In case you haven't been to Toronto, it has a huge prostitution/escort industry. Im relatively young at the age of 26 with a good web dev job, and have been seeing escorts for the better part of the last 2-3 years. I even helped some of them build websites, advertise and give business advice.
At first when seeing them I was a virgin and beta as can be, and I would be their emotional tampon when seeing them, thinking they were normal human beings who just happened to fall into hard times.
But boy was I wrong, these women are absolutely broken and beyond repair. They become more cold, jaded, and less able to pair bond after every client they see. They are very good at hiding it when seeing clients. Ironically I find that the sweeter they were with clients the more cold and jaded they were in real life.
One of these hoes told me while she was tipsy that she hates having sex with her boyfriend because shes not getting payed. I laughed it off, but it goes to show you how fucked up these women are.
I shit you not, when I was managing a website for one agency and was browsing through their employment application pics, I got curious and looked up their names on facebook and a good chunk of the girls had boyfriends(who didn't know), talking about how they cant wait to see them and shit. WTF??
Theres absolutely no question in my mind now, that the type of women that has the thought process to decide "I want to be a hoe" is beyond repair. Dont even try and pull off a Drake and waste your time and energy trying to change their minds.
keepitsteady 9y ago
Can confirm on the jaded/broken part.
Source: Gf of 2 years cheated on me and was an escort in secret. Cold as ice.
waitfor_ittt 9y ago
In his comment history on an AskReddit thread about "something an SO revealed to you that made you end the relationship on the spot":
"Was dating two other dudes at the same time for the entirety of the relationship. One of whom lived across the country. Aaand was a hooker for the thrill of it.
Yep."
Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
Please you got to post this shit up
bustanutmeow 9y ago
Where is the story time? This I gotta hear.
monsieurhire2 9y ago
Same thing happened to a friend of mine.
phoenix_md 9y ago
Story time! Alright, let's hear it all...
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Sherlock--Holmes 9y ago
My god they can lie can't they.. I couldn't keep a secret like that for 5 minutes.
eLZhi 9y ago
that's why i prefer to be honest or lie by omission, because sooner or later all the lies will catch up with you...
keepitsteady 9y ago
It's unbelievable how long she kept it up. Like goddamn.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
You've got to share this story dude. Don't leave us hangin' like that.
keepitsteady 9y ago
/u/waitfor_ittt pretty much nailed the TL;DR part of it.
But you're right, it is indeed story time.
We met working at a grocery store when I was about 19 and she was turning 17. Definitely a mistake in hindsight, but whatever. To say I got laid plenty would be a huge understatement. She seemed to really like me, just got out of my first real relationship and we really genuinely hit it off.
Fast forward about 2 years through shit tons of standard daddy issue drama and intermittent breaks and her trying to make me feel guilty for hanging with my friends, I was pretty drained trying to keep her happy. It pretty much got to the point where she would just come over, bang and leave. She was always busy and always had to be somewhere, and being the trusting person that I was I never really questioned it. A lot of the time the conversation would just go to something along the lines of "I hate myself, I'm a shitty person but I can't tell you why".
It got sketchy after I went to my first Coachella weekend ever and offered her to come with me so that we could both have a bitching time and be together. She flat out refused insisting she had shit to do even after her complaining she needed a vacation. Fine. Whatever. I still had a fucking amazing time and came back rejuvenated from all the bullshit. Lo and behold the next weekend she just lays it on me that she's going to Florida for the weekend to spend it with her verbally abusive ex-boyfriend whom she previously dated over the internet.
Uhhhhhhh wat?
"Oh, its not gonna be like that, I just need to get out of here for a bit. Just don't call or text me when I'm there". What the fuck? I was pretty much done at that point and come Monday I was gonna end things for good. But even that wasn't gonna prepare me for the shit storm that was about to ensue.
I get like 4 or 5 missed calls from her that Saturday, thinking that maybe she really did mean it and maybe she missed me. I call her back and Florida guy answers. He tells me to brace myself for what I'm about to hear. He went through her phone and finds out that not only had she been dating him for the last 3 years and another guy in Cali for 1 year, but she had been having sex for money behind all of our backs for the last year.
What. The. Fuck.
Needless to say I was pretty devastated. I never thought someone would lie to my face about so much shit for so long. And there I was emotionally drained, priorities all around her, out of shape, with nothing really to fall back on. I was really more pissed that I went in raw so many times with her doing that shit.
Yes I am clean. Thankfully.
She moved out there to start over and be with him and didn't even make it past 2 months before she left. Hence the verbally and now apparently physically abusive boyfriend. She was barely turning 19 when shit hit the fan. Never knew people would be capable of that kind of thoughtlessness. Such is life I guess.
Still tries talking to me to this day.
And that's why I'm here today!
sabdfl 9y ago
Sounds like a standard borderline waif to me.
NS_whitey 9y ago
At least that guy warned you. Who knows how long she could have kept the charade going.
200mgtestc 9y ago
I was going to say. What a bro.
thederpist666 9y ago
Moral of story, no matter how much you trust your girlfriend always wrap up.
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nillotampoco 9y ago
Florida man did you a favor.
keepitsteady 9y ago
He really did. He was just a bat shit crazy as she was. They deserved each other.
RXRob 9y ago
If you hadn't mentioned America then I'd be wondering if this was my ex.
AWALT brother
Philhelm 9y ago
Or maybe it's the same woman after all, and she traveled far and wide. j/k
keepitsteady 9y ago
Straight up. It's a damn shame it took me so long to realize that.
RXRob 9y ago
We're the lucky ones. We learned from the experience
bppg 9y ago
Dude that is terrifying. How did you not see the red flags? Was she that good at deception?
keepitsteady 9y ago
She was young and really pretty. It's funny now that I think about it because she would joke about how "innocent" she was. I laughed it off but she was not kidding at all. Complete 180 opposite. Cheating was maybe not so far off but she would get SO JEALOUS around my female friends. It wasn't hard at all for her to lie to your face.
Also she always had 20's and 10's in her car side pocket all the time. It's what I get for being an optimist I guess
byronshadow 9y ago
Well, he was 21.
