We get a lot of talk on this sub about how TRP affects relationships with women, for obvious reasons. I want to take a bit and talk about something a little different. How TRP has changed my relationship with my parents. The good and the bad.
Sometime last year, I swallowed the pill. In the beginning, I was looking for benefits with women, and they've happened, sure.
The biggest changes though, have happened with my parents.
I live with my mother and my step-father who is a beta, but I'll get to them later.
For now, I want to talk about my father; beta of betas. Even before the pill, I knew my father wasn't exactly a great example of a man. But, I always had at least a modicum of respect for him. He's a nice guy. Everybody likes him, I thought.
Lately though, I'm seeing the truth. He's a joke. No spine, no confidence, no resolve, no plans, no hobbies, no friends, a complete disregard for his health, and total ignorance toward the consequences of his actions. I could go on all day about the gross and lame shit this guy does, but honestly I don't feel like thinking about it.
This man is my father. He repulses me. NO ONE has ever made me feel like that. For years, I tried to help him take care of himself and change. Nothing works.
I realize I'm wasting my time. I've all but cut him from my life. I can't have that kind of shit bringing me down.
My relationship with my father has essentially evaporated. Frankly, I'm happy about it. He's a terrible influence who attributed to a lot of the dysfunction in my life and I'm doing better without him.
Rant over. On to the happy part:
My relationship with my mother.
Before TRP, I was always super butt hurt at home. Mom would give me shit about the most mundane things. And I, being the super beta boy I was, would mope around and brood about it all, blaming the world instead of my own shitty attitude.
Our relationship was pretty much non-existent other than the occasional bickering. Every once in a while, she would throw a shit test my way (probably trying to see if I had ever become a man) and I would fail like the miserable pussy I was.
I hated it.
Then I found the pill. I started taking care of myself. I started standing up for myself. She noticed the change perhaps quicker than I did. She shit tests me ALL the time and I don't give a shit. In fact, I enjoy it (it's good practice). I laugh at her attempts at testing my frame instead of caving and letting her have a tantrum because of it. We banter, we make jokes at each other's expense without being passive aggressive douchebags about it. It's fun. For the first time in my life, I am having fun with one of my parents.
Now, she comes to me for advice. Especially on fitness. The pill helped me put my ass in gear and take care of myself physically. Because I took the initiative to get healthy, it has inspired my mom to do the same. We're both happier for it.
I'm proud of that.
I've noticed that I'm fitting into household decisions. She asks me for input on nearly everything, whether it be shit I don't really care about (like decoration) or important things, like financials. While I may not get the final say, I am at least a factor.
I've been around my mother enough to know when she's happy. And for a long time, I can honestly say, she wasn't. My step-father caves to her will on most everything and she was having to take the lead. We all know that's not what woman wants. And looking back, I can see the toll it was taking on her. It's simply too much for her to handle. She's acting like a happy little girl. It's kind of funny seeing the change in my mother. She's gone from this cold, angry, passive aggressive being to a giddy, bubbly, charming lady.
I'm astounded.
I'm astounded at how easy it all feels. I'm astounded by how quickly people start to pick up on the changes in my character.
All of this I'm noticing in my relationships with everyone in my life. Whether it's with friends, family, or women. Whether it's people I've known for years or new acquaintances, the dynamics are all shifting.
And it's a joy to sit back and watch.
Thanks TRP, you guys kick ass.
EDIT: Got rid of blatant overuse of the word Now
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Smooovies 10y ago
I'm literally watching the exact same thing happen with me. I had spent the larger part of the last four years hating my parents because they had no respect for me. I adopted red pill theories in October of last year, after having lived on a friends couch for three months that year, (which was hell). My mother (non biological) is now letting me do whatever I want. I mean, anything. My father is a pushover, and just lets her do what she wants. So now, I have her attention, and I get anything I demand. It's like I jumped into the life I always wanted, and it happened in the span of about five months.
FLFTW16 10y ago
Our parents are somewhat similar.
My relationship with my father has also evaporated but I am not happy about it. Although I am getting by in life and making my own path, I would have preferred a stronger father that put his wife and daughter in their places and taught his son how to be a man. I would have saved a few years wandering in the desert alone and would definitely be much more successful.
