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TL;DR Woman confesses she slept with 17 men to her boyfriend thinking he is 'sex positive' and won't mind. Turns out he does and she posts for validation.
She starts out with this:
We were initially talking about PIV numbers, and my PIV number is lower than what my BF thought was "high, but not crazy high". But then I asked him if he was also considering foreplay, and he said he supposed he would feel the same about foreplay partners. Bam, my number doubles.
So her number of 'foreplay' is double the men she actually had sex with. Then she adds:
Fine.. 17 PIV patners, ~20 Foreplay partners.
That doesn't seem like double. That means she fucked 85% of the guys she messed around with. Makes me think she's lying about her number too.
In the updated post, her boyfriend has completely changed his attitude with her. She responds by hamstering
From the post:
So, he is indeed disgusted by me. He says we are different people. He says he never knew me. His opinion of me has now changed.
He talked some mild shit to me. "You don't even know how many guys you blew, you can't even give me a number" I had given him an approximate number of how many people that'd gone down on me / the other way around, but it wasn't exact.
So she doesn't even know the amount of guys she's had 'foreplay' with. Geesh.
Yesterday, before I posted here, I sent him a message that explained that women fudge their numbers for a lot of reasons. Girls often experience crazy pressure when they're teenagers, and end up doing things they don't want to until they get to the point where they're able to tell guys to fuck off and leave them alone. I told him that probably 5-10 of my foreplay experiences that I told him happened under these circumstance; that I was pressured into doing more than I wanted because I still didn't know how to tell a guy to fuck off.
She was practically raped! Most girls with any self respect will know to tell a guy to fuck off. When I was a teen, my mom told me how guys would look down on a girl they thought was 'easy' and that a girl's virtue was important. For this woman to use the excuse that all young women 'give it up' is ridiculous. She was just slutty.
We aren't broken up yet. He says he still loves me. He says he doesn't think breaking up necessarily has to happen. I'm just worried that things won't ever be the same. He says that is what he is worried about as well.
He'll either stay with her and cheat or leave her. Why doesn't she just dump him?
I am heartbroken. My two kids refer to him as their stepdad. My daughter asks me once a week when the wedding is. I graduate in May, and I've been looking for jobs to move me and my two kids to his city, to live with him.
Beta bux. Of course. He's a good provider who put a ring on it and she can't lose her meal ticket. Who wants to take bets on the kids not even being from the same father? She doesn't even mention who he is
He was always so sex positive. But he said that just because he was okay with it, doesn't mean that's what he wants for himself. I feel like dirt. He knew that I came from a shitty family and that I had daddy issues.
Just because a guy claims he's a feminist doesn't mean she's going to be okay with her future wife having been passed around.
Oh, and his number is 7. That's not even as low as I thought. AND he's only been in a relationship with 3 people!! So he's speaking to me with contempt, has lost his respect for me, says sex isn't special to me, but... he also will have sex outside of a relationship?
That's ten less partners than she has. And I'm guessing he actually had to put in some effort to get those partners. All she had to do was go to a bar and get picked up.
Then she keeps texting him, not realizing it's over even after he tells her these honest truths:
"I can't believe you were literally with an unknown number of guys" I'm just sitting here literally begging him to love me still, and I can't believe that I'm begging someone who is being so awful to me... We are messaging now and he is currently telling me that I wouldn't even recognize a guy I'd been intimate with if I saw him. I'd have to pick him out of a dick lineup. I'm literally begging him to speak to me with respect now. He says, "I wanted to fuckin marry you and my life is the joke from clerks". I'm so heart broken.
Which causes her to go into hamster mode and post this:
"Actually, his life is Chasing Amy - the one where an insecure guy freaks out, interrogates the woman and ruins a great thing due to his petty jealousy and immaturity." I'm glad that I have people close to me and even on the internet to remind me that I've done nothing wrong and I don't deserve the hate and disrespect you're giving me. If I didn't, you'd be doing some pretty bad damage. What a time we live in."
Translation: Thank you for validating my bad life choices and even though I lost this beta bux, I'll know to keep my mouth shut in the future.
The top comments:
You need to break up with him. He will never let this go.
Except it's hard for a 29 year old, single mother of 2 to find a good beta bux right?
Your boyfriend needs to grow the fuck up. Stop apologizing for having sex before you met him. Stop letting him put you down and insult you.
Hell, even Clerks itself has this message. Dante freaks out because his girlfriend has blown so many guys, but he's shown to be the shitty, irrational one - both she and Randall point out to him that no matter how many guys she's been with in the past, Dante is the guy she's with now, and the only guy she's with. She brings him his favourite food to work, and she's trying to inspire him to go back to school and open up possibilities for his life. She's an amazing girlfriend, and it's his own stupid insecurity that fucks it up because he can't get past her having sucked a lot of dick.
Right? OP's number isn't what I'd consider "high." Her soon-to-be-ex is probably just butt-hurt that his is lower.
Bonus Beta comment:
Look, I know this post is flooded, but I wanted to throw my experience in in case it helps.
I was your boyfriend once. I considered myself "sex positive" and a feminist. I believed that women could have sex with whoever they wanted, however often they wanted, and that it wasn't anyone's place to tell them otherwise or feel any kind of way about it. And then when my current partner told me her number (over double mine for sex, can't even count how many foreplay/etc) I couldn't handle it. Being sex positive is easy when it doesn't affect you.
Guys experience a ridiculous amount of social influence telling us that we win love by having the biggest dicks and being the best in bed. Sexual prowess is inscribed into the male ethos. It's bullshit, and I thought I was over it. Then, I had to deal with a real live woman challenging those feelings. I'd never actually dealt with it.
All this to say that it's completely on your boyfriend to recognize that his feelings are the product of what is essentially brainwashing, and aren't legitimate if he considers you as a person and not as "his girlfriend." It took me time and effort. I pitched a fit, my girlfriend listened and validated my feelings the first time, and then after a week or so of my whining she told me in no uncertain terms to knock it the fuck off. It took effort, but I did, and I can now honestly say that her sexual past doesn't bother me any more.
Don't hate your boyfriend for this - I don't think it's entirely his fault. But it is his responsibility, and you absolutely do not have to deal with it. If he can't learn this lesson now, with you, then he'll learn it with someone else, or he'll learn it alone. His call. You've done everything right.
Men are brainwashed by the patriarchy to have high standards and instead of refusing to date promiscuous women you should just, 'accept' their past. Otherwise you're a narrow minded asshole. I'm sure this won't come back to haunt him in the future.
gayt0r 8y ago
First of all, I disagree with the boyfriend in this situation. I don't think how many sexual partners you've had in your life should affect anything. Just fucking break up with your significant other if it bothers you so much.
But I really despise how she keeps trying to rationalize with daddy issues, feminism, and gender roles. These were horrible excuses, and she didn't have to excuse herself in the first place. She should just have shut the fuck up because she made herself sound so dumb.
Smitty6 8y ago
Women really don't seem to understand that men do not want women with high N counts. I think the reason why they don't understand is because they are always impressed with a man with a high N count. It just doesn't mean the same thing to men when looking for a LTR with a women. A women with a high N count means she is easy plate material. She could still be a fun girl to fuck around with but she is not worth commitment. Nothing good will come of it in the long run.
fap_the_pain_away 8y ago
You can't turn a ho into a housewife.
Nature_Made 8y ago
Because god forbid they get to the point where they're able to tell guys to stop that, because everybody knows they could do that when they were 4 years old.
NoFatChicks88 8y ago
oh man i laughed hard when i got to the part where she mentioned the fact that she's got 2 kids that refer to her bf as stepdad
razormachine 8y ago
I told him that probably 5-10 of my foreplay experiences that I told him happened under these circumstance; that I was pressured into doing more than I wanted because I still didn't know how to tell a guy to fuck off
This is also pure gold. Apparently it takes a lot of time to learn how to say no.
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[deleted] 8y ago
If it's her fault it's rape.
recon_johnny 8y ago
"Foreplay. You keep misspelling blowjob"
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NecroticFury 8y ago
Hookup culture has deep roots.
nomad-oz 8y ago
Her foreplay No refers to the number of guys that went down on her. She use that as foreplay because it is waaay lower than the number of blowjobs she has given away. Even then she does not give an exact number.
I bet her original sex No. of 17 is not the truth either. She states she thought he was sex positive so she gave a number she though he would accept.
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merkmerk73 8y ago
'Sleeping with' , 'been with' , 'messed around'
Danedina 8y ago
a classic euphemism, because what is it "before"? Him shooting in your hair?
unassumingusername7 8y ago
Yea she was pressured and couldn't say no, then proceeded to put herself in the same situation with 4 - 9 other men.
And it's her boyfriend who's got a problem.
J_AsapGem 8y ago
LMFAO dude this comment made my day haha fucking brilliant.
razormachine 8y ago
After 4-9 other man she finally found out that she can say no BEFORE they stick a dick up her throat. :D
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
OP fiance numbers have to be bullshit, you can tell that real numbers are x3 stated, 45 PIV and 100+ dicks sucked. Truly the town whore ( I mean slut).
razormachine 8y ago
Well she honestly cant remember each and all of them. Either she has a crappy memory, or she was miss cumdump 2010.
Jeffrey_Forbes 8y ago
Honestly if she was at 17 by age 29 not all hope would be lost. However I know damn well if a girl says 17 the answer is at least 50.
EvrythingISayIsRight 8y ago
Just another way women put their spin on it to make them look like the victim. Now you can't get mad at them, instead, you have to sympathize with them or else you're a jerk.
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thewalex 8y ago
Then, a little bit later... an edit and clarification.
Last time I checked, 17*2 =/= 20
So I think either she was low-balling and gradually trickle truthing him to the real number of PIV partners. Or she's not good at Math... Or now she's under-representing the number of "foreplay partners" And I'm guessing foreplay is oral, anal, and
Who knows if she's left out ones that didn't count of fit into those categories, or ones that she regretted, or ones that happened while she was drunk.
Time and time again the advice of TRP for situations like this follows a recipe:
For the short-term, you should assume the worst and not ask. This is a question that you don't want a concrete answer to.
You, especially should not be the one to ask or bring up the subject!!
It pretty much breaks your frame even showing that you are persistent in discovering the discrete value. Along those lines you should not be volunteering a discrete value for your number. As TRP veterans say, amused mastery is key. Find a way to hint but not give an actual number if she brings it up and if she is persistent in getting answer from you. Give her some clues and let her mind and hamster race around trying to fill in the fine details.
Based on his reaction, she can tell his level of experience and number of partners is low. From her tone it sounds like she's lost respect for him.
Now personally, for any consideration as a LTR, it's helpful to know or at least have an idea what your partner's number is. You should be able to glean this information based on stories she shares or her behavior around other guys and at "no-judgement" ladies nights. Again, do not ask, and let your perception and deductive reasoning skills do the work.
Essentially, she's saved this guy the whole wedding, etc. by letting him know her true self early. He decided this was a dealbreaker, as I probably also would have (if not for the single mom, other red flags).
i2amahandmodel 8y ago
OK, First; we all know she is low-balling her numbers for sure. Second; don't ever LTR a single mom. That's just basic science. Third; beta bux. She ran the "love" scam. No woman will truly love a man except his mom.
Which one of you are red pilling up the comments section!? Just watch them in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
And if you are advanced enough you will see that the standard "dump the chump" advice is given by everyone (and it is the best thing she can do for the guy)
No one sees what she is truly asking. She wants advice on how to manipulate him back into being mr. provider and dropping the whole issue. There is no way she wants to break up. Why are they having this conversation 4 years later? You know he always suspected this of her and this isn't a new issue for him.
thewalex 8y ago
It's definitely not me red pilling the comments! That's just asking for downvotes and a ban. I think our usual strategy is that if a man that could use TRP advice posts and gets shit advice from the normal posters, we will send the OP PMs. And no PMs if the guy is hopelessly BB.
I concur, I hope she dumps him and he can move on!
i2amahandmodel 8y ago
Sorry, I didn't mean you. I just piggybacked on your comment to address everyone. Don't non TRPers see the same tired pattern to these posts. Its always "dump him, he doesnt deserve you!" "You did nothing wrong!"
ibangbang 8y ago
She means she had sex with 17 partners, and engaged in "foreplay" with "approximately" 20 additional partners. She doesn't say, but foreplay probably means "came on her or in her mouth."
It probably doesn't include an even higher number who made it to second base and no further.
razormachine 8y ago
This was 4 years into the relationship. O.o
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Pulling a 100 bj train counts as foreplay, and 1 notch for her. Guaranteed.
razormachine 8y ago
Essentially, she's saved this guy the whole wedding, etc. by letting him know her true self early. He decided this was a dealbreaker, as I probably also would have (if not for the single mom, other red flags).
This was 4 years into the relationship. :)
[deleted] 8y ago
Any guy with logic skills saves himself from the wedding.
thewalex 8y ago
Then it's good thing it wasn't any longer! :D And without marriage or additional kids he'd fathered, he'll be able to walk away easier with minimal legal repercussions!
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The_TRP_Account 8y ago
Just a couple things on the Bonus Beta Comment:
When people use the phrase "I can honestly say", it precedes something they're lying to themselves about. It's a tool for repression and denial. If it were true, they'd just say it. But they need to tack on that little qualifier to hold down the truth they know deep down. That's my theory, anyway. Feel free to observe it being used and see whether you agree.
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Try saying that to a woman and see how things go! Think he would? No! It's okay to say about the boyfriend though. Because...
Well, big fucking surprise! OP getting told she did everything right! I've never seen that before!
BaltoSquadGuy 8y ago
Yup, totally agree. Another prime indicator someone is lying? "We're just friends." Or "He is just a friend! Nothing happened!"
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myprimetime 8y ago
For me partner count is very important for serious dating. Honestly, I don't give a shit how many guys you've been with if it's just a hookup...but if you want commitment, I want it to be special for you, I don't want to be just guy #X.
