A couple of months after my oneitis unicorn ruined my past life as Billy Beta, I started a new contract job that paid me more than I'd ever been paid before. The team I was in was close-knit and creative, which made us all very comfortable talking out loud about all types of things.
I was very much still in the anger phase. I would joke about marriage being awful, about how being single was the only way to be, etc. You might see where this is going.
I was originally hired for two weeks and ended up staying just over a year. In that time, I had many conversations with the people in charge about the chances of being hired as a full-time employee. They knew I was interested. In the end, they gave me some excuse about how there was no budget to keep me on, or how they were restructuring the team, or other such deflections. I felt like there was more to it but never could back that up.
This weekend I met up with a buddy from that job. He just had his fiance leave him for her boss after an 8 year relationship, but that's a story for another day. As the beer flowed, we got more honest with each other about things and he told me he knew why they didn't hire me. I pressed and pressed until he gave up and just said one word: "misogynistic."
It all made sense immediately. I told him that I had a similar story to his and was angry at women at the time. He understood but he told me the obvious thing - "keep your cards closer to your chest." Which got me thinking about Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like others.
Challenging people's beliefs only serves to isolate you. They will feel personally attacked and do whatever it takes to protect themselves and/or defeat you. It's pointless to argue, especially in the workplace. You will only offend people by not agreeing with them and how they choose to live their lives.
Don't do what I did. There are many ways to shit where you eat and this is one of them. It's been said a million times here before, but when you go to work just shut up and work. I've learned a big lesson from this, at the cost of a high-paying, low-stress job that would have set me up for the rest of my life. Hope it can at least help someone else not make the same mistake.
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
If I were asked about why I'm not married, I would simply say "I tried that once, it didn't work out, I have no intention of trying that again." and just refuse to discuss it further.
backdoorinvestor 5y ago
Thanks OP. Great example of why Law 38 is so important
[deleted] 5y ago
[deleted]
[deleted]
LuckyMost 5y ago
Oh boy. Had a similar story. I started to work at this company as a consultant. Very good paycheck. It was basically one month after I told my wife that I want a divorce. At the job I met a couple of nice girls and hanged around with them pretty often, coffees and stuff. I was drunk from the attention and honest smiles, so different then what I was used to.
Fast forward a year. My manager calls me in. He was very happy with my work just one month earlier. And now I hear, that I'm not doing my job, that I'm basically lying to him all day long and he is firing me for that. I oppose, he gives me one month, and in this one month I manage to relocate to another division.
Fast forward another year. I work for a different company but still have good contact with some people from the old one. And I learned, that, behold, my ex-wife applied there and talked shit about me on the job interview. Can you imagine that? She told the interviewer, that I left her with nothing (left her the house and payed for water and heating plus payed for the kids), that I cheated on her, and, wait for it, that I fucked most of the girls from my work in the bathroom. I mean, common. I was fucking furious!!!
​
So yes, don't shit where you eat. Go in, work as good as you can, go out.
​
ArdAtak 5y ago
That's a pretty blatant mistake. What you did basically violated DSWYE. But on a male to male level.
missingkey2 5y ago
Okay what if I have made the mistake to some extent? How do I reverse this?
waking-life 5y ago
I'd say your best bet is to just stop doing it, stay quiet and work hard.
Wolveryn 5y ago
Yep, you have to play to the politically correct chorus. It could be worse, if you live in an Islamic country, you get killed if you think differently to their Allah Ackbar book.
TheKickinJumpmaster 5y ago
List Of Things To Agree On To Be a Good Beta In 2018™:
Sumsar01 5y ago
Opinions are for people with power. If you don't have power, don't have opinions. When you have power opinions is what you need to create a faction and get more.
[deleted]
four-acorn 5y ago
Yeah dude find non-work friends.
One, you can NEVER take off the 'corporate mask' (acting like you're Ned Flanders) -- on your FIRST YEAR on the job. You failed that.
No, a guy who has been working there 5 years making "cock-ring" jokes and how he'd like to "smash Sally in Accounting" -- doesn't mean it's "cool here" and you get to talk like that. You thought that, you were dead wrong, you paid for it. Lesson learned.
Next time, you got to have a year of playing Ned Flanders at the job or at least being the perfect emotionless Worker Bee (unless you start your own business). THEN and only then, can you begin considering loosening up at the office.
You can really only do so among trusted (very high trust) colleagues. You were obviously braying your "women are no good whores, the lot of them! All cheating whores!" to anyone and everyone within earshot, hence how your boss/ hiring managers were well aware of your "reputation."
You can only trust colleagues who have also revealed personal secrets to you and are "in the trenches" hardcore with you. Not some guy who you're friends with but "wish you were closer" and will gossip and sell you out down the river to impress "Jenny" who he's trying to bang.