The benefits of patriarchal patronage are cumulative.
asdfghjkltyu 10y ago
If its any consolation, I don't think many fathers teach their kids to be men. Most men in modern society seem to live by distractions, completely unfulfilled by their bossy wives that they themselves don't feel like men. I can understand it, that feeling when you accomplish something independently, that freedom of buying a car and just taking it out on the road to your home. Its empowering. That is what most men start out life like, but by the time you've semi grown up that you can use their guidance they don't get that. Every day of their life is apportioned for some household duty, their hobby is money and raising of children, if they're lucky they're given a room for their things. They work for their new task master.
Its not really surprising considering the state of most mens life that they don't feel masculine.
metalhead4 10y ago
I hate hearing these stories, they make me feel really lucky. I workout with my dad 4x a week, we ride motorcycles (when this fucking snow goes away), mountain bike, attempt 'trials', go to the odd war movie when they come around, used to go to some concerts and generally have pretty good time just doing stuff together. Last weekend we drove an hour and a half in a snow storm to checkout a motorcycle shop with salvaged parts because i need a new front fork for my 86 interceptor. We don't really have the deepest of talks because frankly we don't really need to, but he's been there when i had a shitty breakup with an ex i had to live with for 2 months during my last year of school. (Actually she broke my heart and is kinda the reason I sometimes browse TRP) But we're usually just happy in each others presense and isn't that what life is about? I'm 24 and he's 49 so I'm happy he's a pretty healthy person and hopefully has a long life ahead of him still for my sake. I'd be truly devastated losing either of my parents so I feel for people that don't have relationships with theirs.
Still fuck bitches. Get money.
dabrah1 10y ago
Thats the kind of relationship I wish I had with my dad. WHile my dad is not a complete beta, he still gives in to my moms will way more than he should. He taught me the value of a dollar, good work ethic, and how important working out is, so I am grateful that he is in my life for sure. But at the same time, he never taught me how to use tools, understand cars, or understand women, three things important to the majority of men, and he is more into long distance running than weight training, which I can not get into. In short, hes a decent role model, but I wish he was better with woman, and I wish we had more in common. Not to say i'm not grateful to have a dad in my life.
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What you have is so, so rare.
Cryocasm 10y ago
A few nights ago I had a relevant epiphany in my home.
Background info:
nuclear family, parents still married, we live at my grandfathers place (he lives elsewhere, but he owns and doesn't demand rent for this spot), middle class.
A few nights ago my sister (in high school) came home on Thursday at 10:45 pm, and my mother immediately spins up the guns and starts asking all sorts of questions. It was in this 20 minute interaction that I got first hand evidence (I haven't been in a conversation with more than 2 family members in around half a year) that my mother is redpill as fuck, my sister under the influence of the American hamster, my father beta as fuck.
My mother literally said "there is no equality: men and women are viewed differently for their actions. It doesn't affect [Cryocasm] at all if he goes and bangs girls, but it affects you a lot more and you depreciate in value quickly for being loose". Word for fucking word she said that, no lie. My father said "that's nonsense" and my sister was beginning to have a mental breakdown (guilt trip&emotional manipulation attempt), and I start laughing. As a matter of fact I was laughing during the entire exchange because my sister was desperately trying to defend "I do what I want to do and you can't stop me!!111!!!one1!" and my father kept trying to shoot down my mother who was saying the truth.
I was pretty close to disclosing hard truths, but all I said to my sister was "you're the type of girl to end up 30 and wondering where all the good men have gone as a result of your behaviour" after which she started sobbing. My mother agreed&laughed while my father went full on beta threatening to "physically remove" me from the situation, yelling at me that I'm an asshole, have no manners, douchebag, anti-social (with support from my sister). I responded with "that may be your opinion, but that doesn't change the matter of fact".
Fucking loved that once, laughed the entire way through and the escalation of it proved my point.
Hussein_79 10y ago
It's amusing that you still live with your parents. There are two options here:
You are still a minor who legally can't move out, which means you have zero life experience, and your contribution is therefore meaningless.
Donald_Fuck 10y ago
The first 'anger phase', if you will, left me absolutely despising my father and turning to my mother. About a year later I understand why he is who is and I accept that. You don't choose your parents and your father is the result of this feminised society. Don't write your dad off completely just yet. My two cents.
anon338 10y ago
Yes, made me think of this also. The guy could've been as deceived as everyone else. Of course he doesn't need your pitty, it wouldn't even help him. Instead, don't take his crap and challenge him to take some iniciative, lose weight, be healthy, exercise, be smarter, be more manly. There's always a personal interest or curiosity people can follow.
