TL, DR : No white-knighting, no "chivalry", no romantic platitudes or relationshippy stuff
You've probably already encountered such lists on men's blogs and magazines. They keep shoving Blue Pill bullshit down men's throats and try to present it as some kind of relationship advice. The rationale behind them revolves around not offending the woman.
I mean, you shouldn't offend her for the sake of being a jerk, but look at this insipid shit or this. This one even suggests that something you should say to a woman is : "I'm sorry!".
Society raised you to act beta and say the most beta crap to woman. It isn't sufficient to adopt a Red Pill mindset, you need to become aware your communication habits with women and deliberately change them.
Anyway, I thought it would be fun if we made our own list of things NOT to say to a woman. Basically shit that the betas tend to say a lot. You can obviously use your discernment to decide when it's okay to say them, but generally I'd avoid them. So here I'll start and feel free to disagree and add more in the comments.
You are gorgeous/beautiful!: This has got to be the most popular beta-line. It's become the norm for even average girls to hear this compliment from thirsty betas, who then get pissed off when the woman accepts it. Do not compliment a woman on her looks lest you become one of her Instagram fan boys beta-orbiters. If you ever want to compliment her, compliment her on some skill (such as cooking).
Can I take you out some time?: This wording makes me cringe. It's essentially akin to asking for her permission to feed her and spend money on her. She'll immediately categorize you as a beta provider and withhold sex. I once heard a buddy ask a classmate out, she said she had plans with her girlfriends (because she was obviously not interested), he insisted and told her "I want to feed you!” lol. Betas say variations of this all the time. Avoid.
So...When's your birthday?: Are you planning to buy her a gift? Do you wanna analyze her horoscope? Nobody gives a shit what day she was born. Let her be the one asking you these feminine questions.
Yes! (I'll be happy to): A lot of women will outright ask you for favors in the beginning of the "relationship" as a shit test or to take advantage of you. You need to firmly turn her down, DO NOT DO HER ANY FAVORS, REPEAT: DO NOT DO HER ANY FAVORS.
I'm sorry: Women don't apologize for shit, and when they do, they don't usually mean it. They try to justify or blame on circumstances or even you. Society is teaching men to be apologetic to women for no apparent reason, make sure you're not falling for it.
Do you need help with that?: Don't carry her fucking bags, don't fix her fucking flat tire and don't do her math homework. Let the betas do that. You can't fall for that "damsel in distress" act. It's pure manipulation.
Do you have a boyfriend? (or are you single?): Are you trying to wife her up? Her relationship status is none of your business. If she didn't mention anything about a boyfriend or husband, then she's either single or looking to branch-swing. This question will make her believe you're interested in monogamy with her. Beta move. She should be the one asking you this (which is a massive IOI btw.).
You hurt my feelings: shaking my head I've heard so many guys say this. She shouldn't have that much power over you in the first place. Just dump her ass and move on.
Why don't you like me?: May be, just may be...because you're a nice guy?
You boyfriend/husband is a lucky man: really? is he?
you deserve better: She probably doesn't.
Oh :( you didn't deserve that: She probably did.
I apologize for my gender : She brought those dick pics upon herself.
I have a surprise for you: no no no please don't buy her any gifts and don't attempt any grand romantic gestures.
You're the first woman to make me happy: fuckin lol
Will you be my girlfriend?: or variations like "Am I your boyfriend now?", "what are we?", leave the relationshippy stuff to her, it's easier that way
Ladies first!: Fuck this, I hate this try-hard "chivalry" more than anything, I once had a sad white-knight chump try to lecture me on how to treat a certain "lady" because I was busting her balls. Please never say these words. Don't open doors for her and don't let her go in line before you, and don't give up your seat on the bus unless she's old or disabled.
How many guys have you been with?: Are you insecure she'll compare you?
Who's that guy I've seen you with?: You know what, don't even acknowledge that other guys exist. Jealousy is for betas. Leave it to them.
Do you like me? or Do you think I'm attractive? am I your type?: Don't EVER ask her what she thinks of you, don't look for validation or approval, and don't fish for compliments.
I love you: What is the point of this "confession"? what are you trying to accomplish? You want her to mutter these empty words back to you? Your feelings have zero effect on how she feels about you.
Will you marry me?: Is she rich or something? What am I missing?
What's your list?
EDIT: BTW I meant this list as a guideline, especially for beginners. NOT that you should actually never say these things. USE YOUR BRAIN to decide when it's appropriate depending on the situation or the woman
Thunderfin 6y ago
Nice list, some stuff I disagree with though, such as "I love you".
Zormut 6y ago
That was pretty damn hilarious. But I've got to say that I did some of these myself. Damn.
JohnKway 6y ago
How many guys have you been with?: Are you insecure she'll compare you?
N count?
aShiftyLad 6y ago
"You hurt my feeling" (note only one feeling)
This one is great to use if you are being sarcastic and giving her shit, just don't actually say it emotionally or wanting some form of validation
This entire list is things you can use ironically/flipping frame when flirting.
solid list (also just noticed the edit at the bottom)
zealanderx 6y ago
Yeah...
I dunno, is this considered good content here? I imagine a lot of different opinions- some difficulties I have with this stuff in order of importance.
Not changing a girls tire for her? There are two very different scenarios; 1. This girl is driving you somewhere and get's a flat tire. You have got to be kidding me if you think it's acceptable to let this little doll struggle with changing a tire or calling a company to do it when I am in the passenger seat as a fully capable man of having that thing changed in 15 minutes. I might show her how to do it. No big deal at all. Roll up your sleeves, she'll be wet by the time I'm done with it. Least resistance and we are on with the day. However, 2. If she got a flat somewhere else and calls you to go out of the way- this is a big time test for sure and I've seen some people make good suggestions.
Things that are hilarious and flirty that WORK for me. Tell a GORGEOUS woman, the first words out of your mouth, "I love you" and then proceed to make her realize you are completely just teasing, having fun and definitely would or would not consider banging her.
Calling a woman beautiful is just a good thing to do with my day. Women love this... I can't even count on two hands how many panties this has dropped me. What in the hell is wrong with you? This gives the woman no power if you frame it from the perspective that beauty is cool, nice... but really, it's everywhere and it's been had many times before.
eiseros07 6y ago
So I understand how these questions make men appear very weak & beta...I typically avoid most of them, but you made a lot of good points I catch myself still doing. My question is, what are some good discussion topics when you are first getting to know a hot young woman? I'm an INTJ so I know I have almost borderline austim when it comes to talking to women, but I could provide very in-depth explanations to anyone else about the laws of thermodynamics or quantum physics. I know you are supposed to talk to women like they are children, but what about? Their pets? Their friends? Their next vacation? What get's their vagina's tingling?