[deleted]
Nocryingok 5y ago
I too many times commit the mistake of speaking my mind when there is no point in doing so.
*Did they ask?
*Is your response going to benefit them?
*Is your response going to benefit you?
*Are you sure of what you're talking about?
"Those who know don't talk. Those who talk, don't know."
Just a little quote of the great Tao Te Ching
[deleted]
xdrunkagainx 5y ago
Honestly I don't care anymore. I'm not living in the closet for these people to feel comfortable with their shitty life decisions. I am free and living a redpill life in the open.
Nov51605 5y ago
id have to say that what you are stating is true, but it def gets in the way of IGAF major league. I spent most of my young adult life staying silent on shit, and couldn't take it anymore. Yeah, ive def put myself outta getting more work because of droppin rp bombs, but at the end of the day, i still am able to pay my mortgage and bills.
I respect the 48 laws , but damn, at the end of the day, are we gonna be NPC droids keeping our lips zipped like cucks ?
Original_Dankster 5y ago
It's impossible to apply all laws of power simultaneously. Consider them like tools on a toolbox. You use the tight tool for the situation. 38 isn't always applicable. Sometimes you gain more status being an opinion leader instead of a Silent Bob.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Resenting all of that is because you want the appearance of power. Following the laws of power allows to actually have the power. See what is most important to you.
If you apply the 48 laws of power, you can achieve more with less effort. It isnt necessarily with the most primitive behavior that you'll manage to get what you want.
Being composed, smart and have actual plan, ensuring other don't even know you did it is much more efficient than going on open war and being the guy that all other will attack both openly and covertly. If you choose that last option, you are bound to fail in the long run. You just can't survive alienating most people.
Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 5y ago
Not really. What law 48 really says is to more subtly exert your will when that will is not socially acceptable. If you are in a company, and you dont see women as equal to men, that doesnt mean you cant just not hire women. Keep up appearances, hire women, but never give them real power.
rukken 5y ago
You can only truly stop giving a fuck when they can't hit you in the finance anymore. So yeah, until then it's best to keep your mouth shut. In the meantime, enjoy the decline. It took a lot to not crack a smile when my coworker got divorce raped. Or when another was assaulted by a migrant in a bad area. Just clueless drones.
Wolveryn 5y ago
I think Enjoy the decline, should really be swapped out for 'Prepare for the collapse' sometimes... (I made the mistake of reading too much of the news of the latest shitty things that government has done this morning)
mr-satan 5y ago
I don’t think it’s binary like that. We don’t need to be outspoken or silent.
I take the philosophy of the middle where if I’m asked I’ll let my stance be known, but I don’t say it with bullshit abrasive terminology saying things like “cuck”.
So, you can speak your mind and not come off like some edgelord in the workspace.
Nov51605 5y ago
Well cucks are actually gagged, hence the usage Cue marcellus & zed scene
[deleted] 5y ago
[deleted]
EL_Miore 5y ago
Yup. That's why it's best to not say anything at all. If we absolutely have to, then just agree with consensus if our reputation is at stake. If not, then disagree and stand ground.
thebrandedman 5y ago
The problem there though is that he could literally say the exact opposite: "I wouldn't live with a spouse who works", and he would still be considered misogynistic for it. You can't win.
jcrpta 5y ago
Because the non-misogynistic comment is that the couple decide between them who of them should work based on practicalities rather than an outright "she must/must not work".
Of course in the real world it isn't like that, because a woman is far more likely to decide unilaterally that she's not going to work any more and there will be no reasoning or discussion over the matter. Which sort of limits the man's options.
lololasaurus 5y ago
Right. Instead of losing the game, don't play it.
This isn't a work conversation.
magx01 5y ago
Having any expectations on women is 'misogynistic' in many circles.
shitty_fact_check 5y ago
Nobody here is swallowing the hard truth that OP might have just been coming across like a dick. There's ways to say unpopular things that come across better, even if with the same message. Humor, good attitude, being likable.
OP is admitting he was sharing things during an "angry phase," and I don't think he'd deny that the way he shared was probably a bit abrasive. Many talk on here as if people change their opinions because they're told they should, but the reality is people only change their opinions when they FEEL they should.
The advice people should be taking here is not to closet everything, but to learn how to express themselves in a more likable manner.
the_goatgrrrl 5y ago
problem is (im conservative and i also had to learn it the hard way with liberal friends) other people are just as convinced of what they believe in as you are ...its hard for many people to REALLY empathize with someone...i had this problem when talking to liberals and they had the same prbolem with me, we both thought if we just present enough infos to prove our points the other person will change his/her view, but on the other hand we know we oneself never would do that.
