Every so often, I read a Red Pill post that goes something like: “I’ve been a total asshole toward women and treated them like utter shit for the past six months, and like magic, they can’t seem to stop fucking me. But I feel really bad about treating them this way, and empty about all the meaningless sex without more of a connection. How do you guys get over this feeling?”
The peanut gallery then launches into the typical party line explanations: It’s okay to do this because men have an inborn drive – an obligation really – to maximize their sexual outcome, and there’s nothing wrong with doing what works. And besides, this is what women are inherently attracted to, for strong evolutionary/biological reasons, so we’re just giving women what they want. Society’s just taught you wrong. So it’s okay to treat women this way and act this way and have all of this sex for lots of good reasons. Blah blah blah reasons.
We’re so quick to explain, rationalize, and spit out all of these great reasons, yet too timid to state the best reason of all: It’s okay to treat women this way because they deserve it.
When you’re camping in the woods and a wild animal enters your campsite, you shoot the animal, or at least run it off. You don’t wait to see if the animal causes any harm.
If your dog bites one of the kids in the neighborhood, you have it put down. It doesn’t matter how good of a dog or how stalwart of a companion it’s been over the years.
If a man murders someone, you execute him if your state allows it, or lock him up for ages if it doesn’t.
If a man rapes someone, you throw him in jail. You then protest and educate society and spread propaganda against all men everywhere for having the potential to be rapists. You demonize and shame masculinity and male behaviors because any man might rape you. You create a society where men can’t sit next to children on airplanes because men might molest them. You create an ad hoc system where a rape accusation is a more effective tool to ruin lives than an actual rape conviction. You engineer a culture of distrust and shame and relegate men to second-class citizens who are constantly called upon to check and censor themselves – then call them privileged.
But when treating women like an asshole, for some reason, we feel compelled to explain and justify ourselves with all of these stupid logical and quasi-science based “reasons”, when really, there’s nothing to explain. Treat women badly because they deserve it.
Women have fought long and hard for the right to no longer be honored and privileged. To have to work jobs like everybody else. To stigmatize homemaking and motherhood. To shame feminine behaviors. To normalize a level of sluttiness that would make the trashiest whores of fifty years ago blush, and make promiscuity not just an option but practically an obligation. To engineer a society where bored wives can cash out of marriages with minimum fuss and maximum gain, and cheating sluts can point a finger and ruin the lives of promising young men with just a word.
If a poisonous snake enters your campsite, you cut its fucking head off for being a snake. You don’t judge that snake on its individual merits. Women are more dangerous animals than snakes.You treat snakes like snakes. You treat women like women.
You don’t need an excuse to treat them badly, think badly of them, or fuck them and leave them. You don’t need to feel bad about this, just because they’re human like you. We treat human men badly without a second thought and rarely take the time to judge every individual man on his merits. Why give a second thought to women? Treat them the way they deserve to be treated. They’ll fuck you for it while laughing at all of the stupid losers who treat them better.
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iLLprincipLeS 8y ago
A FUCKING MEN. AMEN. ALPHA MEN. (that blew your mind harder than a 18 year old bimbo blowing your dick with her luscious lips, didn't it?)
Archangel Archwinger, kept waiting for you to try and white knight it considering your previous post. Was ready for war. What I got instead? You brought in the panzer division so we can blitzkrieg together fierce hordes of vicious pussy.
Now that's what I call The Red Pill.
KissTheBridesmaid 8y ago
Great post man! Really needed to be reminded of this. If women see even a glimpse of possible guilt, they will give it everything they've got. Fuck you, I don't owe you loyalty after one night because you begged me to fuck you.
yomalolo 8y ago
Preach on, brother.
This is an especially refreshing food for thought for those men who are still thinking of pretty women to be something higher than theirself and thus getting nervous about approaching said women... which is basically me since I've just swallowed the pill about a week ago.
Adolf_ghandi 8y ago
Go lift. Dress decent. See the change in their reaction to you. Realize they are all shallow as fuck. Threat them like they deserve it.
Prettier girls only have a higher entrance border.
TomFoo 8y ago
To the socially enslaved, amorality looks immoral.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
The outrage on Archwinger's post shows how many noobs we got on the RP train lately.
TomFoo 8y ago
Indeed. But always worth it even only a few really unplug themselves.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
Indeed. Saving those who really want to be saved.
[deleted] 8y ago
This is the fucking redpill. I didn't expect these egalitarian moralistic faggots to get so enraged at the idea of treating women like shit. Newsflash, women love it.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
Another newsflash: Betas hate it. But like the other guy said, if we get a few of them to unplug, that's a win.
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Betas hate it cause they can't get away with it & they treat bitches great but still can't get anything from chicks.
The_48_Laws 8y ago
Here's the thing..
Recognizing a thing for what it is, and then treating it appropriately, is not bad.
This is why I really love the stoic philosophy. Objectivity is a major point of the philosophy - see things for what they are.
You sit down for dinner in a luxury restaurant. When you look at the menu, do you see a premium, tender, juicy, lightly seasoned filet mignon, or do you see a piece of dead animal flesh?
And no, I'm not saying that you should be a raging cynic who can't enjoy the pointless delicacies of life. What I'm saying is to keep it in perspective.
Likewise, enjoy women, but do so knowing that while she might look like a $50 premium cut of steak to you, she's something off the dollar menu to someone else.
See a thing as it is, not as it markets itself, and then treat it as it deserves.
the_strasburger 8y ago
Thinking back to all the mini-relationships and hookups I've had this year, I gave less and less effort with each new relationship and still achieved the same outcome. At this point, I wouldn't buy a girl a 7-11 hotdog and I'd probably get laid faster for it.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 8y ago
"No matter how hot the girl is, somewhere out there there's someone who's tired of fucking her and sick her of shit."
iLLprincipLeS 8y ago
I've been treating women like sex objects all my life. Hit them, cheated them, abandoned, humiliated.. you name it. And guess what? They always come back for more. They don't give a fuck what I say or do to them as long as they think that they love me. Offer her a nice honeymoon period in the first weeks and then fuck her up, she will become dependent on you.
njjj3o2 8y ago
Some of the posters in here are just ridiculous with their hatred of women. Putting women on a pedestal is ridiculous but doing the exact opposite is just as ridiculous.
I treat everyone including women nicely until they have proven that they don't deserve that treatment.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
I don't take chances anymore
evileddy 8y ago
The amount of times some chick is leaving my house freshly fucked to return to her "boring, but stable" boyfriend made me realize that you can't treat them nicely with respect or they simply DO NOT RESPECT you. lol
So having learned that.. why would I want to spend most of my life in a long term relationship treating someone like shit.. so they don't leave?
Nah.. fuck that.
Chuckwagon1645 8y ago
It doesn't take much effort to treat women like shit in all honesty. Just act as if they're job is to keep you instead of it being your job to keep them.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I agree. Once the honeymoon phase is over you have to start deploying TRP tactics to keep them around. Why? The most enjoyable phase of the relationship is over. It's a waste of time unless you want kids sometime down the road. I have other shit I need to focus on.
You practically don't have time for a committed woman if you really want to make something of yourself and be financially independent in this day an age. Our society and economy has stacked it to where if you date and girl LTR, you can't invest enough time in your personal ventures to make an impact. It's either the girl or the personal growth. Impractically to try to do both, you'll kill yourself trying to juggle it all.
Our societal switch from 1950's male provider/female housewife to dual providers effectively destroyed the possibility of having a woman and becoming financially independent. Most people don't realize the time sink required to start up your own venture or become financially independent. Even if you are able to start out debt free it's crazy fucking work. Back 50 years ago it was perfectly possible for one man to provide for his entire family and come home to his own work or spend time with the family.
In today's age it's so highly competitive you have to dedicate yourself fully to your work or your SOL. Others will bypass you like your a fucking snail.
There is a reason all highly successful men stay unmarried till they hit their 30's or 40's. They're fucking busy and don't have time to drop on some woman.
evileddy 8y ago
It seems to me most women get a worthless degree or diploma ( gender studies, etc ) Then they fuck around until they detect that they are no longer a spring chicken attracting the Chad's.. so they set sights on a beta provider and stick with him long enough to elevate her life to his level and pump out a kid or two.. then she divorce rapes him.. she goes up in wealth and status.. he does down, usually loses the house, car, kids and ends up alone in a bare apartment after working 80 hours just to pay child support so he doesn't get put in prison for missing a payment..
That sounds like a fucking nightmare to me.
TheReformist94 8y ago
Women don't value commitment then as TRP preaches.it bores them as they're itching to ride the carousel
BrunoOh 8y ago
Women love investment (in them). They hate having to commit.
iLLprincipLeS 8y ago
good comment by /u/Clint_Redwood , he knows what's up.
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? where it preaches that? on the contrary. Women don't value the commitment after they locked you down. But before that, that's their goal if they see you as high value. After that - boring.. need feelz on carousel . so, offer constant tingles with little effort and you'll be the carousel , getting easy fuckz .. how.. OP told you.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
People value what they don't have, want, can't have or might lose.
Hodensack666 8y ago
they are more animals then humans . they dont think or reason. they just test how far they can go and thats where they will go. its more like very small children also.
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evileddy 8y ago
"Aww. don't cry.. you look fat when you cry"
Learn_ta_Swim 8y ago
Am I wrong in thinking that would be fake most, if not all of the time?
rife_omeqa 8y ago
Fake implies she's in on the act which likely isn't the case.
It's more likely a tactic she's resorted to in the past which worked and now it's her "go to" move when something doesn't go her way or ruffles her feathers.
The best advice is to always keep the light hearted and cocky. Don't take yourself or anyone else too seriously. She cries because she wants to play the victim or she wants to be reassured. Don't let her make the move. Don't accept her crying as actual crying, use it as a target for some jokes.
The next time she cries reply with "you can cry harder than that, comon!" or something else overly sarcastic. "Do you have cancer? No? Because the only thing that I think would make me cry as hard as you are now is if I had cancer. Ball cancer... maybe."
The only way jokes work in a time like that is if you have some tact and even then it might be sketchy based on the mood. You don't want to be dismissive either. You're just after a smile or a laugh and she's back. It's a knifes edge though and it helps if you know your audience well.
Imagine you saw a 5 year old girl crying. Would you sit down and console her and reassure her and start a serious, somber conversation regarding life choices and whatnot? No. You'd make a joke and pull her chin up by making her laugh or smile. Treat all women like that.
To put it another way; don't fall into her frame by reacting as she'd expect to her crying. Pull her into your playful frame instead.
DocHancock 8y ago
Its insane how I feel more and more like this sentiment everyday and I'm 25 only recently unplugged just how cynical am I going to be by 34?
Foctopus 8y ago
I'm 18 still living with my parents. I don't ever disrespect them (despite what they'd tell you) I just hold frame with my mother. This leads to actually getting some respect from her, at least until dad comes home and scolds me for not submitting (he actually said that).
_the_shape_ 8y ago
My best advice is to become the "strong, silent type" at home until you can get out from under your parent's thumb(s). No barking back, no emo "you just don't get me!" type retorts, just a simple nod here and there, and continue doing what you must in order to become self-reliant.
Foctopus 8y ago
That's what I do, my mother though has a tendency to get mad if I'm not always happy about anything she does.
bboiabb 8y ago
sort of tough to hold frame when it's literally your parents house and they pay for all your shit.
Once you get your place and they come over and try to bring those rules, then you have a good reason to act how you want. Till then, i'd just bear with it
rexted23 8y ago
Acting like a spoiled brat isn't alpha. If you want to hold frame, get your own fucking place.
alphabeta49 8y ago
Why are you still living there?
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
he's 18 and it's a shit job market calm down
alphabeta49 8y ago
I was genuinely curious, not judging. People have reasons for what they do, I wanted his. My youngest brother is in a similar situation, living at home and will be 18 in a few months. Was just looking for common threads to help my brother.
DiscussDude 8y ago
I'm the guy.
All my life, I did whatever those women told me they want. I treated them with respect and stuff, but no girl fell for me. I did missionary sex with all of them, slow and stuff, foreplay and shit, just like they said. And they told me I was bad in bed.
Dumped.
Then, I started treating them like they are shit, and guess what? They fucking fell in love with me. Fucked them without foreplay, pulled their hair and did doggy and entered from behind everytime and they LIKED it.
Scold them. Fight with them. Show your emotions. Get angry and stuff. They LIKE drama.
You see, it's like you are selling a product.
If you stay by yourself and set your price high, they'll think it's because you are of great quality and they'll come running to you.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
The same holds true with pasta sauce. If you make your own pasta sauce at home, bottle it, and stock it at the grocery store for $1.50 a bottle, which is a 50% profit over the cost of the tomatoes, garlic, celery, oil, and spices, nobody will buy it. Because nobody wants a cheap-ass homemade pasta sauce.
But sell the same sauce for $5.50 a bottle, make your bottle smaller, and make your label look a little fancy, and people will think they're buying a gourmet product. You make 450% profit. Plus, the stupid people who eat your pasta sauce will actually think it tastes gourmet, because people suck at judging things and just go by appearances.
DiscussDude 8y ago
Yeh. They think if it is expensive, it must be of great quality. ;)
32643264 8y ago
I think i get what you are saying. 3rd wave feminism has resulted in women's empowerment, sexual promiscuity, independence, etc. which has caused women to look at men as a mere utility in the game of "love". They created this shit storm so we shouldn't give them an easy way out by saying "women gonna women" / "you can t be mad at something for doing something thats in its nature."
Maybe its a reach, but when you say "women deserve to be treated badly" you are actually saying "enjoy the decline".
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
This isn't new though... getting a husband was the old game. Getting resources without being married is the new game. Men are used as pawns either way.
DisgruntledWolverine 8y ago
And getting sex without being married or giving up our resources is TRP game!
Sawagurumi 8y ago
Far from new, as you say. This is the essence of male-female interaction, that men extract resources from the environment, and women extract resources from men. We love women for their beauty, and 'innocence' and sense of fun and so on, but none of those things happened by accident. They evolved in women because these features were most successful in manipulating men into giving them resources. Now, many of them prefer to get it via the tax system or the family court, but they are still doing the exact same thing, manipulating the men in power by crying and whining and being all innocent and helpless and 'you have to help me, I'm powerless in the big bad world!'.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
Right... also ... detecting these features and finding them attractive evolved in men. Beauty = indicators of fertility. Innocence = indicator of youth. Fun = indicator of relaxed and without an agenda that may harm us.
Yup. And I'm getting sick of women portrayed as these helpless innocents. So many articles I read say things like "and I was alone and vulnerable in the world..." and "today's young woman has to navigate the complexities of modern dating.." As if these things are any easier for men . And we all know these things are harder for most men than for most women.
cariboo_j 8y ago
I heard this on a podcast with Niko Choski. He said "it's like when you're a kid, and you find out magic isn't real. Yeah it's still cool to see magic tricks but it's just not the same."
Lately I'm finding the whole neoteny / damsel in distress act just grates on my nerves. It's no longer sexy it's just irritating.
Ninja_Wizard_69 8y ago
...and the state serves as the paternal figure with welfare.
The state has replaced men.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
And this is how men (and other women to a certain extent) are held at threatpoint by women, and given no reasonable choice.
Woman has child, woman cannot work and raise child, society is then forced to either support woman and child or let woman and child starve.
Everyone agrees we should support a woman in that position. Women know that in they'll be supported. Women act accordingly. Pregnancy becomes a mealticket. End result is that 50% of pregnancies are unplanned (current US statistics - research for yourself if you doubt this incredible result).
There is one thing and one thing only that can be done to reverse this. Make women liable for repaying this welfare in later life. Once child is in school, it's time to start earning and repaying it... (and of course for this to work there must be consequences for the "I'll just stay pregnant then" women).
Come on Feminists... let's hear how you are independent and every bit as good as a man... but yet deserve to receive free handouts from men and the state when you get knocked up.
AtlRP 8y ago
That honestly seems like too low of a figure to me. I would've assumed 75-80%, which is probably more accurate if you adjust for "unplanned by the father."
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Look at it this way: 100% unplanned by the father, 100% planned by the mother.
=
50% unplanned.
Just a thought.
FillingInTheSkanks 8y ago
He is saying women don't respect bitches.
InsiderT 8y ago
My Golden Rule: Do unto others as they would do unto themselves.
Just forget the often (mis)quoted do unto others as they would do unto you. Only you get to judge your own self worth, and so it goes with other people's worth.
Don't bother to do unto others what they "claim" they want, or what they "claim" they do. Words are empty. This is the path to Beta.
Treat someone the way they actually treat themselves.
Treat a woman the way she would treat herself. If she treats herself like garbage, why would you treat her any better?
raoulduke415 8y ago
Meh, I agree with some of this but not all of it. I don't think of it as treating them like shit, I think of it more about myself as being confident and selfish (selfish in a good way). The all women deserve to be treated like shit thing just sounds like anger, and uses logic similar to how racists think IMO. Your logic does hold merit though, and I don't discount it, it's the generalization that doesn't. Some deserve to be treated like shit, and I have used TRP with that very same mindset. I've also used TRP on women with a different mindset. They're brains may be wired differently but they're not all exactly the same.
cynicalprick01 8y ago
it just reads to me like the anger phase come to life.
when you have reached the acceptance phase, all this talk of women "deserving" anything at all is kind of moot. It just seems like these are guys trying to get some sort of revenge for women's perceived misdeeds.
when you view a women as simply a creature following impulses and instincts, then you see that is is amoral. you view them more or less like any other animals.
so, in a way, they are like captain ahab trying to get revenge on the whale that took his leg. anyone who has read the book can tell of the folly of dedicating any part of yourself to getting revenge on an animal.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
I think that your thinking is a bit skewed. Why pick on racists? You are going off all over the place. There is a legitimate place for racism. What is wrong with racism? Everybody is a racist. Don't sidetrack the OP and don't try and drop poison pills into TRP.
raoulduke415 8y ago
LOL, ok bro. I'm done arguing about this, you are looking into one tiny bit of what I'm saying and inflating it into something that isn't even there. I've already addressed your argument and if you read what else I'm saying then maybe you'll see my point of view. Im not necessarily hating on OP either, just presenting a different POV using TRP.
bluedrygrass 8y ago
How so? Both racism and sexism are not the idea of treating people like shit. That's what people do additionally, but technically, racist and sexist means aknowledging the differences between races and sexes (wheter real or not, that's up to debate, but that's the technical definition of the terms)
raoulduke415 8y ago
Not the treating like shit part, the generalizing part. but it does go hand in hand. I'm not saying i disagree completely though
juliusstreicher 8y ago
You're too invested in attacking people for reasons about which you are unclear. You've been socialized into believing that racism is wrong and that it is your job to stop it. Knock off the anti-racist drive-by comments.
EVERYBODY fucking generalizes. Fucking physicists generalize.
raoulduke415 8y ago
Trust me, I understand that, read some of my other recent comments on other threads. I'm tired of this bullshit PC culture where everyone hs to nitpick about even the slightest mention of race or a collective group of people. I am not doing that here. There is a huge difference between generalizing, and hating a whole group of people.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
If you have the time to individually judge women based on their merits and tailor your behavior for each individual woman, you could stand to take up a few more constructive hobbies.
