We men here on TRP spend too much thinking of women. We plan and scheme on ways to bag them. I'll tell you something now, we've been doing this all wrong. TRP is a toolbox in your arsenal that you can use when shit hits the fan. I am most definitely guilty myself. I've read more than I need too, read posts that were simply pointless, the more I read the more angry I got. I want to share with you a secret, a solution if you will. Stop chasing women, instead stick to chasing money.
Nas once said: “You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money.”
Formula
Broke-> hustle -> money = women come flocking Single-> spend time finding girl -> find a girl -> spend money on her to keep her around so she can drain your money some more = time wasted.
Do you see what's wrong?
Obtain the cash, then the power then women will come to you.
The pursuit of pussy is full of many downfalls (the main one being loss of funds). What Nas was so wisely saying was that in your pursuit of money, the women will become a bi-product of that hustle.
It’s about having your focus on the right thing, your success, which will ultimately culminate in money and women. Let's face it, most women are not into you for your personality. We on TRP just focus too much on counter measures in case this or that happens. We over think everything. If the bitch is out of line, open your toolbox, look into it and choose the appropriate method on how to solve the issue.
Chasing women, in all honesty, is never the answer to anything. Logic is man’s best friend. It will help you avoid doing a bunch of dumb shit. All that you have is thought and action. Nothing more. Life being as short and sweet as it is, it is your job as a person, to minimize the time and energy you waste. Doing so will allow you to free up time to focus on things that are most important to you which of course is building your legacy and making money.
Chasing women not only will leave you holding your dick in your hand, it will also leave you looking like a fool. Keep in mind that the dating game is one big mind-fuck. I’m not referring to the lies that some men tell women just to get into their pants; I’m talking about the fact that every time that you meet a women you are basically putting on an act, a show not only in front of her but in front of everyone else you know as well.
No man (or woman) is ever completely himself when he/she first meets someone to whom he/she is attracted. Whether it’s human nature or the effects that society has had on our thinking is irrelevant, the truth remains that no person allows himself to be completely transparent to anyone new. It’s a defense mechanism that we all use because we are scared of rejection.
Women may not understand the workings of their own minds, but I’m cocky enough to say that I do. As soon as you start chasing a woman, she will lose interest in you — instantly as well as the money you want to make. Being chased is boring.
So stop chasing. Let them come to you instead. No woman — I repeat — no woman can find a successful, wealthy man unattractive. Being successful is universally attractive. Being wealthy is universally attractive. Focus on yourself, work diligently, hustle like the player you are, make that dough and I promise you that you’ll see results.
Life comes down to prioritizing. The people that become successful are the ones that know how to weed out any distraction that they have in their lives. Women are a distraction to men, sex is distraction to men and they have the power to derail our progress.
Kigas 9y ago
My boy curren$y said it best-- "you won't lose bitches chasing money, but you'll lose money chasin bitches".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OIF_XrarCI
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This is a great post. I think it is perfectly worded and to the point. Problem is that a lot of people are not going to hear it or take it to heart. I can already see stupid shit comments like "chasing money is another addiction" - no it is not. Addictions reduce you, money makes you free. People are going to hampster all the ways that money is not important because deep down they do not think they can make a lot of money.
There are so many great things about money. More free time, better cars, better holidays, better restaurants, and the ability to fulfil your own dreams.
There are comments here suggesting that this post is about becoming a beta bux. What nonsense, if anyone thinks that the ability to attract women easily is better or different to having loads of money they are wrong. They just have never had lots of money and they probably never will. Getting rich is so much harder than getting laid and those of us who have had lots of girls and lots of money know that money is way better.
So OP, thank you for your perfect post. Stuff like this should be on the sidebar. Ignore the wage slaves who suggest that money is not important, they will never know the freedom and power of having lots of money.
MAX_Fury 9y ago
Anytime man, usually the people who complain about money are the ones who don't have it. "Money doesn't bring happiness" That is a straight out lie, anyone with more money in their bank account feels relieved, they feel more secure, those without it are stressed out, those without it make excuses on how they don't need money to keep them happy. It brings me the greatest relief to know I have "fuck you money" to spend wherever I wish. I can travel more, spend more time with family, get the best healthcare coverage, best dental, I mean you can do a lot with money. I'm glad you enjoyed the post man, Thanks for commenting.
ulyssesss 9y ago
I agree and I'm pretty surprised at some of the comments on here as well. Maybe people are thinking about it the wrong way.
To me it's really, really simple: Money = freedom.
madnessinspades 9y ago
You have to remember what kind of demographic of people you'll find here. Most are still in their anger phase and as such are trying to use red pill ideologies to 'get revenge on all those women who hurt/ignored me'. So of course they're going to dismiss anything that goes counter to that philosophy. We're turning into a more angry version of 'seduction' more and more, just look at all the posts "omg look more proof women are shallow whores!" that have being popping up (and pay attention to how many up votes they always generate).
I think most people are getting caught up on the word 'money' in OP's post. I would call it (and I'm sure he intended it as) chasing being financially successful. Just like why we go to the gym, it's not just about the gains we create, it's about the process and creating a sense of discipline and denying short term happiness to achieve long term goals. Similarly being financially successful isn't necessarily about 'having 1 Mil in the bank' , but it's about creating a positive, disciplined and determined mentality that gets you to where you want to go with your life.
Great post op
nicechallenge 9y ago
I agree I'm actually amazed by the kind of delusional comments like: You don't need to chase money Chasing money won't bring you happiness In order to be happy you must be happy with yourself first, etc. These comments sound like the old be happy for who you really are, don't change and stay confortable kind of advice. First of all is a delusion to say money won't bring you happiness well maybe not if you are a monk but if you live in the society money is the key to be free and capable of accomplishing your dreams. I live by the rule of: whatever is that you want to achieve money will get you there faster and easier than any other thing. You want to quit your job? that's easy because I've already save a couple thousands to do that. You want to travel to the most amazing places? No problem I have money. You want to fuck a hot woman? I can get a top hooker or a great girl because I'm successful. You want to live your dream? yep you need money for that too. It's a delusion to say money is not that important, that's the kind of thing only a monk or a guy who is incapable of producing wealth says.