JYandeau 6y ago
Yeah a few of these are bullshit. Holding the door for a woman isint beta lmao, in-fact it’s the complete opposite. My girl fucking loves it when I hold the door & smack her ass on the way in. It’s not beta to be a gentleman. Most of the other shits correct though.
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Have you ever said "I love you" to your mother, sister or grandmother?
Maybe you should. If you don't have any of these people in your life... I don't know. I don't know.
CrazyHorseInvincible 6y ago
Getting a lot of whiny reports on this one.
I've looked at it. It stays. Get over it.
boom_bostic 6y ago
What about "did you cum?" or "did you really cum or were you just faking it?"
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Reformed65 6y ago
Whoever says that is way beyond saving.
qwerty123457 6y ago
We as a society don't do a great job explaining what makes one successful at dating. People are told women like "nice guys" and you internalize that to mean push over the doormats, instead of being decent humans. You mistake a desire for confidence and self sufficiency for a preference for jerks. You hear things like confidence is sexy, but can't differentiate confidence from being condescending asshats. When your skewed perceptions don't work out for you you start lashing and end up in disgusting circle jerks like these, because people like you hate being self reflective and owning up to your own shit. I'm a woman.
hugaddiction 6y ago
Great start buddy, let's add this one to the list, "Can I Kiss You?". If your 14 this is ok, if your older, you should know when there is chemistry, and when there is not.
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SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 6y ago
Maybe I'm learning more than I thought because I never say these faggy things. I do hold the door for people, but I do it for guys and girls.
m0rphing 6y ago
That's just common courtesy and is fine because you're not doing it to try to get a woman to like you. But if you ever find yourself seeing a hottie and getting the urge to hold the door as a favor to get in her good graces, you've gone wrong and need to check yourself.
ep1939 6y ago
"You boyfriend/husband is a lucky man: really? is he?"
Fuckin screams feminine cuckold.
Lefort3000 6y ago
Its a prime example of putting pussy on a pedestal.
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ep1939 6y ago
I'll be honest, don't like it a bit.
behindtheline40 6y ago
I can see why. It works for me.
ep1939 6y ago
Still makes you a tryharder trying to impress her.
behindtheline40 6y ago
No part of that is trying to impress her.
ep1939 6y ago
Let's agree to disagree, I find it tryharding and non natural.
Just telling a woman that you want to be your boyfriend is both putting her on a pedestal as well as giving the impression that you're looking for commitment. Even worse, with somebody you don't even know. That's neither funny nor a good impression.
"so he doesn't even know me and he's looking for a relationship for me, he's so manly". No woman's gonna think that.
The reason it works might simply be because the rest of your game is okay (and what we say initially is way over discussed than how much it matters).
Mixuh 6y ago
I agree on everything except one, helping with some things you're capable of. For example fixing the flat tyre or carrying heavy bags etc.
This is from a LTR perspective, women like it when you fix stuff and do any masculine productive activities that benefit them. Just never let her take it for granted.
But don't go being a manservant for a woman you're not in a relationship with, that will never end well.
cBIGONE 6y ago
I agree with you. IMO the best way to handle the fix a flat tire type of situations is to get her to do something for you. "I'll be right over to fix the tire babe, im hungry so have dinner ready",or something to that effect.
If you get something like "I'm not your slave" or snarky comment, simply agree and amplify.
This way you are masculine, and putting her in her feminine role at the same time.
Edit: to add to this. Don't be afraid to ask her to do things for you. Women do this all the time. In the end it's mostly about balance, and trying not to over think every little thing
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allala93 6y ago
Don’t go being a manservant for a woman that you are in a relationship with. I cannot express how wrong that will end up.
TurielD 6y ago
Absolutely, never demonstrate manliness or strength. Wouldn't want to turn your girl on now would you?
Mixuh 6y ago
Showing masculine traits and being a servant are two different things. You can reward women with forementioned services. But I've seen this situation too often: A guy keeps changing her every light bulb, relocating her furniture and assembling her new bed where she fucks another guy later the same evening.
Showing masculinity by doing masculine activities is good, but it should be a reward for her feminine activities such as cooking, cleaning, giving head etc.
TurielD 6y ago
Of course they're different. But if you're being cucked in an LTR there's more fundamental issues than carrying the groceries
mummersfarce_is_done 6y ago
Yes but be aware! Upon meeting new women, if they like you they usually ask you to carry some stuff for "innocent" reasons. You might think "why not help someone in need?". Do not fall for it!
Bla23ik8n 6y ago
This happens all the time in school too. I️ have chicks come up to me all the time wanting me to teach them about a certain science. Don’t fall for this bullshit. There are tutors and teachers that help teach that shit. It’s all a huge shit test. They’ll first want the answers and next thing you know you’re buying them a study snack or coffee. FUCK THAT.
always-distracted 6y ago
teach those bitches biology
Mg1221 6y ago
I usually try to teach my GF things she doesn't know. Like fixing a flat tire. Then say " now you know how. You can do it yourself" I don't except anyone to be able to just do something without any knowledge on how. But I do expect them to do it if they know how.
chim_city 6y ago
most women will text everyone on their cellphone for help before ever attempting to try it on their own
Yezdigerd 6y ago
Reminds me of a friend of mine who was asked to help a couple of girls who struggled with a coffee machine, It didn't take him long to figure it out and then he started explaining the issue to them assuming they would be curious to know, but they just put out their cups said thanks and moved on. They wanted the coffee not knowledge, should they encounter the issue again, well chances are there is another a dude around.
bl1871 6y ago
What if it's some heavy shit that they are seriously struggling with?
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Barbuhgurth 6y ago
Laugh at her face, then immediately go post on trp about how much of an alpha psychopath Machiavellian you are
BillSander 6y ago
This thread just keeps getting better.
InstigatingDrunk 6y ago
I think the point here is to act nonchalantly and do it because its your choice. If she asks again, you can just say no. Sets boundaries. You don't want to scare someone off and seem like a jerk.. yet lol.
mummersfarce_is_done 6y ago
I've found it to be one of the stupid ways they test men. So just be a jerk about it and see their reaction. You will not gain anything by helping them, but by being an unreasonable jerk...
youkickmyd0g 6y ago
Right down to curious little 6 year olds. Funny. Make them say the magic word. Adapt slightly for older women if needed. This is kinda dominance/boundary testing that is natural. Kids feel safe with boundaries, and women should too.
youkickmyd0g 6y ago
Pretend she has a dick and consider the situation. Listen to her and don't get unvested and make her turn off at command from time to time if she's telling you good intel/insights and yoy're stuck with her. Just maintain the illusion of penis.
en_men_lu_ana 6y ago
You should also point out that honesty is unwanted. Every time I was honest about chick and people/things/events related to her, it didn't end up good for me.
