Married woman goes out with male 'best friend' while husband is out of town, gets drunk and takes him home to 'hang out'. MIL calls her out. r/relationship's tells her, her behavior is fine. | TheRedPill

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Married woman goes out with male 'best friend' while husband is out of town, gets drunk and takes him home to 'hang out'. MIL calls her out. r/relationship's tells her, her behavior is fine.

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Posted 10y ago in Blue Pill Example - Permalink - Locked - 7.2K Views

Here is the thread: http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/1558834

TL;DR Married woman has straight, single best friend she's known for years. Goes out to a movie with him then hits the bar, gets drunk and brings him home. MIL shows up and offers the guy a ride home but woman says he's spending the night. They're going to 'play cards' all night. MIL exposes her whorish behavior to the family, r/relationships thinks woman's behavior is okay.

So I replied in this thread about how inappropriate it was for this woman to be out on the town with a male friend, getting drunk, bringing him home. Got completely downvoted. Got 2 messages from two women:

1) One who is also married, has several male best friends she sometimes sleeps in the same bed with. But her husband is okay with it because he trusts her.

2) Another woman who is completely devoted to her husband and child but once a year goes on a camping trip alone with her male best friend (and they share a hotel room!) and her husband is okay with it.

Most people in the thread said the woman's behavior was okay because the husband was okay with it. Who cares that she's pretty much making him the laughingstock of the town by having her male best friend stay the night while he's out of town working? Who cares what his stupid mother thinks. She has every right to have her bestie of years who is straight and single spend the night.

While the husband may be okay with his wife having a male best friend, his reaction speaks volumes. He didn't jump to his wife's defense when his mother called her out. He simply walked out. why? Because his wife has no fucking defense. She's acting inappropriately but the consensus on r/relationships is that the husband should be happy that his wife has a male best friend taking her out while he's not there.

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CastratedBetaOrbiter 10y ago

Who are we kidding, she was fucking him, or will be very soon.

MIL knows a cunt when she sees one. Her BB husband is an idiot.

pauly_pants 10y ago

That sub is an echo chamber of women's validation.

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Brassporkchop 10y ago

Most subs lean that way.

Got downvoted to shit when I said a 23 yo woman sleeping with a 16 yo boy wouldn't be acceptable if you reversed the genders.

marty2k 10y ago

Seriously. A few weeks ago some poor guy went on there because his girlfriend was leaving used pads on the sink where he leaves his toothbrush and she got when he called her out on her bullshit disgusting ways. The response:

he was a nag
period blood is completely sterile and nasty and he was wrong for being grossed out
he hates his girlfriend
he shouldn't of said anything and let her do it
he was an asshole
he should be more docile and let her do whatever the fuck she wants no matter what

Might as well of gone on r/askuglylonelyfeminists.

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InferiousX 10y ago

My favorite is how any relationship where the man is notably older than the woman, 80 percent of the upvoted comments are white knights and jaded women "warning" the girl that anything she feels for him is a trick and that all older men are diabolical emotional puppeteers.

They post that regardless of what the OP is actually worried about. Most of that sub is a cesspool of shit information.

through_a_ways 10y ago

My favorite is how any relationship where the man is notably older than the woman, 80 percent of the upvoted comments are white knights and jaded women "warning" the girl that anything she feels for him is a trick and that all older men are diabolical emotional puppeteers.

I have a theory about this. Women aren't inherently less attracted to older men, and are often more attracted to them, if everything else is held constant.

Yet, you always hear young women trash-talking older men, while you never hear the same done to other measures of SMV (height, for example).

I think a lot of this contempt for older men comes from a place of insecurity. Insecurity that, while older men usually retain and even improve their charm, older women can only lose it.

Taller women aren't less sexually attractive than shorter women (at least not when compared to the differential between old and young women), so you don't get the same type of shaming. Taller women are also a minority of the population, while every woman will eventually be old.

I've also heard the same type contempt for "manwhores". Lots of women claim to not want them, even calling them "sluts", etc. We all know it's a lie, and that it comes from the same exact place of insecurity (they know that sleeping around only increases a man's SMV, while it decreases a woman's, so they shame it even though they like it).

InferiousX 10y ago

There are young women who just straight up dont like older men. And that's fine because there are plenty who do.

I think a majority of the people making and upvoting those types of comments are:

A: Clueless White Knights. Surely when the damsel realizes she's being held prisoner, she'll come to her senses and probably fall for a "nice guy" like me! It's the right thing to do.

Gag

B: Post-Wall or close to Wall women. This is probably a majority of it or at least the most vocal. Go tell a female friend who's pushing 30 that you (if you're an older man) or an older guy you know is dating a 19 year old.

"Disgusting"

"Pervert"

"Creep/Creepy"

These are the kinds of words that will come out. They'll say it with the same tone as if you had told them the girl was 9. They're making it sound like they disapprove. When what's actually happening is that in their mind, if this guy is able to date a younger prettier girl and has a low drama/BS tolerance, she has almost no chance in the sexual marketplace for your archetype. It's a male slut shaming death throe. And that's what's happening on a larger scale in r/relationships

That's my take at least.

through_a_ways 10y ago

Yeah, you pretty much described what I said. I agree that there are some women who genuinely don't like older men, but I think they're probably insignificant as far as this trend goes.

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It's fine if younger (read: naive) girls like older guys, but let's be honest......it often comes about as a passing phase.

I know a girl that passed me up (I'm 28), for a guy who is near 40, and she is 20, but just barely. The guy is a sex-addict and not the best looking, but smooth, I guess. Everyone tended to not shame the man, but actually the girl for her bizarre choice.

Let's face it, if a man is going for younger girls like that, he often can have serious baggage. Sure, he can be smooth and MAYBE well-off, but not necessarily......But there comes a point where I would feel ashamed of myself at that age to be preying on young and immature girls. I would love to think that girls that age are mature enough to not feel angry about what situations they get into with grown-ass men, but they RARELY are. I just could not be that type of guy.

InferiousX 10y ago

I think something that a lot of guys don't get and women like to gloss over is that for the most part, women are typically far more developed than men in male/female relationship dynamics because they start talking about boys much earlier than boys do about girls. When boys are wrestling and playing dodgeball while not talking about video games, girls are sitting on the swings talking about which boys are cute and which are gross. Some talk about how many babies they wanna have. This is all before this shit even crosses the minds of most males at all

Fast forward to the girl being 20 years old. Some of the guys her age have just started dating. Or they have very limited experience with it. In the arena of relationship dynamics, they aren't even in the same ball park. The female is then naturally attracted to someone who's more on her level or higher in that he "gets it". This holds true BTW even for fuck buddy style relationships.

Newdist2 10y ago

B: Post-Wall or close to Wall women. This is probably a majority of it or at least the most vocal. Go tell a female friend who's pushing 30 that you (if you're an older man) or an older guy you know is dating a 19 year old.

Yeah, and how many of those women dated or at least fucked a much older guy or two when they were 19?

InferiousX 10y ago

Oh but that one time that one guy was a jerk! Don't you see! They're saving other young girls from the terrible clutches or being with a more financially secure and less emotionally need man!

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Waldo00 10y ago

Pretty much very thing trp explains. "She probably means the exact opposite of what shes saying", I hate players, I want to fuck players, I hate older men and younger women, I know I'm gonna get old and that bitch is ruining it for everyone. Lmao men have the power we jut forgot about it

fitnesstested 10y ago

That is deep I never thought about it that way

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Happyhappyjoyjoy123 10y ago

Total fail at reading dude. The chick's roommate told her the date probably tried to rookie her.

At least report facts otherwise you are not helping us have a real conversation.

wimmyjales 10y ago

Holy shit. That's narcissism on a dangerous level. I hope if I have a stroke its not at a bar around some self centered bitch like that.

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wimmyjales 10y ago

As a guy who has been helped before by a very well trained team of female emt's, and has been around nurses in my whole family and professional life, I couldn't disagree more. Women aren't stupid or helpless. Sure, they're inept at certain jobs because of their nature but one of those jobs is certainly not the medical field. If you're in the anger phase I get that you might have broad hostility, but as far as your particular comment I'd say that's a pretty unsupportable opinion to have.

Waldo00 10y ago

Yes mate. We gotta move from anger and jut keep our eyes ears and head aware of the bullshit female hamster. This is what women want anyway.

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NimbleStorm 10y ago

I can agree with females being emt and nurses and stuff it's the power tripping female officers who could shoot me if they're having a bad day that worry me.

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adreamtomeat 10y ago

As opposed to the male police officers who never power trip and shoot people?

NimbleStorm 10y ago

Speaking about female first responders, not how they differ from male first responders but the differences between EMT and people with guns.

You're right though, don't trust the police and certainly don't converse with them

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KyfhoMyoba 10y ago

The females always seem to have more to prove. I can't figure out why.

/sarc off

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JerfFoo 10y ago

You're making that up. I saw multiple comments near the top suggesting she should have called 911 and get an ambulance to him ASAP to cover all her bases. The guy would have gotten help if he was hurt, or they would have found roofies in his system if he did roofie himself.

Also, he pretty clearly wasn't having a stroke. Not even close. Are you sure you know what a stroke is?

EDIT: Ohhh, I was on mobile. Responded to the wrong comment. Meant to respond to the comment below yours. But if you upvoted his comment, then my points stands.