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Don't Gain The World & Lose Your Soul, Wisdom Is Better Than Silver Or Gold
Trust me, money ain't shit. What I want is financial independence, I don't buy a lot and therefore spend a lot. I know people squatting empty places and are more happy than any cooperate slave I've ever seen.
I'm not going to chase money to get my dick licked, that's the ultimate chuck move. I do whatever the fuck I want and take responsibility for those actions.
nicechallenge 9y ago
"I do whatever the fuck I want and take responsibility for those actions." Yeah to do whatever the fuck you want you need to be free and if you live in this society money is the only way to be free. Yeah wisdom is great in fact I'm really happy with what I have right now the problem is where do we draw the line between mediocrity and living only to make money? My answer to this question needs to come from within after a lot of instrospection but whatever you come up with, you will still need money to get that dream. As I stated before if your dream is to be a monk then you don't need money, personally I think meditation is great and everything but I don't want to be a monk to be honest so I will chase money in order to be free and do whatever the fuck I want as you said.
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Understandable, I do not disagree with you. For me money is mostly worthless. My goal is to work as productive and less time consuming as possible and make most money in that time. Time is worth something. I do not chase fancy cars, luxury apartments and all that. I need people I can surround myself with to be a better man. I was never blue pill to be honest the red pill just showed me why I was successful because I really didn't give a fuck about women and I still don't . I'm here to better myself in other aspects and don't care about the women they come and go anyway.
Same with lifting. I love lifting, it's the greatest thing for me. But some people gotta draw a line if you don't go out to socialize because you'd blow up your Marcos for the day you gotta fix your priories. It's all about balance.
My best friend is 20 years old and a high school drop out making £20k a month on commission and isn't really happy.
nicechallenge 9y ago
Totally agree the secret is where do you draw the line, moderation is key but we need to know the difference between moderation and mediocrity otherwise we can fall into the trap of being complacent and living just for the sake of confort.
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This is the sort of lie people tell thenselves to convince thenselves they are happy. Then they look at Donald Trump like he is a god
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I laugh my ass off when I see rich bankers in their cars smirking at me in their Bentley while their wife is getting fucked by some natty young motherfucker
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Why was a rich banker in a Bentley smirking at you? (Nohomo)
BananaWilly 9y ago
Women are shallow.
When you get money you can just as easily rent your women. No alimony, no regrets, no "pay attention to me and stop playing that damn game".
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MAX_Fury 9y ago
I have that book on my shelf, I love it, it's such a great read, I read it every month. Good luck on your journey man
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80% and 272 points for a post basically calling on becoming a betabux.. A lot of newbies on this sub are not doing their homework.
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"What you own, ends up owning you" - Fight Club
Women, like all luxury items, are things you must learn to be able to live without first. Those who possess a SO understands the amount of commitment they must output on a daily basis. Prioritise yourself.
Money, like women, will also end up evading you one day if you find yourself so attached as to unable to let go. Learn to invest in yourself, for money its own entity is entirely useless to your development. Prioritise yourself.
Instead seek to be someone of profound inherent value and be able to provide profound value but in order to be someone of value, you must first prioritise yourself.
deaduponaviral 9y ago
All you ever need
frankgold 9y ago
Do not even chase money. Focus on using your unique abilities, expertise, skills to solve problems for others. The bigger problem you solve for more people, the richer you get. Lose yourself in service to others in the marketplace, and you can get anything you want.
"You can get anything you want, if you help enough other people get what they want. " - Zig Ziglar.
dongpal 9y ago
how to figure out what other people need help at? where does the mass need help at?
how to know if the skill you are learning is helpful?
memphisjohn 9y ago
Ah yes, the wisdom of Tony Montana (aka Scarface)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBcflBBGKhE
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Thought the same thing haha
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what a bunch of noob circlejerking. Go back read your roissy, rollo and roosh, you bunch of "don't-need-no-woman!" / self-improvement-masturbation noobs..
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MoonLair 9y ago
Chasing things is fruitless. Be true to yourself and follow your true north.
BehrGris 9y ago
A lot of people here seem to be discrediting this post as if raising your smv through cash (which is the most effective way to raise your smv if you had to choose one) isn't important.
I completely understand and agree with the point of this post, great job.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Chase money if you like, get a ton of it if that's what you want.
Me, I chase other things, money simply allows me to do what I want, more of it means I do it faster. Money isn't my goal, but I need some of it to achieve my goals. I chase torque, horsepower, efficiency, capability, knowledge, understanding, experience and satisfaction in doing my thing to the best of my ability.
In building the things that excite me, I build my life. Money is not my measure of success, achievement is. I'm only looking to impress myself, and the bar is quite high. The challenge of doing more with less and getting out more than I put in is my main focus in life. Focusing on this means I learn far more about what I'm doing and how it all functions, as well as how it relates to everything related to that process.
Taking a rusty old heap of shit and rebuilding everything to run as fast as possible, as reliably as possible, for the least amount of cash teaches you what is imprudent and what is important. That translates to everything you do in life. You learn to ask the right questions, put the effort where it will do the most good, and not waste time on futile window dressing.
When you want to go fast but have no money, and it leaves you two options.
A. Make lots of money and then throw money at people who know how to do it. You can run out of money easily, get fired, divorced, market crash, theft, all sorts of ways to end up back with nothing and very little to show for it. In three end you still don't know anything but how to get the money.
B. Learn to do it all yourself, acquire the knowledge and skills required so you don't have to pay anyone else to do it for you, which gives you the option of paying someone to do it so you can focus on another aspect if you want rather than your only choice is to pay everyone to do it for you. The added benefit is that you learn what works, what doesn't, and the most effective means of getting the job done. You can follow the crowd and be mediocre doing this, but if you apply what you learn by doing, you will superceded everyone but the deepest pockets.
Who will have more fun? The guy trading hours for dollars in a boring job, or the man who is out there chasing his passions and finding a way?
Money just speeds up what you can do, and it's utterly useless if you don't spend it. Being frugal while chasing your passion is the intelligent way, but it must be balanced with risk. Choose which risks you take wisely. Girls are a shitty risk.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Additionally without an edit. What op said about girls is still accurate, they shouldn't be the focus. They're a distraction at best.
throwurnutsaway 9y ago
Or chase experiences instead of things. You know, the traveling vagabond type for example. Or a druggie musician. Wilderness expedition dudes. Etc.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Quite right, travel is very fulfilling and expands your world view in a positive way. The distance between Dubai and Seoul is the only bit left for me to circumnavigate the planet in the northern hemisphere. I did more then simply visit, I lived in most countries for months or years and got to know the locals and the culture.
