Summary: Some golden quotes from "SarahEmCee" after reading a Jezebel article on men's age preferences (20 year olds). I took a look at her post history, and it's post-wall gold.
"Oh I have nothing but contempt for them. It’s a wasteland out there for single 30+ women, unless they’re into men their dads’ age."
"Yes, social capital does decrease with age for women and it decreases especially fast if she’s not married."
"Knowing that my dog and cat need me is what keeps me from offing myself, too, but it’s less of an “I can’t give up!” feeling and more like, “I am trapped.” Once they’re dead I’ll be free to die, too."
"Maybe the kids + husband combo is what causes the drudgery, because as a single person with only a couple single girlfriends left (the majority of the married ones are either parents or expecting babies), my life is far from awesome. Daily life is drudgery and there’s no shoulder to cry on, no partner to share good times with, no safety or security. I missed your original comment so if you are dealing with abuse/neglect then I really do feel for you."
"I’d have said the same thing before I found myself single at 31. In men’s minds, there absolutely IS a wall. Just browse some of their dating profiles to see all the 35 year olds seeking women aged 21-34. By mid-30s, the pool is almost dried up. The men who want partnerships with women got into them by that point and are either married or soon-to-be-married. The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers, OR, as old as my dad. Your words may feel pleasant and comforting to you but in the real world, being a single woman over 30 with even the most basic of standards is like being stuck at the bottom of the bargain bin at the grocery store."
"The downside to increasing my anti-depressant dosage and not crying all the time anymore is that ... I’m not crying at all so the anger, frustration and hopelessness is just boiling inside of me with no release. My life is so fucking stupid and embarrassing. I’m still not able to come to terms with the fact that my love life is over and the next however-many decades are going to be ... like this. It was my birthday a couple weeks ago and now I feel like my fate is sealed, down here at the bottom of the bargain bin. In addition to being terribly lonely and starved for affection I’m ashamed and in disbelief that nearly everyone I know—across the spectrum—has a partner if not a gaggle of children (the latter of which I don’t even want but it’s still like a punch in the gut to be a mere spectator to other people’s joy/happy families)."
"For women, if you don't meet your life partner in your 20s the ship has basically sailed."
Lesson: Some feminist women KNOW that their mentality is life-ruining, yet still continue to swear by it.
HeadingRed 8y ago
Calling bullshit on all this. Here's what I think it is -
She's in her 20's and all women at that age get a ton of attention - the HB7's up 100x more. And they can pick and live royally.
And then they get a little older. And all of a sudden they are like everyone else and has to work and compete for it. And they cry out "unfair" get meds, boxes of white wine and cats.
Welcome to world of 90% of men since they ever got interested in women.
analt223 8y ago
Women dont understand the "wait your turn" life men from 18 to late 20s have to deal with. By the time we survive with how women treat men in that age range, we kinda just say fuck it.
People dont realize (or they do but dont want to ruin the feminist narrative) how much BS men go through, especially in the fresh out of high school through mid 20s range. Its how people treat us during that time period that shape the personalities we have in our 30s and beyond.
Were supposed to feel sympathetic to women who hit the wall, but nobody gives two fucks about men who haven't achieved wealth and status, despite feminism saying how much they just want equality. If they want equality they'd date men who are younger than them, or make less money than them. They'd date a man and encourage him to go to college and even help pay it. Men have been doing that shit for years, women dont want to return the favor.
Feminism has done more to destroy the middle class than any economic policy of democrats or republicans.
vicious_armbar 8y ago
"The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers..."
Ahh sweet revenge! Don't worry honey. I'm one of the user's that you rejected in your early 20's, has managed to avoid the marriage trap, and looks like great husband material. I'll be by to give you false hope; then pump you and dump you soon. I think I just got a justice boner!
JohnGalt316 8y ago
actually it isn't revenge at all
she still has plenty of guys thirsting after her
she would rather die alone than lower her standards
truth is that most of these CC riders will lower their standards and marry BB in their 30s. very few will end up like this and she can easily fix her situation by settling today.
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"justice boner" LOL. Pure gold.
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teeelo 8y ago
No shit.
Where else exactly are they allowed to grieve?
Skipping anger phase is not bettering yourself!
YuriJackoffski 8y ago
We already lifted massive weights brah, chillout
Lord_NShYH 8y ago
"You pumped and dumped me."
"It was my privilege."
"Scumbag!"
"Next! Lose my number, bitch."
tio1w 8y ago
No, you always use a different number except for professional reasons.
GnonSequitur 8y ago
Except the wheels of the next stage of horror have already started turning.
"You pumped and dumped me."
"It was my privilege."
"Rape!"
For all those saying "enjoy the decline" - we haven't hit rock bottom yet, and none of us really know how deep this rabbit hole can go.
Lord_NShYH 8y ago
Perhaps all break-ups should be done in public or the plate should just be ignored, and allowed to grow mold.
StarDestinyGuy 8y ago
Oh god that's fucking gold.
life036 8y ago
Haha, guess you missed the bandwagon on that one: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/it-was-my-privilege
StarDestinyGuy 8y ago
Oh fantastic. You just made me day - I know what I'll be doing when I have a little downtime later today. Thanks man!
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seattleron 8y ago
Holy shit, never thought i'd see something so honest from them.
She is being a little dramatic about things, but yeah, basically.
Your_Personal_Jesus 8y ago
I wish women realize this worked this way because when THEY were 20 year old they were banging a bunch of older guys. They you get looked at as used goods, so the cycle continues. Solipsism obviously.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
We all know she had plenty of offers in her 20s, but she thought her shit didn't stink.
toysjoe 8y ago
She makes it sound like she came out of her mom's vagina already 30 years old.
garlicextract 8y ago
The core sentiment in what she is saying... is how many guys feel their entire lives.
rrealnigga 8y ago
You nigga listened to 2pac too?
Il128 8y ago
She's lying of course. I'm 50 and I've dated tens of women in their 20's.
She's talking about herself and the thousands of older women nobody wants. Who wants to date bitter and histrionic?
CornyHoosier 8y ago
I went on a date with a self-proclaimed feminist the other day. It was horrible. The entire time she was bitching about someone or something in her life. My personal favorite was when I said anything she would dismiss what I said, and say something along the lines of, "people who think that are stupid."
She either truly didn't care or truly didn't realize that she was calling everything I say stupid. She even had the nerve at the end of the night when I was free to go out again. Ha!
McLarenX 8y ago
Omlala's analogy of the rabbit and the apple grove makes more and more sense. There are betas in school attaining high-earning degrees and even a few alphas that may settle for the right mate in their 20s. But, safety and security are never on a woman's mind in the resource-rich western world. In our reality, highs are so easy to get that women get lost in the world of instant gratification. Why find a viable-long term mate when there is throbbing alpha cock available a few taps away on tinder?
Women are good for a few things, but long term planning definitely isn't one of them. Once they're past 30, the high earning beta has already found a post CC HB7 to settle with and the Alpha in their age cateogry with a desire to start the family may have a kid or two with own his hot wife.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
That's true but a post wall bitch will always genuinely believe she is going to die alone. She'll never have that "validation" again.
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I've lived and travelled through many developing countries. In the western world you are literally trying to fuck a princess, she has never worked a day in her life, can't cook and doesn't strictly need you. You are not a prince so you can't compete, the best you can hope for is the 10%
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Mightyskunk 8y ago
Omlala's analogy of the rabbit and the apple grove makes more and more sense. There are betas in school attaining high-earning degrees and even a few alphas that may settle for the right mate in their 20s. But, safety and security are never on a woman's mind in the resource-rich western world. In our reality, highs are so easy to get that women get lost in the world of instant gratification. Why find a viable-long term mate when there is throbbing alpha cock available a few taps away on tinder?
Have you been to TrollX yet? The sub is packed with these women. Fucking gross.
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Chrience 8y ago
You'll notice how she talks as if her love life is the entire focus of her existence. She needs that alpha or else the world is such a horrible place to her.
Could she get better by volunteering, committing to a cause, taking up a hobby or at least taking ACTION in bettering herself for the Sexual marketplace? No. This is what WE do. We are happy with producing and raising our value. Women are only truely happy with an alphas undying commitment to her.
She needs men to be happy, but they certainly don't need her!
It's a part of AWALT because this is a major instinctual difference. You'll see a lot of girls in such a depressed state in their 30s and its all thanks to Feminism. They wanted all the alpha cock in college and ditched their femininity for the workplace, and the men they needed so badly simply don't want them anymore.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
That's true of many girls I know, and they all thought it would be different for themselves. They all thought that they were "smarter" than everyone else. lol
Chrience 8y ago
Haha, yes you're right. They're too self centered to realise theyre just like every other girl , and every other girl is too self centred to realise the same thing. Another part of AWALT: solipsism!
AtrialSeptalPrefect 8y ago
Think about how many decent guys, even BB, she totally dismissed. Probably dozens, if not hundreds. But she's a strong, independent woman who's not gotta settle for just anyone.
drallcom3 8y ago
They were invisible to her as partners. Look how she doesn't even remember them.
unmeilleurmoi 8y ago
Get over it. Our goal here is not to cry about women rejecting "decent" men. Our goal is to become the men they fuck. We can't change women but we can change our sexual strategy.
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Stormhammer 8y ago
I've noticed a dichotomy of women that live in major cities and women that live out more in the suburbs/country.
Those that are in the city are more career oriented, but are also the ones that I see that are 35-38 years old now, have a great career and maybe a house, but are now pining for marriage and a serious relationship, because the past 18 years they've been out having fun and being a "strong, independent woman." Bar hopping, concert going, carousel riding, etc.
TheReformist94 8y ago
Good for them.this stuff makes me happy.I hit the wall from 14-21. I have no pity.
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DarthExero 8y ago
When a 25 year old virgin expresses his struggle they will be the first to rub salt in his wounds with pearls of wisdom like "SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NOTHING FROM WOMEN. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR SITUATION YOU PIECE OF SHIT"
But when the tables are turned its "WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD GUYS AT!"
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I am 20 and I feel like I am reverse hitting the wall.
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200mgtestc 8y ago
Think of it more like a supply and demand curve graph. Men's SMV's are positive, women's SMV's are negative.
They cross each other at about 29.
Apostrophe 8y ago
Men start at the wall and must climb over it to get started with growing into a worthy man.
Many fail.
foldpak111 8y ago
I like looking at it like this; women have a wall, but men have a wall then a mountain. This shit ain't easy.
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Ali_s1987 8y ago
What all of you seem to miss the fact that "The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers, OR, as old as my dad." She still has guys interested! But they aren't good enough for her stupid ass.
Matsew 8y ago
let's be honest here, if she got any attention while she was young, I'm pretty sure she's not THAT much worse now and could get a slightly-beta 45 year old who makes decent money. why they don't go for that is beyond me. ofc they are not going to get the 6'2" 35 year old ceo with the lean body, but for some reason they always pine for the slightly-older true alpha. media programming? sunken costs?(maybe she could've had him at 20 but she's spent all this time looking for better deals)
manslutalt 8y ago
Because, in her eyes and words, those guys are "users, losers and abusers". That's right, a 45-year-old single beta bux is a loser in her eyes and she doesn't want to admit that she's also a loser at this point.
nicethingyoucanthave 8y ago
My favorite example of this phenomenon is from this article - and note that these are college-aged women in their 20's!
a large group of sorority women at the University of North Carolina squeezed into the corner booth of a gritty basement bar. ... As a night out, it had everything — except guys. “This is so typical, like all nights, 10 out of 10,” said Kate Andrew, a senior from Albemarle, N.C. The experience has grown tiresome: they slip on tight-fitting tops, hair sculpted, makeup just so, all for the benefit of one another, Ms. Andrew said, “because there are no guys.”
Hear that? No guys. No guys at all. Not a single one!
Jayne Dallas, a senior studying advertising who was seated across the table, grumbled that the population of male undergraduates was even smaller when you looked at it as a dating pool. “Out of that 40 percent, there are maybe 20 percent that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends, so all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent,” she said.
*facepalm*
In the case of Ms. Jezebel commentor, she says that men are either: "The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers, OR, as old as my dad."
