Check out this 'documentary' if you want to read all the stories: https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/vbmppm/we-asked-women-how-they-feel-about-casual-sex
Ali, 19 I didn't plan to have sex randomly. We were both tipsy, so it kind of just happened. I never expected it to go anywhere further or turning into anything "special." I would prefer sex in a committed relationship any day over casual sex. I would feel comfortable with the one I have a connection with and also will be sure about him not being a serial killer. If I do think casual sex could make me happy—I'd say for a few minutes when I orgasm—which isn't guaranteed by the way. I wouldn't call it happiness—maybe a transaction.
Lmao, the classic "it just happened".
Raylene, real estate agent, 21 I'm too young for a serious relationship but I come across guys who are really good looking, and there's a vibe between us. I do it for fun. It is fun. I never expect anything special out of it. I've never caught feelings for anyone during a hookup, and I know for a fact that I will not find a guy I want to settle down with through this route. Guys who want to have sex right after they meet you aren't usually the guys that want anything serious. Casual sex makes me happy if I'm sober. It's basically sex in general and also the fact I chose to do it, and nobody forced me. I would only hook-up with older and low-key guys because they wouldn't shit talk to the whole city. I also pray that they don't.
Read as in "I'm too young to settle before I finish riding the cock carousel".
Lina, communications coordinator, 25 It's addictive. Having sex with multiple men feels empowering for a while when you think everything is under your control. But then you ask yourself, OK what next? You become numb after a while, and you want just to settle. It's one of the worst kind of depressions where you feel lonely especially if you're insecure and emotional like me. There's a huge tendency that you'd end up settling for whatever you can get, and most of the times it is way less than you deserve. It just damages you.
Lina admits to ultimately having to settle for something "less than she deserves" lmao. After finishing riding the cock carousel of course.
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Lina is admitting that she will settle for a beta cuck. Funny when women say what we teach and nobody bats an eye. But when we preach redpill then everyone wants to shut us down. Alpha fucks beta bucks.
Orbiter45 5y ago
I'm not entirely sure I'd choose to discourage her thinking.
The average man is capable of more than the average women. Free sex kinda removes a man's motivation. The men that don't try, why should they get laid?
No matter how much men improve, women will always want more. Its probably some evolutionary trait. Only 20% of the men, can be in the top 20%. So when women instinctively only "deserve," the top 20%, it forces men to compete, and be the best version of themselves.
In a way, its like they are doing men a favor, by making sex so difficult, they need to be rescued.
panconquesofrito 5y ago
Lina’s is a perfectly example of covert communication. She’s saying it in a way that only other women can understand. We talk about this subject overtly, and this everyone can understand, including the blue pilled. Overt communication is scary to women, and thus suppressed.
antariusz 5y ago
We aren’t using their language, it’s a “heroic gentleman to rescue a lady as she gets older and her looks” not “beta cuck getting leftovers as a woman slams facefirst into the wall” and it’s “empowering” getting dicked down by lots of random men, but not a “cock carousel”.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Leftist idiocy knows no bounds.
Who else saw the news of the 6’3” 250 lb tranny handball player dominating the women’s league?
nem2k 5y ago
How about the Olympics?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/commonwealth-games/102966270/kiwi-transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbard-a-legal-and-ethical-mess-for-ioc
BobbyPeru 5y ago
This is how I took it also. I personally know women who will settle for a beta if they are ovulating and need a fuck. I’m married and don’t cheat on my wife, but I have a coupe women friends who openly discuss the cock carausel with me. They will settle for whatever they can get at times, and it’s a lingering regret usually
nofilmynofucky 5y ago
Yup. A guy I know only seems to get laid when there's a girl hanging around who one of the other boys rejected - we call him 'Backboard'. He's blue pill af and has zero game, bit of a bottom feeder tbh
There is no creature on earth with less predictable standards than a woman who is questioning her own SMV.
BobbyPeru 5y ago
I know a woman who I’d say is about a 5, 6 tops. Not someone I would fuck. But, she had big natural tits, and she gets into the swinger scene. She is like a unicorn in that scene since single women in their 30’s aren’t very common- at least according to her. So, she gets to feel like a 10. But, before she entered that scene, she did a lot of tinder. I remember one particular time she got blown off for a lay, and she had to go down a few pegs in SMV in order to find a last minute fuck. She said the guy was so beta that he “hardly even touched her.” I’d definitely put her in the slut category. She jokingly calls herself one- almost seems like she’s proud of it. But anytime I bring up that instance, she doesn’t want to relive it.
party_dragon 5y ago
The problem (that the MSM have with) with TRP isn’t so much the content, but the fact that the communication is targeted specifically towards men, and explicitly excludes women.
yomo86 5y ago
TRP stipulates the old actio/reactio paradigm. Her actions results in consequences for her, same for men. Thusly denying any excuse for bad behaviour or low performance.
H0tTamal3 5y ago
The problem the mainstream has against TRP is the fact that it teaches us to go against the feminine imperative. Any other reason is just a symptom of that fact.
DarkSyde3000 5y ago
What they despise about any anti-narrative discourse is the fact the people involved are opting out of mind control and what Hollywood considers "social norms." What tends to come out of it is normal, well adjusted, mentally healthy people. They hate that. They need manufactured outrage and brain damage to survive these days lol.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
So why are there so many movies with alpha male don juan with central role?
ThrowFader 5y ago
If you ask a rabid feminist those movies are evidence of the patriarchal male gaze lol
DarkSyde3000 5y ago
Why are those same roles being replaced by all women casts or the replacement of male heroes by female ones for no other reason than identity politics, is the question you should ask yourself. Ghostbusters, Ocean's 7, Star Wars, even the short run of the new Battlestar Gallactica replaced the one rogue womanizing character with wait for it, an actual woman. You'll continue to see this as time goes on even though these films and TV shows aren't hitting the mark with audiences. Yeah you get your male roles with leading man hero spots but you're also getting a lot of garbage on the side.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Plain right, just saying that there not only left/sissy/women movies/books/whatever out there. There actually a mix.
DarkSyde3000 5y ago
Well sure, but I think people are being turned off more and more by what Hollywood is producing these days. I sure don't watch it. If something good comes out I just watch the bootleg on kodi. I'm not going to give these people money lol.
curb_stomps_sjws 5y ago
Jesus... Why the FUCK should this be a problem? There are plenty of forums focused on women, and women's issues. Why shouldn't men have a place of their own?!
