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When it comes to seeking long-term romance or companionship, there is a segment of decent men who - through a combination of loneliness and frustration over the dating market - think that they might have a better chance at dating single moms than single women. I was of this mindset many years back as single moms appeared to have a greater interest in me, especially after they learned I had a career in STEM.

I've also noticed there are dating profiles of single moms tailored to trigger men's provider nature, leading susceptible men to assume that "saving" these women would result in passionate, appreciative sex on her part. I'm here to share with these men the true intentions of single moms so that they think twice about committing to them:

A single mom who brings young children to the dating market is looking for a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability. That is her #1 priority.

She's not looking for romance or affection. She's looking for a man to help change those diapers, bring the kids to school and doctor's appointments, help with the dishes and clean up after them, and ultimately give her a break from managing them all the time. And she will expect him to use his resources to provide for their needs. Here's one example of the life of the average single mom with young children. Those aren't the words of a woman looking for romance; they're the words of a woman looking for help. White knights who pity single moms will feel compelled to rescue them while also expecting enthusiastic sex in exchange, when it's more likely they'll end up in a dead bedroom.

 

"My children are my world. My children come first."

Browse the dating profiles of single moms, and eventually you will encounter the statements "My children are my world" or "My children come first". When a woman says these words, it means that her children takes precedence over the man in the relationship. On the surface this seems reasonable as single moms often claim they're busy with both kids and work so they can't always be available for dating.

But when you take into account that women have a different set of standards for men they want to provide for them versus men they want to fuck them, then it's revealed that the root of "My children come first" goes way beyond her availability for dating. To understand the root we must first understand the problems that spring from it:

  • The first problem is that the single mom will be neglectful of the needs of her partner. Newly single moms learn to their dismay that most men have no interest in committing to a woman with kids - let alone the desirable men - so she eventually lowers her standards to average men. But because she's not attracted to average men, she focuses on her children while he takes the back seat. This partly explains why men complain that single moms rarely make time for them. She's more interested in his money and help in raising her kids, rather than as a romantic interest.

  • The second problem is once the couple moves in together and becomes a family, she will want all the control and decision-making authority in her children's discipline and upbringing. She wants her partner to be a good role model and to provide financial stability, but without the authority of a biological father to make decisions in their best interests. This disempowers the man, and allows the children to disrespect and undermine him because "You're not my real daddy. You can't tell me what to do". This mentality of "My children come first" establishes the family into a matriarchy, where the hierarchy is Mother > Children > Male Provider. And because her children "come first", she expects her partner to make them first in his life by dedicating his time and resources to their needs, which explains why many single moms won't date single dads, because she selfishly doesn't want him dividing his time and resources with children who are not her own.

Therefore, the real reason why single moms say "My children are my world" and "My children come first" is because the men she's addressing are provider males who are undesirable for romance in her eyes, and she's setting the frame that her children are the focus of the relationship and the man's role is to provide for them. She would never say "My children come first" to the alpha biological father because her attraction for him compels her to balance her children's needs with his. So she's effectively saying to less desirable suitors: "You're an unattractive man I would have rejected in my prime years, so if I date you, it's only because I want you to help me raise my kids and provide financial stability. I'm not really interested in romance or sex with you. Otherwise I would make time for you like I did for the jerks."

To further drive home this point, everything written in this article is addressed to provider men, which you'll notice is less about romance, and more about her kids. This is not to say that single moms never want affection, just that it's not her priority when she enters the dating market. Any claims of a single mom wanting "love and affection" is secondary to the raising and provision of her offspring.

 

How to bang single moms

Remember that single moms are looking for a man to help raise their kids and provide financial stability; they're not looking for hookups unless you're exceptionally attractive. So for average men, the most effective way to bang single moms is to present yourself as a man who wants to have a family and to take things slow.

Single moms are inundated with men wanting to just hookup with them. So you stand out from the crowd by putting your desire for sex with her on the backburner. Instead, play-up your ability to provide financial stability so that she knows you're capable of providing for her and her children: Show her how nice and clean your pad looks, humble-brag about your supervisor position or how much money you make, and that you enjoy taking your nephew or son to Chuck E. Cheese. Show her first-hand how well you interact with kids by allowing your nephew to be your wingman ("I'm taking my nephew bowling this weekend, then we're getting pizza. You should join us, it'll be fun."). Let her know that you hope to have a family of your own someday with the right woman.

While you're on your date, show some romantic interest through kino escalation, all of which you initiate and keep brief. And unless she's coming unto you, don't try to sleep with her on the first date. You can boost your desirability by dating other women and giving her the impression that you have options ("I met a young woman recently who asked me out on a date, but I was thinking about you and I doing something this weekend").

The key is to be her limited-time offer, to show interest but that you also have options, to be the man that might get away if she doesn't act soon. Why does this work? Because an elusive man who makes good money and likes kids is the biggest tease to single moms, especially moms who stress over money and managing their kids alone. And if a single mom feelz that you're a hard-working man who is more interested in a relationship than just a hookup - and that she might lose you to another woman - then she will attempt to have sex with you.

But it's important to know that her having sex with you has little to do with how hot you are, and everything to do with manipulating you to commit and to provide for her and her offspring. Rollo calls this "Transactional Sex", but for the purposes of our discussion, you're banging a single mom. Congrats! If you're an exceptional lover and avoid committing to her, then she will keep seeing you for sex while she looks for another man to commit to her. What started as an attempt to Beta Bucks you has now turned into Friends With Benefits.

 

Nice Guys Finish Last...but they don't have to.

It's a common perspective in the manosphere that after a woman gets pumped and dumped by jerks long enough she will eventually want to settle down with the nice guy. But some men think that's just a beta male fantasy, as if nice guys are always invisible to women. The truth is that while women prefer Mr. Tall Handsome and Swag, single moms desperate for financial stability and help managing the kids will indeed seek out nice guys for commitment just like orbiters for her friendzone. Otherwise, Beta Bucks wouldn't exist. There's a reason why it's said "Nice Guys finish last" and not "Nice Guys never finish at all". Chivalry becomes the IN thing when single moms need a bailout.

