We've all heard of the great Jordan Peterson by now but and after his incredible interview with Cathy Newman he's shot into the mainstream. JBP is mostly Red Pilled as seen on this subreddit a few times before. As he is going against the mainstream feminist, left-leaning narrative he evidently has experienced a lot of backlash. Here's one of the many reasons why.
I recently discovered an audio snippet of Peterson speaking on feminism and Islam in which he describes the thought that "Men test ideas, women test men" ie. shit testing. He then goes on to describe how he found it funny when Fifty Shades of Grey was released and how that even in this heavily feminized world, "The fastest selling novel the world had ever seen was S&M domination." It goes without saying that the reason why it was so popular is the attraction to sexual dominance in women. They might not say they do, but secretly almost all of them want to be dominated.
He then goes on to theorize that perhaps the reason feminists are not protesting societies like Saudi Arabia with actual oppression of women is their longing for male dominance that they've "chased out of the west."
It's obvious what he's describing here. The societal shit test that feminism is. It's basic stuff really that we've seen over and over. Here's how regular shit test goes:
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Woman is attracted to dominance and alpha traits
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Woman shit tests man to see which one's won't back down, fulfilling her unconscious attraction to dominance
- If a man fails a shit test the woman either keeps shit testing while pushing the boundaries to see what she can get away with or if there's no other incentives to continue being involved with a man (Money, status etc.), she will drop him.
If you've ever seen or been apart of an unhappy couple with a Beta, male half then you've probably noticed this last point. The shit tests will keep getting bigger and bigger. She's unconsciously hoping for a pass but if the guy keeps failing she has to increase the scope. This process goes on and on.
This part of female psychology is why feminism is what it is today where it's grown into a movement with a total disregard for logic or facts and which respects only (female) feelings.
"You're sexist if you don't think there's a wage gap"
"The patriarchy is what's keeping women out of stem and keeping up glass ceilings."
The list goes on. There's a reason why those male feminists are always "nice guys" and creeps. No self respecting man can call themselves a feminist let alone be apart of the movement but it's those male feminists and betas alike that have allowed this to go on. They have failed the shit tests and feminism as a movement has kept testing harder and harder to see what it can get away with, each claim being more outrageous than the last. Feminists can shit test the betas and use them to their advantage. They get whiteknighted by them. They get given jobs they aren't the best candidate for. They get stem scholarships just for being female. All the while you can bet your bottom dollar that the guy they want to actually fuck didn't fail the shit tests. He passed them because it's that desire for male dominance which is the very foundation of female attraction.
slowfjh 7y ago
I am so late to this debate but I just wanted to thank you for postimg that link to the Jordan Peterson interview. I am new to TRP but I feel like the scales have fallen from my eyes. He was so articulate, lucid, rational, calm and clear. Thank you again for introducing me to him
LuckyCriminal98 7y ago
I used to be a very very whiteknighted beta bluepilled boy since little boy until 18 that I started the gym. Some months later discovered Game and RealSocialDynamics. With the gym my confidence grew a lot but with RSD I learned how females think and react.
Well so until 18 that I left highschool to go to college there was this feminist girl at my class I got along well (friendzoned because BluePilled boy and pedestalized her). 3 days ago I met some of her friends and she came too.
After learning how females behave and reading TheRedPill I can tell you that this feminist girls act different with BluePilled boys and Alphas. She acted different with me now that I'm more RedPilled, threw some shit test about faminism and passed them, then when I told her to shut up because something I didnt agree with her about the gym and diets, she shut up and let me talk. Before she would have raised the voice and not let me talk, now in stead she shut up and let me dominate. Might have not explained it well but in the field I could notice the change.
SKRedPill 7y ago
There's a variation of the shit test called the newspaper / social media shit test.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/dear-future-husband-please-dont-judge-me-for-these-7-things/my-past-relationships/photostory/61849207.cms
Hamster spinning at 25 mph here. Betaization process activated.
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UnwittingJerk 7y ago
I don't think Jordan embraces the TRP philosophy to the core at all. Sure there are similarities, but...
He lectures about the importance of alpha traits and his relationship tips are very much like the ones here, but, as a matter of fact, in some of his interviews and podcasts, he advocates for men to marry well and have kids, and repeatedly says men need these "responsibilities" to be "fulfilled" in life.