If you treat every woman like she sucks, and are still 90% as successful sexually, is it really worth all of that time and investment with individual women to get that last 10%?
raoulduke415 8y ago
I don't think of it as treating her like she sucks. I think of it as me being confident in myself and being independent. Of course I get a superiority complex sometimes but mostly as a result of her actions. But I don't base my actions or persona around thinking she is a piece of shit. It's not about tailoring myself towards her, it's about being myself, and if she deserves to be thought of like trash then I will without really thinking about it. It's completely reactive.
benuntu 8y ago
I wish I could upvote more than once. Our behavior defines who we are. If you treat everyone of a gender terribly, that says way more about you than it does about those people. I see no harm in treating others with respect until they deserve otherwise. Then they just get what's coming to them.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I think their is probably a big disparity between you and archwinger. I believe he's 30-50 and very busy.
You'll find the older you get, the less time you have. He's advising you it's a waste of time to invest that much into a women with little to no return or the possibility of return. You are much better off focusing and building yourself because that return never diminishes.
I think all men, the older they get, the less they care about women. To much shit to do every day.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Yes less investment. Don't invest in women. I don't know if that translates into: treat them like shit they deserve it.
If you have to treat them like shit and get into fights all the time with women, breakup, makeup, breakup, shit gets old fast. You might as well stay celibate at that point. Treating them shitty becomes an investment/hard-work.
Treating them like children and selfishly works much better. It's not that you are actively harming/hurting them. You are just acting in your best interests at all times.
Don't tolerate her? Leave. Don't tolerate her outburst? Tell her off. Don't tolerate a fight? Just dump her.
Point is, you are treating bad behavior with bad behavior. Good behavior gets rewards. This is psychologically training them to treat you better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning
Act more like an 1800s foreign minister when dealing with shitty countries... Carrot and stick, carrot and stick. Like children who need taming and discipline.
raoulduke415 8y ago
Well I am in my early twenties. Maybe my mindset will change in a decade or so
Olipyr 8y ago
Dude, I'm 29. Listen to /u/Archwinger and /u/Clint_Redwood.
I love women, but they are a waste of time to chase. I say this as a man wanting a family. I didn't get really started until I was 22. If I could get back all the money and time I wasted fucking and chasing pussy, I would be probably $40-50k richer right now. I did gain valuable social skills, so it is a trade-off. Learn to manage your time with pussy versus time spent improving yourself and you'll be much better off.
gonorealover 8y ago
... what the fuck ? Were you insane or something ?
Olipyr 8y ago
Roughly 8 years and triple digits. The epitome of a womanizer.
Extreme introvert growing up and through high school. Guess I was making up for lost time.
I was stupid, but luckily I came out clean.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
You should take words of the wise and fix it now so you don't look back and say, "Fuck, i wasted my 20's chasing bitches". You might not agree with him but he's saying it from experience.
I just turned 26 and I can back everything he's telling you. You are only have one youth and all the energy and drive that comes with it. The shit you do now will be 10x hard at 30. Focus on yourself, don't waste time chasing pussy, it's vastly unfulfilled in the long run. I wasted 20-25 on girls. So much time i'll never have again. I could be rolling in dough right now but I let the pussy blind me.
My advice for you would be to spend the next 4 years only solely you. Pure fucking hustle, get shit done and constantly be improving. Every day make a 1%. Every day work towards financial independence.
Then by your late 20's you'll be rolling in dough, do whatever you like and fuck as many girls as you like.
runr6 8y ago
This man. ..I too just turned 26 and wasted the first half of them chasing pussy- and absolutely nothing to show for it. The good news is we have the 2nd half still to get our shit in gear. I would be willing to gander there are a ton of 30+ men who wish they could go back to where we are now.
cynicalprick01 8y ago
What if your ultimate goal in life is to lead one that you feel is worth living, rather than one that simply gets you money.
I dunno, you can have experiences when you are in your 20s that can never be recreated by your older self. I would not choose to trade those in for a little more wealth later on in life.
There is something special about wasting time with friends doing whatever you want when you are younger. This doesnt mean you have to spend 100% of your time doing this. Im just trying to say that wasting a bit of your 20s can be a good thing depending on who you are.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I've never met a guy that didn't go overboard with it. Myself included.
Good rule of thumb is 4 hours a day to self improvement. More the better. Every Day. Every day 1%. Do that and you'll be above 80% of the guys in a year or less.
I personally spend 8 hours a day, and that's not even close to enough for building a independent income outside of a 9-5 job.
cynicalprick01 8y ago
I agree that there should be a balance.
The dude raoulduke415 was talking to was encouraging not even having enough time to tell different women apart though...
like, that takes a few minutes. not even sometimes. Packing your schedule so much that you dont even have that bit of spare time would create so much stress for me that it wouldnt even be worth it.
my hair would start falling out and I would get too cranky for people to like me.
I guess what I am saying is that different people have different balances and for person A to tell person B that he should change his lifestyle simply because it doesnt work for person A is selfish and misguided advice and would leave person B in a worse state if he follows it.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
Dude, I've always thought this "oh but you can be a NICE alpha" shit was bullshit.
They don't want nice anything. They want an asshole who wins. The nice guy doesn't win. They want and reward assholes.
And they hide it under the guise of "oh no we just like confidence" now that they've been called on their bullshit. That's them moving the goalposts. No you like sociopathic assholes. Tell me how every guy in prison has bitches coming down to fuck him, but you don't like assholes or sociopaths right ladies?
[deleted] 8y ago
Been saying this. Asshole alpha > nice alpha every time. Alpha + nice = tingles. Asshole + alpha = double tingles
Darkwoodz 8y ago
I don't agree with judging a single person based off the actions of others which they have no control over. I'm not going to treat all women or men poorly because of the actions of some.
It's basic RP to acknowledge the nature of human behavior and to accept that it isn't good OR bad.. It just is. So I'm not going to think badly of anyone without good cause.
redcolorglasses 8y ago
What does "badly" mean? Are we just judging simple red pill behavior from the frame of an angry 2nd wave feminist? Or does it literally mean to be malicious to women?
I think you're regressing the ideology. I didn't learn to behave "badly" here. I learned to continually strive to be the best man I can be and to think and act in my own frame. I don't treat anyone badly, except my enemies. Others may judge my behavior differently, but their judgements have no authority over me.
tallwheel 8y ago
True. But at the same time, I don't go posting on the Internet "Treating snakes badly -- because they deserve it". They're just animals following their instincts. If one poses a threat to me, then sure I will cut it's fucking head off. The ones out in the woods minding their own business? I'm cool with them. They have a right to exist, and I don't hate them for being born what they are.
No I don't. Do you? That's what feminists do. So are you saying we should just turn around and be just like the feminists? After reading this post, I have a hard time arguing that this sub isn't just a mirror image of feminism for men.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
Is anything else working?
Right now all we hear about is womyn rights and women in STEM as men blow their brains out 4 to 1 and women own every right imaginable including getting preferential hiring over men and everything else.
The difference is this is truth. And this stands up to debate.
tallwheel 8y ago
"Women deserve to be treated badly" is unproveable, and will not stand up as "truth" to the majority of debaters or onlookers. If truth and logical high ground is what is necessary, then this post is not helpful.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
that's what i was responding to.
tallwheel 8y ago
So? Doesn't matter. If you're saying the difference between this sub and feminism is that we have truth on our side, my point that this post isn't helpful still stands. Saying "women deserve to be treated badly" is just as biased and unproveable as the claims of radfems. That's the point.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
Well they do reward the behavior.
tallwheel 8y ago
Agreed. However, you could look at it as giving them what they actually want, therefore it isn't really treating them "badly".
baube19 8y ago
This is somehowrelated.. a friend of my SO came for diner last night and she casually dropped she is sleeping around. We where dumbfunded at her logic "but unless he does'nt know it won't hurth him" or "he deserve it because..." we changed subject and after she left decided that we will never invite her again..
I'll just wait for the dust to settle so this bitch can't make the connection between telling us and me telling his SO. What a dumb bitch.. they are planing on gething engaged and all.. it will be a fun boat to see go down...
barlow69 8y ago
She obviously wants you guys to tell her fiance. Seems like clear cut self sabotage.
4D6N2 8y ago
She probably thinks they're too scared to tell him. That they wouldn't dare. I've seen girls do this before. They don't realize that consequences exist, because they've never experienced consequences for their actions before. They don't understand that not everyone is as morally bankrupt as they are. She thinks she's invincible. She thinks that everyone finds manipulation and betrayal as funny as she does. She's a rotten person who has the benefit of having been born female, meaning she can do whatever she wants and get away with it. And up until this point, she's done exactly that. Watch what happens, if OP tells the SO, it will be his fault. Again, this is because she literally cannot conceptualize the idea that her actions have consequences.
PlansAndPlates 8y ago
Birds of a feather dude. People are much like their friends.
baube19 8y ago
It is totally not a verry good friend or her best friend in any way.
rporion 8y ago
What still gets to me is not so much the whole cock carousel thing but the sheer brazeness with which they openly state what they are doing.
In my 20s, which ended a mere 12 years ago, they at least had they common sense to shut up and nobody would have bragged about it.
I also know how I reacted when a girl (exactly one, no more) back then insinuated that I would make a very fine BB eventually, my young, naive and very bluepill self immediately exploded and had a few questions, most important among them "what makes you think I would be interested in the washed up cum rags of other men?". *
Are they so spoiled and delusional that they do not even look out for their own self interest anymore?
The sheer hubris on display is mindboggling.
*abgelegte Fickfetzen, in the original.
bluedrygrass 8y ago
Reactions like yours are the reason most women still fight with all their forces NOT to be less slutty, but to hide it the most possible.
If she is in the right company, and doesn't feel judged and doesn't fear the consequences of her words, any woman will admit about absurd masturbation frequencies and tools used, mind-blowing fantasies like rape and whoredom, and whatnot.
jimjam80 8y ago
My latest ex started a blog about her love life (think: her own personal Sex in The City blog, only she can't write and isn't funny, just unbelievably self-absorbed). She didn't get graphic, but she described all of her motivations and reasoning in the most unapologetic feminist context . . . anyone with half a brain who reads it will consider her the bottom of the barrel in terms of female nature. And she's PROUD of it . . . in her own little world, she's a superstar . . . only at age 31, she's actually a hyper-desperate, wall-approaching cunt. My favorite parts were the euphemisms she used to re-brand her desperation, such as "dating with purpose" or "looking for her forever person." Everyone knows she's "dating to lock up money before it's too late" and "looking for the most tolerable beta bux bitch to pilfer his resources."
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renzy77 8y ago
Not only do they not feel shame, a lot of them seem to treat it like the whole thing's a game. Like it's funny to dupe their trusting bf/husband. I've seen girls laughing and whispering and dropping hints about how they were flirting or messing around with guys, with their boyfriends standing right there.
It's like this wink, wink, nudge, nudge haha remember how much fun we had on that girls night out and then they laugh when they see the bf getting uncomfortable because he suspects something happened but he doesn't know what and couldn't prove it even if he wanted to because the girls all cover for each other.
I think to them it's funny to pull the wool over men's eyes and dupe them. A fun little game. To women, mocking men is always OK because women see themselves as punching up when they do it to guys. I think the idea that they should feel bad about treating their boyfriends or husbands like this never even occurs to them. It's not on their radar at all. Honestly, I don't think women even have the ability to feel sorry for the way they treat men or even to empathize with men at all.
AFPJ 8y ago
The whole thing IS a game & chumps not realizing this is how we got to where we are. The cultural / legal climate has made it a game, for women, because tangible negative repercussions are so unlikely for them today that it is almost no longer a "thing" - they're now reserved almost exclusively for men, which is why for us it's very much not a game.
They don't. Women (in view of the public or their manipulation target) say / do things to get what they want.
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Chrience 8y ago
Love in a relationship always FLOWS DOWN :
Men ------> women -----> children ------> puppies
The guy in this example was weak, when it's natural for men to be the strongest in the relationship. Want some empathy and loving care as a guy? Tough! That love ain't flowing backwards from women to men in the above model for you, so you always have to be on top. Make sure to game your girlfriend regularly, keep you value and options high and keep stoic and strong, so you won't NEED that unnatural 'backwards love' to help you in the first place, and you remain the most powerful in the relationship (Captain first mate dynamic).
cariboo_j 8y ago
Why would you love someone who doesn't love you back?
That's just sad.
remyseven 8y ago
The only love you get is from your mom and if you still need it you must ask yourself if you are man child. What you get from women is admiration.
bluedrygrass 8y ago
No. Not even that. That's STILL trying to rationalize and put logic and sense in an illogical and senseless world.
Women don't really love children- they love what childrens bring: affection, sweet feelz, social status. But almost all women will try to betafy their sons, and then lose respect if they do.
Try to game your mother. Apply TRP principles in your relation with her. They will always work. Why? Because sons are just another tool for a mother. Specifically, a source of money. Motherly "love" is not disinterested.
Children usually don't love puppies- they love to use puppies. It's usually the parents that have to feed and clean the mess the puppies do. Almost all childrens- especially the female ones in my experience- will abuse their pets in one way or another, or just straight up ignore them when they don't care anymore.
xBonerDetective 8y ago
Lol how do you knock him and say he's trying to rationalize and put logic into an illogical and senseless world...
...and in the next paragraph try your own hand at rationalizing and putting logic into your self described "illogical and senseless world"
I disagree with your entire premise.
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spookyman212 8y ago
You sound so tainted. Mothers love their children. Yes you can get examples of shitty moms. But the percentage is low.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
But notice how women do talk a big game about "dying for their kids" but when push comes to shove the wife always seems to live and if anyone dies for their kid it's the father.
gonorealover 8y ago
lol you havent even touched the red pill yet. The bluepill indoctrination runs deep in newbies like you.
Specter242 8y ago
LOL My mother loves me man, right, right......
spookyman212 8y ago
I've been reading red pill a few months. I know alot of it is true to life. But i also know there is a lot of bitter extremists who let their fury run wild. If you are a true red piller nothing should faze you or piss you off. Because your cool as Keith.
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Isn't the whole point of evolution an effort to preserve the species? I really doubt the vast majority of mother's do anything but love their children simply because that attachment is intrinsically engineered into us over millions of years
bluedrygrass 8y ago
But it isn't at play in the human species. That's why western societies have negatie birth rates.
MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 8y ago
I used to wonder where I get love from.
God, your mom (and dad) and male friends.
cheeky_throwaway101 8y ago
Yep, and you can bet your bottom dollar as soon as your woman starts hanging around with these women she will become exactly the same.
RP_Vergil 8y ago
That happened to a friend of mine. His ex used to be from a proper family background with strict upbringing. After hanging out with a group of "I hate my family, I wish my dad would die, my parents weren't there for me" group of Drama Drunk Girls, she started dressing like a slut, picked up drinking and always crash the Clubs on ladies night.
In the end he can't take the drama she gave and broke off. Took him a year to walk out of the depression as he thought that he is the reason for turning her into what she is now.
cheeky_throwaway101 8y ago
Exactly the same happened to me. Was with her 8 years. She starts college then comes home and starts spouting all this man hatred shit because none of her man hating college slut friends can hold down a man. Sucks how impressionable they are.
RP_Vergil 8y ago
Funny thing is how Guys will assume it's their fault. In a way yes, for not enforcing rules and discipline through personal values.
Another friend of mine is now with someone 4 years older than him, but because after 2 messy relationship, he starts to draw boundary early and establish his frame of "Do's & Do Not's". This current LTR is the most stable for him, even thou his SO already hit the wall but doesn't dare to boss him around.
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cheeky_throwaway101 8y ago
It is completely fucked. I am more angry at the Betas that let it to continue to happen rather than the women though. This has always been a womans nature, they have manipulated us all on a grand scale, secretly they must be all cackling behind closed doors.
I look at my divorced male friends who have been treated like this by their women (with no kids involved), they still talk to them, go out of their way to please them. Talk about womb whipped. What a fucking dire cuckfest situation.
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LukesLikeIt 8y ago
Pretty sure religion/marriage was what kept women at least somewhat pure. I disagree with what you're saying, it's pretty much all on feminism.
Scrubstepcat 8y ago
This guy shouldn't have any downvotes. Christianity has pussified and dumbed us as a race.
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sorceryofthetesticle 8y ago
No. Christianity produces a highly productive, naive, fear/shame focused society. It always has. Comfort is now the focus because Christianity lost its grip and cold realists (women, psychopathic men) took maximum advantage. In a way, comfort and happiness is an intermediate religion to take Christianity's place; we worship at the altar of television, we take sacrament of oreos.
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sorceryofthetesticle 8y ago
I rewrote the above post for clarity. And I'm not arguing with you here, I'm mostly fleshing things out for myself... We probably agree on most of this.
Yeah, eternal comfort is a motivation used to offset a Christian's suffering, but I think it's beside the point. Christianity doesn't make people crave perpetual comfort and happiness; that motivation is fundamental to human experience. Christianity is just a system that convinces people to delay their natural urge for comfort/happiness for a (hopefully) better reward in the future. So, it shapes a person's approach to comfort and magnifies a few weaknesses that are now abundantly exposed. (Those weaknesses are basically how women play dudes. "Oh, you're trained to wait for rewards? Then I'll just string you along....")
But since the drive for comfort and happiness is intrinsic, even a new, more realistic, more brutal religion (basically Islam by the way) will hinge everything on that drive and related manipulation tactics. So to me, it seems like a more realistic or brutal religion would just let these manipulative processes a. play out at a faster pace, b. select more generally for manipulative/socially powerful people, which is exactly what we see now. The new religion is here, and it is largely the same, except faster. The new generation of men who can handle it are just finally being bred.
But, is that actually what we want? The old way was great for a while but it doesn't work anymore, so I guess we have to be satisfied with our unfortunate enlightenment. I think I see now what you mean by perpetual happiness as xtianity's goal. It tries to make everyone happy via mass naivete, and that shit just doesn't work, but I'm not sure there is actually an alternative.
DforDeadpool 8y ago
Comparing Christianity with feminism is a long shot at best.
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Styx_ 8y ago
Eh, I think you're reaching for a conclusion there.
You could make the case that feminism is more a byproduct of a wealthy nation and wealthy nations tend to be christian. I don't think Christianity, specifically, has that much to do with it.
I prefer to just call it what it is, Ignorance.
DforDeadpool 8y ago
If you want to hamster it that way, you can find similarities. Yet, Christianity has many aspects which is different. Man-woman polarity. Advices on finding a good woman and running from sluts. Being a good person who works and contributes to humanity. Morality. Responsibility. I didn't see any of those in feminism.
Also, I wouldn't call Sweden, a.k.a. the Saudi Arabia of feminism a strongly Christian society, mate. If you don't know it look it up.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I can second this
I've been that guy that fucked the dudes girl
People get off on danger. It spikes adrenaline. It's basically a fucking aphrodisiac. The more they hint at it, in the presence of others, making that awkward sexual tension in a group of people, especially if their dude is there, the more it spikes.
I've never cheated on a girl, not my thing, but i also vet extensively. But god damn sex with a chick you know has a dude is a different kind of sex. It's way more intense just because it's potentially dangerous. The sex itself was horrible actually, total starfish, but the experience and what you feel is fucking surreal.