After some years of experience I can only tell that females prefer comforting lies above anything. And they really don't give a fuck about your opinion.
tonyfaulkner 6y ago
Bleed but do not show it. That's the best way of summarizing it, and to be honest as men we are nothing if we are not strong. We may be born a male but we cannot be men without having strength oozing from us. Thank you for your list, but to be honest, thank you for the point hidden in all these kinds of messages: Be strong and firm.
whatifitsfun 6y ago
That is the definition of TRP to me.
It was painful to accept that you can never show vulnerability; never be intimately sincere. But if there is something that distinguishes a man from a boy, then it is exactly that - the will to be the one who does things, instead of the one who is seen doing things.
menial_optimist 6y ago
I don't know how far to take this. No woman wants to be with a guy who is an emotional robot literally never showing anything. Then again the opposite, being an effeminate emotional tampon is equally big a turn off. I think the ideal women want (and we should want) is a balance. Maybe 75 alpha 25 beta for instance.
Men have emotions too and they are important. I refuse to go back to a pre-1950s level where men were just supposed to never cry and bottle everything up. Thats why you had guys who would drink whisky on the daily.
salemlax23 6y ago
I think it's more of a goal to aim for rather than a hard rule to show minimal emotion. There are always emotions that will be too strong to suppress, namely that of extreme happiness or satisfaction. These are positive emotions that make a guy look good. I believe the goal is to suppress negative emotions and deal with them internally, rather than having them spew out like a faucet.
If you aim for 100/0 and slip to 75/25 then you're golden, but if you're aiming for 75/25 and slip to 50/50 that's not where you want to be.
I agree with your 75/25 idea, but I think that should be the acceptable emotional leak (not sure of better wording) rather than the goal.
menial_optimist 6y ago
100/0 is not ideal. Suppression of real emotions should not be the objective. Rather, control of or understanding of emotion should. If you think 100/0 is going to work in a LTR or marriage relationship you're dreaming. Unless your some kind of dark triad master who has a woman in a kind of "beaten wife" state 24/7 100% of women are going to leave if you're 100/0 100% of the time.
salemlax23 6y ago
My wording was probably poor, it's difficult to use definite quantities when discussing something that doesn't have defined quantities (emotions).
I agree with you that 100/0 isn't ideal, that's not what I was attempting to say. Throwing out the percentages, the gist of what I was thinking is that you should aim high because you're going to fall short. Body language, attitude, etc. are going to give away emotions when you don't expect them too.
As you said (and I have poorly attempted to say) control of emotions is the goal.
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"I apologize for my gender."
Oh, man hahaha.
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ReinhardVonLoengram 6y ago
"Don't carry her fucking bags, don't fix her fucking flat tire and don't do her math homework. Let the betas do that. You can't fall for that "damsel in distress" act. It's pure manipulation"
Bs. I lost my virginity over a gilr asking me to come over and put up her shitty bedroom canopy. Put it up, asked if i wanted to watch a movie, 30 minutes into My Pet Dragon and i was fucking inside said canopy.
It's all about context. If she's contributing , it's not a problem.
m0rphing 6y ago
Yeah but you had to set up her bed for her. That's fucking gay. If she was hot I would probably come over, not touch the canopy because fuck that, and then ask what the REAL reason she wanted me over for is, with a smirk.
ReinhardVonLoengram 6y ago
Honestly, i kissed her on the cheek at work before. This was just a an excuse for getting me over to fuck to rationalize the whoreness away. If there's clear chemistry, her asking you to do things is a plus, especially at her fucking house lol,
Trooper_1868 6y ago
Ladies first!
Don't see the problem with this, as long as you dont behave like a cuck. I remember a friend and 1, held the door for these two girls once, two seperate doors. We didnt go out of our way, but these two chicks just walked past the doors like it was their birthright. They were surprised when we said "your welcome" loudly.
But this was an extreme case. The key is for women to see you dont open doors (keep them open for the next person as you walk into them) for just women. I do it for everyone, regardless of age, gender, etc.
If you open a door for another human being, its fine. If you do it whilst behaving like a beta cuck, then that is a problem.
bobbydreddits 6y ago
Thought about buying a plate flowers and leaving a note saying "you're annoying". Acceptable?
m0rphing 6y ago
Seems like a beta gesture to me, no matter what you write on the card. If I was a woman I'd be like, "Ok yeah he wrote I'm annoying on the card but he still went to the trouble of buying flowers for me. I must really be on his mind all the time or something."
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Whisker-biscuitt 6y ago
Well fuck me, this list just woke me up. TLDR; 40 yrs old, always played a good alpha, but also been in LTR for 18 years, on-off. Kids, complicates things. Meet girl decade younger than me, lots of hot sex, and then wouldn’t you know it, I’m doing shit on this damn list.
So really, thanks for posting this. I needed a wake up as this current girl is great, yeah sure, but there will be no “relationship”, and I gotta keep myself in check. This may be an excuse, but TRP mentality is getting harder to prioritize as I get older. What’s worse is I seem to be attracting more plates though as I age, so that’s a bonus, but only if I can keep my mentality where it belongs.
IvyExcess 6y ago
Black dragon blog will do you a world of good
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Oh you are 17?
When's your birthday
goldenhourlivin 6y ago
Pour one (actually like eight-ish) out for old blue pill me
MikeN_ike 6y ago
As a 17 year old I came this close to fucking a 13 year old who's body and face literally looked like she was fucking 19 or something. Glad my boy tipped me in on it.
Imscubbabish 6y ago
The ol she 13 and he hit it trick.
juliusstreicher 6y ago
You backed off, then HE fucked her!
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Mukato 6y ago
the only valid use of this one, lol
Gentlegiant2 6y ago
Isn't age of consent 16 (in canada)? Does that mean i can get it on with a 17yo? Legit curious about this, I don't want to run into any legal issues
vangodloss 6y ago
18 and up can only have sex with 18 and up. When you're 17 and your girl's 16 you can have sex whereas if you're both 15 you're doing something illegal (technically)
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Though that can depend on local laws, etc.
Where I live, 17 is the age of consent. A 17 year old could legally screw a 60 year old and be fine, barring social consequences.
gELSK 6y ago
// , I think they're working on making it more complex, too
WelfareWarriorZ 6y ago
Uhg I had a chick play some dumb shit pretending she was 19. I let her have it when she confessed. Fucking be careful guys.
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I banged a girl who was much much much younger than she looked. Watch out homies.
