Full article here: http://illimitablemen.com/2014/05/08/the-suffering-of-the-lost-boys/
I've just finished reworking my article on the effects of being raised by single mothers or bitch dads, enjoy!
1.) Introduction:
It is unbecoming of a man to identify as a victim, thus I never encourage men to see themselves in this way. However, a boy raised by a single mother or family with a submissive father has been deprived his birthright. These are the lost boys, the unwitting victims of poor parenting. I label them victims only in the sense they have been done a great disservice, that is not to say this cannot be overcome, but that merely a most deleterious handicap has been conferred on them.
A boy raised by a beta is not taught social dominance, or how to protect himself physically or mentally. He's not shown how to attract women, and chances are he will lack basic yet necessary life skills such as self-discipline. Like the boy of the single mother, he is forced to employ the internet as a surrogate for the father he never had. The need for young men, as well as lost boys who have grown into adult men to be "good at being a man" is dire. To any man masculinity is important, but due to paternal deprivation this need is even greater among lost boys. It is as such that in a time where there is little in the way of support for boys and men, the manosphere has manifest.
Boys need a strong paternal figure in their life, someone to teach them of, and guide them in the ways of men. More importantly, they need someone to shield them from the estrogenic tirades of a struggling mother. A young boy is not fit to adequately handle nor sufficiently cope with an adult woman's emotions, yet in the absence of a strong father this burden as "man of the house" is imposed on a young boy to his developmental detriment. A woman's emotions don't care if her boy is only 7 years old, if she's got to emote, she's going to.
So what happens when, through no fault of his own, said 7-year-old grows into a young 20-year-old who never had the strong paternal figure he needed to become the best version of himself? When due to such poor upbringing, he is clueless in the ways of men, inadequate with women, undisciplined, depression prone and mentally unbalanced? He goes onto his computer, he tells his problems to his therapist, Google, and if the "I'm feeling lucky button" works right, he ends up here.
2.) Father Hunger:
The lost boy is damaged, driven to spiritual dysfunction by excess exposure to estrogen. For a lost boy estrogenic influences are abundant to the point of toxicity, with testosteronic influence but a scant repository oasis-like in its scarcity.
Whether a boy came from a single mother or a weak father, the root and core of his problems as a man are one and the same. In his formative years, he lacked a dominant albeit benevolent masculine role model to guide him. A boy needs a patriarch to teach him the ways of men, and so a woman will not do, for the condition of her existence knows not the male experience.
A woman interacts with men as a woman, a man's behaviour in relation to her is thereby measured in its response to the presence of femininity, how men behave with her is not how they behave with one another. A woman only sees what a man portrays. She does not understand the why or the how, thus she is ignorant to a man's inner-workings. Women only ever see the end product, not what it took to create.
As such, a woman may in her hubris think she understands men, but what she can never know is how to be a man among men. Because she knows not this, nor what it is like to be a man and deal with a woman, her guidance in raising a boy is merely necessary, not sufficient. Boys intuit this and men know this, but because single mothers have been catapulted atop a cultural hero pedestal, nobody dares address the elephant in the room.
Likewise a low-tier man will not do, for he is an inferior version of man, and therefore like a high school physics student holding a symposium on molecular quantum mechanics, ill-equipped to teach much of anything. Some of the boys birthed by single mothers are rescued, an alpha grandfather or uncle raises them as their own, but this is spiritual surgery to what is otherwise an avoidable problem.
The bond between father and son is sacrosanct, for boys take mental nourishment on how to be from their fathers, not their mothers. What single mothers provide their boys is a female model for how to be, and naturally this leads to feminine and broken men, not stable, competent and masculine men.
In spite of what a woman's narcissism may screech - "his father was a jerk, my boy is better off without him!", the reality is that boys want fathers and fathers want sons; it is the gynocentric cultural and legal framework which emancipates them. It is the rights of women to the detriment of men which emancipates them. It is a mother's legal entitlement to her children, where a father has no reciprocal entitlement which emancipates them.
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Federkiel 9y ago
First of all, this post is really good and it feels like my own story. All the comments i read are similiar to my experience. But I think it sounds a little bit like this is a phenomen that occured in the last decades. I mean, in the past, when the divorce rate was lower, maybe there were less lost boys. But think of war, thousands of fatherless children who were raised by their moms. And I think i read in the way of men, that raising kids was always the task of the mom. I see that someone could argument you had maybe more positive male role modells back in the days, but I don´t think it got more worse and we have more lost boys than ever.
On the other hand I have to say that, i was raised by my insecure, hysterical, feminist and bipolar mom and a fucking beta steppdaddy which i have hated since day one. I saw my real father irregular on weekends. Although we had never money problems, I can feel the hole that something is missing in my life, that I was/am always differently than the other boys/men. My mother shamed me often, that i´m the same asshole as my father. I was always insecure and had a lot of anxiety and later thought about suicide, I was never really free of depression. But there is one thing I asked myself that rescued me: "I could kill myself at any time, why shouldn´t I wait, maybe there is something interesting and something good happens in the Future. I have to accept that Life is suffering." I read a lot of from Emil Cioran, he saved my life. There is another thing I am asking myself a lot of times, are the other people really more happy than me, besides is there everlasting happiness? Doesn´t the principle of ying and yang give the others that seem normal the same amount of pain, maybe in another way. Is sex and power really most important when all life is suffering? Is it really bad that I am a lost boy, when we all have to die and life has no meaning? Why couldn´t I just don´t give a fuck, despite of this truths. :) Btw i am goodlooking and no virgin and having a bachelor degree and currently studying master. After i stumbled over trp i try to improve myself including meditation and so on. Although i am a student, i have bad english skills, and maybe this post is confusing. This is my first post here.
nalewacz 9y ago
My story is a little different. My grandfather is red as fuck, also my father is. But both of them were very distant. I would even say harsh. I never felt emotional support from them. They imposed a lot of rules on me, they mocked me. Essentially they crushed my self-esteem. And I become beta.
My point is that the most important factor is absence of healthy male role model. And it doesn't matter if this is physical or emotional absence.
Thank you IllimitableMan for this article. It gives hope and reassurance.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I see what you're saying here. If they're physically absent, then automatically they're going to be emotionally absent. Yet physical presence doesn't mean emotional presence. You can have alpha males around you, but they can be emotionally absent/unavailable and hence other than observations/mimicking their behaviour, you won't get anything from them. You definitely won't bond or have a proper father son/relationship necessary for the child's mental health. A cogent point.
The_Junto 9y ago
This is brilliant. My parents have always been together but I may as well have been raised by a single mother. For me the issue wasn't that my father is a spineless beta, but an aloof, uninvolved alpha of sorts.
Like any man he has beta characteristics but for the most part he is what every father should be (smart, athletic, a successful lawyer) he simply lacked any interest or know how to be an influence in my life. He delegated all parenting authority to my mother and as a result I grew up seeing the world through an incredibly feminized lens. I believe he had good intentions originally but my mother smothered me from the second I was born (I was the first child) and sort of blocked him out of my life.
My childhood always felt like a struggle in which my mother and I were on a "team" together fighting the tyranny of my father when in reality he was probably just trying to keep shit together and didn't have time to deal with my mother's bullshit. I think part of this is due to some of his beta tendencies that have accumulated over a long marriage but for the most part he has always been a man of relatively strong frame. He simply wasn't handed a female roadmap as a young man like everyone here at TRP has. This has resulted in a gradual loss in frame throughout the years.
