Beta-backsliding? Story of my life. This is how I've recently learned to alpha-upslide when I've felt that I've been a bit too vulnerable, available, sensitive, and frankly beta with respect to my LTR.
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For a day or two, totally withdraw any form of verbal affection. Cut texts or calls way, way down, as if she is number 13 on your list of priorities for the day. Take hours to respond, act/be distracted.
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The next time you see her, let it be her initiating if possible. Wait for her to come over, to instigate the in-person situation by inviting you or herself over.
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When you see her, be distracted with something else. Maybe you're reading a book or gun review online, maybe you're stretching after a run, etc., but don't give all your attention to her right off the bat.
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After a few moments of partially neglecting her, pick her up and carry her to a bed or a couch. Don't be smiling. Set her down and immediately begin selfishly enjoying her body, kissing it all over, etc. Sexualize / objectify her shamelessly, and let her see that you feel completely entitled to enjoy her body. Ideally, fuck her right then and there, and be rough.
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Afterwards, immediately again begin doing something that allows you to give some of your attention to her, and some of it to your activity: Cooking an omelet, cleaning up your apartment, take a cold shower. Appear happy as fuck but only partially interested in investing in her right now.
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Spend some time with her before initiating a goodbye because you have some things you need to do. Slap her ass on her / your way out.
- Wait for her to reinitiate contact via text/phone in the hours after you leave. Don't circle back and contact her first.
No matter what she thinks she feels about this, her instinctive female animal mind will ascribe new additional value to you as you demonstrate power, autonomy, and an IDGAF attitude. In the words of Heartiste, fake it til you create it.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
In a LTR, your partner is likely to notice changes in your behavior patterns far more subtle than this. What you're prescribing is something of a shock treatment, probably useful in the aftermath of her doing something crappy to you.
In a smooth running relationship, invoking several changes like this at once is likely to put her on the defensive, start trouble where there was none, and place a significant burden upon you to maintain this new frame like you've flipped a switch. My own personal style would be to make changes more subtly, and make sure the positives of this unexpected new you are apparent to her.
It reads as though you're displeased with yourself for being too beta in the past, but kind of punishing her for it.
How has this worked out over time for you in your LTR?
SuperSlavisWife 8y ago
Personal note: when Jon displays any of OPs mentioned behaviours, I assume he's in an awful mood and weigh the situation. If there's any chance I caused any of it, I give him space. If there's a clear source, I make sure he gets attention, tea and snacks and something to distract himself with, like a game or a film. In other words, my natural response to that level of withdrawal is to assume he is ill to a point where he is weakened. Not ill in body, but almost a sort of social/emotional illness, a level of rage or depression that is causing him pain and needs to be fixed, either with time and space or with affection and nurturing.
And it's not that he's all lovey-dovey, girly beta when he's well and happy. Schizoid people don't really do that. He's just... happy. Mentioning random things he read or thought of, responsive to important matters or direct questions, initiating physical contact whenever he feels the urge, throwing a few jokes or banter insults around, making suggestions for what to do the next day, etc. You don't need to be socially dead to be emotionally cool or stoic.
Manuel_S 8y ago
This. OPs post is good, but this should be arrived at gradually. Make it a slippery slope where one item gives a pretext for the next.
rpscrote 8y ago
I don't see how any of that is punishment in any way. They like to be treated like that, it makes them attracted to you.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
To repeat my unanswered question to OP: How has it worked out for you in your LTR, to suddenly adopt all of these unprecedented behaviors at once?
flameohotmein 8y ago
New here. TRP condones LTR?
Shade_Raven 8y ago
TRP condones doing what the fuck you wanna do.
BUT DO IT RIGHT.
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TRP is about self respect and not being emasculated. It's possible and healthy to be in an LTR if you can keep your balls.
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flameohotmein 8y ago
Yea as I said in my previous replys, I had a misunderstanding of what TRP really is. Also it is a bit confusing for new people here.
HumanSockPuppet 8y ago
If a woman can earn one, sure.