I use to not understand why people cheat or how they become repeating cheaters.
Once i fucked that girl It clicked instantly. That shit is fucking addicting. It's literally like a drug. It also taught me to never date a chick who has a history of cheating. It gets wired into them like a drug addict. Once you are a drug addict your mind is forever vulnerable to relapse. Cheating is a drug through and through. It's used to escape their reality, just like how we use drugs and alcohol to escape.
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Clint_Redwood 8y ago
Watch yourself, don't shit where you eat.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
The best part is that society will blame you for making those poor women cheat. It's not their fault. It's your fault for being such a darn good seducer when you knew she had a boyfriend.
It's your responsibility to enforce her promises, not hers.
Sawagurumi 8y ago
Of course it is. Whatever the 'narrative' may be, society - and women - know full well that women are not fully responsible adults.
TomFoo 8y ago
Yes sir, it's my fault that my wife wanted a divorce 2 months into marriage. No one told me I had to uphold HER vows for her.
oxicide 8y ago
I have been guilty of that my whole life, funny how it never had occurred to me I was wrong.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I know, I'm such a misogynist for being attractive and sexually successful and all the fucking work I put in to get there. I should probably just stop the whole self improvement thing. I should think about all the womenz I've hurt with their lack of agency, accountability, shortsightedness and inability to see the consequences of their actions and those they effect.
I think you've really made me rethink my life choices Archwinger, thanks
rios_salvi 8y ago
Oh my god that video hahahaha
TomFoo 8y ago
Nope. You're just a rapist. High five.
ThrowyMcGruder 8y ago
There was actually a thread not so long ago, on reddit, asking about horrible things that people have done.
One guy said that he had sex with a woman who had a boyfriend.
And I shit you not, he actually said something along the lines of, "I know I'm an ass and I guess she might be equally, if not even more, responsible..."
It's hilarious that that's even a question in his mind.
I can't imagine living in a world where I, as a guy in a committed relationship, can go have sex with a single woman, and the general consensus is that she's a complete bitch but maybe, just maybe, I should feel a little bad. Possibly even more so.
I mean that bitch went around being sexy. How could I possibly be held accountable for that?
It's a real head-scratcher.
jmg83 8y ago
The way I see it is unless he knows the guy, he has nothing to feel guilty about. Sure, one has to feel sorry for the boyfriend, but his girl would only be fucking some other guy, if not the man in question.
TomFoo 8y ago
Even at the worst, the man had some guilt to the other man. The woman? Probably none, if not negative guilt. "It was the men's fault I cheated."
32643264 8y ago
Ive literally had a girl (who has a BF) tell me after I fucked her, "you seduced me!"
nothing surprises me anymore
All__fun 8y ago
Is that inaccurate ?
Not even trying to diss you.
Is it wrong to equate gaming a chick to seducing a chick ?
Interversity 8y ago
It's not inaccurate, but it is incomplete. Seduction isn't something you can just do to someone. They have to be complicit in the process. So saying 'you seduced me' is only half of reality.
squeadle 8y ago
It's her Anti-Slut Defense. "you seduced me" means she's not culpable; it's the guy's fault she cheated for being a sneaker seducer, not her fault for being a sloot
alphabeta49 8y ago
I've cheated on my wife. The addiction thing isn't limited to chicks.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
Never said it wasn't. I realized it the first time, I choose not to go down that path for the obvious reason. I think cheating with a chick would eventually lead to cheating on a chick.
But then again, i rarely become exclusive with a girl so it's not a worry.
alphabeta49 8y ago
Not disagreeing, just relating to your comment.
I also agree that once they've gotten a taste, there's no going back to innocence.
GunsGermsAndSteel 8y ago
Cheating feels pretty great while you're doing it. I've discovered that I can kinda quell the desire to step outside of a relationship by just role playing with her, like pretending to be in situations that would be cheating. Meeting somewhere as "strangers", etc. It's fun.
Of course, if you're with a girl who doesn't like a lot of sex, then this wouldn't help. My girl loves sex even more than I do. Lately it's been three times a day, and she'd take another three if I wanted to. And we've been together way longer than a "honeymoon" period. So I'm doing something right, I guess.
I think I'll go home and have her pretend to be a space alien cheerleader teen prostitute nun.
alphabeta49 8y ago
Upvote for finding a girl who likes sex more than you do. Enjoy that unicorn.
alphabeta49 8y ago
It definitely has an allure. For me, I lost the desire to cheat one time, and that was when we were having sex more than once every two days. Other women just didn't interest me. I don't know what happened, but somehow she hit a horny streak back in January and for about two weeks it was almost non-stop, and high quality. Still trying to figure out how to trigger that again...
GunsGermsAndSteel 8y ago
My guess is you can trigger it by doing manly shit, being a little aloof, and not supplicating. I could be wrong.
alphabeta49 8y ago
Wrote that in a comment a little further down.
TomFoo 8y ago
And you own up to it. If she did, it never happened.
alphabeta49 8y ago
True. I'll be honest, I've grown alot in the last two years. I responded just like a girl when my wife found out. Hamster city.
TomFoo 8y ago
I'm curious. Why is she still with you after you cheated. Interested in reading this as a field report.
alphabeta49 8y ago
I don't talk about it much because this sub tends to shit on anything that doesn't drag women through the mud.
I'll try not to write a wall of text.
She is a good woman. She was raised by a traditional Mexican dad who ruled the house with an iron fist. She works hard for what she wants. She's better at money management than I am. She has good control of her emotions (for a woman). She tries really hard to make me happy. She cooks, cleans, raises kids (SAHM), and doesn't excessively buy into social media validation.
I was raised in a good-looking Christian home, but lived a double life and was raised by a narcissistic mom and absent dad. I didn't learn how the real world worked until college, and even then I was convinced I was a special snowflake. My cheating was a giant pout because she wasn't paying beta bitch me any attention once we started having kids.
Overall she was (maybe still is) a better personal that me.
So that's the context.
She stayed with me because she believes in second chances and works for what she wants. She survived cancer when she was 19 (10 years in remission this month = cured), so she has a deeper appreciation for life than most women.
This isn't to say NAWALT. She still shit tests. She still ignores me sexually when I'm not being awesome. Her dual strategy is glaringly obvious. Her feminist side would come out if she didn't have a husband to submit to or trust. She would still try to divorce rape me out of vengeance if it ever came to that (joke would be on her though, I've spoken to a lawyer and my current income < her income potential; she might actually owe me alimony).
But she has done a good job for the most part at ditching that mindset. Its more a case of me lucking out and getting a good woman, but being such a beta fag that I nearly ruined it. She doesn't take much effort either. Making her laugh, getting chores done around the house, and being an awesome dad is usually enough to get her wet regularly.
Plus she lives for our kids (which ironically is both the biggest reason for my cheating and the biggest reason for us still being together).
TheReformist94 8y ago
When I read stuff like this,the fact they openly don't give a fuck,especially when in a relationship, I don't see the point in not cheating myself. If they felt guilt or somewhat valued a relatio ship then I'd see a point in restraining myself. They don't have the capacity to love. I used to feel guilt ,bt reading this,I feel like in wasting my time not cheating as its wasted on a creature that can't comprehend loyalty
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
depend on where you live. It seems the closer to the coasts you get, the more promiscuity and hypergamy run completely out of control.
You get into the more conservative states in the midwest and you'll see less of it. More social shame, etc.
I'm fortunate to live in the Midwest semi small town so not every chick is a flippant nymphomaniac.
eccentricrealist 8y ago
Probably has a lot to do with tourism
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
definitely. guys like RSDtyler heavily lay out how women have different needs depending on the enviroment. There's a big difference between meeting girls in Vegas vs some podunk town in mainland America.
eccentricrealist 8y ago
That being said, though, inland is not always better. Mexico city and Monterrey are big drug markets and girls are getting more promiscuous by the day. And I've heard of U.S. military towns where women aren't pretty swell either.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
larger the population, the worse it gets.
TomFoo 8y ago
I confirm. Lived in both NY + LA. Bitches are thirsty, into their 40s.
Mithra9009 8y ago
Is that relative to the entire population? Obviously, if 10% of women are cheaters and you have a bigger population then there will be more cheating women but does the proportion of cheating women also increase with population density?
raoulduke415 8y ago
I'm sorry dude, but can you please fix your spelling/grammatical errors? I barely got through that, and still don't really understand it. Are you saying the girl has a boyfriend and she openly told you that she is cheating on him?
baube19 8y ago
yes. sorry for the sloppy language.. When I'll see you post in french I'll be sure to come bash you back about your poor grammar.
raoulduke415 8y ago
Don't worry, I'm sure you will haha. No plans to speak French for me anytime soon though.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
Additionally... every woman has (and will in the future) treated men as disposable tools to provide her with resources, validation, options, security. She's learned to shame and reward men from an early age to do her bidding. And on a global scale, she has been so successful at this that most men have no idea it has even happened.
She'll flirt and tease and mislead just in order to secure an additional option for herself, and this is considered totally acceptable female behaviour (the man is held responsible for falling into her trap).
She'll accept male commitment, resources and time for her own benefit, knowing it's a one-sided deal. Knowing that she's causing long term pain for the man she's misleading.
And should the relationship (or the orbiting) end for whatever arbitrary reason, she's already lined up a big stack of shame for the man (in order to absolve herself of responsibility) .. "just because I was flirting doesn't mean I want to fuck you!" ... "what do you mean you're sexually interested in me, but we're just friends" ... "how dare you proposition a lady like that?". The list goes on.
When a woman is being nice to you and treating you well it means she respects you AND wants something from you. It doesn't make her a good person. A good person is someone who treats those lower down the status ladder well. Women do not do this. Look at how she treats men below her in status, and reconsider how nice she really is.
the_strasburger 8y ago
You forgot homeless Chad Thundercock who runs so much game he seduced the wife and daughter of Mr. Resources/Validation/Security as they were volunteering at the soup kitchen. A rowdy three-way ensued in homeless Chad's swanky cardboard box ending with the wife and daughter gathering tossed clothes in a damp alley.
cariboo_j 8y ago
Exactly. If you treat the people under you like shit and suck up to the people above you, you're an untrustworthy scumbag.
benuntu 8y ago
YES, this! I had been seeing this girl for about 3 months. Good looking, has her own money, incredibly hard working in bed, etc. But the deal breaker for me is the shit she would talk about other people that were "lower" than her. Girls and guys, didn't matter, she just had nothing good to say. And of course those who were "higher" than her were gods that could do no wrong.
gonorealover 8y ago
This is EXACTLY how women truly are in our society .
This needs to be seen and reminded to everyone on TRP
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benuntu 8y ago
You can be confident and not be an asshole. You can be honest about you're willing to provide in a relationship, and tell a woman to take it or leave it (IDGAF). You can be authoritative, tell a woman what you want, and how you want it, and reward good behavior without being an asshole. You don't have to degrade yourself in order to get laid.
Sometimes I think a lot of people here on TRP lacked a solid male role model in their life. I've known a few strong, honest, and proud men. Worthy of respect from both men and women. They weren't assholes but commanded respect and obedience. They didn't need schemes to get what they wanted. They didn't lie or cheat and their integrity gained them a reputation of trustworthiness in the community. THAT, to me, is true RP behavior.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Ask a woman, or for that matter, any non-Red Pill advocate, whether they consider "telling a woman to take it or leave it", "being authoritative", "telling a woman what you want and how you want it", "rewarding good behavior", and "commanding respect and obedience" something an asshole might do.
benuntu 8y ago
Well, when you say it like that it sounds so negative! I'd be more careful about my terminology if I was conducting a survey. Here's a more "PC" translation:
Authoritative = decisive leader
Saying what you want = honest and open, no bullshit Rewarding good behavior = reciprocating (good begets good, bad begets bad)
Commanding respect = self respecting, challenging partner, champion of his woman
We could also go to the flip side. If you ask women what qualities they like in a man, do most of them say: indecisive, submissive, sneaky, and insecure? Nobody likes those qualities, and especially not women when looking for a man. And the track record among women proves what they are looking for.
cruelironage 8y ago
Hell if you treat them like they are precious princesses they just get mad inside. They think you're a fucking idiot for treating them like something they are not, and they're right! Treat them like the dirty sluts that they are. That's what they are. So treat them that way. No way any woman can respect an idiot so don't be one.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
There's a difference between treating a slut as a slut or treating a spoiled princess as a slut. And then there's treating a woman as a slut even when she didn't deserve it.
We're in the animal kingdom, but we've evolved away from that into civilized society.
Anyone outside of redpill who reads this will say "see look, this is red pill misogyny..." And they'd be actually correct surprisingly.
If you don't believe me... Read this thread again, but this time replace every female pronoun with male and how men deserve to be treated terribly. It would be called misandrist by EVERYONE IN THIS subreddit. This is the kinda post that almost gives ammunition to feminazis and SJW idiots. Redpill is meant to be about strategy, all I'm seeing here is hatred and unfair bad-treatment for women being discussed by OP. Like as if he's still in anger-phase.
This is just a shitty post to oversimplify and explain complex interactions to mistakenly explain that treating people who are treated well, fairly (badly), results in sex... The sex is only there because they think you are more valuable than them. That's it. It's a value difference.
If you genuinely treat someone bad for no particular reason other than that they are a woman and they love you more for it, then you've in essence manipulated them like a psychopath. You treat women, the way they deserve to be treated... If they're a spoiled brat, they must be put in their place. If they're immature, they must be treated like a child. If they're evil, then they must be treated with evil. But not on the basis that they are a woman.
Let a fat lard-ass, loser act in a terrible way to a hot women... Watch the lard-ass get dumped. Hot women have options and abundance mentality too.
Don't lull yourself into a fantasy where treating women badly, just because they are a WOMAN (with this post comparing them to snakes?) ?? Leads to sex. Treat women like you do men... that's what gets you sex.
Not sure why some people want to distort "stop putting women on a pedestal", "stop giving them free commitment", and "stop giving them free shit" into "just treat them like evil snakes who deserve it for being born a woman."
If girls are mostly acting like bitches the problem is in the sexual market, there is too much demand for hot women, and too little supply. It's economics. They act terrible because they get away with it. You don't let them get away with it... EVER... but you don't also treat them like utter shit just because they had the dumbfound luck of being born a hot woman.
EDIT: Some confusion here, people are confusing what "treating people like shit" means. To me, treating people like shit, is violently abusing them or verbally disrespecting them and hating on them all the time... I'm not talking about playful teasing. I'm not talking about "treat them like less value", which can have positive effects on ANY gender, that's just sexual dominance. Women constantly treat men like less value and it sometimes works for them too.
down_with_whomever 8y ago
I largely agree with you except that I think you're reading something into /u/Archwinger 's intention that is not what he meant. I've read all of his TRP posts and he is not the "fuck women they're stupid bitches i hate them" type.
I think a large part of his post that is meant to be understood but not explicitly stated is that
See, it's that phrase "treat [a woman] bad." That's the sticking point. The expectations for how women are supposed to be treated are so vastly overinflated and out of sync with reality that to treat a woman in a normal way, i.e. in a way which is contextually appropriate and in line with HER own behavior, is now considered to treat her "bad."
Even we at TRP are guilty of this. The OP talks about this - we fuck them and dump them and we feel, hey maybe this isn't right. Maybe we're supposed to give them more. Because we were taught our whole lives that women are morally better than us and they deserve more than we do. We don't have this assumption about our interaction with men. The fact that we gave them our time, attention, and our sexuality to get access to their time, attention, and sexuality should be a fair trade but it still feels like not enough to us, we feel we're supposed to give them more because we've been taught our whole lives that as men, our time, attention, and sexuality are worthless. Part of TRP is about rejecting this indoctrination that we as men, and our interests, are worthless and must be suppressed on behalf of the whims of any woman at any time.
In your edit, you say that "treating like shit" means
but that has precisely zero overlap with anything that anyone here on TRP is talking about. You will never find TRP advocating violent abuse. Never. Not even hinting at it. And "verbal disrespect," once again, falls into the category I was describing above - that the entitlements society place on women are so enormous that treating a woman as an equal is considered disrespect, not getting down on your knees and sucking up to her like a subservient faggot is considered abusive.
I think OP is 100% right. Am I ever violent with a woman? Never, not even once. Do I shout at them? Nope. Do I disrespect them? To my standard of "respect," no. I'm honest, and I'm direct, and I don't put up with bullshit. I keep my own priorities in mind and don't sacrifice my own desires or my own dignity to placate women.
But the problem is that our culture considers that "disrespect." And I think you've fallen into this trap of thinking as well.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
But they're not.
So he should phrase it THIS WAY, rather than saying "just treat them like shit because they deserve it."
Yeah and that's exactly what Archwinger should have wrote.
Again I don't think this entitles YOU to do the pendulum opposite: treating her with constant disrespect and hatefulness.
That's how I interpreted "treat them like shit".
I think Archwinger just needs to improve his writing and express it more clearly, "I just mean to treat them like you would a man, compensating for the entitlement women show today..."
bizmarck 8y ago
This is the wisest thing I've read here in a while.
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AcrossHallowedGround 8y ago
I do agree with what you're saying, but my main take away from this personally was the line where he says you don't take the time to judge other men based on their merit, and women want to be equal. TBH if someone gives you no reason to value them, then they have no value, other than that default human value. That doesn't mean you should go around being a shitty human being, but you shouldn't go out of your way to be nice to people if they're being shitty. And a lot of people these days are shitty. Not just the women.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Right but that's not the message I got from OP.
We should be judging people based on their merit and behavior, while being cautious of their potential.
Cautious of not only women's capability to cause damage. But also compensating for their sexual market value (abundance) and entitled upbringing.
So it might even seeeeeem like I am treating women worse, but I'm really treating them fair. Not because they happened to be born with advantages but if they are taking advantage of people.
I treat manginas, SJWs, and feminazis much worse than someone who is simply a woman. It's all about the value differences.
redpillcynic 8y ago
Fuck. Men and women are NOT EQUAL. Still plugged in
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Didn't say they were. Read properly please.
garrettruskamp 8y ago
Damn I love comments like these that analyze the consequences of actions and evaluates how this post would transition into practicality. Thank you for keeping us down to earth. New trpers need things simplified at first, but it seems that they do not understand that blanket statements were made and just blindly follow trp posts as law without evaluating the information for themselves and applying it to their own specific lives.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Yeah we gotta raise our standards a bit. Nuance should be encouraged. Oversimplification doesn't need to be encouraged and they could only belong in a "TL;DR"... But outside the TL;DR... complex and correct analysis should be rewarded.
garrettruskamp 8y ago
Or some sort of disclaimer tag of what should be assumed when reading posts. Such as when we say AWALT, it does not literally mean ALL women but instead, at the very least a majority.
rife_omeqa 8y ago
The underlying message behind AWALT isn't so much that literally every woman on the planet is the same in that X is true. AWALT is a reminder that no woman is immune to X and that no woman is above the actions of any other.
Not all women are like that, but they all fall somewhere on a very slim spectrum. Not all women cheat but they'd all cheat for someone. Not all women would become a hooker for $1,000,000 or suck a dick for $1,000,000 but all of them would for some amount of $ or for some particular reason.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
I prefer 70WALT... 70%... but it isn't really uh... trending...
