So my facebook friends have been sharing an article in which JK Rowling talks about her views on Draco Malfoy, a stereotypical "bad boy" in the HP universe - rich, uncaring, and douchebaggy. In other words, exactly the traits that make girls sploosh their panties.
I thought the article was particularly interesting because she laid down some hard Redpill truths without even knowing it. I've paraphrased it here:
Draco remains a person of dubious morality in the seven published books... how unnerved have I been by the number of girls who fell for this particular fictional character. Draco has all the glamour of the anti-hero; girls are very apt to romanticize such people. All of this left me in the unenviable position... as I told them, rather severely, that Draco was not concealing a heart of gold under all that sneering at prejudice.
Just another nail in the "girls really want nice guys!" myth. Redpill is everywhere.
FemtoG 9y ago
Draco was never mean. He was just manipulated by his parents and that assface Voldemort. Of course I'm not saying that it justifies his bullying and bad behavior, but I think he is just a misunderstood person and he just needed someone to love him and accept him for who he really was, which is not a bad person but a very handsome man who can be as ass sometimes but he is actually scared and helpless. God I'm still mad at why J.K. Rowling didn't put Hermoine and Draco together! GRRRRR!!!! >.< Obliviate memory!
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Rinsleeve 9y ago
When you look for them you find these situations all over the place, like Loki. He's an evil mother fucker but he's loved cuz he's 'misunderstood'. Apparently being the second favourite child excuses genocide and the attempted enslavement of the entire human race.
Frogtarius 9y ago
Should be easy to ruin their fantasy in the next book.
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Emma and Tom are actors. They can be attracted to each other without it having anything to do with their characters. I refer you to the story of carol & greg brady: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/247259/BRADY-BUNCH-MOM-SAYS-SHE-DATED-SON---ONCE.html?pg=all
TheRealMouseRat 9y ago
The whole Snape, Harry's father and Harry's mother thing also screams "don't be a nice guy, be a douche, if you want the girl that is".
Cryocasm 9y ago
I'll quote myself again:
The female rationalization of Dark Triad men is as follows (if Draco is one doesn't matter since he is portrayed and behaves like one):
Deep Down He Loves Me™
This comes straight from:
frak_me_harder 9y ago
Related note: An old girlfriend of mine and I were talking about the Song of Ice and Fire series once, and Joffrey makes her sploosh hard apparently. All about the power and dark triad.
maximumutility 9y ago
I think a better example from that series is the torturous psycho Ramsay Bolton. It's crazy how women fangirl over a character who is literally a serial rapist who skins his victims alive.
Mans_Right_To_Choose 9y ago
Joffrey is a whiny bitch who can't think for shit. He can't be Dark Triad because he's too dumbfuck obvious in his schemes that he's no Machiavellian. Narcissist, sure. Psychopath, yes indeed. But you need three for a Triad.
TheRealMewt 9y ago
This is exactly the reason why the Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater tropes even exist.
Hirudin 9y ago
Being confident is more important than not being an asshole. If you have to be an asshole to be confident then it's a net gain.
Also, being confident and a decent person means absolutely nothing if you are beaten by someone who is a confident douchebag.
Anderfail 9y ago
Draco wasn't confident though, he was massively insecure. He had no ability to maintain any frame at all and whined like a little girl when things didn't go his way. He's a guy who was raised by a follower (Lucius is not an alpha, he's a follower as evident by his death eater status) to be a follower. He knows absolutely nothing else, which is why he is and always will be a person of mediocre ability.
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What I am realizing lately however is that there is a direct trade off here. One simply cannot be extremely confident and extremely nice (same as completely non-assholish) at the same time.
Confidence is shown via an "uncaring daring" attitude in regular actions, body language, tone and loudness of voice, care free manipulation of environment, etc.
If one is very considerate of those around, he will be forced to drop this uncaring attitude and it would immediately show. Confidence and being an asshole are the same thing. Both are signs of strength and say "I don't care about what others think... I can afford to offend others"... being nice is the exact opposite of that.
trp_tophan 9y ago
Sure you can, most of the time. Most everyday environments don't call for much social jockeying or cavalier behavior if you're already at ease. That atmosphere can persist for quite a while before any pointed conflict occurs. You can be cavalier and gregarious if you so choose, and maybe stick out to someone who otherwise wouldn't have paid as much attention to you, but that's not a prerequisite to confidence.
Ever been around an ivy league university? They're home to some of the most exceedingly arrogant people you'll ever meet. Just because some guy is, to use one of JK Rowling's favorite adjectives, gormless with one of those WASPy, dead-behind-the-eyes zuckerberg faces and no sense for physical posturing (because he's so privileged he's never had to look tough, let alone have a fight) doesn't mean his attitude isn't "I could own your entire family."
Projecting confidence is a separate question. Guys like that are playing an entirely different kind of dominance game with an audience of their female peers (in terms of social standing) looking on. They don't need to physically intimidate you, the stand-in peasant, but may display more of that behavior in competition within their social group.
Look at Bill Gates. At one time he was notorious for being ruthless to the point of cruelty in his business dealings, but you'll never find any evidence of him acting that way on camera. People personified him as the Devil for him back then. Now he's so high-value that the only image he's interested in projecting is the total opposite.
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What I realized is that being "at ease" in itself is slightly inconsiderate behavior. Think of how someone is perceived as being at ease... not very observant or reactive, relaxed body language, not afraid to enter other's space (feet spread out, arms rested far apart, big gestures), talking slowly and deeply... i.e. not afraid to waste other's time with whatever he has to say. Not anxious if the environment gets a little damaged by his actions.
None of it is really assholish because the whole interaction is extremely low stakes. But just by displaying these minute signs of slight inconsideration for others, the person is making a bold statement that they do not care for other's opinion and are willing to offend. It shows a willingness to get into conflict. It shows strength.
As for the rest of your post, I just don't see the difference between confidence and being cavalier and gregarious.
trp_tophan 9y ago
I don't disagree with what you're saying about body language, speech, etc., but I think a lot of it comes down to the individual's initial physicality and overall presence. An athletic person will more readily project confidence than others in certain ways, while someone with vocal training (singer, voice actor, whatever) will more readily project confidence in other ways.
There are plenty of physically unattractive narcissists out there who go around thinking they're hot shit all the time, but you wouldn't necessarily be able to pick them out in a crowd. Along with symmetry, "expressive" features are a huge part of what makes people physically attractive in the first place.
I'd just say it's a bit reductionistic / sometimes dangerous to conflate a person's mental state with how they're received by others. The description you gave also fits most stoners, after all.
