Many penis-owning idiots surface around here with an insanely stupid thought: they think they might have finally found a girl worth spending their lives with. They then ask a very dumb question: “What traits should I look for in a girl to make sure she’s girlfriend/wife material?” Worse than this idiocy, people actually respond seriously! They lay out a bunch of dumb answers: upbringing, religion, hair/clothes/tattoos/whatever, sexual history, relationship history, the friends she keeps – the list is endless.
It’s not that these aren’t useful things to know about any woman you’re fucking. They are. But there is no list of traits you can investigate and discover that’s going to qualify a woman as more than a fuck-toy. Because making her more than a fuck-toy isn’t your job. It’s hers.
Women know the difference between ugly and pretty. Women know the difference between bitchy and pleasant. Women know the difference between slutty party girls and sexually conservative non-sluts. And women aren’t stupid. When a woman is a bad relationship prospect, she knows it, and she hides it.
Many ugly women go crazy with clothes, hair, and makeup, and always seem to meet you in dim bars. They’ll get dishonestly creative with (or even outright modify) their online profile pictures. If they can get you to give them a chance, maybe you’ll get used to the ugly, right?
Many bitchy, crazy women seem normal, even nice, when you first start getting to know them. Then three months into the relationship you unwisely agreed to, you’re dealing with a psychopath.
And any slut alive who wants to score commitment from you rather than just a fuck is going to swear up and down that she’s only had sex with 2-5 guys before. That’s not really a lie, of course. Probably just a typo. Because if you take the dash out, the number is more accurate.
Women looking for a relationship, that are bad relationship prospects, hide it. They know they suck, and they’ll do everything in their power to keep you from knowing it. They’ll lie, they’ll be vague, they’ll be aloof and mysterious, they’ll be private, they’ll have areas of their lives that they say are none of your business, you won’t meet their friends or family easily. When a woman is vague with you, that is, hands down, an admission that she is a bad relationship prospect. If you’ve known a woman for a few months, and you still don’t know whether or not she’s a good relationship prospect, it’s because she isn’t, and she’s been deliberately vague with you.
Women who are good relationship prospects know it. They let it slip in their conversations and actions. When they’re trying to get you to commit to a relationship with them, they demonstrate that they’re good relationship material. They talk about it, and they act like it. Their friends and family will talk about it and act like it. A good relationship prospect has nothing to hide. She’s easy to know, forward, pleasant, and an open book. No games, no vagueness, no drama. She doesn’t need to hide her bad traits and be vague about them, because she’s not ugly, bitchy, or a slut. She can be open about being a good girl, because that’s desirable, and she knows it.
This isn’t to say that a shitty woman can’t lie and put on an act. You still have to do your homework. But if you’re ever in a position where you’re wondering whether a woman is girlfriend/wife material, you’ve already answered your own question. She’s not worth a shit. Because if she were, you’d already know. She’d have made sure of it.
Japanesechicken 9y ago
This post actually better reflects us (guys), as a form of non-negative projection, and our relationship potential. I am very honest and direct with women but am "vague" as hell when it comes to disclosing my sexual prospects/history.
I'm not here to argue for or against my own relationship potential, but I'm simply making a point that sleeping with multiple women requires COVERT (or vague) reference to one's own behavior, rather than directly explicating everything.
If there's one thing I give women credit for, it's that pretty much every one I've dated has been easily readable in terms of desire to progress the interaction, regardless as to the relationship qualities they possess. I'm aware of my ambiguous neutrality though and the way that that comes off.
This isn't just I. Rollo Tomassi even talks about this under his iron clad rule #2 (http://therationalmale.com/2011/11/22/youve-been-with-how-many-girls/).
suloco 9y ago
Couple of yrs ago I was dating this albanian/czech Londoner living in Prague (fuck it, it's complicated) and since my TRP rebirth I've been using the 'relationship' as a constant reminder of TRP truths.
Slut level: Her number was 32. This girl was 24 mind you!
Catchphrase: She admitted it, no hiding and went on to claim this was during her late teens when her confidence was at it's all-time low. She is Someone Else (tm) now.
