Brief backstory - For those who haven't seen, today there are dozens of Youtube videos and large Reddit posts about a Twitch streamer, Mrdeadmoth, who slapped his wife during a live Twitch stream. There is a flood of virtue signaling and white knighting, most of it knowingly dishonest, all over the internet. Most of the videos intentionally edit out all of the parts where the wife is culpable for escalating the situation, and frankly for starting the violent part. What happened is this Australian couple having an argument while Mrdeadmoth was streaming Fortnite. They're shouting and the wife starts throwing things at him, several times. He tries to shut her down by raising his voice (not holding frame, not calm, confident or assertive - weak) and she isn't impressed. So he stands up and walks across the room and gives her a slap, and he tries to continue playing. She then tries to embarrass him on camera with the "I want everyone to know you beat your pregnant wife", etc. Off camera it appears he probably grabbed her wrist, she might have been trying to smack him or push, who knows, just speculating. The video is linked below.
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I have two short points I want to make which might prove useful to some here.
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The first is that toxic relationships like this should not continue. She obviously does not respect him, and it's likely he does not deserve it. He clearly has weak energy and he's sitting there on Twitch streaming a child's game, which can MAYBE only be justified for a man if he's making some serious money or keeping it down to a short, non-disruptive hobby. The virtues of streaming not withstanding, when you lose the respect of your woman for any reason you need to bail or earn it back quickly, using the techniques here. As a not-natural alpha I have been in relationships that get out of control, and I know how to get out of them (clean, quick, and burn her damn phone number). I can tell you that most of the arguments boil down to her saying "you aren't being the man" and start because she's right - you weren't being the man for a long time, and she doesn't feel safe and secure, and resents you. Once true resentment and CONTEMPT set in, it's almost impossible to repair. Contempt is far worse than hatred, by the way.
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The second is that when you're in a situation like this holding frame is SO important. Frame can be described as keeping 'calm and assertive'. Calm and assertive energy controls the surrounding environment. It conveys strength and confidence. It de-escalates situations and it commands respect. It shows you are in control of yourself, and thus can be trusted to control events around you.
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So today I encourage you to remember that the virtue signaling social justice warriors cannot be trusted, as they are dishonest with themselves, and will concoct any lie or deception to justify their white knighting - including editing out parts of a video like this. To them, and this is in many videos critical of the wife as well, "it's never ok to slap a waman under any circumstance ever" - therefore editing out her part of the exchange is completely justified in their eyes. Don't fall for this type of thing - and call it out if it gives you a chuckle to trigger a few beta cucks.
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By the way, not completely unrelated, but it's often said that 'wife beating' is more common in Australia than most other places. I don't know if that's statistically true or if statistics on such things can be trusted anyway, but in my personal anecdotal experience Australian women are aware of it and tend to prefer American men as a result - not because they are beta, but because they are calm in comparison.
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Here's a link to one of the videos that does NOT edit everything out, though the virtue signaling described is still there - though as you'll see, it's far less dishonest than the male feminists out there having their rants about toxic masculinity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqTvpFdcfWI
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And for those who haven't seen this famous clip, here's Sean Connory embarrassing Barbara Walters with her 'gotcha' question, having his say about a little slap to shut down a situation.
DevNullPopPopRet 5y ago
The dude. Rightly or wrongly ran out of options. He was attacked multiple times and finally snapped.
Personally I wouldn't have slapped or punched. I can imagine however any sort of physicality in this situation may have resulted in worse (e.g. pushing her outside of the room or restraining her - and either way you are displaying your physical superiority) with her slapping,scratching etc. Which may have caused a greater response. She is apparently pregnant, you're now at risk of harming the baby? So maybe a slap across the face was actually the best option.
He can't really just walk away either. He has a kid and a pregnant wife. This shit will happen over and over. So really every chump is saying he should walk out on them. Sure he'd get shamed by society for that too.
Gotta admit his options are all bad.
Shes apparently got a trump card here.
Buuuut if women knew they would get a slap if they physically assaulted someone then this wouldn't happen in the first place.
Even if a 5 year old kid started throwing shit at me and attacking me I would give them a slap. It would be controlled with no anger behind it. You're doing him a favour. Some other chump will put him in intensive care when he's older because he didn't learn actions have consequences.
magx01 5y ago
The way we as a society are living is the cause of all this.
A pregnant woman with two kids 'should' be in a communal type situation with other women socializing and enjoying life watching the kids (hers and those of the other women) all play together.
The husband should be working (or in this case "working") out of her sight not right in front of her so he is constantly "there but not there" while she struggles alone and is left feeling shortchanged while he "plays" (works....sort of). He should never be working (in this case....lol "working") while his wife throws shit at him and nags him. She should never have to have someone there but not there. They are both in a bad situation thanks to the way we designed society.
If you look at traditional tribal communities the men are together working (hunting) and shooting the shit/getting in some much needed man time while the women are together gathering (food, water, materials for shelter) while socializing and getting in some much needed woman time. The kids are playing together. Everyone is happy. They all come together at the end of the day and enjoy a nice meal around a campfire. They aren't all separated from one another alone in individual houses trapped within walls with screaming/bored kids and stressed out (for reasons they don't understand) spouses.
It's a big mess and it's cultural (imo at least).
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
Striking a violent woman is a rookie move, think of being in a situation with violent crazy bitch like being in an MMA fight where you aren't allowed to punch or kick so the only thing that you are left with are submission holds. If you apply the right holds in the right way and use them to remove her from your place and/or achieve submission and not simply to inflict pain, you can shut her down without leaving any bruises or marks to speak of so it greatly reduces your chances of going to jail. Obviously it's still better to just leave, but if you have to stand your ground for whatever reason victory by submission is your best bet.
If you are being harassed by an organized female presence such as antifa or radfems in public then use pepper spray which you can justify because the police themselves use it on violent dissidents all the time.