I think its because most people in general think they are somehow MUCH different from anyone else and NOBODY turly understands them which is (in my opinion) not the case, we all are pretty alike and standard imho
MatrixofLe3adership 5y ago
Great point. This is the type of critical thinking that we all need when digesting the Red Pill. Mindless groupthink is never a good thing.
waking-life 5y ago
Totally agree that I may have come across like a dick. Thanks for pointing that out as an option.
Wolveryn 5y ago
To a point. And that depends on how you physically look (Are you handsome? Is your smile trustworthy?) and depends on the position you hold financially and in your career.
The ability to win over a crowd is as much in your genes as it is in your tact.
Zippy1776 5y ago
The mere fact that the bullshit is more important than the information being relayed makes OPs point.
MakoShark93 5y ago
Yeah, agree and amplify is the way to go.
PinkySlayer 5y ago
Besides the fact that that term really only applies to shit tests and doesn't make sense at all in this context, in order to agree and amplify the way you mean someone has to first be making the same assertions you are, and literally no one in a modern office environment is going to be openly talking about how awful and entitled women are. It is a death sentence, and I also disagree with an above poster that his message would have been better received had he framed it better. Our modern discourse is so averse to discomfort and removed from reality that even stating something like "men are physically stronger than women" is enough to make you a pariah. Be the guy spouting off difficult to swallow or uncomfortable opinions at your own risk, your delivery does not fucking matter.
p3n1x 5y ago
Most people still see you as a bloop. When you have earned respect, you can say whatever the fuck you want.
OP is not high value at his workplace, period.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
Being of higher value does not alleviate this issue, it only restructures it slightly. When you’re lower value, you cannot say whatever you want because it is off-putting, while when you are of higher value, you’ve got a target on your back. The whole #metoo shit-test sees to this
GoRedBad 5y ago
People like Jordan Peterson get a lot of hate around here for being "purple pill". Is it possible that JP is just acting out the rule you cite, and not voicing some of his more red pill beliefs, in order to keep his income flowing from the mainstream? Much of his income comes from Patreon, which is known for shutting out wrongthinkers.
BrodinsOats 5y ago
I don’t think so. JBP is pro-natalist, with a stated goal of promoting what’s best for raising children: a stable two-parent household. And his relationship with his him wife demonstrates his belief in what he teaches.
So that opposes the “slay thots, never marry” philosophy that many hold on TRP.
tempolaca 5y ago
I don't think JBP is so incompatible with TRP.
There is Married-red pill, and LTRs. There is no a lot of difference between marriage and a LTR. I think TRP is a prelude to JBP teachings. Maybe you don't want to spin plates at 60. Or maybe yes...will tell you when I arrive heh
BrodinsOats 5y ago
I agree 100%.
My interpretation of TRP is as a framework for attraction, with no moral judgement on what you do with that information.
JBP touches on concepts within that framework for attraction, but also provides some moral judgement in suggesting that you might find life a little more meaningful and endurable for the long-term when you raise children.
mraxelrodi 5y ago
The problem with widely known people which income is tied with the attitude of society - politicians, actors, priest and preachers is that alter their words and even opinions to suit the publicum. So, they can't be source of "truth", they are untrustful. IMHO
GoRedBad 5y ago
But there is nobody who is completely trustworthy whether they are in the public eye or not. If you can think of someone with whom you agree on everything, chances are you haven't read them deeply enough, or you don't know yourself.
Wolveryn 5y ago
I think its plausible that another human can have very similar viewpoints to another on *most* topics. 'Everything' is logically an impossibility. An asymptote if you will. You could get to 99.999999% but never reach 100%.
hastalavistabb 5y ago
I think he has a lot of views that he doesn’t speak about because it would get in the way of his current objective (helping people fortify themselves). If he spoke too much or too loosely it could do more harm than good, not just for himself but for everyone following/those who would follow him.
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
The hypergamy talk on Joe Rogan was almost awkward at times, I think he was keeping tight lipped.
Gr0o0vy 5y ago
especially given that Rogan is, in fact, a cuck
Captain_Quick 5y ago
Do you remember if this was when Jordan Peterson was on in July of this year? Or a few weeks ago at the end of November? Or was it two years ago? I'm interested in seeing that clip with the context of the rest of the interview, but I'm not that interested in watching 9 hours of footage just to find it. Although, I'm sure you're not either, so I was hoping you would remember. Excuse me for sounding like an askhole.
notipnoah 5y ago
It was July. And it was before the mid way point of the podcast. Here's the link: https://youtu.be/9Xc7DN-noAc
[deleted]
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
Even though it may be better for you personally to keep your cards closer to your chest, there's a benefit to society from men opening up about this stuff and helping other men to see women with more clarity.
