Woman on r/deadbedrooms is completely turned off by her beta husband, thinks he's a pervert for wanting sex. | TheRedPill

A lot of you may know this already, but a 9.0-on-the-Richter-scale shitstorm erupted last night from r/deadbedrooms. It's been all over subredditdrama, bestof, and all of our favorite havens for feminists and bluepillers. I thought it's time to give a RedPill perspective on it.

Summary: A woman posted to deadbedrooms complaining that her husband wanted sex more than once a month. Gasp! What a creepy pervert! Her mind was boggled by his greediness and she wasn't sure what to do.

Delving into this story a little bit, once can see that it is basically Red Pill in the flesh. The husband is a dyed-in-the-wool beta male according to her:

We split household and child duties

Nothing turns a woman off faster than a feminized man who tries to do his "share" of household chores to show how progressive he is.

he's happy if he thinks he's getting it that night which suggests a mental attitude adjustment

I can just imagine this poor sop needling his wife angrily about the lack of sex and whining like a little child when he doesn't get it. Dude has pedestalized his wife's vagina to epic proportions. This kind of attitude dries up a girl faster than a split egg on a hot Phoenix sidewalk.

Oh, and it gets better...

They aren't needs. They are perks of being In a relationship with a woman. but it can't be expected, you have to compromise.

Hahahaha! This is when the hamster comes out in full force. Remember guys, women are so important and special that getting sex with them is a perk of marriage, not a need! The almighty woman may choose to bestow you a 30-second starfish sex session once every month and you must accept it like a good beta provider.

Yes, feminists really do think this way.

And there you have it, folks. This is the result of a man who happily embraced his role as a "provider" without building attraction in his woman. This is the result of a society ruled by feminism. This woman lost her view of her husband as a sexual being, and saw him as a walking ATM to feed her children and put a roof over her head.

This is why the Red Pill exists. To save others from such a miserable fate. Don't be this guy.

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bitches_be_crazy86 11y ago

Hahahaha! This is when the hamster comes out in full force. Remember guys, women are so important and special that getting sex with them is a perk of marriage, not a need! The almighty woman may choose to bestow you a 30-second starfish sex session once every month and you must accept it like a good beta provider

That's precise why you shouldn't ever give women anything. They want shit like relationship, money, house, marriage etc. Things that are given and can't be easily taken away. Pretty much Briffault's law.

Get paid in advance so you can use Briffault's law and keep her on her toes

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isthatyourdaughter 11y ago

Since the previous thread was deleted, here's the epic reply from "wonderfly11":

As a woman with kids, I feel you are taking advantage of your husband and probably driving an enormous wedge between you two. Instead of gently leading you into a discussion about maintaining your identity as a mother and a wife, I'll ask you to consider the end game here.

There are women everywhere who love sex, you were one once. Your husband sounds like a great catch, since he's stayed with you while being neglected and made to feel undesirable. If sex isn't important to you, then of course you won't mind if he gets it somewhere else, right?

What will happen to your libido when he leaves you for a passionate woman? Who, by your age, will probably have kids of her own, thus proving that it's possible to love your kids and your partner. When he leaves and you find yourself single, you reckon it will be easy to find another partner you don't have to have sex with? Or will you somehow get your ass in gear, get in shape, fix your hair, and magically remember how to flirt, seduce, and give blow jobs again? My suspicions are the latter.

I run the lab for an ob/gyn. I have the bad luck of sharing an open lab with a waiting room wall and end up in awkward conversations all day long with patients and husbands. Mostly husbands, as they wander over to the cute girl to ask questions about sex during pregnancy and after. It puts me in the worst position as I'm not ethically allowed to speculate on what happens to their wives that they suddenly feel entitled to all the perks of the relationship: the security, the home, the money, and the social status of marriage while withdrawing the singular act which separates their relationship from one with a sibling.

I can't say anything to them, but I can tell you what they say to me. They proposition me. Every day, sometimes only one guy, some days it's all the husbands and fathers. And they don't think this is funny. They are miserable and angry and feeling used and I don't blame them. You can't feel it because you have no idea what it feels like to be shunned and rejected every day by the person who would hang the moon for you. What you are doing isn't just insensitive, it's hateful and it's guaranteed to make him love you less until he doesn't love you at all.

No one expects their wife to become a porn star after children. But if you can't manage to muster up some enthusiasm for intimacy that is somewhere between what you used to land him and what he's getting now, you are responsible for what happens next.

Why in the world you'd give up the love and attention of a good man is beyond me. Sex is good for you. It strengthens your bond. That bond is good for your family. And it's the difference between a bitter, angry and distant couple and that great Romance worth toasting on your 25th anniversary.

You get to decide. Do you want a full life and a stronger marriage and happier family? Or do you just want to neglect him and bleed him dry until he cheats or leaves you to be with a passionate woman who will love him and your kids?

Edit: thank you for the gold everyone. I hope this means that we intend to be honest and open about our limitations and expectations long before we sign a lease or a marriage license. I hope this means we can talk about sex more freely, normalize it. Hope this means some of us are getting laid, or getting out of a toxic home. Hope it means we'll take better care of one another, be more considerate partners. Hope this means that those people who have a Good Thing won't take it for granted.