Now I might be a hypocrite since my partner count is at 45 right now. But it's precisely because of this that I'm so picky for dating. Sex is easy, and for women it's even easier. The apps make it possible for them to live out their wildest fantasies with no repercussions. They can get a bunch of alphas to stick their dicks in them on a very short notice.
And it fucks with their little minds.
A woman with a high partner count will have very unrealistic expectations of her worth. Just because a few desperate 8s stuck their dick in you, doesn't mean you actually warrant an 8 for dating. But they dont' see that. They think that if a high value male used them to get off, that suddenly that's what they are worth...which means unless you are willing to date well below your value, that she'll always think like she is doing you a favor and is settling for you...which fucks up the balance of a relationship.
And the more guys she's been with, the higher the chance that she was alpha widowed. Which means she'll always resent you for not being that guy. BTW, she'll ALWAYS view that guy through rose tinted glasses. He might have been a 5'7 analyst making $60K/yr at a bank with a 5 inch penis who only lasted 2 minutes. But over years through her memories, he'll change into a 6'0 adonis investment banker millionaire with a 8 inch penis that banged her out for a good hour. So even if you are better than the guy actually was, you'll never be able to compete with the distorted version that she remembers.
Women are the gate keepers of sex, and men are the gate keepers of commitment. If you can get easy sex, then you need to be extra picky about who you decide to give your commitment to. And partner count is a very good filter for quality values.
That's why they are all lying about their numbers. If casual sex was no big deal, they wouldn't have to lie about it, they would just say outright...yes I've fucked 20 men. What of it? But instead you get "oh it's been 3-5 and all of them were serious boyfriends".
BrunoOh 8y ago
And they will compound their lovers, too. Say one guy was ripped, one was extremely witty, one was 6ft4, another made $150k a year...then she'll feel she has settled if you are nowhere near one of those things.
fullhalf 8y ago
long story but read it, it's worth it.
a similar situation happened to me and it destroyed me. it was my first love, i was 17 years old. my gf and i went out with her female friend and some guys that i barely know and my male friends. her friend is still single and flirting with those guys. she runs around like an idiot flirting with them too like taking their hats and shit. they don't respond sexually, they are quite respectful. i was actually a tough guy amongst them. so i keep telling her to stand next to me and to cut it out but she won't. so when i drove her home i told her about it and she refuse to stop doing it. yea, she was just stupid. so i broke up with her right there. this was on friday. then on sunday, her friend messages me and saids that she wanted to get back together. so i take her back. we both loved each other very much.
then like a few days later, i get an im from someone i knew in real life but only in passing. she was not on my buddylist. she goes, "your gf let guys feel her tits." i kept asking to explain and i just wouldn't believe her. so suddenly i get another im, it's a guy i don't know. i've actually seen him before but don't who he is. he tells me that she let him and his friends feel her titties and that she had nice tits. so i ask my gf if it's true and she confessed right away. let me tell you, that first time feeling, at such a young age, it was immense. this is what happened.
that saturday night, those guys(who she met from the female friend from the beginning) talked to her and somehow they asked her to hang out with them BUTTTTTT at 1am. yes, 1 fucking am. so she sneaks out of her house and gets in their car, it was 4 guys. one of the guys get out and let her sit in the middle in the back seat. so she's apparently depressed from the break up and not up beat with them or something. i'm honestly not sure 100%. either way, eventually she said that one of the guys in the back seat poked her titties. she didn't react bad to it so he starts feeling and squeezing. she lets it happen then the guy on the left join in. then the guy on the front passenger seat join in. the driver had a gf so he opted out. then they pulled up her shirt and basically just did what they wanted. luckily(or not so luckily) they were young and didn't go beyond that. they were probably all virgins and shit. sounds to me like they could've gangbanged her if they wanted to.
well, that girl who im me was a sad bitch and wanted everyone to suffer like her so she told everyone. so now, as a self respecting man, i just couldn't be with this girl who i loved. if she had fucked just one guy, i could've been ok with it. instead, she did it with 3 and everyone knows. she begs to get back with me. then for months after, i never accepted to going out with her but i just met up with her briefly then had sex with her. eventually, i was morally and emotionally drained from doing that and broke up with her for good.
then when i was 18, this was back in 2004. the pua scene was just picking up. it was disorganized and people just posted in forums. i pirated a seminar of david deangelo. he recommended a book called "sperm wars" by robin baker. the moment i read that book, everything was illuminated. i was redpill. it explained so many interactions that i had had with women leading up to that point. it all made sense(however, he reaches in some theories and should not be taken at 100%).
one of his theories was why men get horny when they realized they were cuckold. that's what happened to me with my gf. i think for like 5 years after, that shit was still making me horny and i just always reached for it to spank to. the reasoning being that when you realized your girl has been cheating on you, it makes you super horny so you can fuck her and cum buckets and engage in a "sperm war" with the guy who just fucked her. not 100% of your sperm is meant to enter the egg. most of it are warrior sperm meant to suicide with enemy sperm.
the book also explain why a dick is shaped like a mushroom and why a dick is big or small. the bigger the dick the better it can dig out enemy sperm during sex. that's why the moment you cum, your dick hurts so bad that it makes you stop pumping. you're not suppose to pump after cumming or it'll dig out your own sperm. when as you get soft in the pussy, the foreskin sheathe the mushroom head so when you pull out, it wont dig any sperm at all. see how amazing evolution is?
so the bigger the dick, the more sexual competition there is in a group of people. even today, black guys have the biggest dicks and it's not a surprise that black people cheat the most. for those who don't understand natural selection, let me clarify. lets say a group of people cheated a lot and there was sperm wars all the time. well, a guy with a small dick can not scoop out his enemy's sperm so he can only rely on his sperm warriors to win the fight. therefore, his chances of spreading his genes are less and less. eventually, the probability of a male born with a bigger dick goes up. genes don't pass on 100% that's why not all black guys are huge although it is more common amongst them. einstein and feyman's kids are just slightly above average intelligence even though they were geniuses.
30303030303030 8y ago
makes you think?
You can bet your life on it and go to sleep knowing you are safe.
McLarenX 8y ago
I like how she conveniently didn't mention if those two kids were from the same dad or a past LTR (she would have to save face.) Chances are, tons of Chads have shotgunned in her pussy and the paternity is unsure.
aherne18 8y ago
Plus even if confronted with the real number, she only made an "estimation":D This is her hamster against being honest with herself and admit the number is UNKNOWN, as for any other empowered woman. Too bad for her kids being born...
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks for that mental image.
ZioFascist 8y ago
lol, this shit is like a documented evidence of the collapse of society
Luckyluke23 8y ago
my question is: what do you do here?
most girls number are high becuse, fuck, lets face it. if any of us guys was getting pussy like they was getting dick we would have fucked the whole town by now ( well most of them. leave the uggos out)
what i'm trying to say is. It's something to keep in mind if her number is REALLY high. but why bother tripping over some shit like this... she's sucking YOUR dick now isn't she? if she sin't. well it's time to move on.
Moldy_Gecko 8y ago
I knew a 19yr old Japanese girl Close to 100.
Stythe 8y ago
The guy saying guys are brainwashed and its not her bf's fault he feels that way is an idiot. He's right about one thing, its not his fault he feels that way. His feelings are valid. Any girl I know with a heavy partner count is damaged goods. I have friends whom I've watched try and love their boyfriends, but they just can't. Its a giant mess if tumultuous bullshit and then it unravels and its over. This was my story with my ex as well. The damage, the fear of being inadequate, the mental (and potentially physical) issues, the drama, the self-entitlement and false self-worth if "I'm so cool because I get mad dick," it destroys them. I feel bad for them. Completely unaware and genuinely hurting inside, if not completely isolated from their emotions. But they won't listen or take advice. The older I get, the farther they sink. Drugs and alcohol are common. But they all keep wanting to be loved, then shoving it away, and they dont uderstand why it happens, because they genuinely believe they're worth the investment. They don't see it from the other side.
Side note: Dante's girl isn't with him in the sequel.
netgrey 8y ago
Other other side note, Kevin Smith is a huge beta who probably gets off on cuck shit.
palaceposy6706 8y ago
Cringey as fuck when he says things like "... my awesome wife who lets me have sex with her" etc etc. Gotta keep the art separate from the artist.
Stythe 8y ago
I know, I boned his date while he whacked off using his tears as lube.
no_face 8y ago
His wife is an inch taller than him
AtrialSeptalPrefect 8y ago
Is her circumference greater than his too?
[deleted] 8y ago
When she count only sex it's 17, and then if she add the time where it was just foreplay, it double, so it's 37. 17 sex acts are not included in the 20 foreplay.
abdada 8y ago
I am the Patriarchy and I approve this message.
CisMalePatriarch 8y ago
Hey now that is my department.
GingersInParis 8y ago
Paging /u/CisWhiteMaelstrom
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
The biggest, angriest lie that keeps "beta" men in check is the belief that women need to feel some kind of emotional connection with a guy before they'll be willing to have sex.
When a loser man learns that his wife/girlfriend was a super-slut, who can't even name or remember over half the people she fucked or messed around with, it hits him like a truck. All of that crap about how a woman needs to feel safe, comfortable, special, loved, and emotionally intimate is bullshit. She fucked all kinds of guys she barely knew, just for fun.
Then it dawns on him even more: all of the times she rejected his sexual advances because she didn't feel special, comfortable, loved, emotionally intimate -- that was all bullshit excuses to cover the fact that she just plain didn't want sex with him at all. If she wants sex, she doesn't need any of that - she just fucks for fun. But she's not into him, so she uses those excuses - those lies he's believed his entire life - to hide her lack of attraction to him.
Then, he feels used, exploited, tricked.
[deleted] 8y ago
Wonderful way of putting it.
menial_optimist 8y ago
The truth generally pisses people off. The best thing any young man can do is look forward to & willingly accept the truth, and act accordingly even if it shatters your young worldview or beliefs. The older you get the harder it is to adopt this mentality, but it is not impossible.
LastRevision 8y ago
When I reflect on this issue with my own personal experiences, I think about how Blue Pill me reacted to finding out a long term girlfriend was more promiscuous than I had thought.
If a man wants to be a good Blue Pill man, The Blue Pill reaction is to first filter it through the Progressive programming that promiscuity is equal opportunity/consequence for both men and women (anything else would be unfair!1), and that there is "nothing wrong with sex"; I don't judge my own promiscuous experiences harshly, I actually celebrate them, so it would be unfair of me to judge her experiences any differently.
But then... several anxieties creep into the picture. Beta anxiety is not something new, and once Western culture started inching toward less restrictions placed on women, it was something of a common theme as seen in movies like Dracula.
Suddenly, I was obsessing on whether these one-night-stands fucked her better than I did. Were they cooler than me? Did she like it more? Was his dick bigger??? (always a classic, of course).
It was interesting that I didn't seem to feel this way or care about her other doofus long-term boyfriends... only the guys she gave it up to without any hint of future commitment... and even if I had started out as one of those guys, I turned doofus when I committed. They were too cool to talk to her again, and I was metaphorically painting her toe-nails. Would they laugh at me?
I never had a problem being denied sex in a relationship, so I can't relate to that, but this anxiety that she had been with men who were too good for her and that I clearly wasn't one of them was troubling.
It was another odd sore spot that she had been with more men than I had been with women, certainly on the level of promiscuous sex. How could she ever really respect me if she had more sexual experience than I had? At least in a "f-count with different people" kind of way.
Lastly, if you buy-into The Blue Pill love story, you're gonna feel silly putting a chick guys used as a human condom on a pedestal.
All of these reasons are why promiscuity should have remained a social taboo... Men could stay Blue Pill without suffering tremendous consequence, and relationships would be tremendously more successful and happy.
But... that's not the world we inherited. The Red Pill is necessary.
I now understand that the competition anxiety I felt wasn't truly thinking anyone fucked her better than me- the most I'll commit to is that maybe her other partners would be different flavors of the sex rainbow- but that I had wifed up a girl that other men had only used. In wifing her up, putting her on a pedestal, becoming beta in a long term relationship by buying-into love and domesticity, I had anxiety knowing that she had been with men who will always remain hot, sexy, Alpha fucks to her... and even if I had started out that way, I had become a beta bucks almost by default... and I could not mentally handle this.
I posit that this is why unconscious beta, Blue Pill men always seem to lose their shit when they find out their girlfriend has had a tremendous amount of promiscuous sex... Those "Alpha bad-boy" men are now more respected by her by default. After all, you bought the cow, they just fucked it and had a good laugh.
Now, my Red Pill self isn't taken by surprise by this, nor do I feelings of anxiety over this, nor do I allow it to break my frame... those feelings have been replaced by disgust.
So instead of falling into a trap of anxiety in a long term relationship, I avoid them all-together because wifing up a human condom is fucking gross.
Jagrnght 8y ago
Remember this: sex is necessary because we die. Sex and death are a couplet. I think too much thought about sex gets in the way of living. It's fundamentally anxiety provoked. It can be fun, yes, but not when it's become a medicine for a deeper illness. Then it's just another pill.
babydocnorman 8y ago
So true, because most women now know better than to reveal their true sexual past. Why always have to wonder in the back of your mind if you ended up paying for the cow that everyone else milked for free.
albrecht_duerer 8y ago
I've been reading your posts both here and and in the dark enlightenment sub and I find them very intriguing. So, I have to ask, what are your long term plans? This thing does not seem sustainable in the long term. Personally, I don't want to settle for the red pill "enjoy the decline" mentality but at the same time I find the nrx "return to traditional values" mentality pretty utopian.