He married his sweetheart gf.
man192837465 7y ago
Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada and biggest male feminist in the country. Such an embarrassment to the men of this country. Outrageous misuse of governmental rules to pile on men. Latest travesty is trying to mandate board of directors diversity. Companies that men have worked to build into success stories. Even worse, this smiling (wo)man likely to get re-elected.
reluctantly_red 7y ago
Like his father, junior Trudeau is far more Alpha than he first appears. He's an excellent politician who knows how to get progressives and liberals to vote for him while remaining firmly tied to Canadian business elites. This drives Canada's labour party (the NDP) nuts.
GrumblingRose 7y ago
This is actually the first time I've heard of Jordan Peterson, and after watching that interview with Cathy I am grateful I was given the opportunity to find out about him. I'll be grabbing his book when I can and am excited to watch more of his youtube lectures.
CptFizz 7y ago
Women were a mistake. Artificial wombs and sexbots can't come soon enough.
Gervant_of_Lyria 7y ago
The Red Pill is not a cult, not a religion, not a fellowship or a team you root for, it is a toolbox, that tries to accurately explain the nature and patterns of the bipedal bald ape's sexual behavior. What you do with those tools is strictly your business.
Do you worship your axe, or drill? Don't think so.
And Jordan Peterson is not your friend just because many of the things he says are correct and he's against social justice. He almost certaintly has an agenda, and a religious one in his case.
wendysNO1wcheese 7y ago
If you think his agenda is religion, then his stuff is going way over your head.
Fyrjefe 7y ago
Amen to the first part. So often I see people use red pill and blue pill in terms of sportsball teams. Examine everything. Test everything. Set your eyes on your path.
GoCleanYourRoom 7y ago
what exactly do you think is his religious agenda ?
Top_Brazzler 7y ago
This I'm curious about as well. Not all Christians care about making others go to Heaven.
AussiecuntTRP 7y ago
The "cult hero" thing was just tongue in cheek. His critics at least the ones I've seen at least on reddit constantly point out his supposedly "cult-like following".
Gervant_of_Lyria 7y ago
Ah, ok got it mate. Tbf, his fans actually do resemble a cult-like worshippers of everything he says.
AussiecuntTRP 7y ago
Do they really? Can't say I have seen it. Yeah he gets spammed a lot on reddit but he's the flavour of the month so to speak. I go to his subreddit a lot and can't really see anyone sucking his dick too much. Yeah they agree with most of what he says but that is reddit for you.
Metalageddon 7y ago
That's just the most vocal ones.
Anyone hyped on dogma (any dogma) will appear the same and be the most vocal.
Rian_Stone 7y ago
Once Hitchens died, they needed a replacement
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Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat 7y ago
...I would add; do not fall into the false notion that "dominance" will keep a woman around these days. I was called a "bully" by my ex-wife, that was always gushing wet for me (and still is) because I am a solid dominant man by nature. Not an asshole, just strong and in control. The hive mind is just too far reaching in their inner circles, media, legal system, et al.
Certainly continue to be dominant, but hold no delusions that it means anything more than getting ahead in your career and regular pussy in the present times.
TLDR: Dominance will not keep a marriage together anymore.
AussiecuntTRP 7y ago
Marriage either requires complete and utter dominance and fear mongering or some sort of compromise on the man's part to work. Think of the middle east. The man has total control over the woman and if she leaves the man she is stoned to death for adultery. Are these marriages successful? Depends on how you define success but they certainly last "till death do us part".
This type of dominance is obviously unattainable in modern society and I am not condoning it either. So to make your marriage last you must compromise to some degree. That means leaving yourself open for betrayal. The marriage might last or it might not. You might find out your kid isn't actually yours or that she is divorcing you for someone who has more money.
In that sense, marriage is incompatible with TRP in my opinion. It is a remnant from an ancient time when women were allowed no free will. I think you will see it die out in the distant future. Until then, don't get married. Unless you really want kids then you just have to take the risk.
Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat 7y ago
I agree....total acceptance of the Red Pill (aka reality) means that marriage is not a realistic approach to life in the modern era. We know the facts and statistics...to ignore them is no longer an excuse.
"...but, she's not like other women!" = "...I cannot believe she did this to me!"
Starfuckingman 7y ago
I am from the middle east and there is no such thing, barely any countries follow the strict religious rules of Islam, its only saudi arabia and they're pretty retarded doing it (misinterpreting religious texts in the most abhorring way). Most, if not all the other arab/middle east countries are affected by the globalization effect and hope to get westernized as much as they could, betas and geeks every fucking where, especially from the middle up to the high class. Women rebelling on the traditional and religious ways, wearing hijab doesn't mean shit. Though, our divorce rules doesn't fuck us up like you do but they do give women some benefits to a certain level but its frowned up. However, the well educated females are always looking to dominate and get rid of the tradtional arab dominant man by all means. Which is most if not all the young females now. We're having it hard too and political correctness is increasing in the educated class by the second. Even the retarded saudi arabia (the most arab country that's made fun of among arabs) are slowly loosing up the rules on women, first they never allowed them to drive or work in certain jobs now that's all changing. Just hoping to clarify things a little up. Obviously they don't know the shit they're getting themselves into.
