talking to absolutely every woman I see fearlessly.

When a slutty girl starts testing the waters with small innuendos and probes and hints that she's been playing the down-for-anything game for awhile, I always act intrigued. Even like I admire her for it. Almost an "Oooo. Fun!" reaction instead of a "Really? Whatever." reaction. I like to get a girl regaling me with stories. To which I respond sexually, not judgmentally. All of her stories are hot, fun, funny, or interesting. Sometimes I have to pretend a little bit - occasionally, I'm still a little surprised by something someone has done.

There was one girl. She wasn't feeling it and didn't want to have sex with the guy, but at his request she shoved her entire fist and a good bit of her forearm up his ass. I think I managed a, "Yeah...that one's a little strange."

[-] erthian 9 Points 5 months ago

This is really good advice. I was going to ask 'how do you differentiate between this and shit tests', but then I realized you don't. This works for both situations.

[-] BitsAndBobs304 6 Points 5 months ago

Easy to give this advice when you have the most mainstream fantasies tbat most men and women share to skme degree and that is congruent with what is expected of a sexy masculine man to be

[-] nebder 13 Points 5 months ago

tf are you trying to say man

You want insight into women’s fantasies then just pick up my secret garden from audible. They’re darker than most people think.

[-] BitsAndBobs304 5 Points 5 months ago

Yes, but 99% women want a sexually dominant sadistic man to varying degrees. If you have other fantasies you have to lie qnd pretend to be one.

[-] SuperCrazy07 8 Points 5 months ago

if you have other fantasies you have to lie

LOL, what are you fantasizing about? Taking her to a cemetery, digging up a body, and having a threesome?

[-] BitsAndBobs304 13 Points 5 months ago

Some men have the misfortune of having masochistic submissive sexual fantasies. But I have to act and pretend to be dominant just to make her happy to have any chance of having a sex further

[-] nebder 7 Points 5 months ago

My man there’s always a complementary kink out there. You just haven’t found it yet. Femdom is definitely a thing for sub men. Surprised you are not aware to be honest.

Get on fetlife and look for local switches or fem doms. Find the local adult bookstores and get involved in your local kink/BSDM scene. You can find a lady to give you what you want.

[-] BitsAndBobs304 8 Points 5 months ago

My man there’s always a complementary kink out there. You just haven’t found it yet. Femdom is definitely a thing for sub men. Surprised you are not aware to be honest.

Get on fetlife and look for local switches or fem doms. Find the local adult bookstores and get involved in your local kink/BSDM scene. You can find a lady to give you what you want

hhaha of course I know it exists.. but the ratio is so skewed it's beyond being tragicomic. it's so skewed that even in porn it's incredibly rare to find an actress who's actually into it - and that isn't "into it" because she actually hates and despises men.
sure, I've been to munchs and on fetlife. not only the ratio is above 2:1 men:women, but 100% of men declared themselves to be doms and 100% of women to be subs - the only variation was on the kind of preferred activities.
To say that there are complementary kink women is like saying that there are plenty of people who are into juggling on a skateboard downhill while wearing a fruit hat on even fridays of months that begin with j - sure someone who does it exists, but that doesn't make it realistic for an individual to meet someone who not only is into it, but is also compatible AND si attracted to you

[-] Dafuq_Gusthapened 3 Points 5 months ago

Yo BitsAndBobs! Dude, you're good! You're just messing with the wrong type of girl. There are TONS of femdoms out there. I can second FetLife. That's your place my dude! Get in there and find yourself a dom. And don't discount the "straight" chicks around you. There are A LOT of "behind closed doors" femdoms. What female wouldn't jump at the chance to dominate her man once in a while, right?

[-] BitsAndBobs304 4 Points 5 months ago

TONS of femdoms. sure! they must be all hiding at the corner behind the convention for honest used car salesmen and the honest bankers and honest business investor offers, that's why I missed them.

[-] Dafuq_Gusthapened 2 Points 5 months ago

Ahh, a pessimistic Debbie Downer type. That kind of attitude is "pussy repellent". Chicks can smell it from a mile away.

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Dump the loser mentality, my dude. Or come to terms with paying for pussy.

[-] Stabegabe 1 Point 5 months ago

Dominant girls exist, they are just far and few in between, but you can still find them. Just the reality of things, and complaining about it on the internet will never change a thing so why bother?

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[-] Boovs4life 3 Points 5 months ago

Is this a book? I looked it up on Amazon and it says it's $1,750??? Where can I get it?

[-] redhawkes 5 Points 5 months ago

You can find it here

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links on megaupload not working , damn. for me anyway

[-] half-past-five 1 Point 5 months ago

Search for it on libgen or around on reddit. It's pretty easy to get it.