Seriously glad I ended things after 3 months. She really opened my eyes to a lot of shit women do by being a prime example bordering on caricature. Red hair - should have known better.
LifeAtPeace 9y ago
Although I don't agree with everything OP has written but there is an element of truth in it.
1.) Women who are good relationship material don't hide the relationship from family and friends. Because if she is proud to have you, she will show it off.
2.) She will wait to have dinners with you and will cook to please you.
3.) She does not hesitate to tell you the truth about anything because she knows that if she wants to spend life with you she has to be honest. You will eventually know about the truth someday, so she will not dare to lie.
4.) She will not maintain secret life or a separate group of friends who don't know.
TrainingTheBrain 9y ago
Solid post dude.
Fucking perfectly worded.
maximus_gladiator 9y ago
Honestly, you can never tell if a woman is girlfriend/wifey material. EVERY girl out there is incline to have a un-wifey side to them. The extent that they show it varies among each individual woman.
DELUSION "an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder."
It's a lottery as far as I'm concerned.
SILKYR3D 9y ago
Many women will hamster this by saying 'that's just me' or 'I don't change for no man'.
Women are insane, "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only men want to actively change and improve themselves.
Redrog1 9y ago
Going anal, it's a gamble for sure but not a lottery. It's not completely random. It's more like going all in on a poker game, you have some information but there is still lots of luck involved. You can win with what looked like a weak hand and lose with a strong one.
Pro poker players mitigate the variance by playing more. You win some you lose others and eventually when you have played a lot the trend goes towards the mean, your skill. The problem is that you can not marry a lot, so you just have to take the luck you get. Which is why some people advocate not marrying, too big of a gamble.
svogliate 9y ago
True.
Also: If you're certain that she's girlfriend/wife material, she isn't.
Don't get married, kids. Whatever marriage used to be, nowadays for a man it's just a raw deal.
LifeAtPeace 9y ago
Agreed. Marriage is slowly taking a totally different form. If you plan to get married now, imagine what it would be like after 10-20 years. And men who think can shield their wives' minds from being corrupted are wrong. You cannot control a person's thought process or capacity to become aware of new things. Given the fact that women are more social, they will become aware of and crave for things you might not want them to know about. Once they become of aware of something they have been missing, resentment slowly builds in their minds and it keeps exploding at you every now and then. Then they try to cross the line and any attempts from the husbands to stop them will be termed as controlling behavior/ abusiveness.
So, the point is, if you wish to get married, be prepared to deal with such things and even walk out of the marriage without going insane.
brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
The trouble is, the ones who are good relationship material are either spoken for by the age of 15, or they've since been dumped and are hitting the carousel. It's a catch-22.
Not saying it doesn't happen, but you're more likely to win the lottery.
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SILKYR3D 9y ago
'The good girls are already taken'.
realdev 9y ago
I think it's more locale. Rural areas have a lot more innocent girls. Big cities? Not so much.
RedPope 9y ago
I grew up rural. Those girls only act innocent. Pretense is necessary when everyone knows everyone else. The minute a new guy rides into town, it's a race to see who gets him first. Rednecks aggressively mate guard for a reason.
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I feel like "AWALT" applies here. Doesnt matter where they live. they all slew it up.
svogliate 9y ago
Seems like it ought to be true. Isn't. I've lived in the big city, the suburbs, and now farm country. Maybe it was true in 1950.
foldpak111 9y ago
Fuck the suburbs, city life with the country in small doses is what it's all about.
svogliate 9y ago
You haven't lived until you've walked with a country girl, so far into the land you own that everything you see in all directions belong to you; then you lay her down in the just-plowed earth, moist and warm from the summer sun, and fuck her senseless.
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
15? Any girl that age has no experience whatsoever. Effectively, you are saying all girls are inherently good. Which is something I can get behind.