I believe that it is entirely possible for a strong but busy father figure to be essentially "boxed out" of his child's life by an overbearing mother who elects to see her child as a friend instead of a son.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
Preaching to the converted here. I dont think any red piller doesnt acknowledge the fact that boys need male role models. The problem is that the rest of society doesnt care - its a matriarchy and strong male role models kinda goes against their interests.
And you know what - its not going to change for a very long time. This is because the previous traditional mechanism - a single mother requiring dual incomes to raise the kid has been replaced by child support and generous social assistance programs to keep the kids busy and out of her hair.
The only mechanism for change left is a reactionary one. As increasing numbers of dysfunctional males accumulate, an ever increasing percentage of these will lash out at the society that spawned them. Only when a certain pain point has been reached will the matriarchy see the need for action. Essentially, the early stage of a societal collapse.
Given that no fault divorce is roughly 30-40 years old, we can probably expect another 30 to pass before anything meaningfully positive occurs. So its out of our hands - just take care of yourself and enjoy the show
Mr_Badass 9y ago
This essay has made me angry in a happy manner, it describes my childhood vividly and how I was a lost boy. My father was almost never around emotionally or in spirit even thou we lived in the same house with my mother and siblings. He would get mad whenever I would try to ask him for advice or help. I had to kiss ass to my best friend to learn how to drive. He said if I went to the gym I would break my bones. When I got a job he said I was going to be a wage slave for the rest of my life. Told me I needed to find a nice girl to domesticate me, (his words).. When I tried to dress better he would make fun of me and ask me if I wanted a purse to match my leather jacket. It explains why thought out my life ,(mid-20s), I felt like I needed to find a real father figure. To find how to be masculine since I unconsciously knew he wasn't very masculine. He is out of my life and I am happy I found the red pill years ago. Thank you for this essay.
[deleted] 9y ago
There's a short Danish film about this. It's called Dennis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1zFeHJzS5E
It's 20 minutes long. The physique of the main actor only makes it more cringe-inducing.
[deleted] 9y ago
This hurts to watch, emotional incest at it's fullest.
The guy is just a hollow stature of masculinity. He appears to be the perfect manly Chad but when you touch him he comes crushing down.
If he was remotely adapted, he would use this situation to his advantage.
When he goes back home it's almost as if a slave is coming back to his master. She basically crippled him for life and is happy about it, still being manipulative. He's not searching for a woman but a mother...
The real monster in this short movie is his "mom", disgusting.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Great little film, someone said in the comments it got made into a full length film. Any idea how I could get hold of that? Thanks!
[deleted] 9y ago
This is the short film:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1087798/
The long one is almost certainly this one:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1729226/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D9u23pKDq8
IllimitableMan 9y ago
That's awesome. Thank you very much for your help.
[deleted] 9y ago
You may also enjoy watching this 11 minute long Danish movie in which a Danish boy learns that girls are manipulative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rymuJSE3iSk
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Another brilliant short film. Looks like there's a lot of artistic talent in Denmark!
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narazz 9y ago
idk my dad was an asshole to me all the time and i still turned out a loser 34 year old virgin that can barely hold a part time min wage job lol. if anything him being an asshole to me made me just shut down entirely to him and thus i learned not to talk to anyone else. i still dont blame him at all, though. i made a lot of my own decisions and i think parents can only go so far in controlling their kids before they rebel ageist all they do.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
If I was in your position I would be going straight to a hooker bro.
narazz 9y ago
nah feel like i got to earn it with about 10 more years of self improvement. to me going that route is just an emotionless cheat.
Frigzy 9y ago
"turned out a loser 34 year old virgin"
This is exactly the kind of negative thinking that helped you get where you are now. The only way you're going to turn into someone who's not a loser is by first of all changing the way you think about yourself.
narazz 9y ago
actually wasn't being negative, it's more realistic. a year ago i would just be fapping to porn all day and just ignore issues like that. now i can at least feel a little bad about it and see where im at in life. :)
Frigzy 9y ago
Looks like you're on the right track then, keep it up! :)
Jokerx70 9y ago
Man...this right here after coming home from the gym and laying down reading this after a shower is everything man, thanks we not so lost anymore not with this community, cheers
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CornyHoosier 9y ago
A large amount of us here at TRP are men who were raised by single mothers. There are simply too many off us here for it to be a random anomaly. We are men who have taken the time and had the self-analysis to say, "something is wrong with me. I need to fix this....". Some folks may scoff at that, but it is definitely a minority of people in the world that are willing to admit that they may be who need to change.
It only gets more and more fucked up when you think about it. Children aren't such fools that they can't pick up on the anger that is directly or in-directly pointed towards them. I often heard things like, "Well of course a man did that. - A man made that decision. - A man couldn't do that." ... Now the women that raised me weren't talking about me, but I couldn't help pick up the derision they held for my gender.
AlphaJesus 9y ago
How can it be that reading this comment on a forum declared hateful that I find my life story reflected within?
TRP is labeled hateful cause we are the byproduct of the elephant in the room and no one wants to talk about it because feelings.
We are the Truth with a capital T of what feminism brings about, any ideology that justifies dogma without observable science to back it up; the destruction of its own. In this case the destruction of any real masculinity in a 21st century context of being a masculine male.
It is overwritten and replaced in the name of politically correct bullshit.
El_Serpiente_Roja 9y ago
Check out his site if you haven't, I would put Rollo(The rational male....god damn do I owe that man so much...) and IllimitableMan as some of the best material out there for introspection and improvement from a redpilll perspective. Good luck brother.
[deleted] 9y ago
Definitely. An example of this is the guy who sucks at life due to shitty parenting (Still, respect your elders) but is really good at video games. "My parents never tought me much but at least I'm diamond II at League of Legends."
/rant
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[deleted] 9y ago
"They" = porn and video games, or your parents?
The former? Sure. The latter? Only your dad. He's supposed to be the captain of the relationship, and he either chose poorly, dropped frame, or just didn't prioritize family.
And even if you understand that, if you're blaming vague, indirect factors like the number of parents in the household, you aren't fucking redpill. You're responsible for your own choices regardless of circumstance.
rp_valiant 9y ago
There's a difference between playing the blame game and acknowledging the factors that led to your situation and then seeking to correct it. So much of a man's personality and mindset is constructed in his childhood that it would be wilfully ignorant to ignore the effects of a missing or incompetent father on a man's development. The key differentiator is how one handles this knowledge. You can either work to offset this deficit through self-education and hard work (redpill) or you can lie around on your bed playing xbox and complaining about how daddy wasn't there and mommy never loved you (bluepill). Fact of the matter is, if your dad didn't do his job, that will have a real effect on your life. Your choice is whether to overcome it.
ScarletFever82 9y ago
My mother was a single mother, I had two older half sisters from her first train wreck, then she got knocked up by my dad on a ONS, possibly still married to the first asshole. My parents got together when she started showing, my dad took care of her and her two cucks till the day I was born. From what I'm told, the neighbor guy took my mother to deliver me, and from that day forward my dad was pushed out of the picture. Her and neighbor guy just celebrated 33 years for dating (on my 33rd birthday).
Growing up, I wasn't allowed to express emotions, the youngest in a house of 3 women. If I said or did anything I was accused of being abusive just like her first husband, so of course that turned the cucks on me.
If it wasn't for porn and videogames, I would have probably repressed enough to off myself, I would have taken her with me...
How did I turn out? Well, I'm here... At 31 I married a bitter, entitled, serial cheating single mother of 3, allowed her to push my 10 year old son out of MY house. After two years of marriage, I realized I married my fucking mother, found TRP and filed for D last April, I knew that would be my first step to being the best me.