DownyGall 5y ago
Also a benefit to men finding each other who have similar beliefs. Or else we’ll all drift alone.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
Yes. Helps to know you're not alone.
Rollo_Mayhem3 5y ago
There is very little point to exposing these beliefs openly in a public forum. You are there to work, create, add value, all you were doing was soothing your ego. But yes, now u know better.
[deleted]
p3n1x 5y ago
Or, fuck the sheep, eat a couple if you feel like it.
Talking politics or religion is always touchy, regardless of the environment. It doesn't need a numbered rule to be understood. Especially a rule telling you to be a woman on the outside while trying to maintain your manhood on the inside??
MGTOWMODSSUCK 5y ago
Good post but ironic in the sense that it made me angry and less likely to follow your advice in the future
I tend to follow the law naturally but more and more biting my tongue is started to make me bleed dishonesty and I don’t like it
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
Wolveryn 5y ago
I think that with any ideology, you can pick and choose parts that can be useful to you. Win friends has some extremely valuable advice... regardless of its mainstream status at Barns and Noble. Just because its not TRP founded or that the feminist hivemind have approved it... doesn't mean it cant contain valuable gems. After all TRP is about free *critical* thinking. And that critical thinking never ends.
zyqkvx 5y ago
That notion has crossed my mind but I don't think it's that simple. Gyms have no trouble filling their coffers, yet few use the facilities.
waking-life 5y ago
Thanks for the input GLO. I get your point but in this case I shat where I ate and have missed a whole lot of money because of it. I would consider making the right choice for my finances an "Alpha" thing, even if you have to pretend to be different at work or at least keep quiet.
[deleted]
Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
What if Mein Kampf is the best selling book?
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
Redpiller77 5y ago
"If it is popular, it must be bad".
Ayyy lmao
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
[deleted]
PinkySlayer 5y ago
How about you quit distorting the message and realize what is actually being said, which is that there is an appropriate time and place for everything? In your particular circumstances you may be able to express whatever opinion whenever you want, but advising someone in generic corporate land to do the same isn't virtuous, it's idiotic and misleading.
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
moltenw 5y ago
Is "Bluepill" to you essentially "the majority" then?
If everyone lived with Red Pill beliefs, but in different magnitudes, would that really make only the top "Red Pilled" and the rest "Blue" ? Sure, without the "good" couldn't exist the "bad" and so on, and the Pareto principle would still probably exist, but just by the simple fact that they all understand the red rules, how can they be blue?
I think an even easier look at this would be just taking an obscure blue pilled book (the opposite of what you mentioned). It being obscure doesn't make it redpilled, so why does a "top selling" book not have the chance to be a "red" one? Because the society would simply never accept it? Sure, it might not be "Red", but it's not neccessarily "Blue" either.
The rules might not apply the same way, but then I'd like to know why (if you have the time to explain it, of course).
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
moltenw 5y ago
But why? Why does something need to reject the dominant ideology to be considered "Red"? If Redpill suddenly became the dominant ideology and something like feminism (It's not the dominant ideology now either though, but take it as an example) would become obscure, would that make Redpill "blue" and feminism "red" ? Is feminism "Red" now as well since it's not the dominant ideology?
Incredibly basic example, but - when it comes to something like "good characteristics", most people would say that Confidence is a good characteristic, but if I'm understanding correctly, you'd be saying that confidence is essentially "Blue" since it's considered to be a "dominant" characteristic by most people/ the system (and characteristics can also be part of ideologies). Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying, but this is what I'm getting out of your two comments. Right now, It all feels incredibly black and white.
So the criteria for something being "Red" is that it needs to expose flaws in the system? If so, then so be it, but then I'd be surprised if everyone else on here had the same criteria, and that's fine (as long as it has a firm foundation and it's not just how you "feel" about it, and that it actually has some merit in real life as well).
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Did you ignore what GLO wrote? According to his post anti-establishment = Red
moltenw 5y ago
Missed it.
Is "Anti-establishment" essentially something that goes against the principles of society?
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
It goes against the dominant paradigm
moltenw 5y ago
So it's "dominant concepts" more or less, yeah?
Isn't "feminism" a concept that's not dominant, though? (as an example). By this logic, feminism is red since it goes against the dominant paradigm.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Femnisim is mainstream ttherefore its the dominant paradigm
moltenw 5y ago
So a couple of years ago it was Red then? Or even 100 years ago?
BillyRedRocks 5y ago
They are Red Pill books because they can provide the reader with useful tools for navigating his life. Considering how many ppl read - reading is not even part of the dominant ideology so reading is an act of rebellion itself. So just because nobody reads the books you like that doesn't mean they are Red Pill books.