It reminds me of an interview I saw with Jordan Peterson. The feminist bitch interviewer was trying to shame him for appealing to an exclusively male audience, as if there is something wrong with that. As if there weren't a million youtube channels designed to appeal to women exclusively. FFS...
rosbergsessa420 5y ago
For the same reason why it's bad to be white, or non-muslim, or heterosexual. That's what retarded identity politics have created.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
You have to understand leftist ideology to understand why it is a problem. Leftist ideology states that the world can be separated into "oppressors" and "victims." So whites are oppressors and blacks and other races are victims. Males are oppressors and females are victims. Straights are oppressors and gays are victims. Wealthy are oppressors and poor are victims. Western countries are oppressors and all others are victims.
This oppressor/victim dichotomy explains virtually all human behavior in their minds. Any advantage that a group currently enjoys has come to pass by victimizing someone else. If you see the world this way, then it makes perfect sense to limit the rights of the oppressors in favor of the victims, because you are only righting past wrongs.
This ideology was created by Marxists in academia after they failed to bring communism to the west by their traditional means of encouraging working class to rise up against the ownership class. When this happened they re-branded their message into the cultural Marxist ideology that we see today.
I usually dismiss conspiracy theories which require coordinated action by groups of nefarious individuals over long periods of time, but unfortunately this one is 100% true. The Marxist academics saw that they could embed themselves in education system and operate with relative impunity there because of the special protections offered to academics via tenure and academic freedom. Once embedded they worked slowly and began methodically replicating themselves by influencing hiring decisions and indoctrinating the next generation of youth. They have done this rather effectively for the last 50 years, and they are only just now getting powerful enough to push their ideology into the public sphere.
This is the cultural conflict that we have been seeing for the last ten years or so. The Marxists have completed their capture of academia and are making tentative forays into the mainstream culture.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
I don't buy the organised conspiracy thing.
Anyway the ideology to limit the right of people today because of what other in their arbitrar group actually do or did hundred of years ago make no sence.
You don't punish random people for what other people did or do.
Fragosus 5y ago
Why does anyone want to push such an ideology? What do they benefit from it?
dettXXL 5y ago
As with all things - you can judge yourself, but just for the sake of broadening your view - listen to this interview: https://youtu.be/y3qkf3bajd4?t=3436 Especially the bit at 58:22 about how leftists only serve for one purpose - destabilization of a nation.
The left are blind. And it is easier to be a pussy.
When I think of what is going on in the world, this comes to my mind:
Fragosus 5y ago
It is scary how accurate the things are he describes.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
They either belong to one of the "victim" groups and wish to profit by it, or they have been convinced that the ideology is correct by their teachers and believe they are doing good, or they are using it to undermine society to achieve their socialist ends.
Fragosus 5y ago
The people who came up with the socialist ideology, what do they benefit from it? I can't find a good reason, do they just want to see the world burn?
DeCiB3l 5y ago
Socialism naturally develops in a society full of pussies. Those societies then naturally starve out.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
They think it's a good economic system.
dulkemaru51 5y ago
Anyone who ever came up with any ideology and took measures to implement and enforce it, did it for power. This is no exception.
guyau 5y ago
I think what he should have said is that it merely remains a male online community, unable to produce anything which would be taken seriously by academia.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Trolls are out in force today. Was there an interruption in the soy supply?
guyau 5y ago
Did I point out the uncomfortable truth that even the most educated members of the community have less of a grasp of critical sociology and philosophy than most grad students in women's studies?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
No, you didn't point that out. But I will point out that you have no grasp of evolutionary biology or history.
guyau 5y ago
Judging from threads where evolutionary psychology is discussed, I'm pretty sure I have a better grasp of the significance of evolutionary biology than the average user here (the relevance and scientific value of evolutionary psychology is less than most people here think). And just because you read the red Queen doesn't mean you now know 'evolutionary biology'.
Whisper 5y ago
That's fine. I have no desire to be taken seriously by academia, because academia is not worth taking seriously. The sole claim to intellectual authority of the humanities and certain social sciences is the acceptance they have been granted by others, rather than their ability to predict or produce results.
No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.
guyau 5y ago
The sophistication and depth of analysis, the extent of general knowledge is way higher in the average philosophy faculty member than the most educated member I've seen here. Do you think not understanding Marx, Adorno, Nietzsche, Lacan, Bourdieu and foucault actually helps you to better understand men and the male condition? unfortunately, Wikipedia, pop-science books and blogs don't replace a real education. Dont get me wrong, I can't stand the arrogance of the white middle class female academic more than the next person, but you're not going to compete with her by citing 'the red queen' and the rational male.
Whisper 5y ago
The universe does not care who is sophisticated and deep. It cares who is correct.
And beliefs only become knowledge if they are correct.
That is precisely what I am saying.
Marx's misunderstandings of the human condition resulted in the deaths of between 100 and 200 million people, and the oppression, slavery, and torture of untold millions more. The only useful thing we can learn from Marx is where he was wrong, and how to avoid being like him.
What you are doing in overvaluing academic philosophy is succumbing to the Narrative Fallacy. The narrative fallacy is the act of mistaking a hypothesis for a theory.
When you do science or, more broadly, when you do empiricism, what you do is generate a story that sounds reasonable, is persuasive, and explains all the observed facts. That's the hypothesis. But what you do then is make a prediction from it and test that prediction. If your hypothesis repeatedly makes accurate predictions, then, and only then, does it become a theory.
The people you are asking TRP to read are all intellectuals. What is an intellectual? An intellectual is someone whose work product is ideas. In other words, the intellectual comes up with a hypothesis, and rather than using empirical methods to test it, he uses rhetorical methods to proselytize it. Other intellectuals read, listen, and argue, and they are either persuaded or not.
But, at the end of the affair, intellectuals do not ever discover truth, because they do not test. And this would be fine... if people like you understood that the the role of the intellectual is to suggest possibilities, rather than discover truth or create understanding.
When you mistake reading the ideas of intellectuals for education or understanding, you commit the narrative fallacy... you believe that something is true because it sounds reasonable, rather than because it has withstood testing.