Reworking 8y ago
That blog post was great; thanks for sharing it here.
albrecht_duerer 8y ago
Also, I remember tagging you for saying "a civilization can only be as successful as to the extent of which it is able to control female sexuality". That ties in, I think, with a some of the stuff I had recently taken an interest in, the apollonian/dionysian dichotomy in Paglias work:
Are you familiar with any of that?
drewskiiiii 8y ago
Holy crap this hit home for me. My whole life I was taught and raised to buy into the blue pill story. I don't even know if I'll be able to escape my beta self because the way my family is (all very close and friendly) but wow did this hit me right in the heart. I will never again put pussy on a pedestal. Mind if I PM you sometime for some advice/mentoring? I feel like I could really relate to what you said and how you phrased it.
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Buddy, the fact you just came to that realization is all the more reason that you're going to start trying, right now.
sqerl 8y ago
I concur. I wish I had this resource 20 years ago. Growing up with the blue pill mentality really fucked my life. Makes me happy to see a new generation find it sooner. There is hope.
drewskiiiii 8y ago
Trying isn't always enough
[deleted] 8y ago
If you're happy to accept mediocrity and wallow in self pity, be my guest. The only person you've gotta please at the end of the day is the one looking back at you in the mirror - just keep that in mind.
LastRevision 8y ago
Sure! I have a blog too, btw, KillToParty.com
Drovid 8y ago
THIS just hit me like a truck right now...... damn
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[deleted] 8y ago
you gotta give these women some credit. they believe their own bullshit lies.
when a woman tells you "I love you, I just don't want to have sex with you", she really believes her own lie.
chewy_dragee 8y ago
I just thought up a joke:
How many sexual partners does the pope have???
Nun....
AgentLlama007 8y ago
That would be terribly hurtful.
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laere 8y ago
Oh man I remember back in my BP days. I thought "getting to know" the girl would be the best way to get into her pants (go figure).
Let's call her Lily. Well I had Lily over at my place for a few drinks, I had escalated and was pushing for it (didn't know at the time this was an RP thing, I just remember being fucking horny.) She kept rejecting me, but I kept being persistent. Then she told me to stop or she was leaving, so I stopped (yeah yeah).
I asked her if she was a virgin pretty much right then and there, she said she was (doubt it). I asked her why? And she retorted:
"Well, I just haven't found the right guy yet. I like being in control, and I want to experience and emotional connection with someone my first time. When I 'feel' it's right, I will know."
I didn't say anything, I bought it like the guy who thinks too much with his dick usually would. I thought "hey maybe I will work on trying to have this super cool connection with this girl."
And it ended up in me getting super sexually frustrated and I basically nuked the "friendship."
After TRP I discovered that you can sleep with night club sloots within 3 minutes of meeting them in the club bathroom.
Emotional connection my ass, these chicks just wanna a hard fucking.
Shortonoil 8y ago
This post is so good I actually stood up and gave you a standing ovation after reading it. The realization I had when I finally figured this out hit me like a ton of bricks. At first like you said I did feel betrayed. But also later I it was kind of a relief, I realized I didn't even have to try half as hard to get laid, I didn't need to make some "emotional connection". I could just want to fuck and know what I want.
slothsenpai 8y ago
"HURR DURR MEN ARE JUST INSECURE"
In an long-term intimate relationship, people just simply want to feel valued regardless of gender. That's what a lot of women (especially feminists) do not understand. A woman withholding sex with her loving boyfriend, whom she easily gave it way to random strangers is akin to a guy who bought countless gifts for other girls as well as giving them attention/validation, whilst not providing his current girl with any. No one likes to feel cheap. If you truly love somebody, you make an effort to go the extra mile for them.
If I ever get into an LTR someday or find the one, then I want to provide her the very best like I wouldn't do with all my past partners.
Stationarity 8y ago
They need emotions, but not an emotional connection. In fact, I would wager that the guy who makes her feel "feelings" is, after the fact, ascribed connection status by the woman. When she finds out he wants to sleep with more women, she will argue about "our connection".
nightdepartures1 8y ago
This is the kind of post that is so simple and raw - it should be stickied. To the top we go with you.
RedWagonChronicles 8y ago
Straight gospel. This should be red letter text right here.
RedSugarPill 8y ago
This. When Margaret Houlihan tells Frank Burns "I have a headache", it's because she's disgusted by him (at the moment).
md619 8y ago
A couple of clarifying points for readers because I know this confused the hell out of me when I first found the pill:
A girl doesn't need an emotional connection, i.e. beta buxs/comfort in order to feel attraction. All she needs is value (alpha fucks). And yes sometimes you can fuck a girl just by showing a lot of value traits and spiking her emotions. This is how you do shit like fuck a girl in the bathroom after 5 minutes of meeting her, or just drag a girl home at the end of the night out when she doesn't even know you.
However, every player knows it doesn't always work that way. A lot of girls do need some level of comfort to sleep with a guy. You WILL lose lays if you think the right thing to do is just plow with value 100% of the time. Comfort shit tests are a real thing.
I'm not saying you have to take her to dinner or write a fucking poem. Sometimes a simple "you know what, I actually like you" can go a long way IF you've already established that you're a high value guy.
By doing that, you're playing into her fantasy. Yes you're the high value alpha male, but she feels like she's winning you over. She thinks that maybe, just maybe, she can be the one to get you to change your ways. The reformed bad boy. And it's all because of her. Lol
That's what every girls wants. It satisfies her hypergamy on the deepest level. So as you go through your red pill journey of accumulating value, NEVER forget that comfort is still an important part of a woman's desire.
PaBowbow 8y ago
That was simply beautiful. A gold bar of truth.
moose_war 8y ago
Yup. And since the vast majority of modern women are like this nowadays and since most women are amazing liars, it's basically impossible find women that only had a very few sexual partners who were only committed relationships. Which is why men are dropping out of marriage and LTRs and using TRP and PUA to just max out on sex.
None of my male friends are in commited relationships and haven't been in a long time. And no, they aren't "terpers" you lurking BPers. One is a natural, really handsome dude who is a straight up ladies man. He's completely lost faith in the idea of marriage. he's fucked dozens of women and he knows how whorish they can be at the drop of a hat.
Men are just disillusioned now.
ColonelMitchell 8y ago
ThrowingMyslfOutther 8y ago
I'm so glad I installed an emoji extension so I could be eye raped by your post.
ColonelMitchell 8y ago
Listen kid you don't want to see my other side. I have a wolf inside me with a muzzle on, but the muzzle is about to come off. You broke her heart, and I will break yours, She is a nice girl, how dare you use her like this. How come people like you get to date her? Then people like me have to sit in the shadows and be the shoulder to cry on. Listen kid, I don't have time for FUCKING games. I am a nice guy, but when you make a nice guy angry; the world shakes. Don't do it again. You will regret this the next FULL MOON. You mess with me you mess with the pack bud. FUCK you. Get ready.
setzer_ 8y ago
yeah this is so on point, great post.
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KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
And that emotion is raw, unrestrained, feral desire.
Lord_NShYH 8y ago
For me, this was the hardest part of the Red Pill to swallow.
Exactly. It is even worse if there is a marriage involved. In that case? It is probably time to divorce and start spinning plates.
I don't mind the fact that AWALT and are whores at heart: I just wish more men knew, and got rid of this monogamy marriage fantasy that only served to keep beta males with a consistent sexual partner so they keep reproducing (and don't become serial killers/rapists/etc.).
Plain_Tostitos 8y ago
Great comment, perfectly stated
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
it's hard to feel special or sexy when you find out you had to wait to fuck your present LTR longer than anyone else she ever fucked
it's a special gift from beta hell
unsoughtiron 8y ago
Through game I can get some women to sleep with me but many times I realise that they were simply not attracted to me in some archaic level. I nexted those women and I am happy for it.
FortunateBum 8y ago
GREAT. FUCKING. POST.
Just want to add something. Read this:
Ok guys, let's get real. When you were a teenager or young man, did you ever encounter a woman who had a hard time saying no? Never once did I. I got lots of rejection, due to trying a lot to play the numbers and I never met one woman who had a hard time rejecting me. I've never even heard of it or seen it. Women have no problem rejecting men and shutting them down. We've all experienced it. There's even a phrase, LMR, for when it comes at the last possible moment. No, any woman who talks about pressure, I just can't believe it. She did it because she wanted to do it. But with you? Fuck you. You're a chump. I mean, just read this part:
She has absolutely no respect for this guy. She could barely imagine he could get laid before her.
My opinion? Every woman. EVERY WOMAN has had sex within an hour of meeting a guy. Why him and not you?
We're at the point where women have to defend themselves from TRP/manosphere criticism and they're not bothering. How about just admit the truth so we can all move on?
Women must be lying to themselves because if this woman was honest with herself and in touch with reality, she would've never told this guy her number or she would've lied about it.
Don't ask, don't tell. MGTOW. Don't marry.
ckmtpm 8y ago
I don't think this is true. It really depends on the quality of women you're surrounding yourself with.
Lumby 8y ago
This is exactly why I'm still in the anger phase. I can't get over this and how my ex hopped right back on the CC after our three year relationship that ended with a dead bedroom.
Algernoq 8y ago
Yup. My dead bedroom experience included her shaming me for not reading her mind.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
It stings. She doesn't have a low libido. You just suck. So she strung you along, trickling out as little sex as possible just to keep the wheels greased and the benefits of the relationship coming -- shaming you for wanting sex the whole while -- until she had an opportunity to jump ship.
A story as old as time.
MyReddit4 8y ago
I just don't understand this. I read post after post like this on TRP and it has no effect on me.
You will never get a straight answer from a girl about her n count
I guess I'm lucky in that thinking about this never remotely enters my mind. I don't care. I can't even remember all the girls I've been with and I only fondly remember a few.
Once you've been told I love you by a few girls in a row, you realize how common it is. Girls are great, fun, flippant, and flirty, but they are like a fine wine next to a great meal. Just a compliment to an already epic dish. It boggles my mind that people even ask this in relationships. Girls always ask me, I dodge the answer, and never reciprocate the question. She'll pick up on the idea.
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And she jumped ship to another dude who was quite average or "below her", so that she could just do the bare minimum again.
[deleted] 8y ago
My ex used the excuse "girls just don't wanna have sex as much as guys do" That was my first relationship of almost a year of no sex with a woman I thought I loved. What a joke
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
We all have one or two of those.
In the women's defense, if you're dating an inexperienced girl, sometimes she doesn't know she's leading you on or that she's not attracted to you, because she's never lost herself in the moment, swimming with hormones, for a guy she really and truly lusted for. So she doesn't know that's how it's supposed to be. She thinks she likes you and will continue to think that until she gets wowed by a guy she's actually attracted to.
Sometimes, you'll be dating an experienced girl who thinks she's ready to settle down. She's never had a "mature" relationship before, so she thinks this lack of passion is how mature relationships are supposed to be. Fucking like crazy is for when you're young and stupid, while trickling out vanilla sex once a month that you're not really that into is "normal" for more "serious" relationships.
Women just don't know any better. Because their standards have gotten so out of whack due to the slut-wave of modern feminism. Now, a tiny fraction of really hot guys can fuck all of them, as they slut around shame and consequence-free, and the hawt guys don't have to commit to any of them. They're all left out in the cold, unable to find a man that they're both attracted to and able to snare into commitment. So the end up in a "mature" relationship with a guy they don't really want to fuck because it's better than being alone.
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because it's better than being alone And so I think we reach one of the root of the problem as well, in that women are afraid to be alone and not have the particular guy to string along when they can't get what they want. Thanks for your insight
mygodimpathetic 8y ago
This. Ruined high school for me.
PanaReddit 8y ago
Did you dated my wife for one year?
[deleted] 8y ago
No, as far as I know she's not married yet
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
It's categorically comical how places like r-sex, r-relationshits, r-deadbedrooms, and r-askhamsters trumpet out the "low libido" excuse, and how many times men fall for it.
And anytime anybody suggests "it's not her, bro, it's you", they get downvoted, deleted, and banned.
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Joshua_Naterman 8y ago
Lots of guys are scared to admit they are currently inadequate at sex, often due to simple ignorance. They don't know that the moment they understand their current state is the moment the start down the road towards being excellent.
Kind of sad, especially when you realize that the only thing keeping them from rocking the bedroom is a few good books on sexual technique and being comfortable exploring his and her fantasies.
But no, it's apparently "easier" to keep their heads in the sand.
I think it's easier to take the temporary ego hit and become awesome so that there are no more issues, but that is hard to do when someone doesn't have a solid foundation for intrinsic self-confidence. Maybe they don't have a solid concept of 'who I am' so the ego hit is just too much for them.
nonanon111 8y ago
You really believe that women like sex, just for sex, and that if the strapping prime-grade alphas just read a few books, they could draw out their inner nympho?
After TRP has been shown thousands of submissions and posts about BB, about women manipulating and trapping guys with their vaginas, about them lying again and again and again, you believe that all it takes is to finger the g-spot a different way in order to turn them into submissive, willing sexaholics? You really believe improving sexual "technique" is how you win a woman's devotion?
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Fetish_Goth 8y ago
But she's your ex. Who cares?
Lumby 8y ago
I wish it was that easy to let go of wasted time and energy.
Fetish_Goth 8y ago
Living well is the best revenge, homie. The past is the past. Go have some fun.
wallst07 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs
[deleted] 8y ago
Just because you spent 3500 fixing up your old car doesn't mean it won't keep breaking down. Sunk cost fallacy my friend.
clitbeastwood 8y ago
so you're saying theres nothing inherently wrong with a girl boning lots of guys in the past, but the problem arises when her boyfriend realizes she artificially inflated the price of sex just for him (someone she 'cares' about) while in the past she has given this 'precious' resource away for free to someone she barely knows?
B/c i have trouble finding a high partner count to be wrong in and of itself. But i do think ripping someone off, someone you say you care about, is.
Great insight btw.
truchisoft 8y ago
High partner count is wrong if you want the girl for anything but sex. They are essentially broken.