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
BillyRedRocks 5y ago
You had a post that ended with something like "... But most importantly be on your own side and don't tell anybody about it" how are the two different?
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
BillyRedRocks 5y ago
Your own side being - play for yourself - play to win. This was the point in your post. He tells people how they can win in whatever game they are playing. Something like Cynical implementation
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
LeFlamel 5y ago
A few too many drinks deep in the continental kool aid my dude.
BillyRedRocks 5y ago
They are advising the same thing and they are providing methods on how to do it. The fact that it's not cynical is just part of them being Anglos whereas your cynicism comes from Zizek and both of you being slavic. I'm sorry but TRP is not slavic culture wrapped up in pretty metaphores. The books are useful and have their purpose in TRP, people barely read => the book bannings we see today are only to hurt the book author, because nobody cares if 10 people read Evola, Roosh, Austrian painters and others.
[deleted] 5y ago
[--removed--]
BillyRedRocks 5y ago
Does this count as taking your Russian hand? My society is between Russian and Western culture. And if those books aren't useful then where am I supposed to learn the useful things in them? Is there a russian version of 48 laws of power that will help me navigate the world?
+ Anglo culture is like that right now. It has not been this way historically if only there was a group of people twisting anglo culture into the monstrocity that it is today... maybe a similar group of people that turned Russia into the USSR.
Fullmetalshawty 5y ago
What’s changed since your piece on cynicism red papa? Too hurr durr to reconcile the two.
memer935115 5y ago
While of course it’s important to “not give a fuck,” your reputation is an exception. Worry about your reputation from a purely logical basis, however. How will you benefit from people seeing you as this, vs that?
Such is the Fifth Law of Power. So much depends on reputation, guard it with your life.
Thizzlebot 5y ago
Eh whatever, just don't be weak and stick to your guns. I always hold frame and just dgaf if people bitch about it.
faggots4trump 5y ago
You shat where you ate, so you ate shit.
sanitypanacea 5y ago
Well there will be other jobs bro. Just wait for the right group of friends as you do NOT want the village catching wind you're running around unplugging people. They will just NAWALT and strawman and create problems where they aren't.
​
to help unplug someone, which is absolutely positively brutal, you have to be close on a level where they aren't going to take a conversation to anyone else.
Rollo says it best - Too many AFC's just WAITING to find that pay dirt wallflower "unicorn" and prove to themselves and you that their tulip oneitis isn't like that because NAWALT and their existence is finally valid. Just test the waters next time and remember you can go to sleep at night knowing you were expressing your views without abandon, a free man!
ObjectiveInitial 5y ago
100% my man. I learnt this the hard way too. It doesn't matter if you're 100% fucking right and they're all delusional blue pilled betas. It doesn't matter if whatever you're saying is backed up by statistics and hard earned experience and they're still living in fairytale land. It doesn't matter if you're saying 2 + 2 = 4 and they're saying 2 + 2 = puppies. If you're vocal about your controversial ideas they will find ways to punish and isolate you. Glad I learned this YOUNG, even before college. When I join the work place for real I'll be sure to keep my mouth shut and act blue pilled as fuck.
unn4med 5y ago
Learned this last year, discussing the myth of the pay gap and how feminism isn’t what it appears to be with a really feminine guy.
Glad I learned my lesson - will never do that again. It’s literally 2+2=puppies logic, no joke
Wolveryn 5y ago
Yep, learn the rules to the game, and get good at playing them.
waking-life 5y ago
With that attitude you'll do just fine. Good luck out there.
278209AR948Q 5y ago
Always keep these things to yourself. I only speak pure TRP truths to vetted friends who "get" what I'm saying. I speak to those who have experienced the dark side to relationships.
​
When talking to people who I would never mention TRP to, I am the most purplepill fucker there is. Girls ask me for relationship advice too, I give them the good old purplepill.
​
At work, I have spoken maybe once or twice about relationships, but never in any deep matter. There is no point in preaching in the desert. There is no way I will ever be thought of as mysoginistic. Control the message that is being sent.
​
An advice on the 48 Laws of Power. While the rule 38 is good (Think like you must, behave like the rest), if it is too much for you to behave like others, which it is for me, just don't participate. NEVER speak TRP truths out there in the open. Vet the people you would discuss this very thoroughly.
Wolveryn 5y ago
I follow the the same mindset. Although sometimes I'll see something that highlights a blatant logical contradiction in the hive mind, and point it out nonchalantly, like I don't have a strong opinion on the matter:
On Equality and Wage Gap: "If women are getting paid $21K less than men and all other variables are equal, from now I say we only hire women!"
On how hard women have it: "Its strange though how the suicide rate for men is 4 times that of women. Men just arent as tough as you gals!"