My guess is, most of them are getting the label of "loser" simply by virtue of their willingness to date her. It's like, if a guy totally surrenders and say, "whatever you want - you want to get married? okay, we'll get married. No arguments" She perceives that guy as a loser. I mean clearly his standards are too low. If the same guy told her he only wanted sex, then he'd be using her.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
Well shit, right there they are striking off half the dating pool.
zookeepier 8y ago
That's the beauty of her post. She would rather "off herself" than lower her standards and date someone older than her. She's "terribly lonely and starved for affection" and would rather have "no shoulder to cry on, no partner to share good times with, no safety or security" than date an older guy.
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zephyrprime 8y ago
She could still date a loser too. Sure he's not making a lot of dough but I'm sure she could find one who was a decent life partner. That's just not good enough for her though.
DarthExero 8y ago
Or a guy her own age she feels is below her in any way. Which often enough can be something as trivial as not having a college degree.
Turn_Coat_2 8y ago
This, they see a barren wasteland of guys who aren't up to their standards. Stay lonely.
DarthExero 8y ago
I think its legit misandry. The sort of standards they place on dudes a guy would never even bother with having for women. If a chick is happy in her life no dude will care if she never got a college degree. To a chick with a degree working at Starbucks she will consider a plumber who makes three times as much as she does beneath her.
Turn_Coat_2 8y ago
To be fair, I'd care if my partner was ignorant/stupid, but a college degree is hardly an indication of that.
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grewapair 8y ago
It's because she's afraid she can't push an older guy around.
Borsao66 8y ago
No, its exposes her fear.
The guy is more likely to kick off first, leaving her alone. The "I won't date older men" isn't 100% about SMV, its about their fear of being alone again.
grewapair 8y ago
As if they are capable of thinking that far in advance.
Borsao66 8y ago
Fear is one of their fee feez. I never said they were smart enough to think ahead. /s
RedditArgument 8y ago
I have to play devil's advocate here. Never underestimate her ability to think in terms of how something will affect her.
More likely she perceives it will result in a loss of her own social proof among her friends/fellow feminists that she dared to date an older man.
Crisp_Volunteer 8y ago
It's probably because she worries about "what other people would think" too.
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TheReformist94 8y ago
So what .its their problem.they can lower their standards.
LittleRedBirdie 8y ago
Shame on you for plating women who want LTRs. If you want to do that shit, stick to CC riders.
Plenty of slutty women will be more than happy to "date" you. Why break hearts?
BudapestPUA 8y ago
Shame on you for white-knighting.
verify_account 8y ago
Feeling a little entitled for an LTR are we? I don't owe you anything.
LittleRedBirdie 8y ago
No, if you don't want an LTR then don't waste her time. Find a woman wants casual sex or a woman that you're willing to have an LTR with.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Hey!
Men are not just vending machines that you can put in sex and get out a relationship.
LittleRedBirdie 8y ago
I completely agree, but that's no excuse to behave like a sollipsistic feminist. You swallowed the Red Pill. You know better.
They shouldn't accept the sex, just as a woman shouldn't accept the favors. Unfortunately, people take advantage of those who are interested in them, which is why most of us are here in the first place.
cmkinusn 8y ago
What does he owe them exactly? Most likely a woman that age knows when a man wants an LTR or to plate them, stop acting like they are helpless.
LittleRedBirdie 8y ago
I thought he pretends he wants to LTR them. That was why I wrote my reply.
If he made his intentions clear, then that's on them.
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LittleRedBirdie 8y ago
Good for you! If you're not pretending you'll eventually commit, then I take back what I wrote.
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notevenatthestart 8y ago
Imagine you're dating a girl. You take her somewhere. It doesn't matter whether it's ice skating, to a museum, for a walk or for a weekend away somewhere.
First, consider the case where her eyes light up. "This is wonderful," she says. You're exposing her to new things. You're seeing her life move to a new level right in front of you and you're with her as she experiences that blend of nervousness and excitement that comes with the unknown. "I've never done this before!". She's thinking of you, and the fun you're having and the fun you're going to have. It's new to her, it's exciting, and that excitement is part of her appeal to you, right? It's also part of your appeal to her. She associates you with positive emotions. That's before we even consider the aphrodisiac effect of doing something exciting with someone.
Now, reset the scenario. Imagine she's older. Imagine she's done all this sort of stuff before. She's had four or five long-term relationships. She's been ice skating. She's been to a lot of museums. The city break reminds her of Sharon's hen party. She's thinking of her ex-boyfriend, the one she really misses, the one who took her places and then fucked her brains out. Her reaction is positive, but that simple, innocent pleasure is gone.
Which do you think will be the better date?
CornyHoosier 8y ago
Damn, dude. Way to hit the nail on the head.
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RedHeimdall 8y ago
Yeah the innocence factor is huge and it can be obvious even just in their faces and their eyes, their basic personalities.
A certain open-ness, an enthusiastic attitude toward life, a genuine smile, a sense of optimism regarding the future
vs.
Being closed off, guarded, jaded, bitter, cynical, sarcastic, pessimistic
Mintaka7 8y ago
My uncle once said "I'm cynical enough for both of us, I want her to be the one who smiles to the future." It took me a long time to understand that.
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abetterarsonist 8y ago
Damn, what a salty bitch. I'd kick out a girl for that these days.
Mintaka7 8y ago
I just imagined you blurting that out under your breath and that looks freaking hilarious.
zpatriarchy 8y ago
i love when they think they are in a position of power & you let them think that, then afterwards, they are like "i don't know what went wrong"
Kalidane 8y ago
A 27 year old said to me "If you're not careful you'll have no one". I couldn't help laughing out loud. I was seeing 2 other chicks at the time and gave no fucks. I assume strong projection was in play on her part, or she simply had no understanding.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Unless you get oneitis it is always like that in every relationship. They think they have all the power and they do- until you figure out that there is always another hole and theirs is nothing special.
DarthExero 8y ago
Wait until it has been 5-6 years since any dudes have done that for her. Or better yet, 10-12 years. While the 30 year olds may remember the days of their 20s and are pissed off that all the good ones are taken. The women in their 40s will settle for much much lower standards or they will be alone.
Pfoenix 8y ago
But who wants a woman in her late 30s or early 40s?
TRPhd 8y ago
Men in their 50's and 60's.
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truchisoft 8y ago
My current girl is 37 and just like that, I love how innocent she is, never ate cold pizza, never combined gum and candy, never went to a canival... never fucked in the beach, or the pool... i'ts like dating a 20 year old.
seattleron 8y ago
And she fucking LOVES you for experiencing new things with her. Now, every time she thinks of the things you do, or is reminded of a place/song/feeling, you'll be the one she thinks of, and it's you who she will be assciating the warm feelings with. She will be hooked for a long time, brah.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
Nice find, where was she stashed away that she couldn't experience that sort of stuff?
I'm dating a 23 yo right now and we've been exploring all sorts of places (even places I've never been) and trying new things. It's like watching a kid eat ice cream for the first time ... there was so much she didn't know would pleasure her.
truchisoft 8y ago
She's a late bloomer, has low n-count that I tend to believe (4 guys) she was really shy at the beginning but has been opening like a beautiful flower every day since I met her.
It's what I like more about dating girls, I find broken girls disgusting, but that's my taste.
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Hoodwink 8y ago
Sometimes, I like to play 'honesty (non-)game' just to check if a girl would give the 'real' me a chance online.
They don't. They won't.
I'm never going to get married. Any kids will be strictly a business arrangement as far as I'm concerned.
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I often do that, only to find they've blocked me from further contact. I take that as a "Hell NO! Chance".
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Hoodwink 8y ago
Nah. I mean the 'beta' inside me. How I enjoy a quiet life. Or that I'm 'shy' (when I'm not putting up a complete facade). That I struggle to make money. Or that I have problems with my sleep. That I'm really looking for a long-term relationship as a goal. That I enjoy trying out new healthy recipes (I sometimes do this to fatter chicks). I don't even tell them about my hallucinations..
It's repellent telling women you're a normal human being. Women want the dancing monkey. The 'beta game' I was taught was 'to be yourself' and to be 'honest' and to come across as 'a real person'. It's become a bit of a joke for me the further along I go.
Funnily enough. Telling a woman you're never going to get locked down, from what I've heard, isn't so much of a problem because it seems like women think of it like a challenge. I've got a friend who does this, and lots of women stick around for a long time trying to get into his pants... (he's got an 8 inch cock). Women think with their pussies, but they don't know it because our whole civilization cheers them on.
mooch10 8y ago
Women are owned by society, always have been always will be. The game has changed and women enjoy more freedoms but their personhood and individuality is still lacking. It takes a lot of strength to look at the world around you from your own unique perspective and women aren't in the environment to encourage this. We live in a gynocracy. Ironically this robs women of any true power beyond the fact that they are valued solely for their sexuality. The image on the surface is safe, it's easy and it doesn't require the pain of introspection to consume. I like women but I'm always met with the realization that they are powerless to remove the ire of group think and doing "what's right" because it's what everyone else is doing. I can't ever feel truly close to them.
Hoodwink 8y ago
I think it actually grants them real actual personal power, too quickly. It's absolutely real - nothing magical and mysterious like 'patriarchy' helping men. It effects their personal lives in very, very real ways. Otherwise, what you're saying is just feminism.
Like a rich kid, she doesn't know how to gain wealth, only to manipulate what she currently has.
It's the same reason why there aren't women in 'STEM' fields - it's too hard. Most women can get the same or more money by stripping, porn, or prostitution. Or just by finding the nearest guy and having sex with them while being a pleasant or boring person with nothing going on.
It's too much power, too early. There's no real struggle in any woman's life unless her parents are poor as dirt or their family situation is particularly fucked up. Men are the only ones who need to achieve, to struggle, and to fail. And then to ultimately succeed.
Women (and there are women like this) can make it a point to use their inherent power to succeed - more easily than men. But, in their heads - it's a struggle like no other in their lives. Everything seems like it's purposely trying to destroy her because she has never experienced any sense of true struggle or competition.
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"the 'beta' inside me"...sounds like a book written by a power bottom
whispernovember 8y ago
You can't believe the marketing.
No car is a great as the commercial makes it look.
No person is as great as they appear to be. You are comparing your average to other people's highlights.
Remember that and you will be fine.
Hoodwink 8y ago
Right.
I get that. But women don't.
whispernovember 8y ago
Men fall victim also.
But knowing that, just play the game and have a blast. Everyone puts their best foot forward, just do the same, relax and enjoy.
zephyrprime 8y ago
Yeah, men already know this shit. It's women that don't. They are fundamentally incapable of perceiving the true inner nature of things and are only able to perceive the superficial aspects and social aspects of something.
Seducibledotcom 8y ago
He knows that though. it's women that don't know that.
whispernovember 8y ago
...he acts like he doesn't. Don't bitch, just play the game.
Of course people put their best foot forward. It's just normal... of course people have a poker face, its how you play fucking poker.
DarthExero 8y ago
Women believe Instagram is real life.
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Hallucinations? So you're a crazy person, right?
Hoodwink 8y ago
Nah. I'm more sane than most people. I've practiced a lot of rigorous examination of my own experiences that most people just don't do.
Any hallucinations I have is mostly due when I've got a lot of constant long-term emotions (anxiety, sorrow, sleeplessness, raging-anger, heartbreak, pain, etc.). For me, Buddhist ideas about detachment and a simple life is basically a cure-all by avoidance.
The closest description of what I seem to have is something like this girl. But, I'm not on anything and I don't claim a bunch of other diagnosis's. I just hear music (angelic singing or devilish/sadistic punk) and I might see a psychedelic scarab at a Burger King or a 'hyper-real' giant mosquito sucking blood from hand when I wake up for a few seconds. And some hyper-real 'visions' (closed-eye hallucinations) when I wake up/sleep (but they say it's normal, but I think it's obviously connected).
The vast majority of the time, I can and do just ignore it.
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Yeah, but there's a reason why women don't want to fuck you. You're a genetic dead end. Worse than that, they might be stuck raising your genetically damaged offspring while you're out scratching at scarabs.The red pill is all about the truth, dude.
You have issues. And women pick that up.
The amount of self-pity on here is embarrassing.
Hoodwink 8y ago
Trust me. People don't even pick up on that in my life.
Not a genetic dead-end because there's plenty of IQ to go around in my family. It's probably not a classic case of schizophrenia because it's so linked to painful emotions.
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VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
That's The Wall is real. The problem the Hamsters have is that they're deluded about it, whilst Men are compelled to face facts far sooner in life and live in a Reality-Based Environment.
The only thing that's so shocking is how so many Hamsters are amazed that, after years of riding the CC, boozing it up, swinging from chandeliers and giving the pussy up to douchebags and outlaw bikers, they wake up at 35 and wonder "Why will no on marry me?"
