Some of those lines are autistic as fuck.

"I’ll take a large coffee. And put a little extra love in it for me!”

CRINGE

I lol'd at the boob touch trick. Pure genius, well done you misogynist shit lord.

No photo-meme? I am disappointed.

This post is awesome. Shit like this is why I read TRP. More posts like this please, and less bitching about sjw's and feminists.

TLDR: Good advice - make sure your gut, body & mouth tell the same story. That alone will take you very far.

Nice post, refreshing writing. This is solid advice for newer / less masculine guys but it'll backfire and burn you alive if you're intermediate / in good shape / etc - then again, hopefully intermediate and above guys already know that. You don't have to conform - approaching is the opposite - but congruence between action, appearance & intent is crucial.

Instead, start a conversation with an entertaining anecdote or question, such as asking the group to suggest names for a three-legged cat or a store that sells 70s memorabilia. It may sound corny, but everyone loves to give their opinion.

Be honest: you always do this, and get away with it? I for the life of me cannot justify to myself doing this because it sounds so utterly retarded... it's like you're almost trying to hard. Again I'm not disagreeing, I just want to know if this always works for you when you approach.

I don't know if it's just me, but the "don't talk to her right away, win her friends over" ALWAYS fucked me over because I'm very good looking. Usually what always happens is they assume I like one of her friends (the friends I'm winning over), and they in turn usually like me, so the real target makes space for her ugly friend to have a chance with me, and then when I do decide to talk to target, she feels weird because her friend also likes me. I also never found the whole "her friends pull her away" to be true, usually the friends are quite fine with letting me talk to her.

I wish someone would write up a post on how to initiate the first kiss. That's the one part that I just have so much trouble with.

In my experience one of the most difficult things to do is become outcome independent. I know a lot of people say it all the time, but I feel like they over simplify it.

Reality is, outcome independence is tough, especially for a newer person. No matter how much you say, "I don't care about this outcome" there is still a bit of it there. Even when someone tells themself, "YOLO, Don't give a fuck" they still will. I know I catch myself sometimes. Because let's get real, you want to be successful. And let's say you are being outcome independent, but you're still going out in hopes of hooking up, meeting a chick, etc... So whenever you approach, there is still that haze thinking in your mind, "oh, I hope this chick is into me. I hope i play it well enough." Get rejected? There's still that little voice deep in your head that's at least a little dissapointed.

The best way I've found to mittigate this is to literally not try to pick up chicks. I don't mean go out thinking, "Fuck women. I want nothing to do with them." Instead, have literally every approach you make NOT be about trying to game them. Literally approach because you want something else out of them. Maybe trying to hook your buddy up. Maybe trying to see if you can get them to buy you a drink. Maybe about getting them to admit something stupid. Literally, anything other than building attraction.

You can never be certain that she won't reject you, so give up on green lights (IOI) and GO.

This, right here is good advice, focusing on IOI is to mentally time consuming just do what you want(within reason)

thanks for taking the time to write this up. Very nice indeed. Personally I find 'be energetic' ambiguous and almost arbitrary. Meaning that i find it hard to bring that mindset into something tactile and not forced. Any tips?

Minimal smiling-

Can't help it I smile all the time

This is all just old ASF/Mystery method stuff. Half of it is good but a lot of it is nonsense.

Let go of your outcome. yes but easier said than done. I would say accept failure.

Strive for FUN. This is actually probably the most important.

You can never be certain that she won't reject you, so give up on green lights (IOI) and GO. (yes) Yes. Looking for ioi's in a hectic environment is tough. If you get one, you have a big leg up but don't wait for one if none are coming. Girls typically hide their ioi's and it's easy to do so in a night venue.

You rely on “pickup” lines to eventually discard reliance on pickup lines. (yes) Pickup lines never worked. They are only good for people who are good actors. 90% of guys will sound fake as fuck using lines and this ungenuiness will blow them out of the water.

Normal guys are boring and slightly awkward when /if talking to hot chicks. yes/no. There are plenty of confident guys out there especially at places like night clubs. Plus, the alcohol and their friend groups pump them up beyond their normal level of confidence.)