​
waking-life 5y ago
Completely agree. I'd rather not participate than fake it. What this means in terms of work is that I'm now trying to be my own boss. Still, it's a good thing to keep in mind so as to not totally alienate yourself from other humans.
278209AR948Q 5y ago
I'm sure all of us can be Machiavellian on some way and play the social game. I reserve my energy for topics of higher order. Talking about politics, religion and relationships at work, or in any other setting, is wrestling with pigs in the mud. In the end, you will only get dirty.
Imagine this as a rule of the thumb: get any historical figure you admire, let's say Napoleon or Tesla. Would you imagine Napoleon or Tesla wasting their time talking about relationships, politics or religion with people they hardly knew? They didn't really have much time.
I do not advocate not speaking about these topics ever, just vet the people you do talk to. That is why we speak about forming tribes here.
In a tribe, you can talk about these topics. Even if you disagree on them.
​
Not everyone deserves to be in your tribe.
​
EDIT: spelling mistakes.
Camjd10 5y ago
Besides the general sentiment of not rocking the boat at work, there is definitely a difference between anger and a contrarian way of thinking. Not following the status quo makes you independent, not angry, although in both cases you can be decried as a rebel in a professional environment.
ucfgavin 5y ago
Similar scenario although not quite to that extent. I've always been an open person who jokes around with people and prefer being up front and direct about things. At my previous job, several conversations were had about things I had said...one was asking for feedback about a manager of a job I was interested in, apparently it made others "uncomfortable" asking about it in public around others. the second was joking with one of our VPs (a woman) about hanging out with the team, I mentioned her "hanging out with the plebes" as we were both laughing and joking. The third was teasing my boss about a broken formula in Excel triggering his OCD (he was just very detailed) and apparently someone overheard me and felt uncomfortable that I would bring up something like OCD in a joking manner. Yup, thats the modern day work place....
Wolveryn 5y ago
What industry out of interest? (I can imagine saying things like that within my close team, maybe not around some of dykes in the wider team).
ucfgavin 5y ago
Tech...I know, big surprise haha
ainihon 5y ago
I imagine Vito Corleone saying, “never let anyone know what your thinking”
That being said only people historically who’ve gone against the flow have changed things.
If you don’t wanna change history best to keep it shut.
AutoModerator 5y ago
Just a friendly reminder that as TRP has been quarantined, we have developed backup sites: https://www.trp.red and our full post archive (and future forums) https://www.forums.red/i/TheRedPill. Don't forget to register on TRP.RED and reserve your reddit name today. Forums.Red is currently locked but will be opened soon.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
mejakejohnson 5y ago
Great advice mate! I'm just waiting for your friend's story with the boss ;)
waking-life 5y ago
Usual AWALT story. He was carefree and didn't care about her so she became attracted. The more he opened up to her and, in his own words, the more "dependent" he became on her, the further she would drift. Eventually he noticed shifts in her behaviour, found out she was cheating with her boss. And apparently the boss is nothing special but sometimes just being different is enough for the branch swing.
Wolveryn 5y ago
The Boss has power, authority and money. Another motivation for men to rise to the top. The guys successful.
555WeWolf 5y ago
It always confused me where is the line drawn between having your own opinion and being a sheep. Yes think as you like, but behave like others, we all understand what that means but how does it look like to the outside world? Yes there is a lot of truth in that people do not like their beliefs being attacked, but at what point do those same people start looking at you as some sort of wuss who doesn't have his own belief/opinion?
And before everyone starts giving shit about "You have to have an I don't give a fuck mindset", yes that is a given but the fact is there are people in this world who have more power than you and that you will be dependent on (like your boss at work) and if you don't play your cards smart and just go in thinking "i'm the biggest motherfucking badass here" good luck getting that raise.
uwey 5y ago
You need to find the perfect balance between::
-how to court attention and mystery in the way that don’t infringed other LAW.
If you say things to hurt other, you only cause it to make you look bad. Doing is better than winning the argument. Also, insult to only small people, and prep scapegoat. Make friends, make a cult.
-you need to be like everyone and said as little as possible, but keep your options and not pick any side, meanwhile gets ATTENTION.
So example, I ride motorcycles, you need to be BP as fuck in appearance of actual language, and wear flashy things so people can get attention to you, don’t humble brag because it actually hurt your image, be kind and care what other people want ( because you know them personally can sever you agenda) stir up rumor and attack/snipe strong man in the group, most time 2nd in charge or 3rd. Join the mob assault, and never pick high ground. Be as mundane you can in political term. But speak highly for others . Advocates who you know the best, praise others, and gossip to the one that like to gossip, be a mirror.