Because you're a used up cum dumpster, that's why. A guy who marries you isn't "winning" in the end, he's stuck with a petri dish that's seen more splooge than a sperm bank.
I'm not in a hurry to LTR/wife up any of my plates, but if I did, why shouldn't it be the 19 y.o. or one of the 21 y.o.s? After all, they're willing to give me their best years.
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MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
The reason is: because marrying her would be a terrible fucking deal.
What amazes me is that they don't see it from the guy's view at all. Like they expect the guy to make terrible choices for himself in the face of better options. It's as if they believe screaming and stamping their feet is going to make their entitled little dream come true.
I get the solipsism.... but even with just a tiny bit of projection (something women excel at in other areas), most people will realise that other people make fairly rational choices for themselves.
These women just seem to have this crazy wishful-thinking of "I want therefore the world must provide" mentality and some crazy hyperdrive hamstering going on to make them believe it's going to happen like that for them.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Oh, believe me, I've seen it first hand. I'm 48 and there are 35 y.o. post-Wall, "reformed" carousel riders who think that either I'm 'too old' for them (still hanging on to that false hope of denial) or that they're 'entitled' to a man such as myself, and I should be 'grateful' b/c they're 'young' compared to me, and thus I should eat whatever plate of shit they offer and tell them how good it tastes. Not.Gonna.Happen.EVER.
The shit blizzard of hating and shaming that erupts from them when they discover that I am dating/mating/plating women 10-15 years younger than they are is priceless--I tell them if only to watch their heads explode (although they'd be smart to draw something from The Lesson, while there is still (fading) hope for them.)
malariasucks 8y ago
I'm not sure how old you are but everyone is different. I am in my early 30s and there's no way I would ever date someone 21. Dating someone with a little more experience in life and more than 1-2 years out of college is much more attractive (aside from looks).
teeelo 8y ago
That experience typically includes fucking chad...
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Hey, it's a free country, go after what you like.
As for me, I'm very selective, so the young ones are exceptional, not your typical Kardashian-obsessed attention whores.
malariasucks 8y ago
well I suppose they do exist. I've already entered a LTR but it would be super rare for me to find a 21 yo worth the hassle.
Where do you live?
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
NYC Metro, but I also spend a lot of time in California, and back in the Old Country. In the states, I wouldn't date anyone further removed than 1 generation from the immigration experience. You find higher quality women that way.
Also, it appears you are talking LTRs and I am mostly talking plates--I was saying that if I were to wife up one of my plates, why not a woman who is willing to give me her Good Years, and not some post-Wall hosebag who thinks she's some sort of "prize" because, now that she has put 100K hard miles on herself and is 'ready to settle down', I should be 'grateful'. Not happening.
malariasucks 8y ago
old country? That's really interesting that you mention that. I ended up with someone in that category and it's been pretty good.
makes sense all around
deltron80 8y ago
But she can still get more sex with higher quality partners than 90% of men...she just can't get plowed out by 10's on demand anymore.
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There is a bit of fantasy revenge porn in this post. Not every former CC riding hottle will die alone with their cats.
To maximize YOUR sexual strategy then you shouldn't indulge too much of this. Especially when there are hordes of betas dying to be her second prize.
Keep the focus on yourself
Rasalom72 8y ago
Except she doesn't seem to realize that even at that age, if she is ATTRACTIVE (not fat, etc), she still has a chance to get a normal guy at that age.... even one that is slightly older.
But, she doesn't want to have to lower her standards to accept Non-Chad guys... she still want's Mr. Perfect with a $200k/ year job and six pack abs.
AnotherLostCause 8y ago
The hamster doesnt work that way. If she settles down her man has to be better than all the chads who saw her as a pump and dump. Richer than rich Chad. Better looking than tall Chad. Heck insert quality here. If the man she marries isnt better then she will hate him. In the past women werent cum dumsters and men had serious dread game because there was no divorce rape. Now. Marrying that harpy is proof of insanity.
Three_Finger_Brown 8y ago
I want a wife with a 6 pack and a $200K a year job, Im just glad am I guy and I was not raised in a culture that told me I deserved that for doing nothing other than being born with an "innie" not an "outie".
NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
But remember. Women aren't attracted to "normal" AKA average. They only want the top 10-20% of men. Everyone else is a "creep".
Chances are high that she constantly rejects normal, average men, as she referred to when she said "The only men who want 33 year old woman are users, losers and abusers".
In other words, men still want her, just not the men she wants. Users and abusers probably refers to alpha males who stay single and keep fucking bitches without committing to them. And losers refers to the average beta bux chump.
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I'm pretty sure this is the case. I guess it's true that the male unicorns are an endangered species also.
Mithra9009 8y ago
Thanks for highlighting this. When I imagine these women complaining about "losers", I always imagine poor people who work bottom-of-the-barrel jobs like garbagemen and bricklayers or a 30 year-old pizza delivery man, that sort of thing when in reality, it's also (regardless of wealthiness) betas. A loser in a woman's eyes is a man who isn't in the top 20%. It still boggles my mind just how many men simply fail to register on a woman's sexual radar.
I still remember that previous discussion about the woman who was found dead outside the house of a drug dealer with her panties in her purse. She had a husband I thought was a winner. Yeah, he was a bit chubby but he seemed nice and he had a good jaw in my opinion, others however seemingly immediately pegged him as a beta just looking at him. It all really emphasises just how brutal things really are.
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DarthExero 8y ago
Its sort of strange that women a woman stays in shape and isn't a cunt that they will still be in demand. My parents divorced when my mother was in her 50s. My mom could be a total cunt at the drop of a hat and pretty much stopped all exercise. No dude wants to hang out with a bitchy slug.
Instead of taking on healthy eating she just eats fried food with no balance. Instead of starting to exercise she took on smoking. Now she is knocking on the door of 60 and starting to be remotely healthy is impossible for her. No dude wants to be around her at all. She just figures all dudes got super shitty.
Its just guys in their 50s don't mind being alone. You have to be a better option than being alone. Women in their 50s have to do yoga, pilates, weight training, cardio, dress in flattering clothing, have their hair done right, be cool as fuck. Learn about interesting shit.
All this stuff we have to do now as young men women in their 40s and 50s need to do. The only difference is they once had it easy and don't see why it can't just be like that again.
Turn_Coat_2 8y ago
To be fair, her generation of men are much more willing to put up with shit than ours.
bboy1977 8y ago
As a guy in his upper 30s I'd only consider someone 35plus if they are paying their own mortgage and have a secondary degree minimum. If all they are is attractive, then go with someone younger, equally attractive and with way less baggage.
I found this sub a few weeks ago after having dated a few 30+ year olds. Holy shit some of the things they would say are exactly what I read in posts here. At the time I would just nod and not really know how to respond (e.g. why is this girl telling me her friends are all getting married, having kids and she is the only single one left, we just met 30 mins ago). Now it is all making sense.
exit_sandman 8y ago
This is the wall. It's not turning 30 and being ugly from one day to the next.
It's a woman having last minute panic, wanting a ring and a bun in the oven within a year or two, and conveying that mindset during the first conversation, i.e. making clear that they expect a guy they basically just met to be in serious relationship-mode from one moment to the next. No wonder these women realize how much more awful dating is in your 30s than in your 20s (when you didn't feel the pressure to ask these questions).
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Sometimes I find older (25-35) girls can actually have less baggage simply because they know to check it.
Three_Finger_Brown 8y ago
Not really "less", just well hidden!
MCgrandRoyal 8y ago
Nope, she explicitly says that she won't date an older man who is interested in younger women shrugs
PaulAJK 8y ago
That's a real American thing, you don't get that in Europe to anything like the same degree. Maybe it's because the majority of older US men are fat, perhaps.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
It has more to do with post-Wall USA women being cunty, I think.
FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
It's because they know they'll be traded out when they let themselves get fat & sloppy. They don't want to have to continue working on themselves.
Turn_Coat_2 8y ago
the majority who don't already have a girl.
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NSmaf 8y ago
But of course, there's nothing wrong with a 23 yo girl to set her age range to 25-40. The problem is with the guys in her age range that are attracted to her.
donttellthefamily 8y ago
Right! Young girl always make the excuse that an older man is more "mature" aka has more money to impress her with. But when an older guy dates and younger chick it's because she's hotter and (most of the time) more eager to please. And yet men are crucified for wanting what they value.
I don't understand why a lot of women and SJWs have such a hard time admitting that men and women just want different things. And that's okay.
8n0n 8y ago
If the men they desired were giving them those things they wouldn't bicker about not having them.
Because those sorts of men they want don't settle for second best is what upsets them; something I am certain will not change either no matter how much they throw a tantrum (feminism, HAES/fat acceptance) like a child to try and change that reality.
All you need to understand is that they "feel" things are wrong because we are not treating the way they expected to be (perfect precious snowflakes to be adored by all, though equally the fault of Disney etc. as is the blue pill in men), that they are not getting their due worth, and ultimately have resorted to bickering like children.
Some of these women could undo some of the damage to themselves; (diet, exercise and perhaps even cultivate a personality that could generate interesting conversation) but because of such indoctrination (deserving everything because they are women) very few will put in the hard work to reap the rewards they so loudly ask (read demand) delivered to them.
In short, learn to accept that SJWs (and women leaning towards that) are turning to such things because it is a way they want to try and use to succeed in securing the things they want for themselves as individuals, rather than putting in the hard yards to earn those things as we do here in TRP.
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IllimitableMan 8y ago
She can get an old alpha or a beta her own age. What she won't get is an alpha her age, he can get 18 year olds.
Rathadin 8y ago
Welp, came here to say what you said...
I'm 35. This year will be the first year I am on track to make more than $200,000 through a small side business I've started to eventually supplant my current job. I live and work in a city on the Gulf Coast. I live in a small-for-the-area condo, and I have a small sailboat (under 30').
Why would I ever even consider a sad sack of misery and depression like SarahEmCee? Even if she's attractive, its clear that life has beaten her down... why would I want that negative energy around me? I already have trouble keeping myself positive. I'm a realist by nature, which most people interpret as pessimism. I don't need another person sharing my life with an even worse mentality.
Its funny how she said:
She's hilariously off the mark. I limited my ages to 18-25. I made the mistake in the past five years of dating a 30 year old and a 29 year old, when I was also 30, and 34. Nope, nope, nope, and nope again. Waste of my fucking time. I'm sorry, but from what I can see, by the time the average American girl has turned 26 and older, she is mostly a used up cum dumpster who's too snarky and bitchy to want to spend any amount of time with on a regular basis.
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Damascene_2014 8y ago
Really? I find under 25s just to be a ball of chaos with cock ADHD. I can bang them but nothing on earth seems to stop them from just revolving right around on the CC which is just obnoxious and I don't want to spin that many plates to be able to fill up my time and energy.
They are mellowing by 26 and so 26-29 seems like the perfect age range to me. I'm turning 42 though..make 114k at my job...
Faghomo 8y ago
That's some extraordinarily shitty young chicks you've got, bro. AWALT is a spectrum.
TheThingsIThink 8y ago
I'm 34. My dating preferences is set to 24 to 44. If a lady gives me shit I just point out I'm dating 10 over, ten under. I throw fucks into women in their 30s but they aren't serious dating considerations.
exit_sandman 8y ago
This. Why is that so much of a problem? I mean, it's not as if by entering a certain age range you are legally obligated to also date within that age range. Be like the woman who "doesn't care about height" but only dates guys 6' and taller for some mysterious reason.
TheThingsIThink 8y ago
Pointing their thought errors out so bluntly is straight talk. You straight talk and you show you have no game. You need to power or baby talk them.
I'm not a a natural at power talk. This girl was so, so close to getting plated by me asks if I'm screwing around. I give her a short, honest answer and her reply "your won't even lie to me".
If I had shown her some goddamn respect and just lied to her I would have been able to plate her. Instead I tried to show pre-election. Shit
IllimitableMan 8y ago
Right there with you. Unbound optimism is naive. If something generally yields a predictable result and that result happens to be negative, I won't insult my intelligence and "be optimistic", when it comes to social situations my predictions/judgements are accurate 90%+ of the time.
Optimists are weak people who can't handle the harshness of reality so pretend everything is fine and will go their way.