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i was sexting for the first time in 7th grade. girls are sluts from the moment they are teenagers
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Say what? Sexting starts at 12, nowadays. It's absolutely crazy. The things you heard coming out of those millennials childs. Medias have completely burned our generations. The average age of the first time is a couple years lower than 15, for a female. Males takes more time.
sociosexualstatus 9y ago
Holy shit I'm so glad you said something about that, because I thought I was going crazy. I have a 12 year old little sister, and I went through her phone because she's always hiding something and she's always on it 24 fucking 7. Let me tell you I saw the raunchiest most sexual dirty fucking shit come out of this "innocent" little girls mouth, talking about fucking and anal and dicks with all her friends on kik. Her screen name was fuck_me_harder. She's a fucking 12 year Old in 7th grade for Christ fucking sakes. And she talks and texts more guys now than I ever talked to girls in all my school years leading up to 10th grade. Holy shit. I was reading through her texts with this one 14 year old kid, and she literally texts him copiously, sending 5 texts for every one he sends. In one of them she asked him if he stole from a store, he said yes, she got so happy sent a thousand Lols smiley faces and literally vagina tingled all over and inside the phone; she begged him for his snapchat after that. I see other 13 14 year old guys she met on instagram telling her to suck his dick and send him nudes and what not. Oh yea, and she has a snap chat, but that's not all, she fucking has more points than i do and I've had snap chat for years, she just recently got her phone. There's no doubt there have been multiple nudes sent to those many guys that she's friends on snap chat. A lot of them she met through instagram but still. Holy shit, before red pill I would've gone nuts. Needless to say I took away her phone and just let it go. But holy fucking shit, I wouldn't be surprised if she lost her virginity already.
TheRedPillOverdose 9y ago
I have a 15 year old sister, I'm going fucking nuts thinking about this, how da fuck to deal with it?
I won't have a dirty little whore for a sister...
sociosexualstatus 9y ago
Too fucking late bro, she's probably lost her virginity already. Look through her phone, get mad, then get over it. You'll thank me later.
TheRedPillOverdose 9y ago
The amount of anger one must go through before fully swallowing the red pill, god damn it.
sociosexualstatus 9y ago
You don't even know the fucking half of it.
sociosexualstatus 9y ago
Let's say you lost your virginity at 18. You think you were lucky, but it's strange because all the girls around you already lost theirs a long time ago, even the supposed nice girls.
On average, most of those girls probably lost it at the age of 13. They only needed two things, whatever little freedom they had from their parents to go shopping or whatever, and a text from the "right" horny guy who tells her to come over because he's horny and doesn't feel like masturbating. He's the right guy to your sister, but he's also the right guy to a bunch of other girls. All the girls want his genes. So all he needs to do to get laid and take girls virginities is text them and all them to hang out, the girls will do the rest to find themselves across the neighborhood losing their virginities because of "love". Guys like that usually have taken many many virginities, while the rest of us had to masturbate.
TheRedPillOverdose 9y ago
Ever since trp my whole fucking reality is different, I feel like almost nothing of my former self, been here for just a few days and already my views on people and things are not the same. Wonder how long will it take to get out of the "It was all a fucking lie" phase.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Imagine if you were 40, had a degree in counseling, and believed the blue pill lie your entire life. It can take as long as 6 months. See the sidebar on the stages of unplugging.
sociosexualstatus 9y ago
Dude I've been reading trp for over a year, have been thinking similar thoughts about this stuff way before I created this reddit account. There is no way that you can get out of it, it's fucking horrible, especially when you see newer and dirtier shit that girls do, it all becomes more and more rancid.
This fucking girl lied to me about me taking her virginity. She had a ONS with some frat dude the day before I took her virginity. I spent all semester with her. Could you even imagine how FUCKING ANGRY I can possibly be right now? She FUCKING LIED TO ME ALL FUCKING SEMESTER. She would secretively look at my abs and compare them to the guy that took her virginity, and she would be upset that I wasn't him. She was depressed all semester because he wouldn't stick around after having sex with her. I met the dude too, nice guy, said he doesn't have sex with a girl more than once, he was fucking beautiful in the face. What are we supposed to do right?
BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIT DID THAT MAKE ME FEEL FUCKING HORRIBLE, FOR KEEPING HER AROUND AFTER HAVING SEX WITH HER WHEN SOME OTHER DUDE TOOK HER VIRGINITY AND WOULDN'T EVEN TALK TO HER THE NEXT DAY! Bro, there is no boundary to my anger, I am afraid to say. Gonna hit the gym.