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plainposter 6y ago
yeah me too.. no fucks given tho that asss was NIICE
hugaddiction 6y ago
until it gets you locked up for some bullshit drama you dont need
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Bro young chicks will tell anyone and everyone and they aren’t good at hiding shit from their parents. All it takes is one angry dad or a broken condom and boom you’re a sex offender for life. I let her down as quickly and gently as I could... but tbh I did smash one more time because gawd damn dat booty
menial_optimist 6y ago
Yeah I agree. The consent age here is 16 though. Not saying do it.. but if you are, take proper steps ya know.
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Where? I’m headed to the airport RN.
adam_varg 6y ago
Most of United states is 16 ffs. Just cali and few others are higher.
Europe is 14-16, depends on state.
Dunno about rest of the world.
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SpaceTimeinFlux 6y ago
Japan is like 14 but old women over there still look like they're in high school (minus the facial wrinkles)
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14? That's kinda fucked up.
SpaceTimeinFlux 6y ago
Nationally it's 13 but each prefecture has its own rules. Tokyo is 18 for example.
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y_mr_y 6y ago
its not about what you say
its about how you say it
you can ask her to marry you and tell her she is the most beautiful woman alive, depends only on how you say it.
I said about half of those things and got laid, just always give the impression that maybe you don't mean it so even if you slip up and give her an actual compliment she is not sure if you mean it or playing a joke on her.
Obviously we are talking face to face or over the phone.
itsjustsimon- 6y ago
Yup, it does not matter if your SMV is high enough, you can say everything OP wrote not to say and you'll still get laid. But for recovering beta, this shit is good to think about.
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PsyMonk- 6y ago
This needs to be side-barred.... PUT IT IN THE SIDE BAR!!! T_T
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truecrisis 6y ago
Try self hypnosis. It let's you speak to your subconscious.
I swear this shit works. Michael Sealey on YouTube works for me.
HopeFarmer 6y ago
I had that problem too. You've got to reframe your mental accounting of the interactions to favor delayed social gratification. For example, I used to feel bad that a girl wasn't texting me back and assume I was losing something. I would also feel bad when a girl acted sad that I didn't say "I love you too" or something like that. Over time I have learned to see it as a different kind of game. When she's not texting back or she's acting sad, that just means "it's your move" (see: "shit test"). If you reflexively tell her some needy or flattering nonsense or express deferential feelings, you will lose the game. If you resist the urge, you will lose nothing and occasionally score a major victory.
It's painful to internalize at first but it gets you results faster than any other lesson I've found here. I realized that when I just ignored the girls acting upset or ignoring me, tons of them started inviting me to do things, sending flirty messages randomly, and aggressively initiating sexual interactions. Now when a girl ignores me or acts needy I just pat myself on the back for a small victory. If you can stick with it, this tactic works especially well on girls who already think of you as a beta orbiter because subverting their expectations will drive their hamsters crazy.
Mukato 6y ago
pick one off the list and work on either over-using it on purpose, or focus on not using it for 2 weeks and notice the changes in yourself and others you interact with.
then pick another one and do the same thing.
After a while, you'll have gained mastery over each one of them.
thefisherman1961 6y ago
The more you internalize the pill, the easier it becomes to just instinctively not do any of that shit, without even having to think about it. You'll have to actively flip the beta switch on and off to say these things.
42-AX 6y ago
Don't sweat it bro, as long as you keep accomplishing small goals on a daily basis you'll get there. Baby steps.
Hamilton950B 6y ago
Baby steps, and one step at a time. Go out one night and work on nothing but eye contact. Next week, not saying stupid shit. Next week, kino. Next, posture. (these are just examples). You can't do it all at once.
JackGetsIt 6y ago
That's because it's one thing to learn something and it's another entirely to practice it in real life.
In fact over learning and under implementing can become a real detriment to your development.
Ah. Don't do that. Actually do you mind if I workshop a draft of a future post on you?
Davidskylarkk 6y ago
Don't throw general compliments ever! It's easy to remember to zero in on something specific and compliment that. I see these guys saying, " oh your so cute I had to talk to you." Makes me cringe! Find something on her physically, not something she is wearing!!
CoupDeGrace22 6y ago
Sweating the small stuff should hint to you something else is lacking, friendly reminder.
It doesn't fucking matter what you say in small conversations, what matters is who you are and how you say it.
Calum von Mogger asks women for change to buy baby formula and just because he is Calum fucking von mogger and wears a suit he gets not only the change but also gets hit on by the woman.
Meanwhile your average loser can't even say hello without being ignored.
If your reaction to that is "Unfair" "Fuck women wtf is this shit?" then you're in the wrong sub.
InHouse_Banana 6y ago
I feel you bro, I've been there, but with time, it becomes second nature. Just, Ffs, keep track of your screw ups, otherwise you'll never get better at the game.
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itsjustsimon- 6y ago
If you need to think about saying or not saying this shit, you are focusing on the wrong thing. Raise your SMV.
loviathrowaway1994 6y ago
Saying you're beautiful is not beta at all imo. Can signal confidence in your own opinion and express sexual interest. Just say it in an assertive alpha manner
Salted_Pretzel 6y ago
Agreed. It's how you say it. Say it like a dork, you'll look like a dork.
loviathrowaway1994 6y ago
And to be totally fair women don't hear this that often. No one straight up tells them they are beautiful. This way you can stand out from the crowd.
Don't linger on it for too long. Just make an honest observation and then continue with your fucking day, you're a man of value and have shit to do.
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askmrcia 6y ago
Saying they are beautiful is hands down the most cliche movie line of all time.
It's just overused whether the woman heard it or not. I do agree with you though, it's how you say it. You can pretty much say anything, but it comes down to how you say it
PLaTinuM_HaZe 6y ago
Agreed, and I would add that the point that the OP was making was more about new women... gonna compliment an LTR every once in a blue moon.
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This is absolutely unreal. If you agree at all with this sentiment, you have disappeared up your own asshole.
You want to know what makes men into 'alphas'??? Confidence. That's it. And it doesn't come from some fucking book, or belief, or value, or rule. It comes from work. Contribute something to the world. Do something that isn't all about you. Be a part of something bigger.
The fact that you all really want to hear advice about how to be confident shows exactly what your problem is: you're looking for the easy way. Let me ask you something. Would it really be that great if you could actually follow all these rules and everything else in TRP and thus seem like you're confident? Or would it be better to actually gain some real confidence in yourself and then not need to follow any neckbeard's rules?
Dmva100 6y ago
Confidence is an nonsexual attribute (betabux) that women only prioritize over looks and AF qualities once they have hit the wall and need BB qualities for LTRs.