People think if you are cynical or realistic that you are unhappy and negative. Yes it's easy to become like that, because when you are realistic you see the ugliness of the world AND THERE IS LOTS OF IT, bad has a tendency to overshadow good, but there is good too. I live in a rich country with shelter, food, internet, a ton of books and some other luxuries, I could do a lot worse.
If you are a realist and your disposition is positive it's because you're on top of all your shit, have your ass covered and don't leave anything to chance. You create your own fortune. It's not because you decided to take a huge blue pill, tell yourself everybody is great, and that the people who wrong you are exceptions rather than the rule. The optimist looks for the inherent goodness of everything, and when he or she finds it, no matter how tiny, they blow it up and hold onto it for dear life because like a child the thought that Santa Claus isn't real is just too unbearable.
A realist weighs things up more evenly, and doesn't hide in the coping mechanism of self-deception, they create their own fortune. Happiness is a choice, and it starts with self-honesty and self-discipline, the hallmarks of maturity.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
I am reminded of a favorite definition:
An Optimist is someone who is not in full possession of all of the facts.
8n0n 8y ago
Whenever the topic comes up, I just recall this print I spotted across a barroom wall a few years ago.
http://cdn3.volusion.com/2dahj.3qwj9/v/vspfiles/photos/KC74-2.jpg
The realists see that the glass is empty, what happens next is either they bicker and complain about it (those that concentrate on the negatives) or get right to work ordering a refill (the positive side of realism).
FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
Pessimists live longer.
BradPill 8y ago
That's why socialism doesn't work - it assumes "the good in man". My ass. You can't be positive about mankind, in general - but of course, I'm cynical...
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No. Optimists are strong people who persevere in spite of the harshness of reality with no loss of enthusiasm.
Seattlelite84 8y ago
As a realist I'm finding it easy to dismiss that.
Turn_Coat_2 8y ago
As an alcoholic, fuck both of you.
KeithStone30rack 8y ago
How do you respond when someone mentions you are pessimistic?
I've been having this problem for the past 6-7 months since I found TRP. I have mainly focused on TRP material, but also economic and personal finance issues. And a lot of my friends will disagree with me and ultimately end up going down the shaming route by saying I'm pessimistic.
Rathadin 8y ago
I usually ask people, "Okay, explain how I'm being pessimistic..." which then leads to a lot of touchy-feely response, which I then counter again by saying, "Its not pessimistic to plan out how to handle the shit you need to get done, its common sense and living in the real world. Just saying 'everything's gonna be alright' over and over doesn't do a goddamned thing. That's a fine attitude for children and women who aren't responsible for the bills to have, its not a fine attitude for a man who has to make ends meet."
RPJapan 8y ago
dont even waste time justifying yourself, you enter their frame that way
Rathadin 8y ago
Nah, I don't agree with this... I'm not entering their frame, I'm explaining why they're fucking stupid... and I'll keep hammering on them until they break.
Rasalom72 8y ago
So she won't date any male over the age of 16?
Jax77789 8y ago
Look how this bitch acts all picky on men open to post-wall shrivelled brats like her. What did you expect girl, are we supposed to wait for you to finish riding the CC ? I smile seeing you cry. That is comeuppance for all the men whose lives and hearts you gave no flying fuck breaking to pieces because you just "felt" like it.
Reminds me of a stupid woman I talked to a year ago, 30, complained how miserable and old she felt when she found out on FB her BF she dumped had had a kid ...
I am not swayed by these emotional pity pleas any more. These post-walls deserve every bit of the shit life they brought upon themselves.
life036 8y ago
Lol how do you even know this bitch broke anybody's heart? She could be a 300 lb. sweatbeast for all we know. That's the more likely scenario I gleaned from reading her posts, anyway.
truthiesttruth 8y ago
I remember my first day on TRP too
VinylGuy420 8y ago
Everyone has an anger phase.
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ECoast_Man 8y ago
If I've said once, I've said it a million times - all women are acutely aware of the wall whether it's consciously or subconsciously.
What a true TRP man needs to do is cash in on this. I wrote before that I've gamed many pre-wall women by making fun of post-wall women to them. They laugh and thinks it's hilarious because the wall hasn't hit them.
Post wall women, depending on your level of acquaintance, will also acknowledge this. I have explicitly said to 30+ women that they need to start worrying about their 'eye bags' and they get it, and laugh.
Why the hell do female comedians joke about this all the time and it slays women?
Five_Decades 8y ago
This deserves another post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gfxjAaZg0
TheThingsIThink 8y ago
forgive me a cruel chuckle ^Just ^the ^beginning
CornyHoosier 8y ago
Interestingly, I can comprehend her depression.
Back in my beta days I was heavily overweight, had no confidence with women and got walked on all the time. I would literally look at myself in the mirror and think about how horrible of a person I was.
The absolute hardest step anyone can take in getting better is to admit to themselves that they messed up. It seems like such a minor thing, but it really isn't. People don't want to believe that the life they've invested in for themselves may have been a bad bet. However, once I admitted to myself that what I had done and what I was doing was wrong, I became more open to accepting new information.
This woman clearly needs some alone time and needs to come to grips with the fact that the way she perceives the world isn't right because it isn't working. There are plenty of good guys out there in their 30's who would love to date a nice, intelligent and worthwhile woman. If she isn't attracting any good men then evidently these are traits she simply doesn't posses.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
That was likely her problem all along.
There are 15 good years to be a woman: from 15 or so, when guys start to notice them, to 30 and their arrival at The Wall. Far too many women in the modern West don't get it that the Gravy Train of Hotness doesn't go on forever until they get dropped off at "Wall Station" at the End of the Line.
She likely had her chances but wasted them b/c she was too deluded to see what was coming, and always wanted the Bigger, Better Deal. I don't have any contempt for her, really; I can't even be bothered to muster any pity. She's just one of the Legion of the Post Wall. Still bitter, still angry, and still invisible to the men they FEEL they "Deserve".
"Gather ye rosebuds while ye may...."
Rathadin 8y ago
The entire poem is a huge Red Pill to the women of his age...
To the Virgins, to make much of Time
GATHER ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying.
The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
The higher he 's a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
And nearer he 's to setting.
That age is best which is the first,
When youth and blood are warmer;
But being spent, the worse, and worst
Times still succeed the former.
Then be not coy, but use your time,
And while ye may, go marry:
For having lost but once your prime,
You may for ever tarry.
notevenatthestart 8y ago
Heh. Herrick was writing when there was no need for the red pill, not as we know it now. He was reminding his reader of something that he or she already knew well. In those days, fundamental truths about the nature of men and women were considered just that, fundamental truths. Not that the early 1600s would have been particularly nice to live in, mind you, but one feature of that grim reality was a more realistic view on how men and women should behave.
Teatach 8y ago
She used to be in the market for the "top 20%" of men. But now she understands that the remaining men in "top 20%" are only users, so she has to lower her standards to meet the other 80% of men, aka losers?
Five_Decades 8y ago
A woman's #1 priority is securing high quality genetic material for her offspring. Her #2 priority is ensuring resources to raise the child.
AF/BB, but AF will always come first. A high quality child without resources to raise him/her is better for the woman's genetic lineage than large amounts of resources for a low quality child.
Swoledinger 8y ago
It's like giving a Porsche to a 15 year old. No one is that suprised when they wrap it around a tree.
Dishmayhem 8y ago
and they feel entitled to a new one
BallisticTherapy 8y ago
My ex hit the wall hard from a life of heavy drinking and commented that she wished she could just start life all over again, so your comment is extremely accurate.
DarthExero 8y ago
The ones that really strike me as strange are the 31 year old women who post the line on their OkCupid "You think you can keep up with me". They have hit the wall and then expect dudes to engage them as some sort of challenge. Or the ones who are even far older saying things like "Its my way or the highway". Nah lady. Its the highway and people don't even see you hitch hiking.
MajorStyles 8y ago
I love when their ship is sinking.
LuvBeer 8y ago
"loser"=not 6'2" or over, six pack, and C-suite job
"user"=less wealthy than her
"abuser"=argues back
Dishmayhem 8y ago
I figured 'user' meant alcoholic/addict
LuvBeer 8y ago
Quite possible, though often the biggest alcoholics are in relationships and drink to forget their misery.
exit_sandman 8y ago
I figured 'user' meant "pumps & dumps me"
dainethemain 8y ago
"User" in this context is anyone who p&d's her, because after a decade or two on the cc she deserves someone to settle down with
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MrJugsMcBulge 8y ago
I have a feeling that, if this woman had found a partner, she'd probably be posting the exact same thing, except swap out "dog and cat" for "husband and child". Sounds like she's just screwed up mentally.
michael_wilkins 8y ago
While funny I do admire the dedication of one person creeping on someone's disqus profile.
Lesson learned:
Don't post shit on the internet regularly because someone will creep on you. Especially if you've been tarred with the soggy knees brush.
iiMSouperman 8y ago
""Knowing that my dog and cat need me is what keeps me from offing myself, too, but it’s less of an “I can’t give up!” feeling and more like, “I am trapped.” Once they’re dead I’ll be free to die, too.""
lmao this is so good. So dark, holy shit why doesn't she change it? Madness.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
I feel really bad for these women, because they all treated me so well throughout their 20's when they had the SMV advantage and I didn't. /s
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Five_Decades 8y ago
Who wouldn't want to marry a wallet and a free babysitter? Especially when her options narrow down to nothing.
gigitygigitygoo 8y ago
I just recently started dating younger women after realizing what a wasteland those in their 30's are. The difference in their attitudes is incredible and can't believe I wasted as much time as I did dating women my age, early 30's.
I took one out who was a 35 year old bartender. Looked great and we hit it off but she wasn't about fucking unless their was a relationship involved. She's holding on to the pussy now. I'm seeing one girl now, mid 20's who just comes over to fuck. She doesn't care about a relationship because she hasn't hit the wall and knows she has plenty of time. They're polar opposites.
FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
I found TRP in Spring 2015 by accident after a stint on PoF left me thinking "What the fuck is this shit?" My target age range (28-37) was so hilariously wrong and left me with the exact conclusion you just mentioned - wasteland. After reading the sidebar & top posts I realized everything posted here was completely in line with my experiences. The pill was very easy for me to swallow.
PoF turned me off online dating entirely (even Tinder), but in real life now I pay no attention to women over the (apparent) age of 25. There is simply no joy in their lives and I don't want their bitter drama & biological clock to drag me down.
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
Seriously, 90% of my motivation to build my SMV comes from thinking I'll be able to turn the tables back one day
Kathulos 8y ago
'Living well is the best revenge.'
George Herbert
Dishmayhem 8y ago
as a 37 yr old man who has turned the tables, it is worth the effort
marplaneit 8y ago
Well I turned tables at 19 with some girls that rejected me in highschool, and I rejected them back a few weeks a go... It felt awesome, at 37 you must living heaven regarding that.
I feel no simphaty. I am a hardcore self-improvement guy, in med school. I have the nerdy virgin Friends, that get rejected even by the most gross girl in our school (med school).
In my year there are about 350 woman, and 100 guys. If you combine around the 15 top guys, they have had sex with around 100 girls. My best friend, who is alpha, and has a massive SMV, he screwed alone around 10-15 girls from the school.
All these girls crying for just 1 text from this guy, but won't even look in the direction of a 6-5 dude, with a great future ahead.
PedroIsWatching 8y ago
I've been there, and this sort of revenge thinking isn't healthy or sustainable. You really do have to do it for you and you alone.
whispernovember 8y ago
I've accomplished lifetimes of success off a revenge play. Whatever works to get you off your ass.
Eventually it will be from within but if you have the energy to redirect to something productive, have at it.
The internal strength to simply let your conscious mind drive the body is not something most people have from day 1.
For most people, the body drives them and they have minor input on the direction.
Eventually you forge the iron will to act on your own accord.
But your own emotions are powerful, use them to your advantage to direct toward progress.
J_AsapGem 8y ago
Yes dude, this a million times, don't listen to anyone that tells you revenge thinking isn't healthy blah blah, use it as motivation when you realize how awesome you've gotten you won't give a shit anymore.
BudapestPUA 8y ago
It's good in the beginning of your journey but if it doesn't fade slowly trough the years you missed something.
J_AsapGem 8y ago
understandable, but when u make it so far in life getting that revenge just won't satisfy you, so that's why you won't care anymore.
long-lostfriend 8y ago
I am a 40+ guy married to a 26-year-old. My ex-wife is my age and divorce raped me as best she could. She is alone now.