TreePlusTree 9y ago
It's all about exit strategy. She's cool, awesome. You love her and shit, good for you. But keep that helipad nice and clean, cause if/when shit hits the fan, the last thing you need is a child or a marriage between you and the extraction point.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Great Image! Always keep your LZ clear and don't let anything get between you and your extraction point. This is true in a one night stand or a 30 year marriage. Abundance.
Hatorader 9y ago
^This, as long as you have no ties except maybe the emotional ones, you did well.
watersign 9y ago
The unfortunate thing i've noticed is that very few women realize their most fertile years are in their early 20s and they squander it away riding the cock carousel, drinking excessively, doing drugs, ..basically not focusing on being a good mother. Then they cry when they're in their late 30s and are still single cause no decent guy would waste their time with them.
Heyimtitel 9y ago
I've been in a relationship for almost a year. From the start I had doubts that this is the right girl for me, but the sex was good so I didn't brake up with her. She was a slut, cheated on me and did't give a fuck. At least she helped me discover TRP.
tyofwa 9y ago
Okay; I'w with you.. this pertains to the age-old saying "dont stick your dick in Crazy". Now the $1m dollar question: how do you know they are crazy before the 3 month point?
rpscrote 9y ago
shit test like a girl. Put up obstacles shes got to overcome and see how she handles them. Cant really say what or how. I usually just wait the 3 months out and observe
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
Is she young? Is she single? Are her parents together? Does she party? There are many objective factors to consider in this day and age.
surfjihad 9y ago
This is a question for the ages
SunRaSquarePants 9y ago
People, both good and bad, will reveal themselves through their actions. It is impossible to know people right away, but it impossible for people to conceal themselves for long.
ilphae 9y ago
This is true, and people are not static either. We must be constantly gathering information and testing our assumptions. If you can't spot the sucker, it's you.
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LifeAtPeace 9y ago
Well, I would say marriage is constant hard work. You will have to go through a lots of ups and downs. And the time of ups or downs is not the same in all marriages. Some people experience the downs in 3 years, some in 5 and others after a decade. But if you have the patience and strength to steer through those difficult times, you will have a successful marriage (according to the society). Instead if you experience too many downs (ill health, financial woes, job loss, cheating of wife, lack of motivation) at the same time, you might fail to steer it through. In such a case, your marriage might be considered a failure (ending up in divorce). So, it is the journey you need to enjoy and be prepared to end the partnership to carry on alone.
t21spectre 9y ago
Well... One possibility is half your gross income going to child support and alimony/spousal maintenance, having virtually no assets/investments, living in a shitty apartment, driving a shitty car, and you'll get to see your kids every Saturday.
Just a potential outcome is all.
[deleted] 9y ago
man oh man. unluckypenguin can kiss half his shit goodbye
rpkarma 9y ago
And people wonder why I never want to get married. My divorced dad doesn't, though.
SILKYR3D 9y ago
I told my mom that I didn't want to get married. She said this is one of the smartest things you've ever said
bsutansalt 9y ago
♂ There is a ton of wisdom in this post and I hope you all take the time to really consider it.
CUNTASAURUS_REX 9y ago
I was just browsing reddit and this post explained 99% of my last ex. Holy shit...can't stop reading this sub now
FooleryCommaTom 9y ago
Buckle up, bud. There's a wild, eye opening ride ahead.
xiko 9y ago
The sidebar is gold. Go there first.
ECoast_Man 9y ago
This is true. Women are much better liars than men because their hamsters tell then it is not 'lying'. It's sick really.
All I would add is this. It is impossible for a woman to completely change. Even the most skilled ho's becoming housewives will reveal their true selves. Shit test out of nowhere, personal change when drunk, whatever. The question becomes- do you male hamster this away? Or remember and act upon it?
As men, we all fucking remember this shit. We do. This translates into what OP is saying - there is a voice telling you there is a red flag so fucking act on it.