TRP is not very interested in intellectuals because TRP is empirical in nature. Does this idea about women better enable me to attract and influence them, or does it not? Our testing is ad-hoc, capricious, lacks control groups or any statistical rigour, but we are still better scholars of the female mind than any philosopher who ever set pen to paper because we test our ideas. It would be a step backwards for us to read Foucault, who has not been proven right, let alone Marx, who has repeatedly been proven wrong.
In fact, let's go meta on this.
You have a hypothesis that reading Marx would somehow help DudeBro McBackwardsBaseballHat. Instead of succumbing to the narrative fallacy, believing that's true because it sounds sensible, and trying to convince me of that with rhetoric... show me some evidence.
Show me some evidence that reading Marx has tangible benefits. In fact, we'll make it easy to you. Don't do Marx, he kills people. Do Foucault. Do Dirreda. Hell, do Schopenhauer if you want. Or Nietzsche. If you really want an easy one, do Locke or Marcus Aurelius. (Those I might give you.)
But I don't have cargo space for rhetoric. Show me results or quit wasting my time.
And, as a postscript, I have no interest in "competing" with your typical white (or black) middle class female academic. I don't have to. I can simply ignore her, because she doesn't actually have the capability to do anything. All she can produce is arguments, which are only significant if you voluntarily pay attention to them. Which I see no reason for doing.
Arguments are not won by arguing.
They are bypassed when you stop arguing and build something that demonstrates your point.
Exempla gratis, I made TRP.
I have objectively and indisputably helped a lot of young bros get laid, and more importantly gain control over their lives. The outcome of this particular argument between you and me doesn't matter, because after it is over, regardless of the outcome, I will still be in charge of TRP and have a readership who knows I have something useful to say, and you will still be an unknown voice crying in the wilderness.
Why? Because I built something that demonstrates my point, and you haven't (yet). I would be more than glad if you would endevour to convince me by going and doing so.
guyau 5y ago
I'll leave the (ignorant) oft-repeated cliché on Marx and superficial 'fallacy' slinging on the side. Firstly, if by empiricism you mean knowledge is grounded in experience, I'm not going to disagree with you there. The difference is that I have access to the experience of countless men who are better and more and intelligent than me because I surmounted the superficial boundaries that would otherwise prevent me from understanding someone from a different time and socio-cultural situation. Because Im lucky enough to have a received an education that allows me to read Montaigne in the original french, Im lucky enough to be able to enter into the thoughts and experiences of a man who felt, saw and experienced more than any of the pampered middle-class men in the early 20's that post on here. But if you mean you that TRP is empirical because it tests its hypotheses and is in the business of predicting, well at that point you've either fallen into the trap of vulgar scientism (or pseudo-science even) or you don't know what TRP really is. If TRP is just another technique or means to get more girls, I can agree testing and prediction makes sense (but lets not pretend its anything above bro science in this case). But I don't think TRP is that (in what way would it be different to all that seduction/game bullshit that dominated the 00's?). If you look at the men who post here, they're desperate to live a meaningful life and they want to know what being a man, and man's relationship to women, play in all that. If that's what TRP is, predictions and tests make no sense. There's no one magic formula which you can give a guy that suddenly produces the 'result' meaningful life. The point is to give men the categories, the distinctions, the concepts, the fundamental approaches that open up a new relationship to himself and to his experience that is totally new and absolutely specific to him. Experience is always already organized according to our ideas and concepts, so the work to be done takes place precisely at the a priori level, prior to experience. It's about enlarging what he thinks is possible, thinkable; it's about showing how incredibly more complex everything is and at the same time making all that complexity meaningful, understandable and not out of his power and essentially different. His life becomes more intense, his love and energy for life grows: life begins to be something definitely worth living. Your half-baked evolutionary psychology theories aren't going to help there. They're more likely to make him dumber.
Whisper 5y ago
So, in other words, you have nothing.
No evidence that reading Derrida is more useful than reading Star Wars fan fiction. Just a torrent of rhetoric about why I "should" believe you. And if I choose to ignore you, there's nothing you can do.
That which does not function without faith is a religion. Which is what you, son, are practicing.
guyau 5y ago
You're so obsessed with function and means (the easy part) that you've neglected what the means are in view of (which is a lot more difficult). I imagine working out the best way to fuck chicks is a bit of fun; working out why fucking heaps of chicks is worth it is a bit more difficult (and perhaps raises questions you don't want to answer). Reflecting on ends, the why you're obsessed with all this shit, is completely out the reach of your ugly pragmatic philosophy.
dulkemaru51 5y ago
One can verify RP theory in the field. That's in fact what has been and is being done, hence the constant remodelling of the theory.
Compete with her at what? Different ball parks. TRP is confirmed by one's own experience, it's psychology boiled down to very simple concepts. Sure, get a classical education (I still wouldn't recommend women's studies), no one's denying (at least I'm not) the effectiveness of cross-learning and that a well-deserved degree in philosophy can and will aid you in understanding women. But, again, different ball parks; you aren't taught AF/BB, the lightswitch effect or the workings of the hamster in college, not to speak of frame, A&A and kino.
Those latter examples, you can verify in the field. Years of doing so + questionable scientific sources has resulted in RP theory. That's true, but it works. If the same amount of resources that academia possesses was invested into TRP, it would produce serious results. We know that because we have common sense, because we see that it works... A 14-year-old who starts to question the innate differences in intelligence between the races, will not be taken seriously, he still isn't, but everyone knows that he's right, and we all know that the evidence would be quite clear within a few days if academia poured a billion dollars into it.
pbar 5y ago
==> First, that's a very awkward phrasing, and no one claimed that "not understanding" Marx et al helps one to "better understand men" etc. Second: wait, so a "real education" consists of reading these guys? Neitzsche aside, I'm not sure what any of them said that's worth more than a five-minute Wikipedia article. I'm not in general proud of my ignorance, but everything I've ever read about them has convinced me that it is not worth reading more, that there are much more fruitful fields of study. Ars longa, vita brevis, and we can't read everything.
Marx, for example, has a theory which academics seem to find very wonderful, although an intelligent ten-year-old who runs a lemonade stand could probably explain why it won't work, and every time it is attempted another pile of corpses results. TRP "theory", if you can call it that, is probably not so elegant, but it seems to be helping a lot of men in their dealings with women, with minimal corpses.