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clitbeastwood 8y ago
that is dam interesting. Have never seen studies like that before. Didn't realize that it was destabilizing for long term commitment. thanks man
ThrowingMyslfOutther 8y ago
Literally sidebar stuff and part of AWALT
truchisoft 8y ago
Really? Read the sub material then, because we talk about this all the time and is all over the place.
SCROTAL-SACK 8y ago
Her tears are giving me a chub. I love seeing a slut's life plans fall apart.
And she's a single mother too? lol, good luck finding someone else to pick up the tab.
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She's only crying because her meal ticket/retirement plan is leaving.
killcockrobin 8y ago
All the comments telling her to leave him too. the 17 men plus the 20 plus blowjobs and oral and he's the badguy. The worst part is the culture that says its normal and if he doesnt approve, just dump him.. a nation raised by single moms has brought us here.
Lumberjack1234 8y ago
I have a controversial opinion about this. I think the biggest problems these guys face is the high difference in sexual experience and attitude towards sex.
A guy, even by /relationships standards has the right to be angry when he finds out that his "SO" has a vastly different view on sex. And I agree with this.
Personally, I don't like prudes or virgins. I banged two virgins and had sex with some reluctant prude girls and it sucks. I fucked raging sluts and while the sex was amazing, the mental instability that comes with it, is too much for me to handle. I have found out that I have the most fulfilling relationships with girls with moderate experience 2-10 partners, 100+ number of sex acts (with those 2-5 partners). I am entitled to my preference and so are guys with limited experience.
If you want a girl who treats sex and intimacy the same as you, no amount of feminist bullshit should convince you otherwise.
You will never hear experienced men complain about the number of partners. There are 3 reasons. 1 - they can smell a slut a mile away and never comit to her, 2 - he is so secure and awesome that he can tame even a slut (rare), 3 - her number, even if high for most guys, is nowhere near close to his.
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There's one thing I agree with you here with. And that is, with more partner count, the higher the mental instability. Where I differ is hookups having zero effect on a woman's psyche. 100% untrue.
savoryprunes 8y ago
I don't find your opinion controversial at all. I upped your comment after reading the second sentence.
I think a similar (ideally parallel) sexual history is very important for an ltr to work. One's sexual history speaks volumes about who one is and where one's values lie.
I, myself, have adopted the 50% rule. A potential ltr must be within the range of 50% to 150% of mine. Unfortunately, with rampant hypergamy and the 80/20 rule, women who meet this criteria are difficult to find. Figuring out their number (a different topic) is actually easier than finding qualified candidates.
maddox45 8y ago
She's an amazing girlfriend, and it's his own stupid insecurity that fucks it up because he can't get past her having sucked a lot of dick.
Right? OP's number isn't what I'd consider "high." Her soon-to-be-ex is probably just butt-hurt that his is lower.
Spoken like a true whore, complete with a high number herself and a whole string of failed relationships behind her.
primaryobjective 8y ago
There was a huge post that was pinned for a while -- single mothers are the scum of the earth. Clearly you didn't read this lol.
It is true OP is insecure, but that's his own damn fault for getting in a relationship with her.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
She's an amazing girlfriend
29 years old
How do you get to where you are? Because I'm seeing roadblocks. Though OP is insecure as fuck, otherwise he'd just leave instead of sitting around sulking
slay_it_forward 8y ago
Don't forget road worn slut
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
that's too subjective. I prefer to keep things objective... it's too easy to start talking bravado, and ego protection otherwise.
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Please say you forgot to leave off "/sarcasm" at the end of this.
therhymerr 8y ago
Rule of three gentelmen. if she says five it's really fifteen.
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Five that she admits to. She won't mention the time she was the main attraction of a gangbang back in college. No doubt the ten guys there who practiced bukakke on her only count as one of her partners.
therhymerr 8y ago
Or the ex boyfriends she's constantly gone back to over the years. probably having her walls torn down at a minimum of five times a year by them
aga080 8y ago
lmaooo. i stopped reading after 2 kids.
Miheegz 8y ago
I know right, it all came together reallll quick
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razormachine 8y ago
Except it's hard for a 29 year old, single mother of 2
Whoaaaah... you should have mention that on the start :D
SerKevanLannister 8y ago
I have to say that I would have run away screaming at two kids plus seventeen+ piv sexual partners. And I am in my forties...this guy is a decade younger and this woman (even younger) has over seventeen piv partners AND guys whose names she can't remember plus two kids?!? It sounds like Clerks (the Kevin Smith indie film from the 90s) when the dude finds out that his girlfriend, who has had pix sex with like three guys or something not that earthshaking, has given approx. 38 blowjobs.
razormachine 8y ago
She had 25 years when she started the relationship with him. Just think about this... he had about 25 years and committed himself to a single mom with 2 kids. Believing they had something special. After 4 years he finds out she was handing out pussy as if there was no tomorrow.
And there are still SJW betas who think like this.
Don't hate your boyfriend for this - I don't think it's boldentirely his faultbold. But boldit is his responsibilitybold, and you absolutely do not have to deal with it. boldIf he can't learn this lesson now, with you, then he'll learn it with someone else, or he'll learn it alonebold. His call. boldYou've done everything rightbold.
cassandrita 8y ago
Well to be fair she didn't even mention she was a single mother of 2 into halfway into her second post. It's not something she's proud of.
This guy can do way better.
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no he can't. he's a beta who's dating a 30yo with 2 kids.
for dating/love life, it's like we're all fish in a big aquarium right. some of us are sharks, some of us are whales. this guy is that thing in the fishtank that sucks up the shit from the sides of the fishtank. he has to take the shit that nobody else wants because that's what he can get, and what he accepts
beta as fuck
razormachine 8y ago
I bet she didn't tell him about those 2 gifts from chat at the start either :D
And yes I think he can do better.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
I'm sure he knew they didn't come from the stork
razormachine 8y ago
A lot of "ladies" out there are hiding the presents until they have the guy on the hook.
laere 8y ago
You can easily tell if a girl is a single mom. Just look at her stomach. Usually it looks like a bloated saggy pouch.
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
hard to hide them till after marriage
razormachine 8y ago
Not after the marriage. When humans fall in love they tend to ignore partner's bad sides. She probably got his ticker started then let him know about Chad Junior.
McLarenX 8y ago
Everything is a construct. We all need to be viewed as rainbow colored blobs.
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chances_are_ur_a_fag 8y ago
I don't understand why people care about stupid shit like this.. I'm in the 70's somewhere with girls, am I supposed to feel bad if my girl fucked 15 guys? she's with me now and that's all that matters. I never understood some backwards ass mentality like that.. people, including women, do have sex. simple as that.
St_OP_to_u_chin_me 8y ago
TBH I did bang a high PIV count I wouldn't trust a high PIV count.
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Ten years ago I worked with a free-spirit kind of girl. This was back in my clueless BP days mind you. She had a long-distance boyfriend back home and was trying to give it an honest go. We started out as friends but inevitably moved on the FWB stage. At one point she told me her number which was 17. She had a kid at age 17 as well, the father died very soon after becoming a father. and she at one point tried being a stripper.
I had no idea about the Rule of Three back then. Looking back at my time with her I was aware of a few other guys at work being "friends" with her and at the time I didn't suspect anything. Just friends, right? Looking back it's pretty damn clear. And this wasn't even mentioning her guy "friends" outside of work I heard about. I short I was just one stop on her Carousel ride.
So her admitted number of 17 plus the two other guys at work, and the three guys outside of work I was aware of. Rule of Three x 17 = 51. Add in five more to that mix and her number was more like 55-60...at that moment in her 27 years of life.
After she moved away we kept in touch for a brief period of time. She mentioned how she met this great guy - clueless beta bux provider type - who was everything she always thought she wanted. It appeared that they were heading down the matrimonial path. Poor bastard. I sure hope he wised up and found TRP before putting a ring on it. I've lost touch with her but I imagine the predictable outcome: poor sap was cleaned out in the divorce no doubt.
But trusting a woman like this? You are correct. So completely irresponsible and only interested in the moment and how much fun she could have. Not to be trusted. Ever. And eating the box lunch is not be done either. EVER.
I think how lucky I was not to have caught anything from her. Sex was damn good and hot damn could she suck a cock. They get good with lots of practice.
St_OP_to_u_chin_me 8y ago
Your last statement is an absolute truth. Previously I only LTR with low PIV count women none of them, none, could get the job done.
Then I start banging cougars treating them like meat b/c I don't wanna LTR someone 10yrs my sr and they worshipped the cock. Now I'm monk mode, graduate school MOB.
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Funny about the getting good with practice thing. A girlfriend later after the free-spirit girl was absolutely no good at sucking cock. I'd go down on her every time but she wouldn't return the favor. When she did she was terrible at it and acted as though it was a chore and an obligation. WTF? I don't even remember if she told me her number.
I fooled around with a little bit overweight married girl and boy could she suck a cock. AWALT confirmed: no loyalty and they will drop to their knees when Chad gives them the tingles. Sex-starved and married to a beta = easy pickins...if you want to go down that route.
To women Actions don't have consequences and loyalty means nothing when there are Tingles involved.
St_OP_to_u_chin_me 8y ago
Hence the need for religion: fail loyalty then eternal hell fire lol
Ah that's good.
markfeel 8y ago
INTO THE FUCKING TRASH IT GOES
notevenatthestart 8y ago
I decided to read through the two posts before I read OP's analysis. I burst out laughing when I got to that bit. For some reason, I hadn't seen it coming, but, yeah, it made absolute perfect sense. Of course she has two kids.
You gotta feel bad for the guy in this case though. He was pretty fucking stupid but he didn't know any better; he believed all the lies, did everything he'd been told he was meant to do. I'm glad for him that it looks like he got away, though.
The scary thing is that he was only saved by her getting cocky (that's "cocky", not "cock" which is something else she was apparently getting a lot of). If she was a bit smarter and had said "only 3, sweetie" and stuck to that story no matter what happened, then he'd probably have believed it and she'd have tied down a nice plump beta to live off.
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Two kids by I'm guessing two guys. Odds are she can't say for certain who the fathers are. I think a visit to the Maury Show is in order.
katinthrowaway 8y ago
Serious question: What's the problem with a high partner count, as long as she's disease free? Usually the higher count girls I've been with were significantly more fun in bed.
Spiral-knight 8y ago
You, your time and your dick are valuable. When you slip into the well-worn cunt of a high partner woman you are squandering the value you've made for yourself.
Capital_Knockers 8y ago
I'm a dude in his 30's. I've had sex with a lot of women and I honestly could give two shits how many dudes a chick has been with before me, as long as shes just with me (if we're in a relationship).
What's the obsession with the number? I don't ask chicks theirs and I won't tell them mine.
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stdTrancR 8y ago
Any dude in their 30s, possibly on their 2nd marriage will agree with you. Turns out this sub is just a bunch of kids.
razormachine 8y ago
What's the obsession with the number?
Never settle for second best in your relationships.
The higher the number of the D that went through her the higher the chance of you beeing her second... third... fourth ...best.
Also if she is getting close to her wall, or is past her wall, and if she is a single mom.
I'm sure somebody can make a graph or something.
Steve_Wiener 8y ago
Let me put it to you this way:
If I could give you an unopened soda, or a soda that had had 17 penises in it, which one would you choose?
razormachine 8y ago
Well it's a bit more complicated than that.
How about one soda had one penis inserted into it 600 times. And other soda had 17 different penises inserted into it.
Now I wouldn't drink either of those sodas, but I would rather have a LTR with girl that was fucked 2000 times by 2 difference guys than the one who was fucked 17 times by 17 different guys.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Depends on your objectives. Sluts are great for fucking, but you don't want to accidentally marry one.
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"... but you don't want to accidentally marry one."
Or intentionally
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
"I'm so open-minded and sex-positive! My girlfriend of 7 years and I haven't had sex yet because we're waiting until marriage. We have an open relationship so she can sate her needs through other men that mean less to her than I do. I don't really use that privilege because she's all I need, but I'm very lucky to have her! We're getting married next week, and I'm a little embarrassed to say it, but I'm really excited about finally having sex with her! She thinks it's cute and rolls her eyes every time I bring it up. I love her so much!"
Capital_Knockers 8y ago
But what defines a "slut"?
Is a slut a chick who has fucked a ton of guys or is a slut a chick who is currently fucking a bunch of guys?
Also what's the number that changes a regular chick into a slut? 5? 10? 20?
Again I don't get why everyone gets hung up on numbers, if the chick is yours and she's not cheating then who gives a fuck who many guys she's been with, hell she's probably better in bed with some experience.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Her impulsive sexcapades make her a slut. You can date one if you want to. Just don't ever marry one. Those impulsive decision making doesn't go away all because you're some special male snowflake. you're just a dick for right now.
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A "high" number count of 40 doesn't mean shit when it comes to experience.
She can fuck the same guy 600 times in a LTR, that's way more experience and the number is still 1.
It also shows that apparently she has at least some qualities to be able to maintain a LTR.
recon_johnny 8y ago
It's the pair bonding that the issue. 600 times and she's not stared into the eyes of someone else. Also, 40 doesn't mean 40 times. It means 40 different guys, could be HUNDREDS of times each.
Capital_Knockers 8y ago
You learn different things from different partners.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
A lot of people hem and haw about what is and isn't a slut. So I'm just going to set the ground rules now.
More than 5 is a slut.
Any casual sex encounters, outside of a monogamous relationship, is a slut.
There's nothing wrong with fucking a slut, or even kinda sorta dating a slut as long as she's adding value to your life and not extracting excessive time or resources from you. But keep things realistic and don't be stupid.
Capital_Knockers 8y ago
For what age though?
High School? Yeah 5 dudes could be considered a slut, but when you're in your 30's, 5 dudes is nothing - hell that could even be considered prudish.