In conclusion, if you're an average guy who's having difficulty dating women, and suddenly a single mom is showering you with attention and affection, then she likely wants you to provide for her and her offspring. But before even entertaining the idea of dating her, first ask yourself: "Would this woman date me if she didn't have kids?" Don't allow a polite profile or damsel in distress cause you to forget that Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

 

tl;dr: Single moms who bring young children to the dating market are looking for men to help raise their kids and provide financial stability. They're not looking for romance unless you're exceptionally attractive. Any man who dates a single mom hoping for long-term romance can potentially end up in a dead bedroom.


For anyone interested, I created a sub called r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen which shows women who complain about wanting a "Good Man" after dating jerks, riding the carousel, and who have children they want provided for, in an effort to help decent men guard their commitment and resources.

[-] BathroomBistro 135 Points about a month ago

Single moms are the natural predators of Betas. Both either overtly or covertly engage in transactional sex.

Its pretty much to the point where, when I see an above average women with an average man, I immediately assume the Single mom/Beta bucks scenario.

[-] Iceklimber 19 Points about a month ago

Single moms are the natural predators of Betas.

Chiming in to mention that single mothers will tell you what you want to hear including 'Totally not expecting you to provide for my kids'

[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 4 Points about a month ago

I can't believe that women think like this. lol. She really believes some guy is gonna magically want to jump at the opportunity to raise a kid that he knows isn't his

[-] Iceklimber 5 Points about a month ago

Absolutely happens.

One such man reached the frontpage not long ago (stepkids made a cup for him)

[-] exit_sandman 2 Points about a month ago

On a dating platform, I once read a profile that said

"Not looking for the Great Love because that only leads to heartbreak. I just want a man who is willing to do anything for me. What I want most is to have a family."

Okay, she wasn't a single mom, but still. I seriously wonder whether she thought that this actually was a good sales pitch for any non-desperate man.

[-] justchilllllin 1 Point about a month ago

Women see their kids as a part of them. So they assume that you will love her kids like you love her.

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[-] RedHoodhandles 1 Point about a month ago

Sure. She might plop out one kid with his genes to sweeten the deal.

[-] BewareTheOldMan 3 Points about a month ago

On the other thread dude doesn't understand the downvotes - he's basically saying "Single Mothers are always looking for Mr. Replacement Daddy...hence the downvotes.

Truth hurts for some folks.

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[-] Avertus 12 Points about a month ago

Shouldn't be already Red Pill common sense at this point that single moms automatically lure in Beta Bux?

[-] reluctantly_red 11 Points about a month ago

Both either overtly or covertly engage in transactional sex.

More of a symbiotic relationship then. They both need each other. She needs money. He needs at least a morsel of affection and a little sex.

[-] sadomasochrist 8 Points about a month ago

You don't need to "imagine" this at all. Women actively select providers to have children with, they do not generally select protector types to have families with.

Black women select protector types, white women do not. Black women practice open hypergamy, white women practice dualistic strategy.

Furthermore, only a tiny minority (less than 2% or so) of families would be oriented in such a way that the male is conforming to red pill theory (STR orientation).

TL;DR : Blue pill\provisioning is innate to family.

To further drive this point home, MRP is a blue pill framework.

[-] Suave2055 2 Points about a month ago

Is there a reason why black women seek protectors and are open about their sex life? Currently in the midst with a 22 year old black college student that is very open about who hits on her/other relationships

[-] sadomasochrist 4 Points about a month ago

I'd have to wildly speculate. But it appears to be poor socialization. You can see this behavior with white women too, but they're usually of lower social class. They're usually smart enough to conceal this and operate dualistically.

[-] JJ3314 1 Point about a month ago

I presume it’s an outrcropping of the exceptionally high rates of single mother upringings, and the social consequences of this. I think we are seeing this behavior increasing in white women as rates of out of wedlock births creep up.

[-] viphawaii 60 Points about a month ago

Not everyone here is top 20% alpha dude. Yes, we may be striving to do so, but let's be pragmatic here. As men ages, they will encounter more single moms than single women in the dating world. If you are not alpha chad, you will end up on dates with single mom; that's a fact.

Here in SF where competition is fierce for high SMV young single women, single mom is our bread and butter for men 30+.

My personal favorite are single mom with kids 15+. They no longer need a babysitter and they are also pragmatic to realize that the chances of them getting married are very low. So, they are ok with relationships without future (post post wall).

[-] Locko_O 15 Points about a month ago

You say men 30+ like it's a bad thing, while usually 30 - 40 should be absolute prime for men?

[-] viphawaii 2 Points about a month ago

No, 30+ is certainly not a bad thing. But, neither are single moms. Sure, OP is talking about single moms who are looking for a provider. I personally never date anyone looking for a provider, single or divorced.

I'm talking about single moms who are successful in their career and are financially well off. As the result of biased divorce laws in America, these single mom made off with a huge windfall. Additionally, in my area, these single mom have great careers in large tech industries. Often times, they don't want to get married again and want to preserve their wealth at the same time enjoy a good relationship.

I find it funny that some people in this sub making sweeping generalizations about single moms. That's fine with me, dude. More fore me. I am very happy to date these women who don't put pressure on me for marriage (unlike the single women) and instead focuses on having a good time.

[-] Imperator_Red 4 Points about a month ago

But, neither are single moms.

Sorry but yes, they are. If two women are identical in every way except one is a single mom, her value is far lower.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 2 Points about a month ago

While I agree with what you said (Obviously not all of us can be alphas, and yes there are more single mothers as you age) I still don't think they're worth dating. I'd rather wait for a woman who is actually single, or do without. Having dated a single mother once, and having had a brother who has done it, there is no way I ever want to do it again.