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Incognitro777 10y ago

Apparently, they never had sex. She says it's purely platonic for both of them. I asked if Kyle explicitly said so, she never replied.

What really takes the cake though is that Kyle... Ding Ding Ding... Has PAJAMAS that he leaves at OP's home.

AngraMainyuu 10y ago

Reverse the genders for a moment:

wife goes out of town, husband sneaks over to female he's known for years, they go out to a bar, they get a little drunk, she comes home with him and attempts to spend the night. MIL finds out, accuses the guy of cheating and /r/relationships defends the...wait no they don't. He was gonna cheat on his wife! Right??

I wish people would fucking wake up to the fact that men AND women cheat on their partners and what isn't okay for one, isn't okay for the other, because both are free agents capable of infidelity.

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NoodlesTheClown 10y ago

I had to do this just once with my current LTR, who is pretty awesome, and she got the hint very quickly.

Early on, the issue came up of her grabbing drinks with a male "friend" without me, because I was not in town. To her credit, she took the initiative and mentioned it to me.

My response, complete with shit-eating grin: "That's fine with me, if you'll be going out alone with your guy friends, then I reserve the right to go out alone with my girl friends."

Her: "Ok I trust you, just as long as they don't want to fuck you."

Me: "Unfortunately, I can't control what they want."

At that point, like an army that had been surrounded on both flanks, she waved her white flag and proposed that it's not good for either of us to be hanging out alone with the opposite sex, and that she won't be going out alone with any guys.

Worthy of note is the fact that she expressed a marked sense of happiness and relief that I was so willing to infer and enforce the boundaries, and the possible consequences of not adhering to them, without coming across as an insecure little bitch. Don't ever be afraid to turn the tables on a female, and as always, do it with some balls.

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UniversityofToronto 10y ago

Can someone repost this story with the reversed genders in a month? That would be hilarious.

Grasshopper21 10y ago

Actually I'm going to post the exact same story to /r/relationships (with reverse genders). I want to see what the reactions are like.

http://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/2wt9q5/my_motherinlaw_45_accused_me_30_m_of_cheating_on/ Link, if I missed anything important to the gender switch let me know.

abcd_z 10y ago

Well this looks like an interesting- and it's gone.

Grasshopper21 10y ago

I got 6 comments on people calling me troll and for trying to make the story a gender issue. I would have liked 1 real answer before I reported everyone in the thread for not adding to the question asked.

abcd_z 10y ago

Well the thread itself was deleted, so I doubt your reports had the effect you were hoping for. =/

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jayzeee78 10y ago

It all comes down to respect. I wouldn't do this to my wife out of sheer respect. I would expect the same from her.

ITravelin_Man 10y ago

Respect for her and your marriage/commitment. And integrity for you and your marriage.

MMABouncer 10y ago

Why not do an experiment. Wait a few weeks, then repost with genders reversed. Then post the results on Reddit.

JerfFoo 10y ago

Have you had the birds and bees talk yet? You realize a man and a woman being alone in a room does not equal sex/infidelity? It's a bit more involved.

nuesuh 10y ago

If that exact history on /r/relationships in 2 months, when this is forgotten.. They will tell you he's a creep for sure.

TheWeepingMan 10y ago

I always had a lot of female buddies I used to hang out with. I even did spend a night at their places once in a while, if convenient - even if in a relationship. As long as everyone involved is sexually satisfied (!), I do not see the problem here. I don't need to turn each and every woman I like into a ONS / fuckbuddy.

But on the other hand, people who do actually behave like adults and (sub-)communicate clear borderlines would probably not open up such a thread on /r/relationships...

Cloughtower 10y ago

What really struck me about this story was seeing just how far the pendulum has swung.

The top comments are literally railing against traditional values.

johnnight 10y ago

Somebody wait a few weeks and submit this to /r/relationships.

There will be documented proof for their gynocentrism.

rojo-pildora 10y ago

I'm going to make a throw away and do this in a month and see what happens. Science go!

love2fap 10y ago

feminists and white knights, assemble!

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Stayinghereforreal 10y ago

If she cheats, it is his fault anyway, so he deserves it.

stevredpill 10y ago

Didn't show her enough attention from all those late nights on the road working to pay the mortgage on their house that is filled up with useless shit that she bought and he doesn't even want, but it is okay, she knows better.

How dare he not show her attention and make her resort to cheating.

MaleGoddess 10y ago

he must've been doing something wrong.

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Stayinghereforreal 10y ago

Insert "/s" at the end of my comment, and it should be clear what I am actually saying.

FunAndFreedom 10y ago

There is nothing we can do to educate people like the ones in /r/relationships, but we can get lessons from them. Namely that people are very easy to manipulate given the right social construct.

Use this for "good" or "bad" as you see fit, but understand that the everyday person doesn't have the ability to see the world for what it is and that works to YOUR advantage.

DoctorHomunculus 10y ago

How does it work to my advantage though? I really am curious and looking for that answer.

FunAndFreedom 10y ago

That's a very open ended question, but I'll try my best to answer. If you listen to what is written here first off you will never end up as a beta buck, there's your first advantage and arguably the biggest. Even if a man never improved his sexual strategy and simply refused to be a beta buck he would have a great life by virtue of not being drained financially.

He could travel the world, save, live within his means, and have freedom. Ironically this would improve his SMV whether he wanted to or not.

Once you understand the motivation for female sexual strategy and you be able to make the hamster wheel work for you not against you. Dress well, stay in shape, demonstrate higher value, hold frame and you can lead on multiple plates into thinking they can find stability with you. Women will WANT you to cash out and be their BB, your power is that you can just say NO.

That might seem "mean" if you are still plugged in, but it's simply turning the game on women.

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FunAndFreedom 10y ago

I don't see WHY you wouldn't get into the top 20% physically. By the time you are 25 the only requirements for that is playing a sport 5 times a week and not eating like a pig.

Money itself won't get you laid in the same way lifting won't get you laid. But by being well off when you run game on girls it will be much more effective. If you are overt about it like the middle eastern guys can be it will turn the girls off. Well dressed + homeowner is about all the signaling you need in most cases.

You can get laid just as much as a natural alpha, you just need to be well networked. But for me spinning that many plates isn't really worth the raw time investment anymore

DoctorHomunculus 10y ago

Yea thanks for the reply man. My issue with understanding TRP seems to stemfrom the fact that i genuinely feel drained obsessing about women. I see so many of my friends going crazy over the pussy, when in reality all i want is to enjoy my life. I want that control to fuck or not fuck whenever i want and achieve goals in my life that are pussy independent.

FunAndFreedom 10y ago

I've been on both sides of the fence. Here's what makes women "addicting". At your age fucking one gives you instant social validation, it makes you "the man" in the eyes of other people. So of course your semi-plugged in mind says, "Yes, I must pursue the activity with the highest rewards". That's human nature.

Working out is a long game, you see results a year later. Studying is a longer game, you see the results after two years. That's why it's harder to obsess about them. But the rewards are infinitely greater.

I've obsessed about women, I've made all the mistakes you see on this board and then some, and I can say unequivocally the putting pussy on a pedestal does nothing for you. You need to raise your SMV, learn basic PUA, and hold frame. When you are doing it right women are supposed to be easy.

The other thing is, your friends. You don't need to be around a bunch of pussy obsessed kids who are prime to be future beta bux.

TekkomanKingz 10y ago

Sounds like you'd be perfectly happy going MGTOW and there is nothing wrong with it.

jiveraffe 10y ago

Flipping the script is always the best litmus test.

I wish people would fucking wake up to the fact that men AND women cheat on their partners

This is a manifestation of society's belief that women are inherently more "pure". Men's sexuality is seen as deviant (smut), while women's sexuality is seen as wholesome and romantic (50 Shades). Dalrock had a whole post about it recently.

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PlebDestroyer 10y ago

Flipping the script is always the best litmus test.

Not if you're redpill. We have already established that men and women are not equal, act accordingly. So if they aren't equal, how can you flip the script and come to a valid conclusion?

But at the same time what you are saying makes so much sense to me so idk.

Aveternity 10y ago

Yep, Dalrock's analysis of this is fantastic. Here is an older blog post regarding the "purity" of romantic sex: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/lovestruck/

rkingsley 10y ago

Interesting, he seems to have recycled the main thesis from the book "What is Marriage." (read this once; good stuff) http://www.amazon.com/What-Marriage-Man-Woman-Defense/dp/1594036225/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424717992&sr=8-1&keywords=what+is+marriage

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Ausfall 10y ago

women's sexuality is seen as wholesome and romantic (50 Shades)

Fun app that recreates a paragraph or two using the writing style of 50 Shades.

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[deleted] 10y ago

Such a poorly written book. Journalists everywhere are in tears, probably.

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implying that most journalist these days are doing much better

DeadlyCords 10y ago

12 reasons why journalists these days suck. #9 will shock you!

GV19 10y ago

Someone should just pretend to have that genuine concern and see what r/relationships says

Dongbei 10y ago

Let's wait a couple of weeks and submit a story exactly the same with the genders reversed.

This could be a thing it could be a real thing.

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kingis23 10y ago

So, its been two months. I think its about that time.