Looking around at the wreckage that is postmodern academia, I'm not sure why anyone would hold it up as an exemplar or guide to life. I'm sure you're right that TRP "theorists" cannot compete with feminist academics when arguing about feminist academic issues. Who cares? My plumber also can't solve differential equations. Actually considering the state of the academy, that's a bad analogy...because differential equations have their uses. A better one would be, "My plumber is not well-versed in the arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. And he doesn't need to be."
Lastly: "The sophistication and depth of analysis, the extent of general knowledge is way higher in the average philosophy faculty member than the most educated member I've seen here." I imagine you're right. But I know many highly educated people. It is possible to be highly educated, extremely sophisticated...and utterly lost when it comes to real human interactions. In fact it's pretty common.
guyau 5y ago
So you have absolutely no knowledge of philosophy, history and literature yet somehow you know that they're useless? I don't think you can be more of an anti-intellectual philistine than that. Why is Marx relevant? You may have noticed that men work, that their lives are above all determined by how they put food on their tables. Marx and the theorists who followed his approach provide the tools to understand how this happens. Marx aside, Nietzsche, Rousseau, Hegel, Freud, Lacan, Lawrence (i could go on) are all men who wrestled with the same problem which is at the bottom of TRP; but because of the anti-intellectualism and myopia of community members like you, many of the younger members are missing out on a wealth of knowledge and wisdom from men who over the centuries have provided answers (or at least the tools for answering) the very same issues they're trying to work through. TRP isn't helping men because it eschews philosophy and literature, it's helping men despite that it eschews them; and it would help men even more if people who actually have a broader knowledge and culture than fucking 'field reports' posted on forums contributed. But they won't contribute as long as people like you promote this knee jerk anti-intellectualism. And oh, I hope my english is more palatable this time; you know, I'm french so english isn't my first language. But I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the frustrations of expressing oneself in a second language!
pbar 5y ago
So you have absolutely no knowledge of philosophy, history and literature yet somehow you know that they're useless? ==> I never said anything of the kind. That is a very careless reading of what I said.
I don't think you can be more of an anti-intellectual philistine than that. ==> See above.
Why is Marx relevant? You may have noticed that men work, that their lives are above all determined by how they put food on their tables. Marx and the theorists who followed his approach provide the tools to understand how this happens. ==> If Marx understood so well how food is put on the table, why have his followers been such miserable failures at so doing?
Marx aside, Nietzsche, Rousseau, Hegel, Freud, Lacan, Lawrence (i could go on) are all men who wrestled with the same problem which is at the bottom of TRP; ==> Getting women?
but because of the anti-intellectualism and myopia of community members like you, ==> Again, not anti-intellectual. I am nearsighted, though. They tell me it is a result of reading too much as a child, including during a bout of measles. Perhaps that is an old wives tale, though. Myopia correlates with high IQ, you know.
many of the younger members are missing out on a wealth of knowledge and wisdom from men who over the centuries have provided answers (or at least the tools for answering) the very same issues they're trying to work through. ==> Again, Marx and Foucault gave us tools to deal with women?
TRP isn't helping men because it eschews philosophy and literature, it's helping men despite that it eschews them; ==> Is that true? I've read a lot of stuff on here urging young men to read the Stoic philosophers. I'm not sure where else one can go on the popular interwebs to find that sort of advice.
and it would help men even more if people who actually have a broader knowledge and culture than fucking 'field reports' posted on forums contributed. ==> I'd like to believe this, because I grew up steeped in the idea that "the unexamined life is not worth living," and that such examination was to be conceived in academic terms. But I now see no reason to believe this, because in my experience there seems to be no relationship between academic ability and ability to deal with people in the real world, except possibly an inverse one.
But they won't contribute as long as people like you promote this knee jerk anti-intellectualism. ==> Again, my not being interested in your particular field of interest, and not having faith in your particular brand of philosophy, does not make me anti-intellectual. I am skeptical of Marx, and more than skeptical of what I believe are called the post-moderns, based, as I admitted, on limited knowledge of them. I am much more interested in what men like Marcus Aurelius and the Greek poets and playwrights said (or did) in their lives, and when I read about them, I want to know and read more. When I read about Marx, Foucault, etc, it does not resonate with me, it rings false in every way; there is, to me, no germ of truth or reality in it that makes me want to know more. That is why I do not pursue that particular study. There is nothing knee-jerk about it. If your view is that to be considered an intellectual, one must love Marx and Foucault, then I am not one. But that seems to me a very narrow-minded definition.
And oh, I hope my english is more palatable this time; you know, I'm french so english isn't my first language. ==> Your English is fine and I am guilty of a gaucherie for criticizing it; in fact I thought you were a native speaker. But my objection was not so much to the flow of the sentence as to the logical error contained in it.
But I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the frustrations of expressing oneself in a second language! ==> "Someone like me" was married to a European woman for twenty years, and knows all about it.
You know, it really won't do to just accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being stupid and uninformed. Convince me, convince us all. I would be delighted if you could tell me what these people you cite have said, that you find so valuable in your relationships. Why don't you just tell us that, and perhaps we will all turn and follow you, and them.
guyau 5y ago
We're perhaps more on the same page than we both realize then. As I said to Whisper, I don't think TRP is just another recipé book to get laid: in what way then is it different to the game and all those seducation manuels? Perhaps this is my idiosyncratic take on the community, but from where I'm standing TRP is about men trying to understand where their masculinity and relationship to women stand in their attempt to lead a meaningful life. Maybe 'techniques' for getting more women play a role in all that, but i can't imagine it being a big one. The goal should be to give men the knowledge, the disctinctions, the concepts, and tools of analysis, the experiences that create a new relationship to himself and to women, thereby creating the grounds on which meaning can develop. A vital part of this, and something Whisper seems to ridicule me for, is establishing a dialogue with the best men who also happened to write. When I read Montaigne, Pascal, Shakespeare, Homer, I'm thrown into a conversation with someone who has thought, felt, experienced, seen more than I could hope for. I learn from that, they elevate me to a plane from which my problems take on a new shape. They also give me the concepts and perspectives that make my own experience more intelligible. I'd give all of the TRP for a page of Nietzsche's aphorisms on women. Ive learnt more from him than I have from this whole movement. While i can understand that Foucault or Derrida (who i don't appreciate anyway) may not be as enlightening to some as they are to others, appropriating the concepts, theories, wealth of knowledge that the tradition contains should be encouraged. The caricature of evolutionary psychology which seems to have established itself as orthodoxy here is limited and blinds most of us to the full reality of the male condition and our relationship to women. I'm not saying it doesn't have its place, but it is far from deserving of occupying all the place available. And the only reason why I think it occupies more place than it should is because it's easy. And that brings me precisely to my original point: TRP has to grow up, has to do the intellectual work, so to speak, and educate itself. Field reports and all that are all well and good, but if no one has the intellectual tools to elucidate them, to put them into perspective, they might as well not be posted in the first place.