While there is no sympathy from me toward her lot in life, I don't live my life to get revenge on her or any other woman who rejected me. I am happy with my successes on their own merits. I don't need to feel anything toward my ex other than indifference
CaiusOctavius 8y ago
You got divorce raped, married another girl, and you think your ex is the chump in this situation?
Even with tight game, marrying is a stupid decision. But remarrying after you got divorce raped is just beyond me.
long-lostfriend 8y ago
I understand the rationale of the anti-marriage camp here. I just don't share that absolutist POV. I know the risks of Marriage 2.0, and, post-Red Pill, I went into the whole thing with eyes wide open. Not only did I vet and choose better, but I have done my part to insulate myself against a repeat of what happened the first time around.
My ex isn't a chump. She just over-estimated the prospects she had if she were to cut me loose (she had the usual "cheerleaders" encouraging her, of course). My point is that she is deeply resentful, not only in that she didn't succeed in ruining me utterly, but that I now have a pretty, pleasant, respectful wife who happens to be twenty years younger than her. I didn't do that to "get back at her," though. I did it for myself.
verify_account 8y ago
We're not a camp. Marriage is not red pill. You're free to make gamble your life away, but don't expect us to cheer you on for it.
always-be-closing 8y ago
Everything's a gamble.
He probably wants to have children, and there's very little you can do not to be married, and still successfully raise children.
Legally speaking, it's just a terrible idea to get married, but, it's generally risky to try and start your own business, too.
long-lostfriend 8y ago
I don't recall asking for any cheerleaders, dude. You've weighed in, and I have given the requisite number of fucks. Moving on, now...
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Women get screwed. When society doesn't force them to be accountable adults and teaches them entitlement instead of consequences, they make stupid choices.
Then, it's like, "Wait... I thought I could make those choices and still end up with what I always thought I was entitled to. What do you mean I don't get what I want as a consequence of previous choices?" Literally, the thought process of child.
This isn't something to rejoice about or feel vindicated over. Society is screwing over these child-women who don't know any better. These women need drugs just to cope. They can't push the power button on their smartphones without seeing some photo or comment from an acquaintance and feeling suicidal.
RedPillAnonymous 8y ago
Women are fully accountable for supporting divorce rape laws, child custody laws, VAWA laws, paternity fraud laws, and all the other selfish nacissistic fuck men attitudes they display. Society is not screwing women over, it is giving them total power. They are simply wielding it incompetently like Cercie Lannister and screwing themselves over. They 100% deserve what they get.
Anderfail 8y ago
This is why I like TRP, comments like yours make me keep coming back here. We regularly discuss how feminism fucks over men in so many different ways, but we rarely discuss how feminism fucks over women just as bad. Lots of men are still in the anger phase and don't want to see it, but it's definitely true and it's something that any man in his 30s can see when he opens his eyes to the reality that is dating for single women in their 30s.
Feminism sold these women a piece of chocolate covered shit wherein they take continual licks of the good stuff until all of a sudden it's gone and they are left with the most foul tasting thing imaginable. A woman on anti-depressants is roughly equivalent to a man who has killed himself for depression (the primary difference between the two is that men have the fortitude to follow through because they want the pain to end whereas women just want a coping mechanism to feel better, which in this case is drugs).
I've seen this first hand with many women in their 30s and it's actually rather sad to see it happen. They experienced a high for 15 years and the slow downward spiral as they get more and more desperate is not pretty because there literally is no light at the end of the tunnel and no way out. They made choices in life that will forever affect them and there is not a damn thing they can do to fix it. This should tell everyone who ever sees it to make sure that you are making sound life decisions because life has a way of punishing you extensively for making bad or no decisions.
This is why women who are in their 40s and 50s who are single generally have very shrew and abrasive personalities versus women who have been married in a good relationship for 20+ years. The bitterness eventually overwhelms them and becomes the dominant trait they display to the public.
jeruka 8y ago
Please stop excusing women. She is responsible for her own decisions like an adult she is. BTW she can still acquire a relationship and sex easier than most men. It's just that she can't acquire a relationship from a guy that meets her ridiculous standards. You blame that society doesn't teach her to be an accountable adult. Yet you engage in the same rhetoric that paints her as a child not responsible for her own decisions.
CitizenSatirist 8y ago
Agreed. His whole comment blames her choices on some external force that doesn't exist. It should be shortened to "Women get screwed... When... they make stupid choices." This same sentence can be applied to any individual in any situation anywhere throughout history.
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Thornwalker_ 8y ago
Threads like yours, and the insightful discussion that you've created, are why I keep coming back to the red pill. Ya, while a lot of this sub has a lot of really low level stuff, sometimes an insightful conversation happens. I can understand both mindsets in the responses and see their perspectives.
Five_Decades 8y ago
A lot of women nowadays seem to feel they can put off marriage/family, and then when they decide they want it the perfect man is supposed to just show up with no work on the woman's part to fulfill her needs.
Then they try that strategy, and find that all the perfect men either don't exist, are already taken or can do better than the women who want them.
Then they get mad, and blame it on us. Ah gender wars, so amusing.
BhiQ 8y ago
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/why-women-lose-the-dating-game-20120421-1xdn0?2
Really loved this article on the topic.
TheThingsIThink 8y ago
Im 34 in a 200 level stat class because I'm getting my MBA from an Arts degree. The girls in class are all planning on having kids in their 30s. I red pill them gently. I tell them its my plan to have the kids as soon as I can. You want to be young when your kids are crying through the night. You want to be on your A game when you have an angsty teenager. "I sure as hell don't want to be in manopause and deal with a rebelling teenage boy. Do you want to be dealing with hot flashes and a girl that wants to party all night? Hell no. Also, this way I get to be youngish when my kids get out the house, 45-50 is great shape for guy. 65-70? I'm done. Put me in a home"
Overkillengine 8y ago
And then they end up on the dole because the same women that live a life of poor impulse control end up with less ability to support themselves as they get older and less capable every year.
And then men get screwed covering for their shit decisions via increased tax burden.
And that's why every socioeconomic model that does not enforce personal accountability will inevitably implode like a landwhale whose bones are breaking under the weight of her lard.
VisionThink 8y ago
I have an ex that has spent the past 10 years hopping from country to country riding the CC and collecting useless degrees. She recently moved back to the US and out of some misguided attempt at empathy I tried to explain the basics of personal finance/retirement savings to her. She refuses to invest because she would rather "live in the moment" and "doesn't believe in corporations." I explained this probably means she'll be working until she dies.
Overkillengine 8y ago
She just knows (at the moment) there is some chump out there willing to foot her bill. He may not be as hawt as she can get right now, but that's what closing her eyes and imagining Tatum Channing is for.
Kathulos 8y ago
There has to be a system of cultural norms and values that keeps their hypergamy in check in order to ensure their happiness. Women aren't capable of any long term thinking and have en masse rejected a society building strategy that had tradeoffs and benefits for both sexes in favor of short term tingles. To use a biblical example from a misspent youth: they think they can prodigal's son their inheritance (youth, beauty and ability to lock down a man) and have society pick up the tab. For a large part it does; subsidizing her bastard offspring, allowing her minority status for a career on easy mode, etc. Unfortunately, for women society tells her to wait until after she has squandered her youth and beauty to look for what she really wants in life: a relationship, stable marriage and to be the first mate/beloved matriarch to a husband/family. After she has all her 'achievements' on the CC out of the way and a 'career' she doesn't want, society tells her post wall ass to find a man and get married. But she gave all her best to Chad and now no one wants her.
It is hard to hold them accountable for their actions as soon as they hit puberty they receive this massive burst of attention and validation. Their hamster turns this emotional fodder into tingles and stupidly assures its solipsistic, vapid host that the source of its beloved stimuli will never run dry. Society and her peers also feed the hamster lies that it gobbles down; you are special, you deserve to realize your dreams with little effort on your end. The right man will find you. At this point women have achieved the emotional maturity of a teenager and are unlikely to progress beyond this.
Oh look Chad just texted. The hamster's wheel spins ever faster.
By the time she realizes the reality of her actual value on the SMP it is to late for her to secure the commitment of a high value male and a never ending line of Chads have wrought havoc on her pair bonding.
See gurlz feminism tots hurts ladyz 2.
Schadenfreude.
Overkillengine 8y ago
They are perfectly capable, they just have no incentive to do so when there is a ready supply of pussy blind men willing to throw themselves on a grenade to save them from their bad decisions from the moment they hit puberty onwards.
One of the best services TRP can offer society is to provide the information needed for men to stop being fucking enablers.
Kathulos 8y ago
Perhaps I should have been more specific. Women are incapable of long term thinking in regard to their SMV. Sure she can do all her homework in school and see the benefits of getting a degree in the future. Maybe even save her money for some big ticket items she wants. But she cannot plan for a day Chad won't want her. She has always been valuable and cannot or won't believe things will be different. That's why we see all the bitter post wall spinsters. That's what I meant.
[deleted] 8y ago
I am really glad someone said this. Hate the game not the player. We do not know if this was a good girl or not. People lining up to enjoy her pain and hating on her is one of the reasons this sub has a reputation for mysoginy (can't believe I just used that word). I have met nice girls who did not ride the CC, and now they have no hope of finding a desirable man as they are not above HB 5, but they are in their 30s. We should not jump to conclusions about her. As far as I can see she is accepting RP truths. The wall is not an easy thing for a nice girl to deal with. Why get off on her pain?
exit_sandman 8y ago
This. Women who feel the wall most are those average girls who were reasonably nice to look at when they were young, dolled up and in shape (timeless beauties will still be desirable later on, while girls who have always been unattractive will adapt more easily).
What is there to say? If she's not some troll, she's obviously depressed and radiates negativity.
trudatness 8y ago
Except well if they are a Jezebel type of women then you can safely guess what kind of attitude and lifestyle they had.
Here's a clue: This girl was probably NOT a good girl.
I know one "good girl" who is in her late 30s and is single, no kids and never been married. Not the prettiest girl ever, but cute enough that a husband would probably enjoy fucking her long term - especially knowing the kind of girl she is.
This girl is as close as you can get to a unicorn - sweet, smart, a giver - the kind of girl that would work a job, keep a decently clean house, cook meals and suck dick enthusiastically on a regular basis. We're talking really good first mate material.
Girls like her usually end up married and the men they marry are doing OK.
So why isn't she married and making some guy happy?
She had health problems - cancer and such in her early 20s and had a hysterectomy. She can't have kids and no guy has ever really wanted to get serious with her because of that.
See a girl like that I have empathy for.
These Jezebel turds are just getting their full ride on the karma train.
As far as this sub is concerned and the accusations of misogyny we get... Yeah there are some things said on here occasionally that are over the top - but that's just a product of guys venting over all the true shit they do have to deal with. TRP discusses the darker side of female psychology most everyone else is scared shitless to explore.
When it comes with sexual strategy and life strategy overall, you can't have a plastic, irrational, pollyanna ideal of women and expect to experience success. You have to know what is real - and that starts with how self interest actually manifests in women.
Look at the mess the woman OP is referring to is. Really, how do you deal with that? Being naive and navigating romance with someone like that is hazardous. Unfortunately, there is an entire generation of women out there like that. We have to tell it like it is.
drallcom3 8y ago
I know more than one girl in a similar position, but with perfect health. The thing is just that everyone told them that a career, education and independence is important and no one told them that being pretty and feminine attracts the men. Yes, they're all from liberal arts and humanities, like teachers (Europe). It's kind of sad to see them irreversibly unhappy because of a lie.
danxmason 8y ago
What? A Unicorn who can't have kids?? Where do I sign up for that?
trudatness 8y ago
Reminder she's like 37 or 38 with health problems.
But yeah come to the west coast of Florida, the ratio is decent here.
In Tampa, for example, any woman 27 years old or older reeks of desperation. Its a total party city - a city full of bars and approachable drunk women. By the time ladies reach the marrying age 27-30 they have been totally played out from the CC. Its hilarious how humble they get when reality starts becoming unavoidable - but at the same time they're addicted to their smartphones and the sweet sweet nectar of attention social media brings them. Such combinations of obsession, regret and desperation have created a horde of damaged sluts. Its such a fertile ground for plate spinning - who the fuck wants to deal with an aging desperate 7? There's a multitude of women 10 years younger entering serious pre-wall panic mode.
Why run down the mountain and just fuck one of the cows? Walk down and fuck them all.
If I were to suddenly become single, I would be in Tampa tomorrow throwing my nuts around like a vendor at baseball game - my bag flying in all kinds of directions.
