In the car I heard NPR over the FM radio this: APRIL 26, 2018: "The 'INCEL' (involuntary celibate) movement", which might have motivated the man allegedly behind the van attack in Toronto. To hear it: https://www.npr.org/podcasts/381444246/pri-s-the-world (This link just a segment teaser, see the full episode below) In the minutes after 39:20 and 43:20 they talk about theredpill subreddit by name, and how our ideologies are merging with the incel movements.
In the audio, they specifically mentioned "reddit" twice by name and also mentioned "subreddits" all around the manosphere, like theredpill without saying it's name plainly, so as to not attract attention. They mentioned the links to Rollo Tomassi's Social market Value, and the hate you're all spewing around this subreddit, the female host was using all the same acronyms theredpill uses, like PUA, incels, etc.
They're calling us out as a dangerous new ideology that's spreading violent toxic masculinity over the internet and over the world: motivating men to become disengaged from women, no longer pursuing women, talking about manspreading, mansplaining, toxic masculinity. Talking about recent posts I remember reading, such as where older and higher SMV men were saying without apology that they don't date women over 29. This is an alarming affront to the progressive democrat liberal left NPR feminine imperative and they're trying to link the Toronto terrorist groups to male-centered female-hating misogynistic ideologies spread around here.
Female callers were calling in to ask: "How can I make sure my man doesn't get infected by these online hate groups?". And about how we can apply pressure to the maintainers of the website to shut down these subreddits spreading hateful ideologies that lead to terrorist attacks.
We're being watched by journalists and government paid PHD researchers on national news media. Post Smiley faces, you're on candid camera.
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The link above was just the preview, the full segment is here: http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2018/04/27/incels-toronto-van-attack Download the MP3 so you can skip ahead. There they bring in the PHD's and talk about theredpill. Reddit mentioned by name @16:22 Discussion of chads and stacys. Explanation of manosphere subreddits @ 17:35. @19:25 Ideological manosphere echo chamber subreddits. @21:15 male supremacy is now being added as an official ideological hate group. @21:50 compared with ISIS and white supremacists. @22:35 hatred metastasizing. @24:45 Anti-feminism groups don't call themselves incels. @26:40 referring to "White heterosexual male caucasians." @28:50 "Toxic masculinity is refined on internet subreddits". How do we break that? @29:20 normies and gettin banned. @30:15: acronym PUA explained. "We hunted the mammoth" website tracks us. @33:10 explanation of SMV. Introdoctrination of sexual market value based on various things. Game playing women. Hate groups, imagine how it feels for women. @34:40 "How do I steer my man away from these online hate groups?"
Joey_Lopez 6y ago
I guess the one good thing is that so-called 'mainstream media' is really a thing of the past. Even though they might be run by feminist PC culture, the Internet new media is steadily becoming anti-feminist.
legitimateusername4 6y ago
This is great, I hope they manage to sway lots of men away from this stuff. Less competition.
legitimateusername4 6y ago
Hi guys how are those student loans working out for you.
drizztdourden420 6y ago
When women and feminists freely talk about the evil patriarchy, toxic masculinity, manspreading, and male complicity in everything evil that happens in the world, then they can't act surprised when men come away with the idea that society doesn't like them.
Feminists, in particular, need to own the part that they've played in creating groups like TRP, MGTOW, MRAs.
Feminists never liked men and refused to really accept men as part of their movement. Still they must have thought that they could dictate to men how men should react to feminism being so pervasive in our society. Men have minds of their own and formed TRP and other groups to talk about their issues. This is independent of feminists and so, naturally, that scares feminists.
What can feminists do? The best they can do is again, act out of their irrational fear by trying to associate tragic events with all Mens groups, even where there is absolutely no connection whatsoever. They're hoping to own that narrative and to convince the general public that men joining together is dangerous.
I say, fuck the feminists. TRP, MGTOW, and MRA groups are just a response to TOXIC feminism. If there was ever a group formed for their hatred of others, it was the feminist movement. If they want to point the finger and identify the haters, there's three fingers pointing back at them.
FrostyFurseal 6y ago
It is interesting how the very word feminism has bias in it. Maybe feminism once meant rational things like equality in voting, birth control access, etc. But modern feminism has merged with identity politics and SJWism and become something quite sexist.
EscapeTheGoat 6y ago
They apparently don't hate men. They just named their mortal enemy, "the patriarchy", after us.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
For some reason ignorant people like to tie TRP into failed unrelated ideologies like incel, MGTOW, PUA, etc.
TRP is its own thing.
TravelingShitLord 6y ago
Came here looking for an answer. Stayed for the understanding.
Kbrownnd97 6y ago
Like the skeletons to David Pumpkins.
Obsidian743 6y ago
PUA was a failed ideology? Seems pretty damn successful to me.
RandomReeditUser 6y ago
Could you elaborate as to why MGTOW is a "failed ideology"?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
MGTOW are nothing more than incels who celebrate the fact they are incel rather than feel down about it.
I have issued the MGTOW challenge here on TRP for a while. Everyone who claims to be MGTOW needs to upload a shirtless mirror selfie of themselves. No one ever accepts the challenge. Why? Because men who are actually successful with women aren't going to go MGTOW. No man will walk away from a lifestyle that consists of having success with women. Therefore the only ones who actually go MGTOW are losers who are either too fat or too skinny and have low SMV, low confidence, bad game and never succeeded with women to begin with.
They go MGTOW because it's their way of excusing their failure with women. They go MGTOW because it lets them say "Ha! You can't make fun of me for not having success with women, because actually I am MGTOW! I never even tried!"
It's basically a way of saying "You can't fire me, I quit" in the sexual marketplace.
Just2UpvoteU 6y ago
I'm a convert from TRP to MGTOW, and I can't disagree more with your statement.
Some men just get sick of the games just to get their dick wet.
When all you have to offer is pussy, and my hand can get it done quicker, more effectively, and without all the bullshit and backtalk, what's the point?
I've already passed along my genes. No other reason for a woman at this point.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Wow, spoken like a true incel. Admitting you would rather jack off than fuck a woman. Something tells me you never have fucked a woman.
Just2UpvoteU 6y ago
I have a child. Verifiable proof I've had sex before. Duh.
RandomReeditUser 6y ago
I see where you're coming from. I don't agree, with all of it, but I do get it. Thanks for sharing.
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Nice. This should be stickied to the top for visitors. Perfect distillation.
Edit: it was a shirtless bathroom selfie to a red piller that got me lifting. He said I looked like a famine victim, and he was right. The difference is amazing.
NeverLace 6y ago
I agree. I like to think that TRP wins the game, while MGTOW aren't even playing.
EyeOfTerror 6y ago
Yeah, basically it’s just a rejection buffer
CreatedItJust2Saythi 6y ago
Some MGTOW are not quitters, they simply understand the only real way of winning a woman or several harems is being (visually) attractive (that is, being muscular), since that's how Chad wins women. So those MGTOW just lift, and they don't apply to women any other game than lifting. Why should you apply any other game besides lifting? Chad doesn't need to do, all Chad needs is his attractiveness, so it wouldn't be fair. Why should you be inferior to Chad, exert greater efforts than Chad, and pay your women more expensively?
valentinoroscoe 6y ago
Yes, why don't you post your shirtless selfie first since you have endless advice on the topic and bring it up constantly. Would love to see the amazing 155lbs physique you must have.
smokecheck1976 6y ago
The only real requirement that I believe to be valid for a man to be a MGTOW is that he does not, or no longer has, any desire to be married to any woman ever. It does not preclude that he might or might not be successful with women.
The ones on the internet, though. You are right. If they were just going their own way, that would be fine. They don't. They all gather into little pity places and whine about women.
hirokinae 6y ago
Well. Redpill advocates no marriage. For different reasons though
ssr401 6y ago
You guys ought to get together and drown the incels in a bathtub or something. Those fuckers are scary. You'd be doing society a favor.
The_Chiselnator 6y ago
Who cares? If they ban it here we will just move somewhere else. We have already planned for that day. What these cultural marxists don't understand is that things don't stop existing just because you rename them or censor them.
When I was a kid I had a dog. German Shepherd. Gorgeous bitch. It used to hide behind a stick, close one eye and imagine that just because it can't see me then I must also be incapable of seeing it.
These bitches hide behind fake outrage and imagine that we can't ser their shit
red_matrix 6y ago
TRP is the complete opposite of incel, lumping them in the same bucket is bad journalism. Mods should sticky something so tourists (like the media) can see the HUGE differences that exist. TRP men seek to understand women, and to be the best version of themselves that they can be. It's that simple.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
No we don't.
We seek to fuck bitches and get money.
Go away MSM. There's nothing for you to see here. Women are subhuman. I am the king of Portugal. Misogyny, misogyny, misogyny.
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Dr_Drini 6y ago
Couldn’t agree more, I would argue that TRP is actually a force fighting against the incel movement by better teaching men to understand the dynamic between the sexes and how not to become an embittered sexless loser who wants to get back at the world by driving a van through a crowd. I guess ignorance in the media is nothing new though.
