Not going to happen, I had a vasectomy.

This is not what you do. you tell her that you are leaving her unless she gets an abortion. if she doesn't, drop her and don't take her calls/anything. try moving to another country as well.

All this talk about fatherhood being an "amazing life experience", then the first link at the end is Planned Parenthood?!

You, good sir, are a hero, and I’m glad you took the time to compile this guide. It’s amazing how fucked we can be when it comes to childbearing and childbirth, so as a fellow man I would like to just thank you.

Step 1: Blow my god damn brains out

Do not sign any documentation and the birth certificate until you have DNA test results in your hand.

You can't get a DNA test if the mother doesn't allow it unless you sign the birth certificate in many if not most staes. It's a catch-22. You can't get a dna test without signing the birth certificate, but after signing it, the dna test doesn't matter.

this women is carrying your child and sacrificing her body to eventually deliver your baby. She will be bitchy, hormonal, irrational, sick, tired, hungry, in pain, sore, and so much more - be there for her.

What the fuck ? I'm convinced that this is a woman or a BP'r posing as RP. She's carrying her child as much as it is mine, I'm not obligated to be a slave to her, especially if the it's an "oops" child.

protip: never argue with a pregnant women

Make sure to visit as much as you can and possibly make arrangements to stay for a week to help her out - she will need it.

Again, what the fuck. Dude, stop putting women up on a pedestal. She's the mother, not you. Unless you have shared custody, you have no obligation. Even with shared, you're only obligation is to "help" when your child is at your place. You don't go to the mother's house and do her dishes and sweep because "she needs it". It's her job to take care of herself, and if she's keeping the baby at her place, it's her job to take care of the baby and it's needs. If she wants help, then she should let you keep it at your place at predetermined times, not "oh, I"m tired today and need a break, take her for just today".

You got cucked, and now you are fucked. I expect in a year or so, when she finds a boyfriend and she starts letting you see your baby a lot less, you'll come back and edit this to tell people to get the fuck out as soon as possible without even trying for the paternity test. You don't have rights to your child, you didn't have it before birth, you don't have it after birth. If she gets a boyfriend and moves to some other state to live with him, what are you gunna do? She's going to take your daughter and you'd be like "oh, well I just have to man up" like the countless times you wrote that in this post, why? Because you are acting like a little bitch.

I honestly think that you are some feminist who wrote this post in this sub because you think that this is how men should behave. Please don't provide this kind of bullshit advice to men, don't tell men to "accept that you have no rights to your child until it's born". That's not decent advice. Decent advice is, "you have no rights to the child until it's born, so if you want to get the fuck out, now's your chance. It's not yours until it's born so fucking dissappear and don't feel bad about it. Your obligations only start when you are given your rights as a father". But you didn't say that.

You went on about how you think men should be slaves to women, supporting them emotionally and blah blah blah. If she can't support herself and the child, she shouldn't be allowed to have the child. If she refuses to abort it, then you shouldn't be responsible for the train wreck that's going to be that child's life.

So basically she baby raped you. Then you willingly chose to become her bitch without even trying to push for an abortion. Men like you are why women try to trap guys in the first place. You bent over, took it up the ass from her, and didn't stand up to her at any stage. Even when she dumped you and her girlfriend was shitting on you to your face. She's such a train wreck that she broke up the child's family before it was even born. Have fun being her slave and paying child support extortion under the threat of inprisonment for 18 years!

Spoken like a true beta bux. Only people who see themselves as disposable put some bitch and her kid (and make no mistake, it will be HER kid even if it's also biologically yours) ahead of themselves. Fuck that. I am not disposable, I am essential. Everyone else is disposable unless it's my offspring I have sole custody over, and even then I don't want kids anyway. If I got some bitch pregnant, either the fetus would disappear or I would.

Sometimes there is an option to manipulate her into abortion. I knocked up my LTR when she was out of job (actually she never had a job). So I asked her if she really wants to be on my support and being housewife for many years (of course I knew her views about being independent womyn). She told no and requested me to promise that we will have kid when she will find a job. I was desperate so I made a promise I knew I won't fulfill. Back then I feel shitty about this manipulation but now I am enjoying my life without any major commitments - I dumped her 2 years later. It is sad world where men has to resort to manipulation when women can choose what to do without any consent of father. Anyway I dodged a bullet and now I feel pretty good about it.