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[-] nebder 1 Point 5 months ago

brah do you even internet. cmon now

Always support the author where applicable! These are real people.

google <book title> download or <book title> <format> download

[-] thedaynos 1 Point 5 months ago

It's easier to choke safely if ur doing it from the back of the neck just fyi. Like you're palming a basketball.

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[-] teabagabeartrap 1 Point 5 months ago

I read it a while back. While maybe re-read. What was the biggest thing in it for you?

[-] MrCongeniality1 93 Points 5 months ago

The therapeutic tone of this post made me throw up in my mouth a little. But there is tremendous truth here. The impact on women of feeling accepted or judged is profound and influences most of their psychology, not just sexual openness.

Consider that a woman's evolutionary survival depended almost entirely on being accepted by the tribe. There are a number of behaviors that spring from this:

  1. Insecure (butthurt) behaviors from men make women not just turned-off but fearful and anxious, they are afraid that an insecure guy will smear them (thus threatening their survival in evolutionary programming)
  2. This is one big reason why women are constantly talking to each other and telling each other everything - they are proactively defending themselves to the group from rumors but also gathering intel on what the group will relate to as acceptable conduct.
  3. This is why women are not moral creatures - they are programmed to be reliant on the group for their survival, all that matters is compliance with group-accepted norms and whatever they can get away with in the group.
  4. You should never seriously criticize a woman, you will get nothing but a knife in the back. If you need to drop her, make it a "no hard feelings, it wasn't the right time or match for either of us" kind of thing.
  5. You should never talk openly about your experience with a woman because you will get a reputation for not being a safe space for her inner slut.
  6. If you develop a genuine vibe of "everything is cool, no hard feelings about anything" you will be surprised to discover how many women seem to enjoy eating ass.

Check out Tucker Max's book, "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell", it's a hilarious read of random sexual exploits and it will drive home how a totally average dude can pull a lot of women by just being a carefree douche.

[-] Heathcliff-- 86 Points 5 months ago

6) If you develop a genuine vibe of "everything is cool, no hard feelings about anything" you will be surprised to discover how many women seem to enjoy eating ass.

And how many innocent christian girls want you to pee on them.

Girls are sexual to the core. They are sex. That's what they're for. That's what they're made of. Think of the nastiest shit you've fapped to and she's come up with worse when she was like 14. She dreams of being ganbanged by strangers. There are thousands of videos online right now of cute girls who wouldn't give you a second glance on the street sucking dog dick.

Nothing gets a girl going more than to have a guy she can entirely give herself to and be his complete and utter sex slave. They all kind of want this but never find a guy good enough, or the guy they've chosen is always too apprehensive and doesn't push the boundaries (even though she wants him to). Be adventurous with your girl and you'll be shocked at how quickly she'll give you everything.

Had a girl who enjoyed sucking the night-old dried vag residue of another girl off my dick. Another liked to make out with my hairy, clumpy asshole, even if I hadn't been particuarly ...accurate... with wiping earlier in the day.

They don't care. They love it. They love feeling wrong and dirty. They're the direct descendents of actual sex slaves after all.

[-] MrCongeniality1 32 Points 5 months ago

They're the direct descendents of actual sex slaves after all.

Holy shit that is a powerful perspective right there.

[-] PikachJew 26 Points 5 months ago

Wow man I have been red pilled or a year now but never thought about all this. And you should definitely write a lengthy post about this .

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 8 Points 5 months ago

Practice Tip for the General Readership: Any girl who likes to lick a cock clean of pussy juice is a girl who would like to taste it directly from the source. Implement Threesome Protocol forthwith.

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[-] VasiliyZaitzev 7 Points 5 months ago

You’ll be surprised to discover how many women seem to enjoy eating ass

Once upon a time, on TRP...

TRPAndNofapGotMeLaid: "You mean get her to eat my ass? No thank you"

Uncle Vasya: "You say that now. Have her do it. Then come back and tell us how awful it felt, and how you feel cheap and dirty and used. /lulz . . . let us know how it goes. I predict: 'OMFGTHATWASSOFUCKINGAMAZING!!!'"

You after:

TRPAndNofapGotMeLaid: "Maan..... that was awesome on so mnay levels. Jesus christ I will post an update tomorrow morning"

You, Today:

TRPAndNofapGotMeLaid: "Then I told her to lick my ass and she also complied. And let me tell you, it was the greatest thing I have ever done sexually. (Thank you/VasiliyZaitzev!!!!). I was a bit hesitant at first but it opened my horizons, cumming normally is so one dimensional compared to this. She jerked me off and the ass licking leveraged and amplified my orgasm by 10x, I almost passed out from it and I am 100% serious about that. I really recommend it!