[-] Jaereth 1 Point about a month ago

If you are not alpha chad, you will end up on dates with single mom; that's a fact.

I'm noting special but I never did. I just had a rule. I don't date girls with kids.

It's most certainly not a fact. You can do it, or you can have some respect for yourself and not.

[-] KingZeeke 1 Point about a month ago

You are correct with your statement, but you are also talking about something different than what OP is posting.

OP is posting that Single moms are not interested in you in a romantic way, but interested as a provider for them. This ultimately leads to decrease in passion and intimacy as the relationship progresses.

Its just a warning to people who date single moms to remember that you may have different expectations of intimacy and then never receive it because you were never their priority.

[-] nebder 50 Points about a month ago

Takeaway here is don’t fall for betabait

Single moms are still gals. They respond to AF like the other vag people. Only free every other weekend is a blessing in itself. I am the guy they have fun with and make it clear they should keep looking for a provider. Theyll polarize to that idea quickly.

[-] MentORPHEUS 30 Points about a month ago

Takeaway here is don’t fall for betabait

Only free every other weekend is a blessing in itself. I am the guy they have fun with

For men in their 20s, single moms can be a trap. Once you're in your mid-30s to 50s, they become a great source of willing part time plates. You must be choosy and bring experience-honed solid frame and woman management skills. Done correctly, you can leverage the "older man" power dynamic that simply isn't available in your 20s.

[-] mojavelover 14 Points about a month ago

In your 30's and 40's single moms are fine, but only as once or twice a month thing when their kids are with their dad. Never meet the kids. Just go for drinks and sex, never bring the kids into the equation. This works in my experience. You are date night dude when the kids aren't there.

Ground rules, one or two nights a month, drinks and something fun, be the date night guy. No involvement with the children. Single moms need to feel like they are single again once in a while. Don't get too attached.

[-] Pestilence1911 5 Points about a month ago

If you like baked goods you can play the "possible future lover" role and just validate them and use them for sex and force them into a one way monogamous relationship and all that jazz aslong as they bring baked goods when they fuck you.

But those games wont work on a woman who doesnt need betabucks

[-] Wolveryn 2 Points about a month ago

I'm laughing my ass off at the reinforced need for baked goods! :D

The notion of some women with kids, preparing away in the kitchen with her limited spare time for your D by making brownies as an offering for your magic staff of Destiny.

[-] Pestilence1911 3 Points about a month ago

I did it to a girl for a few months, my mummy didnt approve of it at all cause i told everyone but the girl i had no intention of dating her.

My mom flat out told me i should stop seeing her so she can focus her efforts on finding a guy thats willing to 'step up and be a real man'.

The red pill allowed me to hold frame and continue to get cheesecake (time consuming to make!)

[-] Wolveryn 3 Points about a month ago

Mummy? Are you 3 years old?

[-] Pestilence1911 2 Points about a month ago

25, and i have enough GBP saved up for tendies well into my 30's.

Im mummys good boy!!!

[-] JJ3314 3 Points about a month ago

It’s like the Mitch Hedberg joke: “I don’t have a girlfriend, but I do know a woman that would be really mad at me if she heard me say that.”

[-] Pestilence1911 1 Point about a month ago

This one time she sat on my lap and talked for six hours, i just sajd "wow. Cool,neat," amd asked questions.

Was ignoring her and reading this subreddit, shit fucking works.....but she just....kept talking...

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[-] nebder 11 Points about a month ago

Solid point on the age ranges. At the end of the day play by your own rules or dont play.

[-] Original_Dankster 4 Points about a month ago

Once you're in your mid-30s to 50s, they become a great source of willing part time plates.

Yup. Mid 40s, agree completely. Plus, plate management for 2 single moms can be really easy -

I spent about 8 months where I had two women who each had custody of their kids on opposite weeks. It made scheduling a breeze.

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point about a month ago

The only single moms I've ever banged are divorced older milfs, but that's a whole other topic.

[-] exit_sandman 1 Point about a month ago

I banged a few single moms of various ages; but at the end of the day all of them want to be more than a sidepiece to someone at some point.

[-] juiceboxguy85 1 Point about a month ago

Bingo! Single moms are great plates as long as you let them know up front it's just for fun. You let them know that YOU are the bad boy. Don't be a dick, be sweet. Woman want a guy who is a dick but not to them because it makes them feel special. Establish that you are bad from the beginning. Helps if you pretend to be married. Provides social validation and if you search long enough you will find the ones that seriously get off on banging another woman's man. They're the best. And they hold out that little hope that they can still take you from your woman. This is what keeps them coming back. I play to their fantasy and remind them every step of the way that this is just for fun, as I seemingly get more intimate. I've strung along plates for a year using this technique. These women want the thrill of AF even while they are shopping for BB. When you learn how they think you can learn how to manipulate them to get what you want and not set yourself up to be the one manipulated. That's how you TRP.

[-] MisfitPL9 28 Points about a month ago

Great write up. With single mums, I often have to tell myself to not get oneitis and to not to try and fix their problems( financial and emotional ).

[-] Wolveryn 3 Points about a month ago

Man, I used to get oneitus... I'm so certain that that phase is competely gone now... not sure if thats good or bad.

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[-] Nis_law 3 Points about a month ago

Exactly my thoughts. She might accuse you after.

[-] Crowstarz 19 Points about a month ago

Excellent article.This is for all of those who lust for milfs&gilfs who end up paying child support for someone else's offspring.Instead of choosing a dried vagina you should go for one of the riped ones.There is nothing more exquisite than a tight pussy of a sorority girl when compared to a cougar.LIFT, EAT healthy,set your goals and achieve them and you'll drown in pussy.

[-] Nis_law 4 Points about a month ago

I would give you gold, too sad I just read about beta bucks.

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point about a month ago

I prefer younger and childless like any man, but I've banged a few older divorced milfs and I have to say, their pussies felt exactly the same. I really can't tell the difference.