When I was that age my male hamster was in overdrive. I thought I knew everything so I'd ignore obvious red flags and advice from more experienced friends.
exit_sandman 9y ago
Yeah, that's the problem when hormones and a fervent belief in twu wuv take over your capacity for logical thinking.
my_redpill_account 9y ago
That's the worst. Ignored so much advice and would've saved me tons of time a few years ago. But if I hadn't been through it all I wouldn't be here in this sub today.
It sucks to see the same thing happening to a friend. Knows his GF is a total shit bag but thinks she's the hottest girl and he can't do better. Talk about settling then letting her walk all over him. She's hot but her personality is fucking crazy.
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netarangi 9y ago
Holy fuck sorry to hear that man. Bitches huh.. We're you aware at all that she was a whore? How did you find out?
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imnotsupersure 9y ago
Surely Pretty Woman wasn't a fluke.
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prodigyx 9y ago
Wow, you found a way to make web dev interesting. How are they as clients? I'd imagine that they are much easier to work with then small businesses.
notrustled 9y ago
this post reflects on some things I read in a hungarian article. it was about the extensive whoring in our little country where they made interviews with females in the industry. I'm planning on posting it one day (translation of the more interesting bits + some of my thoughts). a reminder that it doesn't really matter where you are, whores are just gonna be whores.
Dongbei 9y ago
That sounds interesting. Having lived in China I've made a number of friends from Hungary. Funny thing is in China you meet these hot girls from Russia and other eastern European countries who say they're "Students" or "English Teachers" yet they're blinged out in mad stones, weekend in Thailand, and own a pet Chinchilla. Sure, babe...
csehszlovakze 9y ago
Could you link it? I'm curious what our little workers are up to.
ntrphy 9y ago
I do not want to offend you but Hungary was the country where I lost my V-card to an Magyar escort :) So when I saw your post about industry in Hungary, I feel a bit interested. Vislat
TheEagleEyedTiger 9y ago
That screws my hopes for finding a Hungarian wife. I'm half Hungarian and I figured going to the fatherland could be solid LTR wise. I don't know what I expected honestly.
apachemd 9y ago
Having lived in Hungary for 5 years, I can state with confidence that there are a lot of great LTR/wife there. But stick to the 17-20 yo's outside of Budapest. Try Debrecen, Szeged, Nyiregyhaza, and Pecs, or go even smaller. Lots of really good and beautiful and charming and pure young girls in those cities. The best LTR I've ever had was when I was 23, she was 17. We went out for two years before I had to move back to the USA. She was incredible in every way. Although I haven't been in Hungary for 10+ years, I'm pretty sure there are still girls like her there.
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There are good women alot of places. It's naive to think certain countries produce only loyal or conniving spouses. RP is about not being naive & then dealing with the world as a doormat.
I know a beautiful girl from Hungary who is kind, fun & loyal & I know one who is a materialistic slutty caked on makeup "beauty" (sarcasm intended) with a bad attitude. She used to stay out all night with her boyfriend & have him drive her home to her husband in the morning. The husband would brag about how he "wanted to make sure his soon to be ex wife still has health insurance after the divorce". The guy/husband was broke but I'm sure thought his white Knight statements were going to make her panties wet again. It didn't.
Her new "boyfriend" made her get a job in a strip club, convinced her to buy an overpriced house in both their names & then "married" her once she was convinced no marriage certificate was needed (bs) & used a fake minister. She works & has affairs hoping to trade up & the new "husband" sits at home screwing girls he meets online. Everybody is different.
All girls are not whores, but if you are wimp.. They will be on the lookout for more masculinity.
Hank711 9y ago
There are millions of women there who are not whores, if that's something you really care about.
rKremlin 9y ago
All women see sex as transactional in nature. It's just what and how you will pay that is in dispute.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Depends on how you define "whore." ALL women demand payment from LTR's. ALL. Sure you playyaa's may get some NSA sex but in a "monogamous" relationship ALL women demand payment- so I say that makes ALL of them whores.
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There's still a difference between a woman who accepts being cared for in exchange for sex and a woman who has made a conscious decision to fuck hundreds or thousands of men for cash up front.
zuk1 9y ago
TBH I really don't view them like that. I'd say a lot of escorts are a lot more mature and far more red pill than the average woman.
Earning potentially hundreds of thousands a year for what most sluts do for free isn't exactly hard times.
BrowDawg 9y ago
The earnings are incredibly relative. Backpage girls barely make a scraping by. Escorts are highly dependent on being visible and pay day Fridays. Not all girls make as much as they're told they will and the ones that have pimps barely keep anything at all. Not to mention other costs like the drugs that you need to keep yourself desensitized to the daily cock buffet ... hotels, muscle (security) etc etc etc
It's all very hard for them. It's one of those sales jobs that you only ever hear about the really successful ones and not the increasingly impoverished.
zuk1 9y ago
I'm probably wrong about the first part now that I think about it. It's not like I'd date an escort. It's just that they've removed the bullshit before sex that most women pull and have made it basically what it is for most women anyway. A transaction.
BBB2000 9y ago
Which comes first, the chicken or the egg, aka the inablity to pair bond before she even fucks alot of guys.
Sluts are usually sluts before they even bang. So I don't know how we prove girls who are unable to pair bond is CAUSATION because of partner count.
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A_ORiON_Man 9y ago
Some might be more sexual, but the girls who run around being sluts before they fuck, are (A) child of MTV or (B) No father figure, and older sisters that condone whoring.
oldredder 9y ago
which is... almost all women.
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TekkomanKingz 9y ago
Toronto has a huge escort industry because NEWSFLASH - Toronto has some of the shittiest civilian Women worldwide!!! LOL
seabass_bones 9y ago
At risk of generalising I must admit I have met some of the weirdest females when I was living in Toronto. When interacting with women in Toronto I felt as if they were looking at man as potential rapists. Just weird.
craig_hoxton 9y ago
The city where 6's think they're 9's.
ChadThundercockII 9y ago
Yesterday I was with the some guys hanging out and shit. We see two girls, a 4 and a 6 at best. Things escalated quickly and I don't remember why I was talking to them. The ugly one was bitchy as fuuuuuck.
