The "Bomb"
A plate, we'll call her... Tori, and I were in my bed after a rousing bout of sexual activity. She's cuddled up to me naked, I'm enjoying myself (I enjoy cuddle time after sex, it's a vice), and everything seems great. We're talking a bit, and at this moment, she sits up and says she has something to tell me. I'm thinking, Do we have to do this now? Really? Ugggh... So I wait for her to prepare herself, and she starts telling me about how great of a lay I am, and that she really appreciates the fact that I don't take all my frustration out on her vagina.
Wait what?
She continues on, and she starts telling me about this guy she's been fucking, how she's not all that physically attracted to him, and how much she hates having sex with him because he just pounds the shit out of her like her vagina murdered his children. I laugh my ass off at this description, and she retorts "it's not funny!" even though it really is quite hilarious. Sensing that I don't give a shit about what she does, she asks the next question:
How many girls are you seeing?
Oh boy, this was going to get good.
What Happened Next
So in the span of a few minutes, I get the typical I'm fucking another guy shit test, and the monogamy question. All in one go. I opt for partial truth, and tell her that I am seeing two other women in addition to her. She gets cold and distant, and I'm thinking to myself, Well, there goes this one. Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut. Oh well, juggling this many was getting to be a pain in the ass anyway. I offer her some comfort, kiss her cheek, and we start getting dressed. We chat a little bit more, I tell her I don't care that she's fucking someone else, and as she leaves, I can't help but feel like I made a mistake.
That afternoon, Tori texts me that she didn't expect me to be seeing other women (not the blue-pill you expected hmm?), and that this revelation "crushed" her, and that she couldn't believe that she was the asshole in that whole exchange (funny that she thought coming clean to me was an asshole move...).
I do fuck up, as she's sharing her state of mind, and says that she fucked up our relationship. I tell her that she didn't fuck anything up, and that nothing has changed between us unless she wants that. She snags onto it, and says that that's what she wants, and I soft-next.
Part Two
One day later, Tori asks if we can talk. "Sure." is my only response. She asks if we can meet face-to-face to talk, and I tell her that I'm busy and won't have time for several days. She expresses a lot of anger about the situation, and I suggest we stop talking for a few days and that she can meet me for that face-to-face in about four or five days. She keeps trying to bait me in, and I tell her this is something we can talk about in a few days.
As time goes by, she settles down and is asking for when we can meet, and I give her a time, day, and location. A couple of days go by, and we have this conversation:
- Tori: "I'm feeling like there's no point in meeting tomorrow."
- Me: "Why is that?"
- Tori: "The more I think about it, the angrier I get, and you just don't get it. If you want to get punched in the arm tomorrow, we can meet."
- Me: "What, that it's about what you want in a relationship?"
- Tori: "I don't think you can give me what I want."
- Me: "We'll find out soon enough."
- Tori: "Do not fuck with me, just stop!"
At this point, I decide it's just not worth pursuing anymore, and I tell her that I think we should just go our separate ways, and that I hope she finds what she is looking for. I had one of my FWBs over that night when this conversation took place, and I just want to enjoy the rest of my evening. Tori calls me. I don't answer, and she texts me asking if she can come by. I tell her "No." She asks why, and I tell her "Because it's over, and that's how it is."
Now, she sends me some angry texts about wanting threesomes and is generally accusatory. My FWB leaves eventually, and 15 minutes later, I get a knock at my door. I take a quick look around, thinking my FWB forgot something, and then open the door expecting to see my FWB. Oh no, it's Tori, in the flesh.
She Wants Closure (and Drama)
I step outside and close the door, not even bothering to put on a jacket despite how cold it is, and head over to my driveway where the floodlights are. I start recording the conversation on my phone, and I ask her what she is doing here. She just wants to talk, and I tell her that we were going to talk tomorrow. But after threats of violence and showing up unannounced at my home after I explicitly told her no, it's simply not going to happen. She goes on about how she's not crazy (right), she knows she sounds hypocritical, etc. I tell her that she's emotional and doing what she thinks is best, and that you can't blame anyone for doing what the feel is best. She says bye shortly after that, and she leaves, and I go back inside.