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The most important part is to never have unprotected sex in first place, so that you don’t have to live in this nightmare of having to take care of a child, when your life has just started. I won’t even ask about your case specifically, but my advice is - even if the woman says she’s on her pills, don’t trust her. Always use a condom. You be in charge of the birth control. I’m 22 and i can’t even imagine having to raise another human being.

This women is carrying your child and sacrificing her body to eventually deliver your baby. She will be bitchy, hormonal, irrational, sick, tired, hungry, in pain, sore, and so much more

That isn't a excuse for bitchy behavior, as men we have 10x testosterone than women, do we get a hormonal excuse? No matter how mad she gets do not take a inch of abuse.

Yup you heard it. Even if you are together or not - you have no rights what your child's mother does

Thus no responsibility...

have loser friends with no goals,

This is a method use to control man, hey, leave your friends, stop masturbating and playing video games , friends with no goals are fine, I have friends because I enjoy being with them, honestly this post is go along to get along, it's all about her, and if you let her treat you like a piece of shit, you may get to see your child.

I should of stop reading as soon as I saw she will be hormonal, she doesn't get one bad comment, one line of abuse, one unwanted touch, once her voice raises at that point it's domestic violence.

All you need to do is be there for her as she gets closer to delivery. You will see your child's mother in severe pain, agony, and possibly the risk of death.

Not relevant, why are we trying to garner sympathy , we all go though shit,

This is the time your frame needs to be harder than diamonds because your child's mother is going to transform into a person you never could imagine. Her maternal instinct and hormones are full pedal to the metal starting 2-4 weeks into the first trimester and months after birth.

Stop justifying abuse, we see field report after field report of men getting abused, and yet we call them pussies, if your being abused, don't have a strong frame, get a video camera and report it, In blue pill society we justify abuse with hormones.

Honestly your frame is weak , you say it's strong because you take abuse , I got a girl pregnant she broke down, with a good frame you can talk her into abortion, a few pills took care of that. I never used a condom, but always was able to talk her into abortion,

this women is on the top of your priorities

No, she only if she earns, honestly the courts aren't that bad, they aren't that good but joint custody is very achievable, and you don't need to simp around about how great she is, and how much abuse you must take.

do not subject yourself to a circus

Don't subject yourself to a circus for any reason, even if the child is yours and she has depression, do not take abuse, you owe her nothing, unless she owes you something.

Have to have sex to get pregnant

Do not be a deadbeat father and run off like a little bitch

Nice shaming tactics there.

Also, OP you are making a kid too much of a big deal. You had a kid? Great. You shouldn't care beyond the legal ramifications. If you can, disappear.

lol dude u got fucked, sorry bro.

Why doesn't TRP recommend vasectomies? Also they're reversible aren't they in case you do want a child later?

What a shitty way to start a family.

I would evade. Many ways to do that.

Buy tickets to Mexico or hope she aborts it tbqh. Women today see kids as a paycheck and that's the simplest way to put it. You have a kid with a girl and she leaves you? You're a dead beat piece of shit to the world. Don't let her say she'll put it up for adoption, once she has it her mind will change and so will your bank account.

Step 1, get snipped.... step 2 profit

Damn. I was expecting some information on how to resist being forced into fatherhood. Instead, I basically got "lean into it".

I really need to get that fucking vasectomy.

I found myself in this situation in the not too distant past so I'll comment / add my thoughts.

My situation was that I never used condoms ever (unless I had serious doubts about the girl). Pulling out worked just fine for years. Sounds stupid, perhaps, and in the end it certainly turned out that way... but I had slept with well over 150 women without ever catching an STI or getting one pregnant. That is, until one day I misfired because I was too hungover for my dick to work properly. Subconsciously, I had even starting to even wonder if I was sterile and wondered if a child wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to me. So instead of doing the smart thing and getting plan B, I shrugged it off to the low probability that it would turn into what it did. A foolish decision as I had only known the girl 3 months.

It was quickly apparent to me that this girl and I would not work out long term. This despite the fact she had many desirable traits to those on this sub such as low n count, desire to be a good mother, desire to be a traditional wife (though, you can never truly trust a woman who will do anything to keep you around). Those qualities aren't as important to me personally. My idea of a future wife revolves around the idea of a best friend for life, and she simply does not share enough of my interests and frankly, she was much more mature than I am, I had yet to grow out of my drinking/partying despite being in my early 30's.