[-] Crowstarz 3 Points about a month ago

Well there is a difference.i got no prejudice against older women,but for me the younger the violin the sweeter the music.

[-] Imperator_Red 2 Points about a month ago

I agree. I'm just saying if I had to stick my dick through a hole and determine which pussy was which, I don't think I'd be able to tell.

[-] Zeke1902 1 Point about a month ago

Do you really end up paying child support for someone else's kid during a divorce? Sorry I just dont know anything about how child support works as I tend to stay away from single moms for this reason.

[-] Crowstarz 1 Point about a month ago

Nope i did not.I am still in my mid 20s. I tend to go for sorority girls 101% of the time .I'm not interested in riding a worn out bitch.

[-] Zeke1902 3 Points about a month ago

Same, I just turned 28 and I'm back in college after leaving the military. Single moms are an absolute turnoff to begin with. Some of them usually have kids with several different people and if that's not a red flag I dont know what is.

[-] BewareTheOldMan 1 Point about a month ago

Paternity by estoppel can result in court-ordered child support for spending time with another man's kid(s). Courts don't want to pick up the tab and they need suckers to foot the bill for Mr. Deadbeat's kid(s). Spending time is enough to start a lawsuit and cohabitation as a family is not necessarily a requirement. KNOW THESE LAWS!

https://tabanolaw.com/paternity-by-estoppel/

Also -beware of women with pre-teen to teenage girls. An accusation of ANYTHING is ruinous to a man's career and bank account. Truth of whether or not anything happened is immaterial. Jilted women get very angry after giving away ALL that great sex to some male they see as a Beta-Provider only to have this same man refuse to support her financially while continuing a relationship. Another scenario is the teenage girl could simply make an accusation to get rid of a man who isn't her father. Authorities will have to bring the man in for questioning and possible investigation follow ups.

[-] TheScarletScholar 14 Points about a month ago

Simply the amount of research, relevant examples, and effort put into this post elevates it miles above anything that's been posted recently. Bravo, Kevin.

[-] billfitz24 10 Points about a month ago

I’ll say this about any parent, single or not; if your kids don’t come first then you are a piece of shit.

Spouses may come and go, but your kids are always your kids. They’re half of YOU. They depend on you to nurture them and keep them safe. That’s job #1. Period.

So anybody that gives someone grief because they say “my kids come first”, well 1) you don’t get it, and 2) go fuck yourself.

[-] DeontologicalSanders 3 Points about a month ago

Literally no one in this thread has suggested giving someone "grief" because their kids come first. I don't know where you read or even inferred that. Frankly, it sounds like you're projecting your own experience with single parenthood onto the OP and the people commenting.

You don't give someone whose kids come first a hard time. In fact, you should never feel obligated to give them anything. Not your money, not your time, not your resources, not your attention. Because no matter how much you like them personally, their kids are not your fucking problem.

The offspring of another man provide no benefit to you. They don't carry on your lineage, they won't appreciate your providership (because kids almost never do), they'll very likely be more strongly attached to their biological father than you, and they won't give a fuck about taking care of you when you get old. A woman in a desperate situation wanting a man to provide for her kids is rational. It's not evil. It's not wrong. It's not deserving of "grief".

But it is always a shit deal.

[-] billfitz24 2 Points about a month ago

That’s very disingenuous and I’m sure you know it. “My kids come first” is frequently, frequently mentioned when criticizing the dating profiles of single moms. The implication is clear.

[-] DeontologicalSanders 1 Point about a month ago

It's not disingenuous at all. No one in this thread is advocating giving single mothers a hard time for saying "my kid comes first", shaming them, taunting them, etc. It's not personal. You are misreading responses whose primary message is that they're simply not worth getting involved with. Forget that the kid in question isn't yours. Any relationship in which the woman does not make the man her primary focus is an unhealthy one, no matter the reason.

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[-] Nicolas0631 1 Point about a month ago

No grief, but no reason to devote your life to her kid neither. This is her problem, no yours.

[-] billfitz24 1 Point about a month ago

Good point, and you’re absolutely correct.

[-] havelbrandybuck 8 Points about a month ago

You don't need to write a 2000 word report to detail that single mums are primarily looking for a transactional relationship at the disadvantage of men. Also you should condense your 'how to bang single mums' section into one sentence: you don't.

[-] destraht 10 Points about a month ago

What you do is catch them on the flipside when their kids are 15+ years old and they are starting to see the other side of that struggle and want to catch up on their life. I think that a healthy 40 year old woman is great for sex its just that she will be rapidly depreciating over the next years and so is a terrible investment. I had older 35-42 year old plates at the end of my university experience because I transferred to a third school in another city and the women were more difficult and the older women were easy. One of them had a daughter only several years young than me whose picture was famously on a freeway billboard for a local junior college and I'd laugh while I was driving by "I'm banging your mom".

In Colombia and Eastern Europe its all about young women, absolutely and entirely. I think that in California as a young guy its not bad to go for 30's and 40's women and to just be the fresh meat while keeping life easy. They never fucked my head at all and if anything shrugged off my exhaustion and grumpiness from my studies. Now that I'm 38 the older 55 year olds in California want to fuck me but 38 -> 55 isn't at all the same as 25 -> 38, not even close. The older Calfornia women are all empowered and everything and shoot for the hot meat, the same as they did 10-15 years ago, they're only older. If it was even slightly attractive I'd currently be banging two 55 year old women right now that I know through my mom, as they hit on my very obviously even in front of my mom. That is how bold they are.

The issue now though with a 35-40 year old woman now that I'm 38 is that they believe that we should be on the same sort of grind and that we are equals and they would look to me to be LTS, but I haven't been accumulating things as one should (poor I guess). They can write that off for a young poor student who is just a hot dick but they view me differently now.

[-] reluctantly_red 6 Points about a month ago

The older Calfornia women are all empowered and everything and shoot for the hot meat

Yeah -- middle aged Bay Area women are probably the most entitled group of women in the entire world.