GregariousWolf 9y ago
Can confirm. I recall my ex-wife making a comment about the child actor who played Malfoy was growing up and filling in nicely.
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iiMSouperman 9y ago
I disagree. We know very little about the actor IRL, we are presented with him being a "bad boy", so that's what people fall for. Take a look at Edward Cullen, Leo DiCaprio, etc etc. Heartthrobs tend to be heartthrobs because they play a good character.
If they were just randoms in the street they wouldn't get anywhere near the cult following some do.
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iiMSouperman 9y ago
Celebrity magazines != know a lot about him IRL. He could be a nice guy/a cunt IRL, people like him, it's a fair assumption to say that's linked to his dark side complex.
Disagree RE: Jack Dawson - if Leo wasn't an actor (but was another celebrity - a politician for a pretty shitty party for instance), he wouldn't be anywhere near the level of heartthrob. Chicks love him because he's a "romantic".
I guarantee a lot of "hipsters"/"quirky" girls would love to ride Michael Cera to kingdom come - because of the characters he portrays.
I'm not saying this is a solid rule across the board, but it's interesting for discussion at least.
SuperNinKenDo 9y ago
Honestly, Draco is fucking weak. He's a weak character, in the narrative, not in the sense of being particularly poorly developed, though that's arguable. I'm slightly surprised girls would gush over somebody like that, but I guess being "bad" is more important than having a pair?
bluedrygrass 9y ago
For pairless women, yes it is. They are cowards and weak, and bad, so those aren't wrong things for them.
Transmigratory 9y ago
They like the rich, apathetic douchebag, how shocking.
AnotherLostCause 9y ago
She is really getting desperate for attention.
Adelaideagain 9y ago
Must get boring on her cloud of money
AnotherLostCause 9y ago
The money doesn't really matter, she was used to everyone hanging on her every word when she was writing the books. Constant massive validation. That has stopped, sure she gets beta attention from her trekie level fans but they are orbiters for all intents and purposes, so she stirs the shit pile every once and a while to stir up some interest from something a little more substantial.
maximumutility 9y ago
Even her hardcore fans are starting to express that it's time for her to leave the series behind.
Deaddpooll 9y ago
Its because he is attractive.
Stop looking too much into it.
Not everything is 'dark triad'
Appearance matters as much for guys as it does for girls whether this place accepts it or not.
spicy_fries 9y ago
OP was merely making a comment about a character in a book.
Stop looking too much into it.
smartphone9 9y ago
The actors who play the characters in the movies confuse things. I wonder if girls would be into draco without the movie version? I doubt it
Opioidus 9y ago
Male hamster much? You can't justify being a male loser by ''muh looks'', I've seen guys that are short, ugly, poor, stupid and uninteresting with solid 8s and 9s, just because they had a very mild alpha demeanor.
rainmeter1 9y ago
You have seen short, ugly, poor and stupid guys with perfect looking women? Yeah, son, they are called ''escorts'' and for a fixed price you too can be seen with women who are far beyond your league.
Red pill is nonsense. Women are attracted to looks, women are far more visual than men are, and all this nonsense of lift and talk and walk like the 'Alphas' will get you nowhere. The vast majority of the folks here are average in everything and I doubt they can even get the attention of below-average women, let alone Adriana lima.
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Johnny10toes 9y ago
Good job controling your emotions dude.
Opioidus 9y ago
Does Al Pacino look alpha to you? Is Putin good looking? Didn't Nicolas Sarkozy look like my peepee does after sex? No, none of these guys look alpha, they're short, bald, hook nosed, skinny.. But they have something to cancel out those defects.
Game gives you a way to manipulate female psyche and make yourself appear ''alpha'' even though you're not. It's not perfect, it doesn't work on most women, but I assure you, no matter who you are and what you look like, if you act alpha and approach ten 9s every day, you will sleep with a different 9 every week.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Al Pacino has been a total dark triadist in many of his movies. And he looks alpha in real life interviews. Surely he's not bad looking. Putin is (or was) good looking.
Sarkozy is a piece of shit tough, both literally and figuratively.
RatherPlayChess 9y ago
Nah. That myth will never die. This myth has existed since man stood up from the tall grass and sculpted the Woman of Willendorf.
The spiritual worship of woman is an inescapable piece in the mythos of the human condition. Just look at this subreddit. You've made a clan centered around the virtues women REALLY desire, not the virtues society says women SHOULD desire. And adhering to the truths preached here has become a right of passage to us.
The desire for challenge and danger is inherent in all men. The mystery and the threat of pregnancy in women are dangerous to man, making woman an inescapable challenge.
GregariousWolf 9y ago
When I was young, I used to think the battle of the sexes was some kind of political humor. Now that I'm older and divorced, I'm a believer. The battle of the sexes is nothing new. It has been with us since time immemorial.
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fnordsnord 9y ago
The casting of Tom Felton as Draco had a BIG impact.
Rowling envisioned him as a little weasel, but Felton grew into a hottie in only four years during the firs two movies.
Mylittleponee 9y ago
Draco was hot by comparison because everyone else in the show got hit by the ugly puberty stick. Nobody liked Nevilled Longbottom and he turned out much hotter than Tom Felton http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2014932/Harry-Potter-star-Matthew-Lewis-transformation-geeky-Neville-hunk.html Moral of the story, have ugly friends.
tsudonimh 9y ago
The puberty stick was pretty varied on the cast. Draco, Neville and Hermione got whacked with the one labeled "hot", Harry and the twins got the "meh", while Ginny and a few of the unmemorables got the "fugly" stick.
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I can't believe HP fans try to say Bonnie Wright is pretty just because of some heavily doctored photos that are put out on the internet that are taken from the most appealing angles possible. Watch her in the movie, you know, in live action, she's fucking fugly, and that's by real life standards, not movie standards.
My dad turned to me in the movie theater at the end of the last one and goes, at the point where Ron is with Hermoine, and Harry is with Ginny and goes, "Looks like Harry pulled the short straw."
Robdogx9001 9y ago
He is tall as shit too. There was one scene where he stands next to Potter and the size difference was hilarious. Didn't show then together in the same shot much after that.
FlyingTapper 9y ago
Lol wtf? He has like 4" on him, that's not a huge height difference. It's noticeable but still not that big. Besides he is 5'9 that isn't 'tall as shit' you idiot.
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5'9" is tall as shit? Nah, it's Radcliffe's fault for being like four inches shorter.
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garlicextract 9y ago
Yeah, it's Radcliffe's "fault", you fucking idiot
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ObviouslySwallowed 9y ago
Exactly. Tom Cruise might look good on screen but stand him next to anyone in the top 20% and he looks like a chump.