JF0909 6y ago
You think they care about good research? They are pushing the men=bad agenda and this community is a goldmine for that in their eyes. They will cherry-pick through this sub for the anger-phase posts and that will be in their articles, not the advice about a healthy lifestyle and relationships.
zephyrprime 6y ago
Quite true. All journalists care about is getting a provocative angle and ratings.
Kindredvodka 6y ago
Oh yeah. They already have, because of course anything having to do with men getting together and reclaiming their sense of self is misogynistic and barbaric and evil. I saw one article already that cherry picked the "How to get laid like a warlord" post and they went on and on about how we are trying to subjugate women and rape and pillage.
red_matrix 6y ago
As people get curious and check out this sub they'll see for themselves they're being lied to (I hope). This could backfire on the media.
truedemocracy3 6y ago
Backfired on media in tons of issues already. It's why Trumps 'Fake News' has stuck
AussiecuntTRP 6y ago
This happened to me. Watched "The Red Pill" movie that came out last year. At the end of it, the film maker says she doesn't endorse the subreddit TRP because everyone on it is sexist or some shit.
I opened reddit and checked it out and haven't looked back since.
thetompain 6y ago
The reddit admins will nuke this sub before that ever happens. Just watch, this sub is about to be flooded with fake posters that shift the dialogue in a hateful direction and the admins will then have justification to nuke it. They do this ALL THE TIME.
Unrealenting 6y ago
Nah, they won't. We'd mobilize and exterminate any interlopers.
wanderer779 6y ago
that's why they will eventually try to censor it or just eliminate it. They don't want men, conservatives, whites, etc. congregating and sharing ideas. Everyone knows the rules are being selectively applied.
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
Or just run it through the CNN filter.
“Remember, it’s illegal to download this, but it’s different for the media”. -Chris “I wish I was as much of a tyrant as my brother” Cuomo
red_matrix 6y ago
This shouldn't be a political sub either. Reddit has been transformed into a left vs right all over, we don't need that here.
Overkillengine 6y ago
As if the followers of Alinsky are going to give any of us a choice.
Anything or anyone that deviates from their controlled narratives will become a target.
htowntrav 6y ago
Band of brothers weathers the storm. Also there has to be a rabbit hole for this particular sub to be used as a scapegoat.
Celicni 6y ago
It should not of course. Politics should be nuked immediately especially if "the media" is checking this place out. But I'd bet that a large amount of people here is conservative.
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o0joshua0o 6y ago
Hear hear! I'm pretty liberal, and a TRP advocate. Please don't alienate me and others by turning this into a left vs. right issue.
swishandswallow 6y ago
Yes, TRP isn't about Left or Right, Democrat or Republican, TRP is above all that, TRP is just unadulterated truth.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Actually TRP is political. TRP teaches masculinity and about women's sexual strategy. You cannot be a masculine man while being a lefty - they are simply incompatible.
swishandswallow 6y ago
Then you are seriously misunderstanding what TRP is. TRP is human's animalistic nature put into words, it has no right or left, right or wrong, it just is, it's truth.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Humans animalistic nature is upstream of politics. If TRP is a description of humans animilastic nature, it is also political but only to the extent of saying that leftism and masculinity is incompatible.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
You sound like a limp wristed soyboy. You wouldn't be liberal otherwise.
o0joshua0o 6y ago
Thanks for the unprovoked insult. Are you trying to drive people away from TRP?
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
I am insulting because the most effective way to make men strong is by insulting/shaming weak men. If they get their fee-fees hurt rather than rising to the challenge, means they were a lost cause and i was right.
o0joshua0o 6y ago
The idea of an internet troll somehow making me more masculine is hilarious. My friends will get good laugh out of that one. If I met you in person you would almost certainly be very intimidated.
JF0909 6y ago
I hope so too, but given the state of the media these days, I'm not holding my breath.
Htowngetdown 6y ago
It’s certainly backfiring on them with Trump. If he’s as bad as the media says, why does everything seem to be going so well?
blownnnn 6y ago
It's becoming pretty clear that he is not a bad president (so far) and the media has an agenda to attack him because people will read/click.
I'm not even a Trump supporter but would you want a corrupt president with politically selfish agenda or a president who utilizes his power for a better future at the expense of a bad reputation/status?
Like Even George Bush jr's foresight worked to stabilize/benefit the middle east.
reluctantly_red 6y ago
I'm a liberal and I'm enjoying Trump -- he's Pete Wilson all over again but on a national scale.
red_matrix 6y ago
A lot of what the media sells is click-bait. Anything to get your attention and sell ads. The truth is irrelevant.
Htowngetdown 6y ago
True. I’m sure a lot of them don’t buy what they themselves are selling
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Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
EPA doesn't do anything anyways and just eats up valuable resources. As for climate change - its very much like the MSM reporting fake news about feminism and social issues. Much of climate change "research" is politcally motivated and falsified.
Htowngetdown 6y ago
The internet stuff is simply BS. I do not trust any regulations that the tech giants wish to impose on us. I never thought I would see so many redditors fight for a cause that is championed by the large corporate giants they love to rag on. "Net neutrality" was put in place what, two years ago? I think we'll be ok.
The environment stuff is kinda shitty, but I'm sure there are plenty of brilliant minds with lots of money who are still actively trying to figure out how to reduce pollution and save the planet. And I know it's a bad argument, but if you want to make meaningful progress in this department, look to Asia and Africa. We're outsourcing our pollution, and if getting rid of the EPA brings back the pollution to our backyard then the great people of the US will do something about it, rather than not worrying about the egregious levels of pollution halfway across the world.
The state of public education in the US is pretty disgraceful, so any change is welcomed. No idea what Devos has done or has not done, though.
Empty state department is purely because the democrats won't confirm anyone.
Bottom line is I have more money in my pocket, and North Korea isn't shooting nukes over Japan. Unemployment is low and the stock market is high. I try not to be concerned with politics anyways. The more things change the more they stay the same. I focus on myself and what I can do, and on my personal relationships. I'm doing just fine with Trump at the helm, but I did alright with Obama in charge too (I just had a little less spending money to do it with :P )
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Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
And why is it bad for the super rich to keep their money? Why should the rich have to distribute their money to lazy fucks through taxation? Not taxing the super rich is good as it forces the poor and lazy to either die off or learn to compete - as capitalism should be.
Communism is taxing the rich so that the poor can benefit. Thats literally what the commies did in the soviet union.
Htowngetdown 6y ago
Yeah, but anyways it’s the weekend, politics just distracts from slow times at work. Gotta go workout and get some gains ????
IndividualSplit 6y ago
state department is empty because democraps are obstructing his appointments
It really can't possibly get any worse than where in europe people are arrested and jailed for "hate speech". I think we're fine at this rate.
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Htowngetdown 6y ago
I just replied, but the "corporations" are the ones fighting for "net neutrality." The consumer will pay for the content, the companies at the top are just squabbling over who will get the bigger piece of the pie. Those tech giants aren't pushing for 'net neutrality' out of the kindness of their hearts. Just look at their actions and you'll see how nefarious most of them are.
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wanderer779 6y ago
I'm not real knowledgeable on this. But say you get rid of net neutrality and also remove restrictions to starting competing ISPs? could that also work? I do agree that you either need competition or regulation.
But speaking of unregulated monopolies, why aren't some of these tech companies facing the same scrutiny? It's obvious they are trying to steer the discourse and at this point they pretty much are the public forum or a large % of it. Shouldn't they be regulated? It seems the left is really quiet about this because the censorship happens to favor their side for now.
blownnnn 6y ago
That's not the issue. The problem is that different ISP companies own the physical framework of the internet. Meaning the cables, routers, etc. the physical components that actually allow the transfer and transportation of data to connect us. The problem here is that they are owned by different corporations.
So if your the one paying for that infrastructure and required by law to maintain it...how do you keep your business in tact without customers paying for other services if your a built-up television cable company?
If government built/owned the physical network infrastructure or a corporation like google owned it, net neutrality wouldn't be a big problem.
Basically people in power want these cable companies to give up their invested infrastructure which would ruin their business and give more government control of the internet.
Corporations & capitalism give us our freedom and free speech, not governments.
Htowngetdown 6y ago
Is internet “unlimited” ? Why shouldn’t people who are hogging all the bandwidth have to pay more and the people not using it pay less? If that’s even the direction things go, it seems to be a lot of speculation and fear mongering on both sides as always.
FARTBOX_DESTROYER 6y ago
They care about stories, whether they're legitimate or they have to fabricate them themselves. What's happening here is the media intentionally trying to create hysteria. Works every time with shootings and terrorism. Now they want to pretend like this is some new ideology just to drive attention to whatever media they have.
daemon86 6y ago
I recently said that on a different sub. Bad idea. According to everyone else TRP = incels and the misogyny of everyone who isn't feminist is the reason for such attacks. It would be funny if this ignorance wouldn't be causing more attacks and deaths.
red_matrix 6y ago
Reddit is pretty left wing in general, and the loyal brainwashed subjects are automatically feminist/man-hating (beta?) men. Ideology drives a lot of these people.
