The 5 love languages talked about in this book are
- Words of Affirmation
- Acts of Service
- Receiving Gifts
- Quality Time
- Physical Touch
This isn't meant to be an advertisement for this book, but I wondered what TRP thought about it.
I like hearing Words of Affirmation and getting Physical Touch.
Most women like Receiving Gifts and Quality Time.
Acts of Service are how I like to express my appreciation of others. If I have a friend that is in need of help, my helping him with an Act of Service shows my friendship. It's important to me that I do this. I enjoy doing things for other people, especially when they can't do those things for themselves.
There's lots of crap in this book that's just flat-out wrong. (More communication is probably not going to help your relationship problems at all) But I think there's some wisdom to be gleaned from the basic premise.
edit: holy crap this blew up. Thanks for all the responses everyone.
edit 2: The conclusion reached after reading responses is that the 5 languages is 90% blue pill.
deadally 10y ago
I've actually found it helps to rationalize the feelings of people and get at the heart of why they respond the way they do.
For example, I couldn't care less about receiving gifts. For me, it's all about touch, and if I haven't gotten that, then I feel unfulfilled in my relationship. On the other hand, my wife responds more to quality time and acts of service, so I can get further with those than with a blowjob.
But it carries over out of the romantic, as well. My mother-in-law is a phenomenal gift giver, and she is the most responsive person to gifts I know. It really helps in analyzing people, because they're going to tend to express themselves solipsistically. I have a better relationship with my father now that I understand that we don't express ourselves in the same way. Now I can focus on what really matters.
So all in all, I think the naming convention is a bit wonky, and it's not perfect. But it's a useful framework for long-term relationships with family, friends, and lovers.
EGOtyst 10y ago
This. Too often people here are wrapped around the language rather than the message.
The message of this book is not "fawn over your wife to make her love you."
It is more in line with "people respond to different stimulus differently."
I realize that a lot of people in this sub hate on LTRs. That is fine, I understand the sentiment. However, if you are in an LTR, and do see value in them, then you should realize PUTs and lip-service Alpha-ism are not a long-term strategy.
If you find a woman who's company and life you legitimately value, and you engage in a LTR, being a dick all the time is going to result in divorce. Plain and simple.
This book is a bit hippy-dippy in its language. However, it does provide great insight to the way your wife perceives value, specifically your evaluation of her.
It also is a great blue-print to provide her a method to consistently show that she values you.
Anderfail 10y ago
It's mostly bullshit because what women say they want and what they actually want are totally different things. I wouldn't put much stock into it because catering your actions to what a woman says they want is the quickest way to ensure she thinks of you as a beta and kills any attraction she has for you.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
It isn't those things themselves - it is whether you do them within frame, or without it. They can all be done while holding frame. Doing them without holding, is pure beta.
Hideydid 10y ago
There are perhaps some useful ways to think about things in this way. But I once was suckered into completing a personality/love language test by the mother of an ex long distance LTR. Probably don't need to say it, but don't do that.
inyostink 10y ago
The first time I had seen or heard of this book was when I was over a buddy's house and he was giving me the tour of his new home. When he showed me the master bedroom, there was the book sitting on the night stand. When I had asked him about it, he said his wife had urged him to read it. To provide a little context, they had only been married for six months. As soon as I saw it I knew it was a big red flag. Six months later my buddy calls me up practically in tears talking about how shitty his wife treats him. My bud reads the 5 love languages, implements some of the ideas espoused in the book, and he ends up catching his wife on a recording (nanny cam) talking to one of her friends about what a piece of shit he is and how he's a worthless husband, which couldn't be further from the truth. The book to me seemed like the BB blueprint.
lloopy 10y ago
So this is the whole point of bringing it up here.
I don't think that you should cater to your girl's every need. But you should know what it means when she does stuff. It might be stuff that means absolutely nothing to you, but you should know her intent behind it.
For me, if there's not a lot of sex (physical touch is so much nicer on the hamster's ears), then it's not a successful relationship. I also like to know that I'm appreciated. This is my beta need for validation. She likes gifts and quality time. So if I give her my time (my most valuable asset) then I had better be getting sex.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
No, it's more like Marxism. Allow me to explain. Marx was 100% spot on in his critique of capitalism. You can't argue against it. Now extrapolating from that analysis, Marx comes up with communism as the answer. Which was clearly the wrong answer. But the fact that he was wrong about how to solve the problems of capitalism doesn't diminish his incisive dissection of capitalism's problems. This book and others like it get the communication stuff exactly right. You need to communicate in a way the other person understands. But WHAT you are communicating, aka all the shit that comes after it, is dead wrong.