Even if you are totally boring and awkward, the worst you can be is normal. WTF? Being normal is way underrated. Awkward is a million times worse than being normal. A lot of guys who have severe problems with girls are all sorts of weird social issues with them so if they could attain normality it would actually be a huge leap forward for them.

NOT opening a girl means you are a selfish dick who wants to retain all the awesomeness in your life for just yourself. lol. I hope you are not stupid enough to actually believe this bullshit you are trying to delude yourself. Not opening a girl just means you were chickenshit or maybe you were busy or maybe the timing was bad.

Have the attitude that you are auditioning or testing the girls to see if they meet your standards. This never worked for me. Doing this make a person too cold and distant in my opinion. It's better to act like you are sexually uninterested in her if you are going to play the indirect game. IE, treat her like you would an ugly girl with a good personality.

Never focus on your looks (genes), focus on how you present yourself eh

You deserve the best of everything. probably not but you're going to go for it anyway aren't you? haha.

Be Energetic. This is actually so important. A more accurate way to describe it would be "be manic". A little mania with it's strong emotion is what makes any opener work - not the words themselves.

Be Well-groomed. I think poorly groomed douchebags probably get the most chicks.

Be Sexual (Thoughts and Actions.) yes if you are not playing the indirect game

Show desire through eyes. only after she is really hooked and you're in the seduction phase. Opening with a sexual interest just get's you shot down right away. I'll give you an example that happened to me.
Me: Those boots are really cool. - said with some romantic tone and bedroom eyes Her: ... Her friend: She doesn't want your dick tonight.

Be Confident. This is so important

Be Relaxed. very important

Don't be a friend; be a lover. yeah but how do you do that? Just putting lover right on the table just scares chicks off early on.

Minimal smiling This is some shit advice. I'm naturally low energy and smile infrequently and this definitely hurts me a lot. Smile a lot in the opening.

Contrapposto sure but you're just talking about minutae at this point

Impatient outward glances ?

Open legs eh

Straight back didn't you just say contrapposto a few lines ago? Contradiction.

Hold your drink low Don't use your drink as a shield but holding it low all the time will just cause it to be knocked around by all the people walking around. This impractical advice is how I know someone has no fricken real field experience because learning that holding your drink low sucks for drinking is something that is learned right away if you actually go out.

Slow speech/accentuate every word This doesn't make sense in high energy environments

Don’t laugh at own jokes A lot of times, it doesn't make any fucking sense to not laugh at your jokes. You would look weird and sociopathic (even though real sociopaths aren't like that)

Take up space yes but don't overdo this or you will look fake

Pregnant pauses not important

Center yourself around your crotch not important

Don't be afraid to approach her just because there are men in the group. Often, you'll discover that she's with family, friends or co-workers. eh. Usually the guy in the group is the boyfriend. Let's be realistic here. A lot of the time it isn't but a lot of the time it is.

Never open a conversation by apologizing. Phrases like "Excuse me...", "Pardon me..." and "I'm sorry, but..." make you sound like a beggar. In daytime, opening this way is fine and it useful because so many girls don't expect to be talked to during the day and are shocked that someone is talking to them. At night it looks weak.

Don't hit on her or give her a generic compliment. Instead, start a conversation with an entertaining anecdote or question, such as asking the group to suggest names for a three-legged cat or a store that sells 70s memorabilia. It may sound corny, but everyone loves to give their opinion. Compliments are probably my most effective opener. The more of a non-sequitor your opener is, the more energy you need to pull it off. Personally for me, energy is a scarce commodity and I can't use a lot of openers that only work with high energy.

Never, ever buy her a drink. You shouldn't have to pay for her attention. Buying her a drink can be effective. I know a guy who does it all the time and it works for him. It doesn't work with my style of game though. I'd have to adopt his style to get it to work/

Don't touch or grab her right away. If she touches you say, with a smile, "Hey now, hands off the merchandise" Touching her right away is great in my opinion. Also, her touching you is great. Something like "Hey now, hands off the merchandise" is too cocky in many situations and will offend. If you've already got her into you and chasing you a little a cocky statement like that would be effective. It's very important to realize that all techniques and lines only work if the context is right. The context includes things like how much she likes you, your mood and state of mind, the venue, etc.