Oddly enough, I've seen a lot of women in YouTube advocating red-pillish ideas. The message is being spread, it's the new counter-culture, especially if women (albeit a tiny minority) are starting to push RP.
precisionclear 6y ago
Modern day society seems bizarre. What we call "organic food" used to just be called "food" Mindfully/Meditative eating used to just be called "eating" "Niche culture of women pushing TRP" used to be called "parents raising their children.
In the middle of test driving a new car the other day, the christmatic salesman casually informed me that he had two children, and wanted to kill himself.
I've yet to meet a single happy father or married man in his 30s.
daemon86 6y ago
Normally I like leftism but that feminism is the worst, especially in the media, like every single newspaper. (in Europe, I don't know about US)
red_matrix 6y ago
Feminism is all over the media here. Has been for decades.
motzart73 6y ago
I’m more left than right... far left and the far right are dangerous for different reasons.
daemon86 6y ago
Nice that not everyone here is right wing. After all there are different topics in which we can have left or right opinions.
that_star_wars_guy 6y ago
Extremism in any form is dangerous -regardless of political affiliation.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Nah. Far right isnt dangerous. Saying that is cucked shit.
motzart73 6y ago
That's the most moronic comment. Facism is a failed political model that lead to Millions of innocent people being murdered not long ago.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
LOL. Nice job conflating facism and nazism. Its not a failed political model as its still in use. Finally, "millions of people murdered"? That sounds like a soy-boy white knight comment. Murder is one thing, collateral deaths of civilians due to war is entirely another. Shall we talk about the millions killed by leftist ideology (pol pot) and by American democracys?
motzart73 6y ago
Hitler was a facist leader, I said both far left and right are evil that stands correct and a democracy is far from perfect
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Hitler was a National Socialist leader which is not the same as facism. Mussolini was a facist leader as was Emperor Hirohito and Julius Caesar
reddzeppelin 6y ago
if it were really that simple. I talk about video games potentially having some benefits and people get on me like, stop lying to yourself bro. Problem is, I havent played in weeks, I play with friends who have little to no reason to go pick up women, or who do despite playing a lot of video games, so theyre a challenge. I could say its for low confidence men to attack eachother, men who are trying not to be such pussies and read themselves into some cognitive dissonance, sociopaths, its not like this doesnt also exist here. Youre describing the best side of the redpill, its optimistic its preferential, but there must be tons of incels here, and worse still men who validate themselves based on how much pussy they get.
red_matrix 6y ago
You're describing people on this sub, the red pill is the idea or philosophy. Don't mix the two, and you don't have to agree with what the red pill is, mix and match it to fit your life. As for all those whiney bitches and incels lurking - tell them to STFU and read the side bar, then when they're done tell them to read it again.
Incel_Executioner 6y ago
The core idea is the same. Women are hypergamous and go for the best. The big difference is that incels don't have the genetics to successfully implement TRP. Good luck gaming when your face is fucked to hell.
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ohyeawellyousuck 6y ago
Unfortunately, I think the tone that some of our posts have, and the content in certain cases, highlight a different perceived goal than to understand women and be the best version of ourselves. That is what I believe TRP is at its core, and should be. But many posters feel the need to verbally assault any betas in the audience, with posts that are ridden with "don't be a fucking bitch" or "awalt: she doesn't give a fuck about you, so don't give a fuck about her". This gives off an entirely different vibe for those that do not understand the red pill than simply wanting to be better and understand women interaction.
I always come back to your point when I'm reading a field report and thinking about the selection bias that occurs for red pill men (being that if you don't care about rejection and just keep moving on until you get a hit, there's a chance that the woman you land has similar attributes to woman other red pill men land using the same techniques, and this causes an opinion of AWALT).
As I listen to people, maybe in the anger phase which is a fair point that is not seen by outside journalists, and hear their emotional drenched posts full of anger and language that can be implied as hate, I wonder where this fits in to the red pill founding ideals (as I understand them) of understanding and growing.
In the end, I think because of things like the anger phase, and the assumed need to bitch slap a beta into action, combined with a bit of selection bias and some opinions that can come off in a negative light when viewed through a blue lens, we're never going to be viewed by mainstream media as an accepted subreddit. Those who take the time to research the red pill will probably end up red pilled (though, that does sound a little culty) as they are exposed to some truths, and those who wouldn't take the red pill will never change their opinions anyways, no matter what evidence to the contrary. Neither of this groups of people will aid in changing the mainstream view in our favor, so instead we have to deal with terrible reporting and being lumped in with every other group of people they want to spew hate on this week.
I guess, stay strong is the only advice we can offer. It's like a media wide shit test. How would you respond to a woman saying these things to you? Do that to the media. Be a man.
red_matrix 6y ago
Yeah the anger phase is kind of expected as most men find this place after being fucked over, cheated on and/or divorced. It's like you've been lied to your entire life - it's a red pill moment. You need to realize that it was YOU that failed and that YOU need to evolve: hence step 1 is lifting, then learning (women, finance, philosophy, etc). This is a journey and sitting in one place too long will stagnate and kill you. If you stay in the anger phase for too long you will devolve into some kind of Gollum-like creature no one wants to be around. The red pill evolved from PUA into what it is today, and it's not just about women.
OneRedSock 6y ago
Hah.
Two options:
1) They didn't do enough research to understand the difference.
or (most likely)
2) They know the difference and use incels as the "in" to destroy everything else they dislike that can be remotely tied to it.
It's the same as using fear of terrorism to convince people to give up their liberty in the name of safety and the common good.
And I assure you, they do not see the "good things" of TRP as good enough to counter the "bad things", or they don't see the benefits at all.
thetompain 6y ago
"incels" will be like "nazi". Anyone they throw that label at will be persecuted by their minions. You wait and see.
TheBrokenRuler 6y ago
To be the best versions of ourselves, and fuck a loooot of women. Opposite of incels indeed.
SKRedPill 6y ago
Do not explain truth to emotion!
omegaXXIV 6y ago
Well this is NPR we're talking about here.
Dmva100 6y ago
Paging u/bsutansalt.
This is a great idea. Think you can copypasta that old disclaimer you wrote for CNN visitors that time and rebrand with NPR?
It'll be a good opportunity to break out the banhammer too.
EscapeTheGoat 6y ago
Let's just be real. The man who gets laid is exactly the man who is not angry at women.
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SavingMasculinity 6y ago
Exactly. Incels just give up, and are the real misogynists. We seek to better our relationships with women and to understand them so we can all be happy. Incels are just negative nancies. It's really ignorant that TRP is being lumped in with the incels. It's an insult to real men.
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lItsAutomaticl 6y ago
You'd think so but I've seen plenty of comments here just bashing women for no reason that get hundreds of up votes, and when I call people out on it I immediately get downvoted. The incel and MGTOW crowd is definitely a part of this subreddit, there's no use denying it. Plenty of dumb scrubs are drawn to TRP ideology for shitty reasons.
red_matrix 6y ago
If people like incels come on here and spew their typical crap they do get downvoted. I don't know why incels would want to be here unless they plan to grow.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
The knowledge base is the same for TRP, MGTOW, incels, where are all the good men. Just different expressions of those ideas.
TRP is the pragmatic execution of sexual strategy in today’s climate. Incels is a ‘involuntary’ nihilistic surrender to the game overemphasising the the factor of looks in sexual attraction. MGTOW is a ‘voluntary’ surrender based on self interest/risk. And r-WAATGM is just another form of MGTOW hyperfocusing on the entitlement aspect of post wall women.
None of the theory clashes, just the aims and expectations.
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precisionclear 6y ago
If Incels wait it out a little longer when VR, real synthetic flesh, and sex robots with advanced AI became mainstream, then they will be doing just fine.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Incels can see escorts. That’s not the point though.
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precisionclear 6y ago
Before too long they won't even be escorts though but real as the actual thing, and the lines between TRP / MGTOW / Incel / and even "Marriage" will be begin to blur.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Its like a book written by Stanislaw Lem where people start engaging in a huge amount of sex when robots come out then go to the opposite extreme and die out. Can't wait
precisionclear 6y ago
I'll check out books by Stanislaw Lem. Thanks for the mention. You mean stop having sex with each other and thus no more offspring? Yup, it seems like with the convenience of virtual worlds the old fashioned responsibilities and costs associated with raising children is going to make the practice very undesirable by the next generation of humans.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Yup. In fact sex robots become so common that houses are built with soundproof walls so people dont interrupt each others pleasure. You can get robots of any shape or form and they are incredibly life-like, androids essentially. Why listen to a woman get on your nerves if you can bang a robot?
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Like the media gives a shit? We are the enemy, this is a war, and in a war you try to destroy your enemy. Act accordingly.
red_matrix 6y ago
The media doesn't give a shit, but it will spread the message as people will look into and see what it actually is - I hope.
EducationalDentist 6y ago
I'm upvoting you, but I thought both want sex, but TRP knows how to get it.
Aggressive_Beta 6y ago
Who cares if they lie about us? They’re giving us more attention which grows our numbers.
AnteesAntaas 6y ago
Who cares if our numbers grow? This is not a movement.