Basically what I'm trying to say is don't get hung up on numbers.
MashkaTekoa 8y ago
More than 5? lol every chick in America older than 16 is going to be a slut by those standards
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I guess I should index my numbers for inflation. I was born in '79, so we still had a few good girls in my day. Good luck to you young whipper-snappers.
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MashkaTekoa 8y ago
I don't read this subreddit much but it seems a lot of people here are attached to unrealistic ideals on what a woman "should" be like, or behave like, without taking any other factors into consideration.
recon_johnny 8y ago
So, what we're saying is a strategy to keep you, the high value male, in contact sexually with a high value woman--if you want to LTR her. The saying don't wife a slut has very strong meaning and reasoning.
If you want to bang, go bang, regardless of the woman.
Capital_Knockers 8y ago
Yup, apparently chicks are supposed to be nuns until they get with the guys on this sub.
Elodrian 8y ago
Yes, and yes.
This question has come up before, and the way to answer it is to introduce the concept of the "Alpha Widow". You can do a post search for a more complete treatment, but here's the Coles notes:
Keep in mind, this is only relevant if you're screening women as potential LTR or marriage material. There's no magic number of partners where a woman disqualifies herself. The question is whether or not she has been with the best guy she'll ever have yet. Has some significant portion of her psyche been so affected by a particular alpha male that no other man can ever measure up? Now, maybe that guy is the first, maybe he's the tenth, maybe he's you, or maybe it's the guy after you. The point is, if it's not you, then she's someone else's alpha widow and she has disqualified herself as serious relationship material. Simple math now, with every partner she's with, the probability that one of them was The One goes up. High N-counts aren't a disqualifier in and of themselves; they're a probabilistic red flag that lets you approximate the likelihood of a woman being a bad candidate for marriage.
It would be great if there were some way to determine whether a woman is an alpha widow with certainty, but there is no window into the mind. The best we can do is play the percentages.
cdtCPTret 8y ago
This is an amazing perspective. That the probability of girl=Alpha Widow approaches 1 (exponentially perhaps?) as N-count approaches infinity. There is one way to tell. If after sex the girl is all over you to come back to give her more incessantly, you may be the best she's had. There was a sorority girl who told me her count was 23. (I was expecting 40). Saw her a few times a week. TRP was a good theory at the time, but I never attracted straight up retarded cumbuckets before. Well she is so into me she asks for a relationship straight up, and I say no. I tell her I'm seeing a few other girls in the same manner. She says "can you at least come to me after you're done fucking them?" That did for me what no amount OF TRP reading could have. Amazing. Another funny thing is that she'd bring up a relationship subtly sometimes. One time I wasn't even paying attention and just saying "yea sure" to whatever she was saying. Turns out I said this to her asking "do you think we'll take this further [the relationship]?" She stops, so happy, and says "really?" I look up. "What? No no I meant no." And she's like "oh." Then changes the topic.
recon_johnny 8y ago
Dude, the real number is at least 60. Probably 80.
cdtCPTret 8y ago
Hahaha. Probably. I told her lets both write our numbers down on a piece of paper and exchange it. She was really hesitant and embarrassed. I didn't really care (I was moving in 2 weeks and hadn't told her this yet).
Actually it was funny how it ended. She asked me how many other girls I slept with during the month we've been seeing each other. I said two others. She was trying to make me jealous because she slept with some side guy. I figured I'd test some dread just to try it out before I dumped her (to move). Ask her if she wants a threesome with one of the other girls. She says "no" but with a "maybe" hint tone. Next day after our class she invited me back to her place, but i tell her im busy (hanging out with plate #2). when she texts later, i tell her this, and say "we can both come over for that threesome." She gets pissed and says only I can come over. I say no thanks. Next day same thing. She texts "are ya'll having sex?" response: "not anymore, we're just laying in bed."
And that's how that ended. She texted me the next day talking about how that other dude just banged her and she screamed louder than I ever made her scream. At least it wasn't a new dude? I just thought of all the rage she was feeling, fucking that guy to get back at me. Kinda empowering. I didn't even care; moved states the next day anyway. Literally the best way it could have ended.
I guess it's strange to think that you could have been the Alpha Widow of a 60-count slut, but I'm pretty sure I was. Maybe the number really was 23. My number at the time was 16, and she said she was guessing 60.
stdTrancR 8y ago
If you don't ask this stuff at the beginning, then you're stupid. You don't accidentally marry someone you don't know.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
"Hi. Thanks for agreeing to our first date. By the way, are you a slut?"
stdTrancR 8y ago
"I see you have jizz on your face, is that our waiters?"
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I think we may have totally dated the same slut!
stdTrancR 8y ago
I can tell you, being married to a woman that loves sex is WAY better than being married to a woman who doesn't.
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DONT_reply_with_THIS 8y ago
Loving sex and having sex with a few boyfriends over a period of years is one thing, "loving sex" and fucking 30+ dudes in the same time period is another.
If she can't keep a guy around and she is willingly giving up the pussy then what is the problem with this woman that all of those other men saw that you don't?
That's my rationale at least.
Also if she claims they weren't boyfriend material so she's the one that cut them off then you can ask yourself is a woman that spreads her legs repeatedly for men that are not boyfriend material a woman I want to LTR?
stdTrancR 8y ago
That is actually how women think, not men. Men don't care, men will fuck whatever they want and they dont care what other men think about that. That is why it works in your favor to have many girls as friends and works against women to have many men as their friends.
If you like her, and you like fucking her, and YOU are happy, then marry her. If you don't, then leave her. You'll both be better off for it. She can cry about it but YOU CANNOT, move on. There's nothing else to discuss. Being insecure about how many partners your partner has had in contrast to how many you have had is natural but it is unattractive.
BrunoOh 8y ago
Try to see it like:
If all those men didn't want to commit to her, why should I?
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[deleted] 8y ago
Well, amigo. The thing you miss is that she's never "just with you". Ego, meet reality.
Capital_Knockers 8y ago
So my question is, you're allowed to slay as much tang as possible but chicks aren't?
Can't have it both ways bro.
I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to be realistic, chicks fuck too.
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Your egalitarianism is admirable. No sarcasm.
J2501 8y ago
"Actually, his life is Chasing Amy - the one where an insecure guy freaks out, interrogates the woman and ruins a great thing due to his petty jealousy and immaturity."
I wouldn't consider helping a worn-out hamster raise her two kids 'a great thing'... Not when there are fine-ass virgins turning 18 every day...
KartagoPill 8y ago
Damn, younger are not worn-out. Juices everywhere :D
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It is hilarious she doesn't know how many men have been in her mouth.
An "approximate" number. Who knows what the real margin of error is; +/- 10%? 40%? 150%?
It's no wonder men aren't getting married. Forget the fringe TRP, MGTOW, MRA philosophies. Even in my beta-bitch days (yep, worse than a standard beta) I would have been instantly turned off by such a loose woman who literally lost count. Now I understand that because women live in the moment with no cares about the next 3 seconds, let alone 3 years, the idea of them losing count of the number of guys she got on her knees for is easier to understand. There is not foreward thinking with women. Only the moment which matters. Which is reflected in her attitude about her past. She truly believes her past does not matter.
Steve_Wiener 8y ago
Well she got what she wanted form reddit at least: an army of white knight bitches and feminist sluts making her feel better about sleeping with SEVENTEEN men and blowing several more. (and the double team at that party only counts as one)
She said her number including non PIV was 34. There were 32 people in my graduating class. I'm just imagining my graduation where every person there was a guy who got w this girl. Pretty funny.
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yaardi 8y ago
It amuses me to fill a girl's former sexual partners in a vehicle. If they're like 4 or 5 they can fit in a regular car, just some bros in a car. This girl can get her exes in an ordinary city bus.
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yaardi 8y ago
Not a bad way to set up a three/foursome really.
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TheDialecticParadox 8y ago
I was disturbed to find out how young some girls start riding the CC
PENIS__FINGERS 8y ago
Honestly, how can you blame her for not knowing how many people she's done 'foreplay' with. I honestly could not tell you how many girls i've hooked up with, i'm not even sure of how many i've fucked. You lose count after a few
OlBastard 8y ago
Because your dick is worthless, her cunt isn't.
PENIS__FINGERS 8y ago
my dick is worth alot, thank you very much
recon_johnny 8y ago
I believe you're referring to your fingers.
slay_it_forward 8y ago
There's a sea of sperm out there and limited eggs. You ain't worth shit.
PENIS__FINGERS 8y ago
Nope, I actually have a gold-tipped dick, it's worth over $4k on the black market.
Factushima 8y ago
Why does he stay? You suffer a huge loss of respect for the person you're with and agree to stay? You're saying it's OK to be with this lower level person; thus you are a low level person.
zo34 8y ago
That's not how beta bux works. If he provides security (in the form of Mazlov's hierarchy of needs) for her and her children and she can string him out on sex (sort of like a heroin addict... huh) then it doesn't matter what his SMV or other social values are.
She'll stick with him unless she thinks she can branch swing (post wall with kids will require a lot of work on her part).
Factushima 8y ago
I'm talking from his perspective. He thought he was with an 8 and found out he was with a 4. If he stays it proves he was deserving of a 4 in the first place.
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bloodfoxtrue 8y ago
The folks defending the oh-pity-me-woman, and bashing the guy:
Yeah, he should... he should walk off ASAP. There wouldn't even be a discussion if the skank didn't want to keep her meal ticket.
Yeah no kidding cuck, of course it is his call: she's the one that wants him back. And heck, better to go at it alone, if it is indeed true the kids aren't his.
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recon_johnny 8y ago
NOPE.
Do the math. LTR for 4 years. Knocks it to 25. Had a kid at 19, at least one more year off, 24. HAD another kid (of course doesn't say marriage or if she just fucking didn't learn the first time). Say one year, 23. In reality, it should be a few more years because of raising the kids. So, give me 2 years for that, and you get her number of 21. Started sexual activity at 16. 5 years, and more on that later.
You talk fucks, you don't mention the cock sucking. She APPROXIMATES the dicks, because she doesn't know. So let that sink in. SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW MANY COCKS SHE'S SUCKED OR WHO THEY WERE. DOESN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE. She says she was forced. That's not a "Can't say no" moment, that's a "Give me some dicks to suck" moment.
Also, she says about.....20. I say that number is at least 30, maybe 40, probably 50. That's why she doesn't have a clue as to how many or who. The funniest part of her post is when the beta says she wouldn't know by their faces, but maybe have a dick lineup....hilarious.
So, in 5 years, she's fucked 17 (so she says, but what's the first thing we know? This is not truth but is a low number on purpose). However, she's sucked so much cock she has no idea who, how much, etc.
5 years = 17 fucks, and a shit ton of cock in her mouth. Even with her number of about 20 (let's use 23), that's a new dick about every other month and a half. Pretty much a slut, right?
yaardi 8y ago
The fuck is "only foreplay" supposed to mean in this? She only sucked their dicks?
OlBastard 8y ago
Likely. Which makes it even worse. She was a cum receptacle who wasn't even worth an actual fuck.
yaardi 8y ago
It would mean those blowjobs were in the club toilet and similar classy places. I doubt she came to the guy's place and there was no actual sex.
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17 is average and nothing to worry (actually pretty good) about for a 29 yo woman. I could understand if it were a lot more but for 29....
I think he's probably bothered that it's higher than his, lol. Other than that I don't know what the problem is honestly.
ILoveSunflowers 8y ago
can we all just appreciate how little insight she(AWALT) has into the average male experience let alone, our psyche's?
pirateninj4 8y ago
In reply to the last comment:
We do win love by having the biggest dicks and being the best in bed.
Good post, more evidence for high D-counts being a turn off in LTR.
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BlackHeart89 8y ago
In all, she fucked around with 37 different people. Clearly she's an idiot based on the fact that she volunteered this information. She should have known better. Oh well.
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EuronPacificus 8y ago
Its a polite way of saying "I sucked dick."
Uptonogood 8y ago
What if as a guy, you actually and honestly don't know your number so you can compare?
I really don't know mine. Hell, I don't remember even the name of over 90% of them, and these were girls I spent loads of time with.
All I know, is that 17 is a way too big number for me to consider in a female partner.
Don't like it? There's another BB waiting for you in every corner. "My body, my rules" as they usually say.
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neptunesunrise 8y ago
This confuses me. Why do these women stop sleeping with their husbands? I admit I've slept around, but I'm a horn dog; I'm just as turned on by my boyfriend as I am by any other guy. A hot guy is a hot guy.
BrunoOh 8y ago
Because you are with a guy you are actually attracted to.
Women will marry guys they aren't attracted to, just like how men will fuck women they would never commit to.
nomad-oz 8y ago
The holy trinity of women's desire is Status, Security, Escape.
Women are always looking to improve their Status, either a hot guy or a rich guy. Once she has has him she needs Security so she sets out to tame him. When she finally gets security she finds a tame man is boring nice guy and her pussy dries up. Sadly the nicer he is the more she disrespect him. She then yearns for Escape from her boring life. She starts thinking about then searching for different cock.
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truthuncensored 8y ago
There is a special place reserved in the mind for "the new".
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ain't no pussy like new pussy. the same could be said for dick.
WhatIWannaSay 8y ago
Not sure what you're whining about here. A chick sleeps with 17 guys (that's an average number, in my opinion, especially at age 29)... her boyfriend gets weird about it... that's his fucking problem.
Here's an exercise for you guys: Flip the roles, the guy comes to RedPill and posts that his girlfriend is acting funny after he told her he's slept with 17 women before. She judges him negatively, doesn't treat him the same and wants him all to herself... How would most of you react to that? You'd make the same arguments that she's a controlling, feminist bitch and can't tolerate an "alpha" man. Reality is, in BOTH situations, whether guy or girl, the person who slept with 17 people prior should feel no guilt, and the person who judges them needs to get the fuck over it, male or female.