Lionstrong 9y ago
I don't make the correlation that short = chump.
garlicextract 9y ago
Don't kid yourself, chump. Cruise may be half the size of most guys but don't think for a minute girls wouldn't prefer him, even in real life. Unless he's standing next to Brad Pitt or a famous athlete.
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smartphone9 9y ago
He can only bang ugly chicks like Katie Holmes and Nicole Kidman
Elodrian 9y ago
The retardedGorillaSort() function returns a list of men arranged in order of height.
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zxDanKwan 9y ago
I believe you're mistaking that for stupidGorillaSort().
retardedGorillaSort() arranges nothing, but instead just pokes itself in its own eye with a stick until it thinks it's got things sorted out. It returns a varchar from a sub-set (vowels only) for each poke.
through_a_ways 9y ago
It's expected that they're all rather short/average. They were cast as kids, and had to be stuck with no matter how they turned out, they couldn't be filtered based on height.
Ron, Malfoy, and Dudley's actors are 5'8", 9", and 9", respectively, and Potter's is 5'5". Neville Longbottom's is 6'.
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through_a_ways 9y ago
Does HGH actually help with height growth? I thought it was mainly IGF-1.
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The key to final adult height is the timing of growth plate closure (the bits of bones that actually grow) triggered by oestrogen increase towards the end of puberty. To make a child end up taller you just give drugs that block the enzyme that produces oestrogen. They grow at the same rate but for longer. This is the method used by paediatricians to treat 'constitutional short stature' in the country I come from.
Robdogx9001 9y ago
Learn something new everyday.
choikwa 9y ago
Look at this Longbottom stud http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/14/article-2014932-0D03D94F00000578-579_468x603.jpg
djvita 9y ago
he wore a fat suit and fake teeth to hide his features.
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JackGoldsteinWrites 9y ago
Draco was a bitch, Snape was an ultimate bitch (taking care of his dead oneitis' child), Weasley was a bitch - Potter was merely OK. Honestly trying to think of one guy who's inspirational in that series and I can't. Dumbledore's a white knight. Sirius is probably the closest thing to cool. This is what happens when women write men.
tsudonimh 9y ago
You mean besides the nervous, pudgy kid who overcomes his crippling self-doubt to end up staring down the big-bad-boss after decapitating his familiar with a sword that could only be drawn by someone of courage?
IMO, the last book of the series should have been called "Neville Longbottom and his enormous balls."
reddiforlove 9y ago
Check
Snape didn't "take care" of Harry, he tried to fuck him over for almost the entire series because he resembled the douchebag who bullied him and stole his oneitis away. He only helped Harry at the end because Dumbledore asked him to as his dying wish.
Wha? How is Dumbledore a white knight? He's not even interested in women. He's definitely not going around sticking up for them when they don't merit his help. He does nothing but boss shit the entire series.
http://i.imgur.com/y9GqBH4.gif
It was definitely ridiculous how that huge beta Weasley landed Hermione, but nothing else really struck me as unnatural. She even did a good job describing the tingles all the other girls got for Harry once he started to get tall around Book 5.
fnordsnord 9y ago
And gay. Dumbledore was gay. It's clearer if you read the books.
kinmeyy 9y ago
James Potter
Remus Lupin
Tom Riddle
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The most redpill relationship in Harry Potter is Lily and James.
Let's forget about calling Snape a beta orbiter or omega male for a second, and saying Lily choose James over Snape etc, and just consider for a second that Lily found James appealing at all.
He's supposed to be an unappealing character to readers. James that is. Harry is upset that he's such a dick. He's upset that he's a cocky show off that bullied Snape, and yet, Lily is attracted to that.
The problem with Snape and Lily's relationship is that it's bullshit to begin with. This pretty popular girl who is part of a clique far removed from this other clique stays friends with the greasy, hook nosed, anti-social, loser throughout 4,5, 6 years, whatever it was, of school? And she only stops talking to him because he's hanging out with the wrong crowd and treats her poorly? Bullshit. She would have stopped talking to him one month into her first year.
mister_barfly75 9y ago
Since we're on the topic of Harry Potter, may I just remind everyone that's mentioned Snape that Alan Rickman was also a scene stealer in both Die Hard and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves where he also played villains that were more charismatic than the heroes.
Also, for anyone else spending tonight watching Die Hard I'd like to raise a toast in advance to you.
ShinyBrah 9y ago
Never be Ron Weasley, always be Draco. As if it needs to be said again, but well meaning, kind hearted men don't even produce the slightest tingle in a woman.
-Strider 9y ago
No you can be, I mean look at Potter, but only if you're the hero as well, i.e. have high SMV
oldredder 9y ago
I suppose though Ron did get Hermione and if you've seen him in other movies since it's clear the man does hit the gym. He's quite fit and must realize this is a good choice. Not all child actors grow up to be handsome and/or fit (take a look at puddin'-pudge who used to See Dead People a decade ago).
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Ron was never a push over with Hermione either, and they were always bickering. Ron's also quite a bit better in the books then the movies.
ExistentialDread 9y ago
Yes, but I remember another unintentionally RP interview with J.K. Rowling where she admitted that IRL, someone like Hermione would have never settled for someone like Ron Weasley.
smartphone9 9y ago
In the books she's not so good looking. Emma Watson is hot as fuck which confuses the issue
myhairsreddit 9y ago
Really? I only ever read the first book, (seen all of the movies as of late) and the second I watched her be shitty to Ron on the train in the first movie I knew they'd eventually end up together. They're exactly the types I expect to be together.
ShinyBrah 9y ago
It's funny you sat that actually. JK Rowling admits that she doesn't think Ron and Hermione would be together and that she would have pursued Harry.
oldredder 9y ago
Right, which is the obvious setup the whole time until it isn't. And that Emma Watson... man she turned out quite delicious.
randomchaos1 9y ago
She did it for the surprising plot twist no writer can resist. They don't care about realism, just telling the audience "haha, fooled you!"
usul1628 9y ago
Stuff like this is why I disliked Harry Potter after the third book. You're not clever JK, and these books don't need to be Atlas shrugged length.
Smekiz 9y ago
Shit, i would read Harry Potter even if it was 5k pages, and his parents never died. Fucking love her writing lol
fnordsnord 9y ago
She must have done something right. She can afford to heat a castle in Scotland.
2comment 9y ago
Good for her. All it really says though is she can write something that sells. And the taste of the masses is questionable at best, not to mention all the bandwagoning that goes on, the snowball effect is often a much more powerful draw than the underlying piece of work whose author happily profits from it.