That brings up diversification, you don't want to be a one trick pony. Do many things, become proficient at it. Learn languages and hope to repair your car, learn to build a PC and how to grow your own food. Learn anything useful and/or interesting. No need to be a masterful expert with decades of experience, become proficient and continue to do it on the side as you learn new things.
The_Man11 9y ago
Don't chase money, don't chase women. Chase greatness.
robertpaulsontitties 9y ago
A man needs a full spectrum of development in order to live a good life. Anyone saying to that the secret is that only X matters therefore get as much X as you can is, at best, grossly oversimplifying the complexities of life. A lot of people recommend starting with the body (i.e. lifting, etc) for reasons that it the both addresses a lot of immediate needs but also puts you in favorable position dealing with the other areas of life. This is a viewpoint that I share as it makes the most sense to me.
No one can seriously argue that money doesn't matter, especially as you get older. However, if someone comes at this from the perspective that money trumps everything they are likely going to neglect other areas of their life. If you have money but are otherwise one dimensional, you may as well just go to a prostitute because that is what your relationships ultimately will boil down to. The reality is that men don't go to prostitutes as much as they potentially could. The reason for this is that men do, in fact, care whether the woman wants to get fucked by them or not outside of any financial concerns.
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NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
Satanism & Luciferianism (Illuminati Mind Control) -Mark Passio - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaLTZwT9XQs
I've seen a couple of his videos and he really knows the occult knowledge across a wide variety of disciplines.
Red Pill seems to fit into Luciferianism in that the desire to have power over reality (Game) is of central importance. But then we also have the Dark Triads who specialize in actually ruling over weaker minds and usually makes the weaker suffer in some way. The Satanist is the guy who is entirely materialistic and generally nihilistic, but his goal is just ego satisfaction and isn't into the mind control stuff as much as the Luciferians.
Personally I try to be a Luciferian but of the lighter side... the 777 using sacred numbers.
Generally it goes:
Beta : Clueless, slave like, needy, represented by the number 555.
Satanist : Materialistic, nihilistic, seeks animal pleasures and goes by 666.
In the occult world Luciferians rule over the Satanists, but both the Luciferians and the Satanists despise the Betas.
The Blue Pill was built by Luciferians who are the global elites.
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ChadThundercockII 9y ago
Can you please elaborate on the Luciferian side ? I enjoy getting into these old forms of archetypes.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
Watch / listen to the youtube.
He goes into great detail.
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RedPillAnonymous 9y ago
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FaustoRMD 9y ago
Really interesting. Have you looked into chaos magick?
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
"Magick"... that's new to me.
Will look into it.
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Byizo 9y ago
Don't chase anything. Practice being content and happy with what you have and where you are. This should not be confused with growing complacent. Always have goals and plans to reach a little higher, but do not become so attached that you can't be happy without it.
Envision a life where you lose your job, your friends, your family, and all your posessions. Imagine starting over from scratch. Would it break you or would you confidently move on with your life, knowing those external factors do not shape you?
Batou_Red 9y ago
It's not even money. Chase goals that make you happy. You know what I do in my free time? Whatever the fuck I want. lifting, educationally edifying pursuits, working on cars. Passion is quite an aphrodisiac regardless of the object.
Rhunta 9y ago
Dont chase money, chase power.
KartagoPill 9y ago
Amen. Money opens possibilities. Women need yor time and money and offer pussy.
BRENDORVEGAS 9y ago
Everything is a chase. Eventually it all goes back in the box.
wallado 9y ago
I feel so many are deluded on this sub into thinking money doesn't matter. Wake up. Money is power, the reason we are worth more than 100 starving Africans, the reason you fucking go to work. With power comes everything else.
Stop making the deluded old excuse of "I don't want to be seen as a provider"
To the people saying chasing money is the same as women, that's wrong. Countries go to fucking war for monetary reasons and power. If you don't think money/political power is the most important thing in this world then you have a bit of blue pill delusion in you, and you're telling yourself the easy solution.
trauma_gland 9y ago
What do you say to the college men still working toward that foundation for a career?
Game is important my friend.
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Chasing money won't bring you any more happiness than chasing women will. In fact, it's the same enterprise. Men chase women because of what women have in hopes that women will give it to us. When you chase money you are chasing what someone else has (money, resources, validation, approval, etc.) in hopes that you can obtain it from them. Either way, someone else is still setting the price and calling the shots and you're jumping obstacles like a trick dog.
Instead, chase yourself. I don't necessarily mean go your own way, I mean: a) make yourself the top priority, and 2) the top priority of you is getting to know yourself. Listen to yourself about what makes you happy and content and motivated and proud instead of what the world says will provide those ends for you.
This isn't about "just being yourself," it's about "creating the best damn you that you can be." And no one knows more about you and what you need than you, if only you'll stop listening to all the other fuck ups who are out chasing one thing--what someone else has.
veggie_girl 9y ago
You are correct. Chasing money won't bring happiness. Chasing money is a pain in the ass. Why is everyone broke? Why is liberal arts or women's studies a college program? Because people don't want to do what it takes to chase money. It's miserable.
I'll tell you what isn't miserable. Not caring what the price of gas is. Not having rent/mortgage because I own my house. Having a full refrigerator at all times. Taking a day off of work because I feel like it and not having to lie about being sick or give any other excuse. Having enough extra zeros in my account that if I needed a new kidney, I could buy one. And most of all, knowing that I sacrificed and worked doing something lucrative that nobody loves but that it allows me to readily do the things I do love. Having money.
And with that. Having money is like having sex. Chasing it can be a miserable pain in the ass. But it can make you feel great to have it. But feels aside, happiness is a fleeting emotion. It will come and go no matter who you are. If you focus your whole life on chasing happiness you'll probably be just as miserable.