So yeah, 5s thinking they are 9s. Cool thing though is that the 6 wasn't bitchy at all and actually wanted to talk.
captainpixystick 9y ago
That's everywhere anymore it seems. Women can just fix their faces with makeup, post their best pics online, and get their egos stroked all day long.
Cyralea 9y ago
You'd be surprised. Go to any mid-sized American city, it's pretty easy to game women of your SMV or just under. Sacramento is one of my favourites, girls there are easy as shit.
Toronto though? 5's and 6's act like you are privileged to be in their vicinity. They expect every guy they run into to be a man-servant of some kind. The entitlement is fucking insane.
kirby987 9y ago
So true, thanks for the info on Sac lol
realdev 9y ago
Yeah well, they all have nasty surprises waiting for them in their 30's and 40's.
RU_Crazy 9y ago
The bigger surprise is waiting for the unsuspecting guy who gets roped into a marriage two kids and a divorce.
AngraMainyuu 9y ago
And yet I hear Toronto is a hub of feminism. Go figure.
Iupvoteforknowledge 9y ago
That's literally what he just explained. Toronto is huge on prostitutes because the market demands it. Because the women are shitty. Because of the hardcore feminism.
RealRational 9y ago
Apparently they made it illegal December 6th, 2014. So, the feminists won yet another battle.
oldredder 9y ago
Not really. All these agencies are fully legal on 2015 Apr 5th.
It's never illegal for a woman to sell her time by the hour.
It's never illegal for adults to have consenting sex.
So one followed by the other is legal.
STARVE_THE_BEAST 9y ago
How did it become such a feminist stronghold?
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
A strong government that shields women from responsibilities and consequences. The more childlike they are treated, the more "oppressed" the upper middle class white women feel
life_manager 9y ago
Is that really a question? I mean, it's all huskies storing their fat for winter up there. What do you think the average feminist looks like? You don't see entitled, high-status, good looking women complaining about over-sexualization and "male priviledge."
surfjihad 9y ago
And how does it compare to Sweden?
Cyralea 9y ago
From everything I've read about Sweden, they're even worse off. While it's pretty bad here, it hasn't reached the point where it's a vag-worshipping matriarchy.
There's a reason why Sweden has the highest antidepressant use in the world. Probably the highest viagra use too.
theuppertwenty 9y ago
The antidepressant and viagra use/abuse is due to the lack of sunlight in the winter, which causes a lack of vitamin d3 levels, which in turn causes testosterone levels to plummet, making men depressive and lustless.
As for the feminist policies, it's all true. You can get away with a lot though if you've got some SMV and you're a charming jerk (with emphasis on charming).
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"Dont even try and pull off a Drake and waste your time and energy trying to change their minds." That nigga disappoints so hard. Crying over strippers and shit.
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Dongbei 9y ago
Drake is the opposite of Vin Diesel.
loin_fruit 9y ago
"Don't save her she don't want to be saved. Don't save her" - j cole: no role modelz.
arbyq5000 9y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGobXsmPx78
RosewoodPill 9y ago
srsly man you failed on this one. That is like saying;
"The thing about music when it hits you feel no pain" - Drake
No. - Bob Marley
and for yours.. - Project Pat
loin_fruit 9y ago
Lol what? lol they both said the same thing. How about you look it up. J cole- no role modelz. You fucked up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBe6fFejsPU
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loin_fruit 9y ago
Does it really mean that much to you who I'm quoting? That I chose to quote j cole over project pat? Get a life dude
rpthrow1 9y ago
Can't make a hoe a house wife.
Most hip hop is red pill as fuck. It's not all women, but garbage how's will remain garbage hoes.
Simple, does she make her own money ( and only lives on her own or with a nigga if she can afford to). Alright.
If she doesn't work or makes 9$ an hour wanting YOU to buy you shit at brooks brothers, drop the bitch.
zigg-_-zagg 9y ago
A bitch is a bitch, but a Dogg is a man's best friend
So what you found you a ho that you like
But you can't make a ho a housewife
RosewoodPill 9y ago
CHronic 2001 lyrics teach you everything you need to know about women.
scrodzilla 9y ago
Dr. Dre laid it all out years ago, for real.
There was a time when it was considered romantic for a rich guy in novels/movies/plays to be a white knight and "rescue" a woman from prostitution: Pretty Woman, Trading Places, Night Shift, Don Quixote, etc. What a legitimately horrific idea.
MagneticJohnson 9y ago
they should have included a montage of Julia Roberts banging johns before she meets Richard Gere. I wonder how "romantic" the movie might have been then.
solaris1990 9y ago
Hmmm... in all fairness, society was different once upon a time. Prostitution was just a way for many women to survive (still is that in some places) and you had huge chunks of poor women doing it. I don't think it's fair to compare to the escorts OP is talking about - the psychology is different.
Having said that, a rich guy 'rescuing' a woman from prostitution just so you can make her his, there's something a bit off about that, still far from romantic for me.
EDIT: disclaimer: have not read any of the books, just speaking generally.
oldredder 9y ago
former escort driver here: NOTHING has changed.
solaris1990 9y ago
What do you mean? Escorts by definition earn a nice penny, no? How do you become an escort driver lol?
oldredder 9y ago
I knew someone working the phones who got me the job
post_high 9y ago
J cole talks abt that shot on his new record
TRPtophan 9y ago
Yeah, too bad it sucks. Mozart all up in this bitch. \m/
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Most hip hop is a fantasy of porn/violence like lyrical images to make superbetas feel like they are badasses. It's an escape for wimps. You want to man up? Stop listening to fantasy porn/gun unicorn stories.
rpthrow1 9y ago
I listen to what I want.
You can take away don't cuff em without thinking your a gangster.
Hatorader 9y ago
Really? Is that why so many rappers end up with 12 baby mamas and married to a chimp? Yeah they're so hard /s
surfjihad 9y ago
Many big time rappers have the same wife since early on. Ice Cube, Snoop
RPDBF 9y ago
Unless your juicy and keep wrapped up like Christmas paper
rpthrow1 9y ago
The actual music and these dumb niggas getting trapped are two different things
You want to keep it real hood, fuck , and let another nigga claim the kids. I know dudes avoiding child support this way.