AshyLarry27 7y ago
While I am all for equality among the sexes, it's almost horrifying to know that feminism and PC culture has gotten so big, even such a region that has held Sharia Law in such high regard is even crumbling to these movements. The middle east is hands down one of the first places people think of when it comes to gender inequality.
jtedd92 7y ago
Always remember: equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
Starfuckingman 7y ago
True but its mostly for the low smv women/men. They got nothing better do and getting a family through religion is their best bet so they go along with it. But the high/middle SMV males and females, completely transformed. Always looking for independent working english-speaking women. And you can guess their basic package easily. They love the show Friends, some even Sex and the city and so on and so on. We don't have pay gab too (at most of places). At many times, female workers are preferred over male workers and gets paid more sometimes cause its a kind of a sexually deprived society, so the female presence is even more valuable. (Most of us don't get laid until they get married kind of thing, even a lot of non-religious men/women don't go full penetration without marriage cause they're just way too used to it. Non virgins are not wanted most of the time. Double standards I'd say but I like it that way personally)
MazMazda3 7y ago
I know exactly what you're talking about. Visiting back to my home country, I could see the feminist and PC culture creeping in.
LittleLegionaire 7y ago
Jordan Peterson is a RP messiah for millennial and the youth of today - he's helped me find meaning and some peace in life, and is sadly almost a second father to me because my own hasn't really taught me anything this valuable (yet somehow developed these values on his own growing up in a poverty stricken single mother household, sadly his little brother floundered but hey that's life).
Anyway, he is the closest you are going to get to RP truths in the mainstream, I think. I keep seeing people suggesting Rollo go on the JRE except I can't imagine Joe a; letting it happen b; let anyone say anything that so boldly contradicts his liberal BP programming. He can tolerate JP because he speaks mostly universal truths that Joe clearly understands and has found himself, but he'll let BP fucker's on all the time and let them speak their bullshit as well (unless you are Steven Crowder and attack his weed). I mean, Joe isn't the most super BP person because he had a wild youth but he would jump out of his seat when he hears Rollo say "All women wanna suck the most alpha dick at all times, AWALT, gotta spin plates bro..." which isn't to say that would be his approach, but he'd challenge those viewpoints with the classic "That's outrageous... how dare you insult m'lady!" or some similar retort.
truedemocracy3 7y ago
Joe Rogan is the definition of red pilled but not unplugged man.
Atuli 7y ago
I think you are underestimating rollos ability to present his ideas in a way that’s widely digestible to joes audience.
LittleLegionaire 7y ago
I'd hope so if he ever made it on.
AussiecuntTRP 7y ago
You and me both brother. For some reason there's a bit of an anti-jerk about JBP. Saying he's a bad philosopher and he's just exploiting young men. Yeah he's not the second coming of Jesus, not everything he says is correct and nor do I agree with everything but he's providing a much needed message not just to young men but young people in general. All he's saying is to take responsibility for you own life. You could complain about not having women. You could complain about not having money. Or you could do something about it. For me I already learned this when discovering this subreddit. To me, RP is mainly about taking responsibility. That's the main thing that I take from it. Once you do that then the rest of life will fall into place given enough hard work. Women, money etc. It's just strange to me that people would be against the message that he's teaching. I guess they are confronted and don't want to take responsibility themselves.
I think Joe Rogan might be a bit more RP than you're describing. I'm pretty sure he once said this about the UFC fighter Luke Rockhold. "The only reason any guy has gotten laid ever is because Luke Rockhold wasn't in the room." He's obviously exaggerating for comedic effect but the underlying sentiment is still there.
He's quite liberal in his thinking but he takes care of himself and his body, has loads of money and basically does whatever the fuck he wants. He built a god damn archery shooting range in his new studio for fuck sake lol. Yeah, he probably isn't chasing down women but he's got kids. He's got a incredibly successful podcast where he can talk to amazing guests for hours. He's got a pretty great life at least that's what it seems like on paper. If he let on a proper RP guy on the podcast he probably wouldn't agree with them but he would let them speak for sure.
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thisguyPlaysPoE 7y ago
That's incorrect, he actually talks about that in many of his lectures. You seem to have mised them, or are doing a Kathy Newman and are trying to make him look bad.