[-] OpenJizzHandFaceSlap 1 Point about a month ago

I never knew this though I have friends that moved from the Bay area. This explains why San Fran and the surrounding areas are turning into literal shitholes..

[-] ARUKET 4 Points about a month ago

Why is there one of you faggots in every comments thread whining that the post is too long and that everyone should just write a thesis statement instead of elaborating on anything?

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[-] SemiLoquacious 6 Points about a month ago

Good read. But why hate on the article from cafemom, (the one you said is aimed at provider men) everything in that article was spot on.

A guy who is going to date a single mom can't be needy. Don't expect to always have me answer every call or text. I'm juggling tons of stuff and trying to date too. I'm doing the best I can." -- Sheila D., Saint Paul, Minnesota

That's the truth no matter what woman you date, especially true for single moms-- they already have a baby to take care of.

Please be all the way divorced or out of your prior relationship before you call me, especially if you also have kids. I don't need drama! Dating with kids involved is hard enough without having fresh divorce issues to deal with." -- Kelli J., Miami, Florida

Ouch! Well said.

"I don't care how romantic our date was, you are NOT getting invited home. I don't have sex with someone who I'm not married or engaged to under the same roof as my kid. Period. I don't want her to be hearing or seeing anything she shouldn't." -- Becky T., Tucson, Arizona

That's reasonable. I say take it a step further and don't even go to her house period -- children in broken homes don't need to meet every strange man that their mom is banging, if she says no to sex at her house, that's her doing the right thing.

"My kid is pretty great, but you don't get to meet him unless you are around for the long haul. If you ask to meet him and I say 'no', that means I'm not sure about you yet." -- Latrice P., Rochester, Minnesota

Good. The kid shouldn't be meeting just any strange man that the mother is -- oh yes, already said this. Oops, hahah.

Really, the only thing from this article that was garbage was the woman that talked about how she loved playing games in her youth but she won't tolerate that now. Really, she was just some idiot that rode the cock carousel for years and now she is 30 with a kid and upset Chad won't commit to her.

Every other woman in the article is pretty spot on in reasoning.

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point about a month ago

It seems like you are reading every quote from the woman's perspective and saying "good, that's how she should be acting." You should be reading it from your perspective and saying, "so, what's in this for me?"

[-] SemiLoquacious 0 Points about a month ago

I look at it as, what's in it for me if I look at it from your perspective.

If you are the type to get jealous that I'm still friendly with an ex, don't waste your time with me. My ex is my kid's dad and we'll always be in contact, so you had better be able to handle that." -- Marianna C., Stillwater, Oklahoma

Now some men would say there's nothing in it for them if they date a woman that's in contact with her baby daddy. Understandable. You having to deal with her ex is awkward and quite a pain in the ass.

From the other side, you have to ask, do you really want to date a single mom that lets her bitterness over a breakup go and make her attempt to keep her kid and the father from seeing each other? Obviously there's scenarios where a mother should not let her kid contact the father, but really think of it--if she's taking the kid from an ex and going through various lengths to separate him altogether because she hates him that much, then she is the type of women to self-justify taking something from you upon a breakup and running off and never looking back.

How she treats a baby daddy is either a green flag or a red flag. Of course, the possibility she'll cheat with her ex is always there, so be observant.

Also, you can't have it both ways. You can't be upset with women that up and leave a baby daddy and totally separate her kid from him so she can bang Chads, and simultaneously you yourself LARP as a Chad that sleeps with single mothers and expect them to keep their ex out of their lives. Containing such self-conflicting deeply held opinions makes you a fag.

Tl:dr; if you're only ever asking what's in it for you then you'll get nothing

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[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 2 Points about a month ago

I've been away from reddit for a year or so and was wondering why I was not seeing trp on my page and it wasn't until I tried to visit the sub I saw it was quarantined.

This suggests that reddit is biased towards women and against men.

Are there any female subreddits that have been banned? Any at all? I'm curious.

[-] BuzzLightGear321 5 Points about a month ago

No, and the admins have given us 0 reasons why we are quarantined.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 1 Point about a month ago

I'm sorry to hear that, I would very much like to see TRP back on the front page.

[-] Squirelnuts 5 Points about a month ago

Women are like rental cars . Take her/it out for a good tear over a long weekend, maybe let a few buddies take a turn. Return it dented a little scratched and needing a good wash and polish .

[-] breyerw 1 Point about a month ago

ew. Theres a gentlemans code that goes, "Leave them better off than you found them".

[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 5 Points about a month ago

the WhereAreAllTheGoodMen subreddit is pure gold.

[-] Mylominderbinder 1 Point about a month ago

Wait, that's an actual subreddit?

[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 1 Point about a month ago

Yes it is and it's gold. Not sure if I can link it here.

EDIT: I sent you a PM with the link

[-] BirdManBrrrr 4 Points about a month ago

Remember that single moms are looking for a man to help raise their kids and provide financial stability; they're not looking for hookups unless you're exceptionally attractive. So for average men, the most effective way to bang single moms is to present yourself as a man who wants to have a family and to take things slow.

I fail to see why one needs to engage in some drawn out strategy to bang a single mother, wasting one's precious time and money taking it slow in some courtship process that is the antithesis of how we encourage men to act. Is single mommy pussy some magical prize to be won, justifying the time and effort going into this grand scheme? Is she really worth the effort? Really?

Single moms are inundated with men wanting to just hookup with them. So you stand out from the crowd by putting your desire for sex with her on the backburner. Instead, play-up your ability to provide financial stability so that she knows you're capable of providing for her and her children: Show her how nice and clean your pad looks, humble-brag about your supervisor position or how much money you make, and that you enjoy taking your nephew or son to Chuck E. Cheese.

This is nothing but deliberate Nice Guy^TM orbiting and putting the Single Mommy Pussy On A Pedestal.