Dawnguards 5y ago
"The second is that when you're in a situation like this holding frame is SO important. Frame can be described as keeping 'calm and assertive'. Calm and assertive energy controls the surrounding environment. It conveys strength and confidence. It de-escalates situations and it commands respect. It shows you are in control of yourself, and thus can be trusted to control events around you."
^ What is this crap? Do you even think the wife would care about his "frame"? This is the blue pill fake wisdom if ive ever heard.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Why is frame important? If it doesn't influence the people around you, why do it? And if it's not important, why is it one of the most central rules of red pill?
Gmann14 5y ago
Horrrrrsssse shiiiiiiiit. She knows what she's doing, Mr. Hold frame simp. I been with a BPD bitch who got feisty and started hitting me... left right combo in the gut and she came right to her senses as she was gasping for air...
No anger then, I looked at her and said, you wanna act like a man huh, alright, lets spar.. done... after she recovered she said, I can't believe you hit me. I said, good now go make me food cuz I'm bulking up
What the fuck this never hit a waman shit came to u from, Mr frame?
Streamer is in the right, put that rabid bitch down as soon as she starts.
Wtf would you do if a smaller dude came to you and started hitting you. Yeah, hold frame, tell him to stop right.. hahahaha
And this slice of knowledge came to me from a lil nig nog army chick in Bahrain when I was deployed. she said she treated her simp bf like shit and broke his xbox and threw it out the window, cuz whatevah the fuck reason, he started apologizing for nothing.. 'that's how I knew he was a bitch' her words, 'if he woulda slugged me I woulda respected him'
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Most of the time you can intimidate someone with a simple look and a couple words if you are holding frame.
I guarantee you this yappy broad could have been shut up a lot of easier ways that don’t involve him being put in a cage overnight and ending up giving her half his income for the next 20 years.
But hey, grit your teeth and whack your girl just because she deserves it and you are morally justified. That’s worth it. Am I right? You’re her slave for 20 years, that makes you alpha, yeah?
blackjustin 5y ago
Hi everyone. As I read through this thread, I saw a few people asking when you should hit a woman. I think you should always defend yourself, but I have a story that I'd like to share that directly shows the repercussions of doing so. To preface, I'm not a red pill guru, and I already know and understand where I fucked up. This story also directly shows my bitch-assed-ness, but hopefully someone reads this and finds it valuable. This is likely going to wind up being long post.
So, about six years ago, I was dating this woman. We'll call her Satan, because that's her name in my phone. Satan started off cool, and we had a lot of shit in common. She became my girlfriend pretty quickly. But it didn't take long for me to realize that Satan was VERY manipulative and had a VERY explosive temper. Screaming, breaking plates, punching walls. She also loves attention, but not in the way most people of her demographic do. She likes attention so much that she is willing to put herself or others in danger to get it. She's crazy. I don't use the term "crazy" lightly, either; I'm a psychology major in college, and if I had to diagnose her, I'd diagnose her as having borderline personality disorder.
So, despite all the red flags I've already mentioned, I dated Satan for about four years. About two years into the relationship, Satan came to my place, and as usual, we got into it. She's yelling, screaming, doing her thing; I'm bi-polar, and I'm REALLY reactive to people screaming at me, so we get into a screaming match. I ask her to leave my home, and she acts like I didn't even say it and calms down, only to eventually start screaming again. Finally, she's "had enough", and gets up to leave. I get up to open the door for her on some "Cool, GTFO" shit. I put my hand on the door, and she turns around and starts slapping me. Then she starts punching me. I'm trying to grab her hands to stop her. That makes it worse, she starts punching me in my face and head. She was swinging on me the same way Amanda Nunes swung on Ronda Rousey. (At this point, I should mention that Satan is an amateur bodybuilder looking for her pro card - she's about 170lbs and lean. Puts up 3 bills on the squat rack. I'm an amateur MMA fighter. I'm not a big guy, but I'm in stupid good shape. I'm 145lbs and have abs that start under my pecs. This becomes relevant in a second. Anyway...) I'm backed into a corner at this point and have no choice but to push Satan the fuck off of me. I don't push her hard; I certainly didn't push her in a way that would cause harm. What's Satan do? Hit's the ground and rolls, feet over head. Two complete rolls. She gets up and is distraught. She storms out of my house, and I feel like shit. I'm also concerned Satan is going to call the cops. The next day, I get up, go to class, and meet with a counselor at school. I have bruises and scratches all over my hands and arms, and a bit of a black eye. They take pictures of it as evidence and tell campus PD. They put out a lookout for her car and all that. I stay with Satan. Why? Because my parents scream and yell and behave in the same way, so I have no idea what a reasonable relationship looks like. When Satan and I discuss what happens, she tells me "Well you're an MMA fighter, so you're used to being punched like that, so me punching you isn't a big deal." Yeah, okay. Eventually, Satan has a REAL blow up and pulls a butcher knife on me. I walk away from her and that's that. My story is exactly what happened, but if you let HER tell the story, she makes it sound like I jumped on top of her and knocked her teeth out.
So, fast forward. Me and Satan have been broken up for about 18 months/2 years, and I'm back in the dating game. I'm on the dating apps, meeting women and all that. I meet this one woman, and we hit it off. We've been fooling around for about a month, and we're talking one morning over text, and she asks me, in a very covert way; "So, I'm very sensitive to men who yell and scream. I've been in an abusive relationship before, and I don't want that again. Have you ever been accused of being abusive?". I consider myself a stand up dude, so I tell her the story, and she explains why she asked. She showed a friend a picture of me, and I sounded familiar. I look pretty distinct, so I'm somewhat easily identifiable. Here's the kicker. NEITHER of these two women even KNOW Satan! New girls friend knows someone, who knows someone, etc who knows Satan. The girl I'm seeing is like six people removed from Satan. That's how far and wide these stories go. I jump on Facebook to see WTF Satan is doing. She has a new boyfriend. THE NEW BOYFRIEND IS A GOD DAMN COP, and the statute of limitations ain't up yet. If Satan tells that cop what happened in the extreme manner she tells it to everyone else, Satan doesn't even have to press charges, the state can do it. I also happen to be a man of color, and Satan is the whitest of the white women you've ever seen. This has potential to be bad.