Hatorader 9y ago
Sounds more like the music is a reflection of the kind of man they wanna be. But I agree, the music tends to be RP although unrefined, but their actions in real life? Not so much.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
you can't rap about who you REALLY are dude, are you an idiot?
Yeah, I stay 100, got poss-ibili-ties, But I'm a human being with mad in-securi-ties!
No that shit wouldn't work. Lol of course your rapping how you want to be perceived, most of it is a bunch of cocky bullshit you say that sounds good.
drunkandstoned 9y ago
Eminem and Kanye both speak extensively of their own insecurities, don't try to analyze art forms that you don't understand, just admit you don't like it and move on.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
yeah and you think kanye is who he is in his raps? he doesn't talk about himself as a person, but as an overblown version of himself for the masses. it's not art, or at least not pure art because of the "real nigga" requirement "the game" has. eminem is the only rapper who portrays a real version of himself, but that's only because he really is a crazy pill head. if you're gonna be mainstream you have to fit into one of three categories:
insane.
real nigga.
ex-junkie.
you can't rap about normal shit. it's not an art form that lends itself to that.
drunkandstoned 9y ago
The "real nigga" requirement is like requiring a guitar to be rock music, it is an aesthetic feature of the music - don't like it, fine - it's not your culture. Look up Kanye's music, read the analysis of New Slaves or Diamonds from Sierra Lione on rapgenius and tell me that this is not an artform delivering poigniant critiques of society.
The "real nigga requirement" is what makes rap The Last Safe Space - you should appreciate that there is at least one genre of music that isn't afraid to criticize feminism, because they've take every criticism of misogyny, of being too "thuggish" and agreed and amplified to absurdity.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
Is real nigga just black person with money? Cause it seems like that's all modern rappers rap about, like Drake, and whatnot.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
it also means being "hard" and shit, lot of redpill tenants honestly though.
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makethemsayayy 9y ago
well yeah nobody listening to rap would understand it, but that would be too transcendent for rap. drake admits insecurities but he's beta, but you're right, it could be done.
life_manager 9y ago
Eh, I reported you and rather than give you any emotion, I'm just going to wait for you to be banned from RP. Obvious troll is obvious.
Hatorader 9y ago
Dude if the mods ban me for telling the truth then you guys have way bigger issues.
oldredder 9y ago
meh, every human is a mostly-hairless monkey. Did you think otherwise?
life_manager 9y ago
Your name is Hatorader, you go off spouting nonsense racism and it's not even like questionably plausible. You're a dumbass. You claim that the race that created jazz can't "understand" music. You cite Beethoven who I'm certain you don't give a damn about and 'Le wrong generation' Pink Floyd who I'm certain you smoked a couple doobies to and now you're like, totally better than other people. You're also speaking about men who have made millions upon millions of dollars honing a craft, creating an image, and creating music that you specifically can't relate to cause you're some 32 year old white male with no experience growing in the environment. Go back to whatever cesspool you crawled out of and think more about what you're implying.
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ChaletBoy 9y ago
I dated an escort once upon a time. Disregarded a lot of red flags over the time we dated. There are a lot of shady ass people in this world, and I have a hard time believing I'd come across them as much as I have...how evil can some people be in normal every day life? Turns out, very. She turned out to be a con artist basically.
I tracked down about 5 other guys she conned into a 'relationship' with from the past. A couple were still quite bitter. She went to prison because a couple of these dudes were that heartbroken they wanted revenge and turned her in 3 times over so far. Every time she gets a second chance (pussy pass probation system) they figure out a way to send her back.
From what I learned so far in life, any sex related industry attract primarily broken women. They are uneducated, skilless, and hopeless. They are rotten to the core, but it's hard to see it past how fun they can be...initially. There are hundreds of thousands of them too: porn stars, backpage girls, street walkers, strippers, instagram 'models'. It's sad all those good looks are wasted for a few quick bucks that very few of them are intelligent enough to invest for a future outside of that world they think so highly of. Most blow it all quite quickly, ALWAYS thinking "I'll just make more".
The sad truth of it all is that none of them can make it on their own. They need men. And they hate that fact. Every client, every beta boyfriend, every alpha with no commitment, these girls, at the back of their minds despise that they are the playthings of men, no matter what they achieve in life.
BayStreetBaller 9y ago
couldn't have said it better myself.
oldredder 9y ago
I would consider dating an escort over any others because they have money so there's no reason I'm paying for anything.
Sounds cold but if the sex is good and she's always got money I got my bases covered and I won't get attached. I'm tired of being the one expected to pay for dinners, gifts, etc., and as a driver I've seen how these women with money buy gold watches, dinners, etc., for their boyfriends so hey...
why can't I be the gold-digger?
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
Sorry, I know we're not supposed to ask these kinds of things, but in your view, if those girls hate being the playthings of men, why don't they simply stop? They could stop being whores, and go to school, get a regular job, and support themselves. It's not like that is impossible in today's world for a woman.
If being the playthings of men is what they hate most, why do they choose to only be that?
ChaletBoy 9y ago
Have you ever been poor before?
Either way, these women have a choice...get paid $1000 dollars a day to have sex 3-4 times for 4 hours of work....Or actually go into debt paying for school that they aren't smart enough to get by in, work a regular job where they have little to no work ethic in the first place to do well at. And support themselves...sounds like a lot of effort. You're giving these women too much credit.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
Yes, I know what it's like to struggle for money. I dropped out of a corporate job, and lived in my car for a year, doing everything possible to get myself onto my feet, while avoiding that grind. I can't even tell you about a lot of the things I did to keep myself alive during that time.
I was willing to do that to avoid something I hated.
While the money for being an escort makes obvious sense, if that's the MAIN FUCKING THING YOU HATE in life, then you should be willing to do ANYTHING to avoid it.
So it makes no sense to me.
TronCheadle 9y ago
This isn't an option for everyone, most people even.
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DRMMR76 9y ago
Because they have no value whatsoever outside of that. A man uses his mind to create and provide for himself. A woman uses her body to convince the man to give what he's created so she can provide for herself. The man can exist without her. She cannot exist without him.