A lot of what you said is noble in a sense as you seem to have embraced your role in what happened to you. I do think it is admirable, but also believe the only thing worse than making a mistake by getting some woman knocked up is to then compound that mistake by marrying her out of the desire to do the right thing. While I believe everyone has an obligation to take responsibility for their mistakes, you should not sacrifice your own happiness just to "do the right thing." For me, I still do not yet know what my final role in this child life will be. It may be strictly financial, it may be being there every day. I know though that, at minimum, I will be there for the kid financially (and beyond the minimal obligation of child support).

You recommend getting a lawyer if shit hits the fan. I recommend getting a lawyer no matter what. Child support laws are notoriously one sided, and you do not want to be at the mercy of the courts. For instance, my girl was appalled that I wanted to file for child support. She tried to stop me. She told me that she would never try and do something like that, even if I left her. But when push comes to shove, it would be financially irresponsible of her to do such a thing. Second, certain states allow women to retroactively change their mind. Some states allow women several years to file for child support and then collect money retroactively. Can you afford for one day for a huge child support payment to come out of the blue that you must pay or go to jail? No, you need lawyer no matter what so you can discuss all your options. My advice is to get it out of the courts hands entirely. See a lawyer and arrange for a mediation to get an airtight agreement to keep it out of the courts and being dragged their repeatedly if your woman ever becomes vindictive. If you make the decision to be very active in your child's life, this becomes even more critical.

I heartily echo the paternity test, and this is the first advice every single lawyer will give you.

I also heartily echo saving money immediately. If you decide to ghost completely, you will still need to adapt at minimum to a life of having about 20% of your paycheck going to child support so may as well start early.

One of the most important things once you know the girl is pregnant is to completely focus on the child's well being. If the girl is pregnant and committed to having the child, your #1 priority is to protect the health of the future infant. The only thing worse than having an unwanted child is an unwanted child with medical problems. The financial drain alone is enough to be a source of serious conflict and resentment. That means you do what you can to keep your woman from smoking, drinking, drugs, avoidance of certain foods, ensuring she goes to all of her pre-partum check-ups and identifying any other high risk behaviors that may adversely effect the infant. The infants health is your #1 priority.

As far as growing up, as I briefly mentioned earlier: while you must grow up to a certain degree, you cannot sacrifice your own happiness. We are all on this earth but a brief time and while the noble thing to do may seem to be the best parent you can be, you cannot sacrifice all your dreams and goals in the process or you will be miserable. You absolutely need to take responsibility for your actions, but what that amounts to may vary from person to person. At a minimum it should be meeting financial obligations. You think the child will resent you if you aren't there? I know for a fact that usually isn't the case. Every person I have met who never knew their father, has actively sought them out when they get older. The majority of those fathers never replied. But, the point remains that if you want, their will come an age where your child will come to find you and if you want, you can work to establish a relationship then. It may even be easier with the child no longer entirely dependent on the mother. The major risk you take in this scenario is that your child will have grown up without your influence through many formative years, and you may not like what you find. But this is a complicated situation, and you must weigh all risks carefully.

The main point I'm making is that there are always options. You chose the option of "doing the right thing" and more power to you for that. But one should always consider every option available before coming to a decision.

Frankly, I think you are fortunate that your girl dumped you. You received complete freedom at that moment to play as active a role - or absent - in the child's life at that moment as you wanted. It was her decision and it would be difficult for her to ever resent you for it, allowing true co-existence.

One final thought. Never in my life have I been depressed, but during this time I had a serious case of buyers remorse. I had many flashbacks to girls I had carelessly thrown aside in the past and how, on reflection, perhaps I shouldn't have. A lot of the things I had taken for granted before were taken away from me at that moment because there is now a finality to everything. While it didn't interfere with my daily functions too much, I would be lying if I said it didn't have any impact at all on my sleep habits and ability to concentrate.

In summary:

1) Don't be overly drawn to "doing what is right." Like most things red pill, you need to balance your responsibility with the pursuit of your own happiness. 2) Get a lawyer, you need to consider and discuss every possible option. You need to know all aspects of child support law in your state and what your rights will be as a father because you need to protect yourself and your child 3) DNA test certainly, this is a no brainer 4) Commit to the future infants health, an infant with health issues will not only become a financial nightmare, but likely put too great a stress on an already fragile relationship and break it entirely

Good luck to all out there, hopefully none of you ever find yourself in this situation.

