What kind of bullshit did she major in that a fuck list is considered an academic study?
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What kind of bullshit did she major in that a fuck list is considered an academic study?
Edit: Archived the article upon finding out that Deadspin is owned by Gawker. Thanks to /u/LGBTQMIAPDLOLPLPLTH for pointing that out.
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How the hell did this chick get into university?
TekkomanKingz 10y ago
This deals one powerful blow to the Femdom movement. Thanks Duke fellas for taking several blows for the team we appreciate it!
Edit - Ah shit just realized this was years ago...I wonder if this happened before or after the hooker incident?
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sir_wankalot_here 10y ago
That is fucking sick and disgusting. A SE Asian street whore has more class then her, and probably less diseases.
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DreamBoatGuy25 10y ago
What's she up to these days? Did she talk at all about the fallout from this being released? Is she still hearing about it 5 years later or is it forgotten?
sir_wankalot_here 10y ago
Are you serious ? Duke university should be renamed to Whore university ????
[deleted] 10y ago
Really? What a dipshit all the same.
WasKingWokeUpGiraffe 10y ago
Article says that many girls admit to doing this in their sorority dorms so it's not something surprising or special.
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RPthrowaway123 10y ago
Let's face it...if a guy did a write up of all the girls he fucked like this, it'd be a huge lawsuit
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That's what I was aiming at showing everyone here. There's just so much wrong with this I don't even have words.
25russianbear25 10y ago
guys what about ^^equality???
Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
Don't forget the rape accusations
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Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
"OMG he wrote that she had 4 beers before they fucked then he stuck it in her ass without asking first; it MUST be rape"
foldpak111 10y ago
Feminists are like the US military, always making up a story to butt their heads in where it ought not be butt.
aHangingChad 10y ago
That's US politicians, bud. Most of us would prefer to stay home.
bitches_be_crazy86 10y ago
Lol If a guy made a list of all the girls that he did and was specific about what they were willing to do ze feminists would be outraged
SlippyToadsWildRide 10y ago
Tucker Max actually did a really good writeup / analysis about this: http://tuckermax.me/karens-owens-and-the-duke-fuck-list/
Excerpt:
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One of the things about Tucker Max that I don't like is how blue pill some of the beliefs of the dude is. He argues in that article that women make mistakes in their youth and slut around as a reason for that, and that they should not be judged on their behavior because they didn't know any better back then.
He fails to see that past behavior is a precursor for figuring out what future behavior shall be like. If it were not, there would be no sexual predator list or career background checks. Furthermore, he fails to see that women would continue to slut around on a daily basis if their looks didn't fade away as they aged, and if they didn't lose the power of those looks. Its not a question of they not knowing any better, but rater one of they having had better looks/ the instruments through which to attract the prime men.
zarus 10y ago
Hmmmm... maybe that's a usable definition of being "exploited," not getting what you expected to get.
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Zanford 10y ago
Tucker has the alpha attitude. He doesn't hate Karen or bemoan her sluttiness (and he knows that her notch count isn't even that crazy for a modern girl), but he knows she doesn't deserve to be treated as anything more than a cum dumpster.
He also sees through the 'empowerment' lie, and finds specific smoking guns (like the fact that she gave the best ratings to the guys who treated her the least like the whore she was).
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Yeah, this man has the attitude. I'm reading his book right now, Assholes Finish First, it's like one big field report.
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You know... This is kind of gross.
The one that got the lowest grades was obviously aware of her body count, the one's who didn't treated her like a girlfriend.. I hope they used a condom.
GentleGiant350 10y ago
This is all i could think the entire time I read this.
She didn't empower herself, she degraded herself, and she didn't even realize it.
That people cannot understand that women, even sub-par women, ever ugly, fat women, can get sex pretty much any time they want to, because men will fuck whatever is available, within a certain threshold. In order to develop a high count as a woman, you've just got to open your legs to more men.
Men, on the other hand, can not have sex with anyone, anytime the way women can, and in order to develop a high count as a man, you've got to be an exceptional man in some way. That is why high counts are a point of pride for men, but a point of shame for women.
For a woman, it means she was not discerning and easy. Low value.
For a man, it means he is exceptional in some way. High value.
Feminism really needs to stop the whole "HEY, let's just be men!" thing. It is really terrible, and is going to lead to an entire generation of women who hit the wall and are absolutely miserable for it.
SMVs of men go up as they get older. SMVs of women have no where to go but down.
Until they realize this, it's just going to be unhappiness and neuroses for ever and evver.
JudgeRedPill 10y ago
Fucking brilliant. Tucker Max is Red Pill as fuck.