-I speak TOP PC BP ideas. -speak like Obama, not language, but act and talk like it. You can’t afford to be trump because you will get destroyed.
-but think red pill.
-dress up nicely, have a low cost but solid style. I like Don Draper. Suit or leather.
-be very fit. Top physique.
-ride a bike or have solid hobbies.
-have a great title job. -have authority over someone.
-ACT speak louder than word. -practice your act and your word, separately. Be very bold when you do something, don’t explain and don’t apologize. Move on. If you are fast people have to catch up, this makes them don’t have time think you are stupid or not. When ENOUGH dump fucks move before they use their brain, you win by majority. Watch carefully and when you bold fail, be even BOLDER and appear to be a easy task. Never surprise by how difficult it is, be surprise how easy it is and SAY IT: oh damn this is easy. While you know it is hard as shit. No one will attempt to do it. Find a weak mind fuck and let him try to watch him fail to solid your authority, kindle the alpha by help him and teach a dump fuck how to do things makes you his owner, he is your slave for now.
There are a perfect balance you need to manage. If you do it correctly, people either respect you or fear you. Because you are basically as normal but they know it is not natural to be appear normal to everyone and seems to know everyone’s life story.
You need to also adapt false misfortunes, like you have a fake drinking problem, your family don’t love you etc. a fake info to show you are not perfect.
You bait people to buy in your agenda, and use them to complete what they want at same time you come on top when the project about to finish for your own gain. Make sure make everyone happy, and they can be your royal slave.
Nothing better than a man have no option. You need to find out who is struggling and offer them a way out, and throw them into deeper debt they can only hope your mercy, they are perfect scapegoat. Because no one would doubt when you sell your best friends into fire. He must commit real crime, like that Brutus stab Caesar.
Be nice and well spoke but have plan on everything and everyone, observe, never argue, never hangout with unlucky and sad person, have nice stuff and flashy live style at lowest cost, use other to finish your job and claim it. Never isolate always in the middle of the crowd, be ready to toss your friends under bridge, be ready to surrender and have a exit, be ready to be bootlicker so you can get away from damage reputation, and make sure your reputation is clean and shine. Use all weapons to guard it.
Every law have its trick and sub law. Like Murphy’s law, peter’s law, etc
You need experience and time to build the awareness of the law. Move on.
World is a stage, man and women just players. If Music is the essence of life, play on. Enjoy the game, and win.
Be calm, actually, be sleepy when a nuke coming down on you, and yawn.
Because you expect everything be much worst, even nuke kill most people. Be mentally super human, and practice not to look away and never shock/awe/surprise. Be physically numb. I run and step on 2 inch long nail on marathon, and I finish it. If you are wimp, practice small pain, and you will get used to it. You go to get used to pain to learn how to pilot mind and body.
Ananonguy88 5y ago
I have reputation of a right wing misogynist in my workplace. This does not change the fact that I'm one of the most popular, confident, fit and well dressed guys in the office. Workplace girls are hitting on me nevertheless, just flirty teasing me about it at worst.
When you are high value, nothing matters. You can be Hitler incarnated and people will still gravitate towards you.
When you are high value, people have to think about adjusting to you. When you are not, you have to adjust to others.
Original_Dankster 5y ago
This is my experience as well. I work in a left of centre workplace in a very left wing town in a very left wing country. I never being up politics first, but as a pro Trump nationalist, I'll defend my ideology when it's attacked in conversation..
Because I'm one of the best in my field, middle management, and because even in my mid 40s I'm fitter than 90% of the other males, I get away with it.
That said, everybody knows I'm single and that I date a lot of women - but I never being up TRP or MRA stuff.
Avertus 5y ago
Well being vocal about conservative or libertarian viewpoints seem an easy way of going Dark Triad and being perceived as an asshole.
four-acorn 5y ago
Right-wing you can get away with, sure. Misogynist, not so much.
Sure you're high value now (despite a majority of worker drones thinking they are high value and irreplaceable).
But you probably have a rival just waiting to smash the hammer on you with the right opportunity. You can easily get "Me Too'ed" even without having committed any kind of real harassment. 20 year old Susie the intern with the sugar tits is in tears right now because of your clever little "joke" about women. Her feelings matter and we value diversity here. Clean out your desk, buckaroo.
278209AR948Q 5y ago
I cannot stress enough that having a reputation like that is not good. Right now you are the high value guy there, but things can change rapidly. What once is seen as playful, it can quickly change to the opposite.
None of us are as Antifragile as we think.
Control those rumors, control the message. Do not let lies be spoken about you.
Wolveryn 5y ago
Yep, this type of guy can suddenly fall, and suddenly fast. And when he falls, no remorse is shown, like feeding a sheep to the wolves.