TronCheadle 9y ago
Enormously reductionate lol
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
Ok, but dealing with objective reality here, if you are living in America in 2015, a woman can go get any job a man can, by law. There are tons of women who go to university and get employed with high salaries, and who have all the tools to support themselves.
Or am I completely schizophrenic here?
Sawagurumi 9y ago
Really the extreme end of the normal spectrum. Men have evolved to extract resources from their environment. Women have evolved to extract resources from men.
Which is not to say that women didn't extract resources from their environment too, in a hunter-gatherer society, it was commonly the women that did the gathering, and what they gathered was often the mainstay. But the high quality protein and fat came from hunting, and that was too arduous and dangerous with children in tow. Same thing now with chimpanzees: the males hunt colobus monkeys, and the females offer sexual favours in exchange for some of the meat.
hamstercide 9y ago
I thought prostitution was illegal in Canada? How does this business operate? Where do you find such escorts?
BayStreetBaller 9y ago
Its kind of a legal grey area, most agencies get a cut of the hookers fee.
I usually find my escorts here
MachiavellianRed 9y ago
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ubrayj02 9y ago
Try selling human affection, intimacy, and sex for a few months and see what happens to your worldview. What would "repair" look like to you after that?
Statecensor 9y ago
You do know that this describes yourself also right?
But boy was I wrong, these women are absolutely broken and beyond repair. They become more cold, jaded, and less able to pair bond after every client they see.
Also paying for sex does not make you an Alpha you described yourself as a beta virgin before but you still are a Beta just not a virgin. I am not against paying for some pussy but 2-3 years come on man you know what its like now stop visiting the walking bags of disease and filth. Sounds like your looking for love from a whore to me. Why the hell are you setting up websites for these whores? We all know that your not getting paid for it.
BayStreetBaller 9y ago
I only do it now because I have money to burn and dont have a the time for dating and drama. Just a quick wham, bam, thank you mam.
oldredder 9y ago
If your goal is more sex and less drama it doesn't matter if alpha or beta. Shouldn't.
I'm sure he is being paid for it.
VanityKing 9y ago
What part of "these hoes ain't loyal" is hard to understand? Best advice I can give is to get at women when they're young, only problem is that it seems society is somehow leading girls to sleep around at a young and younger age.
chtrchtr_pussyeater 9y ago
Just watch a few casting couch videos! He clearly asks them if they have a boyfriend and there's usually a pause followed by a "no". When he pushes and asks again, they either fess up or say they've only dated a couple of months.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
100% of those videos are 100% scripted. A guy that makes them has posted on this sub.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
In my experience all women are hoes, some just have enough money and go for sex in exchange for something else (power, prestige, commitment, child etc).
I've never met a chick having sex just for the sex (except one nympho I met who would fuck 5 guys a day).
Women just don't like to get laid that much. Got to make it useful. I think they must become addicted to the extra reward their brains get when they get laid AND get something out of it too.
Also, honestly I think if I had a vagina instead of a cock, I wouldn't like it as much, it's less control thus less pleasure (in my view) and no ejac.
squirrelmonkie 9y ago
Dont be mad at mcdonalds because theyre selling what you want.
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Sawagurumi 9y ago
I understand that virgins need some tuition. I'm curious as to why other men would perform that task better than you. Not being snarky, it is just that I have heard a couple of men say something similar, and I don't understand it. I would rather be fully in control of training a woman my way. And remember that the ability to pair bond successfully drops off quite quickly, even with one previous.
i2amahandmodel 9y ago
Oh oh oh I know this one!
20 yr old virgin. Really interested in me, never kissed a guy before. She can't tell me she likes me, so why would I expect something good to come after? I'm not going to be in her orbit while she figures the physical part out.
Plus if you did take her virginity she can hold it over your head as her paying a high price that you better match or else. Plus the drama she can cause if she is not satisfied. I too have had mothers called on me. What if its not good sex or you are not compatible? Then you know to move on, but she wont get it.
I met this girl through a friend. She asks me out. She is naive but outgoing. I find out she's a virgin, then a SJW, then works as an advocate for a womens org. And not as a passive participant. Nope nope nope. I disappeared so fast she still writes me "what happened to you??" txts.
If she is going to yell at a low class boy for looking at her legs for too long then I would have been the devil himself to her. No, she is lucky she doesnt lose her virginity to us.
oldredder 9y ago
1) pair bonding doesn't drop off like that, remember no such thing
2) training isn't worth the effort for a lot of them, it's more work for no added loyalty or quality
metakek 9y ago
A sense of honor and integrity I guess? Personal values - if you know you're not suited for relationships and you're not one to actively go out to hurt other people's feelings, you would avoid putting naive virgins in the situation of bonding with you, being their first and all that, only for you to leave them.
Sawagurumi 9y ago
Thanks, yes that is an answer I can understand and respect.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
Oh yeah this makes sense. They can be such attaching liabilities. I remember in high school I talked to some freshman for a week and went radio silent on her unintentionally, next thing I know her mom is sending me messages saying to stop making her daughter cry and to leave her alone on facebook. I was like "wtf did I do?"
ilphae 9y ago
Virgins are fucking annoying. They will pick fights and play games because they still think they are a princess. A woman with a few mistakes will cherish and respect a quality man and not test limits too far because she knows the sting of being dropped. Likewise, a woman(I would argue, also a man) with too many partners has given up.
iBrokeRSA 9y ago
Sounds suspiciously like a justification for wifing hoes.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
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SilentForTooLong 9y ago
Why doesn't more partners lead to less ability to pair bond in men? Different oxytocin release functions from sex?
Sawagurumi 9y ago
From a neurophysiological standpoint, I don't know, because it is apparently different in men (there being no correlation between number of previous partners and likelihood than a future LTR will succeed), maybe the differing effects of oxytocin versus vasopressin.
From an evolutionary standpoint, I think it makes sense. Consider ancestral sexual strategies: men looking for polygamy, assuming they are sufficiently alpha, the betas get nothing; women, hypergamy, grabbing the biggest alpha you can, but being prepared to jump ship if something happens to him.
For the man, it is a one-to-many relationship, and for very high status men in some societies that went into hundreds. One more or less didn't make that much difference, since all your eggs weren't in one basket, to coin a phrase.