Also showing your value as a son and showing confidence once in a while can have positive results, even if it doesn't fix everything. It could at least avoid burn outs and depression. Which one way or another is not something you would be glad about knowing your father is going through.
asdfghjkltyu 10y ago
The guys who didn't give into the feminised society likely aren't dads. Or if they are they're not any major factor in their kids lives. No men who see through this want the prison that is marriage.
asdfghjkltyu 10y ago
There is a pretty common fallacy on here about mothers and their children, that there is unconditional love and all that. Its simply not true, atleast not that I've witnessed.
The biggest shit tests I've experienced are from my mother (and grandmother). They will pick you to bits and they want you to stand up to them and show you're above it.
The thing is its very difficult while you live at home, only once you support yourself and your parents want your company can you have that kind of respectful relationship. While you still live under their roof you'll always be looked down upon.
Its actually an element of the male-female dynamic that TRP never explores. Women test their children for fitness all the time and I do think to some extent they prefer their 'stronger' children to the weaker ones. You can sense it in other parents with multiple children, there is always one that stands out and they want to talk about.
It makes sense on many levels, parents want to focus on the child most likely to be successful in life. People accept it in all other areas of life and yet seem to be in denial that parents operate like that, seemingly true love is real there!
spith 10y ago
Could you give me some examples of "shit tests". I'm pretty new to TRP so I've heard this term often enough but I've never fully grasped what exactly it is.
asdfghjkltyu 10y ago
Its hard to think of a specific test with mothers. But in general women who 'shit test' you will do things to test your frame. Its often qualifiers, like implying you're not very good at something to see how you react, or aiming a small insult in your direction. Women do this in basically every aspect of society in order to establish social hierarchy. If you're super offended and seem bothered by their attacks they know that you're not a strong male.
Stuff like "Ok, well I'm not going to talk to you until you do xx" "Ok fine, cya" would be the correct response. "No please, I'll do anything, what do you want" would be the incorrect response.
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What about "do what you're told (minor thing) or I'll put you into a new school!"
I know it sucks to have absent parents, but having parents who are there too much for their kids can be a bad thing especially if they are obsessed with making their teen obey them; in fact, I think that's what made me become a beta up to this point. Having over involved parents as a minor isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
spith 10y ago
Ah thanks, that clears up that quite nicely. Thanks for the timely and thorough answer.
foldpak111 10y ago
You can also search stories about them in the search bar. The side bar has shit test 101, good place to start.
spith 10y ago
Thanks for your helpful advice, and I'll start on that right away.
ConcealingFate 10y ago
For me, TRP has helped me stand up for myself in front of my mom and she hates it. She hates I don't cater to her every single needs and demands. She also loves playing the victim card and has an insane sense of entitlement. She's the polar opposite of the kind of woman I want in my life.
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Yeah you should definitely treat your mother like shit at every chance you get. That's what real men do
foldpak111 10y ago
Oh god, if I see my mother again, I'm gonna make women's shit tests look mild in comparison to mine. TRP gives us the courage to have deadly confidence.
reddeadpillars 10y ago
Sorry to hear that. Some people are just too far gone.
People live their lives one way for so long that nothing seems to help them grow.
Everyone needs a little guidance. Even mothers. It's a shame yours may not have gotten it when it was needed. Use it to your advantage, practice holding frame like a boss.
ConcealingFate 10y ago
It has helped me in the sense I don't take shit freely from people anymore ans can respond to nagging properly.
I try to help her, especially with fitness. She's overweight and smokes but I'm trying to ease her into small excercices but that's about it.
anon338 10y ago
You should find some tv show, movie or book you think could inspire your mother, and use that to break her bitterness and make her dream of a better life. Use reinforcement whenever she shows some curiosity, even if its about something else. She probably have toxic people in her life too, maybe you can nudge her lighly to dump those.
RedPope 10y ago
Given the ludacris trolling we've had today, I was slightly worried this would turn into a FR... ;)
Good job, man. Glad things are going well for you.
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reddeadpillars 10y ago
First off, ew. Haha.
I've tried talking to my dad about a lot of things, believe me. He doesn't listen. He can barely read anyhow.
No. That's wasn't a joke.
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JDiculous 10y ago
Any advice on how to get that horrific scene out of my head?
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Dude. First you still live with your mom. Their is no alpha anything in your life yet.
asdfghjkltyu 10y ago
He's got to do what he's got to do. There is nothing alpha about being homeless.