For example, my brother is 39, single, no kids - makes about 80-90K. Lives in Tampa. He's effortlessly spinning about 4 plates right now - all late 20s. His strategy is simple - date them until they fuck shit up and then replace them.
These feminized millennial chicks suffer from hardcore cognitive dissonance - its a constant battle in their brains of what they believe and what they know. They believe the feminist bullshit - they know the red pill reality. Dating them for anything other than Mr Toad's Wild Ride is basically an exercise in futility. The secret is complete emotional detachment.
For example, my bro had one chick lined up for a potential meet with the fam tomorrow for Thanksgiving - she almost made LTR status so close - but recently did some untrustable shit and got downgraded. Whoops sorry no pumpkin pie for you - you don't get to meet the sister in laws. Bro just shrugged his shoulders and did a oh well. Right now he's in the middle of red head hot streak, he's just going with it.
Here's the thing - these girls get with a guy and spend a little QT where some shit seems like it could happen and instead of playing their cards right they either do some scandalous shit or fall for some other player's bullshit line and then end up with nothing - rinse and repeat. YAY FEMINISM!
If you're a single dude and you have total outcome independence - and properly know what your worth is - when No 1 girl fucks up the deal you don't get all heartbroken butthurt about it - you just call up one of girls 2 thru 5 and keep on trucking. The schedule of which these girls self destruct is like clockwork - highly convenient - you can set your watch to it. It's like email marketing - you're adding and subtracting to the list all the time.
With all this free milk, who the fuck cares about unicorns?
neptunesunrise 8y ago
What incentive would she have even if she could have kids? He'd only care about her because there's a potential to reproduce. That's not very loving.
trudatness 8y ago
Men get married to have families. You meet a girl who can't have kids and you know in the back of your mind the relationship has an expiration date because in the end game she simply can't give you what you are looking for in life.
What the man wants is important too you know. Loving or not, that's a part of compatibility and having aligned interests.
I've known men who married women who couldn't have kids. Mostly it ends in regret of what could have been.
Why get married if you know there will never be kids? Especially in today's listen and believe society it makes little sense for a man to marry if there is no possibility or desire for children.
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The best reason I can think of for feeling legitimately sorry for a post-wall woman is if they were in a committed relationship from 20 through to 30 (Or similar timeline) and get replaced for a younger piece of ass. That just doesn't gel with me. But if they rode the CC and now they're bitching about "where have all the good men gone", well, I find it hard to be sympathetic.
zyk0s 8y ago
I won't even feel sorry for those women. Maybe just about as sorry as I would be to hear of a person who got hit while riding a bike, but wasn't wearing a helmet.
The crux is the idea of a "committed relationship". We pretend as if it has any meaning, yet we acknowledge that for women, it means "until I find someone better". Why shouldn't it mean the same for men? A woman who enters a "committed relationship" should know that she has given her man all the power, and he's free to exercise his right to leave her at any time. She is banking on his decency to sacrifice his own options in the name of honor, niceness or some other principle. It's almost like the dual of marriage for men, but at least marriage pretends to be for life.
DarthExero 8y ago
This was more of a fear for our parents and grandparents. Millennial women don't believe they will ever be replaced by a younger woman. The dude will be in for a world of divorce hurt, especially if they have been married longer than a decade, he is remotely successful, and they have children or own any assets.
The reality is if she is hotter than 70% of women in her age group. Maintains herself +2 points, is cool as fuck, a dude would have a difficult time wanting to replace her. You very rarely find chicks who beat all that stuff.
The women I know who got replaced were mostly fairly shitty. They kept the sexy at a 1-2. They spent money like mad. They gave their dudes shit all the time. A lot of time they went 100% mommy when they should have gone like... 70% Mommy.
exit_sandman 8y ago
Yeah, I guess that's the other side of the coin. I mean, I am well aware of the constant bombardment with all these messages of how awesome career women over 30 are, how interesting, how mature, how accomplished, how little they need hand-holding yadda yadda yadda. One might get the impression they are the most desirable specimen on the planet.
What if women heard the same messages over and overa gain and actually developed the idea that no good guy would ever contemplate doing that? After all, don't forget that women tend to conflate "I love him" with "is a good guy".
abetterarsonist 8y ago
Eh, she could date a loser if it's that bad. Better than hugging a teddy bear. But first she'd have to admit that she herself is a loser.
ihavecandygetinmyvan 8y ago
Which according to her is apparently worse than killing herself.
DodgedAFew 8y ago
Loser (am. english, noun): not a tall lawyer who paid off mortgage.
abetterarsonist 8y ago
b) a man who is too old
c) a man who is too young
d) a man
e) (rare) someone who wins infrequently
DarthExero 8y ago
If these women have never had kids they can make a few adjustments to their life and can put themselves in the top 20% of single women in their mid-late 30s and they will find a guy. He may not be 6'2" male model, 250k per year executive type. But there are dudes out there willing to be her dude.
trudatness 8y ago
Yeah but she doesn't want a non-pareto guy.
She doesn't want a guy who is maturing a bit late or isn't male model hot.
She wants Mr. 6 figure salary and 6 pack abs and she's discovering that guy doesn't want her.
Of course being a drama queen and unwilling to explore a relationship with a guy who might only make $50K and doesn't have a chiseled square jaw line and thick wavy black hair - makes her sad enough to require psychotropic drugs and be suicidal.
Holy fuck what a world we live in.
exit_sandman 8y ago
I wish you were exaggerating, but I know a woman who is exactly like this (considering what she brings to the table, she's so hilariously delusional it's not even funny). Has lots of casual sex, but probably never an actual boyfriend.
She's an exception, though. Most late singles I know (not that there are that many of them) usually had their share of relationships but never managed to get one that stood the test of time.
DarthExero 8y ago
I know a chick, she is in her early 30s. She has a successful job working at a lab doing diagnostic testing (not like she is a developer or creating something). She is short, she used to be fat but now she is just a bit chubby. She probably makes $70k per year.
Holy hell. She constantly complains how the dudes around her don't make enough money. Even though she is a lonely cat herder. Even though she owns her own home. Her minimum requirement for her companionship is that you make significantly more than she does. She figures the guys that go after her are losers and "most guys make over $100k per year". Just to show you that the bottom 90% of men are invisible to women, even women in the bottom half.
I brought it up with her and her response was "I expect to travel the world with my mate and I don't expect to pay for ANY of their costs"
Bitch. Any dude who is rich enough to go on a three week vacation to Italy can do a million times better than you. What would you rather do? Take a 9-10 to Italy where she will go topless on the beach but require you to pay her ticket or take a 4 to the Italy where you don't have to pay her way?
Lsegundo 8y ago
I guess because its logical women can't understand it?
No man is going to pay 100% to travel with a chubby 30 something woman. If you're paying there are plenty of 9/10 20 somethings to pick from.
FeeFeeFeaster 8y ago
Fuck Italy, I wouldn't take a 4 to dinner. This girl's out of her mind if she thinks I'll be seen out of the house with her.
verify_account 8y ago
It's quite sad. How many posts do you see of guys upset because that HB10 model won't fuck them? A lot of us are happy to spin some HB6 plates and focus on our hobbies.
trudatness 8y ago
The fun zone is not that bad of a place to be in.
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xray777 8y ago
I'm gonna agree with you, Archwinger.
In about ten years I suspect the emergent social issue will be the devastating sorrow that all these current "I don't need no man and want no kids" women will feel.
The MILLIONS of women crying themselves to sleep every single night absolutely grieving for the children they never had, the husbands they never married, and the family members whose funerals they are now attending.
I got fucked over in my 20's by women same as the rest of us, but my "pain" is NOTHING like what these women are in for and some are now starting to experience.
I feel like its appropriate to take a second from the "Fuck yeah, we won in the end" circlejerk and take a second to reflect on the abject cruelty that Feminism has bought into the world. For women.
Gentleman, possibly only war has the ability to make a man feel the kind of gut-wrenching anguish that will be be visited upon the millions of women headed for decades of complete and utter loneliness and loss of gut-level purpose. Barren wombs, empty beds, "friends" long gone, and their family dying. Guys, these women are headed for an actual Hell.
At least a man's basic purpose is what he accomplishes and that doesn't go away, even if people do. Women are social creatures and their entire existence is wrapped up in people. People they won't have in their lives with no ability to ever get back because society lied to them same as they lied to us.
Only their punishment is far, far worse and there is no salvation from it. There is no Red Pill for a 60 year old spinster with 2-3 decades of utter loneliness ahead of her.
VodkaTankerSpill 8y ago
No fucking mercy. They made their bed and now they lay in it.
[deleted] 8y ago
Sure, women get screwed.. but I don't agree with giving them sympathy. Nor is there a "fuck yeah." We simply play the game.
OP reads like the girl is experiencing self enlightening thoughts, and any long time reader know that for some reason, self awareness does not last for women, they will rationalise anything in their favour.
There simply will not be millions of women grieving. Their logical capacity isn't there for them to see the shit feminism is putting them in, because if they did, feminism would be well towards the end of it's demise by now.
Time and again I am seeing spinster bitches, complete female nightmares getting married in their 30s - 40s. By deduction, that means any women such as that in OPs post, can probably get hitched - perhaps not to an alpha male, but the spectrum of men out there can surely suffice.
Will one or two girls like this self actualise too late? Perhaps, but sympathy is not what they need.
If I hit 70 and realised I had ruined myself from being a whipped beta, perhaps I could not redeem myself and get my night game on. But I can still bring out what masculinity I am able to muster, and pass on a potential legacy to enlighten someone who may have fallen to the same trap.
xkcd_puppy 8y ago
And then they will pass a law forcing men to marry those humps and support them and their man-rape offspring. Watch and see how the hamster-wheel will be forced to spin at light speed on all levels of the government.
Pfoenix 8y ago
I wouldn't compare it to the hell of war. I'd say it's between the agony of young, lonely men and fathers who were robbed of their assets and alienated from their children. I have absolutely no sympathy for spinsters. Even more so since it's mostly their own fault.
TRPhd 8y ago
Nah, the solution is right in front of them. Just settle for the guy they can get instead of the guy they want. If they are lonely and miserable because they "deserve better", then that is their own fault. Reproductive technologies are letting 40 y.o. women have babies; if she can't get her shit together and settle by then, then she should not be shitting out a cunt-puppy at all.
redzorp 8y ago
But you know what? They still deserve it. And though your observations are cogent, there is still a whiff of white-knighting about it.
I say the mass-pain about to be experienced by western women is absolutely necessary. It's like lancing a collective boil or maybe society-wide chemotherapy (pick your metaphor). Only through that massive pain will any future change be possible.
Women essentially need to choke to death on feminism before there is any chance of the pendulum swinging back to normalcy. So while we don't have to revel in their pain, we don't have to feel all that sorry for them either.
xray777 8y ago
I don't disagree. No white-knighting here, just a sense of "goddamn..." for the hell they are going to experience. We are men, but still humans. We can appreciate when some of us are about to go through some real shit.
jimmybda3 8y ago
The sad thing is that our sympathy will do no good. Only the shiv (or the sound of a sharpening lance) of repeated truths can help at all.
fitnesstested 8y ago
I'm sorry man I respectfully disagree.
Do you think one of these women would have given a second thought to the silent suffering of all the good men they left behind in their 20s?
They made their beds and they are going to have to lie in them. Life isn't fair.
I'm not going to shed one tear for anyone of the women who didn't have sense enough to give younger versions of myself or any of the other awesome guys I know the time of day.
As a matter of fact I'm going to enjoy every moment of watching them wither away with their cats and using them as cautionary tales for any of my future daughters.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
I agree that they brought this on themselves ... but humanity is symbiotic. What happens to one of us means that the other isn't too far behind.
benczi 8y ago
I have a real bad feeling about this.
Having a generation of bitter old women. Bitter old women who are in power. Bitter old women who are in power and bitter old men, who used to be white-knights. And a small portion of the male population laughing at them, and finding joy in their misery. The bad feeling I have is that the hamster will spin the story so that it's all our fault, because it always is, and since we're enjoying their demise, we're proving them right. Because if it wasn't our male privileged cis fault, we would be as miserable as them. So being in absolute power, they will make sure that we suffer just as much as they do, even more, just to make them feel better. Just a feeling I have.
princeanus 8y ago
Well we haven't seen a limit to the almighty hamster yet so you could be right.