Somewhere in Sweden, a TRPer boy just became a TRPer Man.

Me, to self: "And THAT is why YOU are a fucking LEGEND." /lulz

[-] Starfuckingman 1 Point 4 months ago

Call me stupid here but... I don't understand. Letting a woman lick your ass? that's a good thing? Excuse me I come from an eastern culture.

[-] markinsinz7 3 Points 5 months ago

Still surprised that dude got married after everything he's done...

[-] whatsthisgarg 2 Points 5 months ago

Check out Tucker Max's book, "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell", it's a hilarious read of random sexual exploits and it will drive home how a totally average dude can pull a lot of women by just being a carefree douche.

haha I had a few guys ask me about that when I posted these:

They like it rough and What Women Will Do

All true stories. Have fun.

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[-] Blackhawk2479 84 Points 5 months ago

How can you tell if you’re dating a slut?

You are.

[-] X-Trem0 7 Points 5 months ago

If she is not a slut with you she is a slut with somebody else

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[-] KeffirLime 59 Points 5 months ago

Judgment and sexual fantasies are not entirely mutually exclusive. There's a little void that needs to be dealt with alongside no judgment.

You have to be the sort of man she wants to submit to. You have to be powerful. She has to want to be your slave. She'll only do that if you're a man worthy of submitting to. A leader, confident, who makes her feel safe, completely letting go of herself.

If you can do that without judgment, then she's your slut. As a one night stand, plate, or LTR.

Quiet bedrooms are more centered around lack of attraction because he's not the kind of man she's willing or wanting to submit to rather than simply lack of judgment.

[-] markinsinz7 13 Points 5 months ago

Here is the true knowledge that's not being said. One can accept women's behavior and sexuality all they want and proudly even preach that shitt but women ain't gonna fuck them if the other parts are not covered. It is mentioned in the post but this has been divided into 2 approaches but reality is its a combination

[-] MR3790 52 Points 5 months ago

Had a girl that was FWB turned out she had a boyfriend but would date him and fuck me because she didn't want him to think she was a slut. And I treated this girl exactly like and object and she loved it. Look at every girl like she will suck your dick behind a dumpster and you will have more and better sex.

[-] [deleted] 13 Points 5 months ago

I had a FWB who was this really serious feminist type, god she would go on and on about this intersectional feminist garbage. She went to a top tier liberal arts university. She was working in public policy in DC. Creme de la creme of feminists.

I used to call her a "greedy little cum slut", treated her like a filthy whore, and she loved every fucking second of it.

A buddy of mine was banging this chick who worked at the State Department doing some crazy serious shit. He used to fuck her while he wore his dog tags and desert boots, she would wear a burka and she wanted him to call her all kinds of shit about muslims (I don't think she was muslim). I had to leave when they fucked, she made too much noise.

These bitches are freaks bro, especially the ones guys think are not.

[-] suplarties 11 Points 5 months ago

MY ReliGioN is nOT yOUr kInK

[-] Poolooloo 36 Points 5 months ago

I think a lot of the slutty shit women do is just to satisfy their partners. If a girl is very attracted to you, odds are she’ll be down with whatever you ask her to do with a little pressure. Does that mean it’s really what she wants?

Women are more sexual than people believed in the 50’s but these days I think most people actually think women are far hornier than they really are. Mostly because a lot of the female roles in media are written by perverted gay men in Hollywood(Sex in the City being a prime example). The raw animalistic lust men experience is due to testosterone. Women have less testosterone so they don’t often experience that lust to that degree.

40% of men masturbate more than twice a week while less than 10% of women do. Only 32% of women orgasm during a one night stand. These “wild nights” are happening because the male is getting her to do wild things.

Most women are naturally submissive. They don’t often know what they want cause unlike men they don’t spend all day thinking about it in graphic visual detail(another symptom of testosterone). This is especially true for young women.

So why is she being more reserved for you? Because you didn’t ask her to fuck like a porn star unlike her past flings.

Women certainly tend to enjoy more aggressive sex from their partner, which makes sense when you consider, again, testosterone. They like being physically dominated. They also like feeling desired. A lot of the experience for women is their experience of your desire because for most men with intact endocrine systems you experience a far higher degree of desire than she does. They aim to please and if you express that pleasure it tells her she is doing it right and gives her the ability to let loose a little more.

She’s not sucking that dude off in the parking lot during her lunch break for her pleasure. She’s submitting to his intense sexual desire.