Aggressive_Beta 6y ago
Never said we should care if our numbers grow.
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cptspiffy 6y ago
.. because if it's effective enough, the subreddit gets shut down.
Aggressive_Beta 6y ago
Nah the reddit admins would’ve banned us by now if that was the case
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Reddit don’t care about the ‘rules’, they care about a bad reputation and pressure from femmy cunts. There is no moral standard and they can ban with some shitty hamster reason if they so please.
Aggressive_Beta 6y ago
Sounds like a good reason for our community to not be reliant on Reddit.
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cptspiffy 6y ago
People were bitching about FPH for years before it got shut down.
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Aggressive_Beta 6y ago
FPH was actually breaking Reddit's rules, TRP is not.
that_star_wars_guy 6y ago
Not until they change the rules.
cptspiffy 6y ago
Agreed, but I don't have much faith that the admins will let that stop them, given sufficient public outrage.
refusewool 6y ago
Why waste our time writing a post explaining the difference? Let them think we are the same as incels... what journalists / mainstream media think or say we do is completely irrelevant. It should not affect you in any way.
eclectro 6y ago
But then we wouldn't have "fake news" like what we do now. I.e. make broad based accusations to justify an established narrative that men are somehow dumb, stupid, bad, creepy, a rapist and deserve to stand in the back of the room. You know, because of the wage gap^^^^/s
So, as a side note, how many are planning on seeing the new Marvel movie?? Even in that movie men are made out to be dumb pieces of shit.
Bet they don't talk about that on NPR very much now!
o0joshua0o 6y ago
I don't know...There are a lot of very powerful and/or brilliant male characters in that movie. Tony Stark, Thor, Bruce Banner, Dr. Strange.
red_matrix 6y ago
It's a Hollywood movie...designed to make money. Therefore, it is designed to appeal to everyone (lowest common denominator). Why do you think Marvel (Disney) makes movies? Take the red pill and see what's behind the curtain.
motzart73 6y ago
If those Incels read this, it will empower them not to hate, but adapt
radicalizedIncel 6y ago
It's the other way around usually from what I can tell. It was for me, anyway. I first tried applying game and I put in 5 years in the gym and other forms of self improvement until I realized it's just futile. Now all I have is hate.
motzart73 6y ago
It’s about self improvement, not just gym . I’m never going to be ripped .. I just use it as an outlet .. I actually prefer riding to gym .. maybe try that
radicalizedIncel 6y ago
Yeah, but TRP is obsessed with lifting and lifting specifically. It's the default catch-all, one-size-fits-all panacea of TRP.
The point is no one is failing with women because they don't have muscles... or whatever riding a whatever is supposed to give you.
QQ_L2P 6y ago
No, but being a healthy BMI and having well defined muscles has never made it harder for someone to pick up a chick, lol.
radicalizedIncel 6y ago
That's true (unless the chick has some weird body fetish) but there's a cost involved as well. I put 5 years in and it didn't make any difference for me, so it pisses me off that it's peddled as some panacea. It's just a way to increase your attractiveness, but if the bottleneck is elsewhere (your face for example), then your ROI is going to be shit or in my case nonexistent.
QQ_L2P 6y ago
Being attractive to a woman has 3 focal points (in no specific order):
1) Looks
2) Money
3) Attitude (Game)
Normally everybody has a balance of a 3 but an overrepresentation in one area can compensate for an underrepresentation in others. For most people, getting into shape and getting out of their comfort zone is all they really need.
You're saying you don't have looks, I have no idea about your financial status (but I'm going to guess you're not rich or anything like that) but you do have at least a body that's in shape.
Now, you were dealt a hand at birth. You can either play it or you can fold. That choice is yours. But you're in shape and you can afford the tech and supporting costs to get online and post here. Unless you're a burn victim or something, your face is fine. If you're below average looking, you compensate with game. That's how the game works.
But besides that, your facial structure is really secondary to your attitude. Given the tone of your posts, it's clear you're not exactly a happy camper. You need to dig down to find the source of your malfunction so you can get on with your life. Working on an area that's not holding you back is not helpful to your specific scenario. But your specific scenario is not representative of the general population. Most people just need to get into shape and present themselves properly (ie dress vaguely well in clean, well fitting clothes) so chicks can see themselves sleeping with the guy. Maybe you'll never be the guy who walks into a room and every woman gets wet. But whatever you are where you have a good balance of looks, money and attitude, it's better than whatever... this, is.
I'll put this to you now as well. It doesn't matter how good looking someone is, if their attitude is garbage then nobody is going to want to be around them for very long. Looks aren't irrelevant, but they're not the be all and end all.
radicalizedIncel 6y ago
I earn $90k/yr so money is not a problem for me, but not enough for women to want me for my money (whores).
It's a game I've been trying to play for a long time. I've never had a positive experience with women. Every single interaction (in the context of me trying to hook up with them) was a cringey embarrassment. I sometimes remember and just shake my head until the cringe dies down. Holy shit here it goes again
No sir. No no no no. Ugliness is a real thing. I mean I get the intent behind the positive mindset that keeps you from dwelling on things you can't change, but my life experiences (both personal and from observation) have exceeded my capacity for self deception.
So yes, there are guys whose faces make all nearby vaginas dry up. The brains they're attached to are screaming "if you get impregnated by that, your children will never reproduce". Which wouldn't be the case for a burn victim by the way.
Yes, we call those people normies. If that were the case for me, I wouldn't be an incel, I'd be flipping plates or be a serial monogamist or whatever. Does anyone seriously need advice to get in shape and wear clean clothes of proper size? How fucking clueless dumb normies are if that's what passes for useful advice around here?
Shit, you don't even know how good you have it.
red_matrix 6y ago
Read The Iron and the Soul by Henry Rollins. Internalize it. Lifting works. Exercise is a proven mood enhancer as well. I sense a lot of self hate in you - that's what you need to work on. Girls can smell that shit, and they will run. You need to improve your life to the point that people (and women) want to be around you, but don't do it for that, do it for YOU. The rest is just a plus. We can all do it. Anyone can. You also need to understand women and why they do what they do, same goes for men. Don't hate women for being women, thats as dumb as hating the color red for being red. It's nature, understand it and apply it to your life. You seem to have lost your sense of self and forgot what you are - a man.
radicalizedIncel 6y ago
It didn't work for me. And I assume doesn't work for a lot of guys, because they give up after a few months to a few years. I put five years in and I got to a point where daily I'd have casual conversations with guys I don't know and they'd start asking me for exercise advice. Meanwhile women never checked me out or complimented or acknowledged my body in any way (except like moving so to not bump into me). Rejections still happened as they had before, never mind the confidence boost.
It's like you have $20 and I have a nickel. You work hard and double your money and can buy something you want. I work hard and double my money and now I have a dime and it's five years later. Some people are just beyond help, and sending them to the gym with unrealistic expectations is just a cruel joke. They'll be depriving themselves of one of the few pleasures they have in life (food) and spending all the time and effort for no reward whatsoever. That's because the bottleneck is elsewhere (ugly face, most often), and you're only as attractive as your worst feature.
red_matrix 6y ago
So when you were lifting were you in shape? Was your body chiseled? Were you pursuing women, trying to talk to them? Never ever expect women to come up to you, that almost never happens. Have you worked on your game, internalized it? Did you read the Book of Pook and internalize it? Why did you quit lifting? You don't do these things to get laid, this for you and you alone. Have you tried to make your personality pleasing or are you always a Debbie Downer?
radicalizedIncel 6y ago
Yeah, I was at <10% body fat. Read what I wrote in the message you replied to.
Yup, both in real life and dating apps. On dating apps I'd get very few matches, usually from girls I'm not even remotely attracted to. No dates.
In the real, never the slightest IOI. I could walk past like a thousand of girls in a few hours and not one would give me eye contact. When I tried talking to them they were always polite, replying in single word sentences and looking around or at their phones.
I have now. Nothing in Book of Pook is new to me. And I've never had problems with being seen as a Nice Guy or being friendzoned which the Book of Pook puts heavy emphasis on. I should point out I'm 31 and I first started learning about PUA stuff 10 years ago. They cover a lot of the same territory.
Because I was getting nothing out of it and maintaining was too hard. The day I decided to stop going to the gym (6 months ago) was probably the best day in my life so far. I think it's worth to get into lifting just so you can experience the pure joy of deciding not to do it any more. It's kinda sad to see my body get fatter and weaker, but then I order a pizza and it's all good.
Nah, sorry. I started lifting so I could get laid because I was promised it would make a difference. In retrospect it's kind of silly to believe in that with all the evidence to the contrary but I had nothing else to do. For me and me alone, I don't give a shit how my body looks or how much weight it can lift.
red_matrix 6y ago
Sorry bud, you're coming off with a total defeatist attitude and sound very negative. Your attitude is driving people away. Your not applying the red pill at all, read the side bar again, your missing everything this sub is about.
oldrunnerguy 6y ago
As with marriage counseling, it becomes all about the response but not the root cause of problems that led to it. Why don't they ever do a show on the increasing number of "golddiggers" in this country or the increasing spread of female self-entitlement? Maybe, just maybe, they would come to some real truths worth talking about.