Get to know yourself? What? I hope you know that all we are is the cumulative of the data and stimulus we've acquired over our lifetimes combined with our genetic instincts. We're just data. We aren't special snowflakes. Yes we make decisions and yes we have pride, but pride is just a lesser form of happiness. Our likes and dislikes change over the years. "Do you" sounds like some psuedo feel good bullshit if I've ever heard it. Acquire currency is solid advice. There is no hobby that is made worse by being rich.
JefemanG 9y ago
Agreed. OP's not really on the right track here. At the end of the day you won't care how many girls you have, how much money you have, etc., you'll care about WHAT you are. You can be rich and drowning in everything you want, but if you're still a piece of shit, you'll feel it. Look at how many wealthy people hate themselves. Having money IS important, but if you can't be the best man you possibly can, it's all for naught.
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Fully agree. Getting laid isn't a bad thing it's just not all that important. Making lots of money isn't bad. It's just not necessary to live a fulfilling life. Getting other people's validation isn't important. What you do for your own life and living it on your own terms is important. Nobody gives a fuck about you or what you do with yourself. They care about what you can do for them to get ahead. If you don't provide some kind of value to them then your meaningless to them. I'm not saying to not help people there is personal value in that. But don't expect people to give a fuck about you unless you can provide some value. Gain value in your life for you. Give it out on your terms. Don't worry about what others think it just doesn't matter.
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dingman58 9y ago
Do you, brother. Only yourself can know the path you must walk.
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I myself do calisthenics AND weights. One or the other doesn't settle for me, cardio/calisthenics alone I basically ate back what I burned and lifting alone while it helped me lift things in real life and burn more fat I also had to eat more often which wouldn't work most days, also without the cardio/calisthenics I ran out of breath too much during high-tempo peak hours in the day where I used to work. I find myself liking a balance in the middle myself.
truchisoft 9y ago
You all need to understand that lifting is used instead of calisthenics because of the clear message, if you think two minutes about it you will see that people can get lazy while doing bodyweights (hey, I do BW, i do 30 pushups a day!) and not so much by lifting
redestofthereds 9y ago
How the fuck did this get up voted? Not chasing money leads to personal stagnation. It leads to sitting on your ass.
People who are up voting this want to believe that it's okay to be mediocre.
RetiredTimeHo 9y ago
Agreed. You have to actually capture the money and the women at some point if you want to increase your happiness.
Endlessly chasing them is useless.
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Stormhammer 9y ago
You should ask yourself then, what would you want more.
Paying child support to 5 women, being broke, still having tons of sex with a lot of women.
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Being in an LTR/marriage where you could still apply TRP, dual income, nice home, and at least still have one woman who gets tingles for you.
... the last statement really makes me want to make a post of how to make almost any woman get tingles for you based on how you speak ( hey, its how I went on 7 dates this past weekend and either had sex or blow jobs from 5 of them ).
Redpillc0re 9y ago
i think your comment is wrong
It's not the same thing. Money buys you time, which is more precious than anything. It is not tied to your self worth (unless you so pathetic that you have nowhere else to anchor your self-worth). It is not about one-upping everyone else (unless the opposite makes you feel worthless). Money is a tool, and a very good one. It also gets you women. It's not supposed to make you happy, and chasing women won't make you happy either.
"Just be yourself" and "become a better version of yourself" are non-actionable neutralizers for men; they won't make you happy either. Finding meaning in life is what makes us happy.
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If you still don't know what your purpose is, or what makes you happy, then you might as well spend your time making money until you do. And when that happens, you can bet that the money will help.
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HectorBebb 9y ago
How does money "buy you time" when you have to hustle your ass off and eat shit to get the money?
FuckYouIAmDrunk 9y ago
You're going to need to hustle your ass off anyway to survive, might as well do it for more so one day you can do it for less.
Redpillc0re 9y ago
if you 're smart you 'll waste less time making them and more time using them. Money is a useful tool because it provides this kind of leverage. I can't think of a more fruitful way to spend your time in this sense.
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Exactly, he isn't saying get money to get bitches or anything, though that might be a side benefit.
What he is saying is make money so you aren't dependent and you can do what you want to do. Basically have Fuck You money
exotictantra 9y ago
buy John's time to mow my garden for $8 hr while I go around eating/making shit at $120/hr or relax
See I bought time
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[deleted] 9y ago
This is a male hamster comment which says nothing. OP is totally correct. He is not suggesting that you fail in other areas of your life. He is correctly stating that acquring money will make you happy and the women will follow. This is the core of red pill, improve yourself and don't focus on the women. Go to the gym, make your mission the centre of your life. Confusing this with a bunch of verbal diarreah about "being the best you" is just dumb.
Stormhammer 9y ago
I think a lot of people miss this point. Sure, talking about women is fine and all, but that's not the core of what this sub is supposed to be about. It's about shedding your beta, pushover ways and rishing like the phoenix.
veggie_girl 9y ago
Every time I see this comment, I direct someone to the sidebar. It doesn't need to be commented what this sub is about because it's literally right over there.
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Yep, its about teaching them the way the game works, because its not what we were taught. After you read a hundred or so examples, you start picking it up more from day to day, and you finally see the undercurrents of conversation that you were blind to before.
I can still remember this SJW that seemed like every other SJW, but after knowing him for about 9 months I finally realised that he just KNOWS how the game works, and is playing it. I kinda made a mistake because I saw MGTOW before TRP, and while I didn't call people out on their BS, I didn't take advantage of it either. Know better now
Maximum_Ordinate 9y ago
Live small so you can control every aspect of your life. The same way a beta can be possessed by a woman, a beta can also be owned by things/money/insert addiction.
If you focus solely on self improvement, you give yourself worth. If your worth is derived from money, you will lose your worth with your money, or never have enough of either. In order to be happy, you first have to be happy with yourself.
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I very much agree with this premise. I believe in the whole financial independence/early retirement idea. I want to have "fuck you" money so I can exercise the ability to be my own man. I find inward pursuits the most rewarding. Improving one's self is often not very expensive. The reason people don't do it is because it's hard. Determination and persistence are not traits you can buy. I'd rather be steel forged to diamond like hardness than a gilt man as soft as gold.