I've gone MONK, my son has regained his confidence in me, and I am content for once in my life.
oldredpillhardmode 9y ago
This is golden. Unfortunately there are other threads on TRP that is encouraging guys to escalate this situation by refusing to take responsibility for the children they father. Yeah sure, they blame it on the woman and some guys even suggest that the women forces the man to get them pregnant, which baffles my mind. As men we need to either quit getting women pregnant or if you can't abstain or wear a condom ,then for god sakes, at least be a father to your children. Stop the decline of society by raising your sons yourself and stop relying on women to do a mans job.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
90% plus of so called accidental pregnancies are done intentionally by the woman to try and trap the man. We live in 2015 not 1950, there are a multitude of birth control options for women.
I have been in this position, I am a father and I strongly advise refusing to take responsibility. If you don't the woman will use your own kids as hostages. I have experienced this first hand. The only option the man has, is he will fight the woman tooth and nail legally and burn his money before he gives a penny to her. While doing this you will get zero support in general.
Being a single dad, single mother what a brave woman etc. Even when the single mom sits at home on her ass all dad. Single dad who gives a shit.
IDK about the laws in other countries, but where I am if couple is not married the father has zero rights over the child but can be liable for child support. The deck is stacked intentionally.
Single dad goes out dating, everyone goes what a fucking asshole, left his wife now on the prowl for a younger model. This isn't always a bad thing. Single mom goes dating, out you poor thing, how come no one will man up and accept your bastard children. You need a babysitter while you go slutting around ?
I posted before many months back, if faced with a breakup and the man has kids. The only option he has is mutually assured destruction. As in he will use every legal method to screw the woman over and he will legally burn his money before he gives it to her. Ironically after that the woman all of a sudden has no interest in having custody of the kids.
If you don't do that she will make you jump through hoops, and constantly use your own kids as hostages.
oldredpillhardmode 9y ago
I agree with everything you are saying, after the fact. My point is that we all agree women will lie, so why would a man even have sex with a women if you are willing to put 100% of the birth control responsibility on her and you know she will lie. I'm not sure I would get behind my son avoiding all responsibility even if she told him she wanted to get married and was on the pill, etc... because I would have spent many hours schooling him on how women lie and you need to take responsibility for your actions. which means, wear a condom. Trying hard not to be a SJW on this but I do feel strongly that there are just too many kids being brought into the world and raised by single parents and is is taking a huge toll on society. Something has to be done and we know that women aren't going to help the situation at all so it only leaves us men.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
Blue pill thinking here in my opinion.
Who gives a shit about society, look out for number 1. This is the hamster used to keep you inline repeatedly. The guys who run things don't give a shit about society.
One of them told me bluntly, worst comes to worst go make some more kids. The decline of society is actually better for my genes ☺
CornyHoosier 9y ago
I feel that this what made me unknowingly hate women in my Blue Pill days. A young boy can't understand the thought process and sporadic emotions of a fully grown woman, anymore than she can understand the recent testosterone that is coursing through his body making him think and act in ways he doesn't fully understand yet.
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"It's not the father's job to show his son how to attract girls" - My father
I feel like Timmy in that Fairly Odd Parents episode where he's in an alternate universe where his family is wealthy, but his parents pretty much ignore him and give him some money whenever he complains. Pretty much my childhood.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Sounds like your father is an idiot. If not the father's job, whose is it? Exactly. At least you have TRP.
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Eh, in fairness he doesn't have to do any direct teaching, just be a living example.
growingstronk 9y ago
I was born to a RP single mother (widowed, not by choice). She knew the right things to do i.e.. get me into masculine hobbies, teach me about how scary marriage can be. She knew it, but she just couldn't do everything. You can't be the provider and the nurturer at the same time.
She eventually had to drop me out of those hobbies because she was an older woman and coming home after work then having to take me to swimming competitions was exhausting.
She eventually couldn't discipline me. She tried everything. Punish me? I found loopholes. Beat me? I was stronger than her by age 13. She didn't have the heart to go full nuclear and kick me out of the house until I apologized, as that was the only option that she had. Eventually she had to give up on disciplining me altogether.
She got babysitters. I made all 7 of them quit by being a terrible child and voracious asshole.
A single parent cannot properly a raise a kid. A single parent ABSOLUTELY cannot raise a son.
PlanB_pedofile 9y ago
Imagine being raised in a rotating father home. Where the mother rotates through boyfriends and relationships
growingstronk 9y ago
To be fair that was eventually what happened for a while before she gave up, but my mom is impossible to satisfy. Regardless of how well she treated me, she still went about relationships the wrong way in the end.
TRP_Werther 9y ago
My story is basically the same as yours, just that after acting out and failing in school for too long I remembered that my Dad took his faith seriously so I thought that would be a good place to start.
It worked well, I got to college and helped my mum more, so homelife improved.
I knew I needed a masculine figure so I looked to the men/friends around me for guidance, that worked less well because copying somebody's actions without understanding them can be very confusing
Then at the grand old age of 19 I found TRP, good timing too as girl problems were beginning to wear me down.
creepyguy13 9y ago
I like how you put this man. I don't like to read a lot of the material bashing mothers on here because I love my mom. I can empathize with her after reading TRP instead of blaming her for becoming pussified I'm just looking her parenting me from a different point of view and you just stated that point of view perfectly.
billythebeta 9y ago
What's even worse is that in modern families you can have both parental figures who still wind up raising shitty kids because the man refuses to be a man. I'm referring to the manginas who marry high n-count whores, stay at home dads, etc. They just don't raise their sons with the right values, and they come out just as spoiled and bratty as a kid who was raised by a single mom.
BradPill 9y ago
The opposite happens as well: the man trying to be the man of the house, being constantly undermined by his wife. If the man gives in, she turns bitter, as he is not man enough. If she gives in, she might get frowned on by her 'sisters' and family... But then, he can't turn into 'the man' overnight, if he married her as some nice guy (there was a post about that: wife complaining her man tried becoming RP - he responded to it here in TRP - obviously he messed up, as she couldn't grow into it...).
Merica911 9y ago
It's not only important for a fatherless man to be become a red piller but it's a must. The suicide and jail rate for fatherless boys is 500% more than boys with fathers.
I really think men should take the red pill ages 24 and up for the fact that it might be certain situations irrelevant in early in life rather than later from women start to act in hyergamy a lot stronger and a fatherless guy wouldn't understand the reason why girls leave you.. Girls will say, he's to shy, aggressive, childish, player, etc etc etc but the real reason is they looking for a dude with a strong back bone and doesn't take shit from nobody and especially them.
I'm 32 and grew up with out a farther. Life was and still is incredibly hard but at lease with red pill it changed my life for the better. I learned to value myself over any chick, always and forever. But I know now, there's a society of boys growing up without a dad. When I was growing up, I was like the only boy in the block. But now it is so common. The big brother program is overwhelmed and can't take on these fatherless boys.. It's just to many now.. Show me a city where it is common for parents to rise a boy instead of just a mom or grandma.. I feel like the percentage is real high, all time high, and I can only imagine our society 10 to 20 years from now.
StraightGlueWater 9y ago
This may be my favorite post of yours to date, IM.
I was raised largely by my mother, as my father was generally at work trying to advance. My interactions with my father as a kid were largely fear based and occasional tossing of a football or baseball. Not much about being a man.
So my character was largely defined by my mother.
And so I became a lost boy you describe. It wasn't until I was in my 20's that I actually started talking to my father about life and my decisions. But the damage was already done.