How can you not see the double-standard here?
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WhatIWannaSay 8y ago
If you don't feel like explaining, then why did you respond?
chances_are_ur_a_fag 8y ago
nope, can't have other opinions than that of betas in this sub. you literally have to think backwards if you're a "tru alfa bro"
redpillcynic 8y ago
Sidebar before comments gronk
bsutansalt 8y ago
Considering 7 is the median for men, that number doesn't seem unrealistic as its approaching 3x what men have. Whether that's a good thing is a whole other story.
Rus_s13 8y ago
Is it just me, or is 17 not really high for a 30 year old woman?
That's barely over 1 per year ox sexual activity.
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
Year, for a hot girl in our shit culture that is relatively low.
But is this a relative thing or an absolute?
redpillcynic 8y ago
She said 17, the truth is probably closer to 51
LegElbow 8y ago
Stupid way of looking at it.
Is a women who gets to the age of 30 without an LTR a woman of quality?
Women who have some quality, by the time they are 30 would have had multiple LTRs. That would decrease their numbers drastically.
chances_are_ur_a_fag 8y ago
that's all subjective bullshit that you're saying, you do realize that right?
MagicGainbow 8y ago
I wish people would stop referencing Chasing Amy, it was written by an obese nerd that would count himself lucky to get any girl.
herewehoagain 8y ago
She's right, it is average. But what is our going belief here? The average woman isn't really worth our commitment. She's a slag that hops from one dirty dick to the next but expects the world.
Cloughtower 8y ago
False
She's ~95th percentile.
SupALupRT 8y ago
"my life is the joke from clerks.". LOL
NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
She's almost 30 with two kids already and she is just now discovering that a high partner count is repulsive to men. This girl has a lot to learn...
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Nothing good ever came out from talking about past sexual experiences.
Just spin plates, there are no unicorns.
And remember, "as you are spinning her, she's spinning you".
Rasalom72 8y ago
Something that doesn't get factored in is how much she will compare him to one of her former Chads in bed, and how she will say he's not as good as So-and-so.... because it's not IF she will... it's WHEN.
razormachine 8y ago
He will be required to provide support for her and Chads children (something that Chad didn't have to do). And at the same time she is going to rate him lower then Chad because Chad was better in bed.
Just reading this post has made a part of my brain yell to me "Run you fool!!!" :D
GoldPisseR 8y ago
What about her performance man?Why do guys take on the sole onus of performance in bed?
Rasalom72 8y ago
Because, generally, men don't compare one woman with another in terms of better/ worse. For guys, it's usually different, but still fun.
slay_it_forward 8y ago
For the same reason women take on the onus of being a slut. It's biology. They are the receptors of the cock. It's our job to fuck them good. If you don't, she'll find somebody who will. Read about the burden of performance by Rollo.
reddit_sucks2 8y ago
37! My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks!
VodkaTankerSpill 8y ago
Try not to suck any dicks when walking through the parking lot!
zo34 8y ago
Ha ha ha!
stdTrancR 8y ago
I would be really upset if there was no mention of clerks here, glad that everyone is on the same page.
Philhelm 8y ago
Hopefully she tried to not suck a dick while writing her post.
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baron_von_f 8y ago
There is a lot of hamstering here.
Therefore, 37+ partners, but only 17 fucked her. The rest were oral only.
17/37 = 46%
sodainthewatercup6 8y ago
I consider that to be a high count for a woman's entire lifespan.
Edit: I know it's surprising to find a "low" n count like this these days, but I will no longer lower my standards just because societal standards for women have dropped.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
ha, you're in for a world of disappointment in your future.
Only ones I've met with lower than that tended to be married young, and usually divorced or miserable.
A few happy ones, but it's not even a decade in with their husbands yet. They are my boys, but I'm starting to see the signs
fullhalf 8y ago
17 is crazy high for a 29 year old. i wouldn't call it lifespan since after a woman divorces in her 40s, i say, she can fuck as many guys as she wants. she's a washed up wrinkly bitch now and it doesn't really matter. she will always be damaged goods.
toybrandon 8y ago
You know what, that's your choice. The number doesn't bother me at all. It's the other things that get under my skin. Try tripping on me and making me sit and roll over like a good beta and I'm fucking gone. I know they tell each other that we are supposed to be good little bill-paying lap dogs, but I don't give a fuck. Respect me as a fucking MAN and provide your share of value to the relationship or hit the fucking road. Pussy washes off: crazy is a bit more sticky.
sodainthewatercup6 8y ago
I believe that level of disrespect is a byproduct of the loss of pair bonding skills.
I see it this way. Most of us have a max age we will consider for a plate/LTR. Why? Sure, we all have specific reasons like child-bearing/health or just general bitchiness or jaded attitude. Overall, it's a generalized screening practice. Some guys are more selective than others. We all rule out certain women because more often than not, we have learned the probability we are wasting our time is too high.
So your point of view is quite valid, but we are arguing the same point in a sense. I draw a correlation between n count and pairbonding; and if she can't pairbond, it's my opinion she likely has loyalty/respect issues. Sure, not all.. but enough to where I don't want to waste my time rolling the dice when I know the odds are not in my favor.
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Then I hope you are in the top 5%.
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MashkaTekoa 8y ago
What if I told you there is no "acceptable cock number" and woman can do whatever they want just like men do?
Just because someone likes having sex doesn't automatically mean something is wrong with them. If a girl meets 5 guys she's really attracted to, likes to hang out with, and has really good sex with them, who am I to judge? I have to expect some other woman to live her life by my rules?
Seems like a lot of people in this thread are attached ideals on how a person "should" or is "supposed to" behave sexually and thus become conflicted when they learn such is not reality. EVERY woman will have her own sexual history, just accept that. The thing to be focused on is how that person acts in the present moment and whether they currently practice "sexual responsibility" whatever that may mean to you.
Expecting someone to only have one partner a year is the most ridiculous thing I've heard since no sex before marriage.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
it's not about that, and you're right, he's making an arbitrary rule over something that isn't.
you set your standard, and you don't commit to someone that doesn't reach it. Assuming you work your ass off to be worth that standard you hold to someone, it's not an issue
for me? A 29 year old single mom of 2? Dicks are the least of her problems with my standard
unassumingusername7 8y ago
I do expect other people to live by my rules, if they want a role in my life. I have rules for friends, rules for family, rules for girlfriends, plates, coworkers, mechanics, doctors, and everything else. Had 20 to 2000 dicks in you? No problem! You'll just never be more than a ons. Other people can do whatever they want, but I have standards for the people I give my time to. You should as well.
We're talking about sluts who want girlfriend / wife status. The men without standards can have them.
Trail_of_Jeers 8y ago
Orlog, duder. The future is debt, and just because you can, doesnt mean you should. The consequences for a high partner count are different for men and women.
So she can bang every man she sees, but that doesnt ma k e her wife material.
Derbi50 8y ago
Sex is like free speech. Do whatever the fuck you want, but don't expect me to agree with, accept, or encourage it if you are fucking stupid about it.
A girl can have whatever N count she wants, but after a certain point she will never be anything but a plate or less.
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cyn1calassh0le 8y ago
The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. Your past matters when you apply for a loan, for a job, for schools, for a credit card, for practically every facet of your life. But when it comes to relationships or sex suddenly the past is the past, it's all about the present. That isn't the way the world works.
If you have a history of defaulting on your loans, why would I give one to you? Because you say so, or how you claim you're "different" now. That is not only irrational it's asinine. I'd be fool to give you money, just like a fool would give commitment to a woman who has demonstrated she is incapable of it.
MashkaTekoa 8y ago
What you're saying is very reasonable and totally makes sense, but if a person demonstrates sexual responsibility in their current present day life, is it still fair to hold their past against them? Even if it is fair, are you not limiting yourself from happiness that you could be experiencing with that person due to personal worries and fear-based decision making? (fear meaning the fear or someone being unfaithful/immoral/uncommitted/crazy)
If we eliminate the idealism behind our biases about M-F relationships, most of the premises we are even arguing about become completely irrelevant. Not to mention this argument is inherently very dualistic; while love and sexuality in general, isn't so black & white. Human behavior is far more complex than just Evil Slut vs Angelic Goodgirl.
Most of the arguments given are based off societal constructs that give us specific expectations when it comes to dating/relationships. Specifically constructs that stem from Judeo-Christian monogamous beliefs that have been ingrained into secular society.
While emotional investments can hurt us just as much as financial ones, am I not purposely giving my love life limitations based on these fears, and robbing myself of great experiences I could be having? Could I have had an amazing and beautiful year with this woman I really started to fall in love with, but I stopped that from happening cause I didn't like what she did in her early 20s?
At the end of the day it's not really her problem; it's mine. The ball is in my court to be accepting and move things forward. I just don't think these concrete rules should be applied to human interaction as each situation is completely unique. At 27 years old after about 33 partners I found that it's more burdening and exhausting to constantly seek out the ideal type for a serious relationship, rather than just being appreciative of the different women that come into our lives and trying to make the best of it.
WAFC 8y ago
If you're talking about an LTR, everything is fair, first of all. Secondly, fear is a rational response to a threat, and the power imbalance in intergender relationships in 2015 means that you should be fearful and very very picky when choosing long-term partners.
Those social constructs existed for a reason. Female sexuality is heavily restricted by most major religions for a reason. The reason was not clear to us, as modern humans, until we saw the results of unrestrained female sexuality.
If you deem the risk is worth the reward, then live as you see fit. However, I wouldn't try to argue with men to lower their personal standards for LTR/marriage in today's age. Most men are already far too thirsty, passive and permissive.
Then I would advise it is in your best interests to limit your emotional and financial investment in any one of these women.
If you're spinning plates exclusively, then yes, none of this really matters.
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toybrandon 8y ago
Brother, the fact that you used the word fear and talk about a power imbalance, means you don't really understand the dynamic. I don't fear anything about women. If you find yourself worrying whether or not you're her cash cow, you're doing something wrong. Don't accept being marginalized, cuckolded or resource tapped at any time in a relationship. As soon as the value proposition tips in her favor, correct that shit whether it's through dread game or just being straight up (although the former seems to work much better because the latter requires them to acknowledge thier power play or unconscious manipulation). They want equality, give it to them.
As for that shit about social constructs, sell that pseudo-religious shit elsewhere. It sounds like some shit I would read at r-conservative or r-religion. Best to stay out of that shit. IMO the Red Pill and religious/political dogma are not compatible.
cassandrita 8y ago
I don't understand if my parents were old school or what. But I was always taught, women's bodies were part of their 'status'. Those who give it away easily, are easy and not valuable. And can you blame this belief?
Women can get sex at the drop of a hat. Whenever I see some slut bragging about all the dick she pulls on tinder, I want to barf. It's not something to be proud of. It's why guys who are 'players' are admired. Because it is hard for most men to sleep with several women.
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shigydigy 8y ago
And thank you for your insight.
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FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
One of the comments you listed above:
Women with high counts - that number is always higher than a man with a high count. Because of exactly what you said:
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you're on the red pill. What that probably means is you have traditional parents, and you actually listened to them. Then you ended up being depressed as fuck because what you wanted the world to be and what the world is were exact opposites. You have to reject what your parents taught you because their world is not our world.
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scamper_22 8y ago
If there's one thing I've learned about it is that a lot of them tend to speak up mainly for the opposite.
For example. A hot girl generally won't walk around saying I'm hot and you're not. It's self-evident she is hot.
Watch what a girl is promoting and you will probably find what she is ashamed about.
The latest one I realized was a couple sisters who talk at length about money does not mean class. Yet, I spent some time with them and realize they have money, but very little class. They're not refined or classy. But I get it. They came from poor rowdy family and are ashamed of it somewhat. But now they're rich. It must be tough being of a certain monetary class without the behavior to go along with it. So that is their front.
StrokeGameHusky 8y ago
Also, the first ones to call a girl out for being a slut, are most likely sluts.
Takes one to know one.
Red_pills 8y ago
So I went out with two of my friends who are girls. They're good fun but completely AWALT. They talk to me very candidly and amaze me with some of the shit they say.
One of the girls split up with her ex about 3 years ago. She's 23 now, she showed me her Tinder and every guy she swipes right matches. Every single one. Then throughout the night she proceeded to tell me about maybe 20 guys she'd slept with in the last 3 months.
Her justification? This is so much more fun than having a bf. As much sex as I want with whoever I want. The only thing is I know a couple of the guys she slept with. They said she was horrific in bed and one guy said she even checked her instagram during!
She feels so 'special ' that she can do whatever she wants yet I can see already her pair bonding skills are gone. The problem is now most girls are being told this is all part of being a strong independent woman.
More and more reasons not to LTR these days and just to keep spinning plates!
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
I would caveman any woman for that shit.
Clearly it's not keeping their attention, perhaps it's time to throw your face into the pillow
toybrandon 8y ago
Question: Who and where are they being told that it's thier right to get the dicks they want? Is this something they tell each other? Kind of like how they tell each other that it's OK for them to cheat because they are special?
Red_pills 8y ago
It's through media and through their friends. For example the girl I was talking about all her female friends are like 'Yo go girl, have fun doing you!'
Then in magazines and articles it's all super sex positive women fighting for 'equality' for girls to sleep around without being shamed for it.
That coupled with the throwaway constant validation of Tinder is a cocktail of how to fuck yourself up. This girl is so damaged and messed up she has turned into a horrible self obsessed narcissistic bitch. Then she'll wonder in 8 years time when she's past the wall why none of these guys have ever committed.
TheReformist94 8y ago
When I see stuff like this,I have problem believing women are less polygamous than men.I think they are polygamous,but in a hypergamic way.why else would a woman fuck 20guys in 3mobths? This may be projection,but even tho women supposedly value commitment and less cut out for casual sex,with a 1/17 the amount of testosterone,this is promiscuous,even for a man.i have a hard time this is just a series of failed attempts at securing commitment
Reworking 8y ago
She's trying to make herself feel valued and fill an emotional void.