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destraht 9y ago
I'm from California and I've lived rather small in Nicaragua and Ukraine and what I figured out from the immense disparity of these places is that your value is simply relative to what other people can do. It seems obvious but it gets real deep when things start really going to shit. That means that many men are not doing well and the price of pussy in its different currencies is just relative to what other men can pay plus or minus some built in entitlement level. Meaning that a lot of women will be holding out for some kind of thing that isn't available maybe at all and that some of their pussies will just run bone dry if none of her options meet a certain level. Then some places are really perfect environments in a lot of way but you couldn't get a woman to want to be there and they tend to gravitate towards areas that are beneficiaries of the government plunder routines. After getting around a lot I see quite a lot of power struggles as quite irrelevant but people get caught up in them and many would simply rather live half as well and to be a part of the hustle. In these bustling places you'll find more women than men and most of them are holding out for their nine minutes of alpha cock and they are far above so much lesser cock. Living well isn't what it is about for most women and they will suffer for the chance at a quick pump and dump from the right kind of man. You can live really amazing out there in the world and just have a great life but expecting the kinds of women that you want to be around in that too easy and amazing life is unfortunately a bit of fantasy. So sure go on the amazing fishing trip, sail the world and so on and it will make you better and you will be banging some occasional loose traveling women but if you really want to bang women you should go to a terrible kind of disco owned by some manner of gangster. Just look at the popular music it is about having won over people and not living a peaceful environment full of happiness and sex. The puss tends to be a zero-sum game and is destroyed by the tragedy of the commons.
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exactly my fealings - there is always a fight (literally or in the matter of body fitness, money) to get a hot girl.. there is NO place on the earth where you can have a hot GF just like that...
Maximum_Ordinate 9y ago
I mean, I can see the truth in this, but getting laid isn't my endgame. I have found that I have become a much more interesting person by doing things and pursueing my interests and thereby a more marketable person (if you get what I mean).
destraht 9y ago
To speak to that I've often found that pussy is inversely proportional to basically every other part of contentment. I find it difficult to turn normal girls on and off like a light switch on demand and they are kind of those stealer of dreams. So periods of really my fill of sex and then doing my own thing and in Ukraine with cheap and clean massages. They are burdensome creatures right?
Maximum_Ordinate 9y ago
Only if you allow them to be.
SexyDeviI 9y ago
This is one of the best comments I've ever read on The Red Pill.
Even the great Terence McKenna would find himself proud reading this.
Cyberdellic 9y ago
your the first redpiller ive seen mention my fav philosopher/great thinker! could you please elaborate on what you said?
SexyDeviI 9y ago
Red Pill goes into male/female sexual and social dynamics, the system upon which our society is constructed and how we can prosper in it - and it dwells on these subjects like few other philosophies.
Yet its very core and essence is situated in the process of acquisition - whether it be money, muscles, females, status or understanding.
Posts like the one above are very few and far between and they transcend the usual Red Pill philosophy in a sense that they disregard the how to and have to processes of our supposed purpose of achieving something in the external world, and focus instead on suggesting us that we should make our internal worlds a priority while the external world can have the honor of being a passive observer, instead of the ruler whose actions, "achievements" and "events" determine our inner world.
"Chasing yourself" is a genius statement. Once you start doing it, most of the Red Pill concepts (that are extremely useful in their way) fall in their meaninglessness because "outcome independence", being "alpha", "focusing on yourself", and "bettering yourself" are a givens that need no additional reminding to do - there's no way around them.
Imagine the power of emotion and zeal by which you've chased a girl you thought was Unicorn. Thinking about her all the time, feeling powerful emotions towards her, chasing her, making her happy.
Now imagine that instead her place was switched by you. You are your own worst oneitis, so you can't have any other. You are your own biggest love. You are truly the most important thing in your life. Any experience is a learning aid that helps you get to know better the person you love most - yourself. The boundary between "good" and "bad" experiences dissolve because you find every one of them a valuable lessons you need to take.
All you care about is getting to know you - more deeply, more profoundly, more intensely. Until you find that place, some call Heaven, some Nirvana, some Enlightement, a place where you truly are perfectly happy and content with yourself, and the external world can't do anything to you - can't hurt you, can't disappoint you, can't fail you, because there is nothing you want to take from it, only to give it, because you already have it all.
This post led to considering a step toward reaching this destination. That is why it was so important. That's why it was so invaluable.
Cyberdellic 9y ago
lovely man I think Terence would be proud to read this.
btw I have noticed the most positive change in my life recently when I began only comparing myself to yesterdays version of myself and truly living to my potential every single moment of every day, as terence said, truly only limited by our imagination
SexyDeviI 9y ago
Keep on doing what you're doing, I believe you're on a great path my friend.
It was a pleasure sharing views with you.
nicechallenge 9y ago
Yeah and you need money to get what you truly want no matter what different the goal is from what society expects. For example maybe after a lot of introspection you came to the conclusion that you want to live in a cabin in alaska for the rest of your life. Well you need money to accomplish that dream not that much but anyways. In my case I've always wanted to have a lambo or ferrari since I was a kid that is my real goal but I need a lot of money since nothing is free in this life.
Maximum_Ordinate 9y ago
Nothing material is free. A Lamborghini is a pile of money. Owning one in most cases doesn't improve you as a person, what improves you is the skill set you must gain to make a Lamborghini a legitimate possibility.
nicechallenge 9y ago
I agree that's why not everyone has one, you must be willing to work hard, read about how money works in order to make good decisions and investments, also discipline to avoid spending in useless things. Not a lot of people are willing to do the work so they just say it's impossible or another mechanism is reducing the achievement by condemming it as something bad, evil, arrogant or the most common one: You must be so unhappy not everything is money. Diminishing something hard to achieve in order to feel good about myself for not being able to get the achievement.
mensafloyd 9y ago
I can tell you right now, my Gallardo definitely makes the world a better place! Don't get a Ferrari, it will spend most of the time in the mechanic's garage than on the road. Understand this:
Ferrari: Timing belt Lamborghini: Timing CHAIN.
If you do get a Lambo, never let a chick ride in it. People pay $300 for a 15-30 minute ride in one and $1,000 for day rental.
She is not entitled!
FuckYouIAmDrunk 9y ago
So...just tell the woman to walk to your house and then speed off in your lambo?
Good luck with that.
replepok 9y ago
As in, don't even let her ride in the passenger seat? Why lmao?
mensafloyd 9y ago
Straight up economics. Each time she steps in that car, it's a $300 value. So she better be fucking your brains out for that kind of doe.