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reddeadpillars 10y ago
If you don't want to talk, don't answer.
I'll answer when I feel like it. If not, I don't. Simple.
TruckerJohn 10y ago
My parents are in a shit situation. My dad is slightly beta but onlyout of the worst circumstances. He smoked for 40 years (he's 75, so when he started they didn't know it was that bad). By the time he quit he had developed emphysema, so he physically can't take te lead in anything. Sex, house work, even playing with me when I was a kid.
He's still decidedly alpha in his attitudes most of the time. He sticks up for himself, and he tries to give me actual advice most of the time. He used to be a successful business man, so I trust his understanding of social dynamics. He always says "99% of people are followers. It's not good or bad, but if you're a 1% leader, you need to take full advantage of that."
My Mom, however, is a drunk. So when she gets really wasted she's an angry bitch of a woman. THe problem is: neither my Mom no my Dad have the financial means to get a divorce. They're kind of making it work in a weird way, and I'm happy for them. The main thing I've noticed is that part of my responsibility to the world around me is to keep ideal health unlike BOTH my parents. I wouldn't want a girl afraid to leave me because I'm an angry drunk, and I wouldn't want my son to have to teach himself how to ride his bike because I can't help him.
Still love both of them to death, but I can see my Dad's physical inability to act on his decissions and ideas slowly eating him away.
So... obvious PSA: don't get addicted to anything, fellas.
eremetic 10y ago
Sounds like you're emotionally fulfilling the role of husband with your mom which is very weird.
waitfor_ittt 10y ago
Excellent post. I can relate to this in many ways. Sounds like the gears are finally turning in your head. Keep it up.
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Careful, brother... Don't be the man that fills your fathers role in your mothers life. It's not your job to fill that spot, and it can be unhealthy...
I don't know how old you are, but I recommend you move out ASAP.
Congrats on the self improvement.
asdfghjkltyu 10y ago
I was thinking this. Do not be friends with your mother. Mothers have incredibly bad advice on basically every issue, they are beta to the core, they even have active alpha child defence that anytime you do anything close to improving your SMV they will put up walls to try and stop it. They want good beta boys to raise beta grandkids.
DrBillC0sby 10y ago
Agreed. I've lost weight and gained some muscle, eat healthier , and in addition, my wardrobe has improved considerably. I also don't let people walk all over me anymore. My mother's response: "stop working out so much and dressing differently, you're losing too much weight and it's not you."
foldpak111 10y ago
No one wants you to be alpha. It's hilarious because it's not just about the physical, your brain starts working correctly from nutrients you put in it. So whenever our parents scold us for not eating a science experiment, just politely say "no, i'll take the spinach and chicken breast, enjoy your pizza, though." Translation: I'll take the sex with hot women, millions of dollars, traveling the world, and a brain that works. You will usually get scolded, mocked, laughed at.. and they actually believe that. Like, seriously, they believe that. The power of social conditioning, right? They're being suppressed with garbage food, social media, TV programs, debt for a degree that got them nothing, and they think the government is conspiring against them or some shit. They did it to themselves haha that's what happens when you follow the path of least resistance.
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LittleHelperRobot 10y ago
Non-mobile: No one wants you to be alpha.
^That's ^why ^I'm ^here, ^I ^don't ^judge ^you. ^PM ^/u/xl0 ^if ^I'm ^causing ^any ^trouble. ^WUT?
C00l_Guy 10y ago
See this is the kind of guy who needs TRP the most. A degenerate from a broken home.
reddeadpillars 10y ago
Yep. Happens a lot doesn't it? I'm from the south, and I hear a lot that it's one of the last bastions of happy families. Nope. Shit's broken everywhere.
Most of my cousins are victims of beta dad syndrome and/or divorced families.
I can look around at most of my extended family and see the ones who've turned out productive and happy. Guess what, their parents had a healthy male/female dynamic in the household. The ones that didn't raised beta boys and slutty girls.
Oh well, it's better to spot it late than never.
anon338 10y ago
What part did social liberalism and religiosity played in those families you know?
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asdfghjkltyu 10y ago
While I think this is to some extent true, mothers can be completely obnoxious too, just like any female. They raise you so that you can fulfill their dreams, being something to share in common with their friends, to continue the family legacy. Basically by the time you turn 25 they expect you to reward their effort. Its far from no strings attached.
reddeadpillars 10y ago
Some people just don't want to be helped.