Hjalmbere 6y ago
How the fuck is TRP an ideology? It’s a strategy for navigating the sexual marketplace. There’s an overlap with PUA. I would say get your strategy from TRP and your tactics from PUA. Incels is just a circle jerk for sad people.
StinkyDiaper 6y ago
It's threatening to women who wish to rule the world and enslave men in the process.
vandaalen 6y ago
It's not even a strategy. It's a collection of observations and conclusions.
precisionclear 6y ago
Referring to PUA as an ideology was especially stupid. ... Purely dating strategies to get laid... How do you even?
motzart73 6y ago
I don't need a lesson. add up what the Nazis did it's still facism. There is plenty of docos and books if don't believe me. The Socialist Party was just a front.
Omnibrad 6y ago
Don’t worry, ladies. You cannot own us and make us “your” men. We own ourselves now. Problem solved.
DareyFathom 6y ago
Women falling for the lies of feminism is how men get "infected." The truths are self-evident to anyone with a shred of perception.
kevin32 6y ago
The more men who choose self-sovereignty over the feminine imperative, the more women end up on r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen.
truedemocracy3 6y ago
Love how the answer from the left recently with everything is pure censorship.
beginner_ 6y ago
Give him the best sex ever, cook, clean, be nice, never nag. That will do it for sure.
reddzeppelin 6y ago
not true, thats the female version of being blue pilled, she might get lucky but thats a recipe for ending up with a dick
truedemocracy3 6y ago
what? That stuff is straight out of Red Pill Woman. If anything it is the opposite of blue pill
The female blue pill is accepting the media narrative of "you can have curves and still be hot, love your body", "sleep around when young there are no consequences!", "focus on career above all and you'll get a good man", etc.
nappy_poontang 6y ago
Can you imagine “How can I make sure my women doesn’t get infected by these far left feminist groups?” Total shitstorm inbound.
based_meme 6y ago
This is a very effective test of propaganda brainwashing. Saying this verbatim versus what the lady in the radio show verbatim and then seeing the differences in reactions will demonstrate what we all already know.
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There's this mainstream idea that a woman needs to 'control her man' and it's really weird. I saw a headline that said something along the lines of 'Not Even Kim Can Control Kanye'...like was she supposed to be able to??
Plebsin 6y ago
Is this even a question worth asking? After all, she is a Kardashian. They've been brought to this earth to suck the living souls of the men they get involved with.
DodgedAFew 6y ago
Yes, by denying sex or smth.
319Skew 6y ago
Except I'd love to be in that room when she tries. I don't think sex power games work to well when you're a celebrity and can have 10s fight for the privilege of getting throat fucked
Luckyluke23 6y ago
fuck me... I could do with some 15 mins of fame...
maybe i should make a twitter and # #meto /s
DildoEngineer69 6y ago
If they could, those men wouldn't be men at all
SeamusAwl 6y ago
That is what they try to do in marriage. Failing that, they do it in divorce.
beaucop 6y ago
Can confirm. Source: ex wife is slowly going insane trying to control me in family court
EducationalDentist 6y ago
Stay strong and steady, brother. Be Jesus walking on water.
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AllahHatesFags 6y ago
TRP is about sexual strategy and self-improvement; Incels are just a bunch of losers who can't get laid so they adopted our vocabulary to bitch about it. They have no sexual strategy and obviously don't improve themselves. Incels do tend to commit mass shootings because they are hopeless losers who snap and now they are trying to blame the entire manosphere for their actions. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban TRP and MGTOW sometime soon.
yomo86 6y ago
It is all about money and power. For a man what does he need to be happy? Excerice (cheap, one time equipment investment), a car, phone, computer, clothes (can be cheap or expensive but usually are one-time investments), friends (for free), success in fields he deems important. This man is per definition not a highly active part of our consumer oriented society. This man cannot be controled so easily thus to control him you need a proxy. But this proxy needs a purpose. Since women, biologically speaking, lack any purpose for a man besides child bearing, it has to be instilled in him that he is the one who is incomplete without being in an LTR with a woman. The parasite becomes disguised as a symbiont.
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comcain 6y ago
So the same week Wired magazine does a hit job on The Red Pill, NPR does a hit job on... Well, The Red Pill. Anyone else remember Gamergate, with 10 magazines simultaneously declaring, "The gamer is dead."? I can just see Time doing a piece on this. "The Red Pill: is your child taking it?" (Just to tie it into drugs). Paranoid? I hope so!
Hugh_Munghous 6y ago
NPR is garbage.
ssr401 6y ago
Yes but at least NPR garbage tastes a little better than most other news media garbage.
RagingStallion 6y ago
You guys shouldn't be proud of this, you should take it as a warning about how people see The Red Pill. Before I watched Tomassi's lecture I thought TRP was frustrated men venting about not getting laid. After the lecture I was blown away at how he linked evolutionary biology and sexual selection. Great stuff. The problem is that its being hushed by a cloud of mysogeny. There's a lot of people here that have an incredibly cynical and unhealthy view of women, and really do only view them as objects for sex. That's not what TRP is about, but that's the vibe it gives off because of some of the people here. There's a lot of comments on this sub that remind me of the twox echo chamber of angry women, but instead its sexually frustrated men. If it continues this way, nobody will take this stuff seriously, which is a shame.
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Keep in mind, many are still in Anger Mode, either recently or currently being bent over the table in divorce court.
AuspexAO 6y ago
I see a lot of the posts you're talking about, but I think it's understandable to a limit. A lot of these guys feel betrayed because their oneitis ended in a complete wipeout and they want to vent a little. It's not like the mods are allowing circle jerk gripe posts.
wayneinthegame 6y ago
The only solution is for mods to curate the material by removing posts and comments that do not align with the TRP mission statement.
So to keep the mainsteam from thinking we are fascist, we would have to become more fascist.
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RagingStallion 6y ago
That is a good point. Maybe it would be best to let people who actually care about the content find out for themselves. If accusations of toxic masculinity are enough for someone to ignore the teachings then they don't really want, or deserve, to hear us out.
HandsomeCub 6y ago
This is a recipe for growing cohorts of 40 year old virgins that finally understand whats going on, feel that tremendous loss of their wasted youth, and just rage explode. Men need this stuff more than ever. And the more men that see things plainly and clearly, the less the confused women get to fuck things up. Life is way easier when everyone is on the same page as you. Things have got as bad as they are because of apathy along the lines of what you are displaying.
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
I think the attitudes reflected here have always been around, we're just pragmatic when it comes to relationships. If some other model of intersexual dynamics explained the way things work more effectively then we'd be on that, we're observing a system and figuring it out.
People talk about trp as if we created this world to be dicks to women, whereas 90% of the people here started out blue pill by default and figured it doesn't work. Online forums like this are the result of the collective trying to solve a problem.
You can't kill an idea.
FrostyFurseal 6y ago
Right. I suspect for media on the left, BP is the status quo and their problem to solve is any threat to it.
Not_creative_fun 6y ago
Oh damn, can’t argue with this.
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
People are angry with people acting against expectations without concequences. Once they get realistic expectations, the anger goes away.
Its just life doing what life does man
[deleted] 6y ago
Do these dumb fucks not realise that "There's no such thing as bad publicity". Within the next week or so, TRP membership is about to sky rocket. I just hope the app/website u/redpillschool was working on will be up and running when the sub gets shut down
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anon35201 6y ago
Mods better get ready for a bunch of new viewers when people google search for manosphere subreddits with keywords like 'the red pillers', PUA, Incels and SMV. And end up here.
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Has the potential to legitimise TRP within academic circles as "food for thought". May even benefit society when MRA's are listened to and the courts change, men become men, feminism dies etc... Or we all just get called hate filled, sociopathic freaks who need to get a life. Can't wait to find out
medicineandsports 6y ago
This would be great to see. But I think there is no chance that we gain acceptance in the general public. Women will obviously be against us (especially the “empowered”/probably uggo ones), and beta men who answer to these women will be against us as well.
I don’t think it’s so bad the way things are though. I feel like I’m living my life with a cheat code that requires a lot of work but comes with all the benefits I could ever want.
AuspexAO 6y ago
Some women are surprisingly cool with the core concepts of TRP. I have a young man at my job that is BP (but starting to fight it) and I'll give him little pieces of advice when he asks. I don't try and fill him up on the sidebar or anything, he's not there yet. Most of the time there's a lady or two around and they always agree with me. Could be it's just that they're absorbing into my frame, but a lot of the shit women complain about in men: "smothering", "stalking," "obsessing" is all just code for "I HATE BP MEN" lol.
SKRedPill 6y ago
Fortunately the most essential stuff from the sidebar is now inside my head.
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Feminists running scared. They now know they’ve pushed too much & woke up the giant.
Magnum256 6y ago
How stupid. It's subs like this that are actually giving advice to men on how to NOT be incels. The ideology here has never been about hate, but about understanding.