Dongbei 10y ago

I need a link to the original post. Please find it for me.

kingis23 10y ago

Fuck man it took me a while to find this. https://archive.is/2iQbT

Dongbei 10y ago

Alright, so I'll get started on it over the weekend. I weld railcars for a living and I'm absolutely fucked every evening, not to mention I'm getting re-certified in a week.

kingis23 10y ago

Sounds like a plan. Good luck with your recertification, hope all goes well.

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RobertCarraway 10y ago

That would be fantastic. To prevent us all from doing it, or no-one from doing it (thinking that someone else will) I nominate you, Dongbei, to perform the honors. You can then expose your trick on r/relationships and link is to it.

SplashArtist 10y ago

looking forward to your social experiment. Ganbatte ne! (goodluck)

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Glenbert 10y ago

Don't waste your time. Most of the children of Reddit are living in a politically correct lala land.

Check out this thread where some women say they are "totally fine" with their boyfriends sleeping on the same bed with a female "friend." https://archive.today/6XCaB

EDIT: Here's what I'm referring to from that link...

I don't set any boundaries, except for don't have sex with someone. I trust him completely, if he wants to get wasted at a lady friends house and sleep there that is just fine. Hell they can share a bed and spoon all night for all I care, I know he is not going to cheat on me so whatever.

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No sexual touching. Don't care about the rest of it - have friend over, go out with them, sleep in the same bed, whatever.

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I haven't set any boundaries. I trust him completely and he views most of his female friends as sisters anyway. He goes out with them one on one, gets drunk with them, has shared beds with them ... it doesn't bother me at all. He's an adult, and there's nothing sexual about any of it, and if there were he would put a stop to it.

Bullshit. These women are probably drunk on their SMV and aping PC horseshit because that what people drunk on their SMV sometimes do. 5 years from now they'll be saying, "How could I have been so stupid?"

Good luck trolling these knuckleheads.

Patranus 10y ago

What is hilarious is that these "woman" (I use that term loosely, they are really girls) are so insecure in their relationship that they allow themselves to be disrespected by their BFs in fear of losing their BFs.

Glenbert 10y ago

Nah. I don't think it's insecurity. They are so high on themselves that they can't even see their significant others as actual men or other women as having higher SMV/RMV.

Dongbei 10y ago

Ok. When do you think I should do it? Month seems safest.

MaleGoddess 10y ago

Are you going to make this post?

Dongbei 10y ago

I need a link to the original post in /r/relationships.

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waylandertheslayer 10y ago

Can you also post an update here (on TRP)?

RobertCarraway 10y ago

Month sounds about right. Somebody further down this thread already did it, I think? Hopefully that doesn't give the game away. I would copy that rendition and change enough of it so that you don't immediately trigger any recognition.

jasonfunk 10y ago

isn't there a reminder bot in most subs

MaleGoddess 10y ago

RemindMe! 1 month "Check /u/Dongbei's post history"

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markb4587 10y ago

Commenting on this thread to find it later and see this master piece play out.

Dongbei 10y ago

I'm commenting here to remind me to do this.

I'm going to be moving within the next month so the plans are in the works. I will, however, need too speed the schedule up a bit because I'm starting a new job and won't have time to focus on a reddit project.

markb4587 10y ago

I will legit help plan this.

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Bippotybop 10y ago

Yes, I want to see those whores contradict themselves

kingis23 10y ago

same here, this sounds epic

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ElKod 10y ago

It's more like: wife goes out of town for business. Husband openly goes out with mutual friend that he's known for 13 years and was at the wedding and knows the whole family on both sides. Then her MIL sees them and tries to frame the guy.

Wtf did the guy do wrong? Hang out with someone that's borderline family............? My friends are my family. If someone accused me of cheating with my friends, they'd be out of my house so fast they might approach the speed of light

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[deleted] 10y ago

If you establish rules at the beginning saying you will fuck other women, and she agrees, that's one thing. But to enter into an assumed monogamous relationship with someone means neither you nor her should be engaging in that type of behaviour.

JerfFoo 10y ago

What are you even talking about? What does polygamy/open relationships/monogamy have anything to do with this? You realize if they WERE polygamous, and the MIL did all the very same exact actions she did, she would still be a massive bitch right?

Also, maybe your parents haven't had the talk yet, but a man and a woman sharing the same room alone does not equal sex. It's a bit more complicated then that.

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[deleted] 10y ago

Either you're ugly, they're ugly, or you're lying.

Regardless, relationships are not about trust. Rather, trust is a consequence of a developed pattern of behavior. I trust people who don't frequently do things that require me to have to "trust them". I have essentially no tolerance for people that repeatedly require me to "just trust them." Aside from the fact that it's insulting, its a great indicator of what kind of loopy cunt you're dealing with. Nine times out of ten, a person who thinks it's important to "prove you trust them", they are going to accidentally cheat. The other 10% are pathologically insecure, otherwise psychologically troubled, or simply stupid. In all cases: next.

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Like anything else, people treat you the way you let them. I've been in relationships with numerous girls that didn't ask me to prove I trusted them. No cellphone password, no fb/email/social password not autosaved, no disappearing or being unreachable, no being alone with men. Of course, when someone is totally open like that, its really easy to trust them. I never even bothered to verify or creep through messages (not that there's anything wrong with that). I just trusted them because they didn't ask me to.

Its not because they were unicorns. Its because I expected this behavior. No ultimatims, no demands, just a genuine expectation that I will receive a certain level of respect. Its amazing how people behave when you expect them to behave a certain way and they know it. Even though everyone who gets cheated on says "it came out of nowhere", it never does. They didn't WANT to believe it, but they knew, could feel it in their gut immediately, often times before the cheating even happens.

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GC0W30 10y ago

If I were her husband, the big problem here is the nuclear attack her actions would be hitting my frame with.

He lost so much face.

I can get a new wife, but once my friends, family, coworkers, neighbors and boss hear the rumors...

My credibility is fucking shot. Unless this guy is 100% the outest stereotypically and flamboyantly gay man in town then I am permanently branded a pussy (if I was okay with him fucking her) or an idiot (if I thought he wouldn't fuck her).

Or we're hippies in San Francisco in an open marriage and the community has just decided we are flakes, and the damage has already been done.

But that is a different story. ...

Granny_Whisperer 10y ago

You are worried about your frame because your frame is based on weak foundations. If all it takes for your friends, family, coworkers, neigbors and boss to change their perception of you over such a minor ordeal you have a big problem. The problem is that you are trying to portray an image that is too far separated from what you really are.

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GC0W30 10y ago

If it was a minor ordeal you wouldn't be getting downvoted.

Now most people think his wife is cheating on him. If he puts up with this, many of the men in their community who know then will realize they could probably fuck his wife too.

If she was a 7 or above he has a huge problem......

And since he married this dumb bitch, he already had one more.

Granny_Whisperer 10y ago

His real problem is that he married a ho. Losing face isn't the problem. It's just a natural consequence of being a beta bitch while trying to project alpha image.

Players in his community already knew they could fuck his wife.

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Waldo00 10y ago

Just keep your head up and put your foot down. The women was completely right and vented to the sub because she genuinely doesn't understand. This is modern saintly goddess mentality at its best, she has been conditioned this way. She truly doesn't see the issue society and her husband never told her, and if she did end up having sex it just happened and it was the guys fault. doesn't at all see the problem with putting herself in this situation.

locomotronn 10y ago

Mothers love..

Swear I've never had my mom approve of any girls I've dated because they don't seem of class

speed3_freak 10y ago

Probably going to get a lot of hate for this, but I am the single friend in this situation. I've been great friends with K for years, but we've never had anything sexual. Even before she started dating her husband and we were both single, I never made an attempt because I see her as more of a sister. Her husband is also one of my best friends and we hang out a lot. It would not be out of the ordinary for me to crash in their guest room without her husband there if I'd had too much to drink to drive home, but it isn't an issue.

It doesn't have anything to do with him trusting his wife, he's fine with it because he trusts me. He knows our relationship, and knows that even if she attempted something (don't think it would ever happen) that I'd shut it down and tell him about it. People can be friends, and just because two people are of the opposite sex doesn't mean that they are automatically going to sleep together. I would never stay in the same room though.

Throway99038 10y ago

Your lady friend is a piece of work. She is planning to sue the MIL. The husband must have his lost his marbles the day he married her, if he is ok with her suing his mother over this.

speed3_freak 10y ago

I can definitely see how you misunderstood me, but I'm not the actual friend that this happened to. I have a similar situation with a couple where I'm the single friend. Their parents love me, and his mom would never do anything this crazy.

Nagger_ 10y ago

I think your taking an extremely impulsive take on this situation, you don't know their lives. He was the man of honor. If the husband had full knowledge of it then why the fuck not? You don't know their lives, but on the other hand, she is almost required to relay this information to her husband. Because it is out of the ordinary and not being transparent about it is suspect.

razikain 10y ago

What the flying fuck...it baffles me that people's morals have sunk this low. I mean, even when I still was a plugged blue pill such a thing would be unacceptable. What the hell.

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I think this not only shows that the sub loves validating women, but that it supports beta male behavior. Which is just as dangerous.

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Is this me? I literally go out and get drunk with my best friend when her husbands out of town and have gone back to her house to hang out and shared her bed. Nothing wrong with this at all. She's my friend, I love her, I would never, nor would she, do anything to destroy our friendship or her marriage. What's the problem here?