Women want LTRs more than we do, so that means it's their responsibility to be good enough to earn non-sexual attention from us.
flameohotmein 8y ago
I see what you're saying. I had this preconceived notion that TRP was all about being single alpha. but to your point I concur.
SuperSlavisWife 8y ago
Yup. In the simplest terms, a man's ultimate sociosexual goal is to become so Alpha and wealthy that he can get any woman he wants, but a woman's ultimate sociosexual goal is to become so much of a unicorn that she can get the best man to commit to her. Of course, neither goal is realistic, but when you aim for 100% you might hit 90%, whereas aiming for 90% may just give you 70%.
usul1628 8y ago
sure, so long as you know what you're getting yourself into.
RedditArgument 8y ago
There's no real rules per se to TRP despite what some people may think. To each their own. TRP of course strongly discourages things like marriage and general beta behaviors, but I think LTR vs. Plates is up to personal preference.
Best way of doing it in my opinion is have a main plate/"girlfriend" the one who gets priority days such as Saturday night and maybe your family knows about, and then have side plates. I think this strategy allows for a greater stability over the standard plate merry-go-round as well as better sex with the main plate due to a deeper emotional connection. This all without the struggles of oneitis and a lack of dread that comes with a committed ltr.
HGHendren 8y ago
The other replies have got it right for the most part, but remember, this is an ideology, not a religion or a science, you don't have to follow it exactly. You can chose how you want to live your life and we're not going to bitch at you. But TRP is here as both an outlet and for information to help you self actualize.
flameohotmein 8y ago
Thanks. I found some things true, but some people here seem like betas just vying for attributes of an alphas social dominanCe traits.
HGHendren 8y ago
I mean dude you don't have to think into it so much. The whole beta alpha thing on this sub is a bit blown out of proportion. Of course you shouldn't be a doormat and let people use you, but you don't have to assert your dominance to everyone you meet.
SemenMoustache 8y ago
What kind of subtle changes would you go for?
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justmanthings 8y ago
This is way too focused on the woman. If a relationship is lagging a bit, or you've been too "beta" in the ways he describes, then the way to inject "alpha" is to give yourself more time to focus on improving yourself. That's it. No need to do these fucking pathetic manipulation games where you feign distraction or "partially neglect her" or "appear happy as fuck".
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You could also read Op's thread as "when im being alpha this is what I typically do" instead of a checklist of things that now magically make you alpha.
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I agree. This is too much smoke and mirrors and not enough substance. It sounds womanly manipulative.
Hofn, the right way to approach this is to do a run by yourself off-pavement every day for 20 minutes. Bring water. When you get home, take a shower. Once you're out of the shower, kiss your wife and carry on with your day.
That run will give you time to think, it'll improve your health, and improve your testosterone.
Good luck.
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I cannot agree more with your run philosophy. I try to run 3 miles a day and nothing helps me see through the fog of life better.
22231315 8y ago
None. If you can't just be yourself in a relationship then it is never worth it.
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22231315 8y ago
Well I mean be yourself...once you have actually figured yourself out....not your old beta faggot/bp/brainwashed self... thats just being a product of society. "Finding yourself" should come before finding a woman.
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While you're finding yourself I'll be busy fucking all your future girlfriends, fair?
22231315 8y ago
Well I feel I've already found myself, but yes, please keep those types of women out of my way. I'm busy acquiring knowledge, building things, and creating many strong relationships..
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Serious question, how many women have you fucked.
lillojohn 8y ago
Dude your self worth isnt linked with how many you fuck.
Putting sex on a pedestal is still beta.
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Self worth? It's about knowing women and the dynamics of attraction and sex. He reads exactly like someone who has had sex with less than 5 girls in his life.
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Useless blue pill rhetoric.
22231315 8y ago
It sounds like it, but it isn't. I'd rather be with no woman than be with one where I have to keep on my toes and play little games to get them to stick around and fuck me. What a shit way to live.
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Do you actually not understand the phenomenon of beta backsliding and the need to consciously keep the alpha levels up when one has been raised or is otherwise inclined to beta boyfriend behavior?