Ichewfivegum 6y ago
I have a surprise for you works in one situation. Your fucking her doggystyle and the surprise is a thumb up her ass.
Dmva100 6y ago
Or a quick spin around and bust on her face
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MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
Yup, agreed on all points.
Next: things you SHOULD say to her:
Nice rack
How old are you!? (You should say this in such a way that any answer is wrong)
You'll make some guy very unhappy one day
There's something fairly attractive about you....
Oh. I thought you were a lesbian. (For bonus points mispronounce lesbian as lesbeen or paraphrase in some other comedic way)
You're only saying that because you're on the rag. Immediately follow up any objections with "hmmm...thought so".
And answer at least some of her shit tests by withdrawing your attention, looking away, pointing your body away, and generally losing interest in her.
Young women who are attracted to you love this all controversial shit and find it very attractive (especially combined with not saying all the pussy-drying comments that OP outlined). Feminists, older women, provider hunters, unattractive and unattracted women all hate it with a passionate fury. Double win.
reallydontgiveashit 6y ago
Immediately made me think of Patrice. Never had a male role model but damn I miss that fucking guy.
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Jonlife 6y ago
Tom Segura said it Beautifully the other day on the Rogan podcast. Paraphrasing: once you show any interest in them, they become disinterested.
So Stop showing interest. Stop caring. And you'll be miserable in trying to get rid of them.
bossplayaintraining 6y ago
And now I don’t get how to talk to a girl.
Salted_Pretzel 6y ago
Tease them. Talk to them normal but add light teases here and there. Practice makes perfect.
askmrcia 6y ago
You can say whatever you want to be honest. Most times it's not what you say but how you say it.
You can say "I thought you were cute so I had to talk to you" if you say it sarcastically and in a way you know she heard it before and then take it from there while looking at her sexually. It's your body language and non verbals that helps.
I know what I said kind of sounds complicated, but it's really not. It becomes second nature the more you practice.
A little hint, when alcohol involved your words mean even less.
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bossplayaintraining 6y ago
And I’m assuming it’s possible for me to show my interest to them without directly telling them about it. I think escalation is the way to go about it. And I also think that instead of asking, “Can I get your phone number?” and shit like that, I should turn it into commands.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
behindtheline40 6y ago
Giving anyone attention that you have no obligation to usually shows interest
Mukato 6y ago
what works for me when it's at that point in the convo where i want the number: Hand them my phone on the add contact page and say "let me have your number"
It's the command form, but I don't put command tone behind it. also the phone is right there to put it in.
baron_vladimir 6y ago
Emotions are conveyed through actions, not words
JoeBender1 6y ago
Never say: “lady, you are a lousy lay.”
She will never forgive you. Ever. Not even in the next lifetime.
Dmva100 6y ago
That's a good way to see if she's down to be a cuckquean though.
JackGetsIt 6y ago
I agree with the gist of this post but I think a lot of people will read it and get confused because you can literally say all this stuff on a daily basis and get laid like gangbusters. It's all about frame, timing, attitude, value, social position, delivery.
In fact a few of these probably need to be said at certain times tactfully within relationships.
I do agree with this one
NEVER EVER EVER say this to a women unless it's completely in jest, i.e. sorry not sorry.
m0rphing 6y ago
These tips are mostly for guys who are really struggling with neediness, in which case they are valuable. For guys who already 'get it' you can pretty much say anything.
allala93 6y ago
Never ever say this in the presence of a man either.
Guthix4Days 6y ago
Jealousy is pretty much a difficult emotion to circumvent. I also occasionally find myself having a bit of it.
Just control it and make sure you use it to improve yourself - don't let it consume you.
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This was pretty funny.
I remember reading somewhere on this sub that when you compliment a girl, always start with "I think" so that you're not saying she is objectively cute, but that you find her cute. Been following that advice ever since and seems to work pretty well. Don't shower her with those, but a well-placed compliment of your opinion on her looks seems to work well.
42-AX 6y ago
Making a first impression with an "I think" statement about her appearance has left women hungry for another one of those in my experience. They end up prettying themselves up and basically throw themselves at you if you use it wisely.
cBIGONE 6y ago
To extend this, i would say "i think your cute, so I wanted to say hi, and see what else you are about". This implies looks isn't going to give her a free pass
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This is some really good advice I’ll keep this in mind
Blackhawk2479 6y ago
Mark Manson’s (Models) take on compliments is pretty much spot on - the compliment itself is not so important, but where it comes from is:
High SMV alpha guys complimenting girls = tingles
Low value beta guys complimenting girls = “ewww, gross”
Use your compliments wisely and strategically, gents.
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Problem is giving compliments automatically lowers your value. Even with girls I'm dating or fucking saying things like "you're hot", "you're beautiful", "you look amazing" will erode her lust for you
tropzumuch 6y ago
Or in other words: SMV the fuck up
Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 6y ago
If you wanna have fun with it say "I don't know about other people but I think you are cute"
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SovereignSoul76 6y ago
always start with "I think" so that you're not saying she is objectively cute, but that you find her cute.
This is the shit that keeps me coming back here....
That's a good fucking insight, man.
furcryingoutloud 6y ago
Keep your compliments sparse. Even in bed. Make them ask for compliments. You've got bigger things on your mind.
Her: "You haven't said anything about my hair"
You: "Like you didn't know it looks good?"
Don't get her used to compliments, this makes your compliments (when you decide to give them) way more valuable.
YouLoveThisBTW 6y ago
Agreed. I wish this sub had more examples in it. I get the theory hands down. I want to hear examples!
What would be great is more posts of tinder conversations or text convos from right after the numbers close.
not-trp-questions 6y ago
"Having the theory hands down" might mean that you could create your own examples. Either in your imagination or irl.
youkickmyd0g 6y ago
Make a sidebar worthy collection to have your wish come true. Easy enough to find examples and link back to OPs, for example
rigbed 6y ago
More guys need to take risks and get laid first.
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I only compliment her physical attributes during sex. Pavlov's dog.
plainposter 6y ago
ohh pavlovian conditioning works SO WELL. reward behaviour that suits you, with your affection like a kiss or slap on the ass, and punish behaviour that you don't like, by crossing your arms or ignoring her, or hiding her cell phone so she focuses only on you, or telling her to get out of your house. super effective, drives them absoluutely crazy. i suggest everyone try it with at least 1 girl
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Compliments can be an easy way to establish man-to-woman though (make it clear why you're talking to her). Say you see a girl on the street, being direct can work well depending on where in the world you are.
In that case, there is a big difference between
Even during sex, I think it stimulates her emotions more to hear you say that you love that sexy ass of her's rather than just saying she has a sexy ass.