Stop it.
Do more research on the topic before you spout bullshit (and no i'm not going to fucking do it for you) gtfo.
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I dont think Joe is BP with feminism. He has to be careful because his ‘channel’ gets millions of impressions from males in their 20’s. If cones out as right wing it could sink him. Thats the sick world we live in.
root_pulp 7y ago
I tend to agree with you. There’s a lot of flashes of real solid RP moments that break through sometimes with Rogan.
Between that, some of the shit he says during his stand up routines and the fact that he has had many moments with guests where he tells them they are going to talk about something “off air”. I say Rogan is pretty solidly RP but is in a position where he has to obfuscate the truth for the sake of his career.
mattizie 7y ago
And that's one of the reasons why he makes over a million bucks a year.
thetotalpackage7 7y ago
Jordan Peterson makes millions per year? Genuinely asking. I know he has a new book out and a cult following, but as far as I can tell he burst on the scene about a year and half ago and was only making college professor money...which I assume in Canada is about $80k?
mattizie 7y ago
Add it all together:
College money = 80k
Patreon money = ~50k/month(average estimate over 1 year) * 12 months = 600k,
Book sales = ?
Online personality quiz thing = ?
Speaking/appearance/interview income = ?
Is also a clinical psychologist, so how much do his patients/clients pay him?
My guess is that as of now, he makes a million a year.
Komandirskie 7y ago
His patreon alone makes 80k a month. Throw on book sales and the salary of a professor, which could be over 100k a year due to how long he has been teaching, and he easily could make over a million. He also sells 4 different self help programs, which you can get for free if you time it right, but otherwise the whole package deal for the programs can be around $100. He also released a personality test that costs $10.
JP is an entrepreneur. On the JRE he said he found a way to monetize SJW. He said something along the lines of "if the SJW let me speak people donate to my patreon. If the SJW protest, I get even more money for my patreon". He made a biblical lecture on YouTube that I'm pretty sure is monetized.
It's just crazy to think about how much money there is in telling men, especially young men, to better yourself. It really is telling of our current society.
AussiecuntTRP 7y ago
He is an entrepreneur. That much is obvious. That doesn't make him wrong though and it certainly doesn't make him an ineffective source of wisdom and self help. The entrepreneur in him has figured out that the best way to make money is to help people effectively. That is why his followers donate so much to his patreon. He has genuinely helped them and they want to show their support. He isn't doing some jedi mind tricks to force them to donate. They do it on their own accord.
thetotalpackage7 7y ago
Wow...patreon at $80k per month?? Awesome. Is the $ people are earning from Patreon actually public domain?
Komandirskie 7y ago
Some patreons show how much they make. I believe Jordan Peterson has his hidden starting a couple months ago. A lot of larger patreons hide theirs. When you show how much you earn it discourages new people from donating. At least that's my take.
thisguyPlaysPoE 7y ago
it looks like thetotalpackge is fishing for something. I wonder what it is? he surely isn't contributing to the thread's discussion.
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BurnoutRS 7y ago
The word is solace, not soulice. Maybe thats why my soul has been so itchy lately.
TDCRedPill 7y ago
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I enjoy reading Peterson but its absolutley true he is heavily influenced by Jung and those who read his provocative and inteligent ideas think its his own creation
SultanPepe 7y ago
JBP repeatedly says that he draws lots of ideas from Jung and is entirely transparent about it. But good ideas are good ideas. Peterson understands them and can contextualise them so that those ideas can be relayed to curious minds.
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SultanPepe 7y ago
What on earth are you talking about? I like your perspective a lot of the time, but honestly you are rambling incoherently today.
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Young men require ideological guidance. Nihilism is not an acceptable substitute. Legions of the dispossessed breed violent reactions in a polity. JP is better than the alternative.
This enjoy the decline sentiment is hogwash. Either nut up and take a stand or go carve out a feudal kingdom in greener pastures. Of which, there are many where race can be leveraged.
Skin color as identity is shallow. Which are the pale skinned conquerors these young bucks should worship? Masculinity is built on hardship. Our fathers failed. The logic in seeking a surrogate man as god/father is obvious and inevitable.
It absolutely delights me you are monetizing the failure of fathers. We are all at the bottom of a trickle down bukkake orgy.
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Are you perhaps one of the subhuman horde in the west?
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Mr.KGB cum prince of Russia is a sociopath. It’s no wonder you like him.
Now, to say America has turned into a bunch of pussy dudes letting their women dictate policy, or we let narcissistic reactionary TV peronsalities have acces to nukes, yeah, Putin might look good.