Another way of thinking about it is I need to get information to someone else. I can send that info by radio, TV, or internet. Which should I pick? Well, the right answer is clearly dependent on whether the person on the other end has a radio, a tv, or a computer. That is 100% independent of the content of my message.
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the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Actually, there has never been a Marxist communism, as described in his writings. Never. So we don't know that it doesn't work.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
Whatever. >_> You still get my point. Also we do know that history didn't play out as he anticipated, as capitalism became tempered by socialism and became fairly stable. He predicted capitalism would give rise to communism after a massive accumulation of wealth. That has not happened.
bigsexyman 10y ago
The problem with this book is that is assumes women (whom have never really been challenged in their life) have the introspectiveness to know what their language is.
But you might. MY SO (I will probably asking a Q or 2 on her later, suffice it to say my life is fucking interesting and tragic right now) and I read the book, I picked up on my love languages right away. She gave me 2 bs answers probably based on how she wants to be perceived.
Part of TRP is cutting through this veil of BS all women have. We know from biology women like to be dependant on their man, that means gifts make them feel special. But this area is laden with BP's.
The other inroad is quality time. I think this is the area worth exploring. As she likes spending "Quality" time together, your time must be of value or it loses its quality. Also it stands to reason that if she feels love by spending quality time with you, she needs to spend the time, not you. So her more valued time is taken up by you, which happens to be your least valued time.
Just my take.
ROIVeritas 10y ago
Not just your take bruh, empirically verifiable.
This is why extra medium sized t-shirt guy with hair gel in the gym, leaving puddles of grease on every bench, doesn't understand why the HB plate who at first gave him play, rescinds all attraction for him after the ONS.
His time is not quality time. Not when the dark triad loner who could give 2 shits because he knows he's got what women want, looks intelligence, and the application of this amalgam to work to his advantage.
Sorry hair gel guy, your plate is getting deboe'd by me, and done that very night. And you know what? She's going to come back for seconds thirds and fourths, even fifths. This actually happened to me.
Why? Because I didn't care about what she thinks. I'm smarter than her. At the core of it all, motive is an afrodesiac, and motive and incentive come from being rational.
Why did I want to get with her? Because she looks great. Why did she want to get with me? She didn't know yet, that's why she stuck around.
Why did she slam fake alpha hair gel whore BB? Because he was a male slampiece to her. Why was she not interested in seconds? Because his time was too easily attained, his interest too easily held.
He went back to her trying to talk her up, she ignored the shit out of him. She found him childish and annoying. He came to introduce himself to me after I had attained her interest, and only then.
Why was he trying to be cool with me now? Because I had gotten and held on to, what he could easily attain, but not keep. Easy come, easy go. Prior to that he wore that smug lil, Im a pretty boy look that gets dudes robbed and then shot in certain avenues and alleyways.
Don't sleep on aloofness. If you're naturally aloof, you guys know what I mean. Withhold attention until absolutely necessary.
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My ex wife believed in that bullshit. That's why she's now my EX wife.
[deleted] 10y ago
Such a fucking solid promotion of good conversation. Really thought out post and I TOTALLY understand why you feel that it's bullshit.
Get the fuck out of here.
Rugnardl 10y ago
I see and understand your sarcasm, and it surprises me that you have upvotes. My ex got this shit for "us" too, and it's still sitting on my shelf unread, at least by me. First, it's just whenever she would bring things up to "fix" our relationship, I was always totally fine with how things were going. I didn't see any problems that needed fixing. I could already tell that whatever she was bringing to me was something propagandized to her by her girlfriends and that she fell for it hook, line and sinker. So she brings this new "truth" to me to get me on board, but honestly, I could give a fuck less about what her fucking friends think. Second, women love to label things. They love to have unique labels, love to compare labels, love to act like these labels matter. They don't have actual personalities of their own, so they look towards personality tests and relationship tests and books like this so they can wear a shiny INFP (or whatever that shit is) or "words of affirmation", and this is an attempt at introspection, an attempt to reconcile a legitimate personality. But the attempt is lazy. It's the same thing to me as over diagnosing with mental illness. How many times have you heard a girl say some stupid shit about her disorders? It's an easy way to cobble together something interesting about themselves, without doing the actual mental struggling that comes with figuring out who you are. Besides, the only labels I need are Man, and Human. I'll fill in the fucking gaps.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Don't be surprised. It added literally nothing to the conversation. The post you just made to explain it would have.
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/u/the_red_scimitar said everything I needed to.