It's 90% vibe though.
whatifitsfun 6y ago
"Yeah...you like that, you fucking retard?"
LordStoffelstein 6y ago
Omfg lol. I haven't heard this in hekka long
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Einzakin 6y ago
This is an incredibly lame post, as if none of these could be used in situations. Are you 12?
MrillRedPill 6y ago
I've banged alot of women off tinder by telling them that their beautiful so I'm not so sure about rule#1
exit_sandman 6y ago
Peter Griffin has nailed it down what you have to say
Also, two things:
If it's her dessert, then this might be a legitimate question.
If it's lube or cuffs (depending on what she's into), this might be a legitimate line.
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InternetHateDevice 6y ago
I'll disagree on calling a woman beautiful or saying ladies first, but the rest I will 100 percent agree with.
I try to be a classic old fashion man, and that angle has worked out for me so far, but I guess it's all how you do it. Women do love men who love to be men.
If I see a woman standing in line for coffee with me wearing some sexy leather boots or just a well put together woman, I'll straight up tell her what I like. Note: I'll be specific about what it is that I like, not just a generic "you're beautiful." It catches most off guard since the vast majority of men don't compliment women like that, usually makes their day, and is a great conversation starter.
allala93 6y ago
I love you.
Game. Set. Match.
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"I.. I think I'm falling in love with you.. oh, sorry, I shouldn't have told you but, you know.. it's true. I feel nervous when I'm around you, feel butterflies, and I'm SURE there is something special between me and you. My life is, like, at a turning point and you can be the most important chapter of it. My mom will be proud to meet you, wait, I'm calling her, tomorrow you are invited to lunch, then I'll show my old pictures and we'll play some games with her. Woah, it's gonna be great. So, well, yeah, if you can, of course, or if you want.. or both, eheh, anyways what's your favourite flower?"
TheTruthHelps 6y ago
I couldn't read through this.
tropzumuch 6y ago
The problem about this shit is that every man knows to be that pathetic by default, but not how to be TRP way.
Batmansiphone 6y ago
Basically said this to a girl about a year ago, she immediately ended it with me.
Mukato 6y ago
watched a movie with the SO and this exact paragraph was in it; fucking cringe-fest.
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Davidskylarkk 6y ago
Call all women "love" they like it a lot! More so in the US since in Europe they do this in a lot of countries...
This works two ways, it gives them the little feeling like maybe he loves me. when you call another woman love in front of target they start to subconsciously kick in the competitive nature...
supersonic-turtle 6y ago
I second this, that word has power.
jonib0ni 6y ago
Nah dude that's corny as fuck.
Davidskylarkk 6y ago
Some can't pull it off, I agree...
Htowngetdown 6y ago
Plus it's a half step away from saying "I love you" and sending kissy face emojis. No thanks.
Davidskylarkk 6y ago
And you're a chromosome away from being a chick....
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BillSander 6y ago
Hmm... perhaps use it with other women too around her. That should get the feelz going.
behindtheline40 6y ago
I agree. Entirely depends on confidence and if you're generally attractive.
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zealanderx 6y ago
Yes this comment-
Written by one who's been there and done it.
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mp111 6y ago
Don't say I love you? Then how do you get them to have sex with you? ^^/s
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RPTA3498 6y ago
When I'm going through an automatic sliding door I tell my girl, "let me get that door for you". I'm such a gentleman.
Epictetus2017 6y ago
Opinions on compliments about her body during sex? Would that be an exception to the OPs view on beauty and pedestals?
Example: "You have a great ass." (While using it appropriately.)
I have found women love compliments about their beauty in bed, but I am willing to hear other opinions. Still working on GFTOW.
Davidskylarkk 6y ago
I will throw out some outlandish compliments. I have told women they have the prettiest asshole I have ever seen. Things they think are ugly are the best compliments in bed or out. Freckles, over bites, scars, etc. are like compliment crack to women...
rpMadler 6y ago
Make it an "I" statement to indicate that her ass only has value when you're appreciating it. For example, "I love the way your ass looks when I'm fucking you from behind" or whatever.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
I've read before that they love it but you reveal a lower SMV to them by complimenting them at all. It puts you in admirer league (she's the best you've done) instead of superior league (he's probably had better chicks than me).
BullshittingNonsense 6y ago
The best thing you can do is punch her in the face and call her ugly though, then she'll REALLY know you've had better chicks than her.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
How has it worked out for you so far Chad.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 6y ago
Okay, so you don't like it here. Allow me to help you resist the temptation to stay.
NitricTV 6y ago
Question how do you feel about "You might be/kinda my type." it's the same as your gorgeous right?
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It depends on the situation. "You might be/kinda my type." is okay if you say it AFTER she gave you some IOIs, it's like you find her behavior/attitude/personality cute.
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GOD_MASTER_KING 6y ago
Fuck I’m guilty of the first two. My question is this, what if we have a very large amount of disposable income ? I’m very well off, so should I not use that card on occasion ? It’s not that I need to, but more so want to. Living lavished is a privilege, so why not use that to sway her more in your favor ? Great post though, saving it. Thanks
Maple_Beard 6y ago
If you’re looking for something to do with your money I could use some.
If you’re waving around stacks of cash she’ll be interested sure, she’ll come on your boat and post Instagram pics then she’ll text some guy who works at McDonalds and ignores her pleas for attention and say “can I come over Daddy?”
BlakTheory 6y ago
It makes sense why red pill is opposite of blue pill.
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Maple_Beard 6y ago
This works, to the point that it’s nearly sickening.
Defend him, in a way that makes him look like an overly emotional BP Beta. Even if he’s not she’ll start thinking he is.
Creakic 6y ago
Somewhat disagree with that one : "Ladies first!: Fuck this, I hate this try-hard "chivalry" more than anything, I once had a sad white-knight chump try to lecture me on how to treat a certain "lady" because I was busting her balls. Please never say these words. Don't open doors for her and don't let her go in line before you, and don't give up your seat on the bus unless she's old or disabled."
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thefisherman1961 6y ago
This is a very important question to ask a prospective LTR. there's always a chance she will just tell the truth if you ask it in the right context and come off nonjudgmental about it. Even if she's lying and the n-count she gives you is still too high, you can disqualify her.
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BrownGummyBear 6y ago
What if you're Canadian though
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Davidskylarkk 6y ago
So what you're saying is, we shouldn't pay attention to small details and to literally copy what this von something dude does?
This is great advice for beginners! You're a star dude.
CaesarsInferno 6y ago
I’m planning on subscribing to TRP but because I’m on mobile right now and this only came up in my random feed... what would you say in lieu of “can I take you out some time”
Rp997 6y ago
You usually just say "let's do x". Assume she wants to hang out with you, don't ask for her permission.