I wouldn't base any world views on what happens in a fictional novel though.
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Mylittleponee 9y ago
Don't be ginger and ugly, be blond and attractive?
bluedrygrass 9y ago
You mean don't be like this?
https://www.google.it/search?q=attractive+ginger&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1iWbVN70BKHnywOSw4DQCw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=661#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=kthyT_aGeeZu9M%253A%3BwdaZEcIHgEUbhM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fd.fastcompany.net%252Fmultisite_files%252Ffastcompany%252Fimagecache%252F620x350%252Fposter%252F2014%252F09%252F3035337-poster-p-1-thomas-knights-red-hot.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.brunchnews.com%252Ffast-company%252Fgeneral-news%252Frebranding-the-male-ginger-as-a-hottie-1657360%3B620%3B350
Junkis 9y ago
Don't forget the poor and rich thing there too hah, draco is racking up smv
osborne_cox 9y ago
This post aroused my curiosity as my gf is an avid Harry Potter fan. I off-handedly asked her what she thought of Draco's character. Her: "He's a douche. He doesn't man up and help Voldemort or switch sides and help Harry. He just cries."
What she finds most disgusting isn't his lack of morality, rather the fact that in the end all he does is show emotional vulnerability. I don't think I could've fabricated a more RP response myself.
reddiforlove 9y ago
I remember being so shocked as a kid that girls felt that way about Draco. He literally was written to represent everything that is wrong with the world and to have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He wasn't intelligent, physically strong, or talented in any way. Looking back, it's actually hilarious how RedPill affirming the situation actually is.
As long as you have resources and hold frame, women couldn't care less what type of a person you are. It's a safe bet that the majority of women would be more likely to break up with a guy who got laid off than a guy who cheats on them and uses them as a punching bag.
choikwa 9y ago
fucking politics and mindgames - the things that attract women. Power.
troahey 9y ago
I would love to see a study on this.
xwm 9y ago
Personally I never heard of this before and its a bit surprising to me because he always came across as more "whiny little bitch" than "rich kid who holds frame" to me.
reddiforlove 9y ago
I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. My guess would be the fact that he is a rich kid who holds frame gives him a pass on being whiny little bitch in girls' eyes. Despite the fact that he fails at everything he does, he never loses assurance of his own superiority.
It sounds like Rowling wrote him that way to show that there were indeed no heart of gold or redeeming factors in him and it backfired.
brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
Agreed 100%, Draco has few if any alpha traits. Whiny, smarmy, daddy's boy trust-fund kid, he pretty much runs away crying when Hermione hits him and pussies out in front of the Death Eaters. His dad might qualify as a DT alpha, broadly speaking.
Anyway, analyzing RP traits in fictional characters is a pretty big waste of time, unless you're looking at fandom reactions to them (i.e. Sephiroth, Heath Ledger's Joker)
reddiforlove 9y ago
Yeah, I agree about Lucius being a full on DT alpha, Draco would have been a much more successful villain had *he inherited any of his dad's DT traits other than narcissism.
Amorevolous 9y ago
DT for sure, except for the fact that he has a raging broner for You-Know-Who.
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mister_barfly75 9y ago
I wouldn't call "whiny" an Alpha trait
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I don't know about all that. Draco was a good seeker and as far as I could tell was supposed to have done well in his classes. He get the best of Harry as much as Harry got the best of him in the books too.
reddiforlove 9y ago
From what I remember he was adequate, not good. He wasn't a complete moron, but he wasn't anywhere close to the top by merit. He probably wouldn't even have made seeker if not for his father buying the entire team new brooms, and Snape had to favor him for him to do well in Potions.
And besides for the one instance at the beginning of Book 6 where he traps Harry on the train, I can't for the life of me remember a time he bests Harry, unless you count hurling slurs at Hermione and snitching on him for breaking the rules.
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Draco held his own against Harry in book 6 when they were in the bathroom, till Harry did invisible dark magic, and he held his own against Harry during Duelling club until Snape told him to do dark magic, and then Harry did Dark magic.
I mean, Harry never outright beats Malfoy except at quidditch, that I can think of.
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genbill91 9y ago
Fucking Vegeta. Is it bad that I always slightly wanted to see Vegeta finally beat the shit out of Goku?
Mans_Right_To_Choose 9y ago
I've always identified with villains too. I think I like movies with good villains. Iago from Othello is a personal favorite (Kenneth Branaugh portrayal ftw).
Philhelm 9y ago
The villains were almost always better in cartoons and such. Who's cooler, a buff dude with a shitty medieval prince haircut or a fucking hooded skeleton? A bunch of soldiers dressed like the Village People or a terrorist leader with a raspy voice?
BlackHeart89 9y ago
Exactly the same as me. I always favored the anti-hero types and some villains.
Maybe that some subconscious shit going in my head.
reddiforlove 9y ago
It's funny you say that I write him off, because I'm also typically a fan of the "evil" characters, in fact Snape was my favorite. I can definitely relate to being a bratty kid, but I just found nothing remotely redeemable about Draco. He was a little ball of unwarranted cruelty and arrogance that contributed nothing positive to anyone else. Basic human decency seemed to be a huge struggle for him. He did have one moment of surprising competence when he trapped Harry on the train at the beginning of Book 6, but he definitely made up for that with his bumbling throughout the rest of the book. I found nothing to empathize with, as a man or otherwise.
Snape, on the other hand, had a reason for turning to evil (revenge), was probably one of the most intelligent characters in the series, had the stomach to do what was necessary, and was bitter about not getting affection from Harry's hypergamous mother, who can't empathize with that?
Dinobot was easily my favorite in Beast Wars. Vegeta was cool but never a favorite of mine, Piccolo is the greatest.
betabux 9y ago
Beast Wars was great, Dinobot was a great character.
But my favorite will always be Megatron, that charming ambitious evil leader.
Audunis 9y ago
Only Beast Wars Megatron. The other Megatrons are too incompetent.
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reddiforlove 9y ago
Hahaha, again funny you should mention that, as I am probably the biggest proponent of subs over dubs you will ever meet. It makes such a huge difference to watch something in its original language, with the voices of the actors who were cast by the producer of the show. You can definitely hear the venom just dripping from Piccolo's voice with his Japanese actor, Vegeta sounded totally different too.
Yeah, unfortunately it's easy to forget about Piccolo, he didn't get to shine much after the first two arcs or so. I haven't seen the new movies yet, but I hope he gets some good fights in them.
jagrmeister721 9y ago
Well, here are we are villifying women for being attracted to immoral shits, and quite a few men also look up to villain characters. Some people are narrow-mindedly opportunistic and put power over values; no matter what their gender.