Get some. All of you.

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scamper_22 11y ago

Some women actually get it. That little thing for duties and responsibilities.

A lot of married guys get up and go to a job they hate everyday to provide for their family.

They do it for their family. Sexuality is no different. If your spouse wants sex. You do it reasonably often.

You work for family. You take care of the kids for the family. You do household things for the family. You sexually satisfy each other for the family.

The most dangerous ideology you can get from a women is 'I don't feel like it'

bsutansalt 11y ago

Here's the original post that comment was in response to:

http://www.imgur.com/4kuWLwt.png

And her post reads a lot like something I wrote over there the other day:

While true, his wife is the one who first broke the monogamy contract by cutting off sex and intimacy. When a spouse does this, any implied monogamy that's inherent to a marriage is null and void as far as I'm concerned and the OP is well within his rights to find someone else who fulfills his needs at that point. If his wife won't do her wifely duties, then by her decree he's free to find someone else who will. That's the choice you're implicitly making whether you intended to or not when you stop holding up your end of the bargain. Look up the definition of infidelity and you'll see there's an implied contract or set of rules/relationship norms when you get married. In OP's case he's not guilty of infidelity since his wife has already broken those rules making any monogamy they once had kaput.

I want you to take the functional definition of what it means to be in a sexless relationship, which is having sex roughly once a month or less. Now consider what it means to be in a sexually monogamous relationship. The Wikipedia definition is:

Social monogamy refers to two partners living together, having sex with each other, and cooperating in acquiring basic resources such as shelter, food, and money.

Sexual monogamy refers to two partners remaining sexually exclusive with each other and having no outside sex partners.

Genetic monogamy refers to sexually monogamous relationships with genetic evidence of paternity [emphasis mine]

The key thing to take away from all of this is that to qualify as being in a monogamous relationship you must be sexually exclusive with one another. In other words, if you are in a sexless relationship then you are by definition NOT in a sexually monogamous relationship. You can't be sexually monogamous if you're not having sex in the first place!!! It is therefore by definition not cheating to have your sexual needs met by a 3rd party as the couple is no longer bound by the framework of a monogamous relationship.

Which is right in line with a thread I created actually that was shit on for some reason.

foldpak111 11y ago

This is the kind of shit that keeps my faith in women. There are still women are there that actually have a brain.

RPthrowaway123 11y ago

She is spot on. Wish there were more women like her and fewer like the OP.

hiphoprising 11y ago

I think I just got a boner for that chick

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newls 11y ago

This commenter sounds like a smart lady. She at least has the self-awareness to see the kind of love many men have for their girlfriends, and how that is so often just thrown back in their face.

She hits the nail on the head with the part about expecting things vs. perks. The OP expected all the commitment-side goods from him, e.g. his money, letting her live in his house, status among her girlfriends. Yet she sees the sex-side goods as just perk rewards that are extras, and him as an arsehole for expecting them.

This is a power play, and the dude didn't have the know-how to see it and deflect it. He made the fatal mistake of treating her as if she were a logical and fair-minded adult. OP knows she can just keep on extracting maximal resources from men, and she sees this man expecting some kind of reciprocity as an inconvenient roadblock.

Sadly the dude did marry her, so Briffault's Law tells us that he has no more to offer her - he has literally handed over all of his power and negotiating cards to her. Does it really even matter to her? She probably knows that she can divorce him and claim that he was being abusive and completely exaggerate his requests for sex as being aggressive.

Situations like that make me feel lucky for stumbling across TRP as a young single man.

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copralalic 11y ago

In a different post the same user talks about how she is "kinda pretty" at her work but under her clothes kids ruined her body and she's covered in scars. She says the compliment she is most grateful for than any other is her husband's hard dick at the end of the day.

She was probably HB8 or better and after her looks were taken she had to take a hard look at herself, eventually coming to the correct conclusions. Good for her.

rpscrote 11y ago

an incredibly rare and refreshing woman who has actually reached some level of self-awareness.

mykonos_rm 11y ago

She can quote marriage-rape or whatever they call, citing her husband emotionally abused her until she was forced to have sex with him againts her well, without needing provide any evidence of the fact. This guy is FUCKED. Don't get married kids.

makethemsayayy 11y ago

and as a woman: anything she says is true unless proved extensively otherwise with tangible evidence. oh and it can't just be a recording, document it happening 30 times and have a witness with a Medal of Honor and you might have a chance of not getting divorce raped!

veggie_girl 11y ago

as if she were a logical and fair-minded adult

This is how you would deal with a man. It would make sense, but it is the inexperienced man that deals with women the same way he deals with men.

Women don't want to be treated as equals. Women say they do, but they don't. It's a big test, and just like children whine when they don't get what they impulsively think they want at the time -you'll hear the same whining and bitching and have to react to it accordingly, with stoicism. Women want a leader. It doesn't matter how you treat a woman, if you aren't leading it's going to make her lose respect for you and resent you every time she has to step up and lead because you aren't doing it.

Traz_Onmale 11y ago

Except OP's husband did the whining here.

itsDAP 11y ago

What an