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garlicextract 10y ago
Tucker Max could honestly have been the RP poster boy back in his heyday
redpillspeeddate 10y ago
Yeah until he knocked up a girl and went beta as fuck. Met him in real life he's mostly a liar and went on attack against the current writers of the 'sphere. His latest project is to copy danger and play, roosh and Christian McQueen from a beta lens and wrap it in a discredited evo psych professor because his books stopped selling. I didn't know who he was until after he left when I met him, he is all hat no cattle.
FooleryCommaTom 10y ago
All hat, no cattle. I like that.
hermit087 10y ago
Was just typing this when I saw you had beaten me to it. He has red pill wisdom, and apparently was great with women even before becoming famous, but he has been been pretty much exposed as a fraud who will do anything for mainstream acceptance.
MustNotFfff 10y ago
I honestly see nothing wrong with him settling down at some point. He has fucked around more than 99.99% of men and if anyone has a right to get tired of that lifestyle, that dude does.
redpillspeeddate 10y ago
If he just settled down and disappeared that would have been fine. However, he basically ripped off everything the red pill is, sugar coated it and passed it off as his own. The girl he knocked up was cute, but barely a 7 and she had him so wrapped around her finger, I was shocked when I learned who he was.
gekkozorz 10y ago
In Feminism 3.0's quest to become an alpha male, this is probably its biggest misconception. That a chick with a high notch count is somehow just as badass as a man with a high notch count.
If a man has a high number, that means there's something really good about him. He's either charming, handsome, alpha, packing, skilled, high status, or something like that. Average Joe's don't just rack up a large number of sex partners like that. He's got to do something really, really right.
If a woman has a high number, it means she has holes in her body and she lets men stick it in them.
foldpak111 10y ago
I always thought that was funny. Like, females, stop trying to be masculine. It's just as cringe as men being feminine. Brb stay at home dad. Brb cuckold me please. Brb got punked by 120# keyboard warrior. Damn I'm a pussy magnet
balalasaurus 10y ago
Women are the gatekeepers of sex. What's in the vault becomes less valuable if everyone has a key.
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And guys are the gatekeeper of long term relationships. A true alpha woman is a woman having guys lining up to marry her - which is not the case here.
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Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
A key that opens all locks is called a master key.
A lock that is opened by all keys is called . . .a slut.
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TonySaylor 10y ago
In one of Tucker Max's books he says that, sort of... A key that opens many locks is a master key. A lock that is opened by many keys is a shitty lock...
buckfitchesgetmoney 10y ago
whoosh that's exactly the joke being made
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That's kinda what he was referring to..
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Bocaj6487 10y ago
One of my all time favorite quotes
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In fact, if it opens to most every key, it's barely considered a lock at that point.
FLFTW16 10y ago
Relevant
CloakedOrchid 10y ago
I have a female friend who tries to use her "number" as evidence that she's not only attractive, but more attractive than me, because her number (she presumes) is higher than mine.
Every time she brings it up, it makes me laugh and try to explain that it doesn't make her attractive at all, because most guys will fuck anything. She comes off as pathetic.
like_a_ghost 10y ago
I feel like this is could be a shit test. By her talking about her number she gets you to talk about yours, which she will use to determine your SMV. Have you told her your number? I'd respond with her number + 50 lol
CloakedOrchid 10y ago
I agree, and nah I've never told her. I always just raise my eyebrows and give her an "oh really?" look. She has no idea what my number is.
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No risk involved. Meaningless.
CloakedOrchid 10y ago
At that point I'd take it on a case-by-case basis, but the girl in question was exclusively getting fucked by guys, and not the most impressive ones.
AnotherLostCause 10y ago
Impressive ones is the key. If she was railed by A list actors musicians and sports stars her count could reflect value. If it was regular guys then it pretty much screams low value.
Newdist2 10y ago
Even an A-lister will waste 10 minutes on a 6/10 groupie if he wants to get his rocks off right now.
R4F1 10y ago
Getting railed by all those rich and famous personalities but she couldn't cuff a single one? That makes her worse than a slut who fucks nobodies who don't stick around.
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Even then there is no comparison. Getting laid for straight men is so hard due to enormously high supply of horny men compared to much lower demand by women.
A women getting laid with other women faces no such adverse competition. The supply and demand are pretty even in this market... same as men having sex with men.
Interestingly enough both lesbians and gays have "bathhouse" type establishments in almost every western city... people walk in and have sex with whoever is there. No such establishments exist for straight sex.... it requires more work or money than that.
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Getting sex with other women will require work. Probably a lot more work than what you are used to when it comes to sex with men. You will have to approach online or offline or find some other way to put yourself in those situations. However it will still be like shooting fish in a barrel compared to what a guy will have to go through.
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bpcPunk 10y ago
If her number is REALLY high maybe she has more holes than the average woman and is somehow able to still be alive. In that case I can see that as pretty badass.