Luckily for me, Satan likes attention and being a victim. If I get arrested, I get punished, and I receive my comeuppance. If that happens, Satan isn't as big of a victim, so she said nothing.
Anyway fellas. If you think you're dating a psycho, you're probably right. Just walk away before some shit like this happens. It isn't worth it. I lucked out. Don't be like me,
ozaku7 5y ago
His first mistake is to be a loser streamer with a kid and another kid on the way. Based on his behaviour and priorities it's a miracle he got to impregnante a woman to begin with. Pathetic.
TheRedPillMonkey 5y ago
I don't like the fact that in your post you mentioned all the white knights and how full of shit they are, only to agree with them for much different reasons. I think it can be posts like this that make other subs look negatively on us.
Your explanation of why this guy was a moron, lost frame, and should have left the relationship long ago, was all on point. Frankly, I think it does a good job bringing some logic into why we don't hit women, other than "just cuz their women" .
I think spending so much time yelling about how white knights are bad really made the message loose it's core points because you're essentially attempting to remove credibility from those you agree with, even though you agree for a different reason.
If I were an SJW PR stratigist I could eaisly take this post out of context saying you support abusing women and are an abuse apologist, when clearly you're not.
Don't let your hate cloud the point you want to get across.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
It’s interesting, because there’s a good size segment here who think I’m a bigger white knight beta cuck liberal who wants to let the Muslims rape and pillage Europe. And they are certainly dissatisfied that I didn’t give them permission to smack the bitch, as you can see in some of the other comments.
I think other subs view the “just go ahead and smack the bitch” in a more negative light than my “be a man and you won’t get in that situation in the first place” approach.
TheRedPillMonkey 5y ago
I'd agree. Like I said, totally agree with that message. And yeah, lots of guys here who think they can just hit women, and I think your post really helps teach guys why that's not cool for reasons other than just feminism.
I look at the disdain for TRP for including incels, mgtow, and in general woman haters, in much the same way people have disdain for rehab clinics because they're full of drug addicts. Sure, but we want them here so we can help them.
BRAVOSNIPER1347 5y ago
I have a very simple approach to life, which has so far ruled in my favor legally and morally.
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If you hit me or throw things at me, there will be a police report and my lawyer will decide if it's wise to press charges or not. Women and men should exercise this more often. It will lead to an improved quality of life.
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If you raise your voice at me without some meaningful motivation, you are cut off.
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I live a happy, calm life.
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Anyone that stays in a relationship where there is physical abuse or mental abuse is weak and deserves all the bullshit that comes towards them until they finally fucking move on.
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If you are in a relationship with a whiny bitch, you are a bigger bitch than she or he is. What the fuck did you settle for.
You earn everything you get in life, and your thoughts create your world.
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chaseemall 5y ago
This is his pregnant wife who is
BEARING HIS CHILD
but yeah, he's just gonna leave, burn her number and go back to spinning plates. GOD the LEVEL of retardation we get in here sometimes.
He is the patriarch of the house. When a woman is getting crazy, the slap is sometimes reasonable, and we as men need to enforce his rights as a patriarch, because we might need him to enforce ours.
What's next? You gonna say he doesn't have the right to spank a misbehaving child? Children get crazy too. And sometimes they throw tantrums. I haven't watched the video. I'm not sure I give a shit. But the notion of leaving your pregnant wife because of you losing frame in an argument is just utterly beyond the fucking pale.
LukesLikeIt 5y ago
You can see her go to hit him first or at least throws something at him while he dodges back then lunges at her and does whatever you can’t see. Either way he probably should leave her as they both seem equally immature. 100% both in the wrong though I’ll add even though he’s the only one chastised.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
You shouldn't spank kids either. It's also weakness. If you are too stupid to reason with a child you're too stupid to have kids. They learn from you. Keep your damn beta temper under control and teach them. If it gets to the point where you need to hit them you've already failed. Yes, I'm a parent, by the way.
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Now I seriously doubt this is the first time these two acted like white trash throwing shit at each other. I also doubt it didn't happen before he knocked her up. He and she undoubtedly had many opportunities to break this toxic shit off. But in his case, where he cannot just burn her number - and I agree that's the case obviously - he should get out of the house and let her start paying the damn bills. She'll be begging him to come back. And if she doesn't, he can get out of the relationship and still see his kids, not get hosed by the courts, and not end up in a cage.
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Children have temper tantrums and hit people. Men do not (at least RP men).
Yakatonker 5y ago
This is utter nonsense. The school system, the parental system has historically been marshal. Relations between men and women prior to the Feminization and mass production of blue pilled f--s has also been one of physical primacy and hierarchy. You think the government playing the game of social engineering has changed the underlying want of such an easy and effective methos? you are delusional.
Physical violence is a useful tool and even more so, an effective tool to curb undesirable behaviours. The other thing that most beta f--s can't admit is the woman actually desires it. There's infact a mechanic in female attraction called Hybristophilia, where women place violence as a basic criteria for sexual attraction, ergo the archetype of the "bad boy". Some of the guys in here mistaken "dark triad", as if it were this special niche when it is clearly not.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Let me ask you this big tough sounding chest thumper, do you start beating the kids and wife as a first resort or as a last resort when they do something you don't approve of - or does it just matter how many beers you've had and how emasculated you feel that day? Because you sound like the most "I'm emasculated today so I'm going to type violent edgelord things on the internet" dude I've read on redpill in a long time. At first I thought it satire.