Omnibrad 5y ago
The content is the exact problem.
The content of this is "well, you've done stupid things while drinking, haven't you?" TRP teaches the real content: she's a complete slut who fucked an attractive guy, but will never take responsibility for her own actions and choices to be a slut.
nebder 5y ago
Shes a slut yet youd write up a FR if you smashed
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JohnnySixguns 5y ago
I’d argue that THIS is the problem the main stream media has with TRP: the judgement.
Calling this woman a “slut” when she’s just doing the same thing as her male partner.
The problem is that the MSM wants women to be judged equally in the outcome, but they don’t recognize the sheer inequality in the sexual transaction / dynamics that exist BEFORE the hookup. You know...the point at which ALL of the power and the decision about having sex belongs to the female.
TL;DR: Women want to have their cake and eat it too. And to hell with you for judging them as sluts when they do.
ThrowFader 5y ago
Well to be honest, its not at all the same thing. Women are not men. Women don't have sex like men. Gatekeepers and all that.
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Men can't be sluts in the same way women can. Lurk more...
yomo86 5y ago
It's not the judgement of being a slut it is the possibility of making a judgement denying her the victim role.
Omnibrad 5y ago
And "she's just doing the same thing as her male partner" is a judgment in and of itself. This is a judgment they want us to accept so we stop forming judgments of our own.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
i encourage them to fuck as much as humanly possible. if they don't care, neither do i.
that's for their future husbands to deal with... a pussy that looks like a war zone in iraq.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Uh, plus it’s like acid to the social fabric and leads time and time again to the dissolution of once great societies/civilizations. Hypergamy must be kept in chains for high culture to flourish.
greenlittleman 5y ago
Sluts is short version of "unsuitable for any long term relationships with someone other than beta cuck". And if we talk about social value then man having a lot of sex partners become higher in value, woman who having a lot of sex partners become lower in value. So no, they are not doing same thing.
JohnnySixguns 5y ago
Right. That’s the dynamic women want to change...but it will NEVER change.
Women are like cars and men are the drivers. We’ll come back to this analogy in a bit.
Men and women are NOT equal. They are different.
Some men will always be considered “higher value” based on their ability to convince women to give up the single most valuable thing they possess in the heterosexual relationship dynamic: access to their bodies.
Women will ALWAYS be considered higher value when they restrict and limit that access.
Sure...in a club or on a night out, it may seem that men may place a higher value on a slut, just as sometimes men need a rental car.
But the long term relationship market can be likened to the automobile market. Men place a premium on a new car, or a gently pampered used car with extremely low mileage.
Women place a higher value on a skilled race driver who knows his way around high-end sports cars and knows how to handle a powerful machine. They place less value on the guys who drive Ford Fiestas and other low end cars...but in the end, they’ll settle for any beta cuck who’ll put gas in their tank.
It’s a fact of life and it will never change. High mileage sluts will always be treated like the rental cars they are.
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Omnibrad 5y ago
Being offended by honest, direct language is BP matrix thinking.
_new-dawn0x2 5y ago
Wrong. Women are labelled sluts because they are the gatekeepers of sex and can get it in the blink of an eye. Men are labelled studs as they have to fucking work for it.
Are you sure you took the right pill, dude?
BobbyPeru 5y ago
So, you are saying because they can get sex easily, there is something wrong with them if they do have a lot of sex? The difference is if men could get sex easily they would probably become more selective like woman, so I agree to an extent. Most of these women just liked sex- it’s when they stop being selective , then I’d say you might label her a slut. But, then, do you think it’s important to ask why a woman becomes a slut? The problem with the word slut is it has such a negative connotation from the 70’s, 80’s, and even the 90’s. So the question becomes at what point does a woman become a slut? And... do the reasons matter? I don’t know the answers to all these questions... but my point is I think it’s a lot more complex than to just label a woman a slut or not a slut.
ThrowFader 5y ago
I think being a slut is characterized by behavior and attitudes, rather than amount of people you fuck.
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You can have sluts with low n counts.
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That's also why the male version of a slut is a BB cuck.
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They are easily dispensing the only value they really have.
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Resources and commitment vs femininity and sex.
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Don't be so hasty to defend sluts. Male or female.
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
The concept of a slut exists because of biology. A female is assured of her parentage because she bears the child during pregnancy. A human baby is helpless for a very long time because our brains take a long time to develop, and so a mother requires resources from a man to help her raise the child. Yet a man does not know he is the father of a child, so he instinctively reels away from committing love and resources to a woman who displays slutty behavior, as this reduces the chance that the child is his.
This is very basic tenet of TRP and human biology. Stop commenting until you have read the sidebar and fully internalized this concept.
BobbyPeru 5y ago
You missed the point completely. The main question is how do you determine what is slutty behavior in the age of social media, where a woman can easily have sex with many men as still maintain a “good girl” image since it is under the radar. Furthermore, using vague statements like “displays slutty behaviors “ is not helpful unless you define it , even if it’s just a little bit. Perhaps I didn’t make that simple enough for you to understand
If you read more basic sidebar like Rollo, you’d know that “sluts” don’t generally hang out in bars for everyone to see anymore. I know of a couple sluts that maintain such a good girl image that you’d never guess. So, your theory on evolution might be valid, but it’s not that observable in this day and age.
ThrowFader 5y ago
Slut is one that has an internal urge to easily dispense their main source of value for low cost.
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You can hide this tendency, but it is still there. It leaves an undeniable trail if you search for it.