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Can't sleep on the fucking couch, no you have to sleep in the bed. Fuck off.

oldredder 10y ago

problem is sleeping in the same bed as her, HIS bed, is disrespectful to their marriage and would destroy most marriages.

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religious whack job marriages maybe, but not good marriages based on respect and trust..

oldredder 10y ago

so wrong. EVERY normal-headed, sane-person marriage is one where the bed isn't shared with extras outside the couple.

Whack-job crazy-slut needs-validation-everywhere people are the only people - very wrong and abnormal - who will let the marriage bed be shared by others.

The very notion of respect and trust requires no-sharing. The very act of sharing is at its core an act of disrespect in every possible way.

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We weren't sharing eachother, we shared a bed, a place to sleep. If you look further into it than that than that's your poragative, but it makes you seem pretty possessive and insecure.

oldredder 10y ago

It doesn't. It makes me look wise. Most people sharing a bed share each other then lie about it if married to someone else.

Corndog_Enthusiast 10y ago

The kicker at the end: "Any help in any way with this would be appreciated".

BITCH, DON'T BE LOOKIN FOR VALIDATION

torodinson 10y ago

It is ok..... for them. I wouldn't stick around.

mickydonavan417 10y ago

immorality is the problem. It would never even occur to a good wife to be going out with a male friend without her husband or at least other female friends. Even if nothing happens, anyone who sees you will think you are a whore and your husband is a cuckold. How could you do that to your family?

DreadLockedHaitian 10y ago

It would never even occur to a good wife to be going out with a male friend without her husband or at least other female friends.

This cannot be stated enough. I had a situation like this last weekend with my best friend and his girl.

Yeah, me and his girl are friends now; but only because she's with my best friend.

It's not that we don't enjoy each others company but unless it's something that fosters some sort of professional or life enrichment; why would we be out getting drunk with each other without him?

We didn't even have a discussion about this. It's just kind of implied and abided by.

williamwilliam2 10y ago

If a married men has some side mistresses or flings, he is less likely to be on alert for his wife's misdeeds. Also, if his wife went cold on him being sexless, he may just be living with her like a sister.

newbie3hunna 10y ago

I literally have no clue how anyone could think this is acceptable behavior. What a good mom though, trying to standing up for her pathetic beta son who obviously can't do it himself. She was smart to take photos and do it in the fashion she did. She knew bringing it up in private would just result in the wife blowing it off as her being crazy and that she would easily get away with it because her husband is a pussy.

Why the hell does he have to stay the night? They were drunk and play cards "kind of". Nothing about this makes any sense. Even if she didn't plan on cheating it is disgusting behavior for a married women. He's away, you know, paying for the fucking house she is at. While she gets wasted with her male best friend and "playing cards before they go to sleep, tee-hee". What a stupid fucking whore. Usually this shit doesn't piss me off, but the fact all these retards are trying to blame the MIL for this whores actions is just unacceptable and disgusting.

fap_the_pain_away 10y ago

People will take as much as you let them. It's human nature. If men are pathetic weaklings too scared to put their women in place, then those women will simply do whatever the hell they want.

You almost think these weak ass betas deserve to suffer. For being so stupid. But then you have to remind yourself that our society is a bizarre aberration; an unnatural lie; a big farce and scam. This is a slave colony with political and material motives behind its careful livestock management techniques. It's a Blue Pill Matrix in here.

And then, pity. You really need to pity these poor fools. These fatass manboobs. These sycophantic betas. These thirsty white knights. Easily manipulated peasants. Teach them to make a mockery of their own manhood, and that's just what they'll do.

In a proper society this woman would literally be put to death. Not that she'd ever be paired up with such a failure of a man to begin with. Patriarchy is rational and fair, after all.

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Those two PM's made me cringe so hard....sooooo hard.

Those poor men. How fucking beta/pussy-whipped do you have to be..... If those two women aren't fucking their "friends" (who, lets admit, might be beta bucks too) they are DEFINITELY fucking other men. I can see that hamster right now as they were writing to OP chastizing him "Well, I don't fuck THOSE male friends, so clearly married women can have platonic male friends. Damn, Derek's dick was sooo good last night. I wonder if he's free tonight while hubby is out..."

AWALT

Prodigy5 10y ago

There should be a woman logic meme

T-rexTea 10y ago

This might be it.

blue_27 10y ago

That doesn't make any sense.

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djxpress 10y ago

Is there a way to comment on that thread? Those people are f'ing crazy!

TylerX5 10y ago

my best friend of nearly 13 years, let's call him Kyle ... was my man of honor at my wedding ... [my husband] confirms that he's our best friend and we always hang out and there's nothing going on here

This is a unique set of circumstances, I'm inclined to believe she is being honest.

Stormhammer 10y ago

It's oddly pretty common nowadays.

watersign 10y ago

This is why women need to be disciplined

oldredder 10y ago

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ucfgavin 10y ago

Eh, if she wants to have a friend zoned guy that she hangs out with, I'm ok with it to an extent. I'll make my opinions known about it, and a guys intention 99% of the time. The rest is on her. If anything happens, I'm out and its her fault. There are no apologies and making up and taking anyone back, its over.

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mmp31 10y ago

It's one thing if the MIL is gathering evidence that DIL is cheating, but it's pretty fucked up that she'd show that evidence to everyone in her family without proof. She should have kept it between her, her son, and daughter-in-law. MIL is a crazy bitch.

He didn't jump to his wife's defense when his mother called her out. He simply walked out. why? Because his wife has no fucking defense.

That is simply not true. OP said:

"my husband who just came out of shock also confirms that he's our best friend and we always hang out and there's nothing going on here. She then says something like "Oh son don't try to defend it I know she's your wife", that was the point I lost it and went out, husband came after me and we went back home. Husband had a very long (and heated) conversation with her earlier today but really she just made a lot of mess, as most, if not all of the family believed her and look at me as a cheater."

miketech18 10y ago

Im reading this wondering how her husband didnt punch her friends face inside out when he is in the guys home.

ElKod 10y ago

I am going to get some downvotes because the hard truth hurts everyone, no matter how open their eyes are.

When I came into Canada from another country, a girl from the same country as me came within a few weeks and we lived in the same building for a year. Needless to say, we became friends. Along with other women and men. That was 12 years ago.

About 5 years after that I got into a LTR. Can you guys seriously imagine not talking to these people because you have a girlfriend?? I've never made a move to date my friends, fuck them, see them naked or ANYTHING because sometimes people.. Trust each other?

I'm guessing some of the people here haven't had a female friend that they were not sexually attracted to or that they didn't consider "If she asked me to sleep with her, I would in a heart-beat". That's the same shit. Not everyone is cheating ALL THE TIME. 50% of marriages last, that doesn't mean all those men are being lied to.

It's fucking human to have friends of the opposite sex. I lived with my LTR and then we moved into separate houses but still go out. One day a younger girl came to my house, we smoked up, we drunk and then we slept on the same fucking bed. The morning after, we woke up hung-over and we had breakfast. Then she went home. WTF IS WRONG WITH THAT.

Grow a pair, realize that not every pussy in your life is gonna want your dick inside no matter how fucking Dorian Grey you are. Have friendly vaginas, that you don't attempt to fuck but rather help with her life BECAUSE SHE DOES THE SAME FOR YOU. If you can't find a single female that's willing to be your friend, it kinda makes sense you can't get laid because you're probably an asshole (or don't know how to talk to women)

QUICK EDIT: That MIL in the original story is batshit fucking insane and belongs to /r/raisedbynarcissists. 10/10 would snap in half

Second edit: I got like 20 downvotes from this comment and the ones that followed.. Meanwhile I got no replies as to why I was wrong. I love this sub, but some people are never gonna learn to be happy weather they get everything they want or not one thing. I hope you guys can actually realize you are still putting your self-worth in the hands of what others think

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oldredder 10y ago

Grow a pair yourself: you have no balls of men are sleeping in your bed with your wife when you're not there.

trplurker 10y ago

Cough

Considering the sheer number of wives and "former girls friends who've married other men" that I've fucked, after the fact, I disagree with pretty much everything you just wrote. Hanging out with friends / ect is perfectly fine, but bringing them home in a one on one situation, well that just absolutely invites "mistakes" to happen. The girl in that situation was definitely "open" the chance of that guy fucking her, she left all the doors open and made sure that if he pursued should wouldn't block it. I know this because I've done my fair share of persueing and can spot that shit a mile away.

ElKod 10y ago

This is not that case. You are talking about yourself as the pursuing man to a woman that doesn't know you for 10+ years, while you where not her husband's friend, while you didn't go to their wedding, while you have no idea what they've been thru together.. I'm sure women cheat, I've been there.. But not all of them do just like not all men do, sometimes a decade of knowing someone can change the sexual tension.

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Waldo00 10y ago

I wish man. I've had friendships and one or the other wants more. No way around it, you put a dick and a vagina in a room together for long enough, they fuck. You were orbited by that girl in her mind. Not to say you weren't genuinely interested as friends but she imagined you as one of her fail safes.

ElKod 10y ago

You can't be orbited if you aren't chasing them.... Sometimes the girl isn't that hot, sometimes she's not straight, sometimes the kink doesn't match.