It's a recovery process now.
masnera 9y ago
"Like the boy of the single mother, he is forced to employ the internet as a surrogate for the father he never had" this is me, as i have lost both my parents when im 5 years old. And it never failed to provide me with skills that i have been using to feed my own mouth, and as young as i am, i have also noticed a lot of PITFALLS, that's why i thread carefully.
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CynicsChoice 9y ago
It's worse than that. All the problems are interlocking. It's hard to undergo an adventure like that without friends, real friends that you can trust for support. It's hard to make friends with no social skills and nothing interesting to talk about. It's hard to learn social skills when you have no money to go out and your wardrobe is outdated. It's hard to do anything interesting with no money. It's hard to move into a good job to get money when you have no confidence, no valuable skills, and no friends to support you. Etc...
Or if you started off at 30, when you start increasing weight in the gym your game-related RSA injuries and posture issues start acting up...
Or at 40, when serious health problems start coming online...
The longer you're stuck, the deeper the hole gets.
wanderer1976 9y ago
Yet, society continues to create these lost boys. Men that grew up in households where dad was absent because he couldn't make money near home. Homes where men knuckled under to a batshit insane woman because to do otherwise was to see their children completely stripped from them. Homes where the mother knew what she could do to the father with no repercussions in an instant, and made sure he knew so he stayed in his servile role. This is the worst part of the world that feminism has created. This is why I tell men not to get married and always have enough money socked away somewhere to "Fuck Off" before a woman can do something to you.
You are forgetting another subset of these "Lost Boys". These are the ones worse than the gangbangers, who at least find some form of male guidance and even camaraderie. This last group, to put it gently, are the monsters. Their father failed them. Their mothers let them be loaded up on psychoactive drugs and put them in front of a counselor. How many out of this last group have become the worst parts, the spree killers, the serial killers...the ones who not only have no remorse, they have no ability for remorse.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Never had one, was his own fault. step dad was a prick and we almost fought last we talked over twenty years ago.
I wish I understood this perspective, so many seem to. Just used to watch those around me, and made efforts to avoid the mistakes they made.
Battle-Scars 9y ago
Great read and thank you. Nobody talks about this issue, its a never-ending cycle and getting worse. Broken Mommy cant pair bond with a Male that will stick around to raise a healthy Son, Kid grows up scrambled looking for a Mother's love from a broken Wife/GF and presto! no ability to pair bond in a healthy manner with that one either because nobody taught him how to be a Man. This, BTW is one of the reasons cucks are multiplying. Throw in a healthy dose of Fem3.0 and watch how disconnected it gets.
Story time Kids- I know a Woman who works a couple doors down from my office who is 36 (Ugh! they're always 36) she met a guy on Tinder, moved to this City from another State, got pregnant, and low and behold the relationship didn't quite work out. Hmmm... can't imagine why. She has no qualms about raising that kid as a single Mommy right out of the gate, none whatsoever, and thinking that it will turn out just fine. It may or may not, none of my business but talking with her and listening to her entitlement and disconnect from reality is scary. "Poor decisions? not me, I'm an empowered woman!" FFS not even a shred of concern that it may not be the healthiest arrangement for that child growing up. And, this one is a nice to talk to, skinny/yoga attractive woman who could BB up pretty easily as a single woman with no kid, nope not going there, happy with AF straight to single Mommy/child support, unbelievable. BP's may be getting cut out of the equation altogether in the future.
Starting to rant, but Shit! the total lack of concern for the importance of Men in a child's life is completely ignored by Society.
That Redpill needs to be sold in bulk next to the checkout stand at Costco. Stat.
Frigzy 9y ago
Would Blue Pillers actually serve that good of a purpose though?
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This post is what spoke to me and made me finally realize what's wrong with me. It made me realize the connections of why my friends act the way they do and why some seem happier and get more girls while others are hopeless.
It's daunting to finally understand everything. It's angering. I'm angry at my father and everything. Angry at all the things I've noticed since I've started reading and realizing things.
And un-reasonably angry and hard on myself.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
If your mother was a coddler as was your father (or you just didn't have a father around) you're hard on yourself because nobody else is and you know you need it to be who you want to be.
[deleted] 9y ago
That makes sense. I just think I shouldn't be hard on myself to not being able to get over my anxiety immediately. Though what you said really rings a bell.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I'm not sure if you read it, but this article really hammers home the point you're getting at:
http://illimitablemen.com/2015/10/22/how-to-be-happy/
Small steps mate.
[deleted] 9y ago
I have read it. But thanks reminds me about the good side of the Red Pill when the front page seems to be sometimes filled with angry things.
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NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
The more established Red Pill posters will typically go down some tangent that relates to a specific question and it's largely assumed that all the "basics" are well known.
However, I doubt many of our readers have read more that 10% of the sidebar. (there is a lot there and I don't profess to know all of it either)
This article represents an extremely good first introduction.
If a new member were to ask "where do I start" this would make a good reference.
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antariusz 9y ago
That is one thing that married red pill has better than TRP,
Virtually every guy coming into the sub is drilled to read NMMNG, WISNIFG, and (I feel most importantly) MMSLP.vit helps that it is a much smaller sub.
No offense to Rollo, but the rational male year one, while being a great selection of some of his best blog posts... Reads like a selection of blog posts instead of a coherent book, rational male volume 2 does a slightly better job.
But I think because TRP doesn't have a "focus" like MRP (improve your marriage through dread and higher SMV), you can't as easily define TRP for beginners, because ultimately it's just sexual strategy discussion, and so many guys have too many different goals.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
Beginners want a magic formula for quick success.
It's always:
"What is the least I need to know to get girls."
Ultimately the path of Red Pill leads to much bigger issues about the nature of Game and how the molding of reality and perception are deep concepts that relate to larger issues. The Blue Pill is a top down emotional indoctrination machine designed to brainwash us.
The beginner doesn't make the realization that the Game we teach is the same Game being applied to them through brainwashing.
When the Red Pill sinks in deeply one really becomes a man who goes his own way and actually creates.
All creation, all creativity, is Red Pill because the Blue Pill is simply absorbed by all the brainwashing techniques in use. Modern technology has advanced this emotional indoctrination to levels never seen in history.
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freudianSLAP 9y ago
Aside from NMMNG what do the acronyms stand for?
tallwheel 9y ago
My dad has quite a few alpha traits, but he raised his sons beta. Parents, wanting to give their children a 'better life' often shield their children from the harshness of the world, and end up spoiling the hell out of their kids and raising them without a spine.
So it's not even just single mom's and betas raising betas. Alphas sometimes do it too.
Elfclan30 9y ago
Love your blog. I consider myself a lost boy. No dad, single mother working almost the whole day and living with a complicated grandmother. Her son(my uncle) is now 50 and is still living here with his mom, never had a gf or even a casual relationship(and he's the closest thing I've ever had to a father) you don't want to see his retarded behavior.
At least I pressed the " I'm feeling lucky" button.
[deleted] 9y ago
Care to describe your uncle a little bit more? Is he actually mentally retarded? Or just socially clueless?
Elfclan30 9y ago
To be honest..I think he is both. His father? for what I am told, he was alpha as fuck(he passed away when my mom was pregnant of me), he was super socially smart, when he died a lot of people came to his funeral.