Androsynth2 8y ago
There's also the possibility that the situation is being overstated in this thread, right? I mean here one woman admits the truth (sorta), and now 8 posts deep we're talking about how the sexpocalypse is finally here for all women over 30. Reddit has a tendency to tease out a basic idea through to its most extreme conclusion.
As amusing as it is to watch this one girl slam face first into the wall, life does continue for women after 30. I mean hell, my mother was 67 when she found her current boyfriend, three years later they're both perfectly happy.
TheJollySatan 8y ago
The reaction of old spinsters attempting to applying control to the masculine parts of society would be extreme. Hell, it's already started and the world is no where near that point.
A fair chunk of the male population would just go tribal on a crumbling society and tell it to go fuck itself.
I for one hope any such resets are more gentle.
WolfenSatyr 8y ago
Welcome to the theatre, my fine gentlemen.
This, this right here is the sole reason to live. This is why we are hated. This is why every pet store has a half dozen cats prepped and ready to go.
Yes, as I sit back with scotch in one hand and cigar in the other I think about what it must be like for these women. A part of me does want to ease their suffering, tell them that it's alright. The rest of me remembers how a younger me was rewarded for his efforts to defend and suppport these women. A pull on the cigar and a sip from my glass washes away those foolish thoughts.
Reap what you sow. My fields are no longer barren. The warmth of my hearth is for me and me alone.
Edit: Spelling
NaughtyFred 8y ago
I completely get this sentiment. My 20's (and early 30's too) were a textbook example of how shit a beta will get treated by women.
Everything from the point I discovered TRP until the day I die is for me and whoever is coming along for my ride. While I can intellectually assess "things are pretty shit for women like in OPs' post", I have for them when they need it what they had for me when I needed it...nothing.
Edit: Realized after writing this that I've moved past the anger phase, if I'd wrote this 2 months ago it would have been from a "Haha, fuck you" perspective. However today it is from an "it is what it is" viewpoint.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
Lone wolfin' it. How old are you mate? I'm 30 and my mentality is quickly shifting this route.
I'm not having any children, I have no legacy to leave behind, I'm the last male of my name & I tried to help before and was cast away. Why should I care what happens to these people who have figuratively and literally fought for the empty beds they now sleep in.
WolfenSatyr 8y ago
44, with one 15yr old son that I share custody.
The only thing that I dwell on is making sure that my boy has enough red pill to counteract the crazy his mom unleashes and that he has the means to survive on his own when the porta-john hits the jet turbine.
Beyond that, I have no more fucks to give.
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Locastor 8y ago
The key to being that age and nailing Hamsters in their 30s is to stay young via lifting.
fit_to_fight 8y ago
I can attest to that. Bang on
Joseph_the_Carpenter 8y ago
Keep in mind this guy is on roids big time to keep that much lean body mass (testosterone for sure, maybe HGH to keep that youthful look?). Not that it isn't impressive and what I'll probably be doing; I aspire to be the cool jacked grandpa to my grandkids.
Even if you don't roid you can look really good and stay young even in old age with exercise and especially lifting.
Uptonogood 8y ago
The part showing the dude was cool as hell. Then there was this idiot neckbeard doing jelly comments till the end.
Locastor 8y ago
This is an important filter to develop in modern life because envious haters are all over the place.
RedPillSpookyGhost 8y ago
i have no compassion for women. women vouched for feminism and divorce laws. men will not marry them anymore. they were warned too.
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Stories_of_Red 8y ago
Wow, that is pretty bleak take on the whole wall concept. While it is true that women typically are their hottest at 18-24, it is not like they have to abandon all hope at their 29th birthday. Hit the gym, eat right, get your sleep, avoid drugs and booze, stay employed, etc., and a gal can be reasonably attractive well into her 40s, assuming her genetics are not crap. Fail to do those things and welcome to America's obese nation.
Just another example, I think, of how women don't understand in full what they are gifted at about age 15 and how to carefully caretake such a gift. But yeah, if you keep thinking you can binge eat pizza, smoke, party all night and run up credit card debt, and your 30s will be like your 20s....woman, do I have news for you.
exit_sandman 8y ago
The problem is more that a wall-woman like the one in the OP has failed to make a timed transition to "permanent LTR-mode". The sooner you make it, the easier it is.
If you try to find Mr. Right when you're basically just a more boring and usually also less attractive version of who you were in your 20s, but expect a guy who is willing to tie the knot and have kids with you within the year (i.e. skip the lighthearted "let's get to know each other and have fun for a few years"-period), I can see why dating is terrible if you were used to things being smooth and fun.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Her expectations have not adjusted to her reality. Hence, the problem.
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slay_it_forward 8y ago
Well into her 40s? Common man. Women take a sharp decline after 35, which happens to coincide with a sharp decline in fertility. Coincidence? I think not. I can't remember the last time I saw a 40 + woman and was turned on.
Marsupian 8y ago
A women this bleak is probably already overweight and too emotional to break the cycle.
A large portion of young women is only after comfort and validation. Thousands of basic bitches who spent all their time on their phone or watching Netflix in bed with their favourite snacks. Absolutely disgusting behavior.
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randarrow 8y ago
OK, I'll give. Repair emotional damage by working out?
citizenkane66 8y ago
Guys - something you should know about this poster:
So it's more than just post-wall. She is literally a hambeast.
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Teatach 8y ago
My old beta self would be so offended by this. I used to think that I was a really good guy. I had several "good" relationships which lasted more than 2-4 years. Whenever the "marriage" came up, I simply felt I was "too young" and ended up escaping their claws by traveling to new countries without them.
I lost total interest in women for for a while, and I'm in my early 30's now. Recently picked up the game again, and yes I did feel like a loser on my first dates. Going up against experienced ladies (no matter how ugly or pretty) who has been riding the CC since they hit puberty. Experienced player vs someone who hasn't touched the game in ages, guess the outcome.
Fact is, there are a lot of good guys out there who have "good potential" and whom are single. But unless you're like Chad, women will not be interested and you'll only risk ending up abused in all kinds of ways.
TheThingsIThink 8y ago
You don't attract women by being compatible or attractive. You attract them by Game. If your MTGOW or LTRed you get skills that are important, but don't relate to the building attraction part of the game.
Five_Decades 8y ago
That isn't true. A man with a high SMV (amazing looks, power, status, wealth) doesn't need game to attract or screw women. The women will throw themselves at him and his lack of game will be spun as a good thing by these women. That doesn't mean they won't manipulate him, use him or take advantage of him. But they will throw themselves at him and screw him with little effort on his part.
Game is good for men who are attractive enough to kindof be on a woman's radar, but not good enough that the women throw themselves at his feet.
slay_it_forward 8y ago
A guy can be high SMV but still beta. Think Zuckerberg. If beta behavior runs strong for long enough the tingles will dry up, at which point she'll be going for mass wealth extraction.
TheThingsIThink 8y ago
That is his game. But I think we all have seen a woman approach a guy to see him snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
DarthExero 8y ago
These poor women. I can actually empathize with them. Because when I was 13-26 I was more or less in an identical place. I know what it is like for everyone you are interested in to think you are beneath them. I know what its like ladies, and I experienced it from you.
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dat_honkey 8y ago
Let me taste those tears...mmmmm so delicious!
caviarpropulsion 8y ago
The real question here is what are you doing reading Jezebel?
MCgrandRoyal 8y ago
Extremely red-pill article, followed by an extremely red-pill featured comment.
cmkinusn 8y ago
You can't survive on just the meat, you gotta eat the whole plate even if it doesn't taste good. He reads jezebel so he can understand the state of mind of women. Red pill truths are positively abundant on feminist boards.
caviarpropulsion 8y ago
Jezebel is not veggies, it's just trash and a waste of time at best, source of circlejerk-y self-aggrandizing at worst. We aren't talking about subatomic physics here...
cmkinusn 8y ago
so, looking to the source for proof of the red pill and to see how they hamster it away isn't valuable? I find it pretty interesting to see them constantly confirm what the red pill advocates while also proving the decline of humanity in their own attitudes and refusal to accept responsibility.
caviarpropulsion 8y ago
Sure, it's valuable. Just not day in and day out. I'd prefer more focused self-improvement content than swarms of posts that amount to nothing more than "haha awalt," "never get married!," "hamsters gon' hamster"
That's just me though.
cmkinusn 8y ago
I fully agree, but a lot of self-improvement is hurry up and wait. ex. I already did all the research for working out, and now I have a schedule I will be following for the next two years. Any further research will likely be at the same time I am working out. Otherwise...i'm done. What next?
Same applies to a lot of things. I fill my day to the brim as much as I can afford to, and I still have about 2 hours left each day where I simply don't have the willpower to pack more in. It's at those times you will find people like the OP on Jezebel, seeing what the hell is going on inside those hamster wheels.
UA_Hammer 8y ago
Despite the tale of woe, she still refuses to budge her standards and would rather stick it out with her cats. Hilarious.
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Any single woman aged 25+ that says they don't want kids is a damn liar. It's programmed into their biology to be mothers, that's science bitch.
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IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
Kiiiinda feels like "Revenge of the Nerds." This thread.
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Hahaha this chick is like the Bel Biv Devoe CD mixed in with the Mexican cds in that big bin of $3.99 CDS in the middle of the isle at Kmart.
Cyralea 8y ago
It doesn't always play out like this, especially with hotter women that can still snag an upper beta while in their early 30's. When it does happen it's like watching an impending train collision in slow motion. You can always tell which chicks will drop below the commitment threshold once they hit the wall.
You want to feel bad for these chicks because you know they're proper fucked now that there's almost nothing they can do to salvage their lost SMV, but then you remember that they had a literal decade to get their shit together and now they have to sleep in the bed they made.
Life as a man is pretty awesome. You can always do something to raise your SMV.
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Hey, she get's it! Probably not to her benefit to realize this late in life - that would be severely depressing. Probably why most women just put their hands over there ears and say "Lalala I can't hear you!"
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cholomite 8y ago
Feminism lies to men by telling us that being nice and supportive will get us the girl of our dreams.
Feminism lies to women by telling them they are entitled to a great guy, and to never settle for less.
The only people who seem to be gaining anything from the rise in feminism are natural alphas. I feel like it makes sense though, every woman's natural and innate desire is to do everything she can to please an alpha male. It seems like the female gender has banded together to achieve this goal.
johnchapel 8y ago
Can I make a small addendum? I made a post about this a few months ago. I would explicitly submit that the only people who gain anything from the rise of feminism are everyone EXCEPT feminists. This includes the self-identifying male feminists as well.
A morally bankrupt movement hurts only those that buy into it, as the remainder see it for what it is. Which both sets the rest of us as the intellectually and socially superior, and serves as a litmus test to weed out people we really don't want any part of.
Five_Decades 8y ago
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wk0vJV6OqeQ/TjujkDkBmnI/AAAAAAAABO4/PditaoNOHVE/s320/AfterSR.jpg
The sexual revolution made dating/mating miserable for everyone but the top 10% of men. Everyone else is worse off.
80-90% of men are largely locked out of the dating market while women chase high quality men who have too many options to commit, and the women end up unhappy because they can't get a relationship with a guy out of their league. And when those women hit the wall and all of a sudden the guys they ignored and laughed at in their 20s are 'good enough' post wall, the guys know it is a raw deal and many opt out (hence why forums like TRP are so popular, this place is full of men who know we are being given a shit sandwich and told to think it is chocolate).
And top women are depressed because men who used to be their equals are now too busy banging tons of 7s and 8s to commit to a 9 or 10.
Sadly though this is how natural selection works. The most genetically adept minority of men do most of the mating. That is how a species adapts to environmental threats. It sucks, but this is the natural state of a fast evolving species facing a population surplus (species with population deficits or who do not evolve rapidly have less fussy requirements from females).
gr0gnerd 8y ago
Most women nowadays can get a damn good guy if they make it a serious goal to get married by 23, and take the basic steps needed towards that goal: Don't get fat, take care of your skin, keep your N count low, act feminine, look for guys who will commit.
(Of course, if every woman did that, most of them would end up with average guys, just as they did through all of human history before about 50 years ago)
Hoodwink 8y ago
Sometimes, I think feminism is, in a small part, a strategy to sabotage other women. "Body acceptance", "slut walks", and thinking that cunty behavior is empowering. It's like a deliberate sabotage of the competition.
cariboo_j 8y ago
Da fuq did you do to earn it?
You think men should be lining up to give you safety and security... why?