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JFKs_Brains 10y ago
Stupid question because I'm an idiot but what would an empowered woman be like?
robostanleys 10y ago
When women aren't high status enough to hook men in to commitment, they make the mistake of seeing men as women. Because women won't have sex with men that they don't deem worthy, men will only have sex with women who they deem worthy, right? Wrong. Men will fuck anything over a certain threshold as long as nothing better is around. Whores/Sluts don't accept or understand this. They will just keep fucking hoping someone wants them.
Women will have sex with high status men as a relationship substitute. The problem is, that they keep not getting the relationship. Not so deep down they understand, every time a man they fuck doesn't want them afterwards, that they aren't good enough. Instead of stopping their behavior, they keep making the same mistake. Maybe the next one I throw my vagina at will like me....
Part of the reason these mid status women do this is because they have to. If you go into a party and 50% of the girls there are equal or better than you, you have to use something to win, right?
An empowered woman is going to be able to cultivate the attributes that men find attractive in order to have power over the sort of mate they can gain commitment from. She'll be very attractive, well maintained, and she'll respect herself. These are all attributes feminists hate you'll note.
gekkozorz 10y ago
Good question. I'll try to tackle this one.
The ultimate objective of every person on this planet, biologically speaking, is to create a legacy for him or herself. To make a solid, high quality contribution to the next generation. We don't mean to do this - it's just built into our brains automatically, thanks to centuries of evolution.
Being a good woman is different from being a good man. A good man is someone who works hard and builds something for himself. Whatever that may be. And then takes this empire he's built and he uses it to create his legacy.
A good woman is someone who acknowledges that her youth and sexuality are deadly weapons that can be used as longterm investments to build something really important, like a family, which can be said legacy.
Modern women in the western world tend to suck at this. They see how popular they can be when they're in their 20's and all the men just can't get enough of them, and they suck every bit of cheap thrill they can out of these exhilarating years. Every dark triad dick they can land, every club they can shake their ass in, every high status male they can get used as a cumrag by. They make their years from 18 to 29 a constant sex party which will never end...
...Uuuuntil it does. She hits the big three zero, the wall is upon her, and all of a sudden, she's alone and miserable. No one's paying attention to her like they once were.
So this is the part where she sinks deep into feminism 3.0, and demands that all men find her attractive again. She must have those big glory years back, dammit! She deserves it! She must be taken seriously! Anyone? Anyone...?
Basically, in short, a truly empowered woman is one who recognizes the value of longterm stability over cheap thrills.
Newdist2 10y ago
Bit of an understatement there.
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Saved this one, thanx a lot.
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They're biologically programmed for the cheap thrills.they're meant to gather alpha seed.why would they try to consolidate on investment in their prime?
Cyralea 10y ago
They're biologically programmed to actually obtain that alpha seed. They're subverting that by simply fucking them, thanks to readily available contraception.
The reality is that by following their base desires they're subverting what actually produces long-term happiness. Ask any post-wall spinster or divorced single mother.
bitches_be_crazy86 10y ago
Ohh I've been thinking about it. How do contraceptives change the world ? I mean women are programed to get impregnated by men who have masculine traits and then some choose to find a feminized beta to cohabitate and raise children. Even though they are with betas they still have tingles for masculine traits which makes it possible for them to get impregnated again while still being in relationships with betas.
That's how nature work. Now how do contraceptives change it ? It is known that hormonal contraceptives alters female sexuality - they are less attracted to masculine traits. Also how does that translate into procreating ? Are they more likely (in comparison) likely to get impregnated by a beta ? Are they more likely to be on the pill while being on CC or when near wall cohabitating with a beta ?
Cyralea 10y ago
Hormonal contraceptives is an area I have a lot of interest in, but I'm not sure I can quite make an educated opinion on it. They have the peculiar quirk of causing women to temporarily lose their Alpha Fux craving. Beta qualities become desirable. In effect, the woman's mind is functioning like a pregnant woman's -- secure a mate that can provide and protect.
The thing with it is that it's not absolute. Women still have hormonal fluxes even on contraception, though it's milder. Further, it doesn't seem to affect all women equally.
I have a theory that cities become heavily feminized once contraception use hits a critical mass. Masculinity seems toxic to a these women. There's also the theory that these hormones are getting into our water supply, and acting like an estrogen analog, further feminizing the men.
It'll be many years before there are any good studies about it.
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I don't think females are built for long term stability and happiness.they are serial monogamists,inevitably getting bored after three years or so.if they decide to go for the long haul investment,they wonder what they missed out,and if they ride the CC they cant be happy long term.no happiness can be found short of long haul for a female.
Cyralea 10y ago
There was a study that I can't find now that hypothesized that women sabotage long-term relationships because it increases their potential for procreating. By massively shit-testing she either either causes the relationship to fail, thereby freeing her for looking for new seed, or the man is strong enough to endure and demonstrates his fitness qualities.