HeadingRed 9y ago
Gold above my friends. The ability for a woman to suspend disbelief in the face of physics is quite large. As long as they believe something to be true it is. Men do this as well but in my experience women seem to do it more.
Keep in mind for women truth lies in the perceived motivation and not just in the action? She knocks over and breaks something of yours? It's only because she was working hard to do something nice for you. You do the same thing? It's different because you did it because you never think about her.
Start paying attention to when she starts with the motivation rather than the action\accomplishment. When a women spends a lot of time telling you the "why" before the "what" you are in for a moment of flexible truth.
neveragoodtime 9y ago
That's golden. She will qualify herself to you, and she will remove all doubt. Or she's not worth it. Don't enter an LTR on a wing and a prayer, because of head or happiness or fear. Ask yourself what you do for the relationship, then ask yourself what she does for it.
SystemicChaos 9y ago
Saved. I just wish I had known this before I threw away seven years of intense effort to appease a bitch.
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HumanSockPuppet 9y ago
The greatest honour a woman can earn is the honour of being selected by you to aid you in your mission - in effect, to be your business partner.
In order to be selected for the role, she must demonstrate her competence and her loyalty to you.
The matter itself has very little to do with sex explicitly...it just so happens that a woman's sexual loyalty in particular is a predictor of her loyalty in general.
That's why sex matters so much, in spite of the fact that it matters so little.
LifeAtPeace 9y ago
You seem like a wise old man.
HumanSockPuppet 9y ago
I'm old enough to get away with lying about my age, but young enough to not need to do it.
sailorJery 9y ago
fun thing to notice, betas and whores will always say something along the lines of "it's just sex"
asdfghjkltyu 9y ago
Id run from any woman that says that. Its the calling card of whores.
[deleted] 9y ago
This. Too many posts on here related to asking her for her partner count. Much better to read between the lines.
ajaxatax 9y ago
Because men on trp are always honest about partner count and would never inflate their sexual prowess to be alpha... , oh and all men have dicks AT LEAST 6"
thredditsowaway 9y ago
One of my favorite tests of a girl's respect for you is whether she's willing to admit a high number. If she admits her double-digit killcount to you, she wants you to see her sexually, because she sees you sexually. If you can tell she's lying, she's hiding her sexuality because she doesn't see you sexually. She's looking at your wallet.
RPSigmaStigma 9y ago
This! I just had a chick last week that I was flirting with hard. I steered the conversation to toward being a man-whore and then asked what her number was. She openly admitted to me that she's "ruined" for any kind of relationship. She didn't give a number, but admitted that she had cheated on almost every boyfriend she's had. And then, one thing lead to another... :P
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abdada 9y ago
A gal asked me why no guy in her network wants to date her (anymore). I told her point blank "Everyone knows you've been with 100 guys. Who wants to marry that?"
So she says "I've only been with like 5 guys."
I reply "Me too."
"Don't you mean girls?"
"No, guys. If you're going to lie about your number, I will, too."
But she swears it's only "about 5" even though I know 20 who tapped it. In the last year.
Their brains don't function like ours do. It's why you can tell a woman you have a 10" dick and she will believe it. Women can't count or measure for shit.
jcrpta 9y ago
Oh, they can. But the hamster's power knows no bounds.
What about Dave? "Oh, I never had an orgasm with him. That doesn't count".
What about Gary? "I was really drunk. That doesn't count".
What about that boyfriend you had for three months? "He had a really small penis, that doesn't count".
What about Neil? "I kept my knickers on throughout. It's not my fault he pushed them to one side! Anyway, because of that, it doesn't count".
What about Adam? "He came as soon as he got inside me, I don't think he managed more than a single thrust. Doesn't count".
What about the Accrington Stanley football team? "I didn't let any of them finish inside me; none of them count".
The worst bit?
She actually believes every word of this. Nothing you can say or do will change her mind.
foldpak111 9y ago
This is how women operate. You can give them a lie detector test about their number, and they will pass it because they truly believe it. That is terrifying.