Whisper 8y ago
Except for one tiny, inconvenient fact:
Treating them like utter shit works.
You speak as if women's behaviour is the completely rational result of market forces, while men's behaviour is complete freewheeling and irrational and has no relation to the market at all.
Manipulating women like a psychopath works because women love psychopaths.
In fact, men acting like psychopaths is a response to high demand for psychopaths by women. This is raises the price, and men are attempting to cash in on that by supplying more psychopaths.
If women don't want to be treated like utter shit, all they need to do is stop having sex with men who do precisely that. Whether women "deserve" it or not has nothing to do with anything. It's a complete non-sequitur.
If you reward male psychopathy with blowjobs, you get more male psychopaths, because men like blowjobs. End of story.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
Can vouch. I had a plate post deployment. Used to treat her horribly. I never even called her by her real name, used to call her the 'dog walker' because she would walk dogs in spare time. Kicked her out of my place as soon as I was 'done' etc.
At one point, even I broke character, and asked why she let me treat her like this. She never did give an answer. Great sex though, and she always came back.
She was the only one I could text and have her stop by will little to no notice.
Methinks this is women arguing for validation, or nu-males arguing to prove their worldview right. In no where is it attached to reality
antariusz 8y ago
His only error was in assuming that being a psychopath is a bad thing.
Women don't think so.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
say what you will about them, they understand opportunity cost, and lack of social restraints on behavior better than anyone, and bring to the forefront the idea of 'personal responsability' for your own well being.
If they are walking you into shit you didn't want to do, chances are the fault is with your inability to function as an adult, them being a dick just gives you an excuse to do nothing about it
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Women are attracted to confidence, fearless dominance, leadership qualities, protectiveness qualities, dangerous-thrill qualities, cognitive empathy, men with ability to get women (dread), wit, humor, type-A personality, logic, and even sometimes emotional empathy (but less so, but I'm sure you've heard a woman say they really hate a man who treats the waitress badly).
What part of any of that "requires" a psychopath?
They are just traits... that a psychopath can have a good amount of.
It's the same reason why we like unemotional CEOs and leaders.
But they don't ACTUALLY have to be a psychopath. They don't have to LACK empathy, they just have to not utilize empathy in unreasonable and emotional ways.
A lack of empathy, willingness to be an asshole and willingness to be dishonest and manipulate is a disease: psychopathy... Choosing to act on empathy is a choice.
You know what's funny? A lot of women say that someone acting nice to them for sex... is manipulative... yeah. They liken that to psychopathy.
You're confusing Alpha & leadership traits with psychopathy. (there's simply overlap and I do grant you that psychopaths do get success)
gonorealover 8y ago
Are you really this stupid and simple-minded ? All those aforementioned traits you listed can only held by a true psychopath . A normal man can never acquire them and live more than a week without turning into a psychopath.
You sound like a female posters who can't even comprehend the basics of a topic.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
So if it doesn't matter, why advocate for one approach over the other?
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Because being a psychopath is a mental illness. Being immoral about the way you conduct sexual relations is destructive and it can even bite you in the ass.
You may be a psychopath, serially cheating on women, and then one women decides to get back at you, gets her crazy brother on you to attack you, or tells the cops you hit her... yeah being an actual psychopath isn't smart. It's dumb. It's selfish. It's short-term thinking.
It's how a lot of entitled selfish women act. It's a teenager's way of viewing sex.
garrettruskamp 8y ago
Not necessarily. If you walk up to a woman and call her a dumb slut and insult her, you'll get nothing 9 times out of 10 if she's even close to your attractiveness. Being a sort of playful asshole and not giving a shit is a more accurate statement than "treat them like shit." The course of action or applying these posts is not as obvious to everyone reading.
redpillcynic 8y ago
if you can't tell the difference you're a sperg
Whisper 8y ago
Do you know what the word psychopath means? Or are you trying to use it as a synonym for "rude"?
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
it means whatever I need it to mean to be 'right' silly.
garrettruskamp 8y ago
"a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior" is the first definition on google. That seems pretty ambiguous to me. My point was that you need a high amount of social prowess to know what to do depending on the situation
TheLongerCon 8y ago
You should use the DSM
Antisocial personality disorder (also known as dissocial personality disorder, psychopathy, and sociopathy) is characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others. An impoverished moral sense or conscience is often apparent, as well as a history of crime, legal problems, and/or impulsive and aggressive behavior.
1MillionTinyHorses 8y ago
Psychopaths lure week victims in to manipulate to their twisted desires of rape, torture, and murder, which is why their victims are often empaths and children.
Many women love jerks, which is somewhat akin to the weak willed victim and psychopath relationship, but the overstated generalization of psychopathic traits being a technique that "gets gurlz" is just nonsensical pop-psychology.
Whisper 8y ago
Okay, so you don't know what a psychopath is, and are relying on the pop-psychology definition.
That's just lazy. You wouldn't even have had to read the DSM-5 to get a good enough definition. The wikipedia article is even close enough:
In other words:
Quite simply, psychopaths are people with an absent or highly diminished social inhibitory response, the thing that underlies colloquial concepts like the "conscience". Freud, the first true psychologist, called this the "super-ego", although other names and concepts of it are more fashionable now.
Psychopaths are distinguished by their reduced tendency to feel any, or all, of the following: guilt, shame, fear, remorse, pity, empathy. Some psychopaths are reduced in all of these, others in only some.
1MillionTinyHorses 8y ago
I stated behavior tendencies, not a definition.
Which can lead to the atypical behavior of a psychopath that I stated. There are what is considered "functional psychopaths", yet there is a reason for the stereotype being what it is as 25% of males in prison are psychopaths, and even the functional ones make questionable choices.
Psychopathy is not something you can pick and choose; you are either born a with psychopathy, or you are not. Certain extreme cases of neglect and trauma can lead a person to having Antisocial Personality Disorder, what some call "secondary psychopathy", yet these individuals are often more erratic as they have less control over their emotions.
Treating a women with disregard may result in being more successful with women, but this is not psychopathy. Less than 1% of the population is a psychopath. The term is overly propagated and misused for dramatic effect. Summerizing a Wikipedia article does not change this.
[deleted] 8y ago
ALL women are sluts. AWALT
treating women badly works all the time, gtfo.
All we are is clothed beasts.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
That's meant as a warning. You're cautious of ALL women because they ALL have the capacity to be sluts or disloyal. Prepare your anus to be cheated on.
Don't pretend any girl is a unicorn or an angel, they could all abandon you... Much like how male friends can abandon you at your worst hour just because you develop a mental illness, become depressed, or lose your job/money.
That doesn't mean treat them like shit all the time.
Tell me the time when a girl rejected you at a bar and you replied "fuck you bitch, you're a dirty worthless slut..." Has that pickup ever worked for you? But it's treating them badly.........shouldn't it work?
[deleted] 8y ago
No. & true, men can be disloyal to. The difference is, there's disloyal men and loyal men. It isn't in women's biological make up to be loyal. It goes against their sexual strategy. I don't treat girls like shit all the time, I just never take them serious, tease them, never respect them, and don't give a shit about them. Which is interpreted by them as asshole behavior. & fair enough. I wouldn't do that if a chick rejected me, that's insecure. I'd just smile and move on to the next bitch.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
I don't think it's as simple as "disloyal men" and "loyal men" and "all women are disloyal."
I think it's more the difference in economic supply and demand in the sexual marketplace.
How many of these "loyal men" will "stay loyal" if they are approached by tons and tons of hot chicks DEMANDING sex while they are in an LTR?
Plenty of guys cheat too... In fact, if we calculate online cheating, AshleyMadison proves at least online, more men cheat than women. But let's say women cheat more in real life and don't need AshleyMadison. So in essence, it's likely that the numbers are very even, with maybe an edge to women who cheat more because they are just sought after at a ratio of 4:1 (4 different age groups constantly going after the same 20-year-old women).
Another thing is, psychologically women are more the whip when it comes to things like religion. They whip their family to church. Their loyalty can be even more emotionally bonded than men who care more about logical value and logical advantage.
I don't know which gender is "more loyal", but there are other variables confusing us here... But we should act as if anyone can cheat on us at any moment.
We complicate matters more, we self-select disloyalty... We find girls on online apps and in bars... Places where disloyal Machiavellian people would be more likely. A nice loyal girl could be single for a lot longer in the year, just by their behavior and places they hang out, than a disloyal slut hanging out at the bar. Then another variable confuses it further... if they're hot they're more likely to cheat, just as hot men are more likely to cheat. And everyone goes after hot people.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I'll play devils advocate... again.
This can definitely be seen as hypocrisy but while Archwinger post is very much charged, remember he's speaking from intuition and experience. You might not agree with him but at least respect that he's coming from a place of wisdom. He might speak with emotional flair but at it's core it's from a deep understanding. This is common problem for anyone that's well versed in something. Expertise syndrome, which is the inability to articulate deeply understood beliefs or ideals.
I get what archwinger is getting at by reading his comments. It's a waste of time to invest in women, spend that time on yourself. It's better to treat women like they are all loaded guns but I'll respectfully disagree with the OP.
With a bit of experience it's not had to size up a woman and her value within the first few minutes of talking. I treat her by how she treats me and the value she presents. Just like a chick can tell within the first minute if she want's to fuck you or not, you can do the same with a bit of experience. I basically take the qualification stance. "you've got 5 minutes to prove your worth or NEXT".
It ain't hard.
Don't give bitches what they don't deserve. Unfortunately you can only learn what they deserve by fucking 10 to 20 of them and gaining experience. For those that haven't reached that level of intuition, heed archwingers advice till you figure out yourself, what you want from women and how to read their worth. This post is for newbies to protect themselves. Anyone with experience should be making their own decision anyways. Being your own alpha trumps following others advice. Use what fits you and discard the rest.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Yes, but I will criticize the post because it is exactly the ammunition feminazis look for to call people misogynist, because that is exactly what he expressed (even if he didn't mean to).
Archwinger should try to improve his writing if that was not what he meant to convey, because it sure sounded like he was saying that womens' false accusations means that we should treat all women terribly like as if they already committed such a criminally heinous act of perjury in court.
That's good.
Yes, that is the type of statements I expected from OP.
You can learn even from 1 of them about calibrating the way you treat women. Just date ONE very very spoiled princess and you'll learn how to tame them. But again it's not just "treat them like shit at all times like they are snakes..." but more like "calibrate, treat them as you would a man, based on their value, not overly nice, not giving them free shit, not being nice to them because they have a vagina, punish their aggression and lack of discipline..."
ItsTheHomeWrecker 8y ago
This is what MRA's activists get into - they try to win battles using the same framework as feminists. They are care whether feminazis can use what they say against them.
It's been made clear by TRP mods that this sub doesn't buy into that. No writing to make TRP more palatable or PC.
Does Archwinger think women are less than men in every way except childrearing? Yes. Does he think we should treat them like their capabilities deserve? Absolutely.
They deserve to be treated badly because they don't match up. Why on earth would you treat a dog identically to a human? You never would, they don't match up to a human. A well behaved dog is not afforded equal status, merely better treatment then their badly behaved peers.
We don't hate dogs. We accept them as they are and treat them as such.
Archwinger isn't misogynistic - he doesn't hate women, just like he doesn't hate dogs. He does however treat them like they deserve to be treated.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
It's not palatable or PC... it's being correct.
You write something FALSE in TRP, you get called out. Stop trying to paint that as "PC" or "palatable."
The feminazis would find this post as ammunition, because they would be CORRECT... Just correct... Not "politically correct" or "politically incorrect".
I didn't say he was. I said his post gave advice that others would use to abuse women or treat them horribly.
"treating them shitty" is the WRONG ADVICE. Why can't you accept that? Can NO post on TRP ever be INCORRECT? Is everything submitted to TRP 100% correct every time??
That's misogyny. Women are not "less" than men in every way except childrearing. That's not backed up by any science. That's just utter bullshit.
This isn't a misogyny subreddit. This is a sexual strategy subreddit. Treating them like shit OR DOGS OR SNAKES, can ONLY be interpreted as INCORRECT sexual strategy. It doesn't work.
It works as well as... a serial killer holding a knife to a woman. Yeah abuse DOES work... Otherwise no one would abuse people. But it's still criminal and ILLEGITIMATE AND UNJUSTIFIED SEXUAL STRATEGY.
Just accept that Archwinger (which he has many great posts) is wrong this time or badly wrote something.
ItsTheHomeWrecker 8y ago
No you are incorrect. You are operating in modern societies frame of what is acceptable and what is not. Have a word with yourself.
It is strange the mods have not called out Archwinger for 'incorrect' information and have endorsed and stickyed many similar threads. TRP is exactly what I wrote, it's just too unpalatable for you to accept at the moment.
I'd suggest reading only the posts and comments of endorsed members for a while.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Talking about women as inferior, is not about acceptability, it's literal unfairness and injustice.
If you were born a woman, you wouldn't tolerate it.
Honestly, I think that people interpret endorsed posters (or longtime posters) and give them the "benefit of the doubt" and re-interpret their writings in a way that they would view it as innocent even when it is clearly incorrect.
It's reputation-based love. Because archwinger has a reputation, we basically interpret his writings favorably, even if he said something wrong in post #112, but said a lot of correct things in posts 1-111.
I've already understood these concepts at a very deep philosophical level, I've learned from people who very much had said the same things as TRP before TRP even existed years before. They're not talking about new concepts. They're talking about ancient wisdom that's been around through logic and evolutionary biology for centuries.
The only new stuff is how it's clashing with modern society and political correctness.
But please understand, that many endorsed posters make good posts. Many posts in TRP are good. But you gotta be careful with your words.
And you have to BE HONEST... Honesty requires that you say "treating women like shit" is not the correct way to phrase our TRP tactics because it's not truthful. We don't treat women like shit. We treat them as society and biology dictates to give us MEN an advantage in sex.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
And when you're changing your behaviour because of what a womans reaction would be... what does that say to your frame?
If you act, fucking own it, otherwise, STFU
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
You don't live in a vacuum. Everything you do in the redpill world is you doing things that create a positive reaction.
You dread game, to get a different reaction from the woman you plate.
I have absolute frame. It's completely within frame to have good PR relations with the rest of the world.
Giving feminazis ammunition and giving them a "common enemy" that they can show to the blue-pill society... that's a recipe for disaster for man's laws. That's a way for feminists to start solidifying those unfair laws against men. All they have to do is say "oh no, that's a redpill thing... you know... misogyny."
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KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
I don't see the advantage to giving feminists or even normal people who can spot misogyny, an advantage.
Blunt generalizations are one thing, advocating that we treat all women terribly at all times, is misogyny and I don't think it helps anyone.
What's the point of saying something that's not true?
Treat women like children, great advice.
Treat women like you do men, great advice.
Treat all women like shit because they are like snakes that deserve it... bad advice.
Simple.
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lurkingtacopiller 8y ago
Just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on AWALT?
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
That all women have the capability, potential, probability, to hurt or betray you in some way. That they all are capable of deception, manipulation, emotional abuse, disrespect, that comes with the fact that 20s-year-old women have great advantages in modern society. That a good majority of women act in certain ways or behavioral traits.
The point is to warn people, because so many are in bluepill mindset where they innocently imagine fairness in sexual relations.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
very good description of psychopath btw, except for the part where you make it dick centric...
She doesn't give a shit about betraying 'you' or hurting 'you'
you aren't part of the equasion
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Not every woman is out to betray you.
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KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
The point is, there's a limit to how much asshole you can be. Understanding the unfairness, imbalance of genders, and other circumstances, doesn't mean you should hurt others.
It's more nuanced rather than black and white.
Redpill requires calibration not just turning on asshole-turbo-mode.
rexted23 8y ago
Wtf is this unicorn seeking white knight bullshit doing in trp? A "fat lard-ass loser" who treats women like shit will still be orders of magnitude more successful than an average guy because he's not putting pussy on a pedestal. There's no point in going out of your way to look for unicorns when 99 percent of women are dumb worthless whores.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
You'd be surprised, even betas who put women on pedestals end up getting sex... Certainly if a fat lard ass gets dumped for being an asshole, then he's gonna have a lot harder time getting a new woman than the good looking beta.
rexted23 8y ago
Guys don't get dumped for being assholes, they get dumped for not having high enough SMV. Most betas get some sex, but not nearly as much as guys who don't put pussy on a pedestal.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Plenty of girls don't get dumped for being assholes, just because they're hot skinny blonds.
That doesn't mean anyone respects them for it. That's just the power of sex over behavior.
SMV is the ultimate factor.
But yes, behavior ISSSS a 2nd priority factor. So yes, you can get dumped for just being an asshole even if you are hot enough to fuck.
If they don't dump you for your incredibly shitty behavior... That's because they lack options. All it will take is a slightly nicer alpha attractive chad, and you're gonna get screwed over.
rexted23 8y ago
Lol. What the fuck is this blue pill bullshit? Niceness has literally nothing to do with attraction. In fact it actually holds you back. Being a dick is a net positive for getting pussy. There's no such thing as a nice alpha chad.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
SMV being primary is bullshit?
There absolutely is plenty of alpha chads who are nice.
Maybe you're confusing being a dick with being teasing and having your own opinions about shit. That's just regular alpha behavior, not "being a dick".
rexted23 8y ago
What would you consider being a dick then? Usually when I hear women complaining about guys being "dicks" it's just them trying to hamster away their attraction to alpha behavior.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Shit... I just realized I've been a dick all my life, just because I state strong controversial opinions.
To me, being a dick was like "fuck you're an ugly slut, I can't believe I ever go on dates with you..."
This explains why my latest ex called me a dick and her male beta orbiter called me a douchebag... that was a bit strange...
[deleted] 8y ago
Exactly what iI'm saying. I hate that trp is getting a influx of these faggots in. Keep the bp shit out.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
SMV is primary. Behavior is secondary.
You're a fatass you're gonna get dumped sometimes regardless of how you behave.
Acting like an asshole isn't gonna save your lard ass.
TRP is getting an influx of sociopaths who think being an asshole means they don't have to self-improve and calibrate, or lose that extra fat.
[deleted] 8y ago
I agree. Im just saying, If you have two fat guys. One is a nice pedestalizer, one is a rude asshole who doesn't give a fuck about women. Obviously they're still fat. Even if the asshole doesn't get much, hell still get more than the nice guy. And nah you always gotta self improve and lose the extra fat. Once my mom ungrounds me, I need to get in the gym asap. What do you mean by calibrate tho?
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Of course people would prefer the honest asshole to the dishonest pedestalizer... Women like honesty.
Like an animal... I know that this lion is an asshole, so I treat it with respect and I don't anger it... I know what he is.......but he's so beautiful with his wonderful lion hair and crazy muscles and amazing teeth, I just want him as my pet.
This little puppy tho is always nice to me... does everything I want. Love to have him around, but i have to take care of him and I don't admire him, I treat him as my child who's cute...
By calibrate I mean, that your behavior should be a mix of being nice when you need to, while being mean when you have to. It's called leadership. It's called alpha. You viciously attack injustice and unfairness. But you reward good behavior with rewards and appreciation.
It's psychological Operant conditioning. It's how good parents, good leaders, good secretaries of state (or foreign ministers), good boyfriends/husbands, must behave. It's all carrot and stick.