Most behaviour that you see large-scale, particularly behaviour that transcends multiple cultures, is typically based in evolutionary biology.
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I agree with both your points.this aligns with what I see.
LGBTQMIAPDLOLPLPLTH 10y ago
First off, this is news from 2010.
http://archive.longislandpress.com/2010/10/07/karen-owen-list-karen-owen-thesis-duke-athlete-sex-list-goes-viral/
Secondly, Deadspin is part of Gawker, you should not link to them directly.
To me, the most interesting story is the one hookup where she was sober for it. Really shows how perverted the entire hookup culture is, that it's only able to be enabled when people are generally in a fucked-up mental state e.g. drugs, alcohol, etc. Almost as if (most? some?) people aren't designed (adapted? evolved?) for rampant promiscuity.
The feminist angle is almost matched by that interesting psychological note.
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Sorry, didn't know. I knew it was from 2010, but a quick search did not show it posted here. Should I delete?
LGBTQMIAPDLOLPLPLTH 10y ago
I'm not a mod, so keep that in mind.
I would replace the Deadspin/Gawker link with something else. Like go to https://archive.org/web/ scroll down and enter the Deadspin link in the box that says "save page now" and then edit your post to place the archive you create in the body.
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bsutansalt 10y ago
Keep the thread as is with the archive link. I recommend doing a follow-up article showing the double standard between how she was treated and a guy who did something very similar. IIRC he was kicked out and maybe even arrested.
StillRedder 10y ago
What article was it? Or, better, where can I find it?
bsutansalt 10y ago
Can't remember specifics. It was on /r/mensrights though.
R4F1 10y ago
This is probably the most incredible example of hamstering humanly possible. Hamster Level Over 9000.
She goes around railing studs all over campus like the slut she is, but in her mind she's convinced herself "oh yeah, itz fer science!!". She really thinks she's a field researcher gathering information and doing tests?! How she has fooled herself. Just WOW.
dherik 10y ago
I think she got stoned and watched mall rats.
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loddfavne 10y ago
When men brags about sexual expolits, there might be legal reporcussions. I wonder if she had a lawyer write up an iron-clad release form. Because pre-empting lawsuits without settlements in America is really hard. Also, I wonder if the university is liable for sexual harrasment lawsuit because they condoned this behavior creating a hostile enviroment towars men on their campus.
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Because dat's sooo sexiss when men do it. /s
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superfreak77 10y ago
Flat out thought it was a new one. This is the same from 2010! wtf FAIL.
Gold_Mouth 10y ago
I wish I had went to college so I can write some shit up like this and get a grade on it.
cover20 10y ago
Important background (the thesis should have been failed for not referencing this in the literature survey):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/college/original-coed-consumer-sex-guide
ThorLives 10y ago
One thing I found interesting about this was this: "The guide, written by students Roxanne Ritchie (pictured at right) and Susan Gilbert, rated 36 men with whom the pair claimed to have slept." The picture of Roxanne? http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/roxannemit.jpg
It just goes to show that it really takes no attractiveness at all for women to hookup with lots of random guys.
Overkillengine 10y ago
Jesus Christ, that shit needs a trigger warning.
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I refuse to believe there is a department of late night entertainment for a degree in tempestuous frolicking (DTF)
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sir_wankalot_here 10y ago
In SE Asia not even the lowest girlybar would hire her. She would be forced to work as a street whore. Sick disgusting and depraved.
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Oral presentation due on Friday night. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Friday Night= great porn name
randomchaos1 10y ago
thaaaaaaaa fuck? cringe so fucking cringe worthy... I can't even imagine what would happen to a guy creating a fuck list.
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gmflag 10y ago
She did this privately with her friends. Her friends leaked it out to other frats and friends. Of course, it went viral. The powerpoint was remarkably accurate according to several friends of mine who had hooked up with these guys in the past.
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I don't mind that she submitted it, as long as it was given the failing grade it deserved. Reads like a high school girls diary.
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Ladies who work or study real careers would be sickened by this garbage.
HS-Thompson 10y ago
It wasn't. Of course it wasn't, it's a joke, like a diary entry. Srsly.
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cover20 10y ago
Oh. Now I see it wasn't.
So she circulated this to faculty? Other students?
TheUltimatePoet 10y ago
I remember this story. I think she just wrote it as a joke for a few of her friends.
HS-Thompson 10y ago
A couple friends only far as I can tell.
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One of those three must have hated her. I thought it was really a thesis St first.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
This wasn't a real thesis. It was a fake/parody thesis.
STEM is a bit overblown on trp. It's actually relatively gender equal too, because it includes social sciences.