Don't focus all your attention on her when she's with other people. If you win her friends over, you'll win her. It's absolutely necessary to talk to the group or you will get cockblocked.

Approaching Groups - 2+

Approach indirectly. When you begin speaking, talk over your shoulder. Do not face directly or lean in. This will make them uncomfortable. As they become more comfortable with you, then you may turn in and join the group. I approach directly all the time. They will not be uncomfortable. People feel strong and secure when they are with their group.

Do not hit on the woman you are interested in right away. Win over her friends first. Even ignore her, if you must - this will only pique her interest. If she does something silly, tell her friends: "You can dress her up, but you can't take her anywhere!". This will make her friends feel safe with you and make her wonder how you could possibly be unaffected by her charms. Note: this should not be an insult, but more of a tease, like one might do to a little sister. Horrible advice. They will just assume you are interested in the girl you are talking to the most. If you switch to your real target, you might offend the first girl and you might even offend your real target.

Enter with an energy level equal to or slightly above that of the group you're approaching. Everyone's out to have fun. If you are able to make them have a little more fun than they're currently having, they'll accept you. Should always be higher energy level but not too much higher.

Use a neutral entertaining opener. To start a conversation, ask a question that will pique the attention of most people. Two subjects fascinate everybody: relationships and the unknown. So ask, for example: "Where would you take someone on a blind date?" Just coming out of the blue and asking a question of a group is weird as fuck. I've done it before but it's tough.

Root the opener. If you don't let the group know why you're asking then they are going to think you're taking a survey. So add a story: "I'm asking because my friend over there just moved to Los Angeles, and his boss has set him up with his daughter. It's kind of a lose-lose proposition." This is ok but it's not a big deal. Opening is not about delivering these scripted lines. Scripted lines like these are too formal. Opening is more of then not super informal and devoid of informational content. "yo wuz up?" is more useful thank some weird question that is off topic.

Offer a time constraint. As soon as you approach, the first thing the group worries is, "How long does this guy plan on staying here?". Until you win them over with your humor, personality, or special skills, you must short-circuit that fear by telling them, "I can only stay for a second, because my friends are waiting over there." Not particularly important.

Demonstrate value. Now that you have approached and talked to the group, the next step is to make it so they don't want you to leave. This is where any skill you know - or can learn - will come in handy, whether it be magic, hand-writing analysis, palm-reading, psychological personality tests, or teaching her something about herself. You'll know you've done it correctly, if you pretend as if you are going to leave afterward and they drag you back to talk more. Doing a gimmick like this demonstrates low value.

Banter - HAVE FUN. Little Sister mentality good

Contrapposto seems like a slightly feminine pose to me. Sure you can pull it off if you're masculine, but I doesn't seem to add anything.

Is it really that great?

Just a point. If you're holding your drink low and your hand presses against her boob you might want to be a bit more selective.

All of this to be done as Matthew McConaughey from Dazed and Confused.

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A lot of the lines here are very forced and unnatural. The types of teasing here are things they've heard a million times. For example, the student bit about not being in class. I mean it's like when you were a college sophomore and you'd hit on the freshmen girls and rag on them for being freshmen. EVERY guy did that. They hear it a million times.

I just think if you want to get off to a good start, you don't want them to think you're a goofball. Go with the flow, dig a bit deeper and get to something that not everyone talks about THEN rag on her a little bit. That way she's opening up with the benefit of a bit of teasing, a very unique experience in contrast. Get to the good stuff ASAP.

It's nice knowing i do 95% of these things naturally.

Cashiers "I'll take my coffee how I like my women, big, black and bitter."

One small thing you're missing in an otherwise perfect write-up:

She is probably just as nervous and awkward as you fear you might be.

Damn I do the "Excuse me.." Can anyone tell me an alternate thing to say?

The other thing missing in this post is the environment where the approach is done. It's different in a bar or a club versus on the street during a day.