You guys project hard sometimes. You give women way too much agency and don’t realize that they are just impressionable and often go along with what they are told. Of course, if you don’t tick the right boxes they won’t go along with you. The “real her” is who her dominant, in control, partner wants her to be. There is nothing behind the mask.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 14 Points 5 months ago

You’d be surprised. I’ve had a girl (more than one actually) track me down because an ex told her abt shit I did to her. Another found me on her own because she wanted to be a slave girl. Not “tied up occasionally”, but collared and owned and completely subject to her Master’s will. Her needs were not being met because the guys she was dating didn’t know how to get it out of her, and she sure as shit wasn’t going to risk being vulnerable and bring it up on her own.

Another FWB would spend 90% of our “private” time naked and tied up - her bf prior to me got missionary sex in the dark. He didn’t know what he had.

In none of these cases are girls being kinky for me, but rather they are expressing their own kink with me because I have created space for them to do so without risk of exposure. We would discuss it an I would watch the frisson of dirty pleasure go through them at the thought of being found out. Ofc, at the end I would say something like ”But I’ll never tell” or ”lucky for you its Our Little Secret...for now,” just to watch the effect.

Women can be plenty kinky, but their not going to walk around carrying signs that read ”I have a rape fantasy!” - by a desired man, ofc - or ”I want to be a slave girl!” You have to bring it out of them

[-] HighTesticles 1 Point 4 months ago

but their not going to walk around carrying signs that read ”I have a rape fantasy!” - by a desired man, ofc - or ”I want to be a slave girl!”

Lol yes they will, it's just the signs look more like "All men are rapists" or "fight the patriarchy"

[-] adam_varg 1 Point 5 months ago

Wrong.

You are clueless about sexual submissivity.

[-] Poolooloo 4 Points 5 months ago

Lol ok pal. Everyone is a damaged drug addled fetishist just like you.

[-] adam_varg 1 Point 5 months ago

No you dummy. Just not ignorant like you are.

There is shit load of sexuology and psychology research. Measuring physical response included.. Proving you wrong.

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[-] scissor_me_timbers00 25 Points 5 months ago

Yeah there’s a lot of truth here but its all so symptomatic of society in decay. None of this is long term civilizationally adaptive. There’s a reason why civilizations on the rise keep hypergamy in chains. Because it is a force of nature which must be subdued. Slut shaming is pro civilization. Slut pride is anti civilization. Not that it matters now because we’re fucked anyways. But despite the truth in your post, it doesn’t shake my disgust for unchecked female behavior.

[-] jcrpta 4 Points 5 months ago

I'm actually wondering if news reports of teens having less sex is related to this.

It isn't unusual for teens to be hyper socially-aware compared to their parents. Combine that with a society that says that if she isn't basically on her knees demanding sex, it isn't consent....

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 5 Points 5 months ago

I don’t really think it’s related to that. I think it’s more just the increasing infantilization of youth. They are “social” media addicted, yet socially retarded. The generations get more and more tame and neutered. And porn plays a role in destroying young people’s pursuit of sex. Plus hypergamy has been put on turbo drive. Young women are brainwashed into thinking they’re better than all the boys except for a handful of chads. The rest are mostly indoor kids.

It’s fucked man. I thought my millennial generation was bad. And it was. And is. And gen z has had a modest shitlord reaction, but by and large this is not gonna be the generation to save us lololz. Their entire subculture has become LARPing the 90s. At this point in American 21st century culture, everything is just recycling and consuming our past. And it’s so commonplace now that it’s the new normal. The water we swim in.

So I only agree with you marginally in that the deterioration of young people’s understanding of natural gender dynamics and sexual foreplay, pushed by the “progressive” moral crusade against toxic masculinity plays a role, but is not everything.

[-] jcrpta 2 Points 5 months ago

See, this is where I disagree with you.

There was no shortage of young lads masturbating when I was a kid, but it's not the same.

If we follow the logic that women want - need - a man to take the lead before they'll jump into bed (though once led, they're happy to make the jump), then what's the logical conclusion to a society being told that under no circumstances should any man ever do anything that might ever be interpreted as pressuring a woman into sex?

I can think of one logical conclusion: an awful lot of frustrated young men who will happily talk to girls all day long but will not, under any circumstances, make a move. And an awful lot of girls who think they have a lot of male friends but nobody who seems interested in them sexually.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 2 Points 5 months ago

I mean guys are just increasingly neutered and timid

[-] JJ3314 3 Points 5 months ago

I agree, unfotunately. I was fortunate enough to marry a (among other positive qualities) virgin. She is enthusiastic, and yes is turned on by my being a bit rough. I’m fine with that, and don’t see why she should be ashamed of this, if it’s between us, and she is trustworthy and reliable generally.