A minute later, knock, knock. Fuck, what the actual fuck. I open the door, and Tori is there, crying, and she say's she's sorry for just walking away, and sorry for showing up when she shouldn't have. I tell her to go home, and to think about this behavior, and that I'll call her in the morning and if I like what I hear, we'll have coffee like we planned.
The Meeting
I called her, and liked what I had to hear, so I decided to hear her out and give her the benefit of the doubt. The conversation went smoothly, she expressed concerns about my sexual activity, and I pointed out that she's fucking guys on the side. She owns up to being hypocritical by expecting me to put her on a pedestal. The conversation starts to become more casual, and I ask her if she felt bad about seeing and fucking two different guys and don't want the societal answer. She hesitates, and she says no, that she didn't feel bad about it. I ask her then why it's a problem if I am seeing other women, and she admits that it isn't.
I decide that she's learned a valuable lesson (rare), and decide that she can be re-plated and suggest we go back to my place. She readily agrees, and she's back to fucking me they way she should have during this whole bit.
Takeaway
Flipping the script of "It's just my turn" was risky and dangerous. If I slipped once, it could have easily become unmanageable- and I don't recommend trying to salvage a plate as it is almost always more trouble than it is worth. Having a plate that will enjoy me for as long as it's her turn though, that may be a very interesting thing indeed.
Stay firm, hold frame, and always be aware of the risks you take when you engage with someone. Walk away if the situation is not to your liking. Pick your battlefields and stay on top of the chaos. You choose your destiny and those who get to stay at your side.
Wolveryn 5y ago
The whole “risky and dangerous” notion rings silly to me.
Why’s it risky?
Why’s it dangerous?
Because you miss out on pussy from her? How hot is this bitch? The way she’s acting with some entitlement but not enough self confidence to hold her own frame... 7/10? I’m guessing you’re also 7/8 to most women
What do you give a shit if she takes it the wrong way and you get no more pussy from her? You’re solid enough I suspect that you can get pussy with tinder open for 30 minutes on the couch.
It’s only risky if you’re really thirsty and you’re punching above your hot scale...
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Great field report OP, but I'm thinking in the back of my head that something you're doing is causing this trouble for yourself.
I don't know your situation, but I'm guessing from what you've written that you've had sex with this girl more than 3-4 times, without any indication to her that you're seeing other girls yet without any of "the talk". You've been too available, and let her believe that monogamy (from you) is a serious option that she can negotiate for.
So in her mind: she thinks she can make you jealous by talking about other guys at which point monogamy seems like a good deal to you and you'll jump at it because you don't have better options. Having hatched this plan and had it go terribly wrong all her emotions are in a tailspin and she brings out all the childish irrationality that subsequently happened.
Better in future to be more clear about where she stands so that this kind of thing doesn't start. Obviously you have to be subtle about it and not tell her the second you meet "I'm fucking other women and you have to be ok with that".
red_philosopher 5y ago
Thanks Matty, that makes a lot of sense actually.
HurricaneHugues 5y ago
"She continues on, and she starts telling me about this guy she's been fucking, how she's not all that physically attracted to him, and how much she hates having sex with him because he just pounds the shit out of her like her vagina murdered his children."
That's a wake up call for you. She is fucking someone she doesn't find attractive, but he smashes the fuck out of her pussy. She likes it so much it keeps her coming back.
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red_philosopher 5y ago
I'd generally agree, but just no.
HurricaneHugues 5y ago
"I'd generally agree, but since it applies to special me and makes me look low-key stupid, I'll have to disagree" You, right now
red_philosopher 5y ago
Without you knowing the totality of the circumstances, your advice, while generally well spoken, is not applicable in all circumstances, nor was it applicable to my own. It has little to do with me being "low-key stupid" as you so eloquently put it. I suggest you put on your man pants instead of thinking you know better than I do for my specific case and levelling insults to people you don't know over the internet. Your mind and body will thank you.