If giving you sex gets her results, she's gonna opt to give you sex, instead of opting to berate you for not doing something. If giving you arguments gets her good results, then she's gonna fight with you to get her results.
Same reason why we soft-next or hard-next a girl, who is not performing to our expectations.
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Oh okay, I understand. Thanks for clearing that up. I dunno if I'd add the morals of justice and unfairness to alpha tho. There's immoral alpha dudes.
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True. But an asshole lardass will still get more female attraction than a nice lardass.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Perhaps that's because the asshole isn't treating her like a princess...
It's not that he's being an asshole, it's that he's behaving like the girl is of equal or lesser value... Not because he was being a dick.
Also can't ignore the plenty of nice lardasses who are married and have been for a long time. Even if they don't get sex every week, they might be having more sex than some bitter asshole fatass who is hard to tolerate being around.
There's a limit to how much asshole someone can take. People call me asshole all the time, yet I think I'm quite nice and fair to people. If they're getting pissed about that, imagine how much people would hate me if I was REALLY AN ASSHOLE.
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Behaving like the girl is lesser value is being a dick. Whether you're the aloof indifferent or the obnoxious asshole. Either way works. Asshole works more.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
The girl lesser value is dominance. Sexual dominance. Women do this all the time, "oh do my homework" or "oh hold my purse" or "i'm the best girl you ever dated"... Might even be a little dickish or pompous. Showing higher value.
Being an obnoxious asshole would be verbally berating people and constantly making them hate you by disrespecting them. I highly doubt that translates into seduction.
Just give me some examples would you?
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I can't think of any right now honestly.
rexted23 8y ago
I've seduced girls by verbally berating them all the time. That's an important aspect of game.
balalasaurus 8y ago
Sounds like you're the one living in a fantasy. Specifically the fantasy that women are inherently good.
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They're inherently evil IMO. Female void, male light.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
No I said treat them like men based on their value, behavior, psychology, where did I say inherently good?
I treat them as I do men, except with calibration/compensation for their vaginal advantage and princess upbringing.
balalasaurus 8y ago
You can't treat them like men because that assumes that they behave to the same standards. They don't.
The hamster is a powerful thing. Women can absolve themselves of responsibility in ways that can make your head spin. Believing them capable of the same rational thought as men is as dangerous as assuming that they are inherently good.
Even compensating for 'vaginal advantage' implies that you cannot treat them as men because that same advantage applies nearly always. Really there is no way to treat them but differently.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Have you been watching politics? Men do this ALL THE TIME.
Mental gymnastics is incredible throughout society. It's a problem.
I cannot convince the feminist mangina, nor can I convince the emotional 20 year old man, nor can I convince the emotional 20 year old woman, nor the fundamentalist fearmonger. They're everywhere.
If you're a woman and you can have sex with lots of great guys... wouldn't you do it? You might even make a post about how Machiavellian it is... It might even be rational. But it's certainly not loyal.
You see it more with women, probably because you date women... and because they are outnumbered 4:1 in the dating scene, as 50 year olds, 40 year olds, 30 year olds, 20 year olds, ALL these categories of men go after the 20 year old women. And that's PROBABLY what you date. That's just pure abundance mentality leading to disloyalty.
They are definitely capable of rational thought, they just have more estrogen and emotions and emotional baggage, and way more abundance mentality than most men.
balalasaurus 8y ago
Man it seems like your going through some gymnastics of your own. On the one hand you talk about how the number of women relative to men makes it seem like they less rational but then you concede that their very nature is what increases the likelihood of being irrational.
You're trying to reconcile a biological fact with a straw man argument and seem unable to register the incompatibilty. If you want to treat women like men then by all means go for it. Let us know how it goes.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
It goes well.
Yes they have advantages, yes they are more emotional... how does that justify treating them like shit? At best it justifies treating them with much more caution and looking out for red flags and then disciplining those red flags instantly using operant conditioning.
That's not gymnastics. That's cold calculated logic.
How is punching a girl going to get them attracted to you? I'm sure it has worked... But would you want a fucked-up girl who takes that abuse and does nothing about it?
How is insulting and disrespecting them every day and telling them they are worthless whores... helping you get more sex? If it's getting you more sex, maybe that woman is psychotic and needs psychotherapy for taking your abuse...
Tell me how treating anyone like utter shit has ever gotten you anything? Sometimes they take the abuse for a while and then they abandon you and completely cut you out of their life. So if it worked for you, maybe it worked temporarily before they dumped you.
You're also playing with fire... I saw someone once treat a girl like utter shit, and you know what happened? She said she was gonna lie to the cops that he hit her...Yeah... You're playing with fire when you treat people like shit. Sooner or later they get tired of the damage you are dishing out on them.
People do not respond well to emotional or physical damage... Occasionally shit like stockholm syndrome works, but that person is psychologically damaged and dependent. It's a toxic relationship.
She's rewarding you for your bad behavior, and you're punishing her for her good behavior? How is that anything but a dysfunction?
balalasaurus 8y ago
You're confusing treating someone like shit and abusing them. One is misogyny and the other is simply not giving a fuck. I suggest you re-evaluate and study the two for your own sake.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
We seem to have a difference of definition. Abuse and treating someone like shit is a synonym for me and many others.
Treating them like shit = abuse
Treating them like they are of less value = sexual dominance.
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What'swrong with misogyny? II'm a misogynist and it works for me.
rexted23 8y ago
Women don't act like men though. They act like spoiled selfish whores.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
A lotta hot men with a lot of options also act like selfish whores.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
no one here is fucking those men, nor wifing them up.
You could argue lions are selfish pricks when eating zebras too... doesn't really factor into rule 0
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
So the lion can eat as many zebras but the zebras can't eat too many plants?
rexted23 8y ago
It's impossible for any man to have that many options without providing at least some value. Unlike women, men aren't seen as valuable just for existing.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
So again we come to the supply-demand problem I discussed.
Imagine for a moment a society where women outnumber men 4 to 1 and that the hormones are reversed, that women have higher testosterone than men.
You can see how instantly the society would create highly efficient women, who have value, who have resources, who have intricate skills, humor, intelligence, etc., while the few men are just lounging around doing fun activities and getting drunk and all the women are constantly chasing them.
That's exactly our society. Women are the way they are and men are the way they are because of the conditions of our society. Mainly hormonal, biological conditions, that create and encapsulate the society and shape our culture, where women don't need to provide as much value as men.
But make no mistake... treating people like shit (to me, that's abuse) is not the same as simply treating women like they deserve less or to compensate for their spoiled behavior or immature actions. My point is not that you should treat men and women 100% equally at all times... Just that you shouldn't treat them like shit == you shouldn't abuse them.
rexted23 8y ago
So basically you're saying that if women were men than women would act like men? No fucking shit. My point still holds. No matter what the explanation is, women act like shallow worthless whores and men do not.
KhazarKhaganate 8y ago
Would you treat your best friend badly because of how many women he has sex with? Would you disrespect him for being handsome, tall, and muscular?
So how is that any different just because a woman is beautiful and has options and can be more sexual?
Because she's your girlfriend? Shit, why do you care so much... You should be such high value that her leaving or staying is completely irrelevant to you and your sexual life.
The only women you treat like shit is the woman who deserves it, and if she deserves it, she gets dumped anyway. Why would I reward a bitchy slut with sex?
slothsenpai 8y ago
Can anyone give me examples of what treating women like shit entails? I'm sure it wouldn't be as light as simply objectifying girls or as extreme as hitting and abusing women.
spaceythrowaway 8y ago
Alright guys, I've been onboard for a long time and I've contributed here as well, but come the fuck on. This isn't "red pill". This isn't ideal male behavior.
This is you justifying childish, shitty behavior.
This sub is going downhill. Where th fuck are you guys coming from?
LegoArcus 8y ago
Yeah, I can't help but agree. Especially since when, if asked to explain where they're coming from, their instant reaction is to downvote and be rude. Like, it's sort of ridiculous.
topapito 8y ago
Wow.
I can most certainly understand and agree with many parts of your post. But we don't need to grudge fuck them or hate them, or anything of the sort. Suffice it to say that we give them no special treatment which is in fact what they have been fighting for.
Protect your assets above all. Never, ever own expensive property in your name. Avoid having liquid money sitting in an account. Give up nothing in a divorce. If you have something to lose in a divorce, you've lost it already.
Do not apologize for having sex with a woman. I promise it doesn't hurt them unless you are doing something wrong. Treating them badly really means just not giving them anything to hang on to. Claw from you or use against you in the future.
I agree hate should really not play a part in this. OP, your post seems more of a way to justify this hate. It's unhealthy. You're right, for the wrong reasons.
BigSteroidMuscles 8y ago
There's been a ton a woman hate in the damn sub lately.
If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at all the Beta-ass guys who let this happen. Men used to have all the power and gradually we came to let women have more and more of it (men and women both vie for power). The difference is women aren't "supposed" to get what they want whereas men are. Women, for the most part, have more power than ever yet are the most upset they've been in recent history.
TLDR: Don't blame women for wanting power. Blame the beta-ass guys who gave it to them. Also, ease up on the women hate bud. You seem unhappy.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
Man I am one hundred percent with ya. I compare it to the Walking Dead scenario. The group tries to survive like the old societal book has taught them. It doesn't work and people end up dead and hurt.
After a while the survivors become relentless (but don't lose themselves, they remain loyal and humane towards each other and those who deserve) they don't trust on sight. They deploy 110% violence on any threat.
After a while Rick the main protagonist meets an old acquaintance whom he met at the beginning. This man knew the beta male nice guy Rick version and asked him what happened. Rick, now a hardened survivor and leader tells him simply:
"I don't take chances anymore"
He's not mad or scared. He simply accepted that he had to live by these rules to secure safety and happiness for his group.
Same towards women. We have to, they deserve it, we don't take chances anymore. Let them suffer in whatever capacity they end up. It's not our responsibility anymore.
TomFoo 8y ago
In other words, all guns are loaded.
Then you arrive at all women are like that.
iLLprincipLeS 8y ago
Here is a quote from the 1st post in the sidebar:
We are at war, sleeping with the enemy. And everything is fair in love and war.
We survive to fight. And we fight to live.
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Rick says to hill top leader "Confrontation’s never been something we had trouble with.” Bad Mo Fo
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MoneyStatusLooks 8y ago
I never thought I would see a walking dead analogy on TRP. Well played.
MuzakNinja 8y ago
Just wait and see where his attitude gets him when Negan enters the scene.
Except even Rick understands he's responsible for those who follow him. That's why Rick is a leader, and you are a worm.
Mithra9009 8y ago
I don't think he's rejecting responsibility of his influence on his other fellow redpillers. I think he's purely rejecting responsibility for the state of women. It's not a total abandonment of responsibility basically, just a selective trimming. Did I interpret you correctly?
MuzakNinja 8y ago
I'm not talking about his fellow redpillers, I'm talking about anyone who could potentially view him as a leader... female or otherwise.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
The more important question is if you understand, Feminist attack dog.
MuzakNinja 8y ago
I'm not a feminist and that's not an argument.
kinpsychosis 8y ago
... so treat them like assholes because they deserve it?
This statement makes you no different than feminists who hate on all men, you are missing the entire point of this subreddit, its about self improvement and the truth, not about hating women.
In fact, one of the very ideas is that don't blame society, it won't get you anywhere, just improve yourself and accept the world as it is.
papersheepdog 8y ago
And is the culture any one persons fault to hate on? Govcorp is taking the male role. Femenism makes it possible, with the beta under skirt and the household without real leadership. Pragmatism sure, but petty hate? There is already enough suffering.
Origami84 8y ago
I don't agree. This sub is about male-female dynamics. If you want to play them in a cooperative, healthy way you improve yourself and use game to have an happy, stable LTR or multiple short relationship.
Or, you can also feel resentment for all the bullshit you are supposed to pass trough, all the extra work you are supposed to perform just because you are the men, and decide to forget fairness and mutual happiness in favor of your personal goals. I am not in favor of this 2nd approach, but i understand it.
kinpsychosis 8y ago
The second approach is bullshit though, neither side will be happy.
As a man I am quite declarative of what I want and I quite often demand things the way I want them to be, because I respect myself more than enough to realise I don't need a girl to prove my self worth, ironically, me not caring what the girl thinks of me and doing what I want and not what she wants makes me more desirable.
The matter of the fact is, this isn't about hate, this is about self respect.
ColOfCloutties 8y ago
But that isn't as fun as circle jerking to an absurdly literal interpretation of AWALT.
johnchapel 8y ago
This sub fucking sucks lately
bluedrygrass 8y ago
In fact, this kind of reasoning is what lead our society to what it is now. You can, and should, act to change society, if you think there's something wrong. Another thing is if you are effectively powerless (and we are, imo; most people, even there, don't just accept the fact feminism and all the other plagues of society have been planned and pushed behind closed doors by the usual suspects)
But you're basically saying that if you see a dog tearing off a granny in front of you, you shouldn't do anything, but move on, and focus on something positive or some bullshit.
Bullshits. You remind me of the guy that posted here about how his girlfriend tried to steal his house from him, and how he didn't do anything at all, because he was still in love with her, but claimed he did so because he preferred to "focus on business amirite guys"
kinpsychosis 8y ago
What are you talking about?
Your logic is an inductive fallacy, you can't compare to the two of them.
If someone does shit to me, I take it out on them, I make them regret having crossed me, but if nobody did anything I won't do shit to them unless its deserved.
You think I think of the positives? Life is a shitty place, but that is what makes it all the more worth it when you get your shit together and take control of not just your life but everything.
You just have some shitty pent up anger because you couldn't get some and are justifying it as a reason to think you should hate all women.
TomFoo 8y ago
Please continue self improving as I continue to plow thru your failed tinder dates. More for me.
kinpsychosis 8y ago
What? You think I don't use the logic or tactics in this subreddit?
I am an asshole to girls, not because I think they deserve it or some self conflicted shit like that but rather because this whole being nice thing is putting dating and what not WAY out of proportion, I just decided not to be so nice and take things so seriously and be an ass to girls the same way I am an ass to my male friends and it works out.
TomFoo 8y ago
Sexual strategy is amoral. This is foreign to you because you're enslaved to logic and definition, to the black letter law. You've chosen the immoral path, you bad boy you, since your logic couldn't accept sexual strategy being moral and ethical. To you this sub absolutely has to be good or bad, right or wrong. Again, for you the OP and everyone who agrees with him must be good or bad, so you picked us haters, while you've saved yourself as a bad boy hero on his crusade for self improvement. You've bounded yourself by the lines in a coloring book, not reading in between them like one would in a literary masterpiece.
But whatevers, brah. To each his own. Pick up whatever from here you like, leave everything else. If it works out for you, then no need to debate with a "entire point misser / women hater" like me.
kinpsychosis 8y ago
What? As a way of life I don't even believe in right or wrong, I thing it is something that is based on your perspective and even then is nothing more than an illusion.
However, claiming that women deserved to be treated badly BECAUSE they automatically deserve it is idiocy, forget women, any social group in this context would scream absurdity.
always-be-closing 8y ago
This is why I'm much more sweet with girls 18-22, who are still students, and largely still have a "Daddy" in their lives who is not government or the employer, especially if they also have older brothers.
If there's some kind of male authority they can't fuck, but whom they can adore and love, and whose corrections they've received and tolerated, they're just worlds apart from other women.
Not all of them are raging feminazis, or 'career women' who have ceaselessly borne their vessels against the current, trying to be men.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
yeah younger girls hasn't seen much of the world yet... they are fresh and not fucked up yet
CopperFox3c 8y ago
Women definitely get worse as they get older. They become more demanding, even as they have less value to offer in terms of sexual attractiveness or fertility. And the current generation of women doesn't even know how to cook or do other domestic things ... I have plenty of money and a career, I don't need that in a woman. They essentially provide no value to my life.
This is largely why, even as a mid-30's man, I avoid women over 30. They are too much trouble, and not enough value ... and the worst of it is that they don't even realize it ...
Sawagurumi 8y ago
Black dragon recently had a couple of blog entries about women over 33. That they take much more time, money and work to get into bed, and a number of other disadvantages. What really came out for me is, why bother? http://www.blackdragonblog.com
Luckyluke23 8y ago
this is what the modern women is now, they forgot how to cook and be womenly, they fort so hard to be " like men" that now even men dont want them.
TheThingsIThink 8y ago
They add points to themselves for income and education. Women realize that men want shit like blow jobs and breakfast in relationships, but women need a power differential to want to provide that service. So don't expect a 30 year old with a masters in musical therapy to want to blow you unless your orders of magnitude above her.
She will in the honeymoon phase, but familiarity breeds contempt.
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Monogamy and relationships are such a joke.
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TomFoo 8y ago
Nope. I think of my mom who's in her 60s. She would completely be lost like a little child if it weren't for my old man.
Nice khakis btw, Jake from State Farm.
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
Men on this sub say women stop maturing emotionally at 18, whereas a man catches up when he's 27, but continues on maturing, leaving the woman at a "27-yr-old male" level of maturity.
That isn't true. Women keep maturing past 18, the pace just slows up a bit.
When a woman reaches 70, she is fully as mature as a 29-yr-old male. By 90, almost as mature as a 31-yr-old male!
So just wait 'til she's 130 and you will be surprised how sweet, kind, and wise she has become. Great in the sack, too, I'm sure.
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GunsGermsAndSteel 8y ago
The problem is this: YES, actually she CAN find a really good husband even if she is 80 pounds overweight, considers ordering pizza to be "cooking for the family", and has more mental issues than the lovechild of Charles Manson and Lizzie Borden.
Women under the age of about 50 have grown up their entire lives with this "all women are beautiful" and "you are a good person no matter what" horse shit. Very few of them have had it ingrained in them that to be beautiful they must pay attention to their bodies and to be considered a good person they must do good works.
In other words, for the majority of western women, accountability is not a thing, and there's no connection between cause and effect.
Men of this generation have ALSO been raised with the "all women are beautiful" notion, alongside the "all men are potential rapists" notion. So they're brainwashed too, and they'll take a wife who's a fat, lazy fucking bitch, because they are not aware that they have a right to demand better.
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GunsGermsAndSteel 8y ago
Men no longer know what they want. Men have been brainwashed to believe that their own desires are not relevant and that their prime directive is to please a woman.
Il128 8y ago
I'm 50 and I'm amazed at the number of women 35-50 who can't cook and have no idea how to take care of a house.
I can't tell you how many women's places I've walked in to that were filthy pig sties. It was obvious that they hadn't changed their bed sheets in over a month.
I always ask how they can live like that and 90% of the time they say, my X and I had a maid.
Beautiful women these day have nothing to offer a relationship. For some reason the actually believe that allowing a man to serve them is plenty to offer.
I just pump and dump the bitches. Just like the dozens if not hundreds of men before me did.
the_strasburger 8y ago
Pussy is the only commodity they have left and even that depreciates very rapidly.