I've told plates I couldn't keep seeing them cuz the sex sucked. If I already know this female friend isn't into the same shit I'm into, and our parents are friends with each other, WHY GIVE THAT UP?? She'll only ever be a friend.

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RevDrStrangelove 10y ago

Maybe he likes the taste of another man's cock on his wife's lips. Some dudes are into that. That's his business. Or maybe he's getting so much on the side that he's ok with letting her think she's getting away with something. Again, none of my business.

I, however, would put her ass out on the spot. I have a rule about 'friends' of the opposite sex, so this would have been nipped in the bud either way.

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rahul047 10y ago

Doesn't the husband defend his wife by telling his mum that it's her best friend? I think she was the one who walked out if I read it correctly.

Greenmonster71 10y ago

The friend is a loser why would you insert yourself into that

Mr_Bignutties 10y ago

Maybe he likes the fit? Perhaps he's cute?

All sorts of reasons to insert himself into the friend.

Greenmonster71 10y ago

Why would a woman's friend be inserting himself into a situation where he is spending the night at her house as a friend while her husbands out of town and then just breed drama. That's so gay

WeCantHaveFun 10y ago

These are so funny, they make me sick.

Marriage is a fucking net loss no fucking question.

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1independentmale 10y ago

"How would you feel if after a night of clubbing I crashed at (insert name of male friend she's known since high school)'s place because he lives near the club?"

"Absolutely not. Call me, I'll either pick you up or send a cab and you can crash at my place instead."

Would have been my response. If she's looking for an excuse to fuck the guy, she will find a thousand reasons why it's better if she just crashes there. If she tries to force you into it, dump her ass.

Also, not sure why your girl is going out clubbing without you. Girls night out is one thing. Partying in mixed company? Remind me again why I'm not invited and you need to crash at some dudes place? Fuck off with that hamster. If I'm in a serious relationship with a girl, we do shit like this together and after, we go back to my place to do what we do.

If I were you I would bring this back up and let her know you don't want her crashing at homeboy's place. There are plenty of options for getting her drunk ass home.

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You are a moron for not setting a clear boundary.

ilirm 10y ago

I think you handled this in the correct manner by laughing it off. When you don't give her a straight answer and Crack a joke instead it gets her hamster going. Does he care? Does he not? Iet me do something nice for him just in case. It's gold.

Waldo00 10y ago

You can't man. She gon do wht she gon to do. When she does this behaviour it should immediately remind you why girlfriends and marriage are fucking wastes of men's energy, and while she was a blast for the time that you had her, demote that sloot back to plate.

trplurker 10y ago

How could I better deal with this?

Stop putting her on a pedestal would be a good start. No don't try to hide it or rationalize it away, yes you have framed her in glowing remarks and thus you desire to see her succeed. She's run successful girl game on you and got you bullshited, expect her to start abusing you or even walk away in another few months.

fluviant 10y ago

Submissive, eager to please, etc. Shit tests are relatively infrequent

She's just going with the flow for now. You're not inciting any excitement out of her; that's why there are no shit tests.

Did she sleep at the guy friend's house or not?

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fluviant 10y ago

she asked me hypothetically

That's where you put your foot down. That's a shit test through-and-through. Stamp that kind of bullshit OUT of your LTR.

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c8a8 10y ago

No where in the post did it say they slept in the same bed.

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Newdist2 10y ago

Seriously, I don't get it when people get jealous over stuff like that, unless there's a good reason to be suspicious.

Because genes which express themselves by producing a man who does **not*** get jealous over that kind of shit..... mostly died out a million years ago.

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MightyTaint 10y ago

That's one of the refreshing things about the TRP sub. People can talk, opinions can evolve, and we can admit when we see other's points, because we're all big boy men and men do that. On practically any other sub, it's just "argue argue argue, me me me I have to be right!!!"

CrazyPaws 10y ago

Even so and even with trust the idea of my wife using another man for emotional closeness and validation. Those are things that make a relationship. Even if it was purely platonic I would be hurt by it. The husband may or may not be alright with it on principal or because not being ok with it would end up costing him more pain than he gets from it happening. The bottom line is it doesn't matter what you have a right to do when your actions hurt those you committed to love. If you honestly need this other man like that maybe you should talk to your husband and him about some form of alternate kind of relationship as clearly you need more than your husband can provide.

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netgrey 10y ago

Ok, we get it. You're proud to be friend zoned by a bunch of married women. This isn't normal behavior, despite your repeated attempts to justify it.

CrazyPaws 10y ago

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your situation. As long as everyone's happy its golden. But my point was its not about trying to fuck her or even if either one of you has or doesn't have the desire to do so. Its about emotional intimacy and how the SO feels about it weather spoken or not. Also on some level it is physical not sexual but physical if it wasn't you wouldn't sleep in the same bed. Most guys no mater how trusting they are would not and in my option should not be comfortable with that unless they are of a more open type of relationship. I'm not trying to be preachy but I wouldn't let myself feel that emotionally and physically connected to another woman no matter how innocent it was. I don't know how to say this so I'm going to go for a horrible metafor. Just because your cold and sit by a fire doesn't mean you'll burn but I've never known someone to burn who wasn't close to a fire at some point. This world is a lot more complicated than we would like mostly so were emotions are concerned. I'm not saying that 2 people who are close are going to fall in love just because they are quite close but it makes it not just possible but expone ntially mo re likely. So yes while neither of you are doing anything wrong in any sort of way there are still risks and reactions to it that you may not see or even know about. On a side not I always enjoy talking to people who expand there view and help me expand my own. Thanks also as a side question would you say that you love this woman? Not as a wife or girlfriend maybe as a sister?

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cmccarthy93 10y ago

Thats the beauty of it, you don't even really have to try. You will naturally be drawn towards those with similar smv.

EDIT: nevermind there is something wrong with you

Unsounds 10y ago

All these posts do to me, is throw me back momentarily to the anger phase.

On one hand, it helps remind you that AWALT, on the other, it certainly isn't good for my heart conditions to be constantly angry...

Tarnsman4Life 10y ago

I hear you, reading some of the comments brought the anger boiling up. Then I remembered AWALT and like kids, women will run wild if you don't set and hold boundaries.

mickydonavan417 10y ago

it doesnt help when your culture enables this behavior either. These days bitches will accuse you of being controlling and emotionally abusive because you wont let her fuck other men. Its insanity.

Rooibosisboss 10y ago

all i see is a messed wife with a messed up mother in law, with a guy with absolutely no dignity left in the middle.

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valhalladclxvi 10y ago

She may or may not be cheating, but her behavior is out of line.

ontay 10y ago

It all comes down to, dont do anything you would get mad at me for doing.

Adolf_ghandi 10y ago

To be fair I think MIL wants her gone.

But she also punished her disrespectful behaviour. Lesson learned I guess.

mickydonavan417 10y ago

if my son was married to a whore I'd want her gone too. is anyone seriously buying this besties he has PJs at my house bullshit? Shes in such denial about how huge a slut she is she cant even cop to it anonymously on the internet.

winndixie 10y ago

I wonder would it be just ask "okay" if the genders were switched, a man bringing home a woman just to sleep over.

LadyLumen 10y ago

While the husband may be okay with his wife having a male best friend, his reaction speaks volumes.

I agree with this. The fact that he wasn't flipping out at his mom or vehemently defending his wife shows that he does feel like something is wrong.

Also, in the text the woman says "We were playing cards (sort of)."

Off the bat that seems kind of fishy.

Also there is the fact that MIL doesn't like her and never has liked her. Many times when a parent doesn't like a partner, their not always wrong.

I'm not going to jump to conclusions and say that this woman was automatically cheating. I mean, there are people who do have friends of the opposite gender. But the situation certainly doesn't seem right.

oldredder 10y ago

oh ya.

We're opposite genders and up playing cards all night, sort of, maybe don't sleep, maybe sleep. In the same bed of course because we're just close friends and you trust me.

And clothes? Wow, they're so constricting, we won't be needing those. Because you trust me, right honey? You have a nice business-trip now!

LULZ + I can't even.

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BeAManNotABitch 10y ago

Unless he uses the memory of the wedding to fuel his hate for you. Op and that guy have been friends for 13 years and are "very close", he has to be an orbiter. As we all know, orbiters have been known to do all sorts of crazy shit to try to win over girls.

Waldo00 10y ago

Yep rp would agree, this man has been hanging on through thick and thin, she has a good backup and doesn't understand the problem. But when hubby pisses her off or fucks off, orbiter may get his one time payday. Beggars can't be choosers

1independentmale 10y ago

My money says he's already fucked her.

People cheat. Spend enough voluntary alone time with a member of the opposite sex and feelings often develop. They clearly get along well and have much in common or they wouldn't have this weird bestie thing going on. While Joe Orbiter may not have had a chance early on, the long game can be fruitful for him. All relationships have their ups and downs and I guarantee he has been damn sure to "be there for her" during the downs.

Even if that means only acting as an emotional tampon, he has unique "girlfriend" insight into their relationship, which he can and will use to his advantage. With hubby blissfully trusting wifey around this guy, they have ample opportunity to fuck with nobody the wiser. That's tough to turn down, even for a wife who may have initially had every intention of being faithful and no sexual desire for the orbiter. Especially after she hits the wall and the realities of married life have fully set in.