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jagrmeister721 9y ago
Yes they are so "complex" and often have nuanced backstories, and they are mad at their daddy. They have sophisticated critiques about society, morality, corruption, the government which somehow justify their fiendish, self-serving plans. They look out for #1, don't take shit from anyone, and don't play by the rules. Both men and women are drawn to this sort of the person for the same reason; the draw of power. Ultimately, a woman's creaming over SMV is a function of social status and men gauge each other in social status terms as well. That's why tall people hang out with tall people, alphas hang out with alphas, etc. Men fall for a similar lure in other men (in terms of respect, admiration) that women fall for in men.
I however am not amused by villains. I'm not deceived by their tortured explanations for why they are violating basic moral principles in service to their self.
But you see admiration for them everywhere. When I lived in NY 25 years ago, people were infatuated with mob bosses. Never shut up about how badass they were. They are "such renegades". The anti-hero, villain, whatever variation you have checks roughly the same boxes. They are undeniably cool. Where one falls on this continuum depends on what values one was raised with and which you've kept. In a world where loyalty is a thing of the past, whether it's your corporate employer or the plates we have instead of a wife, increasingly we are headed towards a colder world in which dark triad often makes the most sense. It's no surprise to me anti-heroes, psychopathy and the like are more and more respected. Working towards a world in which everyone benefits is seen as lame, and increasingly impractical in a dog eat dog world.
I put myself first, but there are limits.
LastRevision 9y ago
"I told them, rather severely, that Draco was not concealing a heart of gold under all that sneering at prejudice."
And they all got even more turned on...
EDIT: That should read "sneering prejudice" not "sneering at prejudice"; not that it would matter to women, the right alpha can be KKK racist for all they care, so it's cute how this lady thinks pointing out the characters prejudice will change their minds.
FLFTW16 9y ago
A word about racism since you mentioned it. I am no longer afraid to be called a racist or considered a racist by the mainstream. Since I harbor red pill sentiments I am at risk for being publicly fingered as a misogynist. When I finally came to grips with the fact that I am a thought-criminal for thinking the wrong things, it opened the door for me to explore other thought crimes.
I think even just 10 years ago there was some burden of proof that had to be met for someone to be labeled an "-ist". These are dark days in the republic, however, when we are all guilty until proven innocent. Now we are all collectively (as long as you are not black) considered a racist or a beneficiary of institutional racism that you must apologize for. With rape culture all men are considered potential rapists who must be taught not to rape and must be trained to check their privilege and limit their micro-aggression. If you are anything other than heterosexual you contribute to hetero-normative oppression of other-gendered peoples. In another age they would have argued that anyone who isn't poor is of the oppressive bourgeoisie class. In this very age, but in distant places, merely criticizing a violent religion will earn you a fatwa against your life for insulting Islam. Now Islam, despite not being a race, is used to point the finger against people who warn about its results.
I say bullshit to all of it. There are functional reasons for racism-lite, as laid out in this article 'White Privilege as Normative Commons'. I say the whole world is made up of crabs in a bucket. Each tribe, each religion, each special group vying for power over the others. Just as the Jews promote their own people, and Blacks protest for and support their own people, and the Chinese and Latinos and Palestinians and all people in all corners of the world help and support their own people, so too do I support Europeans unabashedly without apology. It is white European gentile men that created a society with respect for all religions, with individuals rights, with property rights, with self-governance, with checks and balances within government, where you are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers, etc etc etc. All of these things are the ingenious inventions of my people. The more we surrender to other tribes, and poisonous ideologies the less and less our civilization is fit to live in.
According to the zeitgeist I am a misogynist, racist, classist, ableist, heteronormative, self-righteous prick. I say thanks, I'll wear that arm band with pride if I have to. Anything to differentiate myself from the scum that diligently chisels away at the foundations of a civilization that took 1000 years to construct.
Blemish 9y ago
I believe people like you give the red pill a bad name.
We should have no room in this subreddit for people who are racist.
My 5 cents.
PaneerTikaMasala 9y ago
Funny because you thought I was white. This guy is a racist
Blemish 9y ago
Bro I am entertained. You went through my comment history and made the same reply 13 times
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VivaCheeseWhiz 9y ago
This is the sad conclusion I've come to. If women want to paint me as an intolerant pig, I will play the role. The image below is from a Jizzabelle article that I won't link to so as not to give them traffic. I think they must edit the comments because all that I saw was 'tollllerance" and "understanding" from the very same "good" whites that she's chastising. It makes me want to tie a noose around my neck and kick the chair
http://i.imgur.com/a8ZiOG8.jpg
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Actually, no. The mongol khanate was extremely accepting of people practicing different religions-this is very well documented (and other cultures as well, there's a reason why the Khanate was so diverse in the first place. Aside from all the rape, they were generally pretty accepting of the people they conquered). I'd wager people of other racial groups would have made a society akin or better than some european variants given time or better circumstance.
Also, most of Europe's humanist ideals came out of the renaissance, which mostly blew up due to increased exposure to different cultures, materials, philosophies, and technology (trade) with the east.
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Actually no, we Muslims had that covered long before Europeans ever did. The Rashidun, Umayyad, and Abbasid caliphates respected and protected the rights of Jews and Christians while their European counterparts were burning people alive for heresy..
TheGentlemanZombie 9y ago
Too bad you cut off the heads of infidels in modern times
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soccerplusaviation 9y ago
You are right about how people support their own race, religion etc. But your not any different from anyone else by promoting your own ancestry. That puts you at their level. Be objective, Rise above the masses and see that various aspects of democracy and technology came from all over the world, not from the minds of Europeans alone.
And yes Europeans have created societies that bring out the best in humanity. But people had to give their lives to, to fight against the oppressive regimes to create the North America and Europe we see today. The arab world is under going similar changes. Since the mid twentieth century People are giving the middle finger to dictatorships and monarchies. Change like that takes time.
Lastly, yeah we live in a free society. But don't forget why TRP exists in the first place.
pl231 9y ago
like associates with like. people are just more comfortable with people that are similar to them. this occurs, visually, audibly and probably tactilely. I don't get why people have a hard time with that. it's not racism, it's just normal behavior for any organism.
superyay 9y ago
Europeans were actually behind in terms of technology and advancement until they received gunpowder from China. That's when they turned it into a weapon and used it against native people to oppress, rape, and steal. Hey, if we're talking truth, this IS what happened.