There's NO other reason to have that many partners; this is something much deeper than hypergamy. That woman has serious issues.
Also, as a man the thought of having 2 new partners per week for 3 months straight is completely unappealing to me.
fullhalf 8y ago
what i've read is, girls use sex to boost their self esteem. as in, if a man has sex with me then i must be attractive. that's what lead me to believe that low self esteem girls are easy. the question is, how do i find out in her 20s? it mostly happen to teen girls and i was too dumb in those days.
Matsew 8y ago
women do whatever the fuck they are told to do by the owners of society. watch that baseball game vid from a couple days earlier. stupid cunts taking pictures of themselves all. day. long. that's all they do besides getting wasted and taking dick. I'm pretty sure you could make women do the most batshit insane things and have them accept it as normal if presented with enough authority, confidence and status.
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You mean this one?
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toybrandon 8y ago
Dude....AWALT is a lie. There are good women. Your comment makes it sound like you are condemning all women and that is why people hate the red pill.
Matsew 8y ago
until you've made the cute nerdy innocent girl your personal whore
KartagoPill 8y ago
AWALT means AWALT. If you don't approve this you are free to go off Redpill.
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trpwangsta 8y ago
Ha! Dude this count is nothing. Finding a girl with under 20 partners is winning the fucking lotto nowadays.
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longjohnboy 8y ago
Let's clarify that a young wife is the solution. The man needs to be rock solid to make a marriage last in this modern world. The wisdom necessary to pull that off is often obtained through hard-won experience (for the small fraction that ever figure it out).
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Men have the power to slutshame these whores and never interact with them. But most men like the easy pussy nowadays. It's our own fault.
laere 8y ago
My parents got married at 19, had me when they were 31, then divorced when I was about 4 (16 year marriage). Sucks they divorced so early, could have been worse.
fullhalf 8y ago
it's true and it is their fault. if 10 girls will put out and that one girl doesn't, then who has the time for that one girl? young marriage isnt the solution. no sex before marriage is the solution for them. that's the only way to get a guy to marry a girl early.
McLarenX 8y ago
I refuse to date Western European or American girls. It's acceptable in the culture to hoard dicks and lie about it. They're fucking plates, that's all
yaardi 8y ago
Hate to break it to you, but Eastern European women are not ladies with low n-count either.
McLarenX 8y ago
Sure they most likely aren't but there's a much higher concentration of entitled bitches in the Western world.
fullhalf 8y ago
sounds to me like a guy not getting any at all to be honest. general shunning like this is what bitter guys do when they fail all attempts.
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stonepimpletilists 8y ago
all indians are more spiritual, all asians are great at math too
Has anyone told you about the easter bunny yet?
McLarenX 8y ago
What? Western women are junk. Quit your feminist bullshit.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
I'm talking about your foreign unicorns, stop being a tool
slay_it_forward 8y ago
I've been around the world. The grass really is greener. If you think not, you haven't done much traveling.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
Circumnavigated the globe, deployed overseas often, navy will do that. Coatia, Italy, panama, mexico, the US, thailand, Japan, Korea, chenai india, UAE, Oman...
soon as you wern't american, were white, spoke english, the korean girls acted just like they would here for Chad. Croatian women were just the same, only difference is they shit tested you hard first. I'm not new son.
Different flavours in my experience, but generally the same recipie. Though assuming you're from the US, I'm inclined to agree with you. Those were my least favorite women... world wide.
McLarenX 8y ago
I'm not suggesting theyre unicorns. You still need solid SMV and dread game. However, they are taught to obey more traditional societal roles and haven't yet been brainwashed by feminism.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
you mean korean women, the ones that threw their orbiters aside because a bunch of non american white guys who spoke english asked them to show us where fun is?
Or the croatian ones who got one of our ships crews recalled and put on cerfew because they got their men to pick a fight for their 'honour'?
Not even starting with thailand... can't get more hypergamy than the city-wide strip-for-a-husband in phuket.
I seriously want to find this magic land everyone alludes to, but never specifies. Mexico is the closest I've seen, and I wouldn't exactly call it zion either.
Where are these unicorns you speak of? I'll be in portugual next month, are they there?
McLarenX 8y ago
Maybe if your SMV wasn't so low
toybrandon 8y ago
Dude....it's obvious that you are not very experienced and are just taking shit on the Internet. Where are you from?
ionforge 8y ago
I hate how this girls say they get pressure when they where a teenager, then you find out all of this happened when they where 22 years old.
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andre2003s 8y ago
probably she was not lying and really thinking like a teenager at age 22. Proof: still thinking like a teenager at age 29
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notevenatthestart 8y ago
Definitely. Men have the capacity to continue to grow and to better themselves, if they don't get held down by the soft and the weak.
A man at, say, 35 can be at the height of his game. He's fit and healthy; he understands the world around him and both respects himself and is respected by others; he's a master of some things, a skilled practitioner of others and he comes to a new challenge with the confidence of a lifetime of experience and an open mind to learn more. He isn't frightened or scared. He doesn't cower and hide. He knows when to use his brain, when to use raw strength and when to use both.
He is formidable and brings the whole world into his frame.
It'd be wrong of me to list all those qualities of a man and not respond with a similar one for women, though. Women have vaginas.
Philhelm 8y ago
Agreed. It would be like the old-hand military veteran; he knows the score and isn't as brash and reckless like the young bucks.
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The boyfriend is fucking hilarious. Soon as he learned her number he switched on her real fucking quick. HardOnHoes2k15.
fullhalf 8y ago
yea even though he's desperate enough to marry a woman with 2 kids. he still can't take the fact that she's a whore. yay feminism!
DoesNotMatterAnymore 8y ago
We should put a hashtag in front of it, and make it trend.
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kanji_sasahara 8y ago
To quote Dave Chappelle "If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now, because you flooded the market with it. You've given it away too easily."
SureAviator 8y ago
Wait up, wait up, wait up...people are defending her despite the fact that she's a single mother with TWO kids. She's had sex with 17 guys and sucked off 20+ more dicks, she couldn't say "No" to a guy so just "begrudgingly" sucked him off, comes from a shitty family, has daddy issues and the guy wants out? Oh and get this, the way she spins it is...wait for it..."Sex positive"?
http://nowstreamingpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ibudadhD4f0xv5.gif
fullhalf 8y ago
it's fucking crazy how many bullshit phrases feminists came up with to excuse their bullshit. sex positive means sluts are ok. body positive means fatties are ok. fuck that.
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fullhalf 8y ago
yea it's all linguistics and it's what they're good at. they're good at complaining. they major in liberal arts then afterwards complain their way into getting free money. it's the most disgusting shit.
AntixD 8y ago
where is the gif from? what movie
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yougonnagetit 8y ago
I'm sex positive. Im postiive that women have sex. I've been the guy she had a one night stand with numerous times, that she said "I never do this" or "this is so unlike me". Why should I think I'm some special snowflake and more guys like me didn't come through? On that note, why should I think alot more guys like me didn't come through?
It's said here often it's just your turn. There are girls out there with lower partner counts. My rule? Less than mine, preferably half mine. I partied hard in college and I still do, a respectable woman does not have those kinds of numbers. Mine aren't even that high, but respectable women don't hit them.
Tamazin_ 8y ago
TL;DR: Never ever tell the number you've slept with or had foreplay with. As a guy or girl.
toybrandon 8y ago
The thing is, you should know when your in a mutually beneficial and sexually fulfilling relationship. The red pill is all about understanding when we have it good and when we are being fleeced. If the relationship is real and fulfilling and you are not being used, what would it possibly matter what her number is? Now, if it's just another symptom and signal that you are her meal-ticket meat-puppet, get the fuck out.
Elodrian 8y ago
17/37 is 46%, not 85%. Her story checks out.
M3_Drifter 8y ago
17 PIV sex partners
37 oral sex partners (Including the above)
How many guys have had their tongues down her throat? 80?
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
You really think she blew almost 1/2 of the guys she kissed? Probably more like 10 or 12 to 1 making the number of tongues upwards of 200.
silver_nuke13 8y ago
Unless some of these overlap, i am confuse but remember the numbers are bullshit.
Mintaka7 8y ago
I think he included the 17piv in the 20foreplay.
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moose_war 8y ago
Since when did maturity correlate with wanting to marry a single mother who has probably fucked over 2 dozen men?
CastratedBetaOrbiter 8y ago
By foreplay she means she took it in the ass and mouth instead of vagina.
Getting pounded by in the ass 37 cocks before her current boyfriend...hope he enjoys that gaping asshole.
edit: Yup, continued reading thread and confirmed above initial suspicion. LOL.
mrpCamper 8y ago
IMH RedPill opinion, if your somewhat already committed to someone, why on earth would you bring up asking their number unless you were 100% willing to act on the answer? You have to know there are outcomes. If she says 200, are you prepared for that answer? What will you do if you hear that? If you haven't already made up your mind on what you will do before you ask, DON'T ASK. Refuse to listen.
Then ask yourself why you are afraid to hear it.
Then get yourself to a place where you can. Then ask. Then execute on that decision.
Sounds much easier than it is but....
MashkaTekoa 8y ago
This. At 27 years old, I know I will never hear the number I want to hear.
If the number's too high, I'm going to think she's a slut.
If it's too low, I'm going to think she's lying.
So what do I do? Not give a shit. Focus on what you have with your partner in the present moment because that's the only thing you can control. You can't change anyone's past and it doesn't get you anywhere to shame someone else because their sexual history doesn't fit your ideals.
People behave differently at different times of their lives, circumstances, phase, age, etc. Don't give into your insecurity-based thinking that a chick will leave you or be unfaithful for this or that reason. If you are both working together to make the current relationship amazing and both of you are happy, the chances of unfaithfulness drop dramatically. Stop getting stuck on thinking that you have to be "the one" who gave her the best dick of her life because more than likely you will not be.
I even go out of my way to ask girls to keep their number of partners to themselves. Telling them I would rather focus on WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. I've only had positive responses to this request so far. If you're going to base your whole relationship on some magic number you want to hear, you're going to be very lonely and very disappointed. (not too mention a girl can tell if you're insecure about it and some will just lie so you don't get your panties all bunched up about it)
And for those saying 17 partners is too high for a 29 year old..lol.... good luck dating anyone over the age of 25. There are actually a lot of good benefits to dating more experienced women, but that's on another topic....
slay_it_forward 8y ago
It's all in how you frame the question. Frame it in a sex positive way like this guy did and you get a number close to the truth. Then you can flip it on her like this guy did and bail out.
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fullhalf 8y ago
hahahahhah. this sounds like some kind of bdsm bullshit. what a fucking pussy ass faggot. holy shit. it's like the equivalent of a man cheating on his gf then smacking her around and telling her to shut up about it.
TheWastedYearz 8y ago
Half these beta fucks will shut the fuck up quickly after a few bjs, we all have pasts and i dont usually repress girls for their past unless is blatant hoeish behavior.
One thing these girls have over these previous 7 this dude fucked around with is that they almost always are better sex partners, so they will sweep that bullshit to the back of their mind and enjoy the ride as we should, the kids are a deal breaker automatically though.
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TheWastedYearz 8y ago
no one said anything about marriage hehe
just smash and keep the hamster wheel spinning.
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primaryobjective 8y ago
I only agree with half of the statement at the end. To have high standards is what you want for an LTR, though obviously if you're not looking for an LTR, I would not give two shits about their past.
You should always maintain emotional detachment LTR or not, and OP is right -- being emotionally attached is BP.
IrreverentAsshole 8y ago
Thank you for posting this. I saw the original and kept reading the comments waiting to see some RP truth/common sense, and saw nothing. I needed this.
seenoeval 8y ago
Well anything after breaking the first rule of absolutely no single moms under any circumstances ever, is par for the course
Whenever a woman gives you her number, double it and add five, more accurate than not with most girls.
Most girls will say something along the lines of "oh I don't know.....like 10 maybe?"
That means 22 on the low end just for reference, including the 3 she forgot pounded her out in bathroom stalls and other disgusting locations during blackouts.
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seenoeval 8y ago
Many women and men consent to sex in blackouts, blackout is different than passed out, which is rape.
seattleron 8y ago
lol.
unassumingusername7 8y ago
Expected a dick lineup. Glad to be wrong.
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This brings up a very very good point. how will a TRP know if a woman is lying about her lay count or not?
this woman for instance, will be telling all future guys that she only had sex with 4 guys. it's an obvious lie, but how do we prevent the liers from lying to us?
Easih 8y ago
easy:assume that everyone lies.The only certainty in life is death.
Tamazin_ 8y ago
A woman wouldn't lie if she truely knew you didn't care. I have a few that i can bet one of my two balls are telling the truth and meh.
It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. If she says "i slept with 23 guys" while you've only slept with 8 girls you'll feel she's easy and/or you'll be jealous for how easy it is as a girl. If she says 4-5-6-ish and you know she likes to go clubbing you can assume she's lying.
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I even think 20-30 for a girl who hours clubbing is a little low.
Tamazin_ 8y ago
I agree, take her age and double it if she's one that goes to clubs semi-often and you'd be closer to the truth. And of course sometimes it would be four times her age and a few other times it would be times 1.5 her age.
ben0wn4g3 8y ago
When I put my hands down my girls pants and she's wet as a otters pocket. Good times.
3dbattleship 8y ago
I assumed it was 17 piv plus the 20 foreplay, which would make her number more than double.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
Both posts are filled with excuses. "her number isn't that high" "I know right?" blah blah blah
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
2 kids?
did him a favour. Let her hamster run, doesn't affect anything
LionLaw 8y ago
Don't be a beta bux.
Be an Alpha Fux.