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Stormhammer 9y ago
I'd have to agree.
Sorry, if I'm dating a chick and own a Lambo, you better fucking believe we're going to dress to the 9s and have a date night.
nicechallenge 9y ago
Hahaha how much do you pay for the gallardo? I heard those are around 80k, so it sounds like my most plausible option right now or a 360 modena but to be honest I think it's shit haha.
mensafloyd 9y ago
When I traded in my M6 I was able to get the 2007 Gallardo down to 95K. However, I would not get an earlier model than 2007. It seems that Lamborghini/Audi finally worked out all the kinks by that year. See that image of a 360 Modena in your head? Ok, throw it away. You're spending a lot of money for what you get back in a car. I would strongly consider the Audi R8 V10 over the 360 Modena. You get a lot more car for a lot less money and headaches.
nicechallenge 9y ago
Thanks for the advice man, my dream car is an aventador but I got to be realistic with the kind of money I'm capable of earning.
apachemd 9y ago
I just got a Tesla Model S and love it but it's not a chick magnet. So you're say the highest ROI for this purpose is a 2007 Lambo Gallardo for around 100K? Not a red Ferrari? I know that's a bit cliched but isn't a red Ferrari the classic panty-wetting supercar? And, I always see ghetto rappers with Lambos, aren Ferraris considered "classier"?
mensafloyd 9y ago
Most ghetto rappers do not know how to effectively drive an E-Gear Lambo. That's why they 'cruise' with them. In fact, I've never come across a ghetto rapper that's a serious track racer or motorcycle rider. That requires skills. Anyway, as for the Ferrari, I will tell you this. The two best days when I owned a 348 is when I bought it and when I sold it. Now on the topic of 'chick magnets'. It is my experience that women prefer (in terms of male own chick magnets):
sexy (Ferrari/NSX) vs. exotic (Lambo/Lotus), power (H1/Discovery II) vs. utility (Newer SUV's X3's) snob appeal (post-wall) (Mercedes SL350/BMW Z4) or fun and sporty (pre-wall) (Mazda Miata) vs masculine refinement (BMW M6)
I'm waiting to see what Toyota is going to do with the TF-1. Initially, I had high hopes for it because they were going to stick with the original design and offer it with a supercharged V6 or V8. Then, Toyota stated the new Supra was going to be the TF-1. However, Toyota is NOW saying that the new Supra is 'inspired' by the TF-1 design and offer it as a hybrid 4 banger. I hope they stick to the original plan but BMW maybe pressuring Toyota to not compete with the i8. Which is too bad because the Original TF-1 would have given the new NSX a run for its money!
Stormhammer 9y ago
You know, I own a 2008 Miata, and it never fails to surprise me how much attention it attracts from women. Mind you, the Mazdaspeed bumper makes it look more aggressive than a happy bar of soap, but I've had women at gas stations start talking to me about it to a girl at a drive through stating that she'd love to ride along with the top down. I picked her up when she got off of work that night :D
Although now its time to hunker down to purchase an abode, but my next target goal is an F-Type.
beguntheclonewarhas 9y ago
Been broke my whole life. Just now starting to make some real money and tbh, it feels incredible.
Still early days, but so far, money has bought be happiness. And pussy. And nice clothes. And the ability to travel. And treat others. And eat healthier. Etc.
Get that money my niggas, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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RetiredTimeHo 9y ago
Real talk. I don't know what the fuck is this bullshit nonsense about money not buying happiness or making people happy.
Money is literally freedom.
Money is getting your car fixed with no stress
Money is vacation
Money is the food you put in your body
Money is telling your supervisor to fuck himself when he disrespects you because you don't need the job anyways
Money is the medicine you need when you get sick
Money is that favor for a friend who needs it
Money is a lawyer when you're in trouble with the law or you need to bail your cousin out of jail
Money is literally ANYTHING you want it to be.
Fuck anyone who tells you not to make money and anyone who thinks money isn't king in this world is a blue pill fucking moron who can't accept reality.
PrimaxAUS 9y ago
People saying money doesn't matter are just loser-justifying why they don't have any, to make themselves feel better.
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Or people at the top of Maslow's pyramid.
FuckYouIAmDrunk 9y ago
I don't think anyone is saying that money isn't important, just that everything is relative.
Take away all of a billionaires money and give him 100k a year, and he will probably be miserable, but that same amount would make another person set for life.
Make as much money as you can, but don't kill your self and sacrifice your happiness just to get more than you need.
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No, you give him 100k and he will make more of it. Again. Money is everything and only helpless faggots write horrible feel-good bullshit to other helpless faggots like the first comment of this thread.
FuckYouIAmDrunk 9y ago
Money is everything? Sounds like a sad life.
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Yeah man I'm fucking miserable...
RetiredTimeHo 9y ago
Bills paid, instant social status and respect, freedom to travel or live almost anywhere, no need to work, and ability to buy anything you can imagine or pay someone else to imagine it for you.
truly a sad life
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SpinPlates 9y ago
Terrible advice. Don't chase anything.
BlueFreedom420 9y ago
A turkey sandwich with just tomato over a ho? Certainly
Local_Crew 9y ago
Wall of text to summarize an ol southern joke huh?
I know many men who've gone broke chasing pussy.
But I don't know any men who run out of pussy, chasing money.
R3v4mp3d 9y ago
While I do love your post OP (really I do!), I want to shed a bit of light here. Humans = animals. How do animals find a mate? Courtship. How does courtship work? This differs for each species, but usually the male will make a nest (rich BB), put up a dance/ show off his feathers/ etc (PUA doing his thing in the club), fight over social ranking with other males until he reaches a high tier or the top (true alpha males, top 1%, the people on the right path).
That aside: GREAT post OP! You have a strong point and you presented it to me in a small handful of sentences. Thank you! I appreciate it.
Personal question (which sadly isn't addressed enough in TRP): any quick starting tips on the making money thing? I'm already in the 9-5 rat race but I'm looking to alternatives for escaping (saving money for early retirement is not my plan btw).
Geleemann 9y ago
From what I understand from this post is that you're basically saying chase money to get women? I don't and will not chase money for the purpose of having bitches.