Don't hit on her or give her a generic compliment. Instead, start a conversation with an entertaining anecdote or question, such as asking the group to suggest names for a three-legged cat or a store that sells 70s memorabilia. It may sound corny, but everyone loves to give their opinion.

For example I'd never do indirect during daygame. It translates to "hiding your dick". If you're approaching a girl to pick her up let her know that in the first few seconds - using both your body language and words. Do give her a compliment, then playfully take it back spiking the attraction and probing for a topic to talk.

Also +1 for throwaway_holla - his comment is spot on.

This is canned material at its best and will NOT, i repeat, NOT quick fix your social issues with women.

You need to work on your mental basis, which takes a lot of time. This disregards PU, because in its core it is pick-up is only striving to emulate an identity. This identity is formed by canned material and rigid patterns. More than 50% in this post is typical PU-trash from the early 2000.

The real issue here is, that this post is mixed with RP-language and PU-trash. Hence, its not quite obvious for inexperienced men to see a difference here. Even i was struggling to understand the RP-stance on PU. But it was unfolding after time and experience. I strongly claim, that is not the way to become a better version of yourself. It will prolong your way until you realize to work on your fundamental issues and also to accept that women are not the only goal in life.

• Minimal smiling

Nah. This is a good way to seem stiff, or to not generate good/fun feelings in the woman you're talking to.

• Impatient outward glances

Pfff. No. That makes you look fidgety or uneasy.

• Don’t laugh at own jokes

Please. Laughing at anything you find funny, including your own jokes, conveys ease, confidence, feeling comfortable and natural, and a lack of insecurity.

Great write up! do a first date one!

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Little sister mentality vs Little Daughter mentality? Not sure which is better.

Pregnant pauses? Can anyone clarify?

A lot of this advice is stuff that took me years to get right. Good job OP. Especially the "accidental" backhand boob touching. That's one of my kino/escalation staples, it fucking works.

Basically, be in a good mood and talk bullshit. Touch her hand and gauge kino response to determine if she likes you. If so, close. What is required of you as a man? Indifference to rejection, confidence, abundance, positivity. The attractive guys in this thread complaining bitches shut them down should just use Tinder. Hot guys get all the tinder pussy for a fraction of the effort.

I can perform pretty decent card magic tricks

Demonstrate value. Now that you have approached and talked to the group, the next step is to make it so they don't want you to leave. This is where any skill you know - or can learn - will come in handy, whether it be magic

but i feel like i would be seen more as a performer, am i right?

Excellent read OP. Thanks for putting that together.

At least half of this post is ripped from Mystery Method. This stuff is played out game in my opinion. It was effective back when they ran nightclub game, but now the dynamics of game are changing. Some of the basic things like stance, confidence, and tonality are a given, but the rest of this stuff is whatever. It isn't necessary. Just approach with a game plan, demonstrate value, get the number. This stuff often leads guys to get way too much into their head, and then they aren't able to naturally vibe with anyone nor do they calibrate.

I'd really much rather see guys on here talk about game from personal experience, and not post stuff that is regurgitated from established game.

Solid objective advice, as much as I enjoy the philosophical and meta discussions on here, this is the kind of shit that got me into the red pill.

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I don't really rely on that kind of thing...too complicated. I approach when I want to...sometimes I'm having fun but for a reason or another I want to leave so I leave..

It's a very well written post and a good summary but seriously...why bother? It's not that complicated. It just happens.

Some of this does not work if your really attractive/intimidating. Many women will put up bitch shields to prereject me before I even get a chance "to reject them". When you approach them, many times they will act aloof. It's their way to hamster that they are still attractive.

This never happens with other ridiculously attractive women, but those are a minority.

Great advice though, will definitely be using the backhand boob technique.

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Strong post bro, keep it up. If I were able to award points you would have at least one by now. Thanks.

Don't touch or grab her right away. If she touches you say, with a smile, "Hey now, hands off the merchandise"

Don't lean in or hover over her. Stand up straight and, if the music's too loud or she's seated, simply speak up.

these 2 points are complete BS. You want to enable physical contact as soon as possible to avoid being friend to friend. Saying that you should avoid physical contact is just limiting yourself. Calibrate after the fact. See how she reacts and then adapt.