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Auvergnat 5y ago
It's quite impressive to see the imprint of the feminine imperative indoctrination in men nowadays. Look at you thinking that hitting someone is "weakness". That children have to be "reasoned with". That being physically violent is "beta temper". That it's a "loss of frame".
From time immemorial, humans have followed the natural law: might makes right. The physically stronger imposes his will through threat of physical violence. The physically weaker imposes his will through seduction, manipulation, deceit.
Women, being the physically weaker, have successfully managed to impose their will on western society by manipulating men into thinking that "physical violence is never justified". And look at you now, a redpill-aware man, parroting those canards like a dutiful blue boy that proudly learned his lesson.
Look at us western men, lining up to watch MMA on TV, or to the theater to see the latest violent film, or blowing each other up on video games. Mammalian males designed to threaten with physical violence and use it if necessary, yet absolutely horrified at the idea of the most reasonable disciplining of a physically violent wife or an out-of-control brat.
Look at you, a proud lion pathetically rationalizing that you're too somehow too kingly to use the weapons what nature granted upon you to assert your dominion.
Don't hit women under any circumstances because the potential for social blowback is way too high.
Discipline your kids with proper measure when necessary, if your country has not made it illegal yet. Little Timmy will learn much more efficiently where the boundaries are, than if you "reason" with him.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Discipline comes before the kid does something wrong. Punishment comes after. Whacking the kid is punishment, not discipline.
If the kid can be reasoned with and taught why he’s in the wrong, it should be employed and if you do it consistently the need for punishment will be so rare something severe like hitting your kids won’t even come to mind. If a kid cannot reason out why what he did was wrong he doesn’t know why you’re hitting him anyway. The implicit threat of physical force and the very apparent success you’re having in life makes you a leader your kids will respect.
But I like your animal kingdom analogy and agree that it’s a good one.
And if you know animals you’ll know that the alpha dog rarely has to fight because he is rarely seriously challenged. His dominance is evident in his day to day interactions with the pack. He’s the last dog to get angry, defensive, frightened, or out of control. He’s in control of his pack because they know he CAN fuck them up, but they trust him because they can see he is in control.
Sometimes you have to fight, but it better be worth it to you and you ought to know there were probably 100 ways to avoid it by making better choices earlier.
Incel9876 5y ago
Ah, yes, don't slap women, don't spank children, and now Europeans are being demographically overrun by an invasive culture of men who do the opposite, with no hope of reversal in sight. A generation of men who've never been spanked will never hold off invaders raised to believe your women, territory, resources belong to them, if they can merely reach out and take them from you.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Nobody is more anti-Muslim invasion of Europe than me.
It has nothing to do with any of this and hitting your kids doesn’t make them tough, it makes them mean. There’s a difference.
Gmann14 5y ago
100% this..
Op is a faggit soygoy virtue signaling whaa who just finished his gender studies class confirmed.
Every ex who got feisty and started physical violence quickly came down after a swift liver punch
Bet it's woman posting, based on 'social' 'normal' and 'expected' norms of behavior. Knee-jerk reaction to peer pressure, oh what muh society will think.
Fuck you OP, fkn soygoy
ScribeThoth 5y ago
No no. I’m not virtue signaling. I’m telling you how to stay out of jail and not give your income for 18 years to some yappy broad who instigated you.
He’s morally justified in a little bitch slap. It’s not virtuous to say he doesn’t have that option. But that doesn’t mean it was the right choice and it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have gotten himself in that ducked up situation in the first place.
If it makes you feel better to give her a black eye go for it. She deserves it, but you could have prevented it if you were employing RP truths all along, and you pay a big price the rest of your life after.
It’s your call though.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 5y ago
Ah, there we go. I've been wondering why I can agree with you but at the same time be annoyed by you. You think "everything is frame" or some nonsense. My father used to spank us and I don't think I've ever seen him lose frame. When I asked him why he did it and why he stopped when we were older he said it was because you weren't old enough to be reasoned with. And he was absolutely correct. When the motive is something nonsensical like emotion then reason never comes into it and reasoning won't be the answer.
You are basic.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
If a kid isn’t old enough to be reasoned with he doesn’t know why he’s being beaten on anyway.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 5y ago
Explain to a kid that stove is hot, they touch it anyway. They don't touch a hot stove again
ScribeThoth 5y ago
So you spank him after he touched it and has already burned his hand? That helps?
Or do you pre-spank him because you think he is going to touch it?
Wtf is wrong with you?
bigkyrososa 5y ago
let's be real. he shouldn't have hit her no matter what. dude is a complete loser off the strength off that alone. as a man you should always maintain composure.
civilizedfrog 5y ago
If you earn money by twitch streaming games, you need to work away from your home. Being 24/7 around your wife is not a good thing.
Also, attacking women shows the lack of frame. He should have just walked away.
halfback910 5y ago
Yep. Walking away is powerful. When I was 2 years old I apparently threw tantrums constantly. Sometimes over... nothing? Just like, oh, it's 3pm time for a fucking tantrum I guess. The tantrums involved me banging my head on the floor apparently.
My mom called my grandmother and said "What can I do? I tried yelling. I tried to calm him down. I tried having him go to the bathroom. I tried putting him to bed. Nothing works."
Her response was "Oh, just walk into another room. What he's going to do when he notices you're not there is stop crying, follow you into the next room, throw himself down there, and start all over again. I guarantee you he won't bang his head against hard wood in the kitchen."
And lo and behold, she was right.
ArdAtak 5y ago
That dude has no fuckin pride or self respect. Shamelessly advertising to the world that he's addicted to a kid's game and allowing it affect his family life and standing with his LTR. Just pathetic. She's terrible too. But the type of standard default terrible which we all know about. But he's a rare beta.
