I haven't witnessed charm in its true form many times. But I do specifically remember one person who exuded lethal doses of charm.
The guy in question is 5'6" or some such, tiny person, probably doesn't weigh more than 55kgs. I shit you not. He has a nice face and a big, bright smile. I remember meeting him for the first time. His smile stretched from ear to ear each time I ran into him. He was utterly fearless and unmoved by his social surroundings. So much that I honestly don't even see him as the short toddler he's built like when I envision him in my head.
He danced, he talked to everybody, he laughed, he joked, he hit on all girls, all the while this stupid grin was stretching even wider. And this wasn't even at a party, mind you. No alcohol involved. From an outside perspective, everyone he interacted with seemed like an old friend of his.
Remember his height and weight? Well this dude slays. I've seen him with girls much taller than himself - and they're all hot, mind you. I can't quite put my finger on it, but this feels like an "either you have it, or you don't" type of charm.
He's built like a stick-figure and is about as tall as a toddler, yet he doesn't give a fuck. He truly doesn't give a fuck. He goes from hot girlfriend to hot girlfriend, and I actually hooked up with one of his exes many years ago who seemed to be madly in love with him at the time. You know the kind of love that ruins a girl for years? Yeah, that kind.
Now, I'm not trying to sell some fictious tale to make manlets feel better about themselves. That isn't the moral of this (true) story. The moral of the story is that some people ooze so much charm that it doesn't matter if they live in a cardboard box or a mansion. It's subtle but incredibly powerful and virtually impossible to imitate because it stems from a truly deep sense of confidence and self-awareness. When you see it, you will understand exactly what I mean.
Everyone is charming every now and then. The times that I've exuded high levels of charm have always produced a very favourable outcome with the women who happened to be around me. Be charming. It's extremely powerful.
tolerantman 7y ago
In case what you are saying is true, that guy has something called STATUS, which is by far the most important trait in a man for women. Girls heard about him and wanted to fuck him before he even interacted with them.
Do not give false hope to people that you can work on your 'personality' and smile and have a harem and fuck hot girls like it is nothing, because that is simply false.
RPgolf123 7y ago
Everyone on this subreddit must be butt-ugly or something, to just feed this upvotes. On a forum which claims to be redpilled, and in 2017 when getting laid on tinder while being good looking is comically easy, i'm not sure how one can say this.
However this is more of a PUA forum than anything else really
iamneptuno 7y ago
What luck it has nothing to do with looks, otherwise it would've refuted your whole point, even if there was one, son.
DesignerTom 7y ago
I'm 5'7 and not attractive. I have dated girls more attractive than me. This I think was due to charming, fun and cocky funny personality. These girls told me they did not find me that attractive but they really liked my personality and that is why they wanted to date me. I think looks are very important but if you have strong game then it can give you a good level of success with women in relation to your physical attraction.
landon042 7y ago
sounds like you met J. Gatsby
Metalgear222 7y ago
My most charming moments was on the comedown of hallucinogens and MDMA's. It's damn near like gravity. Everyone is pulled to you. They feed off your energy but you have so much to give that it doesn't even phase you. If only I could find a way to be in that state of mind on command.
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I have a theory, from experience, that when you're on hallucinogenics your "frequency/vibration" increases. Not only do you become more perceptive to your environment, but your environment becomes more perceptive of you.
For example, have you seen the movie inception? When the chick is in her dreamscape with Leo and she starts to realize shes dreaming, the fictional dream characters start staring at her and eventually attack her.
The best way I can describe it to those who haven't tripped is hyperconsciousness. You become aware of feelings and sensations you previously would ignore. You become more empathetic of others. Everything is more vibrant, almost "hi-definition".
It is a little bit esoteric, but since you've dabbled in the ether, I'm sure you can relate to that experience of being at a higher consciousness.
As a matter of fact-- RSD Tyler talks a lot about being in a low conscious state and a high conscious state if anyone would want to check him out.
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I'm the most charming on a low dose benzo and stimulant
Atuli 7y ago
Psychedelics are an amazing way to discover how powerful behaviour really is.
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I achieve similar effects with modafinil. Except it makes me more efficient and doesnt fuck you up.
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No, you were just so high that you thought everyone was feeding off your energy. You thought that you were the centre of the universe when in reality everyone around you was either as high as you or just being nice to the guy who was enjoying his buzz. Your description is just what went on in your drug fucked mind, not what really went on
Metalgear222 7y ago
Spoken like someone who hasn't experimented with hallucinogens. Being under the influence of them doesn't void me of thought-reason perspectives on situations. I was there and experienced first hand multiple times how people interact with me during the comedown. I don't know what the point of your comment is.
Project_Thor 7y ago
Some are cynical and don't want to allow those ideas in, or they need their boundaries. Leave him be, he's just justifying his own ideology.
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The point of my comment is you are kidding yourself. I was taking LSD when you were still in your daddies nutsack boy
Metalgear222 7y ago
Big ego for someone who's done LSD so much. Maybe you should revisit them instead of being a hater "endorsed contributer".
DoveDizzle 7y ago
I guess you just suck at it. I've had numerous experiences fucking hot ass tail... that wasn't on drugs... and made numerous high value friends on the comedown from L. It basically puts me in the moment, rather than in my head overthinking. That's why it's having great success with ptsd and such.
TheReformist94 7y ago
He doesn't get what you're getting at.his response indicates so. Some people on this forum cannot reason
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Correct, which is why we have flairs. My point is not that he wasn't charming, or that MDMA does not release your inhibitions and flood your brain with chemicals which make you happy. My point was that your perception is also shifted. What use is charm if you need to take a drug to get it.
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I think he means the plateau after the peak, not the actual comedown
Returnofthemack3 7y ago
the comedowns are precisely why I stopped using it after a period of prolonged use. It also loses its magic pretty quick if you roll too often, yet the side effects get worse. Def something you can't do more than a few times a year
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DoveDizzle 7y ago
Mdma is an amphetamine. That's what the A stands for. Pills are usually mixed with a bunch of shit.
Cozc 7y ago
If he is reffering to LSD then the afterglow you get for like 5-8 days is truly something to behold.
Like you aren't high and seeing patterns and laughing at everything, but as the same time you have this "everything is oke" type attitude. And when that attitude is genuine, which is almost impossible to fake, people really do feed off it.
Something everyone should experience at least once, imo.
wanderer779 7y ago
Eh, I think it's easier when the girls are fucked up but I don't know about all this. I think maybe some people are confusing how they feel with how others feel about them. If you think you're charming when you're fucked up I'd recommend spending some sober time around druggies and seeing how you feel then.
Cozc 7y ago
While on LSD? sure, people act retarded, its part of the fun. However over my years (and years) of experience with LSD 99% of people aren't still acting like that on day 5 of sobriety. Sure you'll always have that small portion that tries to be the burnout tree hugging hippy 24/7 but those types are easily spotted and avoided.
Also please dont lump the casual pot smoker or 1-time a year LSD user with the crack heads and junkies. Most people who use drugs aren't "druggies". Forgive me if I'm wrong here but you're probably not including drinkers in there too are you?
wanderer779 7y ago
Including them in people who are annoying to be around while sober? Definitely. They are probably the worst of them all.