If anything, I'd say the biggest contributor to women-hate, self-hate, and incels is probably the commercial mainstream setting extremely high standards on both genders, but then telling men "it's okay to be a snowflake" and condoning things like laziness, obesity, weakness, etc. so that you'll get men who on some level (often subconsciously) know that ideally women want alphas and high-value men, but are mentally unequipped to achieve that ideal.
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When Men Go Their Own Way, They Go With Hitler!
I've already seen some Cosmo-compliant men on fb giving helpful discourses on incels and MRAs for the sake of their concerned woman friends. I saw a satirical prediction last year that "incel" would be used in presidential debates in 2020, the simulation is so fucked it might not even take that long. Anyone want to profit from this by making a Telluride-bait incel documentary?
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
You say that is if we weren't already. In fact you say that like not every citizen in the world is being monitored and watched
Ill_Will7 6y ago
preach. everything we do is monitored and recorded, then condensed into meta data to try and predict our thoughts and patterns so they can control us easier as well as sell products to us easier. Stay vigilant my friends
HandsomeCub 6y ago
CBC youtube did a short interview with the incel bus topic. "Expert" man in a beanie talks about how the "driving force of the manosphere is extreme misogyny". Surprised he didnt just throw in the rest of the internet as "driven by misogyny" with all his self loathing. Seriously, i know there are pockets of douchebags hovering around here, but there are also many brilliant amazing positive men, which is why i stick up for this place. The driving force behind the manosphere is actually just being awesome, and you need to see things plainly to do that. Men have a unique set of problems around sexuality that women have the luxury of ignoring or pretending are easy. We need to learn to push back all the insecurities being laid on us. We need the manosphere. I say if there is actual hate, everyone should call them out. The point of this is being a stud or just being happy, none of that dark shit blowing up busses because rejection oneitis.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
The very concept of "hate speech" is anti-democratic and anti-free speech. If possible such hosts should be accused of being authoritarian and trying to spread a female dictatorship as they are anti-white female supremacists. Watch them splutter trying to defend themselves lololol.
Also, there is nothing wrong with "hate". If you repress "hate" it will come out in other ways.
I wrote a post on the van attack that discusses these issues, but was not allowed to post it. Is the moratorium lifted?
thetompain 6y ago
Dear mods,
Please get delete happy with any new posters "joining the club". They will most likely be agents of destruction and will be the impetus of the downfall of this sub. The mods can protect us, but only if they ban and delete like crazy when we get impostors trying to make us look bad.
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How does that old saying go? First they ignore you...
I recall recently that the mods were discussing ways to move this sub to another platform as they are inevitably going to try to shut us down. I hope that these plans are underway. I’d expect a major assault before the 2020 elections.
SavingMasculinity 6y ago
To you journalists: This is a self-improvement sub. This sub is against what the incels sub stands for (giving up, hating women). You're spreading false information to suit your agenda and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Unrealenting 6y ago
They don't like the fact that the truth about most Women is posted here. It forces them to acknowledge the pain and suffering that their selfish choices create in society. They only want the very best Man possible and want the rest of the Men to simply stay quiet and do what they're told, which is inherently intolerable and will inevitably create conflict, because one of the most basic criteria for being a Man in society is whether or not you have a Woman. Naturally, they have this confusion because it is so incredibly easy for Women to receive attention and affection from the opposite sex so they aren't able to understand the feelings of a Man who is completely ignored, especially because he is too agreeable and empathetic. It doesn't help that Women themselves don't even understand why they aren't attracted to Men who are agreeable and empathetic when they themselves receive easy attention and consideration for having these traits, and so when a Man tries to distance himself from these qualities and begins to receive female attention he can easily become tempted with removing himself as much as possible from these qualities and becoming a psychopath or sociopath, as it gets him laid exponentially more than being nice and kind.
Women respond very positively to Machiavellian behavior on a very deep level of their subconscious and it's impossible for them to acknowledge that without extreme cognitive dissonance, so they just blame men and dust themselves off of any accountability while continuing to encourage the behavior by responding extremely favorably to it through sexual selection.
anon35201 6y ago
Agreed and we need to turn the conversation around to: "Toxic Femininity" and: "How do I keep my woman from getting infected by these far-left psychologically manipulative groups" who are hurting society as a whole and causing western Birth rate to fall below replacement.
party_dragon 6y ago
Stop explaining yourself to women and/or journalists. They don’t want to understand.
AuspexAO 6y ago
Good advice. I'd say go one further and don't bother explaining yourself. Your actions and frame will be self-evident.
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
Youre failed before you showed up, that was the catalyst. It takes balls to blame internet blogs for trying to help clean up a hopeless cases mess.
truedemocracy3 6y ago
NPR has become an arm of the democrat party. Cant turn it on nowadays without some sob story involving race or religion.
Remember - it's ok to strategically advance your race, religion, or gender in society unless that race is white, that religion is christianity, and that gender is male.
This sub is so anti-violence in general that it's ridiculous to compare the too.
Magnus_Konrad 6y ago
I had a feeling this was going to happen as soon as they made the incel connection after the van massacre; that they'd be coming for TRP next by lumping the two together. It could be that normies might not understand the significant differences between incel and TRP, but I think that its more likely they don't care and just want to demonize it as wrongthink. We all know why TRP mindset would be considered "dangerous" to those whose agenda is to neuter men, but after Toronto they can now claim that the danger has transcended into a physical threat to society. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if TRP gets banned in the near future.
Anyone who spends enough time here and keeps an open mind should be able to see that TRP isn't about hating women; on the contrary, this sub loves women. It's about self-improvement in all aspects of your life as a man and offering support and advice to those who seek it.
motzart73 6y ago
It’s all about making yourself the best you can be .. not just about bitches and lifting
Banned-in-Boston 6y ago
Yo media wonks.
You will not find here what you were assigned to uncover. Your task-driven mandate to unmask lurid, antisocial "activities" will fail.
TRP is a hospital for losers. We help them become proper masculine winners. TRP is very successful at that.
If/when you write about us, only one thing will happen. More losers will check into Hospital and emerge as winners.
If your overlord's mandate to you is to conflate TRP with anything negative, you will only increase our positive reach and social impact.
Thank you for playing our game.
AuspexAO 6y ago
I don't know. I feel like being a 385 pound man playing PS3 and eating candy out of a bag was so much more rewarding then my current life of fun, women, and not getting the diabetes.
You guys really fucked me over with your hate group! I want my money back! (Note to NPR: I didn't pay these guys any money)
JDRoedell 6y ago
It’s more important now than ever to remember that Red Pill is simply understanding truths (facts) about gender interactions. It’s making sure men don’t become doormats for women or even other men. It’s becoming the best version of yourself while not being manipulated. This throwing the red pill and MRA in with incels is just that.... an uninformed attempt to manipulate.
Incels are a scary, unhinged bunch. They aren’t the red pill.
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After the incels sub shut down, many migrated here. It didn't go well for them.
radicalizedIncel 6y ago
Why would incels migrate here? Incels are failed red pillers, most of us already tried all the shit you peddle here and found it doesn't work for us (for whatever reason).
Joel928 6y ago
Proof positive that TRP and the Manosphere are changing the world - the Progressive SJW Left is losing its decades-long control of the popular narrative.
But the true Red Pill generation will be Gen Z.
No question about it.
GLORY.
SeamusAwl 6y ago
So she has not actually read the TRP subreddit.
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
This is why MGTOW needs to GTFO. It doesn’t belong here. Even though MGTOW is supposed to be voluntary celibacy with similar self improvement goals to TRP, it ends up flooded with incels claiming they choose not to get laid. And then they come here and preach stuff like how #metoo and common law marriage should scare us away from women.
SavingMasculinity 6y ago
She must be thinking of incels. Dumb broad.
Auvergnat 6y ago
It's been a long time since casual journalists have abandoned professionalism. You can't expect a modern journalist to do even the most basic research and information cross-check. Takes too long.
In conclusion, don't expect any news outlet to produce anything else but incredibly-biased, poorly-researched work. It's quite astonishing when you see a paper reporting on a topic you know of, either because you were there or because the topic that's your specialty. They absolutely always get it wrong or spin it the way they want. Always. 100% of all articles you can read.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Yup. I remember watching the news reports from my deployment, I laughed, according to them we were strangling terrorists bare handed.
In reality we were chasing phantom Somalis in sea state 6
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Call something a movement and it starts down a dark path.
Now it's a group that is accountable to the public over a single murderer. Much easier to boxcar them.
Thats why everything has to be a culture/ideology
precisionclear 6y ago
I don't think TRP or MGTOW could ever be a political movement. There's no wealth to redistribute, not giving a specific group economic benefits and power over all others.
MortalSisyphus 6y ago
They will group you no matter what you call it.
A Trump supporter kills someone and suddenly its "the murderous Trump supporters."
There's no way to escape it except through irrelevancy.
drty_pr 6y ago
People love generalizations because they're lazy and it makes thinking easier for them.