22231315 8y ago
Well once you stop being a beta, then you don't have to worry about keeping alpha levels up and playing games. So stop being a beta first, then worry about keeping an LTR. Alphas (long time former beta) like myself don't need to change when around girls to attract them. I can literally just be myself in the true sense and not the cliche since.
purecyse 8y ago
In other words, be consistently inconsistent.
In a relationship, especially a LTR, routine begins to reveal itself and we latch on to that routine creating comfort. Comfort is the beginning of the end when it comes to keeping a young lady sexualized.
Keeping her in a state of suspense, even in ways we'd find negative (i.e. the air of violence surrounding a young Mike Tyson, certain criminal behavior, etc.), works wonders on the female imagination and can do most of the heavy lifting for you.
Keep pushing your boundaries, keep doing new and exciting things and you'll naturally keep her in a state of "I wonder what he'll do next." You'll also notice how much she loves when what you're doing next is HER.
imabden 8y ago
I agree with this. The last thing you want or the last words you want to here is, "I am bored."
You have to change things up every so often and keep them guessing. Music to my ears, "I can't figure you out?"
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seattleron 8y ago
You're showing her that you're a masculine man with lots of things going on in your life. It's what she's attracted to. By picking her up, you're showing her your physical strength, which they LOVE.
In my post history you'll see a thread I created on picking women up. It's a simple thing that turns them on.
Banged a new girl on Saturday, and she started on top of me. I needed us to move over on the bed a little bit so I picked her up by the waist while I scooted. Her only comment was "you're so strong." Last night I got a random text "Saturday was amazing." And it's not like I went for 3 hours and have a 9 inch schlong. She was into me because I am a man who acts like it and I lift weights. So many hipster faggots with 28 inch waists and 10 inch arms that women die for the smallest amount of masculinity. It kills them inside because they can't get enough.
All of the above are great tips, but what you're really doing is acting like she's a 4 and you really don't care what she has to say because you're busy, but when you're horny you will fuck her and fuck her good because you know you're the prize.
If you can think of every woman as if she's a 4, you will always feel like the prize and most guys will have no beta backsliding to deal with.
insaneyoshi 8y ago
Definitely this. About a month ago, the first time I took a plate home we were making out against the wall, so I picked her up and held her legs with my arms. Then decided to test my new strength by taking her upstairs to my bedroom, while carrying her like that. She has mentioned it at least 3 times since.
Another time she asked me to go to a party with her and "kidnap" her so she could escape. I told her I'd carry her on my shoulder so we could sell the kidnapping idea. She said she finds that extremely sexy, and loves the fact that I can just pick her up any time.
Lift heavy shit at the gym so you can lift (hopefully not as heavy) women.
JumpXVI 8y ago
First read this as:
without the a, and it had the same effect. Most responsible teenager in the house.
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RBuddDwyer 8y ago
Woman, the most responsible teenager in the house.
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GuitarHero07 8y ago
You can be more subtle. No need to be so drastic. In fact doing so might just stir up unnecessary trouble. Whenever you find yourself beta-backsliding, start focusing on your own self-improvement. Pickup a new more intense workout program, start up a major project of some kind, focus on your career or devote more time to your hobbies. Perhaps you could go on a trip with a friend or by yourself. She will notice these things but they won't be as alarming as the OP's sudden change in behavior. Dramatically changing your behavior without any apparent reason will draw suspicion.
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RBuddDwyer 8y ago
Outcome independence, just walk away and have something else to do.
Shiningknight12 8y ago
I would ignore her/tell her to shush and keep going. If she persists then I would likely break up with her.
If she would rather talk about herself than have sex, then she isn't sexually attracted to you.
Tell her you have been busy. A big part of being alpha is having a life outside of your girlfriend, so you should have something you could reasonably be busy with.
reddumpling 8y ago
The 'oh you don't wanna fuck? Fine I have 10 other things to settle anyway' vibe
33Laive 8y ago
wonderful!
Now how do you start with this attitude with a girl you're hanging out with the evening.
seattleron 8y ago
You show up later than usual. You talk less than usual. You leave earlier than usual. You give her less attention than usual. You drop hints that other women want to fuck you, like letting her see you got a text from another woman, or you say "hey I gotta take off early tonight, me and Jenny have studying to do" and leave it at that.