I'm not some prohibitionist square by any stretch. Back in my day I tried about every drug I could get ahold of. Hell if some came my way now I might partake and I'm old.. I don't look down on it at all.. And I understand where you guys are coming from, when you're fucked up you feel cool and open and you're having a good time. The natural tendency is to project what you're feeling onto others. But are you sure they are enjoying it? Keep in mind the whole point of it is that it alters your perceptions.
But like I said, if you think you are more fun to be around when you're fucked up, why not do a test and spend some sober time around fucked up people and see how much you are drawn to them. In my experience it's quite the opposite.
Cozc 7y ago
Oke maybe I wasn't clear, apologies. I said when people are fucked up they are annoying, we are in agreement on that point. People aren't fucked up any longer the 5th day after taking something. The LSD afterglow I am talking about is not something outwardly detectable. Unless you were to say so, no one would ever guess you had taken lsd days prior. It is simply a slight attitude and perspective change that only you can detect, and by drawing people to you I mean it might cause you to deescalate a situation in which you would have been an asshole otherwise, just as an example.
Ill give you major points for at least including the drinkers lol, everyone always just gives them a pass.
mp111 7y ago
You guys might be talking about different points. I think he's referring to hours after taking, whereas you're talking about next day or 2? I can definitely relate to his point, especially with LSD
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Metalgear222 7y ago
This exactly. The next day after MDMA is pretty rough lol.
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Yea just a heads up, come down is when drugs is wearing off and you start feeling like shit. What you're thinking of here is actually called plateau, which is the state when you under the influence still but you've passed the peak when you're just absolutely rolling balls
DontTreadOnSnek 7y ago
Nah it's always the second or third day that's the worst - helloooo Suicide Tuesday!
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menial_optimist 7y ago
Yeah nobody told me anything about the effects about the comedown, I didn't even know drugs had comedown effects. The few days afterwards were like a soulless void devoid of any feeling of normalcy, happiness or stability. It wasn't that I was unhappy or sad, it felt literally like a lack of contentness.
OneRedYear 7y ago
We used to call those Suicidal Tuesdays back in my day.
onisun326 7y ago
MDMA works because it activates all your serotonin at once, and when you comedown - serotonin is gone. You feel like shit the next day or two because serotonin imbalance leads to depression.
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DontTreadOnSnek 7y ago
You didn't know drugs had comedown effects? Ever been hungover? Alcohol is a drug.
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Hangovers are more than a comedown. It's your body believing that it's sick because alcohol fucks it up so badly. Withdrawal is a whole other story, too.
itsGucciGucci 7y ago
You seem like you shouldn't take drugs
TRPKid 7y ago
Nobody should. Drugs are for losers and go completely against the pillars of TRP.
Only betas trying to escape from their painful reality take them. TRP teaches men how to unplug, thats literally where the term "red pill" comes from for crying out loud.
kelvin_condensate 7y ago
This is pretty damn naive. You can do drugs recreationally just as easily as you can play guitar recreationally.
Do guitar players only play guitar to escape reality? Maybe some, but not all. Same with drug users. Some use it for fun, some to escape, and some because they're addicted.
itsGucciGucci 7y ago
nah dood that's not what I mean. Drugs used in moderation in a healthy way could just be a personal life choice.
Toofuckinglaz 7y ago
Nah, he's fine. A rough MDMA trip will do that to many a man, experienced and beginner.
itsGucciGucci 7y ago
My point was that if you do a drug as potent and dangerous as MDMA I think common sense would be to research its effects.
Toofuckinglaz 7y ago
Oh definitely, totally with you on that one.
oholandesvoador 7y ago
Man, last week I went to a rave party and took around 4 ecstasy pills and at least 0,10 grams of MDMA. I was slayin left and right, everyone that I approached was imersed into me. I found 2 girls who are 8,5/10 and 7,5/10 who are friends with me and they couldn't resist the awesome vibe that I was giving. Made out with the two at the same time on the front of the stage. Then I keept on dancing with the 8,5/10 until the end of the party.
It felt like I was superman, and I wish I was this way everytime I get out.
rmcassio 7y ago
I thought I was the only one to realize that. It's awesome! I think it's because you set yourself free from whatever holds you, and people notice that. Or maybe it's because the huge smiles lol
Metalgear222 7y ago
That's what I was thinking. That somehow when you've checked your ego and put all insecurities to rest, people pick up on that and genuinely are addicted to your vibes and company like a bug flying towards lights.
Enlightened_Chimp 7y ago
It would be so awesome to learn how to attain this state while sober. I always feel like my mind is trapped within invisible constraints that I can't pass when I'm around people I don't know. It would be amazing if it was possible to learn to remove them or even release the tension in the constraints of our minds.
Kevo4ever 7y ago
I'm so curious about this. I've read plenty of accounts of people saying that the attraction/ease of gaming women was almost unbelievable when they did MDMA and LSD. What do you mean when you say everyone is pulled to you?
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You can peep the comment I left too for how it felt to me.
Metalgear222 7y ago
I'll try to to explain it.. your interactions are so god damn smooth. You're so content in your own skin that you reek of this quiet confidence that draws people near you. If they overhear you talking they are instantly intrigued and want to join your convo and get to know you. When they finally do meet you their eyes light up and they are completely wrapped up in your vibes. It's difficult to explain, but have experienced this multiple times.
Kevo4ever 7y ago
Man that sounds awesome. If you wanted to do this sober, you should look into concentration meditation and the Jhanas. I've never done drugs, but I experience Jhana once, and people that have it often say it's a full body blissful experience comparable to some intense drugs they've done. They also describe interactions similar to yours, which is why I want to try drugs out, particularly shrooms and lsd to see how they affect me socially.
Metalgear222 7y ago
Those would be the 2 I would start with. 3.5g of shrooms and 2 hits of lsd. Make sure being outside is a possibility and have something planned with your friends for once the trippy effects settle down and you're set.
Kevo4ever 7y ago
is there a severe comedown with shrooms and lsd like there is with mdma?
Metalgear222 7y ago
No, entirely the opposite. Gentle af.
youkickmyd0g 7y ago
I may be very familiar with that feeling. Now when I party 3-beers-hours-ago sober until 4am I exude the same level charm. This thread could be written about me, same physicals and my teeth are gross. Gotta unblock that shit... substances are good to show the possibilities, but then you just act that way when sober and it's all the same. No moral superiority here, some of my old friends still party with substances but I notice the personality changes clearly now and they aren't what I thought.
rmcassio 7y ago
How their personalities have changed? I'm noticing some changes with some friends too.
youkickmyd0g 7y ago
Weird ticks and messed up eye contact come along with however social they feel. I'm sure they're having fun and connecting with other messed up people... what I mean is they're probably not being perceived the same way they imagine.
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Azevse 7y ago
This is gold, never delete account please
longschlong12 7y ago
Wow, thank you for this. You put into words what i've been trying to describe about myself for years. I'm not trying to suck my own dick here by saying i'm charming and what not, but its interesting to see my behaviours described in words. I can relate to this comment a lot, i'll answer the points if anyone is interested.