"Play your beta game, bro! Stand out from the crowd of already thirsty, virtue signalling betas who will love them for who they are by doing EXACTLY what they're doing and maybe she'll fuck you reward you with sex!"

Fuck all that.

Single mommies are not some exception to AWALT attraction triggers despite her fuck trophy in tow. The shit that makes her tingle is the same as every other woman; either you as a man can attract and close it or you can't. There's nothing--NOTHING--special about this growing population of low quality, poor decision making women that justifies the extra effort for fucking them. Either fuck them because she tingles when you're around or move on.

[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 4 Points about a month ago

Exactly. There are tons of available single women out there who DO NOT HAVE KIDS. It takes someone with a serious lack of abundance mentality to go through all these hoops for a single mom who has been pumped and dumped.

[-] Camjd10 4 Points about a month ago

That image at the end is hilarious.

[-] SemiLoquacious 1 Point about a month ago

Ugh, don't remind me of it.

[-] An_Actual_Politician 1 Point about a month ago

The way she changes how she dresses/presents herself as the timeline progresses. Hilarious.

[-] willsilent 4 Points about a month ago

Some pretty good points

I was talking to a lovely lady about 20 years older than me and she basically just wants to settle down(which isn't surprising obviously)

Basically for any girl if you act like you don't want to fuck them and are assertive/in charge at the same time with other things they'll want to sleep with you, mom or not

[-] Wolveryn 1 Point about a month ago

Funny how that works... I've never quite gotten to the bottom of why... just that it is...

[-] willsilent 2 Points about a month ago

Something to do with our dna and subconsciously women want to find the strongest(which you can push into assertiveness/dominance) men, because someone whos in charge means less work for then and that they will be provided for. Women find the oh i wanna fuck you shit unattractive because it puts them in control of what happens

[-] Wolveryn 1 Point about a month ago

Mmm I agree that it’s to do with power and dominance... I guess the answer can be observed in our primate cousins in the wild or at the zoo.

It really is about improving the gene pool odds for her offspring... we’re still so closely linked to our origins in the harsh realities of survival as a mammal species... even with our hundreds of made up Gods, and mobile phones and internet, and our ability to send rockets to space...

Simply Smart monkeys on a rock orbiting a hot but cooling ball of hydrogen, perhaps the fate of every winner of the food chain in similar conditions throughout space.

[-] tempolaca 3 Points about a month ago

I wish my ex was one of those girls. She's 45, and basically don't give a fuck about our kid. Even at that age she's dating betas and running from one to the other like it's nothing. She's not hard to bang at all, in fact I could do it easily but hell no.

Thanks good I'm still here for the kid, but rising him almost alone makes dating really difficult.

[-] S-Blaze 3 Points about a month ago

I wouldn't waste energy with single moms, got a kid with someone else you're already less ''fated'' or special in her mind. Their concern to find a man despite this is also valid so I wouldn't waste their time either. If you don't mind raising someone else kid though and you want to commit then you have to act like the biological father or else she'll never respect you as you should be respected.

[-] Platos_slow_brother 3 Points about a month ago

What is creepy is when you see "single moms" (i.e. women who are not with their kids' genetic fathers---because in reality those dads are often quite active in the kids' lives) all but abandon their kids to chase a particular Chad.

If a male is high status enough, the kids get dumped on the genetic father or a grandparent, and the gal sprints after The Chad.

[-] PS2Errol 2 Points about a month ago

Nobody in the right mind would ever pay a single dollar towards the care or bringing up of another man's child.

It makes me sick even thinking about it.

[-] LockDownHalfGuard 2 Points about a month ago

The sad thing is insight and articles like this is something Reddit is banning and eliminate. Alternative points of view about dating and marriage market is no longer tolerated. Political correctness has become the only 'truth you are allowed to speak, anything that contravenes this will be name called as being 'misogynistic', 'sexist, etc. How dare men have an alternative point of view and do something that guards their wealth from single mother predators.

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[-] Wolveryn 1 Point about a month ago

Its true that they're playing that game, but lets not forget its a hard game to play on any man except thirsty thirsty betas who dont want to know the truth.

But for anyone here on TRP, you know the rules, if you have your shit together you can fuck on the first date, she's probably seldom got a night off from kids, so she's gonna be DTF, and looking to snag you on the weekly... then do the conversion process to BF, once you've gotten used to that good head she gives you.

It's the classic bait and switch technique, girls know it and apply it instinctivley, and these same instincts will be looking to make sure you're an ideal candidate for providing.... So if you want to fuck her, she needs to think that there's something more for her in the end game.

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[-] jonpe87 1 Point about a month ago

ALERT!!

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There is also the pregnant single mon. Those are girls that near of their 25 birthday, or that are finishing college, that have an agenda, they want to marry and have a child in that phase of theirs lifes. But they apply AF/BB.. they will date multiple guys at the same time or at least 2, some of them are AF and some of them are BB. Than they will manage to get pregnant of AF and at the same time they will make it appears that the BB is the father. Or worse being already pregnant they will seduce a BB and have sex asap with him. I saw this happen in the last year of my college, it is insane!!

[-] btrpb 1 Point about a month ago

My experience of single moms is total hookup. One night lay. I don't give off any sort of provider vibe.

Usually, if they are out on a date, which logistically is difficult for them, they're gonna spread their legs.

[-] WhiteGhosts 1 Point about a month ago

It's sad that they use their children.

[-] DubbleFUPAwitCheez 1 Point about a month ago

Quite the treatise on navigating the SMP involving single moms. If we were investors this would be the hot new thing to invest in but that's the wrong kind of market.

I'll chip in my bit of experience with this breed of woman. If they are a single mom but their profile doesn't state they have a kid, they have not yet been confronted with how big of a hit they have taken in relationship value from having a kid and still want alphas. How will you know they are a single mom then? You will find out on your first date. Luckily for you if you have gotten to this point, you are alpha fux, congrats.