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Actually, if you were a 30 year old virgin with an attractive woman in a cab with you going home to fuck when she asks "How many women have you been with?" you wouldn't say 0
abdada 9y ago
You'd be surprised how many male virgins admit to it.
Like it's a trophy or something.
[deleted] 9y ago
Depends on how its pitched.
If I had to break adult virgins into categories, you'd have the religious celibates, the incompetent fucks, the guys with deep seated trust issues, and the emotional male- the ones who want to fuck someone they actually like rather than just some walking hole, yet find that the women they interact with tend to be emotionally about as solid as a napkin in a hurricane.
ReashC 9y ago
Admitting to be a virgin is all about confidence. When I was a virgin, I didn't give a fuck if someone knew I was a virgin. Even then girls assued I had slept with over 30 girls and it was nowhere near the truth.
I was just confident in myself and admitting to being virgin never turned off anyone.
Just sharing my thoughts.
garlicextract 9y ago
Not like its a trophy, more out of self-consiousness and self-doubt, probably a large dose of insecurity as well.
Source: told the girl I lost it to that she was my first before the fact
gigahut 9y ago
I tell them all I'm a virgin. It then becomes their mission to "deflower" me.
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
This. Playing Beta is one of the best examples of amused mastery you can have. Shit, tell them you never even kissed a girl and just want to feel a boob for once. They know your lying. They know you know their game and they love it.
speakertable 9y ago
Only works if you're actually attractive. If a fat unattractive dude told a girl "I'm a virgin" she would absolutely believe it.
foldpak111 9y ago
I do the beta act all the time, they love it and tell me stop it and a cute giggle.
pizza_tron 9y ago
No. Women read emotions. They aren't as visual as we are. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a smoking hot girl with a fat guy. Our attraction triggers are different.
If you say "I'm a virgin" with subtext of shame, you're out. If you say the same thing with the right subtext, you're in.
Fat is actually not that bad. Women want protectors and a large man makes them feel safe. Most men don't really understand this and think women want the same thing they do, an in shape smoking hot partner. In general terms, men who shave their chests, spend too much time at the gym , metro sexuals, nice guys, etc think women have the same attraction triggers we do. Women want a MAN. Sometimes men are harry, smelly, dirty, big, loud, clunky, rough, mean, etc.
One time my female friends were talking about a man at the grocery store. He must have just finished a long day working a physical job. As she was walking by, smelled his body odor and something in him triggered her primal instincts. She was like "(wifffffff)MAN! Mmmm" All of them looked at her and were like "YEAH! GIMME DAT MEAT" My mind was blown.
Edit: Stay plugged in guys. More pussy for me...
Fat Tinder date experiment
vengefully_yours 9y ago
I'm a walking example of this. Not tall, thin, or ripped, have a barrel chest with a belly, sure as fuck don't look wealthy either, yet I get ioi from all kinds of women, hot and not. I can fuck hot 20 somethings who are half my age easily, and yeah quite a number of them want the intimidating burly man.
A morbidly obese, can't see his dick, fat fuck is not the same thing.
If I were taller, didn't have the belly, it would be far easier and id get hotter girls with less effort, so it definitely limits you, but it doesn't mean you're completely unattractive and can't get laid.
It's obvious I'm not a virgin, but I can say I play one on TV.
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I dunno about the pizza but this dude is definitely a tron
speakertable 9y ago
Possibly, but they're still somewhat visual. You're delusional if you're asserting that a physically unattractive guy saying "I'm a virgin" will have the same effect as a physically attractive guy saying it.
Delivery matters somewhat, but you've severely underestimating the importance of looks. People that say that are either extremely good looking, or are unattractive and get no pussy but want to believe that they can, or have compensated (unconsciously) via status or wealth. Which one are you?
I rarely see it. Unless the guy is really tall, or is wealthy and is acting as a sugar daddy, or most commonly - they're just friends.
aguy01 9y ago
Physical attractiveness is affected hugely by dress and style and personality. A fat guy in grey sweatpants and a stained tshirt sends off a totally different vibe then the same guy with cool clothes and accessories and a personality consistent with that.
speakertable 9y ago
No shit? When did I assert otherwise?
pizza_tron 9y ago
Didn't say that. Two guys equally matched in every way aside from looks, the more attractive guy will win every time. That doesn't mean the unattractive guy will never get success though.