She needs your masculine frame & support to make her feel safe and loved as she progresses along in pregnancy. You have no idea how much your child can be impacted inside the womb with neglect, stress, and not giving a shit. Once you start feeling your baby kicking and see it on ultrasound it will make you realize how much you need to be there.

Man that made me cry. Thanks for your insightful post.

Cheers!

Whenever I hear about stories like this, I am thankful I live in Canada. You may think the desire to keep a baby is genetic, but having lived in the US and Canada for equal parts of my life, it's definitely cultural.

Religion is much less important to Canadians. Abortion is not only free and easy to access, but seen as being completely stigma-free and even desirable. Consciously childfree attitudes pervade here, and most girls in their 20s would not even consider keeping an unplanned pregnancy.

There is also no real legal limit as to when you can get an abortion in Canada, so if you fail to convince her at 4 weeks, you might convince her at 20 weeks during an emotional downswing.

If you spend money on things non-essential to you, your child, or your child's mother, STOP NOW. Your child's mother is counting on you to support her not only emotionally but financially and morally. Start putting away money (20-30% of each paycheck) now into a savings account ONLY to be used for your child.

WTF is this shit? This is terrible advice. To anyone reading this, if you find yourself in this situation, here is a much better guide by Thotwrecker that can get you out of it completely:

http://archive.li/U32ZS

Man I'm pretty sure I got lucky with something. This girl straight up asks me "Do you like my breasts" trying to get me interested. Few months later she's pregnant(visibly)... was wondering what if I started to date her then that child that I didn't create could have been my problem hmm ehh probably not the case.

GET A PATERNITY TEST IF YOU HAVE THE SLIGHTEST DOUBT

FTFY.

GET A PATERNITY TEST IF YOU HAVE THE SLIGHTEST DOUBT

Wrong! ALWAYS get a paternity test.

I respect OP's points and I admire him, I even agree with being a good father but I have a personal threshold. If she leaves me while pregnant I would simply be a deadbeat father, society is too rigged and it is too much for me to handle.

Men are expected to perform, women aren't expected to be good mothers, not even decent people! And the best answer to that is fuck you, you're on your own or... If you need support, don't break up and laugh about me along with your bitch friends. Just pick up one.

Y O.Y.O

You're On Your Own!

Bye Felicia!

Wrap up like your life depends on it, no matter how attractive

u should talk to an attorney even if shit doesn't hit the fan

I say do not pre-birth provision for a slut that you randomly knock up. The chances of being cucked are likely greater than the possibility of a birth defect if you don't "man up" for the pregnant thot.

I have to ask and I want a direct yes/no answer, because people always dodge.

When you found out she was pregnant, you two did unsafe sex. Did you always pull out? What I’m asking is - is she pregnant because you were sometimes shooting it inside? Or was it straight random and you have 0 idea how it happened.

Like as a guy, you know when you shoot. Was it one shot inside, then a pull out?

I can agree with this but I married the mom and while we didn’t work out, I made sure she wasn’t the crazy crazy type of woman first. My daughter is as beautiful as her mom, I make hella bank and do pretty well for myself I feel. Got lucky I suppose. Don’t stick your dick in crazy, and definitely only procreate with a truly worthwhile and respectable woman.

I loved my wife and thank god she didn’t want anything from the divorce other than to be happy and not tied down anymore. I was okay with that. I pay less in child support than I did funding my stay at home wife and baby. I would have preferred to have a family, but this isn’t a bad second life I have.

Wow you're only 21? Props to you man. Did you ever discuss an abortion with your ex?

Was fucking a girl in HS without condoms because she was on the pill. A week after I broke up with her she called up and said she was pregnant.(she was lying). Never been so scared in my life but she did me a big favor with that scare. Always wrap it up every single time.

I can relate to everything said here.

I got my ex (at the time) pregnant while my life wasn't really on tracks. I was always afraid to become a father given my past history, but I changed so much since my baby was on the way...

• I got a full time (shitty) job
• It let me join a program to rent a much better place
• I got my driving licence, mind you it cost around 1500€ - 1800$ to just be able to take the test...
• I looked for and joined a coding boot camp that went extremely well
• I got a full time job as a web dev with double the salary

I did so much my long time friends don't recognize me.