RossDDMarshalls 5y ago
Coming from an outside party, I have to side with the other guy. Perhaps you have a special case, but all you're saying now is that your case is special because it's yours and that we should just trust you on it. Unless you can divulge more information, your options in this instance are to either take the L and accept the assessment or to look like a defensive little bitch.
red_philosopher 5y ago
Right. Sure. I'll accept the assessment of an internet troll. She told him to stop, simple as that. She obviously doesn't like being treated like a piece of meat, but puts up with it because she wants to get pounded 5x+ a week. I don't fuck her 5x a week as she would (apparently) like, and in a week she's already fucked 2x other guys. She's not special, she's a cheap whore who thought she could land something good while being a mega-slut.
So yeah, I'm well aware of her proclivities and nature, and I could give a fuck less. First thing she did when I got back was hit me up for my dick. Too bad she's probably never going to get it xD
Psychoptic 5y ago
Wait are you telling me there's other strategies besides ramming them as hard as possible?
whatdidshewrite 5y ago
How do you cuddle without developing feelings? I can do sex but I don’t think I could cuddle with a girl I didn’t care about
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red_philosopher 5y ago
I wrote a post called the misunderstanding of unconditional love, I tried to link it but you know how it is. Read it.
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Blackhawk2479 5y ago
Gotta love bitches, openly fucking other dudes but lose their shit if they find out you’re not exclusive either.
red_philosopher 5y ago
Hahaha this. It was nice not being surprised and expecting it to happen. Probably the best change mentally.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
What kind of whore tells you she’s fucking someone else in bed? Literally never had this happen to me once.
warlordchad 5y ago
Yeah this has happened to me too. It’s like their guard is down—they were just the fuck doll they want to be and now they see no issue talking openly about it.
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red_philosopher 5y ago
Happens all the time. Happens to also be a great source of proof of TRP principles.
Dark_Lord_A 5y ago
"What kind of whore"
The best kind.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
When that hamster starts to run and she tells you she used to trade sex for money.
The best kind.
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
Most girls tell me about their sex life while I'm fucking them.
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Lucifers_sausage 5y ago
Very nicely how you held your frame through many interactions. Very admirable how you kept cool even after she shows up to your house unannounced. I’d be careful now though if I were you because as of right now you have the “upper hand” on her and she will likely do anything to turn the tables on you.
red_philosopher 5y ago
I wouldn't say I was paranoid about things, but I am acutely attentive to threats to my stability and security. She's at a good arms length away (metaphorically), and all of my interactions with her are recorded. It helps to know you're recording yourself, it encourages control and calm rational response. If she steps out of line, it's the rubbish bin, no regrets.
Frankly, I was most concerned about her showing up unannounced. That's signals that she's in panic mode and not capable of any sort of rational thinking whatsoever, and that she is afraid of losing something. Why else would she show? Closure? Probably, but in that case she's looking for a reason to write me.off and justify her shit, sooooo gotta be cool and draw a close.to that as soon as possible.
red_philosopher 5y ago
OH, btw, Lucifers_sausage is fucking great.
Lucifers_sausage 5y ago
Haha I had to keep a light heart in such a serious sub
Ansec 5y ago
Oh man, never answer the are you seeing anyone question. Don't even entertain her taking about other guys she's fucking. You stop her right as she says "so this other guy" You say you don't want to hear about it and what she does with other men is between them and her.
When she asks if you're seeing other women you say "are you saying you want to be exclusive?" If she answers yes then you're open to make demands. If she says no then you change the subject.
Never answer her shit test directly. Don't even allow them to come up and stop her before she tries.
It sounds like this Tori girl got the feels and is now jealous there are other women. Keep her guessing. Never tell her directly you ruin the magic.
red_philosopher 5y ago
As much as I can appreciate that tactic, (it definitely keeps drama to a minimum and let's you focus effort elsewhere) I feel that it is a tool to utilize as necessary. OTOH, I don't personally care if they get jealous, more reason for me to kick them to the curb if they start getting that way.