I work for money to get the things I need/want. Women aren't even in that equation
But I agree with your other points
musicvita25 9y ago
"Chasing" is the wrong approach.
Accumulate Wealth. Do not chase paper. Paper chasers are people who play the lottery.
Instead make your money in your business, or get promoted.
Rasalom72 9y ago
You missed out on the fact that you shouldn't be "chasing" anything. You don't need money to get women. You don't need money to have a good life. You only need enough money to have the type of life you want to have.
Money is a means to an end. Then end being "Having a great life". Now some people will tell you that money solves all your problems, yadda, yadda, yadda.... but if you're a fat slob, you might have some gold diggers around you, that will toss you a bone once in a while and give you sex... but you're still a fat slob.
This sub is not about "Get Rich or Die Tryin'".... it's about how to get women to have sex with you. Everything about being a better man, (more money, better grooming, lifting, etc) is all about GETTING WOMEN TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.
While everything is about making us into the men we were meant to be, at the end of the day, our sole reason for existing is not to make more cash.... it's to pass on our genes (HAVE SEX WITH WOMEN).... and everything we do is a means to that end.
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calloberjig 9y ago
Yep, that's the crux of it.
It is your duty as a man to maximise your ability to fulfill your biological imperative.
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Rasalom72 9y ago
I agree.. but this sub is not about being a better man... all the stuff you mentioned are simply additional benefits of what we are doing to get the sex we want.
cmkinusn 9y ago
This sub is absolutely about being a better man. It is one facet of that goal, which is to understand the real behaviors and mindset of women and the real behaviors and mindset of a man. The sexual marketplace requires you to be worth something, and frankly you wont find the sex you want if you aren't also becoming a much better man than you started off as.
Not to mention that the minute you start reading into the great authors (as in the Great Books, hence "THE" great authors) who fuel the Red Pill's ideology, you find that they sought to be better human beings and that reading their books and raising yourself up to their level through understanding them makes you a far better human being, not just a more marketable man.
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I once worked for a really wise man who taught me this advice. Guy was very red pill and very business savy.
Another golden piece of wisdom he dropped on me was when two hot 20 somethings came in to our store one day, while assisting them with their purchases (retail) my boss asked me a question after they left..
Boss: "So which one did you find attractive?"
Me: "I thought the one on the right was pretty cute"
Boss: "That's the wrong answer, they're both hot."
Abundance mentality in action here. While he could be kind of a dickhead sometimes, he gave me a lot of man to man real world advice.
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nebojssha 9y ago
Sure, if you live in a right part of the world to have bloody chance to earn money
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Nah, chase your freedom and true independence. You can easily become a corporate wage slave by chasing money.
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Jakemeninst 9y ago
I am selective when it comes to reading TRP stuffs because some of the posts in here focus solely on "getting women".I am very much a successful man when it comes to women but some of the posts about women,explaining how their mind works were very insightful but I am attracted to posts like this one.Why do I like this post?Because the post is more about self improvement (by product-Women) rather than a post which explains to tweak your personality in order to hypnosis women into you.
Keep this words in your heart.The only way to be happy is to gain wealth by doing what you like,making great male friend circle, physical activity(gym) and mental activity(Meditation,Yoga etc).Note that mental activity is as important as physical activity. Forget about women.If you focus on women,you won't be happy in the long term.
Sullson 9y ago
TLDR. Be a beta provider. Dont learn about women when u r young, study, get a good job, when u hit 30s and are rich, some used skank will take you as her provider.
Toolbox you say? All of that is bullshit if you just read about that. You have to internalize it. And how to do it? Practice, spend time with woman, you cannot pretend to be cool and get best girl u want to get, you must BECOME cool, by failing and losing tons of bitches.
There are some noobies who should focus on picking up girls, just beacuse they are horrible with woman but wanna change it. There are some ppl that have no problem with that so thay should focus on career or whatever the fuck they want.
Next time add that it is something that works for YOU and MAY or may NOT work for others.
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WakandaDrama 9y ago
Nas is an intelligent former coke dealer with blue pill tendencies.
His first baby mama was a notorious chicken head, alledgly fucked JayZ behind his back, she was an attention whore riding off of being a nobody celebrity baby mama.
His ex wife, Kelis, divorced raped him for $30,000 a month, while he's stuck with a tatt of her on his arm. Oh, and she got custody of their baby at the time.
He doesn't own the masters of his debut and arguably the best modern rap album, illmatic.
That being said, if a chick doesn't like you when you're broke, why is she chilling with you when your pockets get fixed?
DatAEK971 9y ago
True story. Most everyone and everything has a price. Money can bring happiness. Just ask a poor person. Or a poor person who moved up the economic latter. This time last year I was making $8.50 an hour at Subway.I was not happy. Now the I'm making about $32 an hour.
I am way happier with my 32 an hour.
egoisenemy 9y ago
No dude, TRP= being a better man/ getting bitches. Money is one factor but if you focus too much on $ then you get gold diggers and lack frame. You can do both by splitting it like 70% career, 30% women.
Yes you should be the prized to be chased but don't be a beta bucks who doesn't know how to deal with women and flaunts his money, inevitably attracting gold diggers.
Money is simply one aspect of sexual selection; i'd say focus on money not for women but because it fucking pays your bills and stops you from being hungry and homeless.
KingChronos 9y ago
I have to disagree. You should seek a long term relationship with someone who supports your career decisions.
You could work for money now but once you actually have that money further down the line in life, the pool of quality women to finally settle with will be nonexistent.
TRP seems to support short term sex-orientated relationships but when you're 40 and moderately wealthy and all you can find are shallow gold diggers you'll regret it.
sumdumbullshit 9y ago
I hate to rain on this parade, but having success and money in and of itself doesn't get you laid or chased by women. You need to display it. I have plenty of those and no one chases me. Why? Because I don't own flashy shit, I refuse to waste it on them and I make it clear to anyone I date that I intend to make sure they get as little of it as possible.