And the weird part is I'm really happy when I'm with my daughter. I saw a post about how people either become shitty people like their parents or the exact opposite. I proudly think I'm the latter.

It's always about finding your mission, and for some, it is to become a father and raise good kids.

Of course, I had my 'crazy wife wanting to tear appart the family' moments, but it's all good now. I even talked to a lawyer, it's funny to see it mentionned here.

Anyway, great post ! Thanks for the share and good luck.

Thank you so much for writing this out, I do appreciate it. For those smashing pussies out there, please wrap your shit up, or make your PLATES/FWBs/ONSs take the pills under your supervision. In my opinions, having kids with someone you hate is the worst experience in your life, don't fuck your life up, fellas.

It is a mix a joy, fear, despair, happiness

How could you even be happy to be a dad at 21? Basically lost a lot of your childhood, and your college years and future life are affected negatively.

cancel insurance policies. attempt to liquidate assets. any assets I fail to liquidate must be destroyed ASAP. quit job. covert all digital savings accounts/investments/assets to hard cash. hide cash. wait it out doing basic labor in the home depot parking lot under the table, being homeless. she is getting nothing, period.

Thanks for the advice man, this is a good post. But I gotta ask: who didn't you just get an abortion? That would make your life a lot easier.

Luckily my child's mother wasn't vindictive despite an older fella coming in the picture as step father 4 weeks before she popped.

Her "boyfriend" ended up leaving her right before birth and has not shown up since.

This guy knows whats up. He got some risk free unprotected sex and then bounced.

There was very sound advice some months ago here on TRP regarding her shitfest when you want a DNA test performed. The bottom line, I still think it is so very elegant, it layed so straight before me as a lawyer, tell her the official test is necessary for CS and her becoming part your extended family in case of your death. Which is even somewhat true so not legally objectionable due to duress. Play her provisining programming against her.

Get a paternity test if you have absolutely no doing it's your kid

Beautiful story, and thanks for sharing. Everyone upvote this please!

KNOW WHO YOU ARE FUCKING! "did not find out she wanted to get pregnant until her first OB appointment". Yeah, really? That's the mark of someone who fucks, but doesn't talk real good.

I'm so grateful to have stumbled upon this post. Thanks a ton bro.

Anyone saying "hope she gets an abortion" failed to notice that the kid was already born in January.

Also, my husband watched me get cut open for our daughter last week and thought I was dying when they were elbow-deep inside me even though I was talking to the anesthetist ???????????? he goes "I had no idea the placenta was so huge" lol

Fuck. This just made me recall when I was in an LTR and she had a 'heavy period' and I realized she had been pregnant for a month or so...

Only after reading through some of the comments here do I realize how fucking lucky I was and the sheer magnitude of how that could have otherwise affected my life... Christ...

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I waited it out until after he was born and took custody.

I wrote down everything she ever did wrong that I could hold against her (not because she was a bad person but bc I needed full control and authority to take care of this child if he was going to be protected.)

Courts don't defer to the mother for custody as much as they used to in the past.

I started having issues when my son would go to her house on the weekends with her being aggressive and he would pee on himself in public with her.

She wasn't paying child support and I told her I didn't want anything from her but to leave him alone until he was older. It was causing a lot of issues for him.

I never spoke a bad word about his mother. I told him good stories about her and her family and what I knew about their ethnic background. I knew one day he'd be old enough and trained in critical thought to decide for himself why I acted in the way I did.

If you want to do this thing right don't argue, don't give the mother any reason to worry or be concerned. Be smart and patient. When the time comes you swoop in with a great legal strategy and fortify your parental rights.

We have too many absentee fathers. Be a man and take care of your kids, especially young boys who are in the worst time of human history to be born male.

I didn't say to mistreat, impugn, or lie but to forcefully and strategically protect what is yours.

A cautionary tale to the casual reader. Three rules to live by:

1. CONDOMS
2. CONDOMS
3. CONDOMS

Don’t stick your dick into anywhere without a condom. Further, do not throw your used condoms in the bathroom trash-take your used condoms out with you. Do not trust women when they say they cannot get pregnant. Do no trust women to protect your best interest. Women have shown time and time again to do whatever the hell they want so protect yourself. Protect yourself from STD’s and protect yourself from having babies with strangers and having to pay child support for 18 years and a lifetime of being connected through your child. It ain’t worth it.