As far as hearing about other men, personally, I use that information to make judgements about their integrity. If it comes up, I take note that she's cool with fucking other guys behind my back and to never entertain the notion of LTR with her. FWBs till death do us part? Sure. But exclusivity? Never. Shutting her down just means she won't tell you things crucial to judging her as a partner. And when the time comes, she had better have been open and blunt with me, or it's lights out when the question comes up.
Ansec 5y ago
AWALT she's fucking other dudes. That's a given. You don't need her to tell you that.
LTR is never in my mind. She'd have to be a unicorn for me to consider that. Which we all know they don't exist.
alt_account_6 5y ago
Absence of evidence doesn't imply evidence of absence.
red_philosopher 5y ago
I agree, everytime it happens AWALT is there. I expect it. Besides, unicorns have to exist, where else does froyo come from? LOL
FU-ThatsY 5y ago
Any girl that likes drama will always bring drama later on. Better to leave them alone. Think about if you didn't take her back. She would flip her shit and try to get at you.
red_philosopher 5y ago
As a general rule, perhaps. In my experience, managing them (we're talking about people management) is a fantastic barrier to preventing social violence. That means acting like a manager: having the company's (your) goals in mind when making decisions, coaching when it is warranted, and holding them accountable for their behavior.
And, like a manager, there are some zero-tolerance, immediate termination consequence behaviors that warrant it. You pick the tool for the job. The trick is knowing which is which.
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MrCongeniality1 5y ago
Nice field report.
Any thoughts on why she was surprised that you were seeing other women? Anything you could have done to project that impression so it didn't require an outright discussion?
red_philosopher 5y ago
Those are good questions, actually. I chalked it up to the female sexual imperative, the desire to have exclusive sexual access to a high-value male (and by extension, his resources) and that the fact that she didn't was upsetting. Either that, or she felt instinctively like I was a pushover beta-male provider and the whole thing was a massive shit-test (more likely imho), designed to test my suitability.
The other man in question is only interested in her and her vagina, so that's naturally a more "alpha" position, which warrants the shit-testing so she can find out where I fit in the sexual market.
As far as projecting that impression, it would seem the usual efforts of being busy all the time and never scheduling her more than once a week didn't do the trick. Might be something about my demeanor, it's been mentioned that I "exude monogamy".
Kpwn88 5y ago
Your analysis is spot on. She claims she's not attracted to the guy, yet she keeps going back to have her pussy destroyed, and subtly implying that she appreciates the fact that you are taking care of her needs. She was hoping you'd take the bait and double down on your attentiveness.
If I was you, I'd beat that pussy so hard she'd have to limp back to Chad.
red_philosopher 5y ago
Hahahaha what's funny is "Chad" is a monogamous guy who dumped her after he thought she was cheating on him. The entire time, she's been cancelling "dates" with "Chad" in order to see me when I was available. She's been denying to "Chad" that she's been cancelling events to see another guy (me). I wonder which of us is the actual "Chad" LoL.
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
The exuding monogamy thing may be rooted in your body language. Make sure to maintain good posture and remain calm as much as possible. Keep your shoulders back and stand up straight. Be slow to react to situations. Slow down your movements and your speech. Be the rock that everyone wants to hold on to.
red_philosopher 5y ago
As an update, I did get additional perspective on this, and it's largely because of how I carried myself while fucking someone in that ring of friends. Apparently because I didn't flirt with every pussy in the ring (I do try to keep my plates functionally separated to avoid drama), I was construed as a serial monogamist.
red_philosopher 5y ago
I am calm as fuck xD it's probably a bit of body language, even though I dress well. It prob has more to do with the group of friends that I'm with on that day. They are pretty kinky and open, and I tend to be more reserved and observant. Since I'm different, they may correlate my demeanor with monogamy.
innominating 5y ago
You like to cuddle, and give a lot of comfort.
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innominating 5y ago
Maybe. I guess I’m just weird because I don’t like cuddling.
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Notenthy 5y ago
Hehehehe, if a person is not red pilled aware and this happends to you. Shitttt. This was one of the best readsings for a while! Thanks for sharing the story!!