Also, I find it pretty ironic that you have such a strong sentiment towards the advancement of white people, yet you have extremely antiquated thinking. In today's globalized society, your thinking is a one-way road to close-mindedness and bitterness that will just get worse as you age.
Yeah, they support their own NATION. You think some random Italian gives a fuck about an angry white American? Get real, son. If you honestly think that just because you share similar features that you'll be well-received, you are severely misguided. You may have european roots, but you are not european - don't delude yourself. Basically, you're batting for the wrong team.
It's clear you've clouded your mind with racist thoughts due to the negative press that white people have gotten these past few years, and the identity crisis issues that come with being white. I get it. But you are completely wrong in thinking that Chinese in China give a fuck about Chinese-Americans and Blacks in Africa give a fuck about African-Americans. You've got a serious case of "us vs them" mentality and it's one that everyone on this sub knows leads to unnecessary amounts of anger, which inhibits growth. You need to seriously take a break from the press and the Internet and just get out of the house more.
gamerdouche 9y ago
Looks like the jidf made it to trp
J3w1sh_NeoCon 9y ago
...Do you actually believe that? Let me guess, you're American?
FrontierPsychologist 9y ago
as opposed to what the native people were doing to each other before Europeans got there?
or is your version of history one where native people had a utopia, and never fought or raped each other, and the territory that the white man "stole" wasn't constantly changing hands between them?
You've watched a little too much Pocahontas buddy.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Europeans were still the most advanced, safe and intellectually rich countries way before the knowing of the gunpowder. And the progresses provided by the white race, in every sector of knowledge, technology, philosophy, freedom etc., are simply unreachable by any other race or country.
Seishuu 9y ago
I'd like to see a source for that, most of these things, I think, were not created by Western/North Europeans. Things like freedom of religion, individual rights and property rights particularily
BlackHeart89 9y ago
In reality, a lot of those things were created by people from all over the world. The race really doesn't matter since people of all races had to sweat and bleed to bring these things to fruition.
But most people try to pick out a part that mentions their particular race and decide to run with it.
Schindog 9y ago
That is essentially Hitler's justification. Look up his thoughts on Aryans and Lebensraum.
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From what I understand (little), Hitler used this as proof that ONLY whites could be "producers of culture", whereas the poster above only suggests that they created the "best" culture.
J3w1sh_NeoCon 9y ago
Only Germanics, he had mixed feelings about Latins and Slavs. Though the racial classification of European races was a bit more complex.
His way of thinking is more like that of white nationalists like the founding fathers of the US, instead of someone who wasn't a white nationalist (Hitler).
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bad_pattern2 9y ago
there was a civil war fought by white european gentile men to stop slavery if you didn't notice
apartheid is a natural inclination of any society with distinct cultural groups living side by side. again because groups act in their group interest in aggregate. integration was the bigger crime, where politicians refused to act in the interest of those who elected them
also didn't know eli whitney was black. or is he just an honorary black?
didn't know genghis khan was white. maybe you should brush up on your world history
racism is power plus privilege. educate yourself
nice anecdote. we're talking about groups here. no one with eyes in their head believes cultural groups don't favor their own over outsiders. except maybe the holier-than-thou status signaling SJW shitheads like yourself. you're a suicidal embarassment to the thousands of generations that endured and toiled so that you, their descendant, and not some random citizen of the world or some other goddamn species, might live in a better world
2comment 9y ago
Eli Whitney is credited with the mechanical cotton gin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Whitney
superyay 9y ago
You have good points, yet get downvoted. This sub has serious racial insecurity issues.
Blemish 9y ago
Yeah I am learning this now as well.
This sub contains many racists.
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bluedrygrass 9y ago
The hamster is strong in minorities. Think about it, "minorities" (not so minorities anymore) acts exactly like feminists and the like. Cognitive dissonance, incoherence, blaming else for anything, whining, pretending to be treated better, basing their actions on offended feelings, etc., etc...
What does this shows? There's someone who subcontiously realises to be worse and to not be willing to behave and be responsible as much as their "privileged" counterparts.
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TimPartendale 9y ago
Holy shit that long ass post seemed to come out of nowhere; I didn't expect to read that when clicking a link about Malfoy.
Spaniards are European yet some of them wouldn't be classified as white. Likewise, you list a good slew of things produced by Europe however you exclude the myriad of inventions, technologies and ideologies created by others which aid the world in general. This isn't an us versus them mentality; this is a human race mentality.
87GNX 9y ago
In truth "white" is extraordinarily flexible. In the 1800s people tried to define themselves as white; it was an ideal to strive to. The Irish and Italians weren't originally considered white, but they worked at it and now they are.
Now, in the age of social justice, there's a flight from white as no one wants to be shut down with the dreaded "privilege" wand.
Note also that it can be a term of convenience... George Zimmerman was of largely Peruvian descent, but as soon as he shot Trayvon it was all about being "white hispanic." Everything must fit The Narrative.
J3w1sh_NeoCon 9y ago
The Irish and Italians were white, as they were allowed to immigrate. Only white people were allowed to immigrate from 1790 to 1965.
87GNX 9y ago
The national origins quotas only date to 1918 & 1924. Everything else was patchy.
---Chinese immigration was virtually wide-open from the start of railroad-building in the 1840s until the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882
---Japanese immigration was wide open from 1853 (when Commodore Perry entered Tokyo Bay) until 1907 (the "Gentleman's agreement").
---German Jews (predominantly upper-middle class) have always been allowed, including post-1924. The national origins quotas primarily effected eastern European Jews (predominantly lower-middle class). This has somehow been transmogrified into "anti-semitism" as the post-1945 diaspora attempts to retcon previous inter-Judaic infighting and discrimination as all the result of white outsiders.
J3w1sh_NeoCon 9y ago
That wasnt't immigration. Those were lavourers who were xpected to be sent back. WIth immigants I'm reerring to people who came to the US to live there and to be naturalized.
These Chinese and Japanese weren't considered American until somewhere in the first half of the 20th century where through an act of congress they were naturalized.
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87GNX 9y ago
Right. We didn't elect a Catholic president until 1960... and then he gets shot halfway through.
Back, and to the left.
Back, and to the left.
Red_King_Rising 9y ago
It's true about the Irish and Italians. The thing is as a black person you knew that no matter how you acted, how well you spoke, how much education you got and how polite or nice you were, you would never, ever ever be allowed to join the club. Never. That's just the truth.