Now, have you ever seen those posts where you think ¨wow, this is next level, I want to be like that¨imagine those guys are Neo, super redpill guys. Smith is opposite, right? thats my uncle. None respects him, he was never respected in his job or here in ¨the hood¨ no matter the age, some days ago there were around 4 kids no more than 10 yo just saying bad things to him in front of the house. I was mocked just for being his relative(thats how I know I have improved, since I am now respected)
What does he do? he has like a rutine. We have assigned plates for eating, but everyday in my 20 years of life he has to ask what is his while everybody else takes their respective plate. Since he is sexually frustrated he sometimes asks his mom and mine if he should pay a prostitute(the problem is that he is no joking or something he is asking for an opinion for real), lol. ¨those women will only take your money¨grandma always says.
since I have memory he has been in love with the woman in the next door, she is super scared of him. He doesnt know how to whistle but he does it when he sees her. when that woman brings a man to HER house, my uncle goes and starts to complain with her about why that man and not him. Sad.
Iknew something was wrong with me, I didnt feel manly enough. I told my mom when I was 16 yo that I wanted to check my testosterone levels since I was feeling femenine. She didnt pay attention, so here I am. trying to fix myself.
I have a little brother, he has a beta-like attitude and I dont know what happened with mom, she changed for good. She doesnt want him to watch disney or princess things while I watched the whole colection of disney when I was his age. Nice. I try to guide him. teaching him how to gain respect and those things that men do; I hope it works.
[deleted] 9y ago
When you say "the hood", do you live in housing projects? what's your demographic/ethnicity like?
From what I understand, growing up around working class poverty (White guy.. Very diverse neighborhood mostly of white east european immigrants, homeland white trash, hispanics, and blacks).. Beta males get shit on and take shit in this environment way more than middle class / upper middle class.
Do you think that your uncle might have some undiagnosed anxiety disorder, depression, or social issues (mild aspergers / autism?). I'm just getting that vibe when you talk about your uncle, and after you mentioned "the hood", I know that stuff is often overlooked / undiagnosed in those areas due to money issues.
I know that if I was taken to a shrink as a kid, I would probably have been diagnosed with something. I suffered from pretty bad depression as a kid, suicidal thoughts occurred fairly frequently and I grew up in a toxic household (alcoholic single mom, father was in and out of jail in my youth).
It's really sad too because when kids are told to "toughen up" in these conditions (not necessarily a bad thing) they gravitate toward the more "alpha" behaviors of older kids who start to get involved with drugs, gangs, etc.. A lot of these kids have anger from no masculine direction in their life, so they project violence and tribal order (gangs) to fill that order.
In wealthier areas, kids are given masculine leadership from their fathers whether it be beta-bux tendencies or an alpha who runs his own construction company and makes his son(s) come to work with him at 12 years old to show them how men in the family get shit done. There are also other alternatives (that work out well for fatherless children or just plain busy dads) such as school/little league sports, boy scouts, after school clubs, and neighborhoods that are relatively safe-havens where kids don't have to worry about kids in a gang who might jump them for not joining up, easy access to drugs and alcohol etc..
A lot of the reason why working class/poor boys and young men aren't involved in these activities are due to careless parents and $$$.
Likewise, 1st generation children also sometimes suffer from lack of male guidance. One of my best friends is Muslim, but he's pretty Americanized. His dad is from Yemen. Throughout this kid's childhood he wasn't allowed to socialize with other American kids and wasn't allowed to go to sleepovers, play sports, or really do anything social that wasn't Muslim related. Being 1st generation east Euro in America, we shared stories of overbearing foreign parents a lot and how fucking annoying it was because they just didn't get the culture here. I guess you can't expect all parents to be 100% perfect in raising children, but these factors really hold young men back a lot in their development.
Elfclan30 9y ago
Definitely he has something wrong in his mind. I am(and still living) from Dominican Republic( so I am not black, but not exactly white) . We are middle class and when I was a kid I was sent to those activities. I practiced Shotokan Karate Do for 10 years and used to go to summer camps.
We could have been even millionaires and due to the ignorance and lack of consciousness on the topic I don't think he would have been taken to the psychology or something. I would define my family as an unorganized middle class(if my mom had the guts she could have been really wealthy). The area we live in is not precisely a hood, it is small and there aren't dangers like in a real hood( except that if you're a kid less than 15 yo and are beta you will have a tough time). So you can say it is a wannabe-like-hood. We live here because of my grand mother. My mom was risen here and she stayed "to take care of her mom" so here we are.
HS-Thompson 9y ago
Everyone reading this should consider themselves very lucky to be here. My small problem was that they didn't invent the World Wide Web until well after I graduated high school. It's a level of isolation that won't really ever exist again in the developed world. I know a lot of "lost boys" of my generation.
Great post.
cocaine_face 9y ago
I feel particularly bad for your generation. In between the last generation raised by strong nuclear families, and before the internet started to make an impact.
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
God this was a punch in the gut to read again. Almost as bad as the first time I read No More Mr. Nice Guy and the pain haunts me to this day. Long story short dad knocked up the daughter of a judge who expedited my parents divorce so he could marry his prego daughter to save face in his social circle or there would be shotgun funerals/weddings or so I am told. He gave my mom everything the house, cars, cashed out his retirement to buy mom off, and signed me over to be adopted by whomever my mom remarried. My 5th b-day was the last time I ever saw him, after 35 years I don't ever remember his face or care to. Mom never said anything bad about him and mentioned more than once it was unfortunate I never got to know him growing up. I think out of some guilt she heavily coddled me but also raised me with the help of the church into a good citizen but not a good man. I was raised to never be like him, hell it was a sin akin to taking the lords name on vain to even make a girl cry. There was also an incident in the 3rd grade with a mud puddle and a girl that landed me in bonehead classes and outpatient counseling for 3 years to teach me how bad I was to women and had to be fixed. I learned the definition of misogyny sexism, and rape before I knoew what sex was. By HS I was terrified of women. If you ever watched The Clockwork Orange I was programmed to be passive like the MC in the end, helpless, a wolf with his fangs torn out left in the wild to die but my only crime was existing or so it felt at the time.
Raised by my mom and big sister primarily I certainly think like a woman sometimes because girls mention it's uncanny I understand them so well and some thought I was gay in HS. I tired to think not having a dad was a big deal but it affected everything: work, friends, dating. I finally started to rewire my shit around 30 after nearly getting married to a feminist and her kid I met in college who pushed me for too much too fast and I suddenly said no to her and broke off the engagement. Ironically in her anger she fed me a red pill and laid out exactly how I was being manipulated by my mother and she was the next to hear the word no from me after shaming me for breaking up with a ready made family(puke). Porn star prostitutes in Nevada were un-enjoyable experiences when I tried that back then. After dating in vain some realizing all women who would even give me the time of day were just using/abusing me I went monk and swore off women and spent the majority of my 30s deprogramming and getting my life together. At 40 I feel like I am where I should have been at 20, it's hard. I almost killed myself more than once growing up but did not even have the guts to that for myself. The only saving grace is I have a good job, a baby face, and low but hard miles on the body so everyone guesses I am 30 instead of 40. Even when I went the self destructive rock and roll drug party lifestyle I still was playing to passively. I had learned much of what TRP teaches the hard way but in a place of angst but TRP has helped me understand the how and why. I have let go of my anger because I knew what Elliot Rodgers felt and thought and could not go out like that. I refuse to lose and death will have to come for me himself to stop me. I can not change the past only work for whatever future I have left. I have no desire for a wife or kids. As I fix my life more women come around trying to lock me down as I am not bad looking and have a good job. The temptation to fall back into old habits is tough sometimes because after so long it becomes reflex. I'm just going to get a vasectomy (mom really hated that idea when I told her =p ) and have fun doing whatever I want for a change and the world can go fuck itself and burn while I roast marshmallows smiling over their ashes.
animalpoo 9y ago
Appreciate the insight. I had the weak Dad, and overbearing/protective mother.