For a woman, if she switched partners it was because something happened to the first alpha, perhaps he got killed in a hunt or border dispute, or perhaps he got injured and lost status. But if this happened more than once or twice, then that society must be in turmoil to get such a turnover, possibly a prolonged war, or a bad time for disease. Under such circumstances, if the woman is to keep her mind clear enough to look after the children, she would have to stop forming such close bonds with the next alpha that shows up, because he likely isn't going to be around for long.
Of course, the above comes under just-so stories. It is not implausible, however.
windowkicker 9y ago
I slept with a 19 year old last month. In a sex-positive way I asked her the next morning how many guys she'd slept with. She couldn't count and didn't try. When I left that morning I pulled my jacket collar up extra high to face into the cold, hard rain.
monsieurhire2 9y ago
Jesus Christ! 19 and doesn't remember the number of partners!?!?! W T F. That's messed up.
oldredder 9y ago
all too typical where I am.
xaxa_cubed 9y ago
She's probably got way more experience than you do. She could teach you things, in an unemotional and distant manner.
And she's barely begun her life.
DRMMR76 9y ago
And she's already essentially ended it.
CherryPickTheGirls 9y ago
This is one thing that helped me with abundance mentality. She isn't she and probably won't ever be, so I might as well get it in now. Knowing that helped me become more distant in my interactions.
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disniggatrollin 9y ago
Sex-positive is a post-modernist term and has no place here.
Red_August 9y ago
True, but it was used in this context as a quick porte-manteau of the bullshit we all know about but don't feel like spending a paragraph to explain to make a point.
oldredder 9y ago
oh noes someone hit a trigger-word-nerve
oh em geez
Imma gonna shift from Dr. Jeckyll to Mr. Cisgender Shitlord
makethemsayayy 9y ago
So that's why my face contorted with disgust despite not knowing or understanding the term and I chose to read around it?
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Hedphelym1 9y ago
Yeah please don't use that fucking word here.
DoesNotMatterAnymore 9y ago
This year i found a pretty fun girl, i visited her ~3 times now. She is a really good company, and the sex is great. Last time she was jokingly upset at me, because previously i sucked her neck too hard, so she ended up with brouses.
The conversation went like:
Ohh, now it's makes sense, she is only working between Mon-Fri, between 9 and 6. Pretty typical NORMAL work schedule.
I would imagine this:
-Hi honey, how was your day?
eclectro 9y ago
Just an FYI for those that think otherwise and to spell it out - they're feeding an addiction to your easy (for them) money. It's all about the money, and not one whit about the person.
Julia Roberts, they are not.
Jaereth 9y ago
Really? Prostitutes aren't going to be fit to have relationships later in life?
Wasn't this common knowledge?
oldredder 9y ago
They seem just as unable to me as most non-prostitutes I've met.
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RealRational 9y ago
"Amending legislation came into effect on 6 December 2014, which made the purchase of sexual services illegal".
Damn.
edit: OP could you add that to your post? Save people some time.
oldredder 9y ago
has always been illegal to solicit sex for money. Is never illegal to purchase TIME so what happens behind closed doors is legal.
Escort agencies are still legal, women wanting sex is still legal, paying a woman by the hour is still legal and no one says what they do behind closed doors - we just know what it is without saying it. All legal.
RealRational 9y ago
I don't know what you're doing, I can just copy/pasta counters to your argument and I'm never going to find some random, unidentifiable person, more reliable than Wikipedia:
"We find ourselves in an anomalous, some would say bizarre, situation where almost everything related to prostitution has been regulated by the criminal law except the transaction itself. The appellants' argument then, more precisely stated, is that in criminalizing so many activities surrounding the act itself, Parliament has made prostitution de facto illegal if not de jure illegal"
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Bottled_Void 9y ago
There you have it folks. Straight from the horses mouth. Don't date hookers.
I kinda thought you'd all know this already.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
But...but...Richard Gere did it with a gorgeous escort so that proves you are wrong.
Escorts aren't broken. They are either women who men have been forced into a life of sex trafficking or are the victims of a man's sexual violence or...I don't know but I am sure a man must have done it.
(Sarcasm Off).
PlebDestroyer 9y ago
Haha fuck. Imagine being one of those beta BF's with oneitis and it turns out your one and only^^TM is a prostitute.
wasthereadogwithyou 9y ago
Psh, that's happened to me plenty of times, and I got over it.
PlebDestroyer 9y ago
Wow. At least those types know how to act really affectionate and feminine. (Speaking from my first experience at a strip club recently for my 18th bday).
wasthereadogwithyou 9y ago
Totally joking, man. I mean, all my exes were sluts, but I don't think... well, I HOPE they weren't accepting money for sex while dating me. Wouldn't surprise me, though.
riverraider69 9y ago
I've seen it happen a few times. I'm in a country where prostitution is illegal but barely enforced, with a rather large Gini coefficient but overall very safe. Aka perfect ground for independent escorts.
In a couple of cases I've caught young girls when they've barely started their careers. There was a level on which I could connect to them which just disappears after 3-6 months. I still like them, they're still fun and pleasant to talk to, but you can feel the capacity to bond on a romantic level just isn't there anymore. And I want to make this very clear: they're not broken as a person - if anything, their life experience score is off the charts. It's just that if you're looking for romance you're barking at the completely wrong tree.
However, things aren't as simple as this. From what I've seen they tend to be in long term relationships, and they tend to make mistakes at choosing their SO that are comparable to the bluest of betas, only in different directions. A LOT of them take their paycheck home to their guy. Last girl I've seen turned out to be somebody I had been seeing a lot of a few years back, but had suddenly stopped answering my calls. Turns out it had been man problems which ended with the guy in jail. And she had just found out her current LTR had been sending quite a lot of money to his ex. They have joint finances, which I'll take it to mean she's making most of the money.
My current guess is that they're suckers for alphas (pimp level alphas), but unfortunately I don't really have any ideas on how I could get to meet and study those guys.
micloudon 9y ago
I've made some soft-core porno's and most of the girls I do it with have boyfriends, lol
dongpal 9y ago
doesnt suprise me at all. women who are single are really rare
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realdev 9y ago
Regular sex but not gangbanging, rough sex, bondage, anal, etc.