While I don’t think it’s productive to hang a woman’s prior sexual experiences over her head if you have already decided to maintain an LTR with her, I think it is totally appropriate for men to go scorched earth when vetting women for LTRs, or otherwise put them in the thot bucket if all you want is short term sex. If you adopt the latter approach, it doesn’t really matter if she’s a hoe (and yes I agree with your comments on pro and antic civilizational behavior).

Being all fine with a woman’s past, however, is a foolish approach if the goal is to render a decision on whether or not to proceed with an LTR. When it comes to those considerations, thinking like a promiscuous male gets you into trouble, because you run the risk of letting a worthless woman into your life, since normally you’re basically just looking at if she’s sufficiently attractive, good to go, and not an absolute psycho. Under those circumstances I think it’s a mistake to be totally “fine baby, everything you do in your life is fine.” You have to have standards, because a terrible woman will hollow you out from the inside long term. After the fact it won’t matter that you were all cool with her sleeping with the football team in college. It’s anyway a mistake to think that enthusiastic sex is only to be found with higher partner count women.

[-] justtenofusinhere 13 Points 5 months ago

This is true, but it isn't the only reason women hide their sexuality and their past. Sometimes, it's because they had to cash out from the CC with whomever they could still snag. This person is literally the floor they intend to stand on. They aren't giving him anything more than they have to because he can only give her so little in return. He simply isn't worth the effort, he's lucky if she doesn't fuck her bf in front of him and then make him eat her cream pie.

So, how do you tell which it is: does she think you're so great that she feels unworthy in your presence, or she believes she's so much better than you that any attention she gives is more than you deserve?

It doesn't matter, the solution is to never give any women that type of standing in your life. You need to understand you, that's it. You only need to understand what you feels about her and why, while making sure those are based on objective truths. That's it.

[-] lifeisweirdasfuck 9 Points 5 months ago

I think everyone should read 60 years of challenge.

That's the best book I've ever read that lets you understand how women love a man who's sexual.

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[-] bemore_ 7 Points 5 months ago

Madonna/whore. The nice guy - madonna, the jerk - whore. To the nice guy she is pure, they don't want to muddy her. To the assholes out there she is already a slut. So women are on gaurd, pretending to be prude.. "I'm a lady" .. yah sure. Also women slut shame way more than men. But I agree with this post

[-] CanadianAsshole1 5 Points 5 months ago

So your message was basically "don't slut-shame"?

[-] mattyiceheretoentice 11 Points 5 months ago

Nice attempt to simplify the post and be a douchebag. I’m gonna say you missed the mark on that one chief

[-] RedHoodhandles 16 Points 5 months ago

No he didn't miss the mark. He just didn't hit it completely. Don't slut-shame. Don't judge. Appreciate sluts (because they all are) and you'll have better sex. Enlighten me if I missed something.

[-] grumpieroldman 9 Points 5 months ago

There's a Earth-destroying meteorite sized hole of what is missed.

1) Do you want to have real sex?
2) Do you want kids?
3) Do you want to know they are they are yours?

There's an entire alternative path that's not considered here because it's called monogamy and the number of women willing to partake in it is only about 5% of the population.

[-] RedHoodhandles 1 Point 5 months ago

And why are you telling me this and not OP?

[-] odin1111 1 Point 5 months ago

Because youre being a faggot about it. not op.

[-] mattyiceheretoentice 4 Points 5 months ago

Being the guy that they feel like they can let their true sexual selves out for is really what he was getting at. And it ties directly to playing the game with them, not against them. Truly enjoying the energy of women and flirting. It is a lot deeper than just not slut shaming or not being judgmental. Other than that, I just didn’t like the oversimplification because I’d say this post has a lot of good content.

[-] mori_forthestreamer 5 Points 5 months ago

It is a good post but it's also long and repetitive.

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[-] Dark_Lord_A 1 Point 5 months ago

Tbf, if you don't bother to read to the end it kinda seems like that. When I was about halfway through I was pretty sure that the post was going to get blasted.

[-] RPLawyer 6 Points 5 months ago

I think there is a difference between really unattractive women, both physically and personality-wise who participate in slut walks to get attention and pretend that they can get any man they want (while in reality they get no man or only beta chubby chasers less attractive than them) and normal, socially competent girls who love being slutty but don't brag about it.

The first kind of women, are irrelevant to the conversation because you probably don't want to fuck them unless you like fat feminazis with blue armpit hair and piercings all over their face. The other kind of women you don't want to slut shame because not doing it is a direct benefit to you.

"Don't slut shame" is a pretty autistic way to interpret this post, which I found very enlightening.

[-] mattyiceheretoentice 3 Points 5 months ago

This post is really about being able to interact with women in a way that brings out their sexuality. Yeah anyone can hook up with a girl and try to be some sex god when you’ve got her back and make her do dirty stuff. But in just interacting with women you can be that guy that just gives off the vibe that the girls want to be slutty for.