Money is like muscles. Unless you're willing to dress it up and display it, it doesn't get you any attention at all. On the income spectrum I appear to be no different than a high school teacher. Fine by me.
darren559 9y ago
Yes sir. I have no problem dating, but she pays for her own stuff and I pay for mine. Those are the boundaries I set, and if she doesn't like them then that is fine, it is her choice to move on to find some provider. We are independent beings that share a life. As soon as one or the other becomes dependent on the other, well then it's all downhill from there and I nope the fuck out as quickly as possible.
notmyusualreddit 9y ago
The only advice my dad ever gave was "Keep a low profile". I'm not saying he shouldn't have given me a lot more advice, but I always remember that being the one thing he really took a second to tell me.
I never understood it until I bought a very unique widebody real prerunner for the street at the height of the prerunner phase a few years ago. Every male 15 to 30 in my town was waving and talking to me in parking lots. I would get tagged on instagram by friends that saw my truck posted by people. You could almost follow my commute path by the instragram tags.
Then I took the truck to 'huckfest' and a very popular user tagged my truck there and it got over 1000 likes. Thats the day I realized "Everyone on the internet knows where I am and that my house is completely empty right now...."
I sold it a few months later. My dad was right.
Redpillc0re 9y ago
you speak the truth.
I hate how people always pretend they need to have 3 PhDs and 10 years of research in PUA to get a woman. Want girls? show it off, thats what all animals do.
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destraht 9y ago
I'm a programmer living in Ukraine and I go to cafes and work because I really find it depressing to spend like 18+ hours a day in my own room. Not an option. Anyways it kind of fucks them up because my money just magically appears and they have no idea what to make of that freedom. Its unprecedented really and other than say some oligarchs son it just doesn't make sense and I don't roll like that. They just get confused because Ukrainians are "nigger rich" meaning the gold plated caddy and a shitty home kind of a thing.
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rezanow 9y ago
"You'd rather look good and lose than look bad and win." - White Men Can't Jump
prodigy2throw 9y ago
Learn to enjoy the process of making money/ starting a business or new stream of income.
Never depend on a single income source. That's how you become stuck in the same dead end job for decades.
Abundance mentality works just as well in the workplace if not better. If they know you have options they will work hard to keep you moving up.
unassumingusername7 9y ago
This is the real lesson here. Build yourself into a source of value. If you know how to build an income stream from scratch, you'll never think about money from a scarcity mentality. You don't have to "get rich or die tryin", but you do need to have alternatives to wage slavery.
huge_gap 9y ago
I needed this. Been focused too much on plate gathering and have spent too much money and time doing it. Thanks.
jasonmiles2014 9y ago
Chase money to get women? Sorry, this post is a fail.
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Seriously, it essentially says "stop trying to become a player, try to become a beta bux instead".
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Kiddingyoself 9y ago
Strike the root.
Focus on your happiness. Until you know what that means for you, focus on growth; new experiences, and learning. Be better today than you were yesterday. You guys know the improvement drill better than most. The bottom line is, happiness is true success. Your happiness is "the root".
Happiness requires health & success, which requires growth. Women, and money, and every other reward, will come with them.
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Rusty_Sparx 9y ago
Money in and of itself doesn't necessarily lead to success. Like anything it's how you use it to your advantage.
zephyrprime 9y ago
This is utter bullshit. I've had significantly more money my whole life compared to my social group and it's never done shit to get me women.
Jack_Sophmore 9y ago
I've experienced this as well. How does having money get you women? Unless you really flaunt it by having a huge mansion style home and big fancy cars that might attract them. But if you don't waste your wealth on ostentatious displays of money how does it work?
DocShade 9y ago
Money is just another tool in the tool box. With that said even a little money can make a huge difference depending on where you're at. For example when I was in high school, I would get laid for having a car and the damn thing was a 98 mercury tracer. Money provided me with transportation, a resource most had lacked at that time. With a car and my own money in my wallet to do as I please(within reason) I had appeared thousand times better off.
Obviously now it takes a lot more than just having a car, well, unless you go somewhere they don't have cars.
zephyrprime 9y ago
Even if you waste it on ostentatious displays it still doesn't work well. Plus, it just get's you women that are looking at you as a provider and they won't open their legs unless they get commitment.
It's not that having money is useless, it's just that having game is 100x more useful. Use your money for ostentatious displays like rolexes and pictures of yourself leading the high life on facebook (but you gotta make it not so obvious that you are showing off). Girls are fundamentally superficial creatures so the DISPLAYS and STYLE of wealth are more important than actual wealth. What I just said is critically important to understand. Because they are moved by superficial displays and NOT BY FACTS, guys like Bill Gates who was literally the richest guy on the planet but had ZERO GAME were still not getting pussy (except from smart responsible women who wanted to nest).
Because women are moved by displays rather than reality and they are SHIT AT DETERMINING REALITY, even a guy of modest means can fake looking high status by buying fake rolexes, fake designer clothing, taking pictures in posh locales he only spent 1 hour in, and renting the occasional maserati for a date.
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
Well this sub is about sexual strategy so I would expect nailing women be much of what we talk about. Money can't buy you love or happiness but it can fund a more comfortable expedition to find those things. You don't always need money or even power to get those things out of life. I know poor unambitious alpha men that drown in hot women and it's the girl who is spending all her time and money to keep him happy because what he does provide as a man is worth more to her I guess. Money and success raise your odds/tier but much of those gains are in the form of gold diggers or social ladder climbers that are so fake you swear you will catch whatever has hollowed their souls like a disease. If your dream is to be some rich powerful CEO with a harem of eye candy cool. Have fun but hope that is really your dream and not a ruse hidden in your mind to think that is the only way to get what you really want. You don't have to be a Nice Guy^TM to make a covert contract against yourself.
It is very true that when you are successful and a leader among your peers women naturally are drawn to you because many people will be. I know executives that have money and power but are still powerless to women and even repel gold diggers with their lack of game. Chasing women can be fun distractions but the most interesting women I have had were the ones that appeared out of no where when I was not looking. Invest in yourself and do what you think is right for yourself as you pursue your dreams.
Cyberdellic 9y ago
I lol'd at this
quality overall post, ty
replepok 9y ago
Live like a king or not at all, doesn't apply to anyone.
RedPillAnonymous 9y ago
No woman -- I repeat -- no woman finds a man attractive because he is successful, or wealthy. You are like a job at Goldman Sachs. Shes only excited for the paycheck, the work itself is godawful. Be like a lifeguarding job at a Hawaiian beach resort. Money is shit but work is fun in the sun.