Commit to no one but yourself, that way when she confesses to being a whore or fucks up you can drop her and her holes without a second thought
Luckyluke23 8y ago
to me I think her count is going to be high regardless.. I mean for a women it's easy to get dick so why not take it.
if i wanna keep a girl round that's great. doesn't mean i'm gunna wife her doe.
popthatpill 8y ago
17 is probably below average for a 29yo woman.
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Every study I've seen and every experience I've had supports the fact that partner count by age 30 has been decreasing for 30+ years. Women lie? Sure, but they are less likely to lie now than any other time in the past 150 years. You can't tell me that women were less likely to minimize their partner count 10, 20, 30 years ago than today. 20 years ago, this conversation would not have happened because she would not be deluded into thinking she could honestly answer this question. Public acceptance of sluttiness is increasing, but partner count is decreasing. The median is 4-5 depending on which study.
What's changed is sluts wear their sluttiness like a badge of honor now instead of hiding it.
R1fle 8y ago
I dated a hot girl off OKC a couple times. On the first date she said she had been with 25 guys. She was 23, one year from getting her Master's degree. She travels a shit ton. She lost her virginity when she was 18 (starting college for the first year). 5 years, 25 different dudes. This girl was everything too, any guy would consider her wife material if they didn't know that number.
For her Master's she's spending a year at the University of Edinborough in Scotland (she's from Miami, and we had met in Toronto, Canada). So this chick basically just uses her parents money to travel all over and take heep tons of dick while furthering her education.
If she lies in the future about her partner count, it's well played on her part. Would do the same if I was an upper class white girl.
NecroticFury 8y ago
These girls are raking it in. I know a couple myself. Every year they have anywhere from 2-5 fully funded trips around the globe. Their entire friend group will go too, for about a week or two, until school gets back in session.
Did I mention the mysterious ego boost they usually return with?
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
it comes out, almost always does.
errant email, former lover comes out of the woodwork, college friend opens her mouth, spouse gets drunk, gets a little too honest.
kicking the can down the road
TheReformist94 8y ago
Fucking hell,you serious.17 cocks is below avg...thats depressing.
Interversity 8y ago
No, it's not, it's over double the average.
Interversity 8y ago
The average sexual partners projected for the current generation falls between 8 and 10. 17 is well above average.
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And because the real number is always at least three times the declared number -- she's bounced on at least 50 pelvii.
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colovick 8y ago
And if you adjust that for bell curve attractiveness? You're not looking at 5 and below, probably not even 6's.
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Ganadorf 8y ago
Extremely below average. I know some very young women, around 20-24 years old, who have slept with 30+ guys. If a girl is an 8+ she can easily get laid by 50 unique men before age 25
slay_it_forward 8y ago
She doesn't need to be 8+. A 5 can banged out just as quickly as an 8. That doesn't mean either should or that the fact that you know some power sluts makes the average of notches for a woman 30+
my_redpill_account 8y ago
Yeah and it'll only get worse as time goes on. Girls will probably have more and more per generation.
Soon only people mating will be BB and ex-sluts. So much for the gene pool (not that it's already that great now).
Interversity 8y ago
The average partner count fell from Boomers (11) to Gen X (10) to Millennials (8). Why predict against the trend?
Interversity 8y ago
The average sexual partners projected over our generation's lifetime is 8-10. 17 is about double the average.
kanji_sasahara 8y ago
You mentioned generation, which doesn't differentiate from men and women. I want to find out both the median and the mean for men and women separately, but I have an inkling that the average for girls is much higher than guys.
Edit: Would have to exclude gays because good lord gay guys get around. Well at least in NYC due to the significant number of gay bars and clubs.
Edit 2: Also have to isolate differences by DMA, since sexual market place can vary wildly depending on demographics.
NecroticFury 8y ago
It is, the data of course says the opposite. Women refusing to admit their number and all.
Literally the researchers stated that as a reason why the data is inconsistent with mathematical reality.
yaardi 8y ago
We'll never get to see truthful statistics about this, because, well, people lie, even when they're anonymous.
kanji_sasahara 8y ago
That depends on how the research question is both primed and framed. There will always be people who lie, but you can re weight the numbers to account for them.
Interversity 8y ago
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html#number
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/very-short-men-have-fewer-sex-partners/
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=wiqvBgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA97&dq=sexual+promiscuity+number+partners&ots=SngRbznPCU&sig=hvNJE1qgUa-ulkNEbIpSrnqUGxs#v=onepage&q=sexual%20promiscuity%20number%20partners&f=false
All the actual information I can find suggests that men have at least as many, if not more partners on average than women (which obviously doesn't work out mathematically, so there's something else confounding), and also that avg. sexual partners has actually dropped for both genders since the two previous generations (Y and Boomers).
kanji_sasahara 8y ago
Guess I know what I'll be reading this weekend. Social behavior research can be interesting when it isn't run by SJW cunts and/or white knights.
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makethemsayayy 8y ago
Right? I only get to LTR ONE person, I don't want a fucking slut to be my life. Fuck that.
popthatpill 8y ago
Indeed. I'm consistently shocked when I come here and read supposedly "red pill" guys who downplay the importance of N count on LTR worthiness.
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if(n > (age-17)/3): next
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
not downplay, get to the root.
The why matters more than the number. e.g. girl married at 18, divorced at 25, gets 9 dicks in the first 3 months of divorce
25 year old with 1.25 ducks a year since she was 17. serial monogamist.
10 vs 10 tell me which one is the fucking psycho? What about earlier, when it was 10 to 3?
numbers are a symptom, the reason is what matters
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KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
At the same time, the one with a dozen monogamous LTRs is someone you definitely should not wife up - she's ended a dozen LTRs - what makes you think that you're that special?
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
I'm not saying either ones a winner. figure lesser of two evils example would avoid thinking of it as unicorn daydreaming.
The point no one is getting either. when the marriage CC rider was at 3 dicks, looked way better on paper too. 3 vs 10? one marriage no kids? but you're just at the early side of a CC marathon.
Numbers don't say much, which is why I prefer reasons to numbers
ThrowingMyslfOutther 8y ago
You are blind dude.
That SPECIFICALLY says she has mental issues and is not worth LTR. IF the number is not 0.75 x sexually active years or lower, then she is incapable of maintaining a normal relationship, for whatever reason.
91239477348238942983 8y ago
SHIT I did not realize this was such an exact science.
robonubbins 8y ago
Not to fret! GayLubeOil will soon offer a crib sheet with these formulas for a very modest price.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
dude, it's a hypothetical to point out what I'm saying. and this isn't an argument for an arbitrary standard, kudos for you to sticking to it, but fuck man, you don't got to keep repeating it, our difference is I dont find flippant reasons to be valuable.
Matsew 8y ago
doesn't matter, neither is LTR material
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
it's a hypothetical, are you disagreeing that one would be demonstrably worse than the other? give the married one two kids, or the other one a substance abuse problem.
do you see how just saying age * .75 isn't really helpful?
Matsew 8y ago
I am. a serial monogamist doesn't know what she wants from life and is always branch swinging, looking for the rush of a new bf. typically gullible, stupid, slightly traditional(which would be good) and average girls fall into this category(imo). the other one... is a slut. no way around it. but I rather fuck a slut than waste time on a serial monogamist who's also taken many dicks and probably isn't very hot at all.
of course. a man has gotta judge on his own. but to echo sodainthewatercup6, I'm not lowering my standards for an ltr because society says so. it is not acceptable to hop on a different dick every 8 months for 10 years and expect the quality of men you're getting to be consistent(or even rising because women). it's also not acceptable to take as many dicks as you possibly can and expect commitment from anyone but bottom tier males. but most men have lost their bargaining chips in today's society and are taught to be weaklings. they don't keep their women in line and have been brainwashed to accept promiscuity as normal and 'empowering'. women no longer need men to survive. men have built the cities and keep the machines rolling for them.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
I'm not arguing having standards, I'm saying making them arbitrary doesn't make sense. We aren't disagreeing on shit women being shit partners either.
We are in the world we are in, we all make our choices. I got one that didn't get her brain filled with nonsense in college, raised in a 3rd world country (snorbird parents) and it's worked out well, especially after the pill. If it ceases to be so, then I walk.
Never asked about the N count, never gave mine. I always assume Nx2 where n is mine... 7 years later, the only time I've had a walk moment was after a year of being a beta bitch, and I was glad I got the wakeup call.
Way I see it, it's a specific crowd that gets that speech, just avoid college/bar/singlemom women and it's largely standard hypergamy, easy enough to be as alpha as you can be to keep them acting right.
I do feel bad for the boys stateside. I've been to probably 2 dozen countries over my career, and the US, by far, had the worst quality women out of all of them to me.
MashkaTekoa 8y ago
Waaaaaay below average. I know 17 year old girls with higher counts than that.
Interversity 8y ago
Average for millennials over lifetime (projected) is 8-10. 17 is actually pretty well above average.
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MashkaTekoa 8y ago
I'd really like to know how this data was gained, how they got their samples, what factors they used in their projections, etc...
To be honest I've been living like a complete lowlife depressed loser these past 4 years and still managed to have sex with 14 girls since Oct 2012 (maybe my lifes not so bad after all) so maybe there's an epidemic with people spending too much time on computers/mobile devices.
Maybe it's a regional/occupational thing too? Perhaps a fitness instructor in NYC will likely have more partners than a guy who fixes roofs in a conservative small-town bible belt community?
I'm just curious what other factors can be highly influencing the data. Average for one sample group may not be the same for another. My anecdotal experience based on the women I know in L.A. tells me 17 is below average for a 29 year old.
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Sum of the lies divided by the number of lies.
Interversity 8y ago
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-05/sdsu-caa050415.php
30,000+ people surveyed, longitudinal study conducted over 30 years (1972-2012). Average number of partners for millennials found to be 8.26.
MashkaTekoa 8y ago
Only a small portion of those people surveyed are relevant to millenial numbers. Not to mention the oldest millenial would be 31 right now so it's hard to say what their lifelong projected average would be.
I'd like to see a comparative study on this same topic. I feel like lumping rural conservative christians and urban extroverted athiests in the same survey are going to field some vastly different results.
In other words I think that number should be taken with a grain of sand.
Interversity 8y ago
Yes, and those who were millennials were found to average 8.26.
No shit, that's why they surveyed over 30,000 people. You'd have to try ridiculously hard to not get a representative sample out of 30,000 people.
You're not going to find many more rigorous and careful studies than a 30 year 30k surveyed longitudinal.
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Interversity 8y ago
Most surveys/studies are done in the 1000-1500 range. This provides a margin of error from 3-5% with a 95% confidence rate. This means that even just a survey of 1000 people, given proper sampling procedures, is a representative sample of the population.
Now let us assume 10,000 of the 30,000+ are millennials. That gives us a sample of 10k out of 320m (and it's way, way less than 320m, since it should be only millennials, so this number is in fact highly conservative). Calculate the margin of error given 95% confidence and you get 0.98.
This means that 19/20 times, surveying 10k millennials, we would get a number within 1.86 of the true number.
Your point about a comparative/categorized study being more useful has some truth to it, but saying it's too small of a sample size is just nuts. There's no point going much farther than 10,000, as the return on investment plummets exponentially (adding another 5k people only reduces MOE to 0.8).
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There is no consensus here as to what the n count number actually means other than n>x=slut. In my life (not yours or anyone else's) I feel the need to define for MYSELF what the equation means and not rely on others to define it for me. Of course, with experience, the values can change, but it's up to ME to change them. As much as I love TRP, some of you all are wack and I take what you say with a giant grain of salt. That said, the raw equation is sound. Here is where I am with it. "Slut" equals I shut off my heart and engage her with only my head and dick. If n>15, I will play this game. If n<15, I want to know about her last 3 relationships and forgive her the rest. My heart is "ajar". If n<5, she is probably 19 and too young for me anyway. When is my heart "open"? Haha. TRP taught me NEVER. This post was great. But great because I am discerning.
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I consider 37 around the norm for a woman in her late 20s. If she became active at 18 and had only two per year until 29 that would be 22 random guys. Toss in the random guys from bars, dorms, etc and the fact she can't even recall how many she has been with indicates 37 is an easy number to reach and definitely a low end approximation (based on her words)
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
She knows. She is just playing dumb.
AWALT.
EuronPacificus 8y ago
There is a valuable truth to be learned for women from the post:
If more women would understand this simple truth, there would be less "free sex" for Chad.
doctorlw 8y ago
I just can't agree with most of the posters here. I can count the girls on one hand that I know that have partner counts as low as 17, and I know some women I would consider very prude.
After college you should expect most girls to be between 15-25. By the time she is 30, I'd expect 30-40 and have absolutely no problem with a girl with that number of partners. In fact, women with low partner counts wouldn't get along with me anyway.
A low partner count doesn't make a woman somehow a good person or desirable wife... in fact, it probably means she is unattractive or boring. Further, it's better she goes through her "slut phase" that all people, including us men, typically go through during college than not go through it. The people that have relationships during college or get married out of high school, those are the women you really have to worry about because they will wonder during their marriage what they missed out on... seen it happen quite a few times already.
As someone mentioned already in this thread, sounds like the guy who was upset was only upset because his own number is low in comparison to hers.
slay_it_forward 8y ago
Men go through a slut phase in college? You're completely full of shit. Most men would go through a slut phase if they could, but they can't. That's the whole point and what makes a slut a slut. She doesn't have to do fuck all to get laid. She has to actively try not to get laid.
You're the most BP poster I've seen on here in a long time. Enjoy your sluts bro. I'm sure they'll be loyal to you because they fucked 50 + guys in college and got it out of their system. This subreddit exists because that's blatantly not true.
Stayinghereforreal 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3w&feature=player_detailpage&v=khJlFvWGE7A#t=1230
Define "good". Because if good=lasting marriage, the data may not agree with you.