At least you're on a different path. Don't become them. Be better. Much much better.
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Good job, dude. Enjoy interacting with your parents while you can, it's one of the greatest things in life.
the99percent1 10y ago
The feelings mother is giving you is called manipulation.. don't be fooled by women. The mother senses you are working towards self improvement, which means if you are successful, her improvement in life also goes up. She's looking for a branch swing, except not towards another man she couldn't possibly gain due to her faded beauty, but towards her child.
Your mother is as opportunistic as any women out there. Tread carefully, your feelings will lead you to supporting your mother for life and hating your father also for life.. don't fall into this trap as your feelings towards your mother will make you susceptible developing similar feelings towards your future partner. You will be a cockcolded man if you do not suppress or recognize what you are feeling atm.. you've been warned.
TheSliceman 10y ago
The rules of the game are set up against you. The game is rigged for you to fail.
Because of this, the only way to succeed is to cut out all the dead weight in your life. People, materials, bills, activities..
If it doesn't help you directly achieve your goals, its gone.
If your parents happen to fall into that category, that fucking sucks, but they dont get a free pass.
A lot of us have issues with our parents, and if you fall into that category, well, congratulations, you got a shit roll of the dice. What are you going to do about it?
You can put your nuts in your backpack and cut out the dead weight or you can compromise like a beta bitch.
Dont let anyone hold you down. No free passes, period.
OakTr3E 10y ago
TRP has helped me see all the flaws in my parents. They were great, much more mentally stable and strong than most parents. But not nearly as strong as I thought. While my father had some Don Juan characteristics (and I suspect he wasn't faithful 100% of the time before my parents divorce) he still is very blue pill and has now become very pussy whipped by his new GF.
My mother cuddled me very much. I achieved a lot of love. But I actually also achieved RP advice (mixed with blue pill). Most of it (RP advice) I did not absorb/understand until much later in my life. But the cuddling "you go son!" helped me believing in myself. But at the cost of getting a sort of entitlement issue and becoming lazy and thinking I would have it easy in life (because I'm "awesome per default").
Adult life started waking me up to reality and eventually I swallowed the red pill and have learned a lot since then. I no longer feel the need for validation from my parents. I feel sorry for my dad's BP mindset and just ignore his advice on relationships and I no longer try to change my mom“s mental issues. She will always have them and we can never connect in the way I would like to. I did get a lot of traits from her though.
Her philosophical part and her introverted side. Being a male however, got me more rational and less emotional and made me, eventually, able to see my weaknesses and improve on the. I also got my dads (higher than average) polygamous nature. But being more calm and idealistic about faithfulness I haven't throwed myself into relationships, promising commitment without thinking real hard about what I promise. I am not as ruled by my dick and my heart as my dad is. Therefore I will not be (verbally) dishonest about what I want. I will not enter a relationship untruthfully (because of pussy addiction). The partners I engage with I will never blatantly lie to. I might manipulate them but I won't tell verbal "big" lies. I will make sure nothing I have said can be used against me. If I haven't promised monogamy she can't demand it just "because social norms expect us to at this point". My fathers approach would probably be to deny his nature and "promise" it. While at a later stage "slip" and feel shame. Shame which could be taken advantage of by my mother or his later partner. That instead of accepting who he is and making demands that suit his needs. That way he could have kept his moral and confidence intact and avoided the pussy whipping he is experiencing now (without even realizing it).
He and my mom gives me advice on relationship as well as express their desires. But they are not in line with what I want. Trying to explain to them what I want and why is futile. And I don't care, any longer. I used to - but not now, I am not responsible for "unbrainwashing" them.
PlebDestroyer 10y ago
What can I do if my mother constantly bitches about me leaving shit behind or not cleaning my room? Most of the time it isn't even me, it's my dad or sister.
I mostly just ignore her.
reddeadpillars 10y ago
Your room should be clean. Not for her sake, but for yours.
As for her bitching? That depends. Just experiment and see what works. Forget logic, she's still a woman. She'll ignore logic.
My mother responds well to sarcasm and humor. More important than anything though, don't get defensive or whiny.
Most of the time, I just laugh at her.
PlebDestroyer 10y ago
With you 100%. Sometimes I get so stressed with school work that I can't even be bothered.
Florist_Gump 10y ago
Handling your mother's shit tests is a step in the right direction but lets be perfectly honest - you haven't truly started "taking care of yourself" until you obtain the financial security to not live at home like a dependent child.
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