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LastRevision 9y ago
This is more /r/DarkEnlightment, but fuck it. What gets me isn't the unabashed nationalism Jewish people, etc, display but the overt demonization of nationalism in white Christians... accoridng to the miansteam/progressive/blue pill/catherdral, however you want to label the same concept, the mainstream idea is that White Christians are the WORST SCUMBAG PIECES OF SHIT when, guess what, they are the only people who are KIND ENOUGH to put aside in-group interest and nationalist belifs in order to do WHATS RIGHT AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
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Do you know what's ironic? That multiculturalism is an in-group survival strategy itself created by the Jewish intellectual elite. Why? Because Jews were the most persecuted group of people in history, and by weakening the social cohesion of other nations they preserve their own. There are even books on that topic.
t21spectre 9y ago
The think you mean /r/DarkEnlightenment
FLFTW16 9y ago
You are corrent this is definitely a Dark Enlightenment topic. It intersects with TRP because every Klan, Nazi, Black Panther, gang leader, etc is sexually successful. Why is this? Because if a man is willing to take something for his in-group, women want to be in his in-group. It is really that simple, and yes, women really are that simple and pragmatic. If you are a bourgeoisie factory owner who oppresses workers for your own enrichment, women want to be in your camp because they will share in your success. If you are fighting for your race because you want your tribe to conquer the world and rule over others, women want to be the queen to your king. The world is a shitty place that requires men to act in self-interested ways and there is quite a bit of self-interest in maintaining your racial/ethnic/religious/ideological power.
RatherPlayChess 9y ago
It intersects with TRP because "The red pill" has always meant "the hard truth."
jeansaddiction 9y ago
People forget this and tend to only associate trp with women. It's so much bigger than that
waylandertheslayer 9y ago
The worst country for (lack of) national pride is Germany. There's a reason they like football so much - if they wave their flag around for any other reason all the European countries flinch and accuse them of reverting to Nazis. They still own all of the EU though, although why Germany wants it is beyond me.
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If you've been following the news recently, it's been slowly changing. Admittedly, this is against Islamofascism and not Cultural Marxism as such, but one front at a time.
2comment 9y ago
They don't really own all of EU, they just have to pay for it.
GC0W30 9y ago
They're the EU's beta bux orbiter?
kickit 9y ago
This is a sublime misinterpretation of European politics
BlackHeart89 9y ago
Damn.
With that being said. I never understood why anyone had to choose sides if it isn't necessary.
I agree with everything you're saying. But I personally don't only encourage my own race. I support all races.
RamblinRambo 9y ago
Then you might as well give up life. Your task is to ensure that your kind lives on. If you fail at that, you fail as a human and are hence quite frankly useless.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
I care not about what you see my task in life to be. After I die, is no problem of mine. I fail at life when I fail at accomplishing the goals I set for myself. Damn what everyone else thinks. The fuck? Lol
RamblinRambo 9y ago
You should care. You'd not be here or have what you have if people didn't think about the next generation.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
I care, but its not my prime objective. Before I can concern myself with the future and well-being of others, I'm taking care of myself. On some points, taking care of myself will help others and those in the future. But again, concerning myself about things after I die isn't at the top of my list of priorities.
qiang_shi 9y ago
Thought crime, double speak. While I don't hold the same religious values as Orwell, I do hold him in high regard for writing about where he believed society was heading.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Don't take this as gospel but apparently Orwell mingled in political circles and they were planning the police state in the 1940's, hence all his predictions. They're not really predictions when you have confirmation/declared intent from important politicians, more like insights. A lot of people think he had profound insight and somehow just saw into the future, but in reality (if what I heard is correct) he had much more concrete knowledge to work from for constructing his classic dystopic novel.
TomHicks 9y ago
What happened to your tag? Its gone.
jeansaddiction 9y ago
That's pretty interesting. Don't mean to be that guy, but where did you hear that? Not that I don't believe you but I'd love to read more about it if possible
runnerrun2 9y ago
Protocols of the Elders of Zion was written prior to 1900, none of these ideas were all that revolutionary or new.
jeansaddiction 9y ago
from wiki:
holy shit!
runnerrun2 9y ago
Yeah if you look at it in historical context, "1984" was probably one of the things that made it through the test of time because it didn't blame jews specifically. I only really came about this aspect of world history when I tried to make more sense of ww1 and ww2. These things aren't secrets but noone's volunteering the information in any official manner either.
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niggertron9000 9y ago
WTF am I reading.
Muhammad also fucked children, I guess that makes him a great liberal and kindred spirit. /s
Tilting_Gambit 9y ago
I'm guessing your second language is English, so I'll try to read into your post more than the bad grammar otherwise deserves.
Woe to the conquered, basically. You think Europeans were the first to march into other nations and take their resources? We have text from everywhere showing that every culture, ethnic and social group did this. From Greeks to Egyptians, Chinese, Mongols, Indians, etc. etc. Your point is that Europe was the best at it during a particular part of history? Doesn't that just demonstrate that Europe was ahead of the times technologically? Intellectually?
Let's go ahead and elect Moses as the best law maker ever. I mean, the ten commandments right? A few of those are still applicable. Muhammad spread his religion not with words, but with the sword. How do you think Islam spread across the world? It made it into Africa via conquest. He was a conqueror. And eventually, his people were beaten, overtaken and lately, rendered entirely irrelevant as global powers next to European and other Western nations.
What sub am I on? Are we thanking him for this one?
Being objective about history really isn't a big problem for me. The Chinese made gigantic leaps forward. The Japanese is a culture I have a lot of respect for. The Middle East circa 800-1200AD was worthy of a nod here and there, particularly with the sciences. Africa is fairly inconsequential, partly due to colonialism and partly due to a really poor geopolitical situation for everything south of the Mediterranean.
So uncivilised that Europe collectively defeated all those other "civilised" nations? Got it.
Woe to the conquered.
superyay 9y ago
Gunpowder was the reason for Western dominance. Gunpowder was invented in China.
Just saying.
Tilting_Gambit 9y ago
Applied to perfection in Europe.
NS_white 9y ago
I apologize as a white person for invading Africa's great nothingness and oppressing them with modern infrastructure.
Blemish 9y ago
Wow.
I am speechless at your level of ignorance.
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TimPartendale 9y ago
No need to apologize. You just should acknowledge that Europeans killed their people, oppressed them and most importantly stole natural resources which could've maybe bettered Africa instead of the colonizers.
Edit: the down voters are just delusional and they're thinking with their emotions instead of their logical brains. For instance, the Belgians went to the Congo and committed genocide to the tune of 10 million people [NSFW]. This is honestly Hitler-status; do you honestly believe the Africans enjoyed or needed the European presence? Let's not even mention the French idea of colonization during before/during the 20th century.
Do you know there are people who claim the holocaust never occurred? That's essentially what you're doing here. That's how foolish you look.