What rpers usually want to refer to is another acronym, like MINT: Mathematics, Info Tech, Natural Sciences, Technology.
m0j0j0_j0 10y ago
I have never heard of Social Sciences being included in the umbrella of STEM.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
The National Science Foundation counts it as part of STEM. It's notable as a precedent for existing and potential gov't policies, e.g. funding for women in STEM.
magus678 10y ago
No one who is in a science field considers the social "sciences" part of it. Meaning, psychology, sociology, political science, etc.
My university didn't even pretend they were science in anything but name; they shared the liberal arts building, not the science one. They also had special (dumbed down) math classes for themselves separate from the STEM kids.
I normally wouldn't care much about particular acronyms, but I think it's important to call out those people trying to piggyback on the prestige and not to cede the term out of convenience.
If you are ever talking to a girl and she mentions having her "bachelor of science" you can bet your bottom fucking dollar that it isn't in chemistry
garlicextract 10y ago
There are girls who graduate with a degree in chemistry/physics/etc... not many, but they exist.
magus678 10y ago
They would in that instance say a bachelor's in chemistry. By painting their social work degree as a "bachelor of science" they are trying to pretend at having a better background than they do.
People that actually do science are specific, people that don't are vague.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
Yeah. Chemistry is actually one of the worst examples to pick, because it's actually the most gender equal of all the "hard sciences"/"natural sciences". Close to 50/50.
The main natural science that is women-dominated is biology. That's something like 60-70% women. Mostly those who decided to use that as a launchpad for a medical track.
foldpak111 10y ago
Biology is RP so the fact that its dominated by women tells me that they leave out the important stuff.
through_a_ways 10y ago
I've never understood this. Isn't chemistry a lot more spatially demanding than physics?
Physics is somewhat spatial, but rotating complex molecules with varying bond angles in your head like a fucking GPU beats the pants off of anything I've had to do in my physics classes.
mrp3anut 10y ago
A BS in chemistry has a few tough courses such as Organic Chem but a lot of it is sort of nonsense.
The major amount of nonsense in the degree is why a 4yr pure math/science degree gets you a job as a technician doing the researchers busy work/ tedious stuff instead of being the researcher.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
I'm not arguing semantics. It's not my opinion. I'm just stating the facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STEM_fields#National_Science_Foundation
magus678 10y ago
The NSF is wrong in this. That they consider social sciences STEM is likely a political move more than anything. By their definition, basically everyone in every job ever is a scientist of some kind.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
They technically aren't wrong. A lot of social sciences do use math after all.
And I don't think they can even "be wrong" in the US. They set the standards.
I was going to settle with saying that I don't care either way. I was just trying to do people here a favour, in case anyone didn't know. But to be perfectly honest, I don't want to encourage STEM elitism anyway.
Connections and social smarts (no, not "social science", just social smarts, tact, and attitude) are just as important if not even more so than just good grades in a technically useful major, and it would do us all good to keep that in mind. I say this as someone who graduated with high marks from a top engineering dept in the country. I've nothing to gain by deliberately downplaying STEM fields. But too much navel gazing from STEM majors who lack social skills or awareness is going to cripple them in more than one way.
My word of advice for those who might need it is to never argue offline about what "should" count as STEM, because it sounds like STEM elitism that even STEM majors will roll their eyes to. Yes, it's true that under the covers, we all view them differently (e.g., as garlicextract pointed out in my link US immigration obviously considers certain skills more valued than others), but it would still serve us well to be political about things.
(But I do agree with you here that part of what goes into these decisions may in fact be political.)
magus678 10y ago
Without getting too deep into the rabbit hole, I look at STEM prestige as a mechanism to assist the value of a college education.
These degrees that are easier to get also happen to be the overwhelming number of degrees granted by most universities and (surprise) are much more popular among women. This situation is socially degrading the value of a degree.
Combat veterans know what I'm talking about. There are some guys that fought, bled, and killed during their 4 years. Others rode a desk. Pretending they are equivalent is silly.
I actually feel where you are coming from; generally speaking I'm all about bursting those self important bubbles. But socially I think it hurts us greatly by not valuing these fields more. I don't think we have hit the level where it is overblown yet.
garlicextract 10y ago
Good info on it being not a real thesis but...
STEM and MINT are one and the same unless you are debating semantics. Except MINT doesn't encapsulate engineering so no, RPers want to refer to STEM.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
I'm not arguing semantics. It's not my opinion. Just stating the facts my friend. See my response to magus678.
garlicextract 10y ago
I read your response and see what you're saying. However, I maintain that RPers are not referring to MINT, as MINT does not encapsulate engineering. That is a glaring omission.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
I never considered the factors "science", "technology", "engineering", and "mathematics" to be separate components of STEM. It's just a fancy acronym.
As far as I'm concerned, a lot of "engineering" is encapsulated quite well under "technology" (and other factors) in MINT.
That, however, is a semantic debate.