I'd also add a common thing with overbearing mothers is they think they can advise from their childhood point of reference. "when I was your age, I'd do this\ I would never do that". Leading for masculine traits to be selected out and feminine "survival" traits selected for.
Once Lost boys reach schools they will trial and error a few things from a weak foundation. Boys with stronger foundations will challenge them (as is natural) and the lost boys will retract to safety and comfort. Loosing out on that much needed experience.
It's very much like a crooked sapling trying to reach the sunlight next to an oak tree stealing all the light.the sapling can reach the sun but it's got to bend and twist and arrives at it at a much later time than the oak tree.
[deleted] 9y ago
The sapling analogy. Just wow.
[deleted] 9y ago
Wow. That's so on the spot, I don't know what to say. My only saving grace was having an actually kinda RP dad. Only my step-dad was ultra-weak. If only my dad didn't go the "I'm too scared to get actually involved in my kids life" route....
[deleted] 9y ago
This sounds like my roommate. Dude's a complete slob omega male type of guy. He's nice enough but tends to be a jerk sometimes mostly because he's an idiot.. Anyway..
This guy never leaves the room for anything other than work, class, and to work on projects. He watches obnoxious videos on youtube about atheism and soft-dick apologist PC political bullshit.
Sometimes he even sparks up conversations with me about this political crap, and if your conception does not fit into his narrative (bernie sanders is the second coming of christ and m'atheism! I'm oppressed!) then he's "offended" and he'll find some non-sensical backward way to attach some bigotry to your perspective in order to ridicule you.
His mom calls him on his phone every morning to wake him up, yet he still can't manage to get out of bed until 1pm.
He's been dropped from 2 or 3 of his classes JUST for being late (due to oversleeping) and not making role call on time.
Eats like absolute shit, incel/virgin at 21, literally has no hobbies other than watching movies and gaming.
Recently, I met roomate's mother. She's a total overbearing land whale single mom. The whole time she was here, she was nagging at the roommate IN FRONT OF ME calling him a slob, this, or that.. She then asked me a few questions "What do you study?" etc.. To which she kind of scoffed (I take my studies very seriously and do pretty well in school, not that she cares).
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make with this is this fucking bitch who is my roomate's mother probably makes my roommate feel like shit about himself with the constant nagging.. Especially when there's humiliation involved (nagging at him in front of me) It's probably also instilling some negative psychological response in his head that makes him NOT want to clean.
This is what happens when young men have no masculine leadership roles, or when said "masculine behavior" is demonized by post-wall hag single moms as "wrong".
jace81 9y ago
Nah thats just what happens when losers breed.
[deleted] 9y ago
"Especially when there's humiliation involved (nagging at him in front of me) It's probably also instilling some negative psychological response in his head that makes him NOT want to clean."
You hit the nail on the head with this observation.
babayega 9y ago
Coming from a Soviet background, where women actually worked side by side with men at factories instead of bitching on forums, my mom was not damaged by feminism. She was extremely damaged by other things however, among which was my father getting killed, I was less than 10 years old back then, old enough to understand what was happening, young enough for my underdeveloped psyche to not be able to cope. I can relate to a lot of things said here. I wanted to make a longer post about my journey, but it's difficult to articulate. All I can say is that I am about to turn 30 and I finally feel like I'm putting the pieces of my life back together and for the first time in a long time, I actually kinda wanna live.
[deleted] 9y ago
I submit they're not lost. Rather they are exactly where society wants them to be.
Masculinity today is either outlawed or under social attack to the point it may as well be. Are you a productive law abiding man without a wife? Then you're an immature sexist turd , etcetera and so on.
Being an honest no-shit man today is like being a Christian in downtown Mecca. The man in name only specimen is exactly what the predominant Matriarchy wants; an army of sacrificial drone bees engineered from birth to serve the Feminine agenda, on pain of death if necessary.
This is the meta reason why women are so entitled today. As far as the female gestalt is concerned there is no "her" and "you". There is her. And her shit you just so happen to be undeservedly in control of.
By luck and hard work, some guys manage to dodge the scam and see what time it is. Congrats, you've earned Alpha status and with it a moderate exemption from the rules of the Matriarchy. As time goes on that will happen less and less.
If what I see in college today is any sign, we may be the last generation of real men for a good while. I feel for those of us with sons. They're gonna be the ones living like Winston in 1984, with Rollo Tomassi as Emmanuel Goldstein.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Perhaps ironically I dodged the scam through being steeped in feminism from birth.
When I started having contact with women and dating them, I found out just how highly they regarded this ideal of "equality". That they failed their own pretend-ideology so frequently led me to be extremely suspicious of their motives and behaviour, being increasingly commitment-averse and finally culminating in finding all you reprobates.
cocaine_face 9y ago
Yeah, I had massive cognitive dissonance here too, which only accelerated after I discovered PUA.
If you're strongly feminist, and you have a strong experimental mindset when it comes to dating, you're going to quickly realize that 2 and 2 don't add up.
jimjackjoe 9y ago
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? Are you referring to the politically-correct, feminist bent that pervades colleges? Or are you talking about the way young males act in colleges? Because, while I know colleges are awash in feminism, it still seems like most college guys are normal frat-type guys who just want to have sex with as many women as possible and think feminism is bullshit. Maybe if you sit in on a lit class or something, there will be more BP guys or reddit-type guys, but most college guys are not like that, from my experience. They're mostly typical bros.
Cyralea 9y ago
Humans are incredibly malleable in adolescence. A child raised by religious parents adopts the same religion. A child with Neo-Nazi parents develops white nationalist attitudes. A child raised by a shitty, failure of a human being -- a single mother -- will similarly raise weak, unprepared children.
When one realizes how much of a child's entire life is decided by the attitude and demeanor of his parents, one can't help but think it isn't some form of abuse to raise a child to be woefully unprepared for the challenges he's going to experience. To raise him in such a way that he will suffer greatly before he finds happiness (if he finds it at all) is remarkably cruel.
It's fortunate that in this society the internet exists to remedy some of the damage caused by the feminization of men. Can't imagine what it would have been like without the manosphere as a resource.
BradPill 9y ago
That is why I'm not in favor of same-sex couples raising children (either their own or adopted). One gender is missing (no matter how different or 'compensating' both parents are) but a child needs both influences. And no, cute SJW's, it's not about "love" - I'm sure gay couples love their kids (often even more so than parents in broken families etc.). Still, it is about that natural balance - giving kids the best opportunities in life from day one.
We are going to see more and more pussified boys because of all the changes to the 'traditional family'.
[deleted] 9y ago
Self-made single "moms" create hell for their sons and throw them right in it. It's even worse when they're narcissistic.
My mom was actively isolating me(using emotional blackmail) from friends and normal relations with people which stayed with me for a long time. This fucked me up in the head really good.
To be fair "dad" did not care and just went off to be a cuckold for some bitch that used him.
Thanks to this insinght I was able to see the hell around me and a way out.
Exogyra_Ponderosa 9y ago
I discovered RP at 18. Only now am I beginning to realize how far behind I am in terms of a masculine identity. A weak father and an overbearing mother did little to foster the skills I need to survive in the real world. It's going to be harder for me but I'm gonna rise to the challenge.
GodsGreatestLift 9y ago
You're well ahead of the curve. Imagine how many men are raised by single mothers (myself included) or poor fathers. Many of us always felt something was off but couldn't put our finger on it and talking about it with others risked ostracism. Most of us, like myself, likely didn't put it together or find TRP until well in our mid to late 20's.