Five_Decades 8y ago
Because she showed up and asked for it. Men are viewed as expendable/replaceable resources to be mined (financial, genetic, social, etc) to many women the way they'd view a car or a bank account.
In fact many women who have all these long checklists just want a guy who they can show off to their friends. The guy himself isn't that important.
OpenPacket 8y ago
I'd bet she had a dozen guys offering her safety, security and comittment. They just weren't hot/rich enough.
fit_to_fight 8y ago
I feel no sympathy for this woman whatsoever. At 49 I've been passed over for the younger, hotter bad boy loser many times. I get it, I don't fault the guys. But I did discover RP a while back and it motivated me to make the necessary changes. Hitting the gym and eating well has put me in the top 10% of guys my age because the overwhelming majority are fat fucks. Now, I date in the 35-40 range and have no problem picking up attractive women and I'm content in the knowledge that I can trade them out for an equal replacement with little trouble if they pull any shit with me. Feminism has ruined women but it's paying dividends in my age bracket.
Keninishna 8y ago
Naw, this girl has depression and is very narrow minded. I would and have dated 30 year olds. (granted I am 31 myself) I would marry some of them as well if it weren't for my redpill mentality.
trudatness 8y ago
The only hope for this woman is to hit the gym hard and get a super hot body - then men will start paying attention again - but her window is like 2-3 years tops for her to meet a guy, get married and have a kid. Well, unless she shortcuts and just gets oopsie pregnant with the best possible guy she can get into bed. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Women who take very good care of themselves and stay hot longer will fend off the wall for a few more years.
Some women hit the wall at 29 and others at 34. If a woman is beautiful men will want them.
At 35, well.... Very few women are still smoke shows beyond 35. And the ones that are smoke shows at 36-38 years old - the men they are attracting are probably not going to want kids. Only hope for a woman 35-40 to make the family dream happen is for them to be that hot and meet a guy 42-45 who is finally ready to settle down. But really what are the chances of that happening? Slim and none.
Also... Who wants to be 60 years old when their kid graduates high school? Then what? Be a grandparent at 70?
There are times when I see how sad it makes women when they follow this feminist mantra of careerism over everything else. They end up alone or like this woman said - sifting through the leftover detritus of eligible men who might want them.
A few of them get lucky and find a late bloomer type of guy - maybe a guy who was kind of a loser and then found himself in his 30s and got his life on track. It happens, but fuck that's some kind of long shot to bet your life on and there always is lingering baggage - like a batshit ex-wife, a criminal record, alcoholism, credit issues, etc... Best hope for these women is hope they get lucky and find a good fixer upper type of guy.
I read shit like this and I start feeling bad for these women. They've been bamboozled basically by clickbait journos and professional activists. But then I realize how cunty and nasty these women were since fucking ever and that cures me of whatever empathy I was starting to have.
I mean for real...? Bitches from Jezebel say every man who is against affirmative action practices and/or wants equal access to his kids is a white supremacist misogynist. As if wanting a mostly merit based society and not have your heart broken because you miss your children makes you a bad person. Seriously fuck them. They bought into these lies and now they are paying the price. They all think they will get the soft landing beta bux hubby, and some of them do - the smart ones who dramatically switch lifestyles at 28-29, but the ones who believe the hype and think they can do it easily at 33 miss their window. Then the tears flow and the prozac scripts get filled.
Really, this isn't about schadenfreude. Its just reality. Life is about choices and consequences. You make your choices and you get your consequences.
T0000009 8y ago
ABSOLUTE ZERO because those guys have been burned so bad for so long they are really leery of females. Plus, those guys are not Brad Pitt with a zillion dollars, so what was once a target rich environment is now just a wasteland.
LMAO... No.. Really.... LMAO.... Bitches don't "fix men" they sit around like vultures trying to swoop in for the easy take, and we all know they never marry down so once those degenerate garage band rockers, dope dealers, and convicts are done with them they are to worn out and used up to get a decent guy.
trudatness 8y ago
There are men out there that get into their early 40s and decide they want to settle down. But those dudes generally are looking for women 27-30 years old. I know the ideal appears to be 25, but a 20 year difference in age is tough to overcome. 25 year old women are dumbasses and beyond a POA they aren't much for friendship and partnership. Plus, the greater the age difference - the more likely they're going to fuck around. If you're 43-44 and you meet a hot 30 year old you're thinking she's close enough on your level in life experience to maybe have similar interests. 25 year olds are a mess in comparison - totally untrustable carousel riding gold digging whores mostly. I know a few guys in their 40s who married 25 year olds. They all got divorced within 5 years.
So if a 43 year old dude meets a hot as fuck 36 year old who lives a stable life, has a job and has been humbled enough to know this is basically her last chance it could potentially be a good situation for dude.
Then again those are a shitload of stars aligning. Most single people 35-45 have baggage - previous marriages and kids and whatever else. Finding two single people that age with stable lives and who are decent human beings with no baby-daddy-mama-drama is rare. But we're just talking about potential scenarios here.
Also...
Not saying women are going to fix the man. The man has to fix himself. I have seen situations where a woman meets a guy who is in the process of fixing himself and she recognizes he's on an upward trend. She's willing to get into the deal because he's got potential. That P word - you better believe women make early investments into men planning on an eventual payoff - that shit happens all the time. For women over 30 the struggle is real lol.
They call the guy a fixer upper, but really all they are doing is being supportive and take on some of the financial responsibility until he can fully take over the reigns. It's the fucking truth though if that payoff doesn't come like they think it should - they pull the rip cord and abandon ship like a motherfucker.
T0000009 8y ago
Thank's for the clarification, I'm on board with your premise over all, but that's the whole problem for the general population. Those stars lining up just right...
Solid points though, a little wishful thinking aint so bad really. I wouldn't touch a 25 yo chick, way to stupid for me to tolerate, I have enough trouble already shifting gears down low enough to deal with the mid 30ish broads and while my own preference is that age range, those dames are fucking retarded too.
I've had my share of dames let me know how much potential I have, none stuck around for long so its their loss in the long game not mine. Sadly the reality is females are simple minded vultures, they sit around waiting for a fresh meal and expect someone else to do all the work. Bitches do not work, they do not earn, they do not invest, they just take what other made and call it their own so most guys who hit 40 and start looking wont find much selection.
longerdistance 8y ago
She should get a fucking life. There's more to life then relationships for Christ's sake.
This woman clearly has nobody to hold her to a higher standard, at least men have the benefit of some societal expectations to help us grow the fuck up. Our pandering to these victimhood-olympics is killing human potential.
To any of you who are still in the anger-phase, remember this. The next time you feel like a victim or that life is unfair, embrace the pain, because that is exactly what will make you grow. Pity those who buy into their own victim-hood, they are a wasted life, they will never live to see their potential, but you will.
tio1w 8y ago
There's the thing. For her that's al, there is.
She completely lacks the ability to be an independent person. She needs to absorb personality from someone else.
I call these sponge humans.
verify_account 8y ago
That's not how females work. Don't equate them to men; they can't be happy alone like us.
teeelo 8y ago
There's this expression... Um,
'X' is like air, it's only a problem if you're not getting any.
IMHO, sex and relationships are a fundamental key step for any person to have if they are to advance to higher and more expansive levels of life and living.
Many of us are stuck emotionally and developmentally because we have not achieved certain goals by a certain age. (Take our Jezebel subject for instance)
With TRP, we can make up for lost time and improve things, however It's not impossible but unlikely that they will ever be 100% as good as they ever could be.
scarletspider3 8y ago
Some females are smart enough to know about the wall, I've had a few women tell me about it.
Hoodwink 8y ago
It used to be common knowledge, but feminist propaganda (that's what it is) really upped a lot of headlines and shows (sex and the city, etc) in the 90's and 00's. It seemed to make young women forget and believe in a new era of empowered women.
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scarletspider3 8y ago
Yea females today think they're all powerful and men were put here to serve them
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raceAround126 8y ago
To be honest, reading her words, she has increased her SMV by a good many points. If she maintains that attitude and actually treats a guy well, she has some hope.
But on average, most 30+ single women are entitled as fuck and make no bones about making sure you know it.
barmaleo 8y ago
She may talk all the right words, but still act on feelings
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How does that increase her SMV? What man wants to be with a woman who says when her pets die, she'll be "free to die too"? Depression isn't attractive at all.
whenfoom 8y ago
Capt. Save-a-Ho gets boners from distress signals.
1clownShoe 8y ago
I think what he meant was that she seems to understand the plight of the 30+ woman and is realizing that she may have to lower her standards and actually treat a guy well to keep him around. but you're right, depression is totally unattractive.
TheThingsIThink 8y ago
No, she's never going to do enough to get a man. She is going to think because she is with him he needs to pay for everything, do all the house work, and console her when her pets die one by one. She doesn't have the will to be good for him. She's not going to press his clothes (or even take them to the dry cleaner), she's not cooking for him, she's not going to toss him blowies 2-3 times a week. She's going to demand a guy that can make her climax 3-19 times per session but is going to treat sex as something that is for him.
The best she can get is a bunch of relationships than run on new relationship energy, until the guy realizes she doesn't have anything to offer but demands the world.
MuleJuiceMcQuaid 8y ago
A woman that depressed, lonely, and baby thirsty will pull every dirty move in the book to get what she wants. She literally has nothing left to lose. The first decent guy she sees she'll trap with a pregnancy like a drowning man reaching for anything to keep his head above the water.
Just look at her post, she doesn't have a plan to raise her SMV to men. She's a victim of society, eating tubs of ice cream in tears while she waits for a great guy to "man up" and save her and her cats.
A postwall woman is a wounded animal backed into a corner.
vicious_armbar 8y ago
Great point. Even women in their mid 30's can get in very good shape with a strict regimen of diet and exercise. As well as learning to lower their unrealistic standards and become more obedient, kind, feminine, caring, etc. But she doesn't raise her SMV to get what she wants. Which you would think should be a priority for her if she really wants a partner. Instead she blames everyone but herself. With that kind of behavior she'll get no sympathy from me.
exit_sandman 8y ago
This doesn't increase her SMV, though. And she doesn't seem as if she wanted to lower her standards tbh.
1clownShoe 8y ago
Yeah i think he was reading between the lines a bit. she's at very least, aware. now she just needs to figure out how to achieve happiness given her new found awareness.
Temuzjin 8y ago
How to achieve happiness given her new found awareness? Easy. Lower her standards.
Overkillengine 8y ago
Issue is it will likely be at the expense of some hapless jackass that came to the bargaining table in good faith instead of actually going to the effort of making herself as good a prospect as she reasonably can at this point.
In between rounds of throwing herself at the nearest Chad who is willing to dumpster dive in order to get female desperation fueled kinks on demand.
1clownShoe 8y ago
most likely, but at least it won't be you or me...
exit_sandman 8y ago
I wondered exactly the same.
billcosbyeatsbabies 8y ago
this is a magnificent example of a woman realizing the wall is fast approaching if not already there. however, why are you targeting a specific person? take out the woman's username in your post. this is bound to be taken as witch-hunting by some people and give us a bad name.
makethemsayayy 8y ago
eh they have a fucking database of TRP users, they might can go fuck themselves.
T0000009 8y ago
This wasn't a witch hunt?
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johnchapel 8y ago
Yeah, im gonna be honest. I don't completely agree with what she's saying. I honestly don't care about a womans age. Don't get me wrong, the best sex I've ever had was with a 26 year old, but she's also violently fucking crazy. I've banged a 45 year old that was normal, but twisted in bed.
Borsao66 8y ago
The Illusion of Urgency got her.
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0kool74 8y ago
The part that is funny about this is if they had it to do all over again knowing what they now know, the probability is high that they'd still do the same things.
tio1w 8y ago
I bet you all she won't go through with it She'll take some pill and miraculously fail.
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TheDreadPill 8y ago
What is the original article?
MCgrandRoyal 8y ago
http://jezebel.com/over-22-years-old-men-find-you-less-and-less-attractiv-1635039272?utm_expid=66866090-67.e9PWeE2DSnKObFD7vNEoqg.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
Her comment is the first.
They re-write it a year later here:
http://jezebel.com/mens-favorite-ages-are-20-21-22-and-23-a-data-dive-1731660984?utm_expid=66866090-67.e9PWeE2DSnKObFD7vNEoqg.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
Use an archive link, please
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wildchild11 8y ago
Yikes. It may be bleak, but it's not THAT bleak.