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You can love sex, have a lot of it, and still not be a slut.
BobbyPeru 5y ago
Ok I like to hear various angle and opinions. That seems logically strong
Cheburashka91 5y ago
In other news, water is wet
dulkemaru51 5y ago
Lina's pair-bonding ability is probably like that of an infant. /s
edit: and her "way less than you deserve" means way less than you would want in a perfect world. She feels it so she deserves it. It's science.
DeontologicalSanders 5y ago
Ugh. "Deserves". The worst word in all the English language.
You could almost say it's inherently female. It allows women to say "I want this, and I should have it", but without ever having to explain why. If a woman says "I've earned this", you can point to evidence that might dictate that she hasn't. If she says "it's only fair that I get this", guess what? Everyone knows life isn't fair.
But when the term "deserve" is used, it makes her claim irrefutable. You don't have to qualify for something you deserve. It's linked to your intrinsic value. Does she have intrinsic value? Does she have outstanding and unique qualities that make her worthy of an exceptional man's time and attention? By using the word "deserve", not only does she never have to answer that question; it's a question you can never even ask without casting doubt on her intrinsic value as a person, and coming off as a complete dick.
It's plausible deniability encapsulated.
whatsthisgarg 5y ago
Another brilliant observation from one of my favorite commenters, exposing sophistry.
trele_morele 5y ago
I have taken the red pill, and I find these topics interesting but I always wonder why we need to question women's choices? We know they do stuff but why is it so important to drill down on why they do it? If I'm rejected by a woman I don't go into hamster mode and make up fantasies about how she's chosen another Chad over me, etc. I don't care. I don't give a shit about those women. Do we get some sort of satisfaction from "proving" some women that they're bitches?
the99percent1 5y ago
Notice how the younger women subtly hint at enjoying casual sex?
By the time she's 25 she will be a full blown slut willing to jam as many cocks down her throat. AWALT
OhUncleT-Bag 5y ago
Only what has actually happened at 25 is:
Women are irrational creatures.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Women have become so pathetic. I almost feel bad for them. Almost.
Press2ForEnglish 5y ago
LOL my grandmother was married and pregnant with my father by 21.
Great job feminism.
sealift 5y ago
Sounds about right. I like Raylene's concern about "shit talk to the whole city" as an excuse to choose Alpha-ness. (Older and low-key)
MrTrizzles 5y ago
These are the girls that you will be fucking. I'm not sure of the wisdom of building up resentment for them before you even meet them.
xerotolerance879 5y ago
Women project their intentions in plain sight. The red pill just makes us realize how bad it is.
SKRedPill 5y ago
This website is called "The Vice" for a very apt reason. These are the same guys who published some of the most damning stuff about TRP regularly.
Entitled hamsters spinning furiously alright.
SnowMonkeyCracker 5y ago
The site is not called "The Vice".
SKRedPill 5y ago
All hamstering aside, just look at the 38 year old lady's reaction vs the much younger cases.
WallyHotvedt 5y ago
crippling fear of slut shaming from other women/friends. This is why providing her plausible deniability is so important
yep, don't make a big deal out of the journey, just sprinkle it with a bit of "magical thinking" along the way
SirKolbath 5y ago
You forgot to mention the way they hamster it. It’s all “empowering”. It doesn’t affect the connection they’ll have to the “one”. And don’t forget “all my girlfriends are doing it, too!”
DarkSyde3000 5y ago
The empowering thing is laughable. That word has been severely skewed these last few years. It's like when I see women take pictures of them and all their co-workers at work and then under the picture it says "Empowered Women."
You're not empowered, all you did was literally just show up for work.
unn4med 5y ago
Lmao. So true. Thanks for the laugh.
warlordchad 5y ago
To piggyback on this, a recent article in the NY Times Modern Love section is a woman writing about how she prefers a dominant man to the beta she married before. Guy sounds red pilled AF.
Yeurruey 5y ago
How does a man be part of the cock carousel and not a beta with whom women settle down after getting miles of dick down their holes?
Is your level of testosterone the only determining factor?
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Flpgneves 5y ago
We want to be hoes while we can, fuck brainless jacked assholes that treat us like shit and then find a nice loving man-wallet that truly "deserves" us, does everything for our precious existence while we make no sacrifices at all. And we don't want to be judged by doing this.
Just typical women behavior nowadays.
p3n1x 5y ago
And why not?
Being lazy is an option for both sexes in todays world. Think of it like a Yellowstone bear eating all of their meals out of a dumpster. Pretty safe and genius from the bears perspective.
As a man, just make sure you aren't the dumpster. At the same time, accept the fact that the world is full of dumpsters.
Casd12 5y ago
If I was a chick I would do the same shit, win win
Bruchibre 5y ago
Hamster Translation: I’m getting it from an alpha and I’m not waiting for you Mr Beta.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
Could you clarify? I don’t understand
Bruchibre 5y ago
I’m saying that this girl is a bitch and impersonates AFBB. Because apparently she fucks Alphas (I take what I need how empowering) and isn’t waiting for the man to be ready to commit (this applies to Betas indeed)
Nicolas0631 5y ago
I don't think she fuck necessarily only alpha. Maybe a few. But quite likely she fuck beta too, get paid restaurants and all on top. She just want the good think and don't want to settle.
Saberinbed 5y ago
This sounds like some mgtow shit. Women like sex just as much as we men do. I can honestly agree with every post the girls say, especially the last one. Sure casual sex is fun with a bunch of girls, but you will get depressed and would want to eventually settle down with someone right? This sub is mostly filled with bitter incels right now.
sh0t 5y ago
most TRP and mgtow are incels in denial
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
Not just as much. This just as much is bp thinking. Women love validation perhaps much more. Sex is means to get that.
BluntMFer 5y ago
Seriously. They can’t just enjoy women.
itsjustsimon- 5y ago
Dude, why are you here? Just marry one of the single post-wall moms with N count of 100. We'll be glad! WIN-WIN for all!
Let me be brief: the more dicks woman had, the harder is for her to pair-bond long term ( we have studies on this ).
Redpill understanding comes to you when you're prepared. You and all the cucks liking your post are clearly not.