VoxVirilis 5y ago
Bill Burr is never not relevant.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 5y ago
I'm glad this topic has been brought up. The main take away is, you can plainly see she was trying her utmost to antagonize him. You know she chose this time for a reason. The camera was on and she knew this. When she was successful in getting him to react she played it up as much as she could and played the victim the best she could.
Make no mistake this was calculated by her. It is not normal for someone to act how she was. She wanted out and she wanted to take him down while she was at it. If a woman is antagonizing you this much, leave. She is baiting you to throw your life away. Try to record your leaving and get some evidence that you are far away from her for the next few hours at least. Go for a long drive and get something to eat, save the receipt and then go back.
NoFaithInThisSub 5y ago
Mate that deadmouth guy sounds like a bogan from Western Sydney, or Logan Holme in Brisbane. (we have "rednecks" in Australia too).
yeap, seems like Western Sydney was correct (researched it).
ScribeThoth 5y ago
I'm curious. What's your perception of what I said about Aussies? Do you view it as more common there than in the US? Have you been here stateside or know a lot of Americans, by the way?
estrogenmilk 5y ago
Not sure about that bit on having preference for american men. Cant really find a word that fits but a type of ''arrogance'' has been common from my encounters with them. Had a friend say how she wouldn't date an american man again and that she'd been there and done that and I had a cackle of agreement putting 2 and 2 together as to why that may be.
NoFaithInThisSub 5y ago
My perception is that i know a bogan when i see one, and that is one sick bogan. it's obvious.
I was in the states a few months ago, and i did not meet any stereotypical bogan type rednecks. Americans i found to be very friendly but rude in general, where as in Australia, people are generally courteous but not friendly.
Xevalous 5y ago
Could you extrapolate on this? I don't quite understand what you mean.
NoFaithInThisSub 5y ago
USA people would chat to me (probably based on my accent alone they ALL loved it), but i found them to lack words in the vocabulary such as please, thank you, your welcome, and they were very demanding of each other. I witnessed this many many times in America.
In Australia the people would not be so demanding but are cold, not warm or friendly. It would be much harder to strike up a conversation for myself anyways, here in Australia, because of the nature of the people here.
I hope that made more sense.
drkinferno72 5y ago
Guy plays fortnite, not exactly a good choice either
Corporation_Pull-in 5y ago
Why are these people playing childrens' videogames and why are people watching them? Is this an actual way to make money?
ScribeThoth 5y ago
yeah. some of these guys are millionaires.
hearse223 5y ago
Theres a 7 year old whos the highest paid youtuber for 2018, he reviews childrens toys. $22 million in a year, there's a lot of money to be made out there appealing to children.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Could be said just as well from any sport (football anyone ?), poker and most non work activities ;)
Quo210 5y ago
Multiplayer* Video games are a decent source of money even if you don't stream.
Some game accounts can be sold by triple digit $ on the right market.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
If you compound the time spent this is actually terrible. An account worth more than one thousand has likely thousand of hours of connection time.
And you have to deduce the cost of the computer, the game often associated with a monthly plan.
If you manage more than $1/hour, you'd be lucky. Quite hard to leverage the $100/hour or more a greatly paid job would provide.
Acceptable_Camel 5y ago
The guy was a streamer of some means so I don't know how much money he was pulling in but it was either his job or a side hustle.
He's essentially "fired" now as Twitch will close his account if they haven't already.
Imagine losing your job because your wife barged in and started throwing shit at you telling you that you work too long hours.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
according to something i read he's a network engineer for one of the big telecom firms down under. When the feminists get him fired from that he's fucked... and so is wifey - you heard him, she doesn't pay the bills - he does.
DeontologicalSanders 5y ago
I've said this before, and I'll say it again:
Yes, if you deal with women on any kind of a regular basis, over time you will inevitably run into those who act out, scream at you, damage your property, and even hit you in an attempt to get a rise out of you. Yes, if you are any kind of man, you are at least twice as strong as any woman you're involved with, and striking her is a weak and underhanded move. And yes, if you do that, 99 times out of 100 you deserve to be looked down upon.
But this is not the reason why you never hit a woman.
You never strike a woman, because striking a woman is one of the worst strategic moves you can make as a man. Not only are you experiencing a catastrophic loss of frame and essentially "cheating" with your physical advantage in order to regain ground you should never have lost in the first place, but there is an enormous deficit in the severity of consequences for each party involved.
For her, the consequences are temporary. The violent irrational behavior you were attempting to curb by hitting her would have gone away anyway. The pain you inflicted to make her feel bad about that behavior will subside in short order. Even if you really hauled off and blacked her eye or something, even that will eventually fade.
But for you, the consequences of striking a woman can be permanent. That loss of frame you experienced? The fact that you lost control and had to break societal rules to keep her, a cute, timid little girl, in line? You're not getting that respect back. She calls the cops? You're going to fucking jail, just like that streamer guy did. But the worst case by far is the one where nothing happens. She never says anything. She doesn't call the cops. She doesn't tell her friends. All she does is open her front facing camera and take a pictures of the black eye, or the red handprint on her face. From now on, she has that shit in her back pocket. Now, at any moment of her choosing, she can bust that photo out and brand you a misogynist woman-beater to friends, family, future girlfriends, and even future employers.
You hit a woman, you're giving her leverage over you, and that's one of the worst positions a man can be in. Don't do it.
tempolaca 5y ago
Once I slapped my wife. She was screaming at and hitting my kid. Telling him everything bad in her life was his fault. That he was a ugly kid, and that nobody loves him. He was crying a lot, he was five. Told her to stop, she didn't and kept going at him.
Bought her to a room from her hairs, slapped the hell out of her, and leaved with my kid, to never come back. Up until this day I'm just sorry I should have punched her instead of just slapping.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
It's not inevitable. Not at all. But your point about giving her all the power is absolutely correct. I don't disagree.