A cohesive identity is built on manifest destiny. Funny how that worked out for the Germans.
Chaddeus_Rex 7y ago
Thats the most BP comment ive read on here.
Putin is a sociopath? So what? Stop being a cuck.
Solon64 7y ago
Of course he's a sociopath. He's a sociopath who has carved out an empire from the remains of Stalin's empire. He has wealth, fame, and an enormous amount of power, which i guarantee he wouldn't have if he wasn't willing to get his hands dirty from time to time. Obama could NEVER have managed what Putin has accomplished.
Trying to disparage him by calling him buzzwords like "sociopath" smacks of jealousy.
Go build and manage an empire like his with wishy washy "good feels", then come back and tell us how it went for you. My guess is a bullet to the head while you sleep, but hey, could be wrong.
Chaddeus_Rex 7y ago
We are in agreement. I wasnt the one who was trying to disparage Putin with feminist buzzwords like "sociopath". I was responding to the cuck who called him a sociopath.
Also, calling men who have managed to sup with the mighty "sociopaths" is the most bluepill thing one can say - it is an attempt to demonize male ambition and achievement. To sup with the mighty, one must climb the path of daggers. It is very dangerous. Lesser men - men incapable of controlling their emotions, that have no been taught restraint, that have not learned to be stress resistant will be killed. It is not sociopathic to reach such heights (especially in Russia where politics are inherently more dangerous than in America), it is masculine for it requires a fine military and creative mind, exquisite self control and is frought with danger - qualities that are valued in every man and should be developed in ever man.
Also in many ways Putins abilities are similar to the Roman Emperors of old.
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Homogeneity has power. Diversity certainly weakens. I don’t argue with the actual fascists interpretation. The better question is do we want a boot stomping on our faces for the rest of time? American exceptionalism aka monopolistic capitalism and feminism has certainly lead to a sharp decline in masculine identity. Any of these horseshit arguments only leads to enjoy the decline and monetize the decline and arbitrage your skin color somewhere else. You’re selling tee-shirts and personal training. At least you made the television.
We seek meaning from meaninglessness. It’s better than dying in a foxhole or getting shot in a desert. Though an office job is really the frame of Western men.
What is the mother fucking vision here? All I see is whiney babies without direction. Peterson and you are making statements. Whether you care to admit it or exercising your inner Putin, these nerdlings are listening to you.
I see you and Peterson as the same. You lift more. He has a larger audience and “academic” cred. You both should co-host a podcast. I’ll be your first paid subscriber.
OvermanInTheMaking99 7y ago
Can you give some more examples of guys being suckered into the occult? What's the effect of Peterson's Mysticism on those lost boys? Because the way you phrased it implies something hideous.
I get what you mean about masculinity. JBP settles for an, at best, Bourgeois conception of masculinity, rather than promoting an Ascetic or Warrior ideal. Sign of the times.
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OvermanInTheMaking99 7y ago
And the Traditional way of dealing with the shadow is through conquest and victory, correct? Because that embodies the virtues of the transcendent masculine - bringing light (order) to (chaotic) darkness. JBP talks a lot about transcendence, especially in regards to truth, he's gone deep into the symbolism of the Eye of Horus for example. Plus his talks about the shadow centre around assimilating it into your conscious being, rather than letting it rule your sub conscious. So, his message is more to confront your shadow - perhaps even conquer it.
I don't think it's accurate to label him as someone who's palming off Occultism as psychology, to the detriment of any religious beliefs.
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OvermanInTheMaking99 7y ago
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BurnDownTheMission68 7y ago
You are wildly overstating Jung’s occultism
He was a fascinating and profound thinker and studying him or JP does not constitute getting into the occult in any way
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BurnDownTheMission68 7y ago
I read it and now I’m getting back to you
Didn’t mention anything about drinkin’ goats blood or nothin’
He was a mystic and an early pyschonaut—what’s wrong with that?
As Steve Winwood once sang:
Please don’t be sad if it was a straight mind you had
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BurnDownTheMission68 7y ago
I have a pet poltergoose, so mysticism is something I find fascinating
Not everything can be explained or understood by science or reason
I emplore you to take Neil Peart’s advice and get on with the fascination
Come on in, the water is fine
Solon64 7y ago
Of course everything can be explained by science and reason. The parting of the red sea has been determined to have likely been caused by an earthquake that split the earths crust, causing the ocean to fall into the abyss. Rather fortuitous timing by Moses and his people but, hey, sometimes you catch a break.
The sun isn't dragged across the sky by Apollo's chariot, the earth rotates to make it appear so to us simple apes here on this rock.