2.I'm a good listener, man or woman it doesn't matter, i would give them my 100% attention when i'm talking to someone, always asking them questions to make them feel in the 'zone'.
I do remember details about people, be it the small details that show vulnerability or the details that i remember just to make them feel important. Tip, woman go fucking crazy when you remember details about them, but don't always say it, makes you look obsessed.
I only ever talk about myself when im asked a question about myself. You can see the look in people's eyes when you talk about yourself, they do not give a fuck.
Absolutely true, nothing to add on.
With woman its simple, when i meet them, they have the time of their lives, every fucking thing that comes out of their mouths is about them blah blah blah, i give them solid attention, but not in a "cheery bff' sort of way. Its more of me asking questions that would get them to talk more. A funny example i got from a comedy book was to say "oh i see, but what do you mean by that?" whenever a woman finishes her story or whatever. I swear to god it has never failed me, they would repeat the same goddamn story again and i would just have to suffer through it until i get to bang her and leave.
Yes the sad part was that i was sort of abused as a child, it is what it is and i'm not looking for any pity but i guess that played into the sort of character i developed.
yazen_ 7y ago
It's just my view, if you aren't interested by people, it would be hell to listen to their boring stories twice. And it can show.
kimoice 7y ago
Sick red pill video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFnJMPQow7A
yazen_ 7y ago
Haha, he lost me when he said it was "an administrative nightmare". I'll watch the rest later.
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FACEandLMS 7y ago
Another bluepilled thread on TRP.
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Hey! When are you gonna make the next video on youtube? Ive been waiting...
twoheadedratboy 7y ago
Good. On the flip side, its important to recognise and resist the effects of charm, I consider myself immune to charm and don't have much of a capacity for it myself. Seems like it's the way to get ahead though in these fucked up times.
Neuroentropic_Force 7y ago
Never underestimate the power of confidence. Women are human beings. Insecure, anxious, and responsibility-averse human beings. If you can gush confidence, IDGAF, and navigate conversation flawlessly with innate humor and genuine emotion, you can wrap people, not just women, around your finger with ease.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 7y ago
I got charm out the ass.
I've gotten myself into and out of situations I had no business succeeding in
My god this thing is a godsend during interviews.
Cobraess 7y ago
A very close friend of mine is like this. He is 5"6 and stick thin, and he just doesn't care, it doesn't matter one bit. He makes up every inch in charm.
I know the exact smile you're talking about as well.
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TooMuchToDoo 7y ago
Self-awareness I think is one of the most important aspects of charm. I think it's safe to say that anybody can identify the weirdo in the room, and the charming guy in the room. The kicker is that many don't know whether or not they are being the weirdo or the charmer. It stems from not being able to look at yourself and your actions from an outsider's perspective.
There's two ways to help improve your charm I've found. There may be more out there: The first is to be actively looking at people's reactions when you talk to them. Adjust and improve. If you're more of a sociopath, a faster way to improve is to record conversations on your phone. That way you can truly hear how you sound from an outsider's perspective, just like how it's easier to identify the weirdo and the charmer from a third-person perspective.
Snazzy_Serval 7y ago
I really want to.
As a 5'5 man, charm is the only thing that can save me. Unfortunately I have no idea how to be charming and material on it is very lacking.
IblizTrigga 7y ago
Focus your attention on charisma over "charm". Charisma is a natural people attractant, so it guarantees positive attention. Not everyone can be "charming" per se, but anyone can be charismatic.
If you need help with charisma, focus on having interesting hobbies, talking to more people, and finding humor in situations.
Snazzy_Serval 7y ago
I use the two interchangeably. Whichever it is, I'm painfully aware that I'm lacking it.
I've read "The Charisma Myth" and it didn't really have what I was looking for.
How would have "interesting hobbies" help?
As for finding humor in situations, I'm absolutely a pessimist and only bad things seem to happen to me. Obviously that's not helping me be more charismatic.
IblizTrigga 7y ago
Essentially, charm is "what" you say whereas charisma is "how" you say it. There is overlap between the two, but the focuses are different.
Interesting hobbies help your charisma by giving you something to talk about with passion. If you want to be interesting, say something interesting.
Are you lifting?
Snazzy_Serval 7y ago
It's something else beyond that. Here's an often referenced passage regarding charisma
Yeah I'm lift. Though I have bad genetics and I gain muscle very slowly.
meninistMD 7y ago
Yep, considering that I made my comment on situations where i don't use this identity and where I'd meet new people.
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trpfaust 7y ago
How can one go about learning this?
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I dont believe you can. You have to be doing well in your life first
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What I have noticed is all the guys who attract a large amount of females smile a lot and have a great smile. They also usually have a good sense of humor too.
badDayAtBerchdsgaden 7y ago
Some of them though, I swear its like theyve got the Kavorka. No discernable external reason why they would be different from 50 other guys, but they somehow have the social status of a male model
reecewagner 7y ago
I think you're telling me to be confident and self-aware first, and I will become charming as a result.
omnicidial 7y ago
Ever question to yourself if a stand-up comic can get laid?
Louis CK for instance isn't a big beefed up overworked out meathead, but he's charming on another level.
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
Thats more status than charm.
omnicidial 7y ago
He'd get laid without the status.
You're misinterperting where the power comes from in that, but the meathead "you gotta get gains bro's" faction on trp is a bunch of blockheaded assclowns who's girlfriend would fuck me because I'm more funny and interesting.
The confidence level is all it is, but some men can't feel confidence without muscles.
NoSleeping93 7y ago
Well he might have his life in order to obtain that charm
meninistMD 7y ago
I have to agree with this, I am about this same exact height, and I always didn't have much difficulties in day game as people expect, my first gf was about 5'9 and many of women i have been were about that height, i find talking to taller women interesting and they have an open character, some are impressed. Unfortunately that social idea that height is disadvantage for men, is getting to some men head, and it change their perspective on society, and it destroy their confidence, so they give up even before trying. I remember a one tall friend told me once he is amazed who I am lucky in my life because if he had my height he'd suicide. Unfortunately, last year my sociability slowed down as I am getting neurotic and stressed at work, and started to see the default automatic reaction of how new people perceive me and it is not good as you may expect, as a guy with short height I feel pressured to keep a character of charm and sociability to get what an average man gets in terms of social acknolwedgment, which is starting to be annoying.
KenMastersMD 7y ago
The two letters behind your name help tip those scales. The average man gets far less social acknowledgement.
Truth2222 7y ago
I get the gist of what you're saying, but to say it's more important than looks is simply not true. No need for gross exaggerations to prove your point
casemodsalt 7y ago
Plenty of times I saw a girl and didn't think too much of her until I saw her personality and I liked her more. She wasn't ugly by any means but not exactly a model or what I would typically go for (whether or not my standards were too high is irrelevant for this example). Basically she was just "ok".
My point is that personality can bring a 5 or 6 up to a 6, 7 or even 8.
In my opinion, you start out at your looks. Your body language and confidence, charm, etc all add or subtract from your base looks. Men or women.
Sure, if you're a 8, 9 or 10, there is little you can do to unattract the opposite sex.
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
Explain me, then.