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mention something fun you'd be doing with or without her. Don't make it sound like your having fun is dependent on her agreeing to come along. I always phrase it as if I'm going there anyway. For example:
"I'm going to X this weekend, you should come, it'll be fun"
"Let's hang out soon, I was thinking of doing x"
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BrownGummyBear 6y ago
"I'd like to hang with you" sets date for when
m0rphing 6y ago
Sounds gay to me. "I'm gonna do x, and it's cool for you to come."
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
Telling a girl you'd like to hang with her sounds "gay"? OK MATE
CaesarsInferno 6y ago
Yea I like that. Subtle but meaningful difference in phrasing. Nice.
furcryingoutloud 6y ago
I say whatever is gonna get me laid. Each time. I love you, you're beautiful. Anything as long as it gets me laid. Yeah, I know, I'm an asshole, but then again, I get laid a lot.
Basically, as OP says in his edit, you have to use your head. Timing is everything. Getting those feelz is the objective.
m0rphing 6y ago
You're on the right track for sure and maybe you 'get it'. The key is that sometimes getting laid isn't worth doing certain shit. Sometimes you'll do something just to get laid (and you succeed) and then the girl puts you in that category of "guy who will do x to get laid and I can manipulate him because of it". It's important for dudes to remember that it's not "pussy at any cost", it's "pussy only if it's convenient for you and on your terms."
furcryingoutloud 6y ago
You are so right. And I would like to make very clear that I agree with your assessment and that at the same time, it takes some level of experience to pull it off without turning blue. It is basically a game of push and pull that will get you more than what you give.
Thank you for this. I should have put more thought into my comment and mentioned it. Thanks.
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Whenever I accidentally bump into a girl I accidentally say "Oh, I'm sorry!" and it makes me want to fucking kms. It's like the phrase is coded into my brain and I can't even physically say "excuse me" unless I wait and think about what I'm going to say...
Dmva100 6y ago
If you have high SMV they will actually apologize to you very quickly. The same rule applies to holding doors. Women who think you're hot will often hold the door for you even after their Beta has already held it open for them.
Go for the close if this happens. A big IOI that many miss.
majorketone 6y ago
I relate to this a lot. I'll accidentally say sorry just for getting in people's way and I'll immediately get pissed at myself for saying it. Its hard to overcome the programming
BillSander 6y ago
Apologies are beaten into your programing from an early age. Work on your mental point of origin and take small opportunities to be a dick without saying you're sorry. It feels wrong at first, but gets easier.
Ex. I mistakenly cut a line recently... saw what I did when I saw people walk up who were standing there. Focused on dgaf, and at lunch like a boss.
AbeJFroman 6y ago
Try being Canadian.... lol it's practically automatic that everyone says it... I switched to "excuse me" or saying nothing but once in a while a sorry slips out
SovereignSoul76 6y ago
Great post. I feel dirty when I think about how many of these I've said in my BP days :( shame
thunderbeyond 6y ago
Yeah its like a shameful checklist for me too. Not any more though.
Mr-Kabuki 6y ago
Why cant I say "can I take you out sometime?" what am I supposed to say?
SkorchZang 6y ago
Many reasons. "Sometime" makes it sound like you are always available, at her beck and call, desperately wanting this to happen. That's not how an attractive man acts around women, and they know it, so they correctly assume you're low status, if they hear this from you.
"Can I take you out" is a phrase from 1960 when we still had a "dating culture". It's long dead and buried in 2017, however there are many blue pill men who live according to what Rollo calls "The Old Books". They try to play the chivalry/dating/nice guy game, expecting this will get them laid; they push for relationship, thinking this will let them lock her pussy down for themselves; they allow themselves to be pressured into marriage by women, because they believe they owe the woman marriage if she's been letting them regularly fuck her.
Women know about "the old books" being dead, it's not difficult for them since they're mercenary by nature and very pragmatic - that bullshit simply makes them laugh, on some level. They get that it's theatre, and it's contemptible theatre too. But they also know about the blue pill idiots, who will LARP this stuff till the cows come home, because that's the only thing they know. So women use those guys, sometimes very brutally. You don't want to be putting out this blue pill "old books guy" vibe.
So what should you say?
"I'm going to be doing ABC on Thurs night. Wanna come?"
Specific day and time, no blue pill "dating" bullshit, and you're inviting her to something you're already doing with or without her, for your own entertainment.
If it's a woman you barely know, "what do you like coffee or tea? k, let's grab a cuppa and get to know what fascinating people you and I are. Tuesday work?"
Or maybe: "Hey you know, you're kinda cute. Let's you and me get some covfefe, there's a nice place over there.."
Infinite variations, you just have to get the correct tone and intent down. You need to dump the old books way completely, with its pussy worship and LARPing, but you can still be very charming. Or even more so, without it.
Mr-Kabuki 6y ago
so you should tell the girl that you two should go out instead of asking her. That makes sense. Just a couple questions:
In the first example, you should invite her to do something that you are already doing. But what fun things are you supposed to be doing yourself anyways? I mean if you wanna take her to the movies, you mention that you were going to go the movies by yourself before inviting her and people generally see going to the movies alone as weird and only for friendless people. (same can be said for going to restaurants, concerts, museums, ice skating)
In the third example, you give the girl a compliment before asking her out, isn't that usually a bad idea?
thanks.
take1fortheteam 6y ago
May I* because can I is just bad grammar.
Kizzou 6y ago
This is why it's so important to get out of the house and interface with women. As long as you try to stay mindful, you can observe the interaction in a more objective manner and later reflect and learn.
These things are of no issue for me. I'll say whatever is on my mind to a women or man without an ounce of concern as to what their opinion is of me. Does that mean I purposefully disrespect Them? No, I just attempt to express myself as honestly as I can in that moment. My biggest issue is the approach. I just Inhibit myself at times. It's weird.
Anyway, great post bro!
EightyTimes 6y ago
Naw man.
Feel free to hold doors open, carry stuff for her, if it's YOUR IDEA. You're a big fucking strong guy, who not do a bunch of stuff that demonstrates how effortless it is for you to carry her books? You're demonstrating that you can kick somebody's ass if need be.
Just... When you do these things... Do it because it's YOUR IDEA, not because you were asked or you feel obligated.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
All of these are great if said sarcastically.
A well timed "gorgeous" works pretty well though but I agree it should be super rare. It's a good 'pull' if you've pushed hard. I've only used it when parting ways and it causes them to want to change plans/give a strong physical exit.