My point was mainly on the formal usage of "STEM" and very real political implications. E.g. federal funding, scholarships, etc. Rper's are using an informal understanding of STEM, and it might sound ignorant. I'm just stating the facts so we're all aware.
Under the formal American categorization of STEM, sociology is counted, and it's relatively gender equal.
garlicextract 10y ago
STEM is an acronym, as you said, but it literally stands for Science Technology Engineering and Math. And yes, they are seperate components.
MINT does not cover engineering; that isn't up for debate. And not all government organizations consider the social sciences to be a part of STEM. I find it disheartening that the NSF does consider social sciences to be STEM, so the policy implications you speak of are real. But it is not the case that ALL agencies consider it that way.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
What you quoted was from the STEM primer linked to by my wiki link in the separate section for immigration policy. I think that is a no-brainer that the US gov't views high skill immigrants differently under the covers. I'm just saying that domestically (for US), if we're talking about sociology not being STEM, we'd corrected by a semi-informed feminist, maybe even one funded by the gov't for being a pioneering feminist in a stem field.
MINT is an informal term used in the US. From what I've read, it's better known in Germany. It does not come attached with the same formalities STEM does in the US, which is why I blurted it out off the cusp. I don't care for it too much either way, and we could even make one up if we're just going to use terms informally. It could be "TEMP" for all I care (tech, engineering, math, physical sciences), but that would sound far less flattering for "TEMP labourers". heh.
I agreed completely with what you wrote earlier: STEM and MINT are one and the same unless you are debating semantics. The differences aren't too important to me. The point is that STEM comes with a bit more context (or baggage, from many rper's point of view) in the US, whereas another acronym might not.
garlicextract 10y ago
I guess after stating that, I delved into a debate about semantics. Good points.
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MensaNominee 10y ago
Any woman who is fully self-aware of her promiscuous actions is close to being a guy. Meaning, most women riding the cock carousel are being used, exploited and treated like a cum rag and are not fully aware of it. Example, this chick rates all of the guys that didn't look her in the face lower then the one's she felt a "connection" with (maintaining eye contact during intercourse). The fact that she even has any type of negative emotional response to drunk cum-dump sex shows that she is unaware of her general unattractiveness. The fact that she's allowing this many guys to continually dump their loads in her and she doesn't receive any type of sexual or emotional pleasure herself shows the exploitation.
It's rare, but their are women out there who are self-aware whores. They know they're only 5s, but they also know they can fuck anyone they want and they also know they are whores for doing so...women who have swallowed that pill are usually outsiders of most social cirlces except other whores. These girls get what they want, when they want and rarely share any regret.
TL;DR In summation, yes a self-aware promiscuous woman is nothing short of being a prostitute, but instead of actual money being transferred, they're rewarded with social status, services and other invaluable goods.
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MensaNominee 10y ago
No you are getting it. They ARE prostitutes in the definition of the word in that they have sex for payment. That payment can be time spent, a ride somewhere, a new purse, a new pair of shoes, staying in a nice house, a vacation, actual money. There are plenty of 5/10 girls who can put on make up and a dress and look like a 8/10 to a relatively wealthy older gentleman who may not be in shape and doesn't have the time or patience to pull the REAL 8/10 chicks.
Purpledrank 10y ago
Any of the liberal arts programs that are overridden with post-modernism.
Pomo basically refutes that is is beyond being critiqued. When you then label your work as po-mo, it can become anything because there is no backlash allowed which flat out says "that sucks". Of course if you're po-mo, you can take a steamy horseshit on anyone who isn't because that's just how po-mo works. Remind anyone of a particular ideology that resolves around privilege?
Roneldo 10y ago
Seems like Duke has a lot of sex-related controversies (Belle knox, Duke larcosse fake rape charges)
gmflag 10y ago
was a student there. Duke always has some sort of sex controversy every year. I graduated 2013.
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foldpak111 10y ago
Don't even get me started on the belle Knox bitch. Go watch her facial abuse video if you want to lol
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bobbatosakosanose 10y ago
I did. Lol. They call her a feminist whore or something. Those guys are pretty redpill to me.
foldpak111 10y ago
They are them type of guys that never leave the anger phase. Just on a dark triad rampage ruining self esteem left and right. While I would never treat a woman like that I find it hilarious to watch.
chillmonkey88 10y ago
Anyone else notice how that rating on sex correlates with each guy in order get lower and less enjoyable to her...
Sounds a lot like how after women get the WILD OUT OF THEIR SYSTEMS in their younger years and then SETTLE DOWN with a guy how they seem to be over having fun sex and just describe how crazy and wild they were to their new beta bux hubby.
ArbitraryFool 10y ago
Girls just don't get it, you cannot use a man for sex because the man will always want it more and will consider them to be inferior for giving it up so easy.
5More_Minutes 10y ago
Remember when I had to doa post modernity unit for my bachelors. Biggest load of crap ever concieved by the human mind. I waffled on about nothing in my final assignment for that unit and got 90 percent.