Benny757 8y ago
You too? Holy Christ, 52 here and I've been to these gals places too. A hell of a mess. Scatter-brained thinking as they swing their arms in the air and yell "I'm gonna ride the alimony pony till the very end!" Sung in sing song of course. Sickens me. I almost started defending the pathetic ex on that one....
aanarchist 8y ago
i've noticed this myself, they think it's a privilege for the man to serve them. i read one article even where the man was a willing cuckold and felt it was a privilege to be a part of his wife's life, like she was doing him a favor by fucking other men and expressing herself or some bullshit. it just makes no sense, and frankly it's kinda frightening how far we've fallen as a society, how warped and deluded people have become. it really makes me sick how many women seem to think that taking care of them is a privilege and not a sacrifice.
Entropy-7 8y ago
I turn 50 this year. While I have dated maybe 3 or 4 women EVER in the 35 to 40 age range, I now restrict myself to 26 to 34, and preferably under 30. I haven't encountered privileged snobs and aging princesses, but the older they get the more baggage they accumulate and the more difficult they are even as their looks and fertility fade.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
man, I'm 26 did not know there was so many over 50's here... it's pretty cool to know that people as old as that are still doing it.
Hman99 8y ago
lol whatever dude. I'm 51 and I bang hot 18 to 24 year olds regularly. I've never been with anyone over 30 in my life. I bagged over 60 new pieces last year alone including numerous 3 sums. If you have decent looks, a little game, and some money, the pussy never ends. Too be honest though, I miss having a LTR but, when I have an LTR I miss banging strange. So I guess the grass is always greener.
Entropy-7 8y ago
Hey, don't rush me! I still have another 7 months (or a year and a half depending on how you count it) before I am over 50.
I suppose the good news is that if you follow the advice here, you can look forward to another 30+ years of chasing and scoring pussy.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
well for me it's good to know because lately I have been feeling like I've " wasted" my 20's now i see it's just a " set up" for my 30's
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War2kali 8y ago
Shhhh. Mothering / taking care of kids is not a topic you will hear about here. The concept of love is also taboo.
always-be-closing 8y ago
Being a good mother to a man's children as his wife is absolutely something plenty of RP men value.
And you know what?
the 28 year old plate with 20 sexual partners who can't cook, goes into histrionics, spends too much, drinks too much, and is one nag away from getting a hard next isn't the kind of woman who makes a good wife or mother
RP condescension to the sort of women who routinely stay single and unmarried beyond 25 is on the basis of exactly those attributes that make them unsuitable for marriage, even if they're decent lays.
War2kali 8y ago
I agree with your list of negative traits - what I find ridiculous are the posts that explicitly claim 99%+ of women have those characteristics. Not constructive.
Bawson 8y ago
The truth may not be "constructive", very much in the same way that IQ and SAT results are "misogynist".
The concept of [romantic] love is not "taboo" as you put it- it's recognized as being biologically unattainable (see Tomassi's Iron Rule #6) due to differences in the way that men and women perceive and act on their respective versions of "love". Women are not biologically wired for romantic love any more than simple animals are wired for evil, for instance. It's just something they can't feel nor understand.
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new_user1147 8y ago
My god... I looked at your history. You are PATHETIC... I'd never been inclined to talk to someone like this online before. But seriously get some help. Or just speed things up and cut it off
MuzakNinja 8y ago
Why? Because you don't understand my fetish? That's your own shortcoming.
PumpDumpPumpDump 8y ago
True leader, huh? Alpha? A couple days ago you posted a pic of your wife holding another man's dick in a sub called "cuckold." You've got some kind of weird chastity box around your dick in the photo, too. Here's your comment on it:
"I take pride in being a good husband! We've been playing with chastity for about 5 years now, on and off. Over the past year we've really progressed more and more into femdom in general, and have finally moved into cuckolding in the past few months. The longest I've been locked up has been three months, but we find it works better for us if I'm just locked when we aren't together. It's easier for her to tease me that way. She also pegs me and is dead set on making sure I can orgasm anally."
So you let your wife sleep with other men, wear a metal cage on your dick, and let her fuck you up the ass with a strap-on. But you're going to talk to the rest of us about "being a man?"
I mean, you can be into whatever weird ass thing you're into. But people don't come to the Red Pill to learn how to love "femdom" and having your wife refuse to have sex with you for months at a time.
TheDialecticParadox 8y ago
This was totally inappropriate but I would be lying if I didn't say I pissed myself laughing.
TomFoo 8y ago
Rekt.
Did I say this rite? I'm old.
hores 8y ago
LOL. He's just letting those true colors shine through! Fucking hell.
MuzakNinja 8y ago
Ad hominem and irrelevant. What I do in the bedroom is my own business. I've explored both sides of just about every BDSM dynamic... a feat that can only be achieved with good leadership. It gets to the point where you fuck so much that vanilla gets boring.
Sure. When I'm not leading her around by a leash and pissing in her mouth. Aside from that, I really don't see what the issue is with swinging (Other than you being jealous, that is). Not everyone is confident and secure enough to explore sexuality to the fullest.
Stay in your comfort zone if you think that's what makes you an alpha. I'll be here having all kinds of kinky sex in all sorts of combinations with a bunch of different partners.
Absolutely. I'm successful and at the apex of every social group I'm involved with. I have integrity and a wife who is fucking devoted to me in ways you probably can't even comprehend. You're concerned with playing the game. I've beaten it.
You're just ignorant of the fetish. I can have sex with my wife at any time, if I were to choose to do so. In fact, I'm still the best lay she's ever had or probably will ever have. I'm the apex predator, and this is why I have the luxury of exploring any kind of sex I desire. It's no mystery to any of us involved that I can have any woman I want and transform her into a freak... just like me.
DaveZ-man 8y ago
My fucking god. I had to see it to believe it. I guess a true leader lets another man fuck his wife while he watches and takes it up the ass...
PumpDumpPumpDump 8y ago
They call it "leading from behind."
War2kali 8y ago
Well, if they focus on earning money and don't have to spend it on a family, they can afford good caretakers :) I agree with you, though. They are just following down the same path as one they scorn - the stereotypical woman with too high standards who ends up alone living with her cats. Same shit, different gender.
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Women need men though. Men do not need women besides sex or producing offspring.
War2kali 8y ago
The vast majority of men are in long term relationships with women, so obviously they have a need women are fulfilling.
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Yeah. Sex/companionship. You can lose that need for companionship, and then all you'll need is sex.
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We need more Men to have the courage of their convictions and to do the right thing as fathers when little suzy thinks she's going to becoming a doctor or attorney or whatever else she delusionally feels entitled to pursue in life. We need conscientious fathers explaining to their little cupcakes that she doesn't get to have everything she wants in life and that she has a role and it involves obedience, giving love and accepting that her purpose and value in life lies solely in her beauty and purity. That a pure vagina is the only goal she need concern herself with and that nursing babies is what she needs to dream about. Not being an emasculating career cunt. If I had daughters and they wanted to ride the cock carousel while pursuing a higher education that they have no business earning, they would be out on the fucking street like the whores they aspire to become. Women have no courage or ingenuity. While an 18 year old man would take that challenge and go off and forge his own empire, an 18 year old little girl has no options but to obey per the intellectual inferiority. They need to be given as brides the second they hit 18 and on their most fertile day to Alpha males who knock them up day 1 of wedded bliss so the dye is cast and her options neutered. For now, our feminist society has men completely too indoctrinated for this to be the norm but compliments of TRP I detect there may be a tide change on the horizon.
keepyourkeys 8y ago
Eh. Kinda retarded. The reality is it's completely realistic for a kid to be anything they want today, regardless of gender.
Don't be butt-hurt just because it puts them out of your league or whatever.
WGTOW too. Jesus. They are sovereign and if they want to waste their life who are you to interfere?
PemBayliss 8y ago
A few commenters are having some trouble with understanding the point of this good post.
Consider these passages, which are the heart of the post:
Now. Take a step back.
Consider how women have acted, and how they are acting now in today's western society.
Women put off marriage as long as they possibly can, so they can fuck as many hawt men as they can for as long as they can. They put off parenthood for the same reasons (unless they either get accidentally knocked up or are trashy single moms). If a single mom, she pushes out the baby as fast as she can and hops right back on the carousel. If a divorced mom, she collects that monthly chilimony check and gets right back out there cougaring it up.
She works 70 hour a week work weeks so she can afford that Louis Vuitton handbag and her annual week in Brazil/Monaco/Italy. She has all the stress, disorders and addictions that would go along with that. She drinks too much. She uses/abuses prescription drugs. She badmouths everyone around her. She complains about everything.
In other words, she acts a lot like a man. She fucks like a man (or like she imagines the top men do). She works like a man. She parties like a man - vacations, drinking, and late nights out.
So, treat her like a man. No special treatment. if she's an asshole, treat her like an asshole.
J_AsapGem 8y ago
This post got me fucking pumped, let's do this!
RealRational 8y ago
Fuck you, I'd put the kid down before the dog. If my dog bit a kid I guarantee that kid fucking deserved it.
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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
If they don't know better, does that make them equal... Or inferior?
If they're inferior, do you really owe them equality?
Infinitezen 8y ago
I believe in meritocracy; people should be treated better the more capacity they show or develop. Equality doesn't really exist in the real world, only in institutions and rule making. Biology has not made people equal, either, but I believe that those with natural talent have a moral obligation to at least make an effort to help other people better themselves. If they prove to be consistently evil and untrustworthy, then kick them to the curb. But lets be real here, I know plenty of men who don't amount to shit, and I've met plenty of women with morals and intelligence to spare. The goal should be to try and help as many people as you can, not scorched earth tactics to prevent yourself from becoming wounded. You can't achieve anything great without taking some risks.
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Sexual strategy is amoral.
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I know that. The whole point of this is self improvement, to understand women, and sexual strategy tho.
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I completely agree. Treat all women like the whores they are, never love them, give them any respect or trust. They are made for kids and fucking. That's it. Thats the only purpose for the female gender.
And women are fucking inferior. Why would you treat anything inferior with respect? All these egalitarian faggots don't understand how chaotic women are. They are inherently evil.
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I'm not angry, just a misogynist.
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Never forget YOU are the prize. When you consent to a LTR, you have electively chosen to put your natural prowess and mating strategy on hold to accommodate hers. All Men need to understand that that is the ONLY concession you make in regards to her. She forfeits frewill at that point and needs to be relegated to nothing more than an all access 3 holed toy for your amusement. Her wants, needs, goals, etc. get left at that fucking door when she enters your world and your frame. Everything they tell you that is so-called "emotional abuse" - well call the fucking waaaaaahmbulance because it aint. Demands for total obedience and sex on tap are the least this stupid bitch owes you. Never feel bad for inducing her crocodile tears.
If her class schedule is inconvenient for you - she drops it or you drop her. You owe her not one thing and it's incumbent upon her to make herself available to you at all times you need those balls drained. She has no life priority above you. period. Don't ever feel bad or qualify her ridiculous musings. Game the fuck out of all of them and throw back her shit tests like Jager shots.
For cunts that you're stuck masking your disdain for who you work with or have classes with - protect and promote your interests over theirs and to their detriment with complete ethical immunity. Professionally and academically annihilate them. Ruin them socially, sexually and professionally. Do it for sport and giggles.
Women do deserve it. Their life objectives and dreams are at complete odds with anything that could possibly make you happy or amused - so fuck with her within the complete letter of the law. Insider tip: They don't realllly like it when we treat them like shit. They just get emotionally embroiled when we bait and switch them and slowly snuff out their egos. They keep trying to patch their wilting self esteem which is why they hang on. They stay with assholes because of the social entanglement that's been created and because there's also a desire to save face publicly. Doesn't matter if being treated like shit is their flavor. They deserve every fucking second of it. Millenial men didn't get a choice in their being liberated strong mouthy entitled pieces of shit but we sure no how to exact a pound of flesh for our inconvenience. Enjoy the decline, gentleman.
bluedrygrass 8y ago
Damn straight. And well said. Women fuck people up just for their own amusement. Seen it in so many social aspects. At school, work, etc.
One of the reasons they enjoy so much evil men, is because they themself are naturally evil, and as such they can't not despise something good. Good equals weak and perverted for them.
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Exactly. Women have no real morals or compassion. They desire chaos, because they are evil chaotic emotionally hungry creatures. They are an emotional void that is never filled. They think they can be nice to women and still be alpha. "Alpha means confidence, not being an asshole" LOLLL
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Artisanpasta 8y ago
never understood this. I might not go out of my way to be nice to them, but being generally unpleasant just seems like a way to get 0 friends. Yes, women can be bitches. No, not all women are bitches.
no, never understood this either. You just disadvantage yourself in the long run. You might laugh at them or whatever but again being unpleasant is more of a disadvantage to you than anything else.
And I'm supposed to know this how exactly, when I have spent no time trying to evaluate them as a person?
Gotmilkyy 8y ago
Get the hell out of here. Nothing you said was of use.
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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
The time you spend individually evaluating every woman based on her specific circumstances and merits is a significant investment for an insignificant gain.
You're only going to live so long, and no longer. You should be more judicious with your use of time.
Artisanpasta 8y ago
then don't evaluate every women, evaluate the ones you're interested in.
In the same way, I don't spend time evaluating every guy i meet but I will look at my friends a lot.
Maybe it's my life inexperience showing, but when people say shit like this and then wonder why they end up dating skanks..... yeah.
32643264 8y ago
Youre actually agreeing with each other.
Hes not saying to evaluate all women. He is saying your default position to women should be AWALT. The true meaning of AWALT is not that they are literally all like that. AWALT just means assume the worst about them all and then evaluate on a case by case when it matters to you.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
This is the correct answer. Take this mindset and you'll quickly learn most women have 0 value to you.
When you focus solely on the negative it does create a bit of cynicism. But then you finally run across a half decent one and you're like, "holy shit, she's actually not a basic bitch".
The down side is this is a never ending staircase scenario. Ever girl you find of actual value just ups the notch one more tic for the next girl to come along. Your standards forever get higher and higher, you settle for less and less. You put up with less and less.
I'm still young so i don't know the end result but I assume very few women will interest me by the time i'm 40 or 50. Who knows though, I might value the youth and innocence more as I get older so it might reverse a bit.
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They all do need to pay for feminism in one way or another. They are all the beneficiaries of it whether they claim allegiance to it or not. As Rollo stated it never even occured to them that it isn't normal or appropriate for them to vote or have careers. Even the most conservative cunt believes she's entitled to these very tools that make her "Strong and Independent" They all deserve to be treated like shit because they all endorse a system that puts our balls in a vice. AWALT.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Many guys have spent a lot of time and effort holding out for good women.
But you seem special. I'm sure you'll get lucky.
Artisanpasta 8y ago
that's not what im saying, im saying it's the vibe i get from this sub.
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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Yeah. We're probably misogynists. I wasn't too sure about it until you did some grade-A investigating to figure this out for us.
Artisanpasta 8y ago
i suppose this is the "treat everyone badly" you were talking about.
you're twisting my words when im actually agreeing with you for the most part - except im advocating not being an arsehole
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I know I'm a misogynist. EEven before redpill, I fucking hated women and treat them all like shit. And whaddya know? They love me.
I do not care about being called a misogynist or how "wrong it is to hate women, you should just accept them". I do accept them. I accept female nature. Doesn't make me hate the useless walking orifices any less.
Whisper 8y ago
Your "vibes" and "feelings" are a matter of supreme indifference to us.
This sub is about sexual strategy. Anything we do is subordinate to that.
Which means that women, as a group, can have any behaviour they want from men, as a group. All they have to do is give themselves, sexually, to the type of man they wish to see more of.
And women have done so. They have risen up as a group and asked for more selfish jerks. So here we are. And it's awesome. You get to be a selfish jerk and you get sex and even love for it.
Artisanpasta 8y ago
i don't necessarily disagree, but I do think if you act like that you're going to attract the "wrong" kind of women - the women people on this sub complain about.
But hey, I have almost no life experience so please ignore me if you so choose.
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It works on all of them. There is no wrong woman.
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Whisper 8y ago
I understand what you're trying to say, but the misapprehension you are labouring under is that there are good and bad women, good women behave well, bad women behave badly, good women like nice, courteous, considerate men, bad women like jerks, etc.
There aren't "good" and "bad" women. Women are submissive (if you want to be PC, you can say "conformist").
They do what is expected of them by whoever they look to as the arbiter of values. This tends to be either a man they are with, a religious community or authority, or the group of women they socialize with. They're like water. They take the shape of the container they are in.
What you call "skanks" are simply women whose natural urges are encouraged, rather than channeled and restrained, by their social environment.
Everyone has urges to behave in antisocial ways. The difference is that men can be instilled with principles, which causes them to restrain their own behaviour (sometimes too much). But women cannot. So they can only behave in prosocial ways if there is a structure in place that rewards "good" behaviour, and punishes "bad" behaviour.
This means that sluts aren't a particular type of woman who occurs at random, as a percentage of a larger population. Sluts are ordinary women who were raised in an environment without slut-shaming.
And what you mistake for complaining about sluts is actually a strategy guide. We run down sluts constantly so that men who read will not feel protective of them or obligated towards them. Because sluts will use these feelings to lure men into committing to them.
There's nothing wrong with fucking sluts, but committing to sluts is a bad idea. And men don't want to do it, even before they're taught why it's a bad idea. Men only commit to sluts for two reasons:
They have few or no other sexual options, and are attempting to secure a more regular supply of sex (beggars cannot be choosers).
One of our goals as a subreddit is to protect men from these.
Artisanpasta 8y ago
like i say, my experience is pretty limited.
But when I look at older women around me who are more moderate and mature - my grandmothers, my aunts, my mother's friends - I see a totally different type of person than the people in this sub describe to me. I see women who have stayed loyal throughout their marriage, only to be cheated on by their partner. I see women who have worked hard in a career or are very grateful of their ability to stay at home and raise a family due to their husbands working hard.
good, of course. Men get a lot of shit especially in divorce settlements and legal stuff in general, and avoiding this is very good.
Whisper 8y ago
These are women who exist within a social substructure that reinforces good behaviour.
In fact, in a highly structured society, men are more likely to misbehave than women, because men are less controllable. The majority of men will behave prosocially until you ruthlessly punish them for it. But a small percentage will misbehave no matter what you do. Women, on the other hand, will behave themselves if manage and control them, but if you don't, they will all go bad.
So is TRP saying that your sweet old granny is really a horrible toxic rotten skank, in her heart of hearts? No, of course not. That would be silly.
We are saying that without the guidance of a patriarchy, she would more likely have grown into one. That's why it's the older women you see, who are more well-behaved. Because we exist in a society is transition from controlling women to letting them run wild.
This means that older a woman is, the more likely she is to have been raised right by a strong authoritative daddy who was the undisputed head of the household, and because she was raised right, she naturally gravitated into social environments that further encouraged feminine behaviour. And in the other case, the young generations are filled with daughters of single mothers and absent fathers, meaning a high percentage of toxic skanks.
But since men are attracted to young women, not old ones, we need to skank-proof these men. Because skanks are what's out there.
That's what you are seeing, here, is a series of lessons in self defense against an epidemic of whores.
So now that you understand what's going on, can you stop screaming "misogynist" and other nonsense feminist memetic weapons, and behave yourself, or do we have to have you thrown out?
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Read the sidebar, Jesus Christ.
TVTestPattern 8y ago
Guy you just restated what archwinger posted... and then criticized it for being the path to skankdom.