[-] AriesAsF 5 Points 5 months ago

Nailed it. A woman's greatest desire (to be a slut for an attractive man) is also her greatest fear (to be labelled a slut by an attractive man).

[-] Greek-God-Brody 4 Points 5 months ago

This is one of the best posts I've read on TRP this year.

[-] Brushyourteethm8 3 Points 5 months ago

30, married, uncomfortable read especially the last paragpraph - and that's exactly why I've saved and upvoted it.

I need to process this and revisit in a week or so

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 2 Points 5 months ago

Read up at the Rationale Male.

Saving the Best

Hats off to the Bull

[-] Brushyourteethm8 2 Points 5 months ago

Cheers mate, have skimmed those in the past and listened to The Rational Male in full but the fact that I found this an uncomfortable read is a definite sign that I still need to challenge myself and internalise these tennets further.

Thanks for links, will read when I can tonight.

[-] Imperator_Red 3 Points 5 months ago

A story as old as time, or at least as old as the 21st century: a woman spends her 20s partying and having some quantity of casual sex

Haha yea... this is definitely not a story as old as time. It's a story as old as birth control and forced paternity payments to a woman you are not married to.

[-] Irtotallynotrobot 2 Points 5 months ago

Really great post, thank you.

My only observation connects with something I've been thinking about recently. I think that a lot of the behaviors cultivated here are not only what women are looking for in one night stands, but are connected to healthy conduct in general.

Examples are Taking care of yourself and your appearance, learning to navigate social situations expertly, building your external assets, etc. All very healthy for your and anyone associated with you.

Some of the most misconceived ones are also crucial healthy behaviors. For instance, learning not to take a woman's actions seriously allows them to behave the way they want to knowing that you'll take control when you've judged something as a legitimate concern; isn't that a lot healthier than reevaluating someone on whether they are your "true love" in every moment? When the girl doesn't matter then they are free to be themselves and when they do they will create a false image; the latter is not fun for anyone.

In conclusion, yes our activities start with picking up girls and being the "fun" guy she wants to sleep with now is a great tactic because it removes her sense of reputation from the equation. We can go even further and argue that our strategies and tactics are healthy behavior once the misconceptions are exposed.

[-] CainPrice 3 Points 5 months ago

That's a good point.

If a woman matters too much to you, then she's not just responsible for her own behavior. She's responsible for your feelings, too. That's a lot of pressure. Women don't want to be responsible for their men's happiness. That means that they're required to do certain things and behave certain ways for another person's sake. They're not your mother.

When a woman matters less to you, she is more free to be herself. She knows you'll be okay regardless. She's not responsible for you.

By not burdening her with your expectations, you leave her free to be as true to herself as possible.

If you want to know how slutty she is, don't tell her that you expect her to be non-slutty. If you want to know whether she'll make a good girlfriend, don't tell her that you expect her to be a good girlfriend. Just be fun. Be non-judgmental. Let her be whoever she's comfortable being instead of burdening her with your own expectations of what you want her to be. Then see how she is.

If you don't want to be lied to, don't give them a roadmap for what you're expecting them to lie about and what you're expecting them to say.

[-] toolate4redpill 2 Points 5 months ago

Very good post and I agree with you...........up to a point, however as women get into their late 30's and 40's and up until the time they hit menopause, all the "nice girl" stuff goes out the window. A divorced women who is 40 and done with her child rearing - that's when you see her true nature and if its hidden, its hidden very lightly. I dated women who were "nice girls" , who were married for 20+ years. Everyone though she was an angel. Then she finds out when I'm single I'm a hardcore swinger and BOOM next weekend she's in a gang bang and having the time of her life.

If you honestly want to be a true red pill, wait until you hit your 40's. The tables are turned.

[-] CainPrice 5 Points 5 months ago

Oh heck yes. Women in their 30s are freaking easy. Especially divorced women.

It's her week without the children, she's up to her neck with shit to do for work, and she has a mortgage to pay. She doesn't have time to shit around pretending she doesn't want to have fun and let dufus guys figure it out by gently pushing the envelope with her. If you're hot and not too stupid, she'll grab your dick for you and show you.

[-] pinternational 2 Points 5 months ago

sooo once a slut, always a slut? you wrote so much text...

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[-] CainPrice 7 Points 5 months ago

The overwhelming majority of women are not marriage or girlfriend material. The majority of women have casual sex, or at best, a string of short term relationships interspersed within a few slightly more successful longer ones.