Areimanes 10y ago
This is very old news.
Average girl at best - apparently with a good rack - sucks a lot of athlete dick at Duke. Her parents and future husband (who would want to marry someone like that?) must be proud.
In other news, water is wet.
That being said, I can only imagine the amount of pussy the Duke athletes must've gotten whom she described as having huge equipment, along with that one guy she got fucked by where she couldn't walk the day after. The guys with smaller equipment got boned.
And yes, penis size does matter. Any woman who says otherwise is lying through her teeth. Would she choose a 10'' over a 5''? Probably not unless she's a size queen. Would she choose a 7-8'' over a 5''? Definitely.
foldpak111 10y ago
The ones that laugh at guys with 6" are hilarious. They must rarely be satisfied.
Furrealyo 10y ago
As a man packing a legit 10", there has only been ONE girl in my ledger of 35+ who could take it with gusto. The others tried and cried or simply said "no thanks" when the Jockeys dropped and they got a look at it. Guess which one I miss the most?
White sheets are not a thing for me...seriously I should start taking pictures of what looks like a murder scene post-intercourse.
foldpak111 10y ago
Women like the idea of a big penis, but like everything else, it's a different story once they get out of there brain fog due to reality smacking them in the face. You'd have an amazing career in pornography though.
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MKG24 10y ago
Settle down, Bateman. Congratulations on the dick though.
foldpak111 10y ago
If you don't shut your mouth, I will fucking kill you. I have lunch with Hubert in 15 minutes!
Shaft-of-Patriarchy 10y ago
Well that tells you all you need to know.
First guy - Pro - He's enormous
Con - It was a bit painful.
And remember gentlemen, size doesn't matter ~_~
foldpak111 10y ago
As long as you hit 5 inches it doesn't matter.
MensaNominee 10y ago
It really doesn't matter...it only matters in situations where girls want to talk about it to other girls or in front of men they know have smaller dicks with intentions of shaming the guy. Most average size vagina'd women know damn well that anything over 7" isn't something they're interested in taking. I've had women who keep it all the way real with me and say that even 7" is a bit too much for them at times. Especially for girls who like sucking dick and get off to being able to make that shit disappear.
Shaft-of-Patriarchy 10y ago
His dick was big enough to physically hurt her vagina. But the enourmity of it was still a plus point for him. In the context of your position, explain that to me. If girls don't REALLY want a huge one because it hurts them, explain to me why this one, which was huge, and did hurt, was a positive attribute to mark him on.
If my motorcycle came with a saddle so large it hurt my thighs I wouldn't say "oh it has a huge saddle, it's great, hurts like fuck but its great!"
Girls don't want more than 7" actually in them, that much is perfectly true.
But what they want is to be 6-7" of the way down a 12" dick. Not all the way down a 6" one. And that goes even more so for oral, they want something huge in their mouth, a massive throbbing alpha phallus. Not something that they can get right down to the base of.
The hamstering that goes on, even in this sub of all places to attempt to justify this idea that women like smaller dicks is legendary.
MensaNominee 10y ago
First off you escalated your tone in replying to me, so the gloves are off on this end as well. I'll break down my rather simple response for you big dicked neanderthal:
I literally answered this in my initial response...
Next...
Your analogy doesn't accurately represent this situation. Motorcycle saddles aren't a shining staple of envy and generally accepted as something to brag on because of it's allure to men. To create another analogy of a large penis' importance in the female culture you could use a better example of...shoes or clothes. Women like to wear heels, they like their feet to appear small and dainty, they like to show the shape of their body so what do they do? They purchase jeans so tight they develop yeast infections and heels so small they develop blisters and corns on their feet from one night on the town. "Oh girl, these heels are so gorgeous but they only had them in a 5, you know I'm a 6 but fuck it." This is the same mentality when it comes to dicks...Hey, guess what girls, I hit the motherload of hot guys...he had a 6 pack and a 10" cock (whole room of girls swoons). It's all for the show and ability to talk or boast. I'm not arguing that most women to ACT like they want a big dick, shit as we know how most women are they might have talked about it and hyped it up so much with their friends that they actually believe they want one until they get it in the bedroom and cry the tears of regret. I've only met one woman/girl in my entire life (out of many women I've had this convo with) that truly enjoyed the biggest meat poles she could find...you know why? Because she had a big fucking pussy. Every other girl I've ever talked with says the farthest they'll go is a 9" dick and even then they shudder at the thought.
We're getting hung up on LENGTH which most mature women will admit is the least of they're concerns. Women are looking for a girthy decent lengthed dick. I agree, they want their mouths and pussies FILLED up...the G-Spot is only a couple of inches in the vagina anyway. I'm not hamstering shit...I'm literally speaking from my experiences with conversations with women and my own personal experiences with my fat decently lengthed cock.