TravelingShitLord 6y ago
I fucking hate the boxes that everyone wants to put others into.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Can't do much about it, we are hardwired to save the brain cycles. Just control the narrative (aka have frame) and guide people to where you want them to be
freshoutofgravitas 6y ago
hey man, morticians are people, too. i mean, somebody's got to do it
AuspexAO 6y ago
"I don't believe in 'isms' I just believe in me." Ha ha. I agree. You guys are my brothers in the philosophy of self-development and the understanding of male/female relations. I don't care if you fly a blue or red flag. I don't care if you're rich as shit or poor as dirt. I see a lot of people post shit I don't agree with, but as long as it's not part of TRP discussion, it's not my place to try and change them to be something. That's not why we're all here.
To the media I say: You need to know both sides to a philosophy before you have any hope of understanding it. I LIVED blue pill. I know everything there is to know about being that kind of person. Now I'm a journeyman of TRP. I've read the theories and understand what we're trying to accomplish. I have formed a complete philosophy that doesn't fully accept everything RP writers have ever said, and doesn't discard everything being BP meant.
If we're going to be men, we need to learn and bleed and grow like men. Nothing will be gained by blindly rejecting a philosophy that has scary implications. That way is the path of cowards.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
It's easier to lump failures into the "other" than admit its a concequence of how we've structures society.
Medication carries a small risk of harmful side effects. Thot culture carries a small risk of disenfranchising a guy prone to suicidal Violence.
We either accept it or do something about it
Cissnowflake 6y ago
It doesn’t matter who you are. It only matters what group you belong to
Ieatlinner 6y ago
Saw a headline the other day that went along the lines of 55 year old queer, black, man accomplished some feat”
Why not just say a person accomplished that feat? Why is that even relevant
Cissnowflake 6y ago
Because it doesn’t matter who you are, it only matters what group you belong to
Unrealenting 6y ago
Ironically, TRP is a hive of men who have honed themselves into shit-test-passing Gods. Literally any argument made against us can be flipped and put into the context of "What if women did this to men"? and thus negate their argument, effectively poisoning them with their own medicine and increasing the strength of TRP ideology.
I welcome such criticism because it will finally encourage dialogue regarding the expectations and sacrifices of men and women when it comes to relationships and sex.
Women complain about "toxic masculinity" but all research points overwhelmingly to the fact that women like assholes, whether they realize it or not, their biology sexually responds and favors confrontative, arrogant, and muscular men who take what they want without apology. The Patriarchy exists because women benefit from it, their only REAL gripe with Men doing all the work and earning all the money is whether they get the best Guy in the hierarchy out of the deal.
The moment they bring their feelings into the argument they will be annihilated by logic and facts, which are unwavering, and it will only weaken their position. Deep down women know they live, in one way or another, to serve men. Men do too. It's simply a fact that Men rule the world, and it is because we are forced to compete for women's attention and affection, and they will, if they can, take nothing less than the bravest, smartest, and strongest man, and these types of men are, by necessity for survival in the midst of constant competition, ruthless.
If Women want to remove "toxic masculinity" they will need to stop being so incredibly selective and capricious when it comes to their choice of mate, but that would of course mean they lose the benefit of only pursuing the man that can best provide for them and their children, and so they need men to compete, and this competition will only get more deadly as inequity continues to increase and women continue to only give attention to men at the increasingly shrinking top of the hierarchy of men with resources.
systemshock869 6y ago
You're a bit optimistic I think. Men who are steeped in feminine primary culture don't make those logical connections. Back them in to a logic corner and they'll really lash out with the attacks because their mantra is "don't think about it."
Also, plenty of women are just happy to find a beta to string along for life. I don't see the masses unsinking the Titanic any time soon.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Acknowledging stupiduty is not passing a shit test.
A shit test would pat them on the head and giving them a lollipop.
Unrealenting 6y ago
True. I'm just laying out the fact that women themselves create and encourage "toxic masculinity" through sexual selection. It's the part of the argument they refuse to acknowledge.
IwannaFocus 6y ago
I don't think that it will be the end of it. Soon we'll have idiots saying "well, that's not the 'real' TRP" pushing their own agenda, kinda like those alt-right people and their savior complex.
It's unfortunate that the lifestyle that is TRP is heading down this road.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Meh, it was alt right, then it was mra, then it was incels.
It's almost a placeholder for 'todays bad thing'.. Kind of like clickbait for guys.
A lesson in there... TRP is not the boogeyman people want it to be, so they have to import their boogeymen instead
thunderbeyond 6y ago
I heard a radio piece today where an "incel expert" (there's the first problem) was lumping MRA in with the incel camp. RP is surely going to be drawn in.
Interestingly the (female) expert said "admitted" rather that there were toxic feminist sites around. But the internet was a place where bad people can come together.
No shit. But thats no excuse to censor.
There's a real sense that they want to shut down any form of communication not deemed appropriate.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
I wish dad could pay the bills then I could be a "reporter"
TunedtoPerfection 6y ago
Dude, we were a "dangerous hate group" 5 years ago, didn't work then and won't work now. They killed the PUA thing simply because PUA got to big for itself. When most of the PUA groups turned it into a business and targeted the awkward group of men with their "approach all women and don't take no for an answer" techniques it was easy to shoot down.
Awkward guys just end up harassing women because they truly don't understand when to disengage and they don't understand that you can't stand in the same spot in a mall all day and hit on 10 women without being noticed.
If you notice the PUA thing is having a resurgence and there is a HUGE focus on early disengagement because of that.
The truth is, red pill is a truth in society, it self confirms itself when you unblind yourself to women's bullshit. Our theories are based of real life interactions, we don't have "tactics to get girls to like you", and we basically promote putting yourself as a man before putting a woman before you.
There is not inherently wrong with that as women have been told to do that for years. That's the thing, if they ever tried to attack the core of what this is they would be outted as the hypocritical con artists they are, so they don't. They continue to attack the PUA side of things, the "lines", the "tactics" because that shit is creepy and cringey.
Working on yourself, putting YOUR mission first, and finding enjoyment in YOUR pleasure over another beings is not wrong and it never will be. We just also happen to want to bring a female (or multiple females) along for the ride which is our awesome lives.
There is no sin in sharing the greatness of living that I have obtained with another human.
charliechucksuck 6y ago
Haha not angry or violent just not gonna be a sucker
rossiFan 6y ago
Hey NPR, fuck off. Nobody listens to your pseudo intellectual bullshit anyway.
nappy_poontang 6y ago
Men are going to get asked about this by their significant others/family members/friends and associates.
In my experience the best response is total ignorance. I have had zero positive outcomes from trying to share what I’ve learned here to other guys. (Even though they have witnessed and commented on my drastic improvements in life recently)
FrostyFurseal 6y ago
I was once friends with someone who was married and hadn't had sex with his nagging wife for ages. I tried hinting at him that maybe he was BP but he came back with, "There are different ways of being alpha." Dude was deep in denial.
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TheDevilsAdvokaat 6y ago
How is TRP a hate group?
If it is, then is feminism a hate group?
Ieatlinner 6y ago
The irony is that we’re not a movement. We actively advise AGAINST sharing this information with people. But that’s the power of an idea. Especially when it’s true.
buttgoogler 6y ago
At first I felt a little bit of anger towards all this bullshit, but now I realized I, personally, don't give a flying fuck. I know I'm on the right path and it's all to care about.
SerendipitySociety 6y ago
BP media, call us misogynists all you want. At the end of the day you're cucked and we have staggeringly high social and sexual capital.
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vengefully_yours 6y ago
Involuntarily celibate is a "movement" now? Last I checked it meant you can't get laid, not that you don't want to bother with females.
Apparently the bitch taking about us knows next to nothing about us, which has become amusing as they flail around calling us names and trying to associate us with "bad people" and it always works out so well for them. Gotta have the oppressor who is dangerous so they can fight against something.
To the feminist cunt blathering on npr, the society around you is changing despite your best efforts. Why is that? Simply because as more people realize that feminism is part of Marxist ideology, which is in essence communism, they check out. We don't want that shit here, we don't want dear leader telling us what we can't think and what we must say. You can call us misogynistic violent deplorables, but all we are is the start of the pendulum swinging back from the brink of your communist ideology and it's mass death result. Well cupcake, you cunts and your ideology are the oppressors of society.
We are simply those who reject your actions/ideology in favor of reality. Be glad we are here, because the alternative is something you'd really not enjoy. We are the peaceful ones, who are not following dear leader off a cliff. The others out there who oppose communism in all its forms are not so easy going. They are distinctly different and apart from us, even though your effort to associate us with them. Go ahead though, keep pushing your fucked up agenda and try to promote yourself ahead via manipulation rather than through actual accomplishment and work, see what happens. The best you can hope for in this nation is for you and your ilk to fade into obscurity. I don't any of us would lift a finger to help you if the alternative came to pass. I know I wouldn't.
eclectro 6y ago
Feminists don't need to know a damn thing about anyone here and that's exactly the point.
They care about their own established narrative how they're far superior to men but yet for some reason need to have concessions everywhere in life so "they can be equal."
In order to do that they have to oppress men by making them look stupid all the time. You know, so they can be our equals.