You're over estimating it. Honestly, I can't help your personal opinion. You're projecting your views onto the world without knowing the facts. Heard mentality supports what you are saying but that's not the case. I've seen and experienced otherwise.
Keep an eye out. You'll see it eventually.
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
Actually, it's quite evident that you are wrong. Look at Hollywood movie stars that are deemed attractive. Guys like Channum Tatum or Brad Pitt. Both muscular and unattractive. Then look at that fat dude from Superbad and his dorky friend (don't remember their names). Both are hilarious, neither are sexy.
speakertable 9y ago
Good for you, because I've seen and experience contrary to what you've seen and experienced.
Go ahead then, show me your so-called "facts".
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[deleted] 9y ago
whats sexual "exploration" for you? sucking dick in the bathroom 30 minutes after meeting a guy? do you think that instills respect in a man who is looking for a wife?
[deleted] 9y ago
That's completely normal.
There's a difference between a woman who explores her sexuality, and one that sleeps with a lot of guys. One's completely normal as a point of biology. The other demonstrates an inability to interact with other people, recognize traits you like, and form relationships with people you feel are beneficial to have in your life.
Additionally, statistically, women who reported having more sexual partners were far more likely to be divorced later in life.
A man who controls his behavior solely as a point of not getting thrown in prison isn't a very good human being either. The assumption with a woman who's slept around in her prime years and then settled down once she got older was that she was unable to mature properly. So after a history of not committing, why should the claim that she's committed now be taken any differently? Its like asking a known womanizer to commit. If they do commit you start asking yourself if they're doing it because they actually like who they found, or if it's just an emotional shock collar.
NakedAndBehindYou 9y ago
I don't have the link but there is a regularly shared graph around here from a scientific study that found that higher partner count before marriage is directly correlated with risk of a marriage ending in divorce.
abdada 9y ago
Just being committed to being a perfect partner isn't always enough. Sleeping with a lot of people can have long term, even permanent hormonal and psychological effects. It can artificially and subconsciously raise a person's valuation of what they're worth -- and it can create difficult expectations long term.
Modified_Hackware 9y ago
Partner count is a non linear risk of divorce and or infidelity for women, no one knows exactly why but the supposed mechanism is that it impairs the ability of a female to pair bond properly due to oxytocin resistance.
There's been small but growing acknowledgement that male N count also contributes negatively to fidelity but in a much more linear manner.
The issue with your post, even from an admitted anecdotal standpoint is that you have no idea how actually committed those people are, every single one could be cheating right now or planning a break up. Or not. They might all be genuinely faithful but the increased risk is still there so as long as one commands the appropriate SMV you can mitigate that risk by not entertaining "reformed" sluts.
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EndoScorpion 9y ago
It's important to read a lot of trp material before posting. Look up hypergamy, cuckholdry, divorce rape, and false rape allegations. Female deceptiveness is just one way for women to social climb and land alpha fux, preserve their social image in front of other girls and maybe use beta orbiters. It's a big social game.
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Modified_Hackware 9y ago
Because it's common knowledge in here and your xx status confers no privilege for being lazy in TRP. Honestly if you're curious about things then read the side bar or ask broader questions in redpillwomen.
runnerrun2 9y ago
While not wrong, this is only half the story. It has the usual fallacy of making it all about the woman and ignoring your own responsibility in the matter. There have been some good posts on TRP about this lately.
On the spectrum of whether they will are LTR-material or just fucktoys, some will be hopeless for LTRs (this is what the OP is about), some will be loyal always (these are typically more boring women) and then there's a big grey area of women who could make a good LTR/wife if you keep them properly motivated.
If you are naturally alpha (or have learned to adopt this frame), sociable, somewhat narcissistic and focussed on improving your own life, doing typically beta things like being kind, showing you appreciate her and that you think highly of her will absolutely make her committed to you.