Tarnsman4Life 10y ago

So many women, so many orbiters, so many men with no self respect. That whole thread made me a little sad at just how common this slut in waiting behavior is.

mickydonavan417 10y ago

I swear, i dont think i'd ever knowingly date a redditor. The women here are too astoundingly fucked up.

JonnyZar 10y ago

What in the flying fuck is wrong with people? This is some shit my ex would have done, I can't believe how naive I was. This sub has set me free.

helolover 10y ago

I hope he's fucking 20 other women when he's out of town....

mickydonavan417 10y ago

I hope hebrings home a bastard for her to raise like Ned Stark.

Happyhappyjoyjoy123 10y ago

The post itself sounds like a made up story to me. However the responses seem like typical reddit to me... a married couple can freely set any parameters they want for their relationship...so no surprise by the answers.

What rich lady is out stalking her dil? A truly rich woman hires a PI for that kind of stuff. What rich woman with any class hosts a party, in her home, to embarrass a guest? How could all these family members (assuming they were at the couple's wedding which was 2 years ago) forget the MAN of honor? The whole story sounded fake to me.

oldredder 10y ago

it's not made up. I'm looking at personals ads now for women to have a random man fuck her / etc. with husband "ok with it"

Happyhappyjoyjoy123 10y ago

???

Not following your logic

Are you saying the reddit story is true because you are reading unrelated ads for cuckolding?

oldredder 10y ago

logic: they are related because they both happen and are the same topic

It's a real thing that really happens so believing this one isn't real has no logical basis.

Icanberoberta 10y ago

I agree with you. I had a male bestfriend before I started dating my husband. Once me and my husband started getting serious, I dwindled the relationship with the male bestfriend... Years later this said guy was being a bit too close for comfort and I again ended the friendship with him. I'm a faithful person and the only male in my life should be my husband, family and than friends. MIL is totally awesome for calling out the scum whore of a DIL. I guess the sanctity of marriage has gone out the window these days eh? Let's take a look back in the fifties when things were much different! Grrr, this comment could twirl out of control. edit- it twirled

ElKod 10y ago

Yes.. Because "the way things were in the 50's" is not what led to creating divorce itself......... Are you sure you'd want to stay with the same guy if he changed? What about after the first beating?

It might be shocking to the status qou folk but people and society as a whole... GASP Evolve

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Icanberoberta 10y ago

This isn't evolving, this is devolving.

ElKod 10y ago

LOL your personal opinion doesn't really dictate the way the majority of the population lives. Evolution always moves forward. Some would call TPR devolving because we're CERTAINLY not pushing for everyone to snatch a wife and have a kid with her as fast as hormones allow it.

Move somewhere with more traditional marriage values or find someone from there that believes in that. I hear south-american women are quite the faithful type. Same with middle-eastern and some asian women. Those are strong marriage values. If you want an american girl, she comes with american baggage.

EDIT: Forgot you are a woman.... You should think for a while weather the "loose women" scare you because they could entice your man or because you feel jealous.. If everyone was happy with what they have, everyone should be happy letting others have what they want.

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Icanberoberta 10y ago

HAHAHAH. Neither does yours and your painful try at attacking someone with an actual opinion. You truly have your eyes shut if you think infedality is an ok thing. A number of people would disagree and I'm sorry that upsets you. My opinion, don't hate on it. Many others have the same.

oldredder 10y ago

the majority shares this opinion - that's what dictates it

Icanberoberta 10y ago

OMG you are the chicks best friend! You should be ashamed of yourself!

ElKod 10y ago

I am a few chicks closed friend? Do you guys know that if you are nice to a woman and they realize you aren`t only after sex... They pay for your stuff once in a while?? GAAAAAAAAAASP

Some people here are so sad.. They go from the dogma of being a beta to the dogma of always being the most alpha no matter what. Find a balance, get laid, hit on women in public places. Just try to be happier every day.. Wtf is wrong with that???

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monsieurhire2 10y ago

"1) One who is also married, has several male best friends she sometimes sleeps in the same bed with. But her husband is okay with it because he trusts her.

Can't imagine my Mom or my sister doing this. Can't imagine my Dad or my brother-in-law being okay with it.

mickydonavan417 10y ago

these women are so detached from reality. its pure madness. No man i know would be okay with this, and only the worst women I know would even try it. I've been the male best friend and I would never do this with a female friend in a committed relationship. I refuse to promote and enable infidelity. Word is bond and family first.

Danedina 10y ago

I think you're forgetting how many dead marriages there are. I could imagine a lot of guys simply no longer care what their fat-ass wives do as long as they have to listen to less of their bullshit.

I was in a dead marriage. I bit the bullet and got divorced. Left her the apartment because of the kids and started over with nothing. I got no sympathy for the chumps of this world who refuse to remove themselves from their sorry states.

Patranus 10y ago

I could imagine a lot of guys simply no longer care what their fat-ass wives do as long as they have to listen to less of their bullshit.

Until it becomes public and they look like chump.

mickydonavan417 10y ago

You raise a very good point. Maybe that's the context that should be put forth in these situations in the future. If your husband is okay with you sharing your bed with other men, he probably doesn't love you anymore.

C00l_Guy 10y ago

Like the saying goes. Alpha fucks and beta cucks.

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cassandrita 10y ago

Best comment in this thread:

My husband would tell me that if he came in and saw me naked with another man he'd know I'd have a good explanation for it...that's the relationship we had.

This woman had "permission" if you will from her husband to have friend over, go out with, party etc., from her husband...end of story.

Let's say I am MIL, I'm driving home, see these two walking tipsy...I'd have stopped and offered them a ride home! What I would not do is get the camera out, snapping all the way, stalk them, "drop in" on them and THEN have a party so I can lower them bomb on them and humiliate them in front of the family.

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jcrpta 10y ago

My husband would tell me that if he came in and saw me naked with another man he'd know I'd have a good explanation for it...that's the relationship we had.

Yeah. They were having sex. It's a perfectly good explanation.

Might not be one he likes, but she didn't say anything about that.

Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 10y ago

When the male and female hamster combine.

through_a_ways 10y ago

When that happens, many more hamsters are born.

Newdist2 10y ago

My husband would tell me that if he came in and saw me naked with another man he'd know I'd have a good explanation for it

Tripped, fell, landed on his dick.

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rebuildingMyself 10y ago

That's essentially what my whore ex said. "It just happened!"

The dinner and drinks with the man beforehand just happened as well, I imagine

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mickydonavan417 10y ago

i guess her husband doesnt mind his wife fucking other men.

speed3_freak 10y ago

Thats the same thing I read.

through_a_ways 10y ago

It's like with American cops.

"The gun discharged"

trpalternate 10y ago

It wasn't her fault that she let it "discharge" all over her.

abcd_z 10y ago

"Open and shut case, Johnson. I saw this once before when I was a rookie. Apparently this nigger broke in and hung up pictures of his family everywhere."

-Dave Chappelle stand-up routine

Incognitro777 10y ago

People say George Carlin is the best, but Chappelle passed him a long time ago. His material is so real, and the punchlines are so unexpected Lol.

Have you heard his new 2015 material?

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KyfhoMyoba 10y ago

I just LOVE the passive voice - no accountability what. So. Fucking. Ever.

arbyq5000 10y ago

while you're correct that there isn't any accountability in the statement, it is in the active voice.

Newdist2 10y ago

So passive would be... "a bullet was discharged from the gun"?

arbyq5000 10y ago

precisely; the passive voice involves a form of the verb to be, in this case, "was"

lonehowl 10y ago

damnnnnn arby's man givin' us some grammar lessons n' shiet

rebuildingMyself 10y ago

My ex told me she wanted to spend a few days in another city and will be crashing at her ex boyfriends house to save money. I told her no problem and that her stuff will be in a box at her sisters when she gets back. Cue the shit tests and hamstering.

In the end she didn't go.

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creatineboss 10y ago

"This is basic relationship shit. Even though there are homosexuals and pansexuals and polyamorous and merfolk and all kinds of weird love triangles/pentagrams on Reddit, most of Reddit is a bunch of 20-something heterosexual relationship novices with no life experiences, and that what this post is all about.

You need to get your shit together and stop emotionally cheating on your husband with Kyle if you expect to stay married."

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fuckkinnn lol

_Dog- 10y ago

My husband knows this, and he's a very good friend with Kyle too. He was my man of honor in my wedding

And this tells us all we need to know about the husband. I bet his mommy was there to help throughout his life.

Uckcan 10y ago

Yeah these people really are clowns.. What's the need for any guy to spend the night over? Have some effing class and take care of your sh*t

mickydonavan417 10y ago

i dont even know what these bitches lack I cant even say its class. I know women with neck tattoos that wouldnt do this shit.

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snakeob 10y ago

She's completely calculated. SHe even appeals to the masses as being a poor white girl not from high class stalk. Fuck off Cinderella.

theDarkAngle 10y ago

I would have asked OP two questions:

What does "playing poker (sort of)" mean?

Have you ever had sex of any kind with Kyle, even before you met your husband?

I have a feeling the answers would have been... long.