Look at it as if it's a scientific theory you've discovered -- no matter how long it took you to prove it you'd see it as a tremendous personal breakthrough and treasure it. And given our nature and lack of true biological clock, you have many years to utilize your newly gained knowledge and experience.
beginner_ 9y ago
Also fits for me. Superficially I come from a very good house-hold. Normal family, upper-middle class, no divorce or other stuff like that. But my father is a complete beta. There isn't much more to stay. I can't think of much he did with my brother and me. Learn to ride a bike and skiing. But that's about it. Any other sports (soccer, hockey, etc) was learn with peers. Can't remember any father-son thing we did. That's why I suck at many things considered manly like "handy-work" and stuff. Suck = I just never learned so I'm catching up a bit lately, on my own.
looking back I suffered from anxiety already as a kid and it only got worse with puberty. My parents way of "telling" me to do something was to give me an electric shaver as Christmas present. However actually using it was left up to me or "learn" to shave normally. One would assume the father grabs his son and shows how to do it. You wouldn't give your daughter tampons for Christmas would you?
[deleted] 9y ago
Are you fucking kidding me?
This describes me down to a T. I just never could put my finger on it. Why I never wanted better for myself. My mom 'left' my Dad when I was 5. He was away at work and this woman just took all his shit and his 3 kids. Went and moved to a whole different state. Ever since that day I haven't stopped sucking on my moms titty hole.
The craziest part is my older brother started "acting like his father", so she tried to send him away to live with my dad.
I mean this woman would talk shit about this man any chance she would get.
Kitchen was dirty?
"YOU GUYS ARE EXACTLY LIKE YOUR FATHER, SO ABUSIVE"
Talk Back?
"YOU GUYS ARE EXACTLY LIKE YOUR FATHER, SO ABUSIVE"
Didn't bring her fatass food from wherever you went?
"YOU GUYS ARE EXACTLY LIKE YOUR FATHER, SO ABUSIVE"
This is what I've been struggling with so much since I entered High School.(I'm in college now) I have had no idea what the fuck I want with my life. I know I want to be rich. How? No fucking clue. What do I like? No fucking clue. I locked myself in my room in high school and masturbated and played video games. The second I was out of school, I scurried the fuck home to lock myself in my room. And the having no social skills and the crippling anxiety is fucking true. First time I stepped into the gym at 1-2am there was like 2 other people there. I still couldn't manage to get through 1 set without being scared of being judged.
Jesus Christ. I found TRP 10 months ago, and I won't lie I've had the hardest time swallowing it. Not because of the material. Just the lack of experience. I mean I should be angry as fuck, I know that's a phase, but I have had no experience with women prior to this. I'm more angry at the fact that I have friends who are telling me "they don't like the new me" I dropped 40 pounds? Gained a good amount of muscle that it's noticeable. I honestly had no fucking idea I was attractive until I started working out and giving a fuck about how I look. The SAME fucking kid I spent 10+ hours with helping him through an anxiety attack after I found TRP is telling me "I don't like the new you."
I've been cheating the idea of monk mode recently, so thanks for this boost. I picked up the book No More Mr. Nice Guy, shit is a gold mine. It's pretty much this post, just dragged out. I'm going to finish reading it anyway. Any other "Lost Boys" out there should read it too. Books are fucking amazing, so thanks for the list. It's amazing how much TRP does for young men, yet gets condemned. Fuck people man. Just do you.
Im always looking for advice or mentoring of any sort seriously ill take. I'm really trying to better myself. One of my problems right now is trying not to overthink small shit. And when I fall off the horse such as I cheated on a diet or skipped a gym day, I snowball and lose all sorts of motivation.
Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 9y ago
The best advice I can give you about not knowing what to do with your life is changing the way you look at your future, at least for now.
In his book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00COOFBA4?ie=UTF8&redirectFromSS=1&pc_redir=T1&noEncodingTag=1&fp=1
Scott talks about how he found success, not by being a goal-oriented person, but by being a systems oriented person. Even though having goal is a good thing, setting up specific goals for yourself can be very limiting. If you live your life by using systems, you give yourself more avenues and opportunities to become more successful.
A great example of this is instead of setting a goal for yourself to "lose x amount of pounds in x amount of time" you instead focus on setting up a system of continuous exercise, good diet, and good lifestyle habits. Eventually success will come to you because you instead focused on the system, not the goal. Good coaches don't focus on winning the title at the end of the season. Good coaches focus on winning each game at a time.
Focus on good mental and physical habits. Form good habits with your money. At your age it is hard trying to figure out exactly where you want to be in 10 years. It is much easier to figure out how to be the best you can be at this moment in time. Eventually you will have built up yourself to a point where you will be prepared for the opportunities that might come your way in the future. Focus on the process not the outcome.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
You should ask your mother to describe the abuse sometime. 9/10 times the "abuse" is the man not putting up with shit from the woman.
[deleted] 9y ago
What an ungrateful little shit. If somebody does something to help you out, return the favour.
askmrcia 9y ago
Its honestly scary how your comment describes my life to a T. It's like me and you are the same person in alternate universes. Literally everything you stated happened to me. I have nothing to add. I'm reading your comment like "damn is this me from some alternate reality writing on reddit?"
"You're like your father" ughhhh that just pissed me off
The worst thing my mom did though was when I had no no prom date. She said she'll take me to GameStop to buy an XBOX 360 since she didn't pay for any prom expenses. We get there and she tells the clerk that the reason she bought me an Xbox is because I didn't go to prom. Hated her since then and that was 8 years ago. I felt humiliated to the extreme. It got worse when she told everyone in my family that.
Mr_Badass 9y ago
This is my mother's go to insult when I do something she doesn't like, especially when i keep frame and she is getting emotional. She would tell me that I need to be a gentleman and nice. "You need to learn how to cook meals and how to clean the house in case your future wife is lazy." Her explanation was that she was my mother, gave birth to me, knows what is best for me. When I would go to her friends house she would brag to her friends that she was trying to train me to be a gentleman.
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BradPill 9y ago
Start telling her she is just like her mother. That might hit home.
SlowWing 9y ago
You probably know it already but this sounds like clinical narcissism.
Mr_Badass 9y ago
"Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun, selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity."
[deleted] 9y ago
That is the fucking worst.
This is exactly what the fuck my mom does. It's terrible. I caught on early and then stopped telling her shit. Then she's like "why do you feel like you can't tell me things" or something along those lines, so then I'm like shit I should be nicer to her. And then when I open up, she just uses it against me later on. She told my brother when he was 13, to his face "fuck the day you were born."
Two weeks ago she was talking with my sister. Telling her she needs a man who will kiss her feet... She needs to secure a man early on. I guess women who hit the wall try to warn their kids about it subtly. It's crazy how conniving, manipulative, heartless your own mother can be, imagine a woman who isn't even related to you. Shit is ridiculous.
LicksMackenzie 9y ago
same here. I tell my mother as little as possible about anything and everything because she will later use it against me
larrythetomato 9y ago
Wow that hit home so hard. I'm getting that feeling (it has always been there lurking) that this is the cause of pretty much all my failed relationships. In my case an inability to open up to anybody, not just females, barring a small handful of close male friends.
The most insidious part of this arrangement is the infrequent sprinklings of unconditional love. If it was only hate and emotional abuse, you would be able to easily cut off the connection, but as your only possible source of female unconditional love, you are emotionally bound to it. Like a puppy abused by its provider, you are stuck.
freudianSLAP 9y ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that its not your inability to open up to people that made your relationships fail. Being more open does not make relationships more successful.
Something else is going on. Follow me on a little deductive trip:
If you are afraid to be open, it means you fear the potential pain of rejection after revealing your "true self". Which in turn means that you don't hold your self in high regard. Because if you did hold yourself in high esteem it wouldn't matter if they stuck around or not, you're going to be awesome whether they are there or not.