My ex and i had a shit fight which got us both locked up and with stay away orders from court. During that time she found out she was pregnant. I was happy knowing that previous to said fight, i had blown a load in her. Thats my baby. During one of the doctor visits, the doc said she was pregnant for some time which didnt add up to the day i came inside her. I was furious, and blinded by my fury, i denied the baby. I took back what i said right away but the damage was done. She was destroyed and exercised the stay away orders given by court. (We kept communicating after the order was set cause we didnt give a fuck and mainly because of she found out she was pregnant). I barely got to see her during the 9 months. Only a handful of times after begging to see her. I wanted to be there with her to help her but the pain of me denying was strong and fresh. She was hesitant and her family was totally against me being around. All of this led me down a spiral of bullshitting around, getting fucked up more than usual. I was destroyed but that mix up of timing justified my abscence in my head. I wanted to be there vut i didnt know if i was being there for MY baby. I was confused. Just fucked up in the head. The baby was born. I wasnt there for that. I wasnt allowed anywhere near her family home. Nobody wants me around? Fuck it then. Continued down that shit spiral. I didnt bother w a paternity test until later on when i came to senses and looked for her again. I finally met the baby at 4 months. I started taking care of what i needed to take care of for the paternity. But i continued to fuck around. I didnt save any money. I kept getting high. I was there but not really. She confessed she fucked around w someone while she was pregnant and she continued aftr she gave birth. During the time i wasnt there. That shit fu ked it all up for me. I had this splinter i couldnt get rid of. I tried to stick it out justifying her actions w my lack of responsibility. But that didnt work. Its been a shit storm ever since. We found out i was the father. I only got to hold my daughter 5 times during all that time. She confessed she cheated on me because of my lack of responsibilty. That was the bottom line for me. I couldnt bear that anymore. Im currently in custody/visitation battle w her. I love my daughter and i loved her too. But i can only be there for my daughter now. As much as i want the whole good life of having father mother together for baby, i cant let go of the shit she did. I hope this opens eyes to other guys here in some sort of same situation. I let my emotions get rhe best of me and lacked where i needed to work on the most. Dont be me. Be there thru it all. Thanks for reading.

Over winter break I didn't wrap and it was the worst experience of my life for about a month and a half. It was the beginning of a relationship as well as the end, and it definitely pushed me into redpill full effect. She faked a pregnancy while I was in another state for a family trip and I was a wreck. When I got home and thought everything out I saw she was lying and called bullshit. She freaked out on me and I left. WRAP IT UP

I got my ex pregnant about a year back. Was before I discovered TRP and she was on birth control so I was raw dogging literally every time.

When we started having sex without a condom we talked about this scenario and she said she would have an abortion at this stage in her life.

Luckily about 3 weeks after she told me she was pregnant she ended up getting one. Was the most stressful period of my life.

But never ever ever ever ever pressure her into having an abortion. That is giving her an insane amount of ammunition to use against you in the community, in court, and with your future child if she ends up having it.

I don't feel super qualified to give advice since my situation didn't become ideal til much later in life but let me give my story in brief.

In the 90s when the net was young I met an older more established girl (I was underage) and a couple years later when I was 19 she had my baby. Our relationship was rocky to start but her mother was obsessed having not raised her own daughter well with this "second chance " and so I was pushed out. Now being grown my daughter knows why I wasn't always present and isn't mad, I always managed to make sure she knew who her father was. I learned a big lesson from all this about consequences and about human nature.

Plenty of girls later I met one I felt strongly enough about to marry and after a few years of marriage (once bitten twice shy, guys) we had two children in two years.

Kids are tough and kids are adaptable but seriously not that I'm going to be the one to tell anyone for the first time but the entire experience of having kids with a life partner and with some chick with her own shit going on is night and day and I became a full on dad, all the dad instincts fell into place.

None of us are going to keep it in our pants clearly we are animals and we go insane if we can't unload that's just the nature of the highly stimulating world and society we are in..... but don't let kids be a bad stigma.

If men knew, all men, what fathers who have kids living with them knew, they would be hunting down girls with that goal the way women do...... ok we do but it's all instinct and looking for wide hips and nice mammary glands, amirite?

This should be taught in high school. Great post.

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