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The reason I look down on men who hit their woman is not specifically about the slap, or for the bad strategy of it (though you are correct about that, no doubt). He didn't hurt her, right after you'll notice she gleefully shouts at the microphone that he's abusive and hit her and she's such a victim (which is what she wanted). This is often the case with men who lose it and whack their woman with an open hand.
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The reason I look down on them is that they didn't prevent it in the first place. By commanding and earning her respect as a man, and by not holding frame to de-escalate it.
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My understanding, by the way, is that the charges were dropped - probably because she 'started' it.
DeontologicalSanders 5y ago
You are correct on the first point. Inevitable was the wrong word to use.
One principle that guides me in dealing with women is one that I call "Schrodinger's Thot". It's the idea that every woman you meet is both a whore and not a whore, both stable and unstable, both fickle and loyal, until you uncover empirical evidence that confirms one or the other. Strategically, the best way to treat them is to enjoy women and be decent to them, but never to implicitly trust them.
You are going to run into women who act that way, because most will given the right circumstances. In all scenarios, her behavior is on her, but your ability to vet her and suss that behavior out is on you. That is the inevitability to which I am referring.
rogerramjetz 5y ago
I love it ! Lol. I'm using that !
duckyhs 5y ago
Same can be said of not striking a woman and letting her walk all over you as well in a situation wheres its turned violent. You dont fight back, you're now a weak man. You don't argue or put up a fight, you have no spine. Worse off, you get injured and theres no punishment for the offending party when defending yourself was the only option. Its a lose lose regardless. Hell even that one social experiment video that showed a man roughing his woman up in public because she was "cheating" or talking to other guys, all the white knights came rushing to her aid. Roles were reversed, people just snickered and laughed at him and nothing was done when the man was abused and socially was perceived as a weak individual. This entire social stigma of "never hit a woman for any reason" is horse shit, especially when it's rightfully deserved. Theres always 2 sides to a story. I never believe the first story I hear from my friends about someone until I've heard both sides because I know how easily things can get twisted. You as a person have a responsibility to you and yourself only, unless there is a child or dependent around you excluding offending parties, then it changes. Men being wrongfully assaulted by women is not ok and I'm a firm believe if you're gonna hit like a man youre gonna get hit like one too.
The woman in the video was obviously an out of control cunt and shouldn't have taken it to the point she did. The problem is that regardless of maintaining frame and trying to de-escalate, it doesnt always work. In this case she was assaulting him being unreasonable and did what he could within his power in the moment to shut down the conversation and she kept escalating. I feel he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't in this situation. Its all perception of the moment.
He very well could have tried holding frame but with a woman like that, I doubt it would have worked considering ive been around women like that. Absolutely insufferable women who play the victim card.
Also I love how the commenter said its toxic on "both ends" even before the slap. Pathetic white knighting.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
The guy could have left the room/house for a walk then going back later saying that if that was to ever happen again he would simply leave her.
askmrcia 5y ago
I'll add. I also absolutely hate the argument that just because a woman is weaker then you then you shouldn't strike back.
Yea a man that weighs 130lbs approaches you, pushes you in the face and starts saying your mom is a whore all you gym bros will hit back despite you out weighing him by a large amount.
The reason women in the video act the way they do is simply because society allows it. They know they can hit you, spit on you, and insult you in front of everyone because at the end of the day, they know they won't be punish.
From a law perspective, yes you should never hit a woman or anyone.
But from a moral perspective, I honestly wouldn't blame the guy for hitting back.
I'm the video the guy only slapped her. The whole Kareem Hunt shit? The guy pushed the girl and gave her a foot tap.
Yet everyone is calling these beatings and abuse. In both cases the women weren't even hurt.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
The inability to hold frame is a greater weakness than choosing not to physically retaliate when a far weaker person threatens you.
You most certainly have to react to the situation - but your reaction does not have to be physical retaliation.
IF you're a person who struggles with holding frame and you feel you cannot control yourself when challenged by a woman, kid, or weaker man - you need to practice self discipline and frame control. In the case of a woman, you need to get out of any relationship that could escalate anyway. That is to say, any relationship where you're seeing the early signs of disrespect and contempt coming your way.
Always hold frame. Calm and assertive. That's the energy, always. It might be the most important RP skill.
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ScribeThoth 5y ago
You got me. I definitely said you should stand there and take it. I’m going to go drink some more soy shakes now. Thanks for totally not acting like a woman by going off on some unrelated tangent and blowing it out of all proportion by using some mysterious extreme one off case you don’t even link to.
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wiffofass 5y ago
How is slapping a bitch not holding frame? I can be calm a slap some sense into a bitch.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
I'll accept that. But did the guy in the video hold frame?
wiffofass 5y ago
Didn't watch. I'm not disagreeing with you. There's a beta way to slap a woman and there's an alpha way. I prefer to slap women during sex only. In the face too as some really dig it. They are not that fragile.
UnleashYourLife 5y ago
I'm going to throw this out here for the argument's sake
What do you do when she just won't stop? What happens when she goes apeshit?
I already know the answer, but I'm curious to see what others think about the issue. I mean shouldn't there be a fucking line where a woman deserves to get her teeth knocked in when she knowingly crosses it? Or do we just bend over and take it?
Mazcok 5y ago
"Societal Norms" can be taken advantage of. BDSM is common and accepted in today's society.
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Tie her up.
Strip her naked.
Flog her ass with a multitail whip until its black and blue. (just her ass)
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If she calls the cops, say the bruises are from rough sex.
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warburgio 5y ago
I have once seen a guy bend over his girl on his knee like a child and gave her few slaps to the bum , just like an annoying child. She was deflated, embarrassed and obedient all of the sudden. Everybody was what just happened?! wtf?! but it worked.
