“Anti-Dump’s Machine” is an e-text written by Anti-Dump and Pook (of Book of Pook notoriety) in a series of 10 posts on the SoSuave forum in 2003.
“Anti-Dump” was another poster on the SoSuave fourm. The book comprises posts from AD on his extremely clear system for finding a HIGH-INTEREST woman, along with Pook’s commentary, and dialogue from other SS users in the same fun, socratic style as the BoP.
A-DM is my favorite RedPill text ever.
Let’s get right to it with the book’s main premise.
Fools! You are placing the success on obtaining women, not on obtaining INTERESTED women. It is not a black and white world of “Success = Having Women” and “Failure = Staying Single.” No, it is “Success= Not being attached to UNINTERESTED women.” and “Failure = Being attached to an UNINTERESTED women.” Being in an unhappy marriage is worse than being single.
Anti-Dump’s Machine is not to lead you to sex, not to lead you to ‘token girl’ so you can make your friends jealous by saying, “I have a girlfriend.” I have been on this forum for MANY years and Anti-Dump’s Machine is the ONLY one I know that leads to love.
Anti-Dump’s Machine is not ‘everything’. You still must build yourself up and create a life. Anti-Dump’s Machine is a good system to find an INTERESTED chick and keep her for an LTR
Make sense? Read the whole book here as a PDF, or in its original 10 parts at the links below. (The archived discussions on SS after each post can be worthwhile.)
I’ve included my favorite quote from each part, too.
I am successful because I don't have women in my life that don't love me.
It is not a 'negative attitude'. It is a WEEDING OUT PROCESS. I weed out unsuitable women. What's unsuitable?
LOW interest.
Men are NOT women. Take off the dress guys.
It is WOMEN that wonder if a guy likes them before anything happens. Men have somehow picked up this bad habit from women.
The thought of whether she likes you should never cross your mind. It is not important BEFORE you ask for the number. The important thing is you WANTING her.
PART III: You BUY a Relationship
Love is not like a courtroom. Women are all guilty of NON-interest until they PROVE it to you by showing CONSISTANTLY good behavior.
PART IV: Embrace ACTION, Woman’s Weak Spot
Men rule the action world. Women are king in COMMUNICATING. But weak in action.
The secret is asking them to DO things. This is their weak spot. They would rather 'talk' all the time and discuss things. They are experts in that. You CAN'T WIN UNLESS 'YOU' ARE THE EXPERT.
And you are. In DOING things.
I want to add in that just because a woman has sex with you or even MARRIES you does not mean she likes you.
Look, why did you remain a Nice Guy when all reality said you were a fool? Because of your ego. Why do you continue the same errors? Your ego. The man who is invincible with women is the man who can humble himself.
For women do not deceive us. Rather, women help men deceive themselves.
Part VI: Three Words to Change Your Life
If you give a girl YOUR number you are waiting for her answer. You are only fooling yourself by saying you don't care if she calls. That's bull. That is a PASSIVE approach anyway. Women prefer the DIRECT approach. Even if a guy is confident the women will see you as PASSIVE and afraid to ask her for the number. Very few men say 'what's your number?' right out like that. That's what they like. That's a turn-on. Not 'call me' honey .
It is not necessary for a man to flirt. He doesn't have to 'telegraph' his romantic interest. That's because HE does the asking out. Men are very confused in this area. Flirting is for women.
You 'telegraph' your romantic interest in a woman by asking for her phone number. That is the male 'flirting' so to speak.
You don't give a girl what SHE wants. YOU FIND A GIRL THAT LIKES WHAT YOU WANT. Later you ask her what she likes after she accepts you first.
Women don't give a damm about all that. All they want is a guy they can count on when their car breaks down on a dark road. Or a guy that will LISTEN (not talk) when disaster strikes their life. A man of action. A Rock. A man that can BE THERE.
Women who know you might be seeing others, are less likely to play games. If they like you, women are AFRAID to take chances of losing you. They know if they say "I'm busy" too many times you will call someone else.
The shoe is on the other foot now. The WOMAN has to do everything right now, or there will be no relationship. You have taken control of your life. You are not at the mercy of women any longer.
Many women will flunk the test. Always remember, Pook, they flunk because they are not good enough for you.
This is how you protect your heart.
GO READ ANTI-DUMP’S MACHINE. The Machine works.
All credit to Anti-Dump and Pook for creating the best RedPill book ever. (Book of Pook is #1b).
edit: props to /u/BourneRedPill for compiling the posts into an easy-to-read PDF. /u/UrRealDad also has a version earlier posted to SS here -- thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Aphoc 10y ago
"Men have somehow picked up this bad habit from women."
Women with tattoos and piercings is the same principle.
[deleted] 10y ago
"Women who know you might be seeing others, are less likely to play games. If they like you, women are AFRAID to take chances of losing you. They know if they say "I'm busy" too many times you will call someone else."