Here is why this whole write up is fresh and useful. One of the single moms I got with from Tinder had a rocking body and a pretty face, weird gums though. When we matched she never mentioned her kid or anything like that in our talk or her profile. We bang a few times - her vagina was not tight, probably the longest I've ever lasted - and then we went our separate ways for awhile.

Later I saw her on tinder again, this time she did mention the kid in the profile. We talk a bit but I am uninterested. A few months later I look up her social media and her profile pic has a guy in it. It's her, the daughter (mixed kid) and some kinda pudgy guy at a pumpkin patch.

Here's the point and why if you go down this road you need to do what the OP says, I decide to hit her up again. We talk and she invites me to meet up even though her social is full of "I'm so lucky for this guy" "I love how much we're like a family" etc. If you are that guy, the beta provider she's looking for, you are putting yourself in the most likely situation possible to get cheated on. Imagine putting in that much time, effort and money. Ignoring that voice in your head saying you're a bitch because shes so hot/nice/kind/ a good person only for you to be thanked by getting cheated on. The one thing you ask for, a little loyalty and you ask too much.

I didn't follow through because I'm not so heartless, yet. But that guy, helping her, buying pumpkins he may think he's so lucky to get with a chick that hot but this isn't even a case of "it's just your turn", you're just the guy picking up the bill.

[-] exit_sandman 1 Point about a month ago

Everything you just wrote... is right.

But it's even worse than that, there are also other factors that make single moms undatable, and not just her need for provisioning and her lack of time. Here is a thread I wrote over 2 years ago, still valid.

[-] BluePillEltonJohn 1 Point about a month ago

As a step son this makes you feel like a complete burden. #imtriggered

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point about a month ago

On all these quotes from single moms on the rules for dating them, all I keep thinking is, "Wow you're really selling this well!"

[-] JJ3314 1 Point about a month ago

This is an excellent article, and needs to be burned into the minds of every male who aspires to engage in a relationship with a woman. It is a fool’s errand to assume that you are not just a paycheck, and playing beta bucks to these single mothers. And yet there are no shortage of single mothers advertising themselves on dating apps making demands of qualities you need to have in order to earn the right for her to strip you of your resources and dignity. And the observation about having no paternal authority is spot on. There can be no paternal reponsibility without paternal authority.

[-] Obediah_Stane 1 Point about a month ago

You founded "where are all the good men"? No wonder it had so many nuggets of red pill wisdom. Good stuff

[-] RPSilverfox 1 Point about a month ago

|How to bang single moms

Unless she is super hot attractive why would you spend any time to “show her” you are a nice guy provider beta just to have sex with her? In the time it takes to finally hit it you could have been spinning 3 or 4 other plates and not having to deal with any kids.

[-] SilverGryphon 1 Point about a month ago

Great post dude. Let this be a lesson to all men who think that being a step father will be rewarding.

[-] Synthetic_Citizen 1 Point about a month ago

If you want to go for a single mum thats your choice but be aware of the potential repercussion that may come with it. These women have the law on their side even more so than do childless women, the stigma of always believing a single mother is practically enforced by both law enforcement and by the court system. Cops are trained to cater to single mothers first without question under the shadow of penalty. Remember, its in the best interest of the child, this is their moral highground that cancels out all their injustice. Single motherhood already betrays a potential lack of accountability in a woman. Always have a means of recording and documenting with you in case she gets malicious.

More importantly, DO NOT ASSIST HER FINANCIALLY and DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, WAY, SHAPE OR FORM ASSIST OR SPEND TIME WITH HER KIDS. If you so much as baby sit for half an hour, change a nappy or buy them an ice cream cone she can place you on the hook for child support if she can prove you acted as a father figure at some point in time. All it takes is a cash slip for the kiddies meal you got Timmy that day three months ago or that ice cream vendor who remembers you buying Timmy an ice cream cone.

Its not unfair, its not even about you, ITS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD, so shut up and pay up. Its your fault anyway, what kind of monster teases Timmy by portraying himself as a loving father with that kiddies takeout you got him then abandons poor Timmy. Monster!!

[-] geo_gan 1 Point about a month ago

Where the hell is that? America? I don’t think this could happen in Western Europe. A man who is not the father of the child would never be forced by any court to pay child support for another mans child. Unless this man was stupid enough to actually marry the single mother. If I am wrong about this let us know any legal eagle reading this...

[-] Synthetic_Citizen 3 Points about a month ago

Are you aware that the LGBT community have been campaigning and petitioning to make heterosexuality a hate crime. More specifically, if you are a straight person who is exclusively attracted to the opposite sex and refuse to date transgender people then you are discriminating against and oppressing transgender people. This is being seriously evaluated in American states like California. Thats right, you are no longer allowed to have a sexual preferance, at least not if they have their way.

[-] geo_gan 1 Point about a month ago

Omfg that’s ridiculous. And scary. And they probably will force a few idiot white knights to make it law. Eventually.

[-] BewareTheOldMan 0 Points about a month ago

Paternity by estoppel can result in court-ordered child support for spending time with another man's kid(s). Courts don't want to pick up the tab and they need suckers to foot the bill for Mr. Deadbeat's kid(s). Spending time is enough to start a lawsuit and cohabitation as a family is not necessarily a requirement. KNOW THESE LAWS!

https://tabanolaw.com/paternity-by-estoppel/

Also -beware of women with pre-teen to teenage girls. An accusation of ANYTHING is ruinous to a man's career and bank account. Truth of whether or not anything happened is immaterial. Jilted women get very angry after giving away ALL that great sex to some male they see as a Beta-Provider only to have this same man refuse to support her financially while continuing a relationship. Another scenario is the teenage girl could simply make an accusation to get rid of a man who isn't her father. Authorities will have to bring the man in for questioning and possible investigation follow ups.

There's plenty of good reasons to avoid Single Mothers. I offered you two more for consideration.

cc - u/Synthetic_Citizen

[-] Synthetic_Citizen 1 Point about a month ago

Fair point on the second reason. Thanks for the insight.