Bibosas 9y ago
OP (BayStreetBaller), do you have some weird stories/ stories with unexpected ending/some advice or even something positive about those girls that you were having though those years? I'm asking completely seriously, I'm curious, no joke.
BayStreetBaller 9y ago
Let see.
I was privy to client information stored on a wordpress SQL database, ie names, email etc. A lot of weird clients with weird requests and fetishs. i.e getting shit on, peed on.
An escort pissed of a client who happened to be a hacker who then doxxed her and he snitched to her parents, friends, and pretty much her whole town about what she does.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
LOL @ #3...
Only in Canada...
oldredder 9y ago
ya and one client of one of the girls I delivered had biker gang members for staff - you'd be best to "forget" this information instead of letting it sit anywhere near top of mind where you can spill it then get shot.
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through_a_ways 9y ago
Girls with high numbers are damaged. Guys with low numbers are damaged.
But the good news for the guys is that you can always add, but not subtract, deeds.
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j-coordinate 9y ago
Why does the ability to bond drop off so dramatically after one partner? Myabe women are just not built for ltrs if the criteria are that strict.its fucked up
through_a_ways 9y ago
Women are built for LTRs. Society simply isn't.
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zephyrprime 9y ago
If they were not built for LTRs, there would be no drop off - their ability to pair bond would be constant. It is because women are built for ONE ltr only.
oldredder 9y ago
When I was a driver, delivering escorts & ensuring their safety, I found almost all of them had a boyfriend and a child. One had a boyfriend and a husband.
HardBounce 9y ago
You can't make a hoe a house wife
mtjl50 9y ago
To chime in here, I actually married an escort. 5 years married, she is a wonderful mother (to our now 2 children), an awesome wife who takes care of all my shit and hot as fuck.
They are not all bad. Most are, yes.
emily_muhdickenson 9y ago
How do you know they are your kids?
mtjl50 9y ago
1.) My wife would never cheat on me. She's crazy loyal to me. Just because women are escorts doesn't mean they are whores/slut, actually the complete opposite. My wife wasn't a crack whore, she was an expensive escort that people paid her for her time and worked with high-end clients.
2.) To get citizenship for my kids for my country (we live in a different country), we had to do DNA tests so they can get their US passports and shit.
RosewoodPill 9y ago
AWATS
All women are the same.
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emily_muhdickenson 9y ago
I have a strong suspicion that women with certain personality traits (such as emotional coldness, narcissism, psychopathy, etc) are drawn to the sex industry and it isn't the sex industry itself that "breaks" them.
The_Nekt 9y ago
Interested in these agencies, how legal is that? do they get a cut? or are they just a classifieds for them? Sounds like it could be a lucrative business..
BayStreetBaller 9y ago
It is lucrative, but its extremely oversaturated. We have like 20+ escort agencies already in toronto. Here a small list of them.
Goal10der 9y ago
where did you find these professional escorts? its very easy to get slight of handed in TO with one of them stealing a credit card or stuff like that
emily_muhdickenson 9y ago
Toronto also has lots of apartment style Asian microbrothels that can be really fun in the 120-160 range.
oldredder 9y ago
Don't BRING a card. Bring cash and only what ID you need in an emergency.
BayStreetBaller 9y ago
Avoid backpage like the plague, try reputable escort agencies to avoid getting fucked over.
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oldredder 9y ago
Even as a virgin she was already damaged - this is why partner count doesn't matter. A woman who can't stay loyal or who must have a lot of sex partners will feel that way even at count=0.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Even if you are right it is still a damn good sign of what to expect. More sex partners = more likely to fuck around on you. Period.
oldredder 9y ago
Possibly. So far I've seen even women with low partner counts appear to have no less desire to do so and no less opportunity.
busyalterego 9y ago
Do their boyfriends know what they do for money?
Reverse_Gash 9y ago
It's been awhile since I read it, but again, another Toronto story, of an escort/prostitute doing an AMA, and towards the end, the BF alerts her to the fact he now knows, thanks to her AMA. (could have been contrived, but I digress)
BayStreetBaller 9y ago
for the college aged ones < 25 yrs old, they usually hide it from them and keep them in the dark.
Usually the guys that openly date escorts are in their 30s, extremely beta and have no self respect. They show me the pics of their boyfriend(the ones that know) and they looks like manginas you would expect.
widec 9y ago
Think of it from their perspective. They get to fuck an attractive girl, and have the social proof from having one as a girlfriend. They can't get that from an actual high quality girl, so in their eyes it seems like a good deal for them.
fake7272 9y ago
also zero self respect. is he getting anal? is she swallowing? letting him perform his fantasies on her? fuck no. you have to pay for that shit. lol i wouldnt spit in the direction of those girls
AdamWillis 9y ago
Also risk of getting disease is much higher because of her.
oldredder 9y ago
compared to girls fucking around with no condoms and not hookers, high counts but not paid for it?
Is it? I think not.
AdamWillis 9y ago
I was thinking in comparison to a (hopefully) monogamous partner.
antariusz 9y ago
"Monogomous" women are the ones least likely to use condoms in my experience. If they're cheating on a husband, I've never once been asked to wrap it. If they're cheating on a boyfriend, they'll ask for one, but won't have one on them (and still be down even if I say I don't have one). If she is single she'll have a stockpile of condoms and lube.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Sounds like this is what you are looking for.
Good luck.
watersign 9y ago
I agree. Most of these girls (common whores) come from broken families and have mental issues. some of them are really hot though
Matsew 9y ago
why would I? their smv is below an omega wow player
frys180 9y ago
Relationship value not sex value. But I see where you're getting at.
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therajraj 9y ago
Can I have some proof Toronto's escort industry is bigger than any other city's ?
BayStreetBaller 9y ago
We have about 30+ agencies for a city of 2.5 million.
LA and NY have about 15 legit escort agencies each. Than again prostitiuion is illegal in the US.
The only other cities that come close are Montreal-Canada, London-England and Syndey-Australia
oldredder 9y ago
Montreal's got a lot of 'em too but on backpages the majority I see are from Toronto even if traveling elsewhere.
therock6658 9y ago
Well, at least we could have some good fun with them. ;) Prostitution should be legal.
oldredder 9y ago
many places it is - where I am it is.
therock6658 9y ago
Lucky you then. Lucky me as well as I don't think escorting itself is legal where I live, but private parties are. XD I get my fix there.
PM_ME_UR_GRUNDLE 9y ago
hoes = holes. Nothing more.
Realworld 9y ago
I had a stripper gf in college (she preferred "exotic dancer"). She was a normal person, bright and rational. We got along fine.
I've had nuttier gfs from the upperclass (judge, government administrator, corporate executive). You'll have better experiences with women if you choose them for who they are, not what they do for a living.
Redrog1 9y ago
So what they do for a living is not part of who they are?
oldredder 9y ago
Usually it isn't - what I do for a living is not a part of who I am.
RealRational 9y ago
A part sure, but normally an insignificant part. Women aren't men, their work doesn't define them, their relationships do. Not that their work defines a man, but it's more likely to be a larger part of them.
An individuals behavior defines both genders, so in women you look for someone who is nurturing, who anticipates your needs and offers you the indulgences of the feminine. Not of the masculine.
Realworld 9y ago
I've picked fruit, dug ditches, phone lineman, horseshoer, lumber mill worker, office clerk, state officer, computer programmer, systems analyst, investor, millionaire, multimillionaire. None of those defined who I am. I'm still me.
I do agree with you in that I've met people who've only ever done 1 or 2 different jobs in their lives. Their lives are a form of stasis; they grow up, nothing happens, they grow old, they die. Other than marveling that people like that exist, I'm not interested in them. I like people who pursue life; who want to do and learn as many things as possible as effectively as practical.
Thinking back on it, I've known 4 different women who were in the sex exploitation market; a state beauty queen (my lab partner), another stripper (pre-med student), a city beauty queen (gf), and my previous mentioned stripper (gf). The only one that made a big deal about it was Ms Oregon, who was a bit of a bitch. Prof made me her lab partner because I was the only guy that didn't fall all over her.
RealRational 9y ago
Haha, I've been a mover, truck driver, carpenter, car mechanic, assistant manager at retail after being associate for 2 weeks, PC Technician, Services Technician, Desktop Engineer, Systems Engineer, Engineer in Molecular Imaging, ATM Technician, car salesman, insurance agent, in home salesman, retirement planner, MMA fighter(Amateur), call center worker and Executive Director of a corporation. Not in that order.
Then I've got just as many hobbies that I've achieved an expert level proficiency in, or a mastery of.
I think people who start at the bottom and fight their way up have a distinct advantage dealing with women on the bottom of the societal totem pole. Granted the bottom for women is a hell of a lot higher than it is for men, but that only ensures we can see their entire possible path more clearly. Which I say because I have positive experiences with prostitutes and strippers and sweet girls who were just isolated and lived in poverty. But knew nothing about how to look "hot" or speak the way "civilized" women speak, so they get ostracized by other women and thus go unnoticed by most people by design.
It is a lot of work to train these girls, they know basically nothing of the world; only of gossip and superstition. But if you can show them, and help them experience success, using "correct" methods in the world you can train them from step 1. They don't have to unlearn anything! In my opinion this makes many of them a much better choice than "cultured" girls.
Frankly I would think this would be obvious to Red Pill Men. I mean, we all agree current culture is toxic, so of course the best possible options will come from societies rejects. The people unwilling to bend to that culture.
Realworld 9y ago
I like your username. I'm with you on hobbies and proficiencies. Those define me more than sources of income do.
Constructive: mechanic (bicycle/buggy/motorcycle/auto/appliance/tractor/marine/aircraft), wheelwright, blacksmith, welder, surveyor, heavy equipment operator, mason, carpenter, roofer, glazier, electrician, plumber, drywall, painter, upholsterer, landscaper, gardener, orchardist, cook, baker, tailor.
Adventure: skin & SCUBA diver (sport/marine salvage), lifeguard, swimming instructor, horseman (saddle/buggy/farrier), navigator (hiking/driving/sailing/flying), sky diver, sport airplane & helicopter designer/engineer/builder/pilot, paraglider, mountain climber, cruising sailer, sailmaker, boatbuilder, multilingual adventure traveler.
RealRational already know this but I'll say it for other readers; the best life is pursuit of knowledge, skills, and experiences. Read & research as much as you can before any new pursuit. If it's a constructive skill, take lessons if they're free, otherwise volunteer as free labor for anyone that needs help. They appreciate it and it's free knowledge. Learn by doing.
If it's an adventure skill, take lessons from the best teacher you can find. When you reach competence, take lessons from the highest skilled and most demanding instructor you can find. When you reach parity, go out and learn more on your own.
Constructive or adventure, pay attention to risks. Think ahead and think it through. Can you extinguish fires? Can you change flat tires? Can you survive storms and orient in wilderness? Can you heave-to and jury rig a sailboat? Can you do free ascent from depth? Can you recover from spins and deadstick an airplane? Can you recover heavy equipment from deep mud? Can you speak to the locals if in trouble in foreign country? Know how you'll deal with worst possible scenarios before starting any new risk.
RealRational 9y ago
What is that? I liked your username right away too :)
I'm jealous of your flying, that's not available to me currently. Also looks like I have to put off the skydiving license another year. Tons of traveling this year though, can't have it all, all at once.
Realworld 9y ago
My granddad and dad had fruit orchards. My other granddad and uncles had walnut orchards. Dad was an early organic farmer meaning more labor (me) involved in seasonal orchard cycles.
Skydiving is over too quick; then you have to gather it all up, trade for a fresh chute, and fly back up there again. Sport flying is dangerous and noisy. If you have the slopes for it I recommend paragliding over conventional flying. It's safe, it's quiet, it's cheap, it stores in a closet and travels in your car. Fellow paraglider pilots are the most cheerful bunch you'll find.
Paragliding is the closest to fantasy dreams of flight. You jog forward and the ground simply drops away. You can kick bush tops as they pass under your feet. You land lightly in 1 or 2 steps.
If you go for it, choose a paraglider school that uses solo beginner slopes, not steep-slope tandem equipment. Solo beginner schools teach you proper flight habits.
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