ThrowsSharksAtBirds 6y ago
Isn't one of the aspects of TRP that when you leave women you leave them at least better than you've find them? How can that be labelled as female-hating misogynistic ideologies?
anon35201 6y ago
Absolutely and thanks for pointing this out. Remember the ideologies of TRP is itself under attack from its enemies trying to make it into a less perfect version of itself, as hating females for the sake of past injustices.
Real alpha men leave their women better off, after they move on to greener pastures. That's why the opponents to TRP ultimately come up short on debate and virtue signaling. We've latched on to what the writers of Genesis 1 in the bible were trying to get across, that when women get the scepter of power, even for a moment, disaster strikes because evolution by way of natural selection has women as the nurturers and men as the fighters, when civilization gets that backwards and puts women in the protector role, women immediately set all the men to beating the shit out of each other, to get the evolution and natural selection train back on the tracks.
We've discovered ideas and ideals that were laid out 2500 years ago and are still just as true today, and the anomaly to explain is how western civilization has gotten away from these timeless truths.
ThrowsSharksAtBirds 6y ago
Sadly, these little specific things will be always overshadowed by some generic blame they would put up. That is how usually it goes also when arguing, the little valuable things are drowned amongst nonsense bullshit covered in neon and fireworks. And pointing out the little details costs energy and more you talk, the more they can punish you for it. I think I read it in the sidebar somewhere about it.
FaerieDrake 6y ago
Say what you want about TRP but I'm destroying** life currently in almost every aspect of my life (although not careerwise). For relationships, I was hopelessly BP, and right now I'm spinning one plate and having other ONS's. This would've never happened without TRP. The plate recently mentioned how I was fantastic and she found it mysterious that I could "read through her thoughts". Just basic body language and TRP game knowledge.
Edit: destroy in a positive manner
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thunderbeyond 6y ago
This is exactly why they are so scared.
NeverLace 6y ago
I honestly don't think that the media knows that this is how the redpill affects men, they just grouped trp with incels and associate it with misogyny.
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Easier to sell and manipulate people's fear, it's a primal thing
cptspiffy 6y ago
They don't care, all they want to do is sell ads. Outrage does this for them.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
And guys don't buy products.
Thats why ads cater to women.
thetompain 6y ago
NPR doesn't care about ads, they are 100% driven by their insane leftist ideology.
tomgoatb88 6y ago
toxic femininity the horror!!!!!! Fuking hate beta males. The red pill isnt about hurting women its about doing us who gives a fuck what a bitch gotta say.
grewapair 6y ago
If they got a topic you know about so wrong, how many topics you don't know much about has NPR gotten wrong?
FrostyFurseal 6y ago
Most journalists are professional subject summarizers: the details of their subjects are either glossed over completely, or gotten wrong.
There's the occasional hardcore investigative journalist who does deep research and knows their shit, but they're the exception.
SexualBowelMovement 6y ago
The media and democrats (one in the same) are threatened by men who refuse to socially castrate themselves.
That tells us right there that they consider us the enemy.
o0joshua0o 6y ago
No, no, no. I'm a Democrat, and a TRP advocate. Don't make this political.
RedPilledRoaster 6y ago
Lmao. Just women having a tantrum as usual. It’ll pass.
SoulRedemption 6y ago
The more I see things like these the more I believe some of should be careful not to get doxxed.
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Hillarysdilddo_2016 6y ago
Why you listen to that fake news agitprop liberal horseshit is beyond me. But yeah. TRP is merging ideologies with Incels.
Shows how intelligent their "journalists" are. Then think what that says about their average listener.
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Hillarysdilddo_2016 6y ago
Fair enough. Definitely seek to understand their arguments to destroy them. But on the flip side logic is not a good weapon against insanity. And I hope you didn't think I was attacking you, although I don't fault you if you did.
What I meant by my comment was you have a stronger stomach than I do. I can not listen to their drivel for more than a few minutes. It's utterly inane the shit that they promulgate.
anon35201 6y ago
You're suffering from the same disease that your opponents are: your views are so fixed on fighting for this team, that you can't imagine what it's like to be on the other team fighting for their side.
If you rise up above the playing field, you'll see that every topic of conversation raised by NPR is just a football game. The spectators watch, each team tries to dominate the other.
If you can't bring yourself to deal with each argument without irritation, then you're like a football player that runs off the field when the ball gets near you. The same phenomenon is seen to occur in kids. They're playing baseball and the ball rolls toward them, and the kid runs away from the ball screaming.
What does the spectator say when one team member does a twirly dance with the football, and causes half the opposing team to stick their fingers in their ears and run away in irritation?
Does not the person who levied such irritation get a straight shot to the end zone? NPR's arguments are what is being used to maintain the feminine imperative over western civilization. TRP is designed to systematically dismantle them as the lies that they are.
I'll let Achilles explain: https://youtu.be/DYpX-gS6jvA?t=58s
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Fortune favors the brave, lads. If our forefathers could storm the beaches of Normandy, we can endure a couple of bitching women.
Yocoray 6y ago
I can't wait until the guy in that interview gets a sexual assault allegation.
htowntrav 6y ago
Moderators have begun the censorship of the users in this thread. I’ve been banned from other sub’s.
They are definitely painting TRP as a hatereddit. MODS are going ape shit.
HeavenlyMystery 6y ago
What are you talking about?
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Many other subs ban you for participating here.
htowntrav 6y ago
Awesome. Where can I start my path and research?
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The first thing you do is lift and lift heavy. Use facepulls to protect your rotator cuffs. Stronglifts 5x5 is a good start. Athleanx has great technique videos if you can get past click bait. It cannot be overstated. I'm 45 and get IOI's from women off all ages. Then, sidebar. Somewhere over there is a paper on women's dualistic mating strategy. To me that paper is the gem of the sidebar. Good luck!
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TheRealMewt 6y ago
I'd love to see the looks on the NPR audience's faces when they visit this sub and start wondering "how are these guys women haters and involuntarily celibate when they're having sex left and right?"
motzart73 6y ago
Feminists are the most sexist bunch of idiots out there ... I was explaining some industry knowledge to a coordinator and got told I was mansplaining ..seriously I was trying to helpful .. wtf is wrong with these people .
HandsomeCub 6y ago
Or just keeping doors open for others behind you like usual, and getting a feminist frown that thinks its an insult to her independence.
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acidicbitchdotcom 6y ago
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
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tenaciousvirgil 6y ago
I heard this bullshit. What a bunch of leftist drivel.
Vargurr 6y ago
We need more r incels and TRP type boards to shut them up.
iamnotfromtexas90 6y ago
irl is 'sexist ideology' to npr.
Dirkz 6y ago
This place was better and would be a lot better without incels.
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rimper 6y ago
Your first mistake was, listening to NPR.
suburban-bad-boy 6y ago
There is no mistake here, he is just telling us that this sub might get banned.
rimper 6y ago
Sure there is. NPR is agenda driven pablum.
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danoranika 6y ago
Can't D.E.E.R against these people. They don't understand TRP and they don't care to. They're going to push their gynocentric agenda like the blue pill matrix agents they are. All you can do is DA???? ON THESE HATERS... I shouldn't have said that, but you know what I mean.
VickVaseline 6y ago
...and people wonder why we have TRP.RED .
Lambdal7 6y ago
I feel like redpill isn't even mysogynistic anymore. It used to be in its beginnings, where it was pretty much blackpill, but nowadays there are more and more realistic views and bare truths than nust spewing hate.
Zippy1776 6y ago
Interesting how anything focusing on a man improving himself is somehow linked to terrorism by these dweebs...
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Why do you even listen to feminzi misandry in the first place?
They just want to keep men on their gynocentric plantation to exploit us as a class. It's all so Orwellian it boggles the mind . Feminism is the reason some weak men snap...
Boys without father due to feminzi divorce laws, enforced parental alienation to profit the divorce-court/feminzi/lawyer complex are with out proper masculine role-models. These poor souls only learn feminine primary correct male behavior that's expected to make them good betas, but the matriarchal overseers have a glitch in their programming or else men are simply resistant which leads to catastrophes.
anon35201 6y ago
I'll let CGP Grey explain: https://youtu.be/rE3j_RHkqJc?t=5m3s Basically I'm the alpha of this little trp beta clique, and I go on journeys and bring back pieces of the other group.
Also if nobody leaves the safety of the group and goes out to bring back food, then the tribe dies. See https://youtu.be/WdQpLDm6c0w?t=29s
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Fascinating. I actually watched both vids. Your the group Alpha not from facing physical danger to the group but rather facing the intellectual dishonesty of blue pill feminine primary gynocentrism. Taking it for the team to protect the weaker beta. True seeing other opinions does prevent the echo chamber effect of making the antithesis of the group even larger than life to provide a more balanced and clear perspective of the "enemy". I get the same thing through my hobbies, which bring in diverse opinions and confrontations with other ideas. It's easy to see how other groups, especially feminist groups, prop up a "straw man" or ad hominem, and then attack it.
anon35201 6y ago
Vaccines work on the same principle, its just a weakened form of the enemy so you can beat the crap out of it for practice, without fear of losing everything by trying.