Mazcok 5y ago
Flogging her ass is accepted in today's BDSM culture. It's mainstream.
No cop is going to arrest you for a few handprints on the ass, or even bruising from a flogger. Your defense is "rough sex".
bakamoney 5y ago
What's with the slapping children's butts off thing.
In my culture we got beaten up like normal :D
EdmondDantes777 5y ago
WTF? You sound insane. No. Just walk away if it ever gets to that point. It's best to never get in to that situation with girls you hate and who hate you in the first place.
redpect 5y ago
He is probably saying for example, if a drunken woman in a club start to harass you for whatever reason, you say "oh well fellas, time to go to bed!" and leave.
Probably that is the best strategy, but we all know that if that human were a 140 pound male you would drop that guy to the floor with a nice jab. He is probably pointing that a woman DESERVES the same, but she does not suffer the consecuences.
I know the world is like that, but i dont see why you would say that he is insane for pointing that.
So the response is: Yes, it should be a line where a woman should get her teeth knocked and deal with it, and plenty of traditional cultures have that line in place, but we have failed enough collective shit test to erase that line completely.
UnleashYourLife 5y ago
Combination of White Knight and Cultural Brainwashing that sits deep within. In short, he's still a BP that will most likely get cucked if he sees a situation with violence against women.
Notice how I'm all of a sudden insane for trying to incite a discussion by providing a thought provoking argument.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
You just walk away man. You can't let her get you that angry. Whatever hysterical bullshit she's spewing isn't worth the consequences and shouldn't bother you. Just walk away and burn the phone number. If it's your wife or in some other way you can't just immediately permanently cut it off, you just leave her alone and let her learn what it's like not having you around. She'll either beg you to come back, or you'll find your way out in a sane way where you have more control.
Dawnguards 5y ago
" you just leave her alone and let her learn what it's like not having you around."
Dude, they were living togethere, are you telling you would leave the home and children? Lol... you look so funny.
" She'll either beg you to come back, or you'll find your way out in a sane way where you have more control."
Even more bluepill nonsense. At worst she will tell cops that he left her and children - that will get him in trouble even more. How old are you??
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Bud, living together, kids, whatever, you can still walk out of there and head to a hotel. It's probably better for the kids to not have that fighting anyway for a time, especially when they are little.
I'm telling you, when you make yourself and all the important things you do scarce, it makes people realize how important you actually are. Let her figure out how to pay the bills for a few weeks without you. It's a power move. It's equally applicable in the corporate world.
We're talking law 8, law 11, law 16 and 17. all related, but in particular 16.
This is not blue pill at all, in fact it's in virtually all of the red pill friendly books out there expressed directly or indirectly.
Independence and not permitting ANYONE, even her, to fuck with you is key to red pill philosophy. It's essential.
As to leaving a relationship, you always want control of how that goes down. If your relationship ends with you breaking her jaw you have handed her all the control. She owns you and the government owns you. If you walk away, or secretly plan your exit before you walk away, you will have control - everything happens on your terms then. Need a lawyer, to move money, to find backup plans, etc - get it prepared before she knows you're planning anything. Then, when it's time to take action, if necessary go full scorched earth.
Not that it matters to understand the advice I'm giving, but I'm 41 and I have more than enough life experience both through observation and through events in my own life to know this is solid, orthodox red pill advice.
odin1111 5y ago
this is why you need to read the sidebar.
UnleashYourLife 5y ago
Good answer.
You see, here's where my fascination with the current situation comes into play.
It basically boils down to the fact that:
She Knows Her Adversary
When a woman is hitting a man, she's well aware that she's facing someone who's stronger than her. She knows that the dude will destroy her in seconds if he so desires.
The problem here is that she hits a man with a knowledge that social norms - "a real man doesn't hit a woman" - will protect her.
It's like saying I would go and hit Mike Tyson in his prime because I know that fighters are considered "lethal weapons", and thus are not allowed to fight (not that it doesn't happen) due to their bread and butter being at stake.
Thing is, Good Old Mike will destroy me, and that's coming from someone who used to box. Does it seem like a smart idea on my part? Obviously no. But I'm a rational man who understands that not everything plays by the rules in the jungle. I can still get fucked by Mike despite the fact that norms will be on my side.
A woman is different. By her nature she's a conformist and a herd creature that will follow the rule of the herd. If the rules says that "a woman can hit a man, but a man can't do that to a woman", she will abuse it. She knows it. If the rules said that women had to bend over and take it deep into the arse, they would. However that is only if those rules benefits her in someway.
A benefit can be that a man can't hit her back, or it can be that she knows that a man WILL hit her back. Which means that in Islamic countries, it is to a woman's benefit to not hit a man because he will fuck her up, it is in her benefit to do what the man demands because otherwise there will be trouble. In Anglocuck countries, there is a benefit to women hitting men because they know they can get away.
Obviously we can explain that one is due to fear and the other due to arrogance, but I'm not sold on that. I know it's the easier explanation but then it would be a man in me explaining a man's POV, a rational one. How can someone rational explain irrational beings?
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Well said, I'll even go a little further. When a woman hits a man it's really not her that's threatening. It's her army of white knights with badges who very likely will not care that she hit the man first.
Were it not for this bias, or for rule of law itself, women would be a hell of a lot more respectful to men. As you say, without the social/cultural norm of 'a man can't hit a woman back' that army of men with badges and cages would not be there to do as she pleases. We take for granted the rule of law, but as you say, in the law of the jungle, all you have are men with costumes committing their own violence when they come and avenge her.
So while it's true that the dude will destroy her in a fight (at that moment), her dudes will destroy him in the war to follow. It's enough to make one question our justice system itself, not just the way it's implemented in our culture.
seeing_it_in_red 5y ago
What about situations where you can't walk away? I do 100% agree with you, that you should never strike a woman, and not for any moral high ground. But because of how easily it can ruin your reputation and future.