Rugnardl 10y ago
He was lamenting the uselessness of your comment, and the opposite of mine. You're confused.
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I applies either way, daft punk.
UrsusG 10y ago
Naming anything "languages of love" reeks of hippy dippy bullshit written either by or for women, or both, and/or devised to obscure reality for the purpose of pushing an agenda.
Distrust mode engaged.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
It's true though. I am very much a physical person, and I need to have physical contact to feel engaged with someone. And I'm not just talking sex. I have two brothers, one of whom is also very physical and we play fight and box each other all the time. My other brother is very anti-physical and when we try to include him, he feels like we are picking on him rather than trying to include him in the fun. You have to understand how the other person needs to feel love and not force your own preferences on them.
8thhenry 10y ago
That's is where women fail in relationships.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
Men too. You have to give the other person what they want in order to get what you want.
greatmikeshark 10y ago
I like how it is receiving gifts. Does that mean that I can just wait for the bitch to give me gifts?
antariusz 10y ago
Spending "quality time", giving gifts, doing favors, and constantly praising a woman is the fastest way to get her to NOT love you.
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Yes if you constantly do all these things it will fail.
That's not what its about.
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ROIVeritas 10y ago
Holy crappin crap! Friggin paying 450 bucks for half a pair of ripped jeans, and its all justifiable, because the TV told her so.
Women are both targets of marketing strategies, and the proprietors of it. Over inflated crap priced this way for women is destroying families.
Women skip lunch, starve themselves and get bloated, all so they can save their money to buy jewelry and clothes every other day, while their kids wear the same shit to school for years. Its friggin disgusting, and we men wish you women were stronger in that respect.
Not all women are this way, and there are some men who are spend whores, but the vast majority of women act like birds attracted to shiny things, while they themselves are dull.
lloopy 10y ago
To generate the feels, 5 little gifts might do a lot more for her than one actual nice big gift. You knowing that can help inform your decisions about how you run your relationship.
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Demonspawn 10y ago
Didn't like the book because it was very focused on women only.
His needs, Her needs is a better book that actually put some thought into what men want as well. (Yes, Virginia, Sexual Fulfillment is a need for most men in a relationship).
If you are married or in a secure LTR it's worth checking out, but otherwise it's just an exercise in understanding/figuring out what you want to evaluate how well someone fits those needs if you want to consider them for an LTR.
dicklord_airplane 10y ago
I read most of that book, and the fundamental concept is very useful. people want to receive signs of affection and attraction in different ways, and you need to be sensitive to it. learning about this stuff really helped me deal with the differences between me and my partners, and it also provides a good framework for navigating platonic and professional relationships. many of these concepts come right out of Dale Carnegie's "Making Friends and Influencing People."
for example, some people respond very positively when their partners say affirming words, like saying that they look sexy or that they really appreciate things that they do. obviously, some people don't give a shit about verbal signals of attraction and appreciation at all and need their partners to show attraction and appreciation through touching, services, or spending time together.
this is very common in relationship conflicts. a woman might say all sorts of nice, affectionate things to a guy, but he isn't happy with her and doesn't feel appreciated because he needs more physical affection or wants to see her provide services for him, like cooking meals and such. a guy might do all sorts of services for his girl and provide a good life for her, but she might not feel loved and appreciated because she desperately wants him to say that he loves her and that he think's shes sexy and amazing and whatever. people need to analyze their partners and figure out what signals of affection and attraction keep them enamored.
however, much of that book is religious blue pill garbage, as you noticed. the parts about analyzing people to find out what sorts of 'love languages' work the best are very, very useful in romantic, platonic, and professional relationships, and this should be an essential part of anyone's game, male or female. but the rest of the book is feel-good, gynocentric, politically correct nonsense.
Stand_Your_Ground_ 10y ago
Ahahaha women always unintentionally complicating love with hamstering. Seems like a desperate bid to cover up hypergamy. At the end of the day, a woman will communicate love in whatever way the alpha wants it to be communicated.
So sex.
Its really the only way to know that she still wants you and "loves" you. If your girl lowered the amount of words of affirmation for example, but still had sex, the relationship would be fine. If a girl continued to give you words of affirmation but no sex, you're done.
Oh and fuck that bullshit about "communication saving relationships" if your a guy that's basically surrendering your balls. I really REALLY hate that push for communication from relationship advisors and whatnot. Do it if you want your woman to cuckold you.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
Sex =/= love. Men and women both want to feel validated. Ask yourself this: would you rather bang an absolute 10 that constantly puts you down and says shit to get under your skin or an 8 that supports and respects you? If you are superficial, you might still take the 10 because you get your validation from external sources. Anyone who respects themselves would take the 8.