TheRabbitWarren 10y ago

Wow what is next for the rationalisation hamster. Next week we'll be hearing stories how her best male friend and her get naked in bed just to give each other visual body exams. Health is very important and they need to do this every few days! They would never fuck each other he's just a sexy ripped friend how could anyone come to that conclusion flabberghasted. Sex is sacred and should only performed once a month with her devoted husband gosh darn it.

sway_usa 10y ago

We're already living in the "next level" of the hamster. It's called "polyamory". They just straight up fuck other people with no remorse.

ilirm 10y ago

Lol polyamory is just for ugly women to keep a harem of manchildren. I've never ever witnessed a good looking or even average poly girl. The men are even worse. Your worst neckbeard nightmare.

sway_usa 10y ago

That's how it started, but just wait until the 8+ female crowd realizes they can do the same without consequence. They will. Women act as bad as they are allowed.

oldredder 10y ago

Maybe there is consequence. The 8+ hotness women want real, hot men and those men will NOT tolerate this, they are almost all alphas. It's alpha instinct to want to either pound the face in of another man doing this, or they're buddies and high-five each other over the spit-roast and the girl has no value to either one of them.

pervvv 10y ago

http://www.ted.com/talks/esther_perel_the_secret_to_desire_in_a_long_term_relationship

oldredder 10y ago

Interesting and insightful. Not really related to the comments above but a good thing to see.

fymynyst 10y ago

I would absolutely love to see this story posted identically with he/she reversed, just too see Reddit have a melt down with how inappropriately the husband is behaving.

Also, if this male "friend" is such a good friend, why is she only suddenly interested in seeing him now that her husband is away?

VarsitySlutTeamCpt 10y ago

I bet they'd be less vocal and supporting if it was the husband that spent the night with his female best friend.

bells_320 10y ago

That's because a married man's female best friend was a plate once. A married woman's male best friend is an orbiter. Orbiters gotta go once you get married and that is where this guy fucked up. He allowed wife to keep her orbiters; which allowed her to keep plausible deniability i.e. my husband is friends with Kyle/wouldn't mind him sleeping over.

MIL saw something that, to normal society, doesn't make sense. Turns out her son doesn't have a frame to hold.

1independentmale 10y ago

You nailed it. Orbiters are the worst. Those assholes will fuck your girl at the drop of a hat if given the chance. They have no respect for you, every word out of their mouths is intended to undermine your relationship.

JerfFoo 10y ago

I've never had a problem being just friends with women. That's probably because I don't let centuries-old-social-delusions live my life for me.

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abcd_z 10y ago

He allowed wife to keep her orbiters

As I see it, this is a no-win situation. Either you don't raise a fuss over her orbiters (which comes with the obvious problems), or you insist she stop spending time with them, which will only cause her to hide her interactions with the orbiter(s) from you and will add to the appeal of spending time with him due to its forbidden status.

Here's my solution to the problem: never settle down, spin plates for the rest of your life, and never promise nor expect monogamy to/from a woman. It has a few downsides, but it does mean I never have to deal with orbiter drama. In fact, I'm free to push women towards their orbiters, because I'm honestly okay with whatever she does when she's not with me.

That non-neediness is incredibly attractive to women.

pervvv 10y ago

http://www.ted.com/talks/esther_perel_the_secret_to_desire_in_a_long_term_relationship

BlackHeart89 10y ago

Nah. Damn that. If her husband is going to put up with that shit, then she did nothing wrong. He gave her the ok to do it, then so be it.

Personally, I'd be ready to choke the shit out of my girl for that. But if I tell her its ok to do, then thats my fault for being a bitch.

Moolg86 10y ago

I kind of admire the MIL's actions in a way. expertly calculated response. worst case scenario there is some sort of cheating going on and she's alerted her son and immediate family members that something isn't right.

in one fell swoop she shifted the entire balance towards one end, if in case there was an affair going on.

and on the other hand, if nothing was going on, or an affair was beginning to crescendo, she effectively ended/prevented one by painting out OP as a sketchy woman. a sort of social sword of Damocles if you will.

whosthisguythinkheis 10y ago

seems like a total bitch to me.

imagine if you were the son, didn't know this random guy and had to deal with it in front of your whole family. she didn't want to get further evidence, actually figure out what's up, the MIL just totally came to her own conclusion based on her own confirmation bias and used it to put both the son and the DIL in a humiliating position.

10 points for caring for her son, -200 for execution.

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Endevour 10y ago

No, fuck that shit. We need more people dragging unfaithfull wives into the spotlight and shaming them for what they're doing. It's becoming more and more acceptable to have a "man on the side", just look at popular culture. This used to be grounds for lawfull punishment, and now it's just waved away as if it was nothing.

Lifelong social branding is what should follow.

whosthisguythinkheis 10y ago

if you're shit at choosing who to trust that's on you. don't expect others to bring it up to you.

if anything it's a symptom of your decision making. so fix that.

Endevour 10y ago

There's nothing wrong with my decision making. I'm taking in a broader sense, about society.

whosthisguythinkheis 10y ago

i was too, my choice of words was poor sorry.

krakosia 10y ago

Imagine a husband doing this after he finds his wife has been cheating on her. Think like a woman. Arrange a party, get her and your best friends and then out her in front of them all. She has no ground to stand on and everything is out in the open, battle lines are drawn. No way she can manipulate her way out of the situation and take friends on both sides with her.

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She was too much of a drama whore to turn that situation into major future leverage...which, as you point out, gave her all the cards going forward.

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BuckStricklandx 10y ago

heres one:

So hey, my best friend was also man of honor at my wedding. We make horrible jokes/inappropriate jokes and we typically greet each other by groping boobs or butts. And there never has been, nor will there be any romantic lustful thoughts/desires there. Because he's my friend and I'm HAPPILY married to my husband. He's like my older brother and it would be weird for both of us. People frequently think we're together when we're out because of how close we are. He's not gay (not that it even matters) and people CAN chose to not screw around with members of the opposite sex. Just a PSA there, buddy.

Yeah like im just gonna sit there and let some assclown grab my wife's tits and ass all day, and then get lectured about how this guy has never had and never will have (lol) "romantic/lustful" thoughts between them. "It would be weird for both of us!" lol weird is letting your friend feel you up and acting like it doesn't mean anything to him.

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What bothers me here is the parenthetically enclosed phrase: playing cards (sort of).

When women talk like that, that kind of shit is likely to contain the critical details. It's like by saying stuff like that, they convince themselves that they've already told the whole truth.

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trpalternate 10y ago

I laughed at that part because my wife and I actually use "playing cards" as a euphemism for sex.

mmp31 10y ago

It could also just mean they were attempting to play cards but were too drunk to focus. We'll never really know for sure, but you do have a point about the parenthetical phrase being loaded. That's the sort of comment that would set off my BS detector in a face to face conversation.

krakosia 10y ago

That's the yada yada of Seinfeld.

abcd_z 10y ago

George: Listen to this. Marcy comes up and she tells me her ex-boyfriend was over late last night, and "yada yada yada, I'm really tired today." You don't think she yada yada'd sex.

Elaine: (Raising hand) I've yada yada'd sex.

George: Really?

Elaine: Yeah. I met this lawyer, we went out to dinner, I had the lobster bisque, we went back to my place, yada yada yada, I never heard from him again.

Jerry: But you yada yada'd over the best part.

Elaine: No, I mentioned the bisque.

khxddr 10y ago

What bothers me here is the parenthetically enclosed phrase: playing cards (sort of).

They were playing strip poker.

Seriously though, the MIL is a gigantic drama whore, the wife doesn't respect her husband, and the husband is too spineless to tell her that having drunk men over isn't acceptable even if there's no fucking.

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....and there's probably been fucking.

krakosia 10y ago

The mother is a drama queen narcissistic . What kind of upbringing do you think the kid had?

Calledtoservethewild 10y ago

I'm guessing both women have him so whipped, that wifey knows she wins in a contest of wills if just her husband found out, which is why mom went nuclear on her.

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lolskaters 10y ago

I don't think they found my post funny.

http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/1558853

Aerobus 10y ago

Try it a week from now, but don't make it that obvious. Don't copy paste the title or the text. Change it up so it's believable, but not so much so that it's an entirely different post. Many laughs will be had.

ho_made_apple_butter 10y ago

Should try it again in a week after the original fades away. For science.

Waldo00 10y ago

Holy shit real experiments be happenin here.

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iBeNiko 10y ago

i really wanna see the outcome, i know what it will be but i still wanna see it.

tmbridge 10y ago

RemindMe! 9 Days "Repost edited story"

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RemindMe! 9 Days "Repost edited story"

iBeNiko 10y ago

RemindMe! 9 Days "Repost edited story"

iBeNiko 10y ago

well. shit. she deleted the story.

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sweely 10y ago

RemindMe! 9 Days "Repost edited story"

PlebDestroyer 10y ago

Why are you reading this shit?

trplurker 10y ago

To all the guys going "but but friends!!!!" stop. This isn't about that. Friends is going for a coffee, catching a movie or having lunch. Friends is helping someone pack or spending platonic time with each other. You can even have a drink with your friends, at a bar, house party or other open venue. "Friends" is not at home, one on one, drunk or getting drunk while planning on spending the night. When one or both members are married, doing something like that is inviting a "mistake" to happen, and they happen quite frequently. It's about not putting oneself in a compromising situation or deliberately opening one up to the possibility of infidelity. A good wife would of gone home alone or otherwise made sure that there was no possibility of a drunken "ohh sh!t what did we do" moment happening. Women have agency, they can make decisions and are responsible for the consequences of those decisions. Women really like to remove overt responsibility by being passive while simultaneously keeping doors open and providing the opportunity for a male to approach and seduce them. These are still decisions and men need to be aware of them.