Anything mysterious that still exists just hasn't found the science to explain it yet. Your "poltergoose" (what in the nine hells is that, even) is a figment of your deranged, likely drug-addled brain if your reference to Neil Pert is anything to go by.
Speaking to spirits is Occultism. Period. If you need to believe that to get through the day, great, good for you, but you can't redefine something to better suit your reality, that's what women do frequently. Here we call it the hamster.
BurnDownTheMission68 7y ago
Are you on the spectrum by any chance?
Your post reminds me Professor Frink from the Simpsons
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SultanPepe 7y ago
Your arguments are incoherent. That’s why you’re getting downvotes and no responses.
Rian_Stone 7y ago
Kids are looking for a surrogate dad.
If they understood what being a man was about, they wouldn't be.
This is the only point about Peterson you need to understand.
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BurnDownTheMission68 7y ago
Not sure Jung was ever pushing anything other than his fascinating and bizarre theories of the human mind
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BurnDownTheMission68 7y ago
You seem to be really focused on one aspect of Jung when there is a lot more to him
You reckon Meyers-Briggs (which is based entirely on Jung’s personality theories) is occulty?
Rian_Stone 7y ago
MBTI was his wife and her hen circle who figured "I'm fucking a scientist, so I am too a scientist!"
It's astrology for people who think they are too high an IQ for astrology
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SultanPepe 7y ago
First, your comment is low effort and hard to read.
Second, Jung was trying to understand human psychology and was heavily influenced by Freud. By modern standards it is mysticism, but he helped shape the landscape we now understand as human drives and motivations.
JBP has a foot in both rp and bp worlds. He’s professor of psychology who understands the bp lingo, and speaks within the Overton window about concepts that are red pilling masses. You couldn’t ask for a better figurehead. Your own sermons, GLO, are preaching to the converted most of the time.
And masculinity is the product of race? Come on, you’re better than that. If you stand by that comment, your work is ahead of you to unpack what you mean.
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SultanPepe 7y ago
Ok, that’s a more coherent point. But it’s still wrong. Masculinity is defined by its counterpoint, which is femininity.
It’s true that there are genetic differences between race, and these are greater than between sexes. However, masculinity is defined by the differences between sexes and not races, even if some races show greater sexual dimorphism.
Edit. The aspects of Jung’s work with the occult (of which I’m ignorant) is entirely irrelevant to the discussion about JBP, because the good psychoanalytic work Jung did stands on its own merits. And it’s those concepts that JBP draws from and extols
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SultanPepe 7y ago
Hence why it’s not defined by race.
I have no argument against the rest of what you said.
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JustForTRP 7y ago
Are you ever gonna explain what spanish from spain or white masculinity is?
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sigma272 7y ago
Wew, you're even more redpilled than I thought
CasaDeFranco 7y ago
I'm loving seeing authors like Evola are getting a renaissance today.
ShavedApel 7y ago
Isn't that what the MGTOWs have been saying.
I thought we were supposed to work harder to become alpha and deal with the washed up product as best we can.
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dmystery 7y ago
But surely in a world where globalisation is the dominating force, it’s almost impossible to escape “The West”? The east (where oriental philosophy of stoicism and spirituality shuns materialism) a western lifestyle of consumerism (and other blue pilled) is being heralded as the best. How can one withdraw when the decline is global?
Gutrek 7y ago
This is why I only partly blame women for rasical feminism. The real blame is on weak men. If we had a society filled with men who will stand well-grounded on a set of principles, who never allow pathological thinking to invade their boundaries, radical feminism would be DEAD. The world desperatly needs strong men.
Werkzeug81 7y ago
Feminists don't want what they ask for but men keep giving it to them.
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Troll_Name 7y ago
Non-bio fathers are proven inferior parents to bio fathers. When you add 'unwilling' to the mix, I'm not sure if the matter has been studied sufficiently but I would venture a very confident guess the suitability drops even further. Family courts rubber stamp any man in reach as the legal father - only in criminal court is there a presumption of innocence. Family court is where the institution of family goes to die.
truedemocracy3 7y ago
There are generally two types of male enablers:
The serious sympathizers - These are ones who buy into feminism hook line and sinker. They think women are actually oppressed, and men are the culprit. This is their own sexual strategy in a way, by appealing to 'equality' they are hoping to get a pat on the head and sex (but only if she consents!). These men are almost always liberal, meek, and soft but think they are geniuses. Feminism is a denial of feminine gender roles so these guys are a denial of masculine ones. Wont lead with their women, arent physically capable in any way, etc.