So, what you have identified (an unwillingness to open up) is actually not the problem in your relationships. Rather it is the symptom of low self esteem, which in turn is the catalyst for a variety of behaviors that have a greater negative effect on your relationships.
neptunesbeard 9y ago
Holy shit. Never looked at it that way.....
BradPill 9y ago
True - it is just self-degradation (but in their eyes, self-preservation) - self-fulfilling prophecy. Always remember, they will hit on the softest target of the group - just don't be soft.
Cyralea 9y ago
I'd confidently say that describes more than a few people here. The lack of success with women growing up leads you to believe you're simply unattractive physically. No one tells you it's mostly behavioural, nor which behaviours are unattractive.
I have a memory burned in my brain from my teenage years, of a female friend saying "Cyralea, you're a great guy, but you're not you're not the kind of guy girl's date". To think that it was possible to date women, much less multiple at the same time, was unthinkable to my younger self.
Stay the course, I guarantee you good times are ahead.
cocaine_face 9y ago
I was raised without a father at all. Never met him. My mother was narcissistic, crazy and irresponsible. The closest male figure in my life was an extremely beta uncle. The man orbited a post wall redneck single mother for 15 years and never slept with her. That was my training in masculinity.
I remember thinking that I was worthless next to the girls I wanted to date, that I would do anything for them, and if they wanted to discard me, well, that was fine, because I wanted to do anything I could for them.
I remember losing girls to guys I felt I was objectively better than (one guy was 35, lived with his parents, and worked in a big box store for minimum wage. I was working as an engineer at a tech start-up) and it just breaking me because I couldn't understand why they'd go off with a loser when it was clear I was ambitious and angling for a bright future.
Nothing made sense. Anyone I asked for advice gave me the same platitudes, "Well not everyone is meant to be". But it happened all the time, always the same way.
And then a girl did a Very Bad Thing to me, and my eyes opened. Sadly it took until I was 26 before it did, and in the four years since, I've changed entirely. I am more masculine, more driven. I have even more solid career goals (with an eye towards exiting being an employee some day) and I stay relatively on point. I am dating multiple girls at the same time, and they enter and leave my life pretty much at my desire.
The difference is absolutely astounding. I just wish I hadn't wasted those 8 years between turning 18 and turning 26. Hell, even before that. So much time wasted. If I knew of TRP at 18, I don't think I'd be the wage slave I am at 30.
Cyralea 9y ago
It's funny, 26 was around the time I had my RP awakening as well, more or less for the same reasons. That was close to a decade ago, I would have killed for TRP back then. Perhaps it ought not to be surprising that it takes some combination of experience and setback to properly open ones eyes.
PandaMania3 9y ago
I feel like the you back in 26 now. Tryng to instill the self discipline which I always falter off too easily isn't easy with a single mom who just can't seem to understand how much of an interruption she is.
Trying to swallow the truth is easy, I've been hurt badly not just by girls but also my own Female family members. The only issue is the self discipline which slips off non stop.
cocaine_face 9y ago
Self discipline takes practice to build up. Start working on a project you want to see completed. I really find that realizing that with sufficient effort, you can make something really helps men get in the mindset of self discipline and creating things.
I wrote a children's book on evolution, made several programs in my spare time for work to make my time and others more efficient, and went out a lot to hit on girls - to the point it was boring. When going out and flirting with girls gets boring, FYI, you have a faux DGAF attitude - very useful for someone who is new at it. Weight lifting is also an amazing experience too, and really rapid. You start a good powerlifting program and you can be stronger than most men in less than a year. I hurt my shoulder and haven't been able to lift often in almost a year, and I'm still significantly stronger than I was before starting.
You need to start standing up to your mother. Don't necessarily argue with her (as Putin said, there's not really a point to argue with a woman), but look at the stuff on how to deal with shit tests (your mother certainly shit tests you), and other female behaviors. If you're dependent on her - figure out a way to not be dependent on her.
Think of this as a way to build up your frame (if you don't know what frame is - read about it - it's one of the most basic and core concepts). A strong frame is one of the best things in life. It's like a strong core that nobody can ever take from you - if you know who you are and what you want, it is virtually unassailable.
Let the chickens squawk. You're doing you.
PandaMania3 9y ago
This, I'll look into this. Currently I'm planning a Survival Game with my bros in an overseas country next year. I'm handling the program part and budget recommendations to my friends. Also planning to restart my photography hobby as well.
I have a faux DGAF attitude now, to me it's not just to girls. To anyone whom is not exchanging value to me for my time I just let them know I'm going to do other stuff instead. I hurt my back trying to break a squart PR and had took a 6 mths break since. This is the harsest part to repick up as schedule and where I'm staying kept changing. i only just signed up with a gym nearby but trying to schedule out an optimal time to go isn't effective yet due to extra workload.
This is something I'm working on, i stop arguing with her when TRP knowledge kicked in on several aspects (Not to be gaslighted) and have different ways of handling her irresponsibility plus utter absurd request.
It's difficult in my country and culture to just break away from home, when a schism occured early this year landed me having to take care of her due to my sister and her husband chasing us out.
It's also a daily practice session on handling shit test whenever she feels like it. True enough when you established frame, Woman will try to buy your favor. It's weird but I'm trying to get used to it.
Thanks for the pointers. I have to remind myself that rome isn't build in one day, but procrastinating isn't going to move the bricks.
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1v1mebruh 9y ago
Everyone makes this realization (that they have to work harder to overcome their own personal deficiencies) at some point in their life, so don't be sad in that regard. Be thankful that you still have time left to turn your life around and implement the things you are learning. Your life will become amazing, but I'm sure you already know this, so I digress.
The point I want to make is that your bitterness, however just and warranted it may be, will only hold you back and make your path to a fulfilling life lengthier and more arduous. Think of your bitterness as a sunk cost. If you are unfamiliar with the economic concept of sunk cost, google it and you'll understand what I'm getting at.
NaughtyFred 9y ago
As one of them I have done (so far)
Became a teenage thief (shoplifting)
Videogames and porn (would love to kick porn)
Lifting.
2 years of martial arts training
1 year of Army reserves
5 years hanging out with criminals
Any act of rebellion or anti-socialness that had no long term consequences. (self-destructive and total stupidity are 2 different things)
Number 6.
Coincidental that you mention dark triad in the article, as although I have moral objections to it's nature I do think it's techniques would offer me the most effective "protection" against all the female (and male) machinations...so I'm on the fence.
Good article as always.
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MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
In her solipsism, she will always be biased towards the feminine, even at her son's expense. It is a rare mother indeed who will advise her sons to "seek out a mentality of abundance, lest you give too much to one woman and she betrays your best interests for her own".
Interestingly and tellingly daughters also benefit from a strong father figure. There is also a generation of lost girls as there is a generation of lost boys. And the cause is the same - weak or misled or absent (often forcibly absent) father figures. Fathers will advise their daughters on approximately the correct attitude towards men (in the daughter's best interest, not the potential boyfriends). Mothers will advise their sons to prioritise the girl. Such is the completeness of her solipsism, that it goes against the best interests of her offspring.
That a woman could ever, ever use a child in a weapon against her ex says everything we need to know about their level of responsibility and priorities.
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A woman in her hubris WILL not may think she understands men.
Otherwise, nothing else to be said but that this another masterpiece.
Thank you
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I looked for your typo (I like to be hot on fixing overlooked shit) but actually can't find it, the excerpt:
Reads fine to me.
You're welcome.