RedHoodhandles 5y ago
I'm actually wondering how much I should restrain myself in front of my friends. I know I can't help them by talking about the way, only showing but I don't want to lose them as friends by alienating them with my views. On the other hand, you couldn't call them friends if I lose them because of this, could you?
Wolveryn 5y ago
You don't have to agree on everything with your friends, some friends are playing sport friends...some are going on holiday friends... they don't all have to see the red pill truth to be your friends... choose your topics... cest la vie
And even best of best friends fall out because they forget this fact \^\^
[deleted]
neetgang 5y ago
Well he's obviously talking about it with his friend. Isn't it what this story was about.
RedHoodhandles 5y ago
No he's talking about his colleagues or friends within a professional context as you could put it.
btharmony 5y ago
Yea, it's pretty common knowledge to keep religious, political and personal views disclosed in a professional setting. You let your emotions get the best of you and you blabbed on about women not because of TRP, but because of the experience you had with your ex.
If someone needs advice on TRP to restrain them from sharing personal beliefs like that, than they have bigger problems ahead of them.
Avertus 5y ago
Except if said religious, political and personal views are those spewed out by the prevailing politically correct establishment. I won't think one would get sacked for parroting the mantras of feminists. To give the benefit of the doubt to OP though, he might not have foreseen that this SJW mindset has penetrated deep into the workplace.
RxCubed 5y ago
Disclosed means to open up and tell, so I'm guessing that wasn't the word you were looking for.
bookofcookies 5y ago
He meant to keep things discreete
Cavannah 5y ago
Or, more aptly, "undisclosed"
[deleted]
btharmony 5y ago
Durrr. Make sure you edit everyones posts on reddit. Nice life cuck.
Eighth__Man 5y ago
It means the opposite of what you meant so it was worth pointing out.
btharmony 5y ago
Yea, I forgot two letters infront of the word while typing it. Good to know the world has ended for you both. Wish you the most success in your reddit spellcheck careers.
Not even going to bother editing it ahah.
btharmony 5y ago
Yea, I forgot two letters infront of the word while typing it. Good to know the world has ended for you both. Wish you the most success in your reddit spellcheck careers.
Not even going to bother to edit it ahah.
dulkemaru51 5y ago
Yeah, don't correct people's grammar or you'll die a nerd virgin!
ThrowFader 5y ago
so people who know grammar are cucks now lol
masszealots 5y ago
Yeah just hard when everyone else is happily sprouting their (opposite) views all the time. Would be nice if everyone just stfu and did their work.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
There nothing more attractive than somebody with power that seems benevolant to us. For example by being friendly and approving of our views. This is the root of charisma.
Use what other openly share as opportunity to win them out, not to antagonise them !
samenrofringslikeLBJ 5y ago
Sociopathic behaviour. I don't let poor comments slide at work, I have been reprimanded and I have been praised for it. The places that reprimanded that behaviour were swiftly abandoned for something better. Those places generally weren't nice to work at anyway. Stand up for yourself, but don't be a crusader either.
ZephyrBluu 5y ago
How is that sociopathic behaviour?
Nicolas0631 5y ago
This isn't really about place that would accept your behavior or not. It is about getting your ways without being offensive or antoganising people that would waste your efforts.
If you antagonise people they may not even accept to do something that would benefit them if it is you that ask.
If you take care to respect other people opinion, listen what they have to say on one side and hold frame on the other side, you'll get the most respect and people will want to help you, friend you.
For sure you need to ensure you get respect (the holding frame part), this is very important, but not as the cost of being a jerk, antogonise people and to look like you are the bad guy that shall be avoided or fired. Don't destroy your reputation for that.
This isn't sociopathic this is required for any position that require social skills and a big asset for everybody else.
Wolveryn 5y ago
Exactly straight out of the book 'How to win friends and influence people'.
It really depends on your end goals and what game you're playing at.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Actually I took it from the book the "Charisma myth" that is greatly interresting. There actualy several types of charisma, but at the core, there a single common root. I guess you can find this in many books.
You are right that you don't have and should not be charismatic in all circonstances. Sometime, it is better to stay behind the scenes for example.
Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 5y ago
Nothing wrong with a couple of antisocial beliefs
samenrofringslikeLBJ 5y ago
I agree, but that right there is a recipe for personal failure and discontentedness. If you stand up for yourself, people will respect you. You just need 1 proper person to trust and like you, while 9 losers hate you and you need not worry cause they are losers. That 1 valuable person is not out there looking to team up with a kiss-ass or a snake. Every organization I've been with, the execs were a group, and at big companies there are multiple groups of execs in competition. You don't get to join that club because you endear yourself to the people they want to get rid of.
[deleted]