That husband should seriously consider a divorce because I guarantee 100% that she's fucked around already.

oldredder 10y ago

but the femiMatrix, it tells me the steak is juicy, and I can always trust my wife!

LULz.

swallowpls 10y ago

my mom would do the same to my wife if this happened. love you mommmmy

DreadLockedHaitian 10y ago

If I stayed with her, my mom would pull a no contact on me.

-Johnny- 10y ago

Yea staying the night while drunk is very inappropriate, but having a male friend and hangingout with him should be cool. You are a very insecure person if your wife or gf can't have friends.

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Xiamon 10y ago

Keep what you like, discard what you don't. Many posts are not of any value, and this is another one. Avoid posts where the subject seems to be "Oh look, it's something shitty some woman did somewhere!" Notice not a single poster in this thread is endorsed.

Honestly I would never be comfortable with letting my SO sleep in bed with another man, but if I had given her permission, it would be illogical for me to get mad at her and to call her a whore after I had already given her the go ahead.

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vzhu 10y ago

Why did you sleep in the same bed?

slowcoach7 10y ago

bc we camp at a place called Butterfly Valely with a lot of people on a beach and we only have 1 tent.

ucfgavin 10y ago

And what if she told you she wanted to be more than friends? Would you tell her that she's crazy and you wouldn't consider that because she's just a friend?

slowcoach7 10y ago

I wouldnt use me as an example. We live in different cou tries so i would say no. If i lived near her i would think about it but it might be too weird for me to say yes.

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ucfgavin 10y ago

that would be a bit of an exception, yeah haha

ilirm 10y ago

So you'd bang her if she lived nearby. Newsflash. You're the orbiter bud.

slowcoach7 10y ago

thats not what i meant. shes like a sister, you bang yoursister if she was hot? dont think so.

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oldredder 10y ago

NO SUCH THING..

as "like a sister"

you share DNA or you don't. If you don't the sex will commence given the chance. That's that. Fact.

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TheeRyanGrey 10y ago

There's a thread on askreddit about high dance antics.

One poster said a student fucked a chaperone. Next poster immediately says that dad got caught.

Never even assumed it would be a woman. Men are evil, boys

VanityKing 10y ago

I would actually not be that upset if my wife simply had a friend over who spent the night. It's fairly unlikely to believe that she didn't do anything sexual with him, but I don't think she would have posted and essentially ask for validation if she really did sleep with him. While inappropriate, it's not completely fair to separate best friends, but perhaps it isn't the best idea for another man to sleep over a married woman's house in the first place.

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aguy01 10y ago

Which one of you is the unattractive orbiter?

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ElKod 10y ago

Same thing here.. Everyone that sees us assumes we are dating because we're both tall and good looking, but I can get other good looking women, she can get other good looking men.. And then we talk about it? I learn how to approach women better and she learns how to spot assholes. Mutual benefits can be sexless too...

I think the ppl in this sub or this thread in particular, never had a female friend where they thought "if I wanted her, I could get her" because they are unfit but refuse to do anything about it.

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Waldo00 10y ago

You sir with a wife who has a guy spend the night? This would sit well with you? I have had these friends you speak of where sex did not cross the mind. We get dunk for a damn reason together mate, one of those times a women I wouldn't even consider gets to see my dick. One of you wants the other hangs around hoping, everything leads to sex.

ElKod 10y ago

Im sure they could have had sex anytime in the 10+ years theyve known each other. Take a look at your life. Have you fucked every woman that`s nice to you? Have you even tried? Do you think they ALL WOULD if they got the chance to?

Sorry to burst the bubble.. But no. Some women do not want sex. Some women are crazy fucking liars!! Knowing the difference IS THE RED PILL

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oldredder 10y ago

I've turned down the women but they made the advances. With boyfriend or husband.

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ElKod 10y ago

What's the male version of the self-pity hamster? I'm gonna call it... RR for Ridiculous Rationalizations. Some examples:

"All girls are the same" (even tho the same girls act different at different times in their lives)

"If I did X I could get Y girl, but I don't want to" (even tho I think about it constantly)

"It's not MY fault that I can't get laid, it's feminism!" (even tho my body fat is over 30% or 3% and I look obese or malnourished)

"All wives cheat, all marriage is stupid, all those men are betas" (even tho the 50% divorce rate doesn't count how many of those re-marry)

All rationalizations. If every single guy here was eating healthy food, working out, meditation, had a reasonable job with a reasonable income and was generally not an asshole, would get hit on. I'm not swimming in pussy, but every girl I've slept with txts me once in a while to "catch up" (I own lots of sex toys too...)

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ElKod 10y ago

Sure bud, the fat lonely gamer stereotype came from nowhere. The Forever Alone meme is made up and not making fun of those that think so. Fedoras are non-existent.

I banged more women when I was unemployed because I had the time to, but I still always took care of my body. Women like confidence that comes from somewhere.. Saying "I'm broke, I'm fat, I'm a dick. Have sex with me because I'm the shit" doesnt quite do the trick

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ElKod 10y ago

Look man, I don't know why you don't get this.. You can't just call something "being a man" and assume everyone is gonna agree with you on what it means. I have lesbo friends that are more of a man than some male-born dudes.

I think you also are mistaking confidence for cockiness.. I also have a BIG dude friend that literally talked to a hooters waitress to give him a kiss, got a married woman on the street walking along her SISTER to give him a kiss and makes friends with people on the spot. I was with him and my girl and he brought 3 women to our table! Oh, they stuck us with the bill, of course.

His confidence comes from being a nice dude. It comes from having had two girlfriends in the past for years each, it comes from the fact that he has hundreds of friends that would have his back within a minute. It comes from having given so much, he can ask any time.

I have another friend, let's call him Dick. He's a true one. Fucking short (5'2"), rich parents, gets 1000$ a month, never worked, never worked out, was a general asshole to everyone around unless he wanted something from them. One girl fucked him ONCE, he insulted her so she slapped him so hard it left nail marks across his face.

Later on, he started dating a GORGEOUS girl and nobody understood how because she was much taller, pierced, tattooed.. Until it turned out he was feeding her drug habits. And so it went. He let her live with his parents, she cheated on him, he was basically an ATM you had to have sex with once in a while.

He got so depressed about being so hated, he tried to kill himself many times overdosing and succeeded many times only to be brought back to life. NO JOKE (it's an extreme example but it's 100% true)

The big guy can lose weight and be hotter. The dick guy is and will always be a lone dick.

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[deleted] 10y ago

I disagree, he sounds like a textbook beta orbiter. On the other hand, if that's not the case, then he's been banging her for, what was it? Thirteen years?

1independentmale 10y ago

Either that or he desperately wants to. He's not in it for a platonic friendship.

EarnestMalware 10y ago

According to the OP, "best friend" was actually wife's "Man of Honor" at her wedding, so this is all a bit weirder than I think any of us actually know.

Patranus 10y ago

The real question that needs to be asked is that during their 'friendship' how many relationships has the 'best friend' been in? If it is none or next to none then it makes it all the more obvious.

jamaljabrone 10y ago

ROFL...man of honor...holy shit the state of today's American man.

Newdist2 10y ago

Is it possible the dude is gay?

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They've fucked. They've tooootally fucked.

EarnestMalware 10y ago

Perhaps. But that would only make the "Man of Honor" thing even more inexplicable than if they hadn't. It's all fucking weird.

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Do women spend that much effort keeping a massive beta around, though? They like their orbiters, but this is pretty significant. If her husband isn't giving her her alpha fucks and tons of beta, why would she go through so much effort keeping another huge beta around?

Its very possible, but I've never heard a story where a woman put that much effort into an extramarital beta relationship. They usually only do that when motivated by some alpha penis.

EarnestMalware 10y ago

But on what planet does some stud wind up in some chicks fucking bridal party?

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We don't know time ranges or his mix of alpha/beta....I totally agree, that's Friendzone City shit right there. But.....she's bringing him home drunk to play "cards"..... Weird shit, for sure.

oldredder 10y ago

Wolf in homo's clothing? Dunno ... human nature has a variety of outcomes.

1independentmale 10y ago

It takes zero effort for a woman to keep a beta around. It's just free benefits for her. These idiots fall all over themselves for the smallest scrap of attention.

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Theniallmc 10y ago

But if you guys do it you're alpha as fuck

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ejpusa 10y ago

This attachment thing is just going to do you people in. You don't "own" anyone. And they don't "own" you. That's just life.

It's basic "Sitting in the Cave and thinking about shit 101" philosophy. But go for it. You'll learn, everyone does in the end. And it all does end, does it not? Kill this desire for "attachment, I own you", it's a lost cause, but guess everyone has to go through it. Beat that, and your life will improve 10X, guaranteed. It ain't easy, I know that. But at least start the path, and then get off it as quick as you can to really find yourself. Just a tip from an "old guy" :-)

PS, it too me +50 years to figure it all out, I lucked out. So you do have time.

OM :-)

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