Saberinbed 5y ago
Did i say settle with a post wall women? I’m just explaining their reasoning for their so called “whoring out”. Obviously you need to screen the girl you’re going to be with.
itsjustsimon- 5y ago
Yeah man, just ask her how many dicks she had before you'll marry her and she'll tell you the exact number.
"explaining". Somehow shaming men being incels is OK, shaming women being whores is not OK.
Dude, you're full of shit.
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adool444 5y ago
The girls usually ask me. Most of my gfs have slept with more people than me too.
Saberinbed 5y ago
If you can’t properly screen a girl you’re trying to wife up, you need to work on yourself then. You can get a rough idea about what kind of girl she was just by judging her off of her past, her friends, and you know, if you have an honest girl, she will tell you these things. If you suspect she is lying to you about her n count, why would you even wife her up or LTR her in the first place?
And i’m shaming the incels because what most of this sub does is complain that girls sleep with multiple guys. Yeah dude, no shit they do. There is a difference between a girl who sleeps with a few guys a year, than a girl who sleeps with dozens. You shame women regardless of how many dudes they slept with, and if it exceeds x amount, she can’t “pair bond” according to one study that you found on the internet.
I am not saying it is ok or not ok to slut shame women. I don’t care what you say about them. All i’m saying is that you guys are acting bitter and just cant accept the fact that women like sex, its normal to fuck different people. Stop being bitter and good luck finding that holy virgin saint who only slept with 3 when shes 25.
adool444 5y ago
What if she's honest and you don't like how high it is? Not high enough to completely discount her but just have some disgust.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 5y ago
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
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celtiberian666 5y ago
You missed the whole point. No problem liking sex. They are what they are.
The thing is, all that quotes are filled with the same things said here. But when a girl openly talks like that about the cock carousel, AF/BB (and even that one about becoming numb, you can already tell she have that thousand cock stare), no one bats an eye. We do it, to help other man know what they want and help them navigate around this world, "omg this is a hate sub".
Saberinbed 5y ago
They want sex with good looking guys and want to settle down with a faithful guy...? Whats the difference between what we want? We want sex with hot women, and settle down with a nice faithful girl. If you don’t live under a cave and actually leave your house and interact with females and have female friends, you would know what they want.
The only thing i could see people getting upset about is the type of guys some young women like to settle down with, and its the abusive idgaf about you type of guy who cheats on them and leaves, but thats just certain girls and you need to accept that some girls grew up without father figures and are just fucked in the head, I know a lot of guys who are just as crazy, if not more crazy than women.
And idk man i feel like i’m starting to see trp more or so in less black and white than before. Some people take being AF/BB too extreme here. I feel like you need to find a nice balance to really mold what type of person you really want to become. Going towards one side and being too AF/BB can really ruin you as a person.
p3n1x 5y ago
Slow your "we" roll with that "settle down with xxx" shit.
You might want to settle, WE do not.
TRP teaches you how you can have all the common things that comes along with settling down, without having to actually do it.
You are literally asking a question about Disneyland. Why is bluepill fantasy OK and not the female fantasy? wtf
You are being the champion of fantasy. What they want and what bluepill men want, is black and white. Bravo.
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wobbleelbbow 5y ago
Typical male feminists who thinks he's red pilled
Saberinbed 5y ago
Take your beliefs to the real world and see how dumb you look man. Spew this to normal functioning people who actually do get laid (dudes) and see what they say. I agree with everything TRP says about women. Its just some people like to be bitter about it instead of just accepting things for the way they are. I know women are whores. They get to sleep around more than men on average. We gotta treat them the way they deserve to be treated, and its to not give a fuck about them, which is the exact opposite of what this sub does.
Killmepls2018 5y ago
You just dont understand trp. The thing is we men can be faithful, we can chose one girl for life. We understand rational decisions and moral/philosophy. The problem is when we get beta and chose only one women and stay faithful and boring (beta) we will lose this girl because women are hypergamous and just want an alpha. Thats the dilemma. There is nothing wrong with women riding the cock carousel but for ffs be honest and accept that you are a cocksucking slut and dont expact any beta male to accept your used body. I could ramble more about evolutional psychology and the difference between women and men. But thats too much. Enjoy women and sluts and sex but dont get used for bb and be someones second choice after she hit the wall. Thats under our dignity. Thats the reason why we dont marry.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I'm a normal functioning dude who gets laid. I say you have no idea what you're talking about.
think_9090909 5y ago
No. Men and women are not exactly the same.
Sleeping around tends to be much more damaging for women for a variety of reasons. A big one (for example) is that it damages their ability to pair bond a lot more than for men.
There is a reason why women with high notch counts are much less desirable than fresh virgins/low notch count girls. The same isn't true for men at all. In fact, men with a lot of experience tend to be more attractive to women. Why do you think that is? Do you really think it's because men are all insecure pussies/incels? Should we all just man up and marry 35 y/o used up sluts?
MeLVeNe 5y ago
Wouldn't that also make them more liable to cheat, especially since they too slept around before getting married?
celtiberian666 5y ago
Talking strictly in evolutionary psychology terms, there is no problem for woman to be cheated by an alpha. She will still get the top genes she wants and pass her genes foward. Being cheated is way more critical for man, as it can make him spend resources on the child of another man and don't pass his genes foward. Most of the woman are not high enough in the SMV scale to make an alpha really settle down, so her optimal strategy is AF/BB: acquire top genetic material from an alpha and resources from a beta.
MeLVeNe 5y ago
But she will have to share the resources and status. And in the worst cases, lose the man entirely and raise the child alone. We know this means less chance of a successful upbringing.
celtiberian666 5y ago
After securing the genes, she can go after resources, like a low-smv thirsty beta. She won't be happy, but evolutionary strategy is about passing her genes foward mingled with the best possible male genes she can get inside her, not about hapiness.
nem2k 5y ago
Raising the child alone isn't a problem anymore when government provides a beta bucks safety net
MeLVeNe 5y ago
LOL as if that's enough especially in a place like the US. Besides, the benefits of a two parent home to the well-being of a child are well-documented.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
But the genes got their way. If the man get cheated, his genes don't get around.
It is about what work, not what is "nice". If the girl make another girl as a child that will behave like her mom, a quite successful strategy for transmiting genes, that just fine.
Whatever the cheated man and how well he raise the child of another man, it didn't pass his genes. Whatever positive he add to pass to the genetic pool is wasted. He failed.