Brickles09 6y ago
Except for the ‘ladies first’ part, as I’m not a muslim, it’s everything else spot on.
TuckerP 6y ago
I feel like this is all false tho. I say this shit all the time and I get laid like a madman.
m0rphing 6y ago
If you're hot enough or dominant enough it doesn't matter what you say, but these tips do help guys who are pretty average.
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Maple_Beard 6y ago
I feel can also just be a sign that someone is more of a kinesthetic as opposed to auditory or visual. It does t necessarily have to do with feelings. For a kinesthetic “I feel” replaces “I think”
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All good but, absolutely change her flat tire if it happens: learn how to do that, make it seem easy (it actually is) and she'll love the whole situation, looking at you in adoration like a little child.
m0rphing 6y ago
I absolutely would not do that because it's fucking stupid. I'm not going to do shit for some woman who wants me to be her bitch. Like what am I going to say, "Yeah sure I'll come change your tire without any guarantee that I'll get anything out of it. I just have nothing better to do than fix your problems for you and possibly not gain from it in any way. That's my idea of a good time."
She can get one of her betas to do that or she can pay someone to do it.
BillSander 6y ago
If you frame it like she is a helpless child and you dgaf if she feels helped or not... maybe.
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
Agreed. Having manly skills is definitely attractive. However you shouldn't be any girl's on call repairman. Use your skills only when it's convenient to your situation.
m0rphing 6y ago
Having "manly skills" like being able to fix stuff makes you attractive as a beta utility provider. The only skill you need if you want to be attractive as a dick-provider is social dominance.
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
That’s not true. Being able to fix things shows that you’re self sufficient, you don’t rely on anyone. That’s not a beta trait.
m0rphing 6y ago
It's a beta trait to fix her shit. You can fix your own stuff all you want.
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
I️ said don’t be any girl’s repairman in my first comment dude. Read more carefully.
cmars118 6y ago
What do you think a relationship is? Because everything you listed makes it sound like you need to be some kind of unfeeling robot just to assert your masculinity. It's the definition of insecurity.
Don't tell a woman you love them? Are you serious? You do realize there is a way to have self-respect and be strong/confident in your masculinity while still admitting your feelings to a woman. One of the constant risks of entering a relationship is the possibility that, since you're putting your feelings out there, you might get screwed/hurt. But that doesn't mean you should restructure your entire character or be afraid of being sensitive. You know PLENTY of women also do the things you listed above. And in relationships, plenty of men screw over women all the time. Yeah lots of the things you mentioned are sentimental, cheesy, lovey dovey, and plenty of people take it too far, and that's when it becomes potentially detrimental to your own well-being. But that cheesy, lovey dovey shit is part of what makes us human. And in the long run, it never pays off to be cold and calculating. No matter how much of a grasp you think you have on women.
m0rphing 6y ago
You're still blue pilled my friend. That cheesy, lovey dovey shit is not part of what makes us human. You have been sold a lie of how you are supposed to behave, but it's not the real deal. Sorry to break it to ya buddy.
cmars118 6y ago
To be clear, I would never want to be labeled as "red-pilled". I acknowledge that I do not align with the beliefs of this sub, I was linked here from somewhere else on Reddit and I found this post.
The truth of the matter is this: Love exists. If you love somebody who treats you well and also loves you, it is wrong not to show it. I genuinely hope you come to see this as a beautiful thing rather than a surrendering to a lie. I do not see the world like it's an indie film, where people are falling in love left and right and running through meadows at sunset, and I do not think love is measured by how many boxes of chocolate or roses you buy, and I do not believe posting couple selfies to Instagram is endearing or the sign of a strong relationship. So don't tell me I've simply bought a lie, because you don't know me. I dated a girl for four years who ended up breaking up with me over Facetime. And there are people who have been screwed over in ways a million times worse than that. It was shitty, but it was a learning experience. There are awful, manipulative men and women out there, but there are also lots of great people. Just because I disagree with you, I'm not here to say I think you're an idiot or a bigot or anything like that. No one can force you to act a certain way, but all I ask is that you don't lose faith in an entire gender. Keep reaching out.
There are lots of complications and questions that come from how men and women relate to each other, but "Don't tell people you love them" isn't the answer to any of them.
m0rphing 6y ago
I think you're probably a smart, decent guy who's at least somewhat attractive and you get by pretty well by following the standard societal norms regarding dating and all that.
I may have misjudged your beliefs, but I think you've also misjudged this subreddit. We understand love exists. But we don't think love is the end-game that should be pursued, the highest ideal to aim for, like most people today believe. Instead, most of us like to have a lot of sex, usually with multiple women. So we don't really care much about love. It's cool if women love us, but it's only optional, and same with us loving them. And when we do love a woman it's not important to show it, because doing so rarely increases the amount of sex we have, and in many cases it actually decreases the amount of sex we have. In a few cases showing your affection in a strong way can be beneficial, and some of us do that and have success with it.
I think the main difference between us here is that you want to love and be loved. I want to fuck, a LOT, and whether there is also love present or not isn't important to me. Either we have different values, or one of us is lying to ourselves about our true values.
Bla23ik8n 6y ago
I’m glad there’s guys like you around. Without dudes like you, we wouldn’t have any chicks in LTR to bang.
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BullshittingNonsense 6y ago
This guy is such a major dope
Edit: by this guy I mean the guy who wrote the post
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Vulgar_Professional 6y ago
If your SMV is high enough, you can do/say whatever you want.
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lawlyer1216 6y ago
“It makes me feel anxious when...”
Then again, that line is exactly what got me here in the first place. She dried up instantly.
be-ay-be-why 6y ago
This is actually a very thorough and helpful post. The specific lines that betas say and a TRP perspective on them could make this a side bar item in my opinion.
barb9212 6y ago
I always avoided saying this because it's giving the woman a chance to back out. "I usually say lets go do xyz", or "I'm going to xyz you coming" How do you guys ask woman to meet up with you or hang out with you?
afofaenfofaen 6y ago
oh my god this is such a cringy and obviously butthurt list of bullshit lmfao. Refusal to tell a woman she is beautiful? Maybe if you werent ugly yourself you would have THE BALLS to tell her, and she might just say it back to you before unbuttoning her shirt. Seeing some truths (being "redpilled") about women doesn't mean you have to be cranky and bitchy for the rest of your life, just have some self respect and control over yourself, and you won't have to buy into pathetic tryhard shit like this list.
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lolll ad hominem bullshit, the approach I'm recommending works better
LOL are you living in a fantasy world? telling a woman she's beautiful does NOT make her unbutton her shirt. You can tell her AFTER she's already into you, but then the delivery should be good.
more ad hominem bullcrap, get the fuck outta here