It's stupid to get angry at a woman for not being good wife material when 99.9999999 percent of women aren't. They're still humans, they're still fun to fuck, some of them are cool to talk to and hang out with. It's okay to like a slut as a person, enjoy her company, and enjoy the sex. Don't marry her, of course, but appreciating a slutty woman as a human being isn't some kind of terrible sin.

The kinds of guys who have difficulty "treating a slut with respect" are usually the kinds of guys slutty women won't fuck anyway. It's not good look.

[-] studentsensei 1 Point 5 months ago

It's funny how much a girl's "slutty" past doesn't bother you once you've been in on the fun.

When I was in my first LTR I wanted to "spread my wings" so to speak and hook up with other women.

I had far too much lust inside of me to commit to her even though she took my virginity and had a modest N-Count (8 total in a 5 year span).

All I could think about is how much "fun" she's had and how I was missing out by committing to her. Hell, she even offered to "wait" for me after I've got it all out of my system. She then said that I wasn't the "monogamous" type after I broke up with her.

I've increased my N-count considerably since then in such a short span. It's funny how now sex isn't a big deal to me anymore and I sometimes wish that I had experienced all of this before I got into that relationship.

If I had then I would still be with her today.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 3 Points 5 months ago

sex isn’t a big deal to me anymore

”Sex is like oxygen, it’s only important if you aren’t getting any, and then it’s really fucking important.“

-From, The Sayings of Chairman Zaitzev

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 1 Point 5 months ago

There’s a threshold a man who knows the game can eventually cross, where he passes from being knowledgeable at the game, even skilled at it, to accepting the game. He reaches a point where he’s no longer playing the game against women, or for women, or to get women, but is instead playing the game with women, together.

Welcome to the Promised Land, Huckleberry.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 5 months ago

I've had lots of women tell me I give off a freaky vibe. This must be totally subconscious because I never bring up sex. I am a freak though. This gets me lots of ass. Girls love being able to let go and be wild a know there will be no repercussions.

[-] SKRedPill 1 Point 5 months ago

Women's insecurities are always self fulfilling prophecy. How many women betafy their husbands due to dread, only for the relationship to fall apart in another way? You know that saying in Kung Fu Panda right, "One often meets his destiny on the very road he takes to avoid it".

And sex is a raw, pure instinct. The beta provider has no idea that his imprint on her mind isn't going to compare with the no holds barred stuff of her party years.

There are two aspects to this - the path of pleasure and the path of devotion. BP guys get both mixed up - they were told if they did the socially correct stuff, things will be fine. Sex in it's unfettered glory firmly belongs to the first path. The first path needs feels, the second needs strength. The trick here is that for men, the separation between these 2 is much less than in women. Men hardly have an issue being sexual towards both lovers and wives. For women, these 2 are much more compartmentalized. This is why it is so much easier to blue pill men into mixing up these 2.

I mean yesterday my mum comes home and talks some usual BP stuff to me with some religious stuff thrown in and that sex need not be so important. Actually she just started randomly examining some memories of her college days and even now, she can't quite digest the fact that boys are almost never just friends with girls while girls can just feel nothing towards most boys - she was talking about the time she was surprised when a guy she thought was just a friend expressed interest in her (he got rejected obviously). She couldn't get it how he could think of her that way. I told her that's how it is, and she went on a rant about celibate monks and how in some cultures men were perfectly celibate till marriage (and I suppose after that they somehow pressed a button and became sex gods overnight with zero knowledge or experience or exposure).

Well, now I do know for a fact that my parents haven't probably touched each other in 2 decades (no one told me, but it's plain obvious). They're still together and devoted (which is another way of saying that it's only strength and a certain amount of pair bonding that's allowing them to tolerate each other on the bad days), but hey there's the difference between blue and red.

After she leaves, I feel an urge to puke that BP out of my head - that was the same BS that screwed me over a lot as well. The conservative old school society I live in tries to make it look like everyone's squeaky clean of sex and there was a time when I hit puberty and I thought I was the only one with an abnormal mind.

Men have a problem with women and multiple partners because women don't get better sexually with experience. They instead go the AF/BB route and can't bring their best towards their long term partners. Men to a great extent, are far less likely to do this (unless they've been conditioned by oneitis BP ideas). They get better and better with experience.

It's actually very difficult for a woman to get over the emotional impact of her past even if she put past lovers behind. Once used to riding many partners, that's the habit pattern that gets embedded in the brain. Sooner or later, after she settles down, she'll start the betaization process and go through a late stage hypergamy phase. It is not that easy to rewire the brain, or rewire stuff that happened during one's formative years.

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[-] murt98 1 Point 5 months ago

If you find out she was a ripe whore in the past, you simply leave.