Both are bad for men long term. I can at least admire the underhandedness of group 2. The 1st type serve as the majority, the useful idiots, the weak men of society.
Troll_Name 7y ago
"Predators often disguise as their prey..."
Ah-here 7y ago
I'm fucking sick to my teeth of these feminists, i cannot turn on the radio or TV, read a magazine or go most places online without hearing that we are a bunch of cunts making there lives horrible. its gone way beyond boring, great to find this sub !
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This is one of the side effects of the red pill.
Herjaren 7y ago
Blame. This is such a narrowminded concept. Expand your mind.
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Spunkdiver 7y ago
Two world wars certainly took a lions share of the strong men.
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Troll_Name 7y ago
Well-adjusted, I'd call that a better term. They know reality because they witnessed reality. Compare with Soy Justice Warriors sitting in a coffee shop and screaming for a violent revolution because they're not getting the right vibes out of life.
War is a great way to benefit the chosen few at the expense of the most. They gained wisdom and lost youth; another way of saying they aged fast-forward. "War is good for the economy" came from the fact that US factories were charging sky-high prices for their work after the rest of the world's factories were destroyed. This produced the idea of "American exceptionalism," which lead to the way of thinking that made America stop being exceptional.
AussiecuntTRP 7y ago
I disagree unequivocally. The best way to raise boys into manly men is with a present and manly father. When boys have no positive influence to look up to they turn into beta nice guys. The world wars wiped out millions of fathers and turned hundreds of millions of boys into weak beta men.
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Of course. Men ARE the society. Women are merely another part of the society that needs to be managed and defended.
cappadocianhawk 7y ago
I agree. Men built this world, and sure as shit we are responsible for what has happened to it. Blaming the women for being women is pointless.
Troll_Name 7y ago
Women are the experience point monsters in RPGs. Some guys spend all day on them; some guys try to bypass them altogether. Some guys ignore the heroic quests of their life entirely and just grind on monsters for fun.
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Steadyeddie1970 7y ago
You need to step away from the gaming console.
brucebannerstailor 7y ago
You can’t blame bitches at all. You can get angry at them, but would you blame a shark for swimming close to shore and takin a bite out of a motherfucker? No, it’s in that creatures nature. This is 100% on us, because there are so many dudes willing to bow down to them and not fight their horseshit because they think that’s how you get laid.
dsade 7y ago
Do you blame pedophiles for fucking little kids? Or do you, despite their "nature" to be attracted to kids, recognize that there are probably a ton out there that recognize the shittiness of acting on their drives and control them?
brucebannerstailor 7y ago
Thats way different though dude, and pedophelia is most likely the result of mental illness or messed up wiring in the brain. Bitches have this shit engrained into their DNA. They have subconscious thought patterns that create the insaneness and it presents itself unless there is a dominant force there to keep it submissive. Pedophelia is an urge that gets acted upon, like an itch for lack of better term. Its a conscious decision whether or not you scratch that itch. Women don't have the conscious ability to recognize what their subconscious is doing.
dsade 7y ago
I disagree...its a hard wiring somehow but to think they don't know exactly what they are doing, but stifle that awareness due to biological drive is willful ignorance. They are fully aware of their hamster.
brucebannerstailor 7y ago
Idk how to explain this over typing, but I think we are kind of talking about two different things. I recognize bitches can be manipulative or throw some shit out to see how dudes will react, and that they do that knowingly. Even though they do manipulative shit knowingly, as a pedo fucks a kid knowing its wrong, its different in that there is literally thousands of years of evolution giving engraining these things into women and how they need to act to choose the correct partner. Pedophiles aren't something thats been evolutionarily passed on where inside their DNA they have to fuck kids for some reason, its a mental urge that is controllable. You can't really control shit in your DNA. Thats like asking someone not to get Alzheimers because its a hinderance to you.
dsade 7y ago
You're attempting to explain your viewpoint, and I am explaining mine. It's going fine.
"In their DNA" really isn't an explanation. DNA and gene expression influences biochemical reactions including neurotransmitter releases. These are merely influences towards behaviour and not hard wired behaviours themselves. Though every person has genetic and individual tendency towards behaviours it is either internal or external reinforcement of those behaviours that solidifies them as either merely urges or uncontrollable acts.
Shit like modern feminism, as well as the beta male reaction (also conditioned and not genetic) which rewarda them are that reinforcement. The drives of pedophilia are likely also a genetic aberration that is just so frowned upon that it's more obvious that, again either internal or external reinforcement exerts more of a control motive.