Been compared to Ashton Kutcher many times, still fail with women. So long as you aren't buttfuck ugly you'll get chicks - nothing more gross to women than a guy who has no charm.
Edit: Sorry "looks matter more" crew, but taken from a guy who has prob had more IOI's thrown my way than women you've nervously glanced at, I can tell you right now that looks only get you past the hassle of hardcore shit tests and give you more chances at screwing up. Without charm, though, they mean fuck all.
PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 7y ago
I think a lot of guys want to believe that looks are more important because that will take the responsibility away from themselves. Like the guys in the incel sub. They need to believe they are victims of circumstances, otherwise it means that they actually have to struggle for a better life.
Bruno-OS 7y ago
Just because you look like someone doesn't mean you're as good looking as them.
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axeAce90 7y ago
It really doesn't matter what you look like or what you drive (think Tyler Durden). You have to be grounded in your own free-flowing energy. Whatever that energy is, it has to come from you - 100%. Guys like the person who the OP talked about self-reference all day long and no matter where they are. Even if something negative happens, they give as much attention to it as they fucking want and then they move on. They don't let the little waves move them left or right because, much like that of a large old tree, their roots are deep. They don't laugh cause someone told them to and they never seem like they're trying to do anything. They just - are.
It's hard to internalize for a lot of people, but as OP said - once you see it you know exactly what it is.
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Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
When people dispute the importance of looks, the argument invariably involves anecdotal evidence. Social value matters and I do not think anyone really disputes this. Essentially, your desirability is a function of your looks, money and status. If you have a lot of one of these, like charisma, you can be desirable even if you are lacking in other areas. This does not make looks irrelevant. If you are poor, short, fat and bald, I really do not think you can charm your way into banging lingerie models.
blackedoutfast 7y ago
no it's very possible and it happens all the time. but you need insane amounts of charisma if you're starting from such a low position. the problem is that most poor, short, fat, and bald guys typically have even less charisma than average guys. charisma comes from having a lot of self-confidence and a lot of social experience.
even hot guys need some charisma and confidence if they actually want to get laid and not just have women stare at them. a male model who is low-confidence, awkward, and desperate won't do well with women either. but really hot guys ARE confident and charismatic because they know they're hot.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Please provide photos of short, fat, bald guys who are poor with lingerie model girlfriends. Photos of Loch Ness monster would also be helpful.
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officerkondo 7y ago
No, game is what PUAs sell chumps as the magic words neckbeards can use to hyponotize lingerie models into hot sex. The red pill is self-improvement.
nilco 7y ago
Rsd Luke would disagree. Arguably the guy is rich as fuck. But he still got the same amount of pussy pre rsd.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
With the advantages of money, being a fixture in the Vegas club scene, and producing fake videos, RSD Luke can disagree all he wants.
LethalShade 7y ago
Please pull up something resembling even a shred of proof that any of his stuff is fake.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Google "are pua videos real".
Returnofthemack3 7y ago
Not to mention that these anecdotes often prove that without looks and/or status, you have to put forth an obscene amount of effort to get the same or a lesser result. Look, we all know a guy or two that shot above his weight class, but it's always obvious to me he's putting forth tremendous effort for an objectively lesser result than the hot and/or rich guy. I'd much rather be merely socially competent on a basic level yet hot and rich than the other way around.
Furthermore, i'm sorry but a lot of the most charismatic, friendly, and funniest guys i've known still struggled with women. Why? Unattractive and/or poor.
Dont get me wrong, you should all strive to be adept in social situations because any advantage helps, but don't think that's enough. Even if you can pull, it's a shit ton more effort than the stacked guy
TheReformist94 7y ago
Wheyyyyy.we have a winner.ding ding.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
I still get bewildered when I run into these arguments. A lot of guys seem to believe that you can short circuit hundreds of thousands of years of women's evolutionary behaviour with displays of confidence and verbal skills. I mean, it is nice to peddle hope to an ugly loser, but you aren't really helping. A while ago, some guy posted about his difficulty pulling women when he was 60 pounds overweight. The logical solution was to lose weight, but half the respondents claimed that his weight was not the issue, his lack of "game" was the real problem.
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Returnofthemack3 7y ago
same. it's night and fucking day
All-DayErrDay 7y ago
Dude so you think an ugly loser going from say skinny to muscular is going to make much of a difference? What other advice would you offer him at that point?
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Grooming, improve his fashion style, don't do loser things, get into a good social circle, etc.
Returnofthemack3 7y ago
lol a world of fuckign difference. Put on 20-40 lbs of muscle, dress well, and advance in your career, and come back and tell me it 'didnt make a difference'. I dare you!
Toylil 7y ago
My opinion on this: I don't think his weight was the primary issue but I can almost guarantee you it was negatively effecting his "game" through self-consciousness. He probably didn't need to lose the weight, but by doing so, he'd become more self-assured and his game would indirectly improve as a result. Hell, this exact thing happened to me a short while ago. It's not the weight loss that makes you better, it's your subconscious feeling of "feeling better than I did yesterday" and continuous improvement of one's self that ends up making the difference.
Edit: want to add more to this to provide more value to the conversation. A short while ago, my girlfriend had broken up with me for stupid reasons. I was determined to not stay in my room, depressed and playing video games like a fucking loser. I started exercising and dieting daily and of course, began losing weight. About a month and a half later, she came back and told me that I was a different person, and she wasn't referring to looks. She told me that in every photo she saw of me online, I looked happy, driven, focused. She couldn't believe how quickly I got over her. The funny thing is - I never really got over her, I was still hurt deep inside. But by constantly pushing myself to be better each day, I guess I was exuding some sort of energy that people noticed. During that time, I wasn't even trying to hit on anybody, I was just doing my thing, focusing only on me and yet I got 2 or 3 girls heavily hitting on me within that timeframe. And no, I didn't lose a crazy amount of weight, nor did I end up with crazy good looks after just a month and a half of training. Hell, I'm still kind of chubby. But I did gain something. So you tell me - was it really the weight loss that got those girls and my ex's attention?
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Thanks for the story. The weight loss was probably not the dominant variable. It is likely the fact that you at least looked happy and you were out and about a bit probably helped get you more interest.
In the case of the guy who was 60 pounds overweight, he was going out a lot. It is entirely reasonable that woman do not want to deal with a spare tire if they have options.
Returnofthemack3 7y ago
Yep, this is precisely why I dislike the 'game is everything' posters. It's ultimately harmful for guys who need to do some serious work on their grooming and/or weight/fitness. As I already stated, barring severe social/mental issues, that's usually the area that needs improvement the most. The vast majority of the population is at least somewhat socially competent, so I really don't think highlighting game/social competence is all that relevant barring extreme cases.
Toylil 7y ago
I recommend reading my other post somewhere around here. I believe game is everything, but there's a catch: your game is affected by your subconscious feelings about yourself. If deep down inside you feel like a loser, no matter how much effort you put into your game, you'll still be dragged down by your feelings of self-worth. This is why losing weight or grooming is so important. It's not the weight loss that makes a difference, or the fancy clothes, or the new car - it's your feeling of self-worth. A person who truly feels good about themselves radiates confidence.
marplaneit 7y ago
This. Some friends tell me I punch above my weight. Yes sure, i'm really confidence and charming, even though I don't have nothing to show for.