TurdFerguson812 5y ago
I think the point here is that she still has a (beta) husband to provide resources and a 2-parent household
celtiberian666 5y ago
She will get it, using a beta-bucks low-smv schmuck for that.
Thats is clear was water. Thats also why single moms with young children don't want a single dad: they want his resources focused just on her and her offspring. In exchange for that they engage in transactional sex. I had linked a thread in other comment about single moms but it seems reddit automod removed it, there is plenty of texts about it here, search and learn.
HillsOfMars 5y ago
Wdym can you explain more explicitly
boomcheese44 5y ago
Majority of this reddit is bitter, maybe self absorbed incels. No one wants to settle down at 19. Your brain isnt even developed until you are 26.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
At 26, your brain start to get old, you capacity to learn new things is a fraction of what it was, and basically who you are and a big share of your life is already decided.
Your physical capacity are already reduced and if you are a woman, your fertility start to shrink. People that wait to much because statistically unable to settle. They have serial divorse or only short relations. By 30 clearly the first aspect of becoming older become visible and other people see it. It is even worse for womens.
I don't say settle at 19, necessarily, but if you play arround too much as man or woman, you are far less likely to be able to settle later own. That's not an issue by itself, it is not like you have to settle anyway. But if you want a family and all stuff related to that, getting as much sex from as many people from 18 to 25 isn't going to help you. If anything you'd have trained yourself to not care, to change as the first problem that may arise rather than trying to build something long lasted.
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We are habits, there no such things are keeping the behavior you ultimately don't want and hoping it will just disapear by itself. The more you do it, the harder it become to change. And it is valid for both sex.
boomcheese44 5y ago
Oh come on. Do you guys live real lives?
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dbz0x 5y ago
Never lose sight of the truth men.
BurnoutRS 5y ago
Do people drink alcohol because it lowers your inhibitions? Or do people drink alcohol because they know it lowers their inhibitions and this gives them an easy out for acting a bit more outrageously than they might normally.
Pretty sure its the latter for most people, especially with women. "I wanna make a stupid decision but I should get drunk first so if anyone confronts me about it I can just say how wasted I am"
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Some people just believe that if you let yourself act without proper control of your action whenever the circonstances, you are permanently wasted. If you can get drunk and fuck random people or maybe get into a fight or whatever else stupid behavior, you shall be avoided all the time. Nobody know when it will happen again.
wanker7171 5y ago
It’s the same here on Reddit. A guy had a 1k+ upvoted post talking about the motivation behind girls who post in gonewild etc. I made a comment about it being exactly how someone from TRP would explain it and I got like -200. Most of the time it’s people having preconceived notions about what these things are. It’s why you can’t explain TRP to anyone because they’ll think “OH he’s one of those people”
DarkSyde3000 5y ago
It's why you can't explain a lot of things to folks these days about anything that falls outside the spectrum of their own reality. They will resist it, attack you, and then go lay on the floor in the fetal position and proceed to have a panic attack.
Frich3 5y ago
i always get downvoted to fuck in places like relationships.... but i feel bad for you getting -200 lmao most ive gotten is -26. people hate to hear the truth
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Think what you want inside, but be all about what is in fashion and accepted by the society outside.
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wickedc0ntender 5y ago
Link to the aforementioned post bro?
trimaa 5y ago
Same, please DM me if you or anyone has the link
kiwifx 5y ago
So proud of the women in my country right now. This is the face of the decline I'm enjoying.
Pooptrition 5y ago
Cherry picked a little, no? A good number of the women in the article were opposed to casual sex; one waited FIVE YEARS in a relationship for marriage. Most of them had casual sex experiences, but it struck me how so many regret it.
RedHoodhandles 5y ago
Yes he cherry picked. Your 5 year cherry got railed by chad at a frat party. Don't leave that one out, too.
And of course they sooner or later all regret it. Their pair bonding ability and SMV is decreasing and with it, the ability to attract/induce commitment by their highest SMV fuck, as well as feeling anything for a guy who is 'appropriate' for their SMV.
SteelToeShitKicker 5y ago
This guy RTFA. I skimmed it for this, it's true. Sucks to be that 5 year guy.
politeAndLevelHed 5y ago
Called "not taking responsibility for one's actions".
Pooptrition 5y ago
It's not like they're blaming someone else for the sex they've had. I've regretted some of my casual partners - and im a more selective about who I sleep with now out of respect for myself. I don't see how its a responsibility thing.
BoringNormalGuy 5y ago
This is because you missed the point many of the girls made. They think sex is transactional and that having sex with someone is supposed to make them commit to you. They are sad because after the sex, the guy didn't commit. These women aren't getting what they want.
Pooptrition 5y ago
That seemed so for some of the women. But if we are taking what they say at face value, many also stated that their motivation was as simple as the sex felt more pleasurable in a relationship.
SKRedPill 5y ago
I'd aver that the rationalization hamster is blue pill conditioning for women.
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noupdown 5y ago
It's the same shit for guys too. The genders could literally be reversed and all would be true. Enjoy your youth and fuck as many people as you so please. When you get older, everyone naturally thinks of "oh shit, I should probably become what everyone wants me to become" which is married with a respectable signifant other who no longer parties and showing skin on social media. What's the point of this? This isn't red pill thinking...its just regular social norms that have been in place since forever.
awoke11 5y ago
No, men and women are very different.
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losectrl 5y ago
Damn, this place is cucked.
Anyway, bait taken, the point of sharing is that Vice is read by feminists and soy-boys. The key take out here is that, a pro-femist content creator is redpilling soy-boys about AF/BB.
But hilariously, most of the male audience will miss that, and continue to be nice guys, waiting for their special snowflake. And they will find her, when 'Lina' is 28 and 'ready'.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Yep. Time for another purge?
sh0t 5y ago
TRP has been cucked since day 0
chrisname 5y ago
Who cares? This is petty, just get yours.
Obediah_Stane 5y ago
This is valuable insight into the way women think. They will justify their actions and thoughts with any means available. Best thing to do, even in a seemingly stable relationship, is to cultivate a nice palette of options and apply a large dosage of dread game.
russian_nigger 5y ago
women love dick.. shocking. guys like pussy.. also shocking. gtfo with this incel shit
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