Rugnardl 10y ago
Dude, you're fucking retarded
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the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Logic and argument fallacies abound here. Your self-created choice is designed to promote your opinion only. Fail.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
Are you fucking retarded? Yes. The answer is yes.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Lol, so even though you don't refute that your logic is wrong, you attack me? More wrong argument and logic. Keep digging that hole you're in.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
I absolutely refute it. But you don't argue with a fucking 4 year old. You send them to their room. You have the mind of a 4 year old, so there is no point in try to reason with you.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
And you don't argue with somebody who has so little actual information and ability to argue intelligently, that they drop to ad hominem. Which pretty much everybody but the person doing it understands.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
Are you honestly saying that picking a hot woman who constantly belittles you is a better choice than the slightly less hot but still very attactive woman who supports your personal growth and goals? Why don't YOU explain the logic of that decision, because I don't see it. And I know you don't see it either. You just want to be a dick to people on the internet to feel better about yourself.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Honestly or not, it's not even close to what I said. Didn't think you got it.
DaegobahDan 10y ago
That's what I said, and then you apparently took issue with that. So if that's not your problem, why don't you tell the class what is?
kingofpoplives 10y ago
Perhaps BUT...
Reading and discussing this book with your LTR ranks right up there with going to couples therapy. If you think that works, you probably think appeasing works too, and relationships fail because guys don't try hard enough.
lloopy 10y ago
I agree. I don't think that there's a lot to be gained by more communication in a relationship. If she's pissed that you did something, talking about it for days sure as shit isn't going to make her less pissed.
But I think that more information is a good thing. Knowing what pushes her buttons is a good thing. Knowing what pushes your buttons is a great thing.
SWALLOWTHISPILLBITCH 10y ago
Ha! My favorite plate yammers about this shit all the time. I play into it.
For instance, I like getting massages and blowjobs. I tell her I file these under acts of service.
Meanwhile, she wants "Quality time" from me, which she hamsters as us spending time together, when in reality, us spending time together is me fucking her violently.
Let the hamster work for you.
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Zanford 10y ago
Well played. If a girl likes you enough she won't feel 'used', and she will get interested in whatever you do (your hobbies etc.) and so you can do your own shit with her helping/cheerleading and it's still 'quality time'.
Chinito_ducky 10y ago
These seem more like actions for rewarding good behavior. Doing too many would make males look needy, overly generous, and at times creepy. Scarcity is a good thing, as previous experience can show
yes_itsanalt 10y ago
I read that book with my exwife. There is a little knowledge to be taken from it.
Assuming your LTR answers the questions truthfully (if), this information can be useful to determine what kinds of actions she will respond positively to. So, for example, TRP talks about rewarding good behavior, and this can help you identify what you can do to get the most bang for the buck, so to speak. Some women like getting flowers more than other women. But to some women, saying "I'm really proud of how hard you worked on X and accomplished your goal" can be more powerful than a gift.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Almost nobody can tell you what will make them happy, because they don't know until it is underway. Asking for what things, actions, etc., will do that is almost a certain recipe for failure, if you act on it.
cheeky--kunt 10y ago
Can't imagine a man without having his "love language" being physical touch. Receiving gifts? morning blowie. Quality time? Lets get drunk and naked.
It all involves the physical contact for a man.
Talking about problems makes them worse. As a man, you have to take the action. Either it fails or passes. Just words are never worth it.
[deleted] 10y ago
I read this book and I liked it. Not sure how TRP it is but I still found it good for general relationships and understanding human nature a bit.
I would disagree with you that 'most women' value receiving gifts and quality time the most.
My current LTR values those the least. She values words of affirmation and physical touch the most. With minor preference to acts of service (damn) and quality time over receiving gifts.
In my situation, it's actually incredibly easy to make her feel loved. Lots of hugs, lots of fucks and just make her feel a bit safe from time to time.
I would say avoid women with acts of service as their main love language. They will be wanting you to clean the house, mow the law and just generally be their bitch. I conflict with women who have expectations like that.
My 'love language' is pretty simple. Acts of service, physical touch. I need rampant crazy sex sessions, sandwiches and someone to clean up my mess. Double standard? You bet. My way or highway. :-)
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I'm actually shocked how long this bullshit remained on the front page. I let it go for my own curiosity. We (the mods) have some work to do.
lloopy 10y ago
Maybe the book is just an example of letting the hamster run. I'll change the flair to BP example.