Shaft-of-Patriarchy 10y ago
Its very interesting that you would make the assumption that im a "Big dicked neanderthal" I dont have an especially big dick.
True enough, women like to talk about big dicks. Problem is they also follow that up by selecting for larger dicks where possible in their sexual preferences.
If you have 2 guys equal in every respect, one is packing 9" and the other the claimed average size of 5.5", which do you think is going to get the second lay? Sure for the first she cant control for size. But we both know the 9" guy is going to get a second round, and the 5.5" guy is going to get the brush off. Your position would only work if ALL they did was talk about it, but they dont. They act on it
Does your average woman want the true MONSTER OF COCK type dicks inside her? No, true enough they dont. 14-15" of meat is going to hurt if he isnt very very careful. But she definitely wants a larger member, just not to the absolute extremes of human physiology.
What she wants is someone who has slightly more than they can take. So that he can fuck her without feeling like hes only just adequate for the task, and so that she can do adventurous positions without having to worry about him having the length to achieve deep penetration from that angle. So that when shes going down on him she can get both hands round it and feel like its actually a solid weighty unit.
For most women, thats going to be someone in the 8-9" length and 5-6" girth range. Which is significantly larger than average.
jonsnuh13 10y ago
Sounds like something my ex would do.
Ududude 10y ago
I...
Am I the only one who wouldn't have sex with her? I'm being completely honest. She looks somewhat unattractive and I'm surprised so many people banged her. I got in a situation before where I tried fucking someone who I didn't find attractive just to raise my count and I could barely get it up.
cocaine_face 10y ago
I mean, if you were drinking and it's that or go home alone, yeah I could see it being fine.
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Alcohol in men is good for about +2 SMV for women. If I was was buzzed and looking for an easy lay, would I go home and fuck her? Probably. Am I sticking around to wake up with her the next morning to get a look at her in full sunlight? Nope. In other words, if I was striking out all night and the place is shutting down in 20 minutes, then she becomes an option.
Remember, the good Lord blessed us with light switches and Doggystyle because of Butterfaces.
vintagegirlgame 10y ago
All the compliments she received were strictly about her body (mainly her rack) and her performance abilities. One even called her a "pro" (aka prostitute) and she took it as a compliment!
LastRevision 10y ago
So, yeah. Sounds about right.
99% shame fucks.
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almost all her bangs were drunk
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ew, she's not cute at all WTF
cover20 10y ago
She may be lying about some, but some here actually seem to promote taking advantage of any available wet hole.
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brotherjustincrowe 10y ago
That's happened to me too, I tried to blame the antidepressants I was on but really she was just 15 pounds overweight and her mouth smelled like cheap beer and vomit.
MensaNominee 10y ago
15lbs overweight isn't bad at all...especially if it's all in her thighs, ass and/or breasts.
foldpak111 10y ago
She's ugly as fuck. I only go for Latina's (think Abella Anderson nigga god damn!) and Asians so this may be just a biased pov.
Ududude 10y ago
I'm personally a big fan of Jewish girls (curly hair, pale skin, pretentiousness turn me on like no other), but I do not find this one bangable at all
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no jew-broads suck these days. my dad said they used to be like Asian girls, reserved and subservient, now they're awful. my dad's jewish, but he didn't marry one.
Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
Thesis: Athletes will smash a 7 all day long for fun Seriously; so her count is stated at 13 which means it is at least double that. Given the fact she is an attention seeking whore; enough so to write a thesis about fucking men, the count is probably already over 100.
MajorMid 10y ago
Talk about 80/20 rule in effect. This chick is a 5/10 6/10 at absolute fucking best and she's banging any high valued D1 athlete she wants.
foldpak111 10y ago
More like a 3/10. She's the most pedestrian of average women
MensaNominee 10y ago
I had to look her up, some of her pictures she looks decent...3/10 is a bit rediculous. Here's an example of a 3/10
waynebradysworld 10y ago
Am athelete. Can confirm would fill up
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She kind f looks like the 2nd picture in a lot of her pictures.
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Jesus Christ if a guy made a list of girls, he would be arrested for conspiring to break the law or something and pretty sure feminists would ruin his life.
foldpak111 10y ago
I would be absolutely livid if a girl did this to me. Not due to insecurity, but you don't post something sexual about me on the internet and call me a subject. Reverse the genders and the guy would be assassinated. If you're going to be a whore at least be a good whore.
nicethingyoucanthave 10y ago
Women would literally be marching in the street.
foldpak111 10y ago
Lookin like a Hitler rally an shit
wazzapmang 10y ago
what a fuckin weirdo. she must have some deep issues.
edmproducerXX 10y ago
Truly this thesis could be made by a woman for it doesn't make fucking sense at all and she is all over he place.