I'm a med student, I don't have money but still makes really confident. I manage 2 bussiness and I re-invest every single penny so I don't have anything to show for except for nice clothes. I still give a "wealthy bive" even though I don't own or do flashy things. I also adapt really well. I can have fun at party/disco/bars without being the disco douche who can only talk about drugs or alcohol.
xraigekoux 7y ago
I'm curious where you're from. I thought discos were from the 80's.
marplaneit 7y ago
I'm from Argentina. Lol, I don't know the exact name for it. Maybe NightClub I don't know the difference.
reecewagner 7y ago
Key word being loser. Ugly guys can fuck whoever they want to - just don't be a loser
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
If you are rich and/or high status.
reecewagner 7y ago
Do you know any rich/high status losers?
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The guys that invent apps like Snapchat
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PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 7y ago
Neil Strauss is nobody's definition of a looker, but everybody's definition of a pimp.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
You realize "The Game" was fictional right? Strauss also has in recent interviews disavowed the whole PUA concept.
PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 7y ago
Even if that is true, he is still not a good looking guy, and he still gets pussy left right and center. So what's your point.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
He didn't get laid much in "The Game" and when he was a sex addict it sounds like it was through his social circle. I guess my point is that becoming a popular pop culture writer in LA might improve your lay count more than peacocking.
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
You might want to give a source on this bold statement.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Which one? That Neil Strauss didn't get laid much, or the book is fiction? If you read the book, Neil did not get laid much. In terms of it being fictional, while the people and the community exist, Strauss is basically telling stories based on his perceptions at the time. Many of the other people in the book have complained that events described did not occur or they were falsely characterized.
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
That the book is fiction, based on his perception ? then everyone's life is fiction. Even if it was completely fiction, it's irrelevant because the community does exist, and pua works even with ppl who look like Neil.
Anyway I mainly meant this statement:
PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 7y ago
The premise of your point is right, but I disagree with your last sentence. Looks matter, but they rank somewhere around the bottom when it comes to seduction.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Seduction occurs when the woman is attracted to you and wants something to happen. If she is not attracted to you from the get go, it is not like you can progress and change her mind.
PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 7y ago
It happens all the fucking time. You're plain wrong on that one. If you have never seen ugly dudes with beautiful women, you are far removed from society.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
I see them all the time too. But the ugly guy has money and/or status.
PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 7y ago
Yep! We agree completely, then.
spinalmemes 7y ago
Looks are highly subjective.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
To a degree they are subjective, but women do tend to go for guys with good facial symetry, good skin, and a masculine frame. I would be really leary of any woman claiming to be turned on by a dad-bod.
BassNet 7y ago
Nothing you can do about symmetry, bar plastic surgery (which is going too far imo) but certainly eating healthy and consistent excercise can help with skin quality and a muscular appearance
spinalmemes 7y ago
I think thats just what they default to when the other characteristics arent there.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
No. They might default to other characteristics like status or money if looks are not there. It is not like women sit at the club thinking "Well, there are no guys who are charming here, I guess I will have sex with a hot guy....."
spinalmemes 7y ago
They get it by default yes
skittles_man 7y ago
One of the hottest girls I've ever pulled was this porn star tier Asian bitch. To give a little back ground, I'm about 5'8-5'9 and far from blessed by the gods of brodin. I met this girl at a strip club while I was throwing a bachelor party for a good buddy of mine. She was there with a group of people and a decent looking bloke that she had come to the party for. Now keep in mind, I was a bit drunk, which caused me to have the confidence of a raging bull. With all of this liquid courage, I just walked straight up to her and grabbed her by the hand aggressively and pulled her away while telling her that we were going to go to the front stage to stuff dollar bills in the strippers' assholes. When I grabbed her, she was in mid conversation with the guy she originally showed up for. No hesitation, no looking back at this other guy. She just clasped my hand hard and followed my lead.
I bring this up because I remember her telling me that she had been watching me throughout the night and she told me how charismatic she thought I was. Throughout the entire night I was chatting everyone up and clowning on strippers, just working the club.
BTW, this was pre-TRP and to add a disclaimer, I have not had the same results since then lol
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She was a stripper and you was just lucky at the right place at the right time. Like you hit 21 black on the table. A fluke. This story dont really mean that much. And strippers are idiot women anyway
skittles_man 7y ago
lol she wasn't a stripper and she had no affiliation with the club. She knew one of the guys at the bachelor party.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
enjoyed the story. admired the honesty.
skittles_man 7y ago
Yeah. It goes to show you that when your energy and game is on point, you can be capable of great pulls. However, I don't know if I'd be able to replicate something like that without the same conditions.
pilljourney 7y ago
Toddlers aren't 5'6" but I see what you're saying
Mr_Andry 7y ago
OP has a bizarre level of short hate.
RedPharaohRising 7y ago
Op so tall 5'6'' people look like toddlers
Mr_Andry 7y ago
I'm 6'4". Something like 95% of people are shorter then me. I don't look at shorter guys as manlets. I see them as normal, because from my perspective that's just how most people are. For me, I hate those freaks who are taller than me, lol. Makes me uncomfortable to have to look up at somebody, because it's fairly rare.
xraigekoux 7y ago
Thank you lol.
We need more people like you. I feel like the unnecessary hate on shorter people says more about hater.
-Frank 7y ago
When I see someone the same height as me I feel like they are taller because I see myself as normal.
dxfifa 7y ago
statistically 100% of people are shorter than you, 98% of guys
Terdmuffin 7y ago
6'3 and I feel the same way. To me everyone who is less tall than my eyes (I can see the top of their head) is the same height. I never realize how tall I am until I see pictures of myself with other people and I'm like wow am I really that big?
BassNet 7y ago
Yeah same, I'm 6'3 and every short person looks the same height. It's hard to tell the difference between 5'0 and 5'4 haha
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trplurker 7y ago
Be prepared for the haters to hate.
What your talking about is called Social Value and is a huge indicator of Social Ability, that guy exuded it. I've known many people who also were like that, from all backgrounds and they all fucked hot girls.
Men need to stop thinking that women have brains remotely the same as theirs. Women are primarily attracted to Ability, it happened when we moved from the tree's and started walking upright. It was no longer about who was the fastest or the strongest ape, it was who had the most ability. Physical prowess is still a form of ability and should never be discarded or minimized, neither should the other forms of ability.
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This is my biggest hiccup right now. Realizing that men and women think differently and focusing on my own process instead of trying to figure out theirs.
lIlIIIlll 7y ago
I disagree. Treating women as if they're fundamentally different than men is how you end up putting the pussy on a pedestal.
Talking to a girl you want to fuck like she's a girl you want to fuck is a great way to not get laid.
Neil Strauss had a great line about this. "if you think about what's in her pants, before she starts thinking about what's in yours, you've already lost"
SaggyT 7y ago
Well I say goddamn I need to know more about this! Any articles or book recommendations?
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nzgs 7y ago
That is a lot of unsubstantiated cope. Women are attracted to genes and anything which demonstrates genetic quality. Charm and ability are worthless without genetic quality, at best such a man is unknowingly selling himself as a valuable beta provider.