Now the reason why I ask this, is there are either people working in industries, (police, security, bouncers to clubs etc) or in situations where woman will resort to group attacks or even weapons. You can find videos of shit like this on other subs or youtube, where thankfully, the whole thing was being recorded, which likely saved the guys ass in the insuring legal aftermath.
My thoughts on this matter, is that you should always use appropriate force when necessary but only as a last resort. Always exhaust all other options first where possible before you have to fight. And if a fight is inevitable, then either match or only slightly exceed the force your attacker is using. This isn't just in relation to attacks from women, but from men as well. This is a mentality that can fit into someones frame well if they wish.
As for women specifically, as it states on the side bar, treat them like an unruly teenager. One tactic I've had to use in the past with an unruly drunk woman after she hit me twice, was to look them in the eye and with a cold calm voice, told them. "That was your freebie, if you hit me again then I will treat you like I would a man." She backed off in a instant. This was helped by the fact there was someone as witness as well.
Of course, usual stuff still applies, always have evidence of some sort to back up your case where possible (witnesses, recordings) and always make sure the following situation is going to be in your favour. But if its getting to a situation where your life might be at risk, then defend yourself.
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ScribeThoth 5y ago
I think you said it pretty well. Although I wouldn't play the game with a woman at a bar, she's drunk enough to hit you, and juries are dumb enough to give her your next 10 years of earnings.
estrogenmilk 5y ago
Had my own situation which resulted in a phone call behind my back and 2 female cops arriving at the door while I seemingly did fuck all sometimes it's just lose or lose. I didn't give them anything as I had no idea of what they had been told which I imagine made me look suspicious. like the obove scenario I've seen plenty before of women playing chicken with the wall. my question is: what do you do when they block a doorway and refuse to move.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Honestly, if it’s gotten to the point where she feels like she can trap you in a room and dominate you by blocking doorways or taking your keys or otherwise preventing you from leaving you’re gonna have to eat some shit.
You let it get that bad and it’s irreperable.
My advice, eat some shit now, tell her something she wants to hear, defuse the situation, and waltz out later - and never ever look back - and never let it get that bad next time.
estrogenmilk 5y ago
This was all some years ago with a cracked egg of a woman It's like owning a dog with several past owners you never know what bad behaviour has been learned. The scenario caught me off guard as all was calm and normal for her to suddenly appear in the doorway with an agenda of no good intentions. I proceeded to sit down in my chair and play nice whilst brainstorming 1000 options of how one would get through the door or at what point she would leave. After a silly game of patience with her attempting to escalate and me being an unreactive castrate she eventually left. The event didn't escalate and nothing that would raise an eyebrow happened so I thought I had won and played my cards right perhaps I did but it didn't end there.
As I did not provide the drama she craved unknowned to me a phone call was made. A web of lies was spun perhaps I raped her, hit her spat on her who knows what was said and what was said would have been believed and 2 female cops on the scene certainly doesn't do me any favours. Not only was I trapped in a room but also in a metaphorically trapped scenario and as far as I'm concerned: Checkmate
seeing_it_in_red 5y ago
Scribe is right in that something like this needs to be prevented in the first place. But no one is an all seeing god.
I'm not American. But if something like that happens. Get recording right away, phone, tapedeck. Whatever you can do to record the interaction. I know the odds are stacked against men, more so in America. But that doesn't mean you can't come out on top. Just means you need to be prepared, work harder and keep others guessing your next move.
If you can might be time to lawyer up as hard as you can. Even if it cost you financial, make sure your reputation is pretected as best you can.
Ansec 5y ago
Nagging wife gets divorce papers. It's easier to pay child support than it is to put up with that. Never hit a woman. Just say fine you're going to be like this I want a divorce. Take the kids I don't care. I'll tell them it was your decision when they're older. And I can find a hotter better woman that treats me right. When I say I'll be done in a min, I mean it.
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nebder 5y ago
dont waste your time gossiping
qwerty8008135 5y ago
Beating a woma. Is like beating a kid
ScribeThoth 5y ago
should never slap a kid either. same rules apply, but it's even worse when it's a kid. at least an adult has had an opportunity to learn self control, kids haven't. they're still learning, and they learn from the men in their lives. if they see you being an authoritarian dickface who smacks weaker people around, they're more likely to be one too when they get older.
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and then we have left wing male feminists running the country into the ground and making every damn thing we do illegal - because authority boot licking.
Gmann14 5y ago
Nope, I never learned better when I gotta swift whooping as a kid when I did something I wasnt supposed to, was a brat or just a fkn retard. And wamen are children. Quick 1,2 combo and they calm down..
Drink your soymilk OP
Auvergnat 5y ago
Oh you mean like they're making slapping kids illegal?
Come on man. Snap awake now. For millenia, kids have been disciplined and they did not grow up into male feminists making every damn thing illegal. Raging leftists are not forged in conservative households.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
I wouldn’t make spanking illegal.
I’m saying why you shouldn’t need to and how to employ RP skills to avoid it.
wiffofass 5y ago
Wrong again. I was a real cunt of a kid and I'm glad I got slapped like a bitch. It made me less of a cunt now. I totally deserved it. You can slap/punish someone and not lose self control.
Where is this sensitive bullshit coming from? A real fucking alpha bastard doesn't take shit from anyone. People don't disrespect or fuck with him because they know something would happen. He doesn't lose self control when he shows what happens.
ScribeThoth 5y ago
Walk softly and carry a big stick. Not bust through the room flexing and invite everyone to challenge you.
anyway, if you were a cunt as a kid your old man was probably a shitty example.
wiffofass 5y ago
I didn't have an old man. That's the problem. It was one of my male teachers that slapped and hit me in the stomach. I almost bought a gun to kill him though. I was that fucked up.
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