In the end, behaviour is chosen and it is the reaction that determines whether it becomes a dominant behaviour is that person. Much like today's sweeping beta wave is "genetic". No, it's just reinforced into being more of the norm.
nobodyinparticu1ar 7y ago
Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times. The cycle.
dykedestroyer 7y ago
You should look up red pill philospher Samuel W Hyderson
thedaynos 7y ago
i've always thought and known this, but never been able to write it so simply. thanks.
DoubleA12 7y ago
Wow, never heard this, very concise.
SultanPepe 7y ago
We are currently in the weak men phase and are entering the hard times phase. This is the decline everyone says to enjoy.
The big question is whether the next strong men will come from within the west, or be imported from Islam or Africa.
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COCAINE_ADVOCATE 7y ago
I live in a large North American city, and the Last time I went to my favorite club, it was wall-to-wall Saudi, Iraqi, Iranian and Pakistani guys (I know because I was there with a friend from Lebanon, he knows by their accent). They were all sharply dressed, in shape, and gaming hard. The girls that were there just eat it up-- men from those areas are dominant from the very beginning.
Nothing wrong with that, Western men just need to step the fuck up already.
Freegeeks 7y ago
I lived in Bahrain for a year, I saw the Saudi game every evening in the clubs, it’s f***g pathetic. There is nothing Alfa about harassing women.
marplaneit 7y ago
lol when you mean Western you mean europe are America. Go to south america, for most guys here the red pill is what the regular guys think. Yes, they may not have system of idea like we do here. When I went to USA, I just was baffled on how most man were behaving... totally bettish. I was told I was a little bit of an asshole yet I was getting asked for dates from girls and some of even had boyfriends.
Avertus 7y ago
I think the whole Red Pill philosophy was compiled specifically for 21st-Century American society, where feminazis dominate pop culture, politics and the academe.
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Irishminer93 7y ago
Argentinean? You guys know how to party. Spent a few weeks there and quickly found out as long as you can hold your liquor you'll have a great time. Haven't been there in years though... might be time to take a vacation.
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Irishminer93 7y ago
Oh, Fernet, I couldn't remember the name of that drink... Thank you. And your absolutely right.
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marplaneit 7y ago
Esto esta plagado de argentinos la puta madre jajaja. De donde sos?
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spic subhumans. Perfect cannonfodder for the kike elite against the Aryan
22Luika 7y ago
Acá es la pastilla o nada papu
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eccentricrealist 7y ago
En México ya se ve un chingo con los fresas y comunistas. Ni modo, que ellos se jodan
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Merwebb 7y ago
Y para los buenos para nada
BigMawsmidget 7y ago
Think we're in-between phases or almost there I should say.
VickVaseline 7y ago
The audio snippet is from this Peterson video:
https://youtu.be/rqLtEBVkZpA
Luckyluke23 7y ago
i like how you make the distinction between CONSCIOUS and UNCONSCIOUS in this post.
because when it boils down to it... desire can't be negotiated with, therefor is it really conscious. If it's not conscious, then how can you take a women at her word?
AussiecuntTRP 7y ago
Of course.
Awalt. Watch what she does not what she says.
You can guarantee that the hot "feminist" is getting banged by the alpha who stands against her not with her.
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PrepositionalChi 7y ago
I liked GLO's recent thread about using tactics found in religion to crush feminism.
MrTrizzles 7y ago
The fine doctor is a good example of a man with a fair mastery of his masculinity. While of course underpinning everything he does, he delpoys more potent concentrations with good measure and timing. And looking pretty damn good at 55. A surplus of masculinity isn't likely to be a common problem here, but it's still worth taking note of the demeanor of a man who perhaps knows more about the subject than us all.
Zech4riah 7y ago
Jordan Peterson has many great points but he is pretty blue pilled and preaches for equality.
reluctantly_red 7y ago
Not really. He just presents RP ideas in an intellectual, and generally more palatable, manner.
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J O R D A N P E T E R S O N I S B L U E P I L L E D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ-M5MgqVOo
Zech4riah 7y ago
You should check his videos related to somehow sexual strategy.
This is about who you can or should call with a certain name.
His thoughts about sexual strategy are blue pilled filled with gender equality. Men and women are not the same or equal when it comes to sexual strategy.
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room_303 7y ago
Jordan "Make a damn schedule, buy my seminar" Peterson.
AussiecuntTRP 7y ago
All his online material is totally free.
room_303 7y ago
Too bad he is a waste of time, and a toxic 'psychologist'.
root_pulp 7y ago
Care to elaborate rather than simply attack? I would love to hear your position.
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