Let her hamster do your job for you. It will if you let it.
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You can only do this when you have demonstrated you worth. You wont keep the tingles if you come across as a bore and this approach is an easily misconstrued as having low confidence. You have a fine line to walk if this is your approach.
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denmaur 8y ago
I've been coming here for about 6 months now and this why I still find things confusing. Even here people disagree on what constitutes Alpha behavior.
seattleron 8y ago
He's fucked. I've been RP for 6 years. Read the sidebar. Pre selection and aloofness are 100 % alpha there is no question.
americanenglishh 8y ago
Hahahaha "6 years" as if that means anything. I know people who've played Counter Strike for 10 years and still suck balls.
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His point is that much like dread, aloofness works best once attraction has been established. You don't go to a fucking bar and act "aloof" and think that you're going to get women that way. You act aloof and indifferent precisely when most guys, beta males, will act needy and eager. And you act eager and pro-active precisely when most guys will cower and be too reserved--in pickup.
seattleron 8y ago
Obviously. Those things were all assumed and about as basic as RP gets.
Merica911 8y ago
Should I be in incognito mode on my chrome browsers?
22231315 8y ago
If you need to play all these games, just dump her. Ain't worth it.
Shiningknight12 8y ago
In theory, you should be a guy who actually has a life outside of the girl, so you will sometimes naturally be busy.
This is kind of a way to fake it.
HumanSockPuppet 8y ago
Fake it until you become it.
SkorchZang 8y ago
Oh it's very worth it. Put in the good work, reap the reward - a plate that worships you.
"Baby I luv you long time!" - Yeah, yeah, I know.
Some guys are so blind that they only see "pathetic manipulation" in it and feel thinking about such things is below them. What they fail to realize is that this, this whole game, is what women innately want and need from us. You are fulfilling her to the max by making her feelings your business, your artform.
Not to mention the fact that SHE is going to be verrrrry crafty at attaining her ends on her agenda, you can bet on that, so if you've left your part to just magically sort itself out via "true love" and "if I have to work for it it's not worth it, just dump her", then you are essentially choosing to stay plugged in, and ironically setting yourself up for some extra spicy drama and the pain of uncontrollable loss in the future.
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justmanthings 8y ago
EDIT: If a man needs to play these games, I'd say he should dump her not because of any fault of hers, but because he desperately needs a few months of monk mode. Real self improvement.
Agreed. You can accomplish the same result by genuinely refocusing on improving yourself and making more time for yourself.
That's all that really needs to happen. Non of this micro strategy BS that revolves 100% around getting a woman to be attracted to you.
"When you see her, be distracted with something else."
Seriously? How about just immerse yourself more fully in a productive and positive pursuit? Instead of feigning distraction you might actually be distracted, and if you're not who the fuck cares? You're improving yourself and the woman will probably see that.
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What I'm reading you say is: "be yourself, work on yourself and everything else will follow." Sorry but that is bullshit. The female mind works in specific ways and learning to understand them and properly navigate/manipulate them will instantly give you a leg up in any interaction with a woman.
Shiningknight12 8y ago
If you are a guy with a life, the things you described would actually occur naturally. You might not text her as quickly or initiate because you are busy doing other things. You get distracted by stuff going on in your life. Sometimes, you make time for her because you are horny and enjoy her presence.
What you are doing is faking it, which works but not as well as the real thing.
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/fake-it-till-you-make-it-the-scientific-evidence-in-favor/
[deleted] 8y ago
If you are picking women with high enough SMV you are going to be constantly on your game. It never ends. Or you can pick a landwhale who will "love you"^tm forever. The choice is yours but I know i'd prefer banging a hot chick.
22231315 8y ago
I can see keeping up the charade and playing games to get a women into bed (if that's what your goals are).....but for a LTR? That's just making life hard on yourself. No pussy is worth that.
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Regular, committed pussy isn't worth learning some game? Nice.