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true. the only thing i read in the OP post is 'he has a nice face'
AwakenedSovereign 7y ago
This is a deeper concept I've seen hints of very occasionally around here. The other post I saw defined it as "potency" & "virility", which by his definition was a man's capacity to invoke change on the world.
Walk in. Fuck shit up. Walk out.
Mildly_Sociopathic 7y ago
I think Jordan Peterson talked about that during his most recent appearance on Joe Rogan, a man's ability to dominate or in this case more specifically, enforce his will onto the environment.
trplurker 7y ago
It all rolls together and ends up being a concept of the man being able to do shit. People frequently confuse different aspects of this and then thing their preferred aspect is somehow superior to the others and is "the true aspect".
The whole game vs body bullshit argument. Or dress vs huge biceps, or height vs status symbols. They are all important and they all indicate one thing, the guys ability to do shit. That ability was vital to human survival and evolution on the plains of Africa. No matter how much posters here bullshit themselves, the biggest, the leanest, the strongest, the absolute ideal of human male physical prowess is absolutely no match for a predator. Something as common as a leopard or cheetah would destroy a human male regardless of his size or strength. Humans have no claws, no fangs, no thick hide, we're slow and have huge vulnerable spots that are easily within a predators reach. The reason we climbed to the top of the food chain wasn't being over six feet or having huge bulging biceps, it was being able to do figure shit out and to do what needs to be done.
It was potency in action. This is what females genetically select for but because it's such an amorphous concept they end up selected for a bunch of traits that indicate it as a second hand source. When her biology finds out that the selected male lacks this potency, it freaks out and rejects him harshly.
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RedPharaohRising 7y ago
Gonna go out on a limb here and say its because men are driven to create. Procreate is one aspect, but that's why they follow leaders. Leaders promise them the ability to create something lasting and that's s deep need for men. Social skill and charm are vital parts of being a leader. I might be an ottermode midget but if I can get the mobs on my side I don't give a hoot how ripped you are.
That's why women are drawn to game, game is the root of social value. It's how you cultivate it
Prophets_Prey 7y ago
Speaking from a limited knowledge in evo-psych, women choose which genes to pass along. Logically, for a species to survive it needs certain traits that increase survivability. Men that do not have these traits, or have not yet cultivated these traits, are not prime prospects for procreation -they will be a detriment to future offspring. Capacity to improve ability is a major factor influencing mate selection itself. The higher a male's capacity to produce these survival abilities, the better his chances of passing on his genes. Women instinctively look for this capacity. Realisation of those particular abilities, whether fulfilled at maximum capacity or not, depends on the formative years as well as the latter years of a male. The more a female senses your capability to produce these abilities and the more you realise them, the higher your chances of reproducing will be.
HouseReyne 7y ago
Looks get you noticed. Charm gets them to stay.
Entropy-7 7y ago
If you can work it, then more power to you.
The most badass guy in the room is the 5'6" guy with the blonde amazon on his arm - and he will fuck the shit out of her, without pay.
straittripping 7y ago
Low inhibition is the only personality trait that is broadly attractive to women the way looks or money is. We live in a tense, high anxiety society today so that makes this even more powerful.
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grandaddychimp 7y ago
Game is not more important than looks.
Looks > Game > Status > Money
francisco_DANKonia 7y ago
I'd say money is a subset of status, so it is not necessary in this list
Exmuzi4life12 7y ago
You totally didn't get the point Did you ????
grandaddychimp 7y ago
Yes I did, the title is false
Warfaced 7y ago
This is nonsense. I try dramatically less with dramatically greater rewards now that I'm making silly money.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
It's true that money can help you improve your looks and status immensely. But That doesn't make it more important at the end of the day, so no it's not nonsense.
PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 7y ago
Game > status > looks > money.
Too many ugly pimps rolling in pussy for your assessment to be realistic to any degree.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
A 10/10 brad pitt looking retard with drool coming out of his mouth will get more hot pussy than an old fat ugly smelly homeless guy with rotting teeth and top notch game
PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 7y ago
A 10/10 brad pitt retard with drool coming out of his mouth still gets no pussy. Your analogy is retarded.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
Your comment is pure naivety
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This argument is fruitless. We must think of it as pieces of a pie that add up to your smv relative to everyone else. Being handsome AF is great, but if you're a spineless beta, it is worthless. Likewise, if you're dog fucking ugly but have the dominating presence of Clint Eastwood paired up with the charm and charisma of Don juan, you're going to have a solid fucking chance of getting in her panties. To conclude, they're two pieces of the same puzzle.
Returnofthemack3 7y ago
Yeah, but how many people can truly be that charismatic lol. It's far better to be attractive. Man, I dunno who yall know irl, but I can't think of one attractive, fit dude that is so spineless and incompetent that he cannot pull wiht great regularity. You have to be borderline mentally retarded if you have looks down
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grandaddychimp 7y ago
So an HB10 will sleep with a smelly, dirty homeless guy with rotten teeth if his game is top notch? GTFO.
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Some fools will argue with everything. My comment, along with 99% of the principles defined by trp are meant as generalizations. Generalizations which describe human psychology and sexual interaction based on probability. So, generally, no, a HB10 won't sleep with a grubby ass homeless fuck because of his sick game. BUT as a statistical outlier, i'd bet my left nut it has happened at least once in the course of human history.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
Then why are you arguing with my generalization?
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Because mine is statistically significant, yours is irrelevant. Sure, 0.000001% of people who take an aspirin die, but we don't say "generally, aspirin has a chance of killing users."
grandaddychimp 7y ago
I disagree with your opinion. IMO an HB10 retard with abs, square jaw, and Brad Pitt looks with zero game will almost always score more hot young pussy than an old smelly fat homeless guy with top notch game. Very statistically significant.
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
What is your definition of 'game' ?
Can we even compare it 1:1 with looks?
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
Good looks gets you in faster, but a good looking dweeb is still a dweeb.. only a woman is more confused when she realizes he's a dweeb.
RPgolf123 7y ago
Lmao.
Gotta love TRP these days. When you are good looking you need to DO LESS to get laid. If you aren't good looking, you need to DO MORE to get laid. if you can't acknowledge this, i have a hard time believing you are redpilled at all.
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
I don't know what to tell you, bud.
Like, yeah, when I acknowledge a bird's existence most times they're overjoyed and playful, responsive and engaged. I'll never say that having good looks doesn't get you to that stage faster (in fact, did I not say that it does? where the fuck are you getting 'looks don't matter' out of my post?), thing is without confidence what good is being in that stage? If I can't sit there and think of something to chat about just to break the social tension and then lead it somewhere to where she's sucking my dick in the backalley or whatever, then a lot of good my looks are doing me innit.
It's like having a billionaire hand you a cheque but you don't know how to reach out and grasp. That was my point - Yes, being good looking definitely gives you a leg up with women, but without the right attitude you will still appear as an awkward dweeb. For instance - there's a cashier at a spot I like to eat at. I stupidly asked her about her piercings, all because I wanted to get what she had, and she blasted me with a 20 minute convo about herself and where she got them and all this jazz.. next thing I know she's peppy whenever she sees me and acts like any other thirsty chick who's ever been spoken to by me. One problem - I'm a socially awkward fuck and she's now expecting more talk from me, but I shake when people talk to me.