This is spot on, and all the rest. But this one is crucial. It seems like women love being your bitch; they love not having the security of passion, it makes the man seem so high in value. I've experienced it. When I was casually seeing my ex in the first months, she'd do anything for me- she knew we weren't a couple so she didn't want to mess up at all. The second when she realized that I caught feelings (and betaness), her true bitch started to come out. In hindsight, I didn't maintain frame control and became more of a woman in the way I was dealing with our relationship. When I was less invested in her, the relationship seemed so much more natural. I was the alpha, she was my bitch that was ready to fuck whenever I hit her up, she came over.
I have to admit though, from my experience, some women let go if they realize that they will never be your one and only. Emotional investment is needed to keep women interested. That's for sure. I think I've read about that in the Sex God Method. The author mentions how in the DEVI model Emotional connections are crucial for women or they leave sooner or later (even if you can make her cum multiple times in one session and stuff like that).
JackGetsIt 10y ago
Yea I don't think this is talked about enough on redpill. It's very true. This is a tough line to walk because often times after they've gotten this emotional investment they want exclusivity in the relationship and then your into LTR territory or breaking it off. I think they force the emotional piece on purpose.
[deleted] 10y ago
Specifically:
They want predictable emotional milestones.
You can keep a woman through emotional play, dread game, no contact, etc. But to gain her vocal official commitment, you have to agree to become consistent. That's the paradox. She wants and needs and pushes for you to become consistent and predictable. This is her version of conquering. If she never feels like she's conquered you, she will always want you. These are the women who will make a big show of saying, "Ok, I'm done having all this sex with you. I've found a guy who can be a good provider and boyfriend. I'm going to start a new life with him."
And a month or two later, she's back in your bed screaming.
loin_fruit 10y ago
Holy fuck this is true. I posted this on another thread but this girl has had a boyfriend for the past 3 years. Been fucking her on and off. Every time we stopped talking she would come back. But we didn't really fool around much until I read and took the red pill.
Since being a member here I've gained so much knowledge and used it on her. 100% success rate.
Up until the girl and her boyfriend/fiance got married I was fucking her. It was insane to me that it didn't matter to her. She couldn't ever figure me out. I would give her just enough emotional crumbs to keep her wanting more and more.
Once they got married I quit talking to her, it's only been 3-4 months since her marriage and she hit me up the other day telling me she needed really good sex.
I hear most plates don't last for more than a half a year. Yet this one just can't get enough and keeps coming back. Your post/this thread has shown me exactly why.
[deleted] 10y ago
True that. Think you're absolutely right. It's here that separates the alphas from the betas. Beta-me, for instance, started hamstering when she actually made the impression that "Ok, I'm done having all this sex with you. I've found a guy who can be a good provider and boyfriend. I'm going to start a new life with him."
If I never gave in and kept alpha frame, I'd be still fucking her. I started to become very insecure and she was leading the relationship- and that didn't last too long- cuz we broke up.
MHOOD01 10y ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "gave in". Are you saying that you became her patsy and let her do as she wished?
[deleted] 10y ago
yea pretty much; and i didn't fuck her right.
[deleted] 10y ago
What the other guy below said is crucial though. Whatever the woman is trying to establish shouldn't really matter to us. When she realizes that you don't give in, she'll probably keeps coming back.
BourneRedPill 10y ago
Here is the PDF file I created. You can download it from the link but it is only going to be up for 7 days from this post (free no sign up service). Please take the PDF and spread it around everywhere.
Reuploaded: links expired
Make sure to click on the correct 'Download This File' button and not on any of the ads.
lucoztazade 10y ago
This is brilliant, thanks very much.
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heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
Great job! I really like how you formatted it, too, with A-D's text in blue boxes. Very easy to read. Will be adding your link to the post, then update when I can put it somewhere more permanent.
RedPope 10y ago
There is so much gold in these posts! I particularly direct your attention to Part 4: Action.
Please don't stop after reading the initial post! It sparks a debate that is even more informative. As explained by Pook, Anti-Dump was different from most PUAs, in that he didn't examine WHY a woman a woman did something. He only cared about her actions. How did she respond? How did she behave? He was beyond attracting girls. His "machine" was a tool to weed out girls who were not interested in him.
I feel TRP has done a fairly decent job of explaining the WHY. We have unraveled the mysteries and defined the general tenets of female motivation: hypergamy, shit testing, solipism, crab-in-a-bucket, etc. Once you learn these lessons, you start to see them everywhere.
But Pook, 10 years in the past, points out that understanding isn't critical. You can succeed even in ignorance. In fact, most men do. He creates a hypothetical group of successful men, has them stand in line, and asks for their advice. They are a very diverse group, so each gives wildly different answers. Yet somehow, despite their sometimes conflicting answers, these men are all successful with women. Pook explains what they have in common:
If you are still struggling with attracting women I want you to really think on that concept:
They created their own world.
Burn it into your mind. It is critical. This is the big first step, where you leave theory and begin application.
We ridicule "Just be yourself!" as terrible advice. Some of us heard this cliche so often during our years of failure that it feels like a slap to the face. But this advice is usually given without malice. These hollow words are coming from loving friends and caring family. They want to help, but they don't know how. Here is a better translation: Show her the world you have created.