[-] CainPrice 6 Points 5 months ago

I propose a counter strategy:

Enjoy having sex with her, enjoy her company, but just don't marry her.

My way, you get to enjoy sex and company. Your way, you get to bitch on the internet about how women are slutty.

[-] murt98 0 Points 5 months ago

Sounds like plain hedonism to me. Don’t waste your time, don’t waste her time. If you don’t see yourself marrying her, don’t waste your time.

[-] omega_dawg93 1 Point 5 months ago

i've got several female friends, and many of them have opened up about their sexual pasts, likes, cravings, etc.

here's how to get her to open up:

  1. overtly tell her that you're not judgmental.
  2. tell her and show her you're very discreet.
  3. tell her that in your company, she's always safe... physically & emotionally.

then, disclose a few things about yourself and watch her tell you some very good sex stories.

don't judge. pull out your unit and enjoy her.

[-] Iceklimber 1 Point 5 months ago

She pretends to be a good girl

Women are afraid to be vulnerable for their serious partners

stranger versus husband

OP you have great elements intermixed with some misconceptions:

There is one variable that matters and it is the desirability of her partner.

As you correctly observed, she is a slut to strangers

However she will also be a slut to long term relationships

Conversely, she will only conduct the bare minimum of kink with betas in both cases because they do not make her giney tingle.

[-] CainPrice 2 Points 5 months ago

Any time there's any Red Pill theory out there, don't forget to be attractive to women. Really, the tagline for this post is:

"Be attractive to women and show a slutty girl true acceptance, and she'll be slutty for you, too."

The be attractive to women part is just assumed.

If you're not attractive to a woman, it doesn't matter if you're judgmental of her sluttiness or accepting of it. You don't exist to her.

[-] Iceklimber 2 Points 5 months ago

Understandable have a nice lunch break blowjob

[-] 2CansofChili 1 Point 5 months ago

Wow. What a treat. You're doing it. Bagging sluts. Big game huntin'.

[-] UBC_Obrimotic 1 Point 5 months ago

Bagging sluts women.

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Remember every woman is a slut if you press the right buttons

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[-] throwabcdaway3 1 Point 5 months ago

Well If half of the sub were not calling sluts the girls who have experience they would have 0 problems having their girls showing their sexual side.. yes indeed ^^ thanks for pointing it out !

You cant have both a virgin and a horny girl, especially when youve been a beta for 10 years lol

[-] takenalreadyisun 1 Point 5 months ago

And DO NOT, and I mean, DO NOT think that an inexperienced virgin girl is pure just because some guy hasn't fucked her. I once had an infatuation towards a girl back in 6th grade. She was fairly skinny with glasses.

At one point, we went on a school field trip to see Indiana Jones at Westgate Center. We went to eat at Johnny Rockets sometime after the movies. She and I just happened to sit across each other along with her two other friends. As I looked at them joking and playing, I suddenly saw her bouncing up and down. Repeatedly. On the chair in a restaurant.

I had no clue what the hell she was doing at that time. But I did have a very weird feeling it was not something school appropriate. I also noticed how her friends didn't say anything, as if they knew something. I thought she was just doing some random shit.

After learning about sex in high school, I looked back and was surprised realizing that she was pretending to cowgirl ride a chair. And she was in middle school back in 2006-7.

My point? Girls can be and are extremely sexual if you hit the right buttons. Do not put inexperienced virgins on a pedestal just because they did not experience the CC.

[-] CainPrice 1 Point 5 months ago

I think there's probably some kind of promiscuity gene out there. A perfectly innocent girl raised in a perfectly normal, innocent environment will go off to college and ask a guy friend in the dorms if she can practice blowjobs on him so she'll know what she's doing when she meets guys in bars after football games. While a random hot trailer trash woman in community college that you'd expect to be slutty as hell turns down most guys for a night with a cup of tea, a Jeopardy rerun, and maybe her vibrator if she's a little horny.

Some girls just gravitate toward sex, independent of their family or environment, like they were born to be slutty.

[-] Razkolol 1 Point 5 months ago

Comes down to sexual strategy, she wants a dude that can provide for her and her offsprings, it’s in her biology since caveman days, if she considers that you’re financially stable and have enough resources/assets it’s in her best interest to act like a good girl who never sucked dick, that’s a common problem for high smv guys with very good prospects, they have trouble getting girls comfortable around them, it’s very good to downplay your income/ successful career and act like a poor fuck, easier to get laid. Only things you should be showing off are a 6pack and huge guns, let them figure out the rest.

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[-] CainPrice 1 Point 5 months ago

Definitely.

Even if a guy is not quite there yet when it comes to accepting slutty women as worthwhile human beings (which isn't very healthy and he should work on that), at least pretend. That will get you pretty far.