TL;DR - Being hot means squat when you're a pussy. An average dude who isn't a pussy would AMOG the fuck out of me, so the looks argument is moot.
mrpCamper 7y ago
I once had a friend who looked like Stone Phillips. Chicks threw themselves at him. He had absolutely no game at all and was actually a total nerd. Great guy to have as a buddy but not a guy that hooked up with more chicks than your average guy. Even though he would get them coming up to talk to him all night long!!!
reecewagner 7y ago
Can confirm. I'm a good looking dweeb. I slay high amounts of ass, but I have no staying power or resonance in their lives.
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You've had the wrong attitude. You could treated these women like shit after fucking them and they would still be bothering you years after. Or try kill you. Or false rape charge
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
Dude.. who gives a fuck at that point, lol. At least you're sinking ship; You'd cringe if you knew what my life has been like for the past 15 years.
Snazzy_Serval 7y ago
That won't be until after she slept with him.
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
Or when he fails to pull by not understanding that she doesn't need to be impressed, or by not actually pulling, or by saying some stupid shit/stammering like a fool.
Despite what people claim, nervousness/inability to speak isn't excused by halo effect and is still a negative. Only instead they are even more let down because you're so attractive and they have a specific expectation of you to be a womanizer.
Returnofthemack3 7y ago
man, you have to suck massively to not pull with good looks. I mean, short of being autistic, it's basically impossible not to have success. You just have to be halfway socially competent.
I dunno, I always see this strawman trotted out, and it boggles my mind. how many good looking dudes do you know with crippling anxiety and/or autism? I don't know many like that, but sure, i'll concede there are outliers. For the vast majority of them, they can get away with murder and far less social competence than a fat and/or ugly guy, and that's what he's highlighting.
Even with immnese effort, the fat and/or ugly guy is pulling less in frequency and qualiyt lol
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
I don't know what to tell you, bruh. I have it; I'm basically a textbook INTJ-T (and if you don't know what that means, it means you're stupidly critical of yourself and you worry too much what others think of you) with poor social skills and can't get laid because of it - I've always had women orbiting me, calling me hot, trying to get with me, and have always been compared to all the hot celebrities that they wish they could fuck (shit, while we're at it we might as well debunk big dick game since I'm a legit 8" BPEL).
You don't get away with murder; You get more chances, but they can and do run out. Most people aren't ugly, they're average. That's why it's called average, and why it's a stupid point to make. The ugly guy can pull, maybe it takes him a few more shit tests and with lower value women, but pussy is pussy at the end of the day.
They could always be a good looking vocel/incel hybrid. Good looks don't always mean social acceptance, well adjusted, or accepted validation - I've been called hot on multiple occasions, but I still don't feel like I am and still hate myself. I have women hit on me first all the time, but no matter what I still think they're just being polite.
Returnofthemack3 7y ago
well then you're a severe case and need to work on that. It sounds like you have some very severe issues. I wasn't denying that this can happen, just that it's not incredibly common. Most people are at least somehwat socially competent, ugly or hot
grewapair 7y ago
I've literally never been hit on in my entire life by any woman who didn't weigh at least 190 lbs.
All you have to do is shut up. Girl hits on you, let her do all the talking.
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
Weird.. I already don't do any of the talking and yet here I am on TRP looking for help with escalation and putting the same lotion on my dick that you do at night.
Confidence absolutely matters. I have none. People aren't attracted to sad sacks, and despite what you think halo effect doesn't cancel out a woman's biological desire for a masculine, dominant man. Take my word for it, since I'm the guy this is happening to, or you can just return to your incel subreddit circle jerk and bitch about your lateral orbital rim retrusion being the sole cause of your inceldom.
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Need2LickMuff 7y ago
I mean, there's more to it than what I've let on, I'm just not about to use TRP as my personal shrink.
I've done No Fap before, and it honestly just makes me anxious more than anything (completed the 90 days before, and still behaved the same way). I've tried talking to a doctor about it, but they don't treat depression that seriously unless it's to the point where you're starving yourself/bedridden all day like that Arab dude in It's Kind Of A Funny Story.
I basically got laughed at when trying to articulate my social awkwardness, even though I was responsive with the guy. I guess I can see why he'd think I was making it up, since I had no problems being clear and resonant when I was talking to him, but it were a fluke.
I can see about the stuff, but from my past experience I always ended up feeling the same way. I guess it can't hurt to try, though.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
And a smelly dirty ugly homeless guy with top notch game is still a smelly dirty ugly homeless guy
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
Being clean and smelling nice is a part of 'game'. Game isn't just talk.
If you are dirty and ugly , you dont have 'topnotch' game.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
By that logic, all of SMV is part of game and there's no such thing as game. GTFO.
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Need2LickMuff 7y ago
Is every guy who isn't a 9/10 a dirty, smelly, ugly homeless guy? Your exaggerations are retarded; I think sluthate would suit your fancy more than TRP.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
Notice how you didn't even actually attempt to refute anything I said. An 10/10 dweeb with zero game will score more hot young pussy in a club than an ugly smelly homeless guy with top notch game. Period.
reecewagner 7y ago
Are you fucking retarded? Someone with top notch game would not allow themselves to be smelly or homeless. If they're ugly they'd accept it and slay anyways.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
Totally irrelevant to the point
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
I did; I said the average guy isn't a dirty smelly homeless guy. Why the fuck would anybody want a dirty, smelly homeless guy? That's like making a case for the fattest man on the planet and saying "See! Looks matter!".
No shit they matter at that point. What you're arguing can be altered by basic hygiene and diet - it's not to the degree of needing plastic surgery. It's a stupid point to be making.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
In order to study the effect a variable has on a system, you need to isolate that variable by setting all other variables equal to zero. A guy who has looks and nothing else will always get more hot young pussy than a guy who has game and nothing else. I don't understand how this is even remotely controversial.
Need2LickMuff 7y ago
If a guy with looks and nothing else gets 2 women whereas the guy with game and nothing else gets 1 woman, that's really not that big of a difference and says more about the guy who can give women the tingles without being attractive.
You're using polar opposites to drive a point about average men. You're like the other copecels who use shit like MS as proof of game (meaning confidence, level-headedness, and awareness) meaning nothing, forgetting they're a walking deformity.
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perd91 7y ago
If he presents himself to other people as dirty and ugly, he ain't got game at all.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
So game partially depends on looks, while looks don't depend on game? Thanks for further solidifying my point.
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
they do, you can be gifted with awesome facial genetics, but if u walk around hunchbacked, never smiling, frowning - you look ugly
grandaddychimp 7y ago
That's not game, that's looks
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
Ok then you really have no clue what game is.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
I disagree with your unfounded opinion
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
You disagree with that body language is part of game?
nilco 7y ago
Bullshit. Game > all. Watch RSD Luke, he is a fat ugly dude.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Who uses actresses in his infields.
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Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Believe what you want. I am not selling anything. RSD is. Most people would agree that desire cannot be negotiated so it seems odd people would buy into idea that attraction can be negotiated.