The typical mistake people who swallow the red pill seem to make is that they suddenly see these more alpha, even asshole moves as having a good effect and then they think this is all they'll have to do. And lateron they're left confused why the quality women don't want to stay around.
NightwingTRP 9y ago
I think after reading this, everybody should immediately go and read the Rational Male article on Good Girls
This will remind the men with less experience why the LTR game is so dangerous if you don't already have a significant amount of experience with women, and esp with those "bad girls who've never been caught."
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
That touches on another of Rollo's better points:
If you find yourself wondering whether she's interested, then she isn't. If she wants to fuck you, you'll know it.
His friend in the Good Girls post was in that position. She wasn't interested, but he kept wondering. Plus she was never a "good girl" to begin with. She knowingly strung that guy (and likely others) along, then fucked some minor VIP the night she met him (and this probably wasn't the first such instance.) He got jerked around.
foldpak111 9y ago
I agree but I also disagree. I've had girls tell me years later that they had a crush on me but I wouldn't make a move. I never knew, or maybe I was just too naïve to notice.
bsutansalt 9y ago
Ego protection is going to short-circuit a lot of guys on this. Many would rather continue wondering than accept the fact she wasn't interested as a way of avoiding being rejected. When I see guys arguing this point, that if she WAS interested you'd damn well know it, it's mainly just their ego getting in the way. I know this because I've done this in the past and recognize it can be damn difficult to avoid.
Audunis 9y ago
Pretty, pleasant, deferential, feminine. If you doubt any one of them then no
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Audunis 9y ago
I don't need rational, at least not the male rationality. Largely because I don't expect it, and I tend to associate femininity more with being nurturing and kind.
thenarrrowpath 9y ago
I've read on here before that you take the number she gave you and times it by that number. So if 3, then really 9. If 5 then really 25. Obviously an exaggeration for the majority of women, but still funny and kind of true
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
No, it is not but the rule is to triple it.
So 5 becomes 15, not 25.
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Never marry or cohabit with a woman. They are only worth the sum of their holes.
HellhoundsOnMyTrail 9y ago
I really don't understand why this is people's goal. If I thought for a second I could only have one pussy for the rest of my life I'd lose it.
HumanSockPuppet 9y ago
He's not talking about monogamy or exclusivity or even sex in general. Sitting on your dick is not the greatest achievement a woman can earn. Any slut can have that 15-minute experience.
The greatest reward a woman can earn is the honour of being chosen to join you in your mission.
A woman who is worth spending your life with gives you emotional support when things get rough, she speaks good about you in social circles to strengthen your reputation, and she handles the granular living details (like food, housekeeping, clothing, etc) so you can focus on the larger, more demanding challenges (like developing and implementing strategies to beat the competition).
A woman worth LTRing will bet on you, and then she'll do everything in her feminine power to make sure her bet is a good one - because the outcome benefits both of you. She binds her fate to yours and works with you to ensure your success together.
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Because it's more than having "one pussy to fuck" - it's about having a competent co-pilot with a different skill set that complements your own. It's about having a different brain to help you navigate the hardships of life and give a perspective that you may not have.
If you think of a wife as just a pussy, then don't get married - ever. You won't find happiness.
abdada 9y ago
The funny thing is that most of my peers who think they can't settle for just one pussy have already settled for just one income.
Weird how that works.
milkyboon 9y ago
This is comment is deeeeeeep. Could you elaborate?
abdada 9y ago
Think about it.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket sexually.
Or financially.
Or domestically.
Thanos_Stomps 9y ago
I agree with you but the consequences of leaving a job for a new job or a career for a new career, or a home for a new town, state or even country won't yield the same sort of consequences. Child support can cripple you financially, having a child with the wrong woman can leave you with obligations that will never allow you to leave your town. Just some thoughts off the top of my head but your point still stands.
abdada 9y ago
True, but there are ways to protect your income streams if necessary. I always suggest talking to a men's rights lawyer in your state when you get there, and ask him what horror stories he's heard and what you can do to protect your assets.
milkyboon 9y ago
So have more than one income, have more than one sexual partner.
Hrrrm... Sounds good
abdada 9y ago
It isn't just a rule, it's the law.