Artisanpasta 8y ago
no, i said being a dick to everyone was the path to skankdom.
that's the difference - i mean look at the fucking title ffs - "treat women badly because they deserve it". Not only is that a great (and pretty unfair) generalisation, he then goes on to justify that because he's a dick to everyone he should be a dick to women as well, and you shouldn't discriminate. Yes, I will avoid/be a dick to men/women who are twats. No, I will not just randomly be a dick to everyone who encounters me in the street.
I think this gets me the most - there is no reason to be a dick to ANYONE unless they have been a dick to you.
TVTestPattern 8y ago
When Arch wote "...individually evaluating every woman " I took that to mean "...individually evaluating every woman you are interested in.", not literally every woman.
That's the post you responded to with "then don't evaluate every women, evaluate the ones you're interested in.", which is of course, the same message.
The "be a dick to everyone" message you objected to is a different objection I think, which has some merit.
Artisanpasta 8y ago
fair enough.
This is perhaps a problem with the way I write, I tend to criticise more than disagree.
TVTestPattern 8y ago
He... yeah me too.
No worries...
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GET THE FUCK OUT OF REDPILL. WOMEN LOVE BEING TREATED LIKE SHIT, EVEN IF THEY DONT DESERVE IT. GET YOUR FAGGOT MORALISTIC EGALITARIAN SHIT OUT.
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break_main 8y ago
Lol all caps, that will show him
[deleted] 8y ago
Lmaooo. I just realized I put it in caps, I wasn't looking when I typed it. I'm jus tired of soft shit invading TRP.
Artisanpasta 8y ago
you're the misogynist who sings like michael jackson, wants five sons by different mothers, and is generally obnoxious. "Soft shit" is a load of bollocks - I simply have different opinions than you do.
like it or not, this sub is not about being a misogynist. This sub is not about men > women.
Please tell me when you've fulfilled all your life goals, and then you can tell me how you were totally correct about everything ever.
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Misogyny is pretty much just seeing women as they are IMO.
But nah, its soft shit. Men > women tho.
godiebiel 8y ago
Incentive 101 ! Someone is an asshole/bitch, treat them equally, otherwise they will continue misbehaving
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Nah. I love it too. Women = shit.
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Treat women the same way you treat any other average looking person. If they have a pleasant personality and good demeanor, great! If they have some shitty attitude, ignore them or treat them like shit right back.
The other day I saw some lady littering in the parking lot by my local supermarket. It looked like she was dumping garbage lodged in her drive's side door onto the parking lot. I told her "Don't littler, pick that up and put it in the garbage (pointing to a garbage can about 20 feet away by the push carts).
Lady just starts to cop an attitude and go all crazy eyes at me.. I then rolled down my window and said to her "Look, you can either put your garbage in the trash or not.. But after listening to you open you're mouth it's clear to me that you're a fat fucking loud mouth cunt who needs her meds either way, hope your day gets better!" and drove off. The look on her face was priceless. 10/10 would do again.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
aaand she got away with being entitled and littering without a fine or anything, where if she said you did it you'd have probably been fined on her word alone.
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Nah, if I was littering and she called the cops I'd probably just GTFO before they got there lol.. Had the police called on me plenty of time.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
oh and they match up a receipt in your trash in the car, you get $10,000 fine, but she gets a $50 fine with your film of her.
you didn't do shit bro
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TheBadGod 8y ago
I've considered that the secular advances we receive from the women we "treat poorly" is a sign of respect that we're demanding the same standards we give to ourselves. Those advances are a form of "hero worship," where you seek the validation of someone you either seek to be, or seek the praise of.
ag_nuke 8y ago
Two words
Inherent value (aka pussy pass)
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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
You treat snakes like snakes. You treat women like women. If your husband cut your head off, you'd have died.
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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
The best, longest, and most successful relationships you'll ever have as a man will be with women who claim you're an asshole. You can date a girl for years and have a very fun relationship where she does all sorts of shit for you, hangs on your every word, takes up your hobbies, and becomes a great partner. Those relationships will end about 5 minutes after you start treating her like you care about her.
Except for you. You're too smart for that. But since you're happily married, it's probably okay for guys to stick with the plan with the other women in the world.
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Sawagurumi 8y ago
If you read the central section of OP's post, I think he is pretty clear that women have not earned being treated with respect because of feminism, which even non-feminists have been only too happy to cash in on. Women generally are now (finally) paying the cost of feminism http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/the-bitter-harvest-of-feminism.html
During this last century, it is unquestionable that women have set themselves up as the enemies of men, and have done all in their power to destroy masculinity, and make men 2nd class citizens. This is directly comparable to the venomous snake analogy. From this stems the categorical injunction never to marry, even if the man would like that state, he can never trust a woman once he signs over the legal power to destroy it and clean him out to the woman. Again, the statistics here are undeniable.
Now, you are saying that if a man wants an LTR he should not be such an asshole. Perhaps you are right. if it were not for women's psychology, which demonstrably turn them against men who go towards the 'nice' side of the equation much more than those who err on the side of 'badness'. Crazy, but that is the way it is. Can an individual woman earn better treatment as a result of her own behaviour and character? I would certainly say yes, although that is only worthwhile if the man is looking for an LTR, but it is not to be given unearned.
One other thing to bear in mind: women are so used to being treated better than men that they think they are being discriminated against when they are treated equally (studies have shown this), so 'being an asshole' isn't necessarily treating women any worse than treating other men.
DisgruntledWolverine 8y ago
Because it is hardwired in your DNA by thousands of years of evolution.
Women are attracted to Alpha qualities and repulsed by Beta qualities.
Nice is a Beta quality. Since Nice is not an Alpha quality being nice will only land you as an orbiter in the friend zone that women will use to extract resources from you while dangling that carrot so that you think they might one day come around and realize what a nice guy you are.
Some examples would be :
etc etc etc
I mean this with utmost respect...
The current incarnation of women (everything from the 50s or 60s forward) are really terrible creatures and if it weren't for the survival of our species, I would just as well prefer them not exist...
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As would I. They have no use besides reproduction or sex.
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What is up with the backlash against this post? WOMEN DESERVE NOTHING BUT BEING USED & DISCARDED. And women and bp fags are trying to spread their utopian garbage.
redwurst 8y ago
I'm just out to get what I believe what belongs to me. I want results. Fuck them, trash them, make things work for you, ask questions later.
noufris 8y ago
I'm not sure if I got this correct but I'll write it best I can
The better you fuck them, the more you can get away with
My last two plates I have been truly shitty with. Both fought for me not to end it with them (I ended it with them due to boredom).
Both were amazing in bed too.
thattransgirl161 8y ago
No. Women do not automatically deserve mistreatment
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I think you accidentally clicked a link to The Red Pill.
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NiceTryDisaster 8y ago
Strongly disagree with this.
You gave few examples in the post
Really? That is what you compare women with? You couldnt find any other relate able examples to explain your points? Or do you really feel a woman is the same as those things you mention? Because if that's the case, then you might want to examine yourself because most women in my life have been wonderful, even when I was bluepill. Not all but most.
I sense a lot of anger from your writing towards women. More than the average anger phase guy. But since you're a senior member, I don't think this is the anger phase you're going through. This post is at par with the 'single mothers are scum' post that was stickied a few months ago. So if this what you feel for women, maybe you're better MGTOW
No we dont!
Without going too out of context and nitpicking statements, let me address what I feel wrong with your point of view.
Women respond well to certain qualities like dominance, value, abundance etc in a man. When a guy goes from bluepill to "treated them like utter shit" what he does is not pedestalize them, not act like a puppydog everytime he recieves a text from her, stops buying shit for her, builds his own values, spends time with other women etc.
What he does is not 'treat her badly' but he 'defines strong boundaries for himself'.
The key is having strong boundaries along with few other key things like value, personality etc. If you have poor boundaries, family, friends and strangers, men and women, kids and pets all will walk over you. That doesnt make them bad. It's basic human nature.
If you have strong boundaries, none of that shit would happen. However you dont need to go out of your way to treat women badly for it.
Minority. Not most of them. Don't nitpick examples and use them as your worldview.
Anyways, after sitting on the computer for 5 hours straight, I do not have the power to pinpoint plenty other flaws with your post, heck I don't even have the power to look at the screen. Like I said earlier, I feel like I'm reading something written by a guy in extreme anger phase, but since you're a senior member, I feel it's not anger but your very lens through which you look at women and social dynamics is flawed.I feel you've let this red pill community become your real world lens.
Or maybe I am the one who is completely wrong, because I'm finding myself less inclined with red pill ideology lately and anti-patriachy and instead spending more time on girlschase than here, and find it more helpful because it has a similar base like TRP and r/k selection, mixed with some PUA but minus the hate for women and nitpicking on here. So yeah I guess, I agree with few things on TRP and disagree on a lot. This would be in the latter category.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
You're just ignoring real life now.
They do this and hide under the guise of "oh he's confident". But the guys who dominate prison have bitches coming in and giving them some.
You're believing what you want to believe. Oh I can be a NICE alpha! Girls still like niceness!
No, it doesn't work like that. They like psychopathic assholes, and everything you've observed suggests this.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Hating women is kind of a neutral thing. It has no effect, plus or minus, on your sexual success.
If you look hot and behave in a socially apt manner and convey that you're valuable, women fuck you. They can't tell a real winner from a loser pretending to be one, a work-in-progress, or a recovered loser who's cool now.
Whether or not you hate or love them inside is more of a personal preference. Kind of like whether you like almonds.
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I'm a misogynist, even before RP. I can be in the acceptance phase, be alpha as fuck, & still be a misogynist?
StoicCrane 8y ago
Interesting one-eighty and here I thought this was a post on male-shaming. Kudos!
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I know, right? It's an emotional roller-coaster to create tingles!
Entropy-7 8y ago
Q: How do we know Frankenstein's creature was not a monster? A: If he was, the chicks would have been all over him!
ColOfCloutties 8y ago
I'd prefer not to treat anyone like an asshole, regardless of gender or sex. That's the way I was raised. I will be kind to people until they've shown me a reason not to be. Then I will be an asshole, again, man or woman it doesn't matter.
This seems absurd. Why? Why is the presumption that a woman deserves to be treated like shit off the bat before a word is even said? That's not to say you should be a fedora tipping omega, but is there not a medium? Like... say.... being a decent human? And then if/when she reveals herself to be a bitch/whore/terrible person, treat her like shit?
I understand the intention of the post, but the vitriol sounds a lot like sour grapes.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
they reward asshole behavior, that's why.
cynicalprick01 8y ago
said it in another post:
OP is captain Ahab.
Hes encouraging getting revenge on animals simply for acting like animals.
he needs to move from the anger phase.
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ChadThundercockII 8y ago
People have been saying this sub is going down in quality since its foundations. Archwinger is no noob in the anger phase. He knows what he talks about and if you read closely you'll understand his point. But, I can summarize it for you in one pic
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Women love assholes. That's why you be an asshole, for sexual success. Gtfo.
benuntu 8y ago
It does work for getting laid, for sure. it's comical how well it works with some women. And for some guys on here, that's all they care about. The problem with this is all the assholes you end up surrounding yourself with. Nobody else is going to want to be around you, eventually.
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Nah. I have a few good bros, were extremely loyal. Granted I have empathy issues, but that's it. All I need in my life is my bros, myself, success, and pussy when I'm horny.
I'm an extreme misogynist, and yet women love me. & so do my brothers. Hm. Sex is all I want from a woman. I have no other use for one.
ColOfCloutties 8y ago
Women like strong confident alphas. They then hamster these guys as "assholes" because they don't want to commit. Being an actual asshole is not a good way to get into a girl's puss. I doubt you'll get a girl to jump on your dick by calling her a fat whore within 2 minutes of meeting them.
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Idk, I've been an ABSOLUTE douche bag to chicks before and they Still wanted me. I agree tho, but I do believe you should treat women bad in general. They love it, even if they say they don't.
yonderposerbreaks 8y ago
No. No, believe it or not, we don't like being treated badly. Some of us don't want to be treated like sweet sensitive princess flowers either, but none of us wants to be treated badly.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
You're moving the goalposts. Oh we just like...er...CONFIDENCE! It's just that all the psychotic douchebag asshole alphas are confident, yeah!
We watch what you DO not what you say.
You date asshole douchebags who are sociopaths. We're not fucking stupid don't deny it to our face like we're morons.
yonderposerbreaks 8y ago
See, the problem with sociopaths is that they rarely show their true face even in the first year. You think they're these wonderful men who give a shit about you and then little things start happening after they're sure that you're hooked. They start fights for no reason. They low-key insult you. They blame you for their shortcomings. They manipulate you. By the time they lay out their full-blown narcissism on you, you're left blaming yourself and trying to cut off a relationship that started so great, how did it go wrong and what did you do.
The reality is the majority of us don't date those people and if we happen to get roped in by their act, it doesn't last. No, I don't think you're a moron, I just think you need to get off of the computer and stop reading drivel from bitter people.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
Sweetie I'm RP for a while, I don't buy a word of your hamstering. You got wet for him cuz he's an asshole.
yonderposerbreaks 8y ago
No. That was actually my mom's experience. My boyfriend is absolutely fantastic and he's not an asshole. So....good try, though.
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What the fuck ever. I treat girls like absolute garbage, with a smile on my face, and they loooove me. Constantly text me, or want my attention, or they wanna hang, or fuck, etc. get out of redpill with your womancentric shit. I treat every whore (female) like the whore they are, and they reward me for it.
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Exactly. Idk why these guys don't understand that. They're trying to cling to their bp morals.
iLLprincipLeS 8y ago
Some of them do. They are just biased. Afraid their sweety might cheat them with some immoral guy. Poor fucks can't even afford to be amoral. They come into the lion's nest and try to tame him. Pathetic cucks that should be purged by the mods for disturbing the flow and main goal of TRP - sexual strategy.
For centuries, the battle of morality was fought between those who claimed that your life belongs to God and those who claimed that it belongs to your neighbors - between those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of ghosts in heaven and those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of incompetents on earth. And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it.
yonderposerbreaks 8y ago
The way you type makes me sure that you have literally zero women after you. You're just too edgy, I guess.
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Whatever you say. Get out of redpill if you don't agree with the ideology.
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yonderposerbreaks 8y ago
No, I just don't agree with you. That's all.
[deleted] 8y ago
What the fuck is up with people putting morals into RP? REDPILL SEXUAL STRATEGY IS AMORAL.
fp6390 8y ago
Because titles that don't have decisively normative exclamations won't get as much karma.
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English please. You're saying if its more vague and immoral it wouldn't be as popular?
fp6390 8y ago
Apologies. I'm generalizing. But my points is, people are more interested in being told how to think and act. Imagine this headline in the RedPill feed:
"Ruminations on gender parity, implications for ethical behavior."
One might click on that, or not. Sounds awfully academic. Suppose it depends on what you're looking for. Either way, if I wrote that, I'm inviting you to consider the evidence and derive your own conclusion.
Or you could click on: "Treat all women like shit - kill the snake in your garden!"
But getting back to your original point, putting morals into RP is like putting media spin on a headline. Makes it more potent. Morality gets at the heart of what we believe is good and bad, and therefore guides the rest of our behaviors and judgments. That's significant stuff, there. That's partially why religion is so widespread and (often) fanatical. RP can be your religion, if you want it to be.
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Rp pretty much is my religion.
F_Dingo 8y ago
Great summary here. Even after swallowing the pill, some of us still have an issue of being the "asshole" guy to women whom we've been told to be respectful and nice to.
Why was your kid around my dog unsupervised?
RedPillDad 8y ago
Jerk Game wouldn't be a thing if it didn't work.
Princess worshipping fails because it instantly diminishes the guy's social standing, disqualifying him as a potential lover. Disrespecting a woman can work because it artificially sets the guy's social standing above hers, and makes her feel something other than his boring approval.
What's wrong about Jerk Game is the guy is taking the shortcut of contorting himself to get profitable responses from females. Women are "training" him to be the faux pimp, and that path isn't going to take him far.
Olipyr 8y ago
Here's the thing with that. You can still be nice to everyone you meet. You can be nice to women while still being a man. Just because you are nice doesn't mean you put up with bullshit. Being an "asshole" is not the same as being an asshole.
Now, if that person gives you a reason to stop being nice, then you stop being nice and you cut that person out of your life.
This is not an endorsement of being a Nice Guy^(tm).
net_ripper 8y ago
Dont be nice
Olipyr 8y ago
I suppose cordial would be a better word instead of nice.
break_main 8y ago
Treat women like shit, only shitty women will talk to you. Youre missing out on a whole world of interesting women who respect themselves too much to put up with your bullshit
tallwheel 8y ago
I don't know. I don't like the OP either, but this comment is shit too. Sounds like something people say on TBP. 'TRP only works on broken women you meet in bars. If you want to get quality women, then you need to respect them.' Yeah. No.
I agree with you that treating all women collectively like shit 'because they deserve it' is not the answer. However, the idea that there are unicorns out there who don't respond to being treated badly is also bullshit. All women respond to being treated dismissively by attractive alphas. AWALT. Whether you choose to be a dismissive alpha who can still reward a woman who has earned it, or just 'treat them all like shit because they collectively suck by right of birth' is up to you.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Exactly! Flowers are a great way to show respect. If you let the woman know that you respect her, she will see what a catch you are. Stop spending so much time away from her; if you respect her, you will spend all of your free time with her.
Tell her, first thing, that you are different from 'all the other guys'. Surprise her with gifts of jewelry. Do your fair share of the housework. Spend the extra time at work so you can afford to take her on trips; she'll appreciate them, and remember them forever.
Stop being possessive, and realize that once she commits to you, it is forever, because women are more romantic. In the rare cases when one does make a mistake, and accidentally has sex with a friend of yours because she was drunk, don't give her any of your bullshit! She has no magical powers to counteract the powers of liqour!
There's much more to be said, but, as long as you put the woman first, instead of yourself, I guarantee you'll be surprised at what surprises are in store for you.
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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I used to think that, actually. Then I realized that those interesting women who respect themselves too much can be won over with muscles about ten times easier than they can with good behavior.
break_main 8y ago
You keep saying that. Pretty hard to prove. Sounds like the kind of thing a guy tells himself to explain why he keeps getting screwed over and justify treating women badly
[deleted] 8y ago
Exactly. I hate this simp shit that's invading trp lately. There are no unicorns. They all just wanna be dominated by an alpha asshole or a high smv alpha. That simple.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
No shit. I think that most of them are feminists trying to get the board off track. It sure as fuck worked on this thread!
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Maybe. These guys are just delusional about women. They're all evil whores who like to be used and discarded. The only woman who will ever have any love for you is your mother, and that's maybe.
[deleted] 8y ago
Shut the fuck up & get out. They all react to the same shit. And if she doesn't put up with "bullshit", then fuck the bitch. She can leave.
break_main 8y ago
So, 16yo. You feel like you have learned the red pill truth about the world? All those girls in your home room are bitches just for you to fuck?
You have a habit of telling people to get out of the sub, but I think you could benefit from diversity of opinion. Echo chambers suck
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes. They are just bitches for me to fuck. Useless orifices. And naw, I only tell that to bp faggots in this particular thread. Adding bp simp shit to TRP.
break_main 8y ago
To me red pill means recognizing that men and women have different goals sexually, and that traditional relationship structures are not natural for men and women.