If you agree with that statement, but "Just be yourself!" still isn't working for you, TRP will explain your failure quite bluntly: You haven't created a world women want.
These posts from Anti-Dump were for the guys who had passed beyond that stage. This isn't 101 material. He was an older poster, giving next-level advice. He was speaking to men who had already improved their worlds. Men who had defined their goals and were pursuing their ambitions. Men who were starting to achieve success.
If you're in that camp, women are interested in visiting your world. Like tourists on a street full of shops, they pop their head in the door, and do a quick scan to see if anything exciting stands out. If they see something cool, they may come in for a closer look. Assuming your world is exciting, your shop will soon have a lot of traffic. Anti-Dump's "machine" is a system for weeding out the window-shoppers and time-wasters. Your goal now is to identify and target the genuine customers. The girls who are truly interested in you.
Only you can decide what you are selling. It might be sex, a relationship, marriage, or something completely outside the mainstream. But regardless, you first have to narrow down the pool to only the shoppers who are actually there to make a purchase.
TL;DR: If you have reached the point where you're getting plenty of numbers and dates, but the majority turn out to be pointless wastes of time, then these are the articles you need to read!
(Apologies for the dozen edits...)
JackGetsIt 10y ago
My ex wife would ramble on about all the problems she had at work and the minute I added useful advice she'd freak out on me and get defensive because I was judging her. This make so much sense now. They really don't want advice. They don't want to fix the problem. They just want to "feel" secure and supported.
Edit: this whole post kind of blew my mind. Thanks OP.
SeekingTheWay 10y ago
SO. FUCKING. TRUE!
I lost LTR of 2 years over this. I simply had a solution to all her little problems effectively erasing all drama from her life (and we all know how much they crave drama)
Disposable_TRP 10y ago
This is true, I think, because women aren't goal oriented. They don't want a solution; half the time they just want to kvetch about something. It goes back to Pook's bit about "womanese." Its the underlying emotion that's important, not the words. When you offered a solution, she got upset not because you were judging her, but because you disrupted her emotions.
JackGetsIt 10y ago
Thanks for this. Makes sense.
heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
Listen, mirror tonality, and repeat information back to them. They don't want solutions, they want to hear back what they just said in a male voice.
[deleted] 10y ago
on point. same shit here. Me giving advice ALWAYS backfired. And I thought that was some great piece of advice- but for them it seems like you're attacking them and not siding with them when in fact they're actually happy (because they're with you) and they're just playing their actual role- a woman who is being a whiny and needs comfort. Your role as a man is to provide that comfort.
UrRealDad 10y ago
I posted this pdf on SoSuave back in April. It's still available and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Enjoy:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B212QFR0NhCkeF9Pek1qVzZ1OWs/edit?usp=sharing
PS: Anti-Dump's Machine was written by Pook, a legendary poster at SoSuave who himself compiled and commented on the posts of another member, Anti-Dump, into the "Machine".
[deleted] 10y ago
That's some fucking game right there.
wiseclockcounter 10y ago
Could not for the life of me make it into a PDF, but I combined the threads into single images and put them in an imgur album with all posts from Pook inverted for visibility.
Imgur album of PNG screenshots
Edit: Click the * gear icon in the top right corner for full screen resolution.
heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
That's actually super helpful to have an archive of all the replies to the posts as an image, in case SS ever goes down. Spot on! I'm saving your whole imgur album to disk.
u-r-silly 10y ago
That one is a good mindset to have. You don't want to have women poisoning your existence around.
Motherocean 10y ago
Dude, thank you for this post. Its these types of posts that we need more of on this sub, not MRA posts, BP posts, or endless AWALT examples. We have a lot of people who are either in the 'anger' phase or are just discovering TRP. Posts like this one help those guys find purpose with women outside of plating them or completely ignoring them. +1 indeed.
TheRealMouseRat 10y ago
I'll read it after I'm done with no more mr.nice guy. Many things mentioned here are things I already do though, and have been doing even long before discovering the RP.
OscarWhisky 10y ago
I was interested at first, then things just didn't click with me. Maybe I am looking at this with 'pick-up' eyes rather than 'quality LTR' eyes.
yummyluckycharms 10y ago
Anti dump has been a classic for as long as i can remember - great stuff
kingofpoplives 10y ago
What I find interesting is that he specifically says he does not initiate sex and tries to wait as long as possible. This is the opposite of the core TRP adage of always be escalating.
wotami 10y ago
A quick question: why would anyone of high status ever truly care about being dumped?
wiseclockcounter 10y ago
I think the "anti" is for antithesis, or the direct opposite of being dumped- which would be having interested bitches in tow.
heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
Quick answer.
More to the point, A-DM is not a guide to avoid being dumped. "Anti-Dump" is the author's pseudonym. Your question doesn't need to be so quick that you don't read the post.
RedPope 10y ago
Not for this comment, but for your article, you have most definitely earned a ♂
Thank you for collecting and presenting these articles. They are old but gold, and many here would not have seen them without your effort and commentary.