Blemish 9y ago
Just letting you I fully support the points you make.
Its amazing that the red pill followers are so ignorant and racist.
Ebenezer_Wurstphal 9y ago
lol. Have you seen Rhodesia or South Africa in the last twenty years? Those people only know how to turn a place to shit.
NS_white 9y ago
African countries that were colonized did better than those that weren't.
TimPartendale 9y ago
The Nazis also rightfully believed they were doing good to the malnourished lands they conquered. They were only expanding their living space for the Arian race, the superior beings, of course. If the Nazis were successful they would justify their conquest in exactly the same manner, "We only improved the Balkans, before us they were technologically, politically and socially inferior. Look at them now!"
Likewise, you're asserting that "modern technology" is inherently better than human lives. The thing about your statement is that it's still too early in human history to deem that as correct. Rome wasn't build in a day and Europeans only recently militarily left Africa. For example, France left Algeria in the 50's.
I cannot link to other parts of reddit, but you might enjoy reading a posted titled as the following in the badhistory subreddit:
"Europeans fucked up a lot of stuff but they also helped a lot as well": Why we can't re-colonise Africa for fear of being called racists, why Africans have starved themselves, and why European imperialism brought Africa "forward in history"(???)
I'm not even African... or European. I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud to be white OR European. This is a post about historical facts, not politically correct shamming. I discussed this topic thoroughly in my French courses and would like to keep the discussion fair.
NS_white 9y ago
I see what youre saying. However what I want you to know from this is that conquering of land is not a white only thing. People make it seem as though whites are objectively evil, conquering poor tribals and slaughtering them. The fact of the matter is that all humans did, its just that whites did in more recent times and a lot better than everyone else.
In addition you have to think how many lives were saved by modern technology versus the primitive healthcare (read: witch doctors) that was previously in place.
TimPartendale 9y ago
Yeah, I actually went to Africa on a Medical trip and aided some the communities by providing healthcare. Things are getting better, but there's still a ways to go.
True, you're right. My problem isn't the idea that European or whites are evil, they aren't. It's that they overplay how their aid and humanitarian efforts help meanwhile they neglect how the colonized benefit the home nation. These countries wouldn't spend resources colonizing lands if it did not help their bottom line somehow (politically, socially, economically, militarily, what not). Remember the France + Algeria example? Algeria actually sent soldiers to aid their colonizers (the French) during World War 2. The Algerian's aid in France is often overlooked in textbooks or History Channel documentaries. Sorry, I'm rambling now so I'll wind this down... happy holidays.
NS_white 9y ago
Alright I see what you are saying. Take care buddy
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LastRevision 9y ago
Appeal to authority fallacy.
She had Hermione marry Ron, after all.
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LastRevision 9y ago
Huh?
Just because she made $1 billion writing children's books doesn't mean that she has innate red pill knowledge of what girls find attractive. There are plenty of people who are very successful and wealthy who are extremely blue pill.
Any little girl reading Harry Potter wanted hermione to marry Harry, but she thought they wanted to see Hermione marry the nice guy Ron.
runnerrun2 9y ago
She knows what's up. She's simply doing what she excels at: to frame things in a way that will appeal to people's likes and sensitivities, because that's a big part of being a succesful writer. There is no wilful deceit on her part though, this is the way she naturally presents information. But again, she knows what's up.
LastRevision 9y ago
If the character was just an asshole, okay, but it is far down the red pill rabbit hole to think that a "racist" character could be attractive.
runnerrun2 9y ago
Honestly I didn't know he was racist, didn't read the books and didn't take that away from my half-eye viewing of the movies.
What I said was about his properties that I think are called Dark Triad.
LastRevision 9y ago
I'm with you in not having read Potter, but I've dated enough girls who like this bullshit to know a bit about it....
I think the Draco character is supposed to represent racism in the books because he hates on half wizard/half human characters, which the real life equivilant would be hating other races or mixed races; not "pure white" races.
There is no way this lady wrote the character to be attractive; she wrote him to be an asshole and it so happens that assholes are what girls find attractive. Remember, most women are NOT aware of their nature or what they find attractive. While this lady wrote a successful kids book, that does not imply a high level of social intelligence.
No way she wants to think that women are capable of looking past racism, or even being TURNED ON by it.
runnerrun2 9y ago
I disagree, it's the cornerstone of the skill required to accomplish that feat.
I agree that she surely didn't write him to be attractive though. But she's far too smart to be surprised by it.
It is interesting to note that a whole lot of movies struggle with the conundrum of their supposedly unsympathetic alpha asshole character who is the antagonist of the beta hero actually outshining him to the neutral observer.
If you start to pay attention to this you'll see how they deal with it. Typically they go out of their way to discredit the alpha by suddenly making him behave uncharacteristically weak, cowardly and petty, letting him go through great misfortune (which we then assume made him a loser afterall) or just plain killing him off so he's out of the picture. Or their favorite, he suddenly 'sees the error of his ways' and betas it up, killing his own attractiveness!
Trust me on some level all these writers are aware of these things. They're just really good at masquerading it for the audience.
RedRisingHood 9y ago
Draco Malfoy was one of the few genuinely interesting and well developed characters.
Whilst he had privilege, he was also emotionally abused by his parents, saw his family get destroyed etc, it was like the classical narcissitic injury which creates that kind of fucked up, but actually very fascinating person.
Compare with Harry, Hermione and Ron, they are all boring as a fuck, Harry is the guy who has everything handed to him and never really had to get his hands dirty. Hermione is just some libtarded nerd girl and Ron is the pauper with a heart of gold (pretty cliched stereotype) who looks like Ed Sheeran.
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NotQuiteRedPill 9y ago
Slug and Bozo were busy picking on everyone, as well as running over children with their car. It turned their women on immensely.
Melvin, on the other hand, was a 98lb weakling. He didn't have sex until after the transformation and started literally bashing in heads.
Oh... Wait. That wasn't Harry Potter. That's The Toxic Avenger. :P
CrimsonCapsule 9y ago
This is interesting.
Draco is a coward. Rich, handsome, but childish and whiny. Weak.
My guess is that he seems easy to control for women. He gives off that kind of vibe — like you could just pretend to like him and suck him off a few times, and soon he'd be holding your purse while you shop for poodle collars.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Or simply, you are judging him by male moral standards. Women don't really have morals, to be a coward isn't inherently a bad thing if you are good in other aspects. Malfoy is a bastard, a vampire, an assassin. Women are like that, that's also why they like it.
Doriphor 9y ago
Probably because their dads beat their moms.
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