This attitude of thinking of women as cumbuckets is pretty lame. For one, its good to have female friends, for getting to know how women think and for wingmanning, and cause women are cool.
Lots of women have proven their worth as individuals. I work with a lot of women, and i would be less effective, probably get fired if i hated on them like this. Women have contributed to physics, mathematics, politics, etc, and have written great books.
I like that the red pill is waking ppl up to the bullshit traditional values society pushes. Its good to think about what strategies work for getting what you want, and hooking up. Women and men have mostly competing interests in dating, but that doesnt mean they are useless meat. I am also competing with other dudes, but i respect men if they are cool. Same with women.
Tldr dont be a hater. I disagree about what is red pill. You waste your time telling ppl to leave, No one has ever left a sub bc some douche told them to, and you sound like a dweeb.
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Women may have use to others, but in personal relationship context, the only thing of any value to me a woman can offer is pussy. Sure there are great women, but I'm talking about in a ppersonal relationship context only. It is the only thing I desire from them. The Only use I myself have for them. It might be different for others, but for me, that's all I see them as. Just how I think. They are not people to me, just fucktoys. I objectify to the extreme. Plus, most women just fucking annoy me. I just want to fuck and nut, and then be left alone.
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Don't use their weaknesses against them? That's a core part of game. The weak female psyches reactions to things.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 8y ago
Don't get into shouting matches. Just hit report, and I will take out the trash.
TomFoo 8y ago
Jesus Chow Mein Christ.
I FUCKING LOVE YOU veterans with your big VANGUARD and ENDORSED badges posting good fucking shit like this.
I thought everyone would nod, golf clap, fistbump and other gentlemanly affirmations to the OP, but no, some dudes are absolutely losing their hamster didn't-read-the-sidebar minds here.
Gawd, now I'm hot and bothered and wet.
More. Harder. Please.
[deleted] 8y ago
For real. I don't understand why redpill advocating treating women like the sluts they are is such a suprise to these guys. Its one of the core tenets.
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[deleted] 8y ago
We all die alone though. And self-serving = selfish. Nothing wrong with that. tRP praises that.
MuzakNinja 8y ago
There's a difference between experiencing death alone and being alone when you experience. Besides, that's not what I was getting at... More about spending your final days without companionship and wondering who is going to help you get to the bathroom.
It's only a problem if you're ignorant. A wise man would understand that taking care of others can also be a selfish act.
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I might be fucked up, but I don't have a problem when I think of dying without companionship in my last days tbh. I mean, I have my whole life ahead of me, but as long as all my future sons are around me when I die, I'll be fine.
MuzakNinja 8y ago
What if you have daughters? What if your sons don't want to be around you when you die because they think your a selfish asshole or resent how you treated their mother?
Point being, if you want to be a winner you need to take other people's needs into consideration. There's a difference between being a leader because the people don't have a better choice, and being a leader because they are devoted to you.
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I'm not having daughters. If Its revealed any of them are females, they're getting aborted. I do not want daughters.
& my sons won't think I'm a selfish asshole. And if they do, oh well. & they're not gonna know how I treat their mother because their surrogate mothers are going to have nothing to do with their lives. I'll have nannies help me raise them.
MuzakNinja 8y ago
Good luck. Did it occur to you that the mother may not want to abort just because you don't like the gender? Furthermore, what if you are only capable of fathering girls? I don't think you've thought this through very well.
This just goes back to my point of dying a lonely old man. You may think dying is the hard part, but it will actually be the fact that there won't be anyone willing to help you wipe your ass.
How exactly do you plan on achieving that? If the mother wants partial custody, she's going to get it. Who exactly do you think is going to agree to be a surrogate mother for you, anyway?
You're delusional. At some point, reality is going to make you its bitch.
[deleted] 8y ago
If the mother wants the daughter, she can have it. I just won't pay for it. I won't take care of it. Shell/theyll be signing a contract. My sons will be mine and fully mine. I'm not going to let any stupid bitch be able to take them away from me. And I'm gonna put all my care into raising my sons, I don't have empathy for most but I'm sure I will for my offspring. I'll put all my love into my sons. And considering I'll be rich & gorgeous, I'm sure a lot of surrogates will be down. Its just a money thing, they can't take my sons from me. If they try, I'll have them killed. I really don't care about the women. They're just my only means of procreating.
& nah, nannies are a viable strategy.
MuzakNinja 8y ago
Yeah, unless she has the state make you pay for it. You're setting yourself up for failure.
Good luck with that. What motivation would someone have to sign a contract which they don't benefit from? I'm finding it hard to imagine that you'll be able to find a woman willing to agree to your terms.
You will if the government gets involved.
I suppose only time will tell, eh? I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
I'm sensing that you don't really understand how that particular industry operates. Most surrogates simply act as a host for the embryo of another couple. You seem to have the perception that they are some kind of breeding farms. I don't believe surrogates have much interest in being breeding stock for single males. If they wanted that, they'd simply go find a husband.
LOL! How old are you? I mean, seriously?
But other people do, and that seems to be one of the flaws in your master plan. Women have society on their side. If you incur the wrath of society, you're fucked.
I sure am glad I don't foresee you reproducing. Your views are so far outside of social norms, I don't really think you're going to achieve the kind of success you're looking for.
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3man 8y ago
I had a cab driver tell me once "women is women."
I think there's no need to lump all women into the category of women.
My point is there are a lot of amazing people in the world, and to paint em all as shifty womens will make it harder to meet non-shifty womens.
If the argument is that all women are shifty I don't buy it. I say this as a man who is confident, who has sex, doesn't let any woman boss me around or tell me what I can or cannot do in exchange for sex. I think this community specifically attracts a lot of shifty and/or manipulative women because ironically it is filled with a lot of manipulative dudes. This is likely going to be as well received as me telling a woman's rights group the reason they attract shitty men is because they themselves are shitty. I'm not saying you guys here are shitty, just that a lot of what's on this sub is focused on getting more sex - and to be fair, male self-improvement (primarily with the goal of sex with hot babes).
What's my point? Women aren't only one way. In some senses this might be true. For example all women have vaginas. Vaginas receive penises and there is likely some philosophical relevance there. Women generally receive men and men generally put themselves out toward women. If your strategy to attract women is to wait for them to come around then you're doing it literally backwards. This is all well and true, but if you then extrapolate and try to find other things all women are, and you come up with "money hungry good-for-nothing bitches who want nothing more than as many cocks as they can gargle," you've probably gone too far. Let's face it, women are beautiful. They are the yin to our yang baby. That doesn't mean we submit to them but that doesn't mean we dominate either. Respect my bros, respect that not all women are the same and you're only attracting shifty womens by treating women like such. Think about it, you treat all women as shifty womens, and only real shifty womens will stick around.
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They're all shitty. All capable of it, and 96% of them act on it. Stop believing in unicorns. We do dominate. Respect for a woman besides your boss or mother is idiotic IMO, unless you have an absolutely aamazing wife, which is rare.
3man 8y ago
84.8 percent of statistics are made up. Stop believing in demons, brah. Siths deal in absolutes, yada yada. Everyone has my respect because I don't need anything from anyone, and so if people throw shit at me I step out of the way.
Captain_Bu11shit 8y ago
Holy fucking shit. What is wrong with this sub.
rexted23 8y ago
Couldn't agree more with this. 99 percent of modern women are dumb vapid worthless sluts who have never, will never, and can never contribute anything useful to society, and the other 1 percent still aren't worth the effort. I treat women like shit because they deserve to be treated like shit and laugh at all the poor losers who do otherwise.
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As do I. And the women love it.
uncloudedsky 8y ago
Says the autistic virgin who's never touched a boob in his life -- but desperately wants to.
CrazyHorseInvincible 8y ago
They're called "breasts". YOU are a boob.
Bye now.
dprdg 8y ago
I see you couldn't come up with anything to negate their statement (since they're probably right) and decided to nitpick over the appropriate term for breasts/boobs/tits. Groundbreaking comeback buddy
CrazyHorseInvincible 8y ago
I see that another fish has swallowed the lure.
Banned.
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Bassethounds4ever 8y ago
Um, I thought RP was about what the info described on its main page. Not simply a woman hating group.
NightwingTRP 8y ago
Everybody here is groaning inwardly at this comment.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Are you kidding????
I'm jumping up and down and clapping my hands! I'm wondering why everybody is turning into a fucking "Hey-Women are just like us! Show some respect!" broken record.
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We have another unicorn believer.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Actually, the thread was making a point until all of the egalitarians started to derail it with self-righteous attacks on people who are not like minded, with ramblings about "stop being a woman hater!"
[deleted] 8y ago
For real. Egalitarianism is a retarded mindset, just like feminism. Men is dominant and superior. Woman is sub and inferior. Anything else is a pipe dream.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Feel free to keep trying egalitarian relationships filled with mutual respect, and let us know how it goes.
thattransgirl161 8y ago
Yeah, not like mutual respect is good. /s
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Its not. Get the fuck out of rp tranny.
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Someone ban this tranny faggot. And I know respect. I just don't respect women. Ever.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Because they're worthless sluts. Get out of redpill if you don't agree with redpill ideology.
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Bassethounds4ever 8y ago
Oh no, in most cases I agree with the mentality a man should keep and the logic behind his actions but usually the posts start to seem hostile, angry and just biased. Which makes me think its an emotional tantrum (although, still with good details) but due to being hurt by a woman and "all of them suck and should be treated like bitches".
55555321 8y ago
Theredpill is all about getting success in your sexual relationships and life. So if you have success with a different approach (let's say treating your woman like a queen) go ahead and feel free to make a post about it.
Bassethounds4ever 8y ago
I was under the impression that this was for example, avoiding traps from evil women that are wallet mosquitos. But if were talking about success, especially in monetary value why have women part of the equation at all? Must they be involved instead of cutting them off and succeding like that? I see more success stories in NoFap than here, honestly.
strppngynglad 8y ago
The funny thing is when they come across one of the 1% of girls worth their time they're not going to see it. writing of half the population of the entire planet is idiotic. Have your defense and suspicion but be able to identify when you find one that's different.
DisgruntledWolverine 8y ago
It isn't about AWALT and trying to find one of the NAWALT Unicorns that make up that 1% you mention.
It is about accepting AWALT and being successful in the SMP
Success being defined as have as much sex while sacrificing as little resources as possible.
Knowing their true nature and accepting it just makes this easier.
strppngynglad 8y ago
Yes that is why I am a part of the community. I see the value in understanding women's nature.
friendlysociopathic 8y ago
Why is getting laid as much as possible success? If you're not producing children it's simply a combination of meaningless hedonism and salving a usually fairly badly-wounded ego.
DisgruntledWolverine 8y ago
Because I/men like sex.
And because children = 18 years of indentured servitude or slavery to someone who bases their every action on the whim of her feelz...
No thanks...
friendlysociopathic 8y ago
So your definition of 'success' is 'doing things you like to do', but you have a low opinion of women because they are motivated by feelings?
Do you think this is consistent?
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There is no different. They're all the same. All of them.
strppngynglad 8y ago
yes I am well aware that is the hive mind here. Accepting this thought will make sure that you never find it, there for giving anecdotal evidence that they don't exist.
It's like playing where's Waldo and someone says he's not in there. you see them all wearing the red and white stripes and go, oh he's right. Sure makes this game easy by flipping through the pages until the end.
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Whatever. Keep believing in unicorns friend.
strppngynglad 8y ago
I have which is why I am trying to say its possible.
friendlysociopathic 8y ago
Has it ever occurred to you how much this sort of rhetoric seems to be an almost exact, word-for-word mirror of the stuff radical feminists spout?
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Yeah, its crossed my mind. The difference is, this is truth.
friendlysociopathic 8y ago
Has it occurred to you that this is also an exact mirror of what a radical feminist would say in the exact same situation?
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Yeah. I'm not gonna get into this cause youre not gonna change my mind about these sluts. AWALT.
friendlysociopathic 8y ago
Has it occurred to you that these radical feminists are usually overweight, ugly, out-of-shape weirdos with mental issues, and that you are an overweight, acne-tainted, out-of-shape teenage boy with mental issues?
Has it occurred to you that you are simply the male equivalent of a morbidly obese 15 year old girl sitting on Tumblr and ranting about how she wants to KILL ALL MEN?
This is not TRP. You are not TRP. You do not lift, work, follow your passions, or have any meaningful achievements of any kind to back up your preaching. You are in all likelihood a virgin carrying out a bizarre persona on the internet for the sake of self-gratification. Stop posting here about your fictionalized life and lurk.
JornSellew 8y ago
That's like saying "Oh I feel so bad for the flies who have to hang around the dung" No it's exactly the flies who are choosing / being genetically compelled to fly around shit. If you don't have your shit behind the bushes, they'll just find another dropping to hang around.
Why are women rewarding alpha behavior with sex if you're not supposed to treat them like shit.
Wildwildwes17 8y ago
First of all I agree completely, but I still wonder why. I've been listening to a lot of Patrice and he says that women love sex as much as guys do(undeniable in my opinion), but biologically they are unable to have as much of it(also a valid point). So I think here is where he is trying to say that the ultimate disconnect between men and women comes into play. Now I have made several extrapolations: Basically from the very beginning women learn that men get to have more fun than women simply because our bodies are different. They recognize this as a flaw. Think back to when you were a kid on the play ground, you knew you were better than girls simply because you knew how to have fun. If you and another kid were doing anything at all there was at least someone who wanted to join and probably a girl or two as well. The only game girls played was house, and they quickly learned how boring that was. They wanted to be with the boys who were having all the fun.
This is why you see the dynamic as it is, girls are destined to settle down with one man but they have always craved the man who has the most fun. Guys are destined to always be curious and find adventures to go on with or without a woman. The more guys that are involved the more interesting it must be. However, having a woman around was always better than not having a woman around simply because if she was with you, you now had someone you could command or make fun of. You could tell her what to do and she would do it until she either got offended or got bored. If she left did you ever actually care? No, you would just start making fun of someone else or going on a different adventure.
So back to your point, this is why they deserve to be treated badly: girls are boring as shit. All they want to do is play house. If you get involved in a relationship you have now given up all the fun adventures that all the guys get to do. You have basically said "ok your game of house seems kind of fun let me play." Dude fuck the game of house. YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY. Automatically the woman is in charge and she gets to make up bull shit rules until finally you get to the point where you say fuck this game and go back to being a boy. This is why PUA movement is a failure. It's literally just a study of the game of house where the women are in charge. Instead of saying "fuck this game of house" the dudes in the PUA movement have STUDIED the game. They have changed the way they played and the women have learned from it. The only way to win is to say fuck the game of house, it's boring and I don't want a woman ever telling me how to play a game because I am way better at knowing what is fun.
Anyway hope this made some sense, thanks for the post I've been thinking a lot recently and feel like I have had a paradigm shift so I'm gonna start throwing ideas out into the manoshpere. Let me know if any of this resonates with you guys.
HeinousFu_kery 8y ago
It's much more amusing to require women to act like adults who are responsible for their own actions, no excuses, no waffling, no "I do it because I feel like it...", no "My friends are all.." hive-mind shit.
This seems to define "abuse" of the worst sort but the reaction is priceless - you have to be nearly perfect at holding frame though.
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chop480 8y ago
This is why I never understood some of the animosity towards MGTOW in the manosphere.
It's much easier to treat women with indifference than treat them well or badly. If you're advocating treating women badly, why bother. They certainly aren't going to change into someone worth treating well.
Just P4P and treat the whore, on occasion, with a tip for a job well done.
Hodensack666 8y ago
kudos. finally someone says it like it is.
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For real. All this " you can be nice and still be alpha" faggot shit.
jimjam80 8y ago
This is where my head is at lately. I went a few dates with a few different women from online dating and ghosted them after they got too annoying, which happened almost immediately. I felt guilty at first, but then I thought, fuck this . . . these women deserved it. They thought moment that they had sex with me, I was lofted into a new tier of obligations and commitment toward them, when in fact, they were terrible in bed. I can think of two who's 'feminine hygiene' was lackluster, and their night moves consisted of just laying there. Obviously I was aiming too low, but regardless, I owed those bitches nothing. I've been blown off by women several times, and have realized that each time I didn't bring enough attraction to the table. Women don't think that way . . . it's never their fault. They'd never consider that perhaps they should trim and wash their pussies before a date in case sex happens.
reigorius 8y ago
Last week I had a date with a girl. She looked beautiful and whatnot, but I didn't enjoy her personality and her views on life. After blatantly jawning in my face, I got up, took a piss and when I got back I told her I wasnt feeling it and was leaving.
She looked shocked and in disbelief tried to acknowledge what I said. She then asked why I didn't wait for her to finish her drink? I said why would I and why would it matter? I didn't wait for the dust to settle, so I stood up and left.
I'm done being nice to girls.
jimjam80 8y ago
What's funny is the moment you told her you were leaving, she probably got lots of tingles. "Oh, boy . . . drama!" Her favorite.
I'm done being nice to girls as well. No humans who aren't royalty have been treated as well as them historically, and they completely take it for granted. I'm going to use my anger to stay slightly more hostile in my conversations with them. I'm fine with crossing the line and pissing them off . . . I have always erred on the nice side. Much like paying for them, I'm learning that being nice kills attraction.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
they do the opposite of take it for granted, they say they've been oppresssseddd this whole time and have had it haaarderrr than you.
reigorius 8y ago
I get dismissive real quick when a girl yawns openly and not apologise. She obviously has better things to do, so have I. And I'm happy to be the one to do the nexting.
Not sure about the tingles, she looked very pissed and insta-blocked my number on WhatsApp. I guess, since her profile picture was gone.
alvlear 8y ago
The anger in this post is palpable. Excellent.
modex20 8y ago
goooood... goooooooooooooood.
Moonwlkr50 8y ago
https://youtu.be/4quXTwAiMVA
modex20 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzfkxAC-Bw8
milugan 8y ago
It's so cliché that i just fuck and laugh about it. That's the only thing i've changed and actually i gained weight and somehow girls started to look at me different hahaha
Metalgear222 8y ago
I'm seeing more and more of these posts that sound MGTOW related. It clicks with me the best, I literally don't enjoy the company of women as of the last year. The RP filter has made me so intolerant. It's not anger, just disappointment and foresight to know that largely they are a waste of time and distraction of my goals. After I cum, it's like I wish I didn't even spend the resources to approach, game, etc. can anyone sympathize? How do you become more patient?
[deleted] 8y ago
I feel the same way. I could never do an ltr. After we fuck, I just want the bitch to leave.
tallwheel 8y ago
This is fine. If you don't see the point of spending time with women beyond sex, then don't invest anything in them beyond what you need to in order to get sex. There are far more worthwhile things to concentrate on in your life than women.
War2kali 8y ago
These kind of frothing at the mouth nonsensical posts distract from the more productive, thoughtful ones. All women are dangerous animals, poisonous snakes? Quite a depressing and totally incorrect world view.
There's a big difference between focusing on self-improvement / not being a clingy, needy "nice guy" and thinking 99% of women are evil gold digging whores who are no better than an animal. You must lead a sad, bitter life.
Scrubstepcat 8y ago
Hitting girls are bad!! Hitting dudes are okay!!