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Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Ok. Here is the issue. We actually know a fair bit about human mating and have studied it a fair bit. Similar to a lot of other animals, females select the mates. Woman get attracted instinctually, it is not a conscious process. This occurs within around 90 seconds and if you do not pass the cut, it is unlikely more time will alter the woman's opinion. The male's attractiveness is pretty much a static property given the time frame involved, and the woman's primary means of determining this is the male's appearance. Obviously, if a woman is attracted, you still have to figure this out, approach and escalate, and some skills can help here. But, if the woman is not attracted, the male's social skills are not particularly relevant.
grandaddychimp 7y ago
That doesn't mean anything. An 10/10 dweeb with zero game will score more hot young pussy in a club than an ugly smelly homeless guy with top notch game. Period.
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grandaddychimp 7y ago
10/10 drooling aspie with abs and a chiseled jaw with Brad Pitts face will get more hot pussy than a 0/10 fat smelly old ugly homeless guy with top notch game. Period.
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grandaddychimp 7y ago
Using extremes does prove the point because that's how you isolate the variables. A dude with all looks and nothing else will beat a dude with all game and nothing else. Looks > game
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grandaddychimp 7y ago
No shit they don't work in isolation, but in order to study a variable's effect on a system, you have to isolate it.
I don't know who will win in your scenario because it depends on the girl. It's a stupid question and didn't warrant a response. All I know is that a 10/10 hot retarded beta will get more hot pussy than a 0/10 fat ugly smelly homeless guy with top notch game. I don't even understand how this is controversial.
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
If you dont understand it, read the sidebar.
Also you could improve on your reaction style, you are pretty obnoxious in your responses. Replying out of uncontrolled emotions.
officerkondo 7y ago
Sales is 90% product, 10% technique. Your looks are the product.
"Be charming" is about as novel advice as "be attractive". Good advice but so obvious that Ray Charles could see it and he never heard of TRP.
schmolch 7y ago
You said he has a nice face. The face is 95% of your looks. He was able to be charming only because he had an attractive face. Everything depends on your face because this is what is representing your level of masculinity.
nzgs 7y ago
Charm is not more powerful than looks. That is "cope" as is fashionable to say on the internet.
aanarchist 7y ago
it's a kind of energy that exudes from people who love themselves and the world they live in. being all salty over awalt is not how you get to that level, and deriving your self esteem from your looks, your money or whatever other nonsense, is how u get stuck in a beta life. that said, all charm no substance is only something low value/intelligence/consciousness fall for. from someone red pill aware, he will not be able to get any farther with you than he normally would unless he shows some sort of value, and as it stands his only value he brings to the table is being able to bs his way around blue pill people.
TRPKid 7y ago
It goes like this. Game > Muscles > Height.
Ive gotten with girls that are 6'2", when I look back at it I laugh about how stupid it mustve looked third person with my little goblin ass getting sucked up by some big ass redhead climbing all over the bed. Like something at a circus.
ShitpostingForGold 7y ago
2 years ago I'd be reading on here that you'd always have to stay stoic, never laugh, keep frame etc etc.
Now it's all about grinning from ear to ear.
Which one is it bois.
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
I've noticed the same. I think it's a callibration issue. Don't laugh like an idiot, but grin. Don't smile at her like she's your church buddy, but give her an intentional smirk. That's my take on it.
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
I doubt that was taught here.
menial_optimist 7y ago
While your story could be true, how are you certain he was actually fucking those girls he was with? I say this because I knew a similar guy just after highschool. Everyone knew him, thought positively of him, but I know for a fact he was virgin. He was more just everyones friend, and made himself as non-threatening as possible.
ass_boy 7y ago
I know the same person. So many smoke shows around him but not one of them did he fuck.
AwakenedSovereign 7y ago
Anecdote to the rescue.
My older brother is short, overweight and not particularly attractive. He has a "fatstrong" look and below average face.
But he's smart, charismatic, machavellian, and has no problems fucking anyone over to get ahead.
He slays on a high level, with his main problem being a gigantic ego that thinks he can mindfuck girls forever into doing whatever he wants.. treating them in comically shitty ways but eventually they all snap back to reality and drop him cold. He has the alpha fuck shit up / DGAF mindset but no ability to provide even a little comfort or stable leadership. Also pretty emotional at times and very quick to anger.
casemodsalt 7y ago
Sounds like a typical outgoing/manipulative/cocky douche that dumb girls love.
uribezmenov 7y ago
To preface this, I'm a straight guy..
Have you ever heard an exert from a book about someone's eyes just eating into a person and consuming them? All that tripe, BS crap?
I was at one of those social, network with people, events. I was talking to this guy whose like 5"2' who wasn't in great shape or anything.
I'm looking in his eyes, because that's what you do when you talk to people, and realized his eyes were really.. I don't know how to describe it. They were gray and really detailed or something.
Anyway, I'd had one light beer, so I was completely sober, but something about his eyes was like looking down a well, and for a second I felt actually light headed and had to look away and steady myself. I think I almost passed out. I felt like I was spiraling a drain looking into them. My stomach flipped. I've never experienced anything like it.
Dude was just a tiny little regular guy. He was successful, but not amazingly so or anything. Nothing incredible except those eyes. I didn't realize that a person's eyes could just totally fuck with a person's head.
I could rule the world with eyes like that..
[deleted] 7y ago
i think i have eyes like that. ive been told i have 'deep' eyes. not deep set. but the person that told me this told me they felt the same way you just described (girl tho)
thing is, it can be intimidating to some people
RedPill4Lyfe0991 7y ago
So how can a person develop charm?
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
Any of his recent interviews. I recall in the one article that the game concept implies you are leading them to seduction when in fact most girls are well aware of what's going on and are playing along in spite of game playing not because of it.
Entropy-7 7y ago
Part of charm is to give compliments with no expectations.
SeekingTheWay 7y ago
exactly, this shows that you are confident in yourself so much that you don't play the "who's better" game anymore with them. might as well boost their status since you are rock solid convinced of yours
Entropy-7 7y ago
The secondary effect is to chat up the fatties and HB4s to enter the group and then go for the alpha girl.
Funny story is that I had a summer job working the info desk at college. An obvious mother-daughter team approach and I pull out two course calendars, one for each.
So mom says something like "Oh no, I'm just here for her."
I go all doe-eyed and say "Sorry, I thought you were two young ladies checking out your educational options."
Mom saw right through this (and I was none too subtle) so her eyes narrow, she cracks a smile and says "You are going places. I don't know where you are going, but you are going places."
Completely innocent, but a boat load of fun. I'm not a MILFy guy but I am a terrible flirt. It opens a lot of doors.
SeekingTheWay 7y ago
Haha, just this weekend I did the same thing at a local sport even, a girl I guess a little under 30 and I asked her about a local village disco place and she was like "Oh yeah I used to go there when I was like 15" and I was like "What? I though you are like 15 now :D". It was obvious that I was kidding but it still lighten her up and she went all "oh shut up, you" on me
LippyMinded 7y ago
This is fantasy. He is either rich or just plainly well socially connected.
FinallyRed 7y ago
You met him a long time ago? Would be interesting to pick his brain.