[-] Nicolas0631 1 Point about a month ago

If you don't marry her, no risk.

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[-] RandomWordsssss -12 Point about a month ago

I try to look at the red pill with an unbiased nature and I love everything about self improvement and the like, but this is straight fucked up.

You literally said you’re tricking single moms into sex by manipulating them into thinking that you’ll stick around.

Nothing wrong with not wanting a relationship but when you purposely lead people astray for your own benefit you’re an absolute turd of a human being. I feel wrong just reading this.

[-] warlordchad 20 Points about a month ago

Are you a complete fucking idiot? Have you not read the sidebar? Do you not understand Briffault’s Law?

All women are manipulating men—all the time. Constantly. They want sex from Chad and money from Brad. That’s it man. And yeah, if you’re giving them one or the other or both then you can talk, share, and to some extent have a normal human relationship. But understand that if they can’t get dick or dollars out of you, they could give a fuck what happens to you. AWALT.

This post is spot on, but in all honesty I’d say don’t bother with single moms unless you have to—they’re so fucking busy and unavailable generally it’s absurd and not worth the time. And as OP points out, they’re not in it for the romance.

[-] TheTrenTrannyTrain 5 Points about a month ago

Dude deleted his gayass moralizing comment.

[-] RandomWordsssss 0 Points about a month ago

I didn’t delete and I still agree with it. Must’ve been deleted by someone else

[-] RandomWordsssss -6 Point about a month ago

So what’s wrong with following trp but also trying to be a kind and respectful human being to others?

Shouldn’t that be part of our goal for self improvement? Getting laid does not equal self improvement.

[-] Camjd10 5 Points about a month ago

I didn't see the original comment, but from the context, it sounds like the commenters 'kindness' was actually just nice guy/white knight moralizing- which as we all know is not treating women with respect but attempting to manipulate them for sex through 'kindness'. The first rule of being a respectful human being is respecting your self, which requires not being taken advantage of. You can be a good guy and rail women, and most often the people who say that TRP philosophy breeds mean and disrespectful men are in fact envy filled and desperate for pussy.

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Edit: After reading the parent comment I see that your main concern is with manipulating the single mother. First and foremost I would say that moms aren't my thing, it's a little too Freudian for me- so I get it if you just have a general repulsion towards it. Second, this is, after all, a sub about sexual strategy for those of us who weren't born naturals. Providing a community that encourages self-improvement- and a focus on one's own value, while attempting to correct a feminized worldview. Finally, I would say that this innocent single mother-like most women, is, in fact, the manipulator.

But it's important to know that her having sex with you has little to do with how hot you are, and everything to do with manipulating you to commit and to provide for her and her offspring.

She perceives you as a source of beta stability and is looking to take advantage of you. This isn't a 'you vs. her' scenario, where you manipulate her, it's a 'you not letting her take advantage of you' scenario. You are reframing yourself in her eyes in order to achieve sexual success, the same way we hold a certain frame with all women. Again, I'm not really into the mom thing, but for those who are this would be another example of how to get from point A to B in a world where men are ignorant of women's true intentions.

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[-] TheRedPike 5 Points about a month ago

I didn't see the original comment

I restored it for the sake of discussion. Feel free to educate. You might want to address the other side of the equation where women get married and then promptly cut off sex.

[-] Imperator_Red 2 Points about a month ago

Finally, I would say that this innocent single mother-like most women, is, in fact, the manipulator.

She is, in fact, the master manipulator.

[-] VoxVirilis 1 Point about a month ago

So what’s wrong with following trp but also trying to be a kind and respectful human being to others?

Be kind and respectful with other men. Being kind and respectful with women is casting pearls before swine. At best it's wasted effort, more often than not it's counter-productive.

[-] momosauky 2 Points about a month ago

I agree you don't blatantly lie to women to get them to fuck you. If your truth is enough to steer her away then its her loss and you should move on to the next one.

[-] empatheticapathetic 1 Point about a month ago

Tell her you’re the pope. Who gives a fuck

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point about a month ago

My buddy told a chick that he was a dolphin trainer at Seaworld and took her home. Oh the humanity!!!

[-] empatheticapathetic 1 Point about a month ago

Won’t somebody please think of the dolphins.

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[-] Nis_law 2 Points about a month ago

So single moms can manipulate guys into providing their hard earned resources and guys aren't allowed to flip the tables on them?

[-] RandomWordsssss -5 Point about a month ago

No absolutely not. Two wrongs don’t make a right though

[-] DubbleFUPAwitCheez 1 Point about a month ago

All he recommends is presenting factual information. I have a good paying job, I like kids, I can take care of myself etc. and to not try to give the impression all you want to do is fuck.

When a customer comes into a business all they want is that person's money but do they say that? Do they act like that's all they want? No.

This is a guide for the guys who don't get much attention from the high value women but are on single mom's radars. It's about how to not get suckered by them and how to capitalize on the opportunity.

See my other comment here for why this post was valuable and though you might think what it propounds is despicable, the flip side is far worse. "Two wrongs don't make a right." that's a matter of perspective, letting a single mom have fun for awhile and forgetting her troubles seems like a service to me.

[-] BirdManBrrrr 1 Point about a month ago

Women are the gatekeepers of sex.

Men are the gatekeepers of commitment.

Both can be and are often weaponized--usually and especially sex--sometimes unconsciously but often very deliberately and women have mastered this much better than men ever could. And Single Mommy over there will absolutely weaponize her vagina for money and provision while feeling entitled for it at the same time.

I do agree with you on the morality and I wouldn't do it, but I'm not going to fault a guy for playing the exact. same. game. women play with impunity every single day if that meets his ends.

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point about a month ago

TRP is amoral. Single moms are trying to trick you into sticking around by providing you with sex, and you are trying to trick them into providing you with sex by implying that you'll stick around. Don't do it if it's against your moral code, but if it's not illegal it's fair game.