22231315 8y ago
If by "some game" you mean learning how to interact with people, sure. But I'm referring to examples in OPs post. Don't know, maybe you have to be a beta to understand beta mentality.
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Again, you read like someone who has fucked less than 5 girls in your life.
22231315 8y ago
Or maybe you just haven't really taken the red pill. You don't seem to get it. As someone else said, putting the pussy on the pedastal is beta as fuck. That's all you've been doing. Also quality of pussy > quantity. If you weren't insecure and trying to feed your ego maybe you would get that. Maybe it just never occured to you that there could be someone more mature than others that has figured out that there's more aspects of life that can be fulfilling other than being addicted to trying to increase your fuck count out of insecurity to feed your ego. Also, I assure you I have have/had a wildy fulfilling sex life thus far (since that seems to be of interest/importance to you). Obviously you can keep on pretending I'm a basement dwelling virgin if that helps you feel better though.
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This is truly amazing. Let's start from the beginning.
If understanding how to build attraction and get sex with relative ease equates to putting pussy on a pedestal, consider me guilty as charged. The way you are demonizing sexual strategy itself suggests that you don't understand what TRP is.
This forum that we're on right now, it's called TRP, it's about sexual strategy. It's about how to navigate and succeed in the sexual marketplace. It's not about life generally. I'm not talking about life when I'm talking about sex, I'm talking about sex when I'm talking about sex.
Goddamn, dude. I'm telling you exactly how to get your girlfriend to go from thinking "my bf's alright" to "haha, fuck! my boyfriend is the man" I'm telling you this from direct personal experience, and you're accusing me of sex addiction, insecurity, and not having taken TRP.
Give a number.
22231315 8y ago
Well that's beta thinking. You are working to appease her by doing things that aren't already natural to you. She should already think "you're the man" otherwise you dun goofed. You need to leave her for someone that thinks "you're the man" already.
Other than that, yeah, I guess I'm in the wrong place. Didn't know this was just a place for "meatheads" who dedicate their lives to chasing tail.
Lol I responded to this already. Check your responses. 20-25 with multiple LTRs.
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Improving a relationship by doing unnaturally good, dominant things is not beta behavior. Beta behavior is thinking a woman will love you unconditionally or bending to the demands of a woman. Are you straight up trolling at this point?
You don't go to a woodworking subreddit and accuse people there of focusing too much on woodworking. There is a hell of a lot more to life than sexual strategy, but this forum is devoted to sexual strategy so its largely what we talk about here.
NightGod 8y ago
The single most important one I've found in the context of a LTR is hinted at in number one on that list. Allow her to always be a priority in your life, but only rarely allow her to be the priority in your life. This isn't something you need to fake or lie about: make sure your life is full enough and amazing enough that it's simply impossible for her to always be on your mind.
Reading an amazing book/article or watching a movie or TV show you're really into? Her text message will still be there in an hour or three to reply to. Have work to do? She can leave a voice mail and you can reply when you're done. But if she calls and you're just sitting around with your thumb up your ass, you don't have to ignore the call just to maintain frame. Unless it starts happening all the time, then you need to find ways to spend less time with your thumb up your ass.
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red_gerb 8y ago
Wait for her to reinitiate contact via text/phone in the hours after you leave.
what a puppy dog. how about a few days?
alpha_n3rd 8y ago
who the fuck calls/texts their woman multiple times per day?
Temptationn 8y ago
Would it be bad to say this is how I always act with plates? I didn't even realize it until I read this whole thing it's literally like a playbook of my life.
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Plate, LTR, heck even your sister: women love a fun, confident male and more importantly said males enjoy being such.
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RosewoodPill 8y ago
Pretty close to how a natural does it. I'd expand but this sub still doesn't let me post original threads.
readitreddit0 8y ago
You can only do this if you're extremely sexy and/or rich or else she will leave you for a decent guy that doesn't act like a complete ass to her.
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Because cooking an omelet or sitting on the couch when a girl is around equates to being a complete ass. Also: I am pretty fucking sexy, so thank you.
readitreddit0 8y ago
No, manipulating her is being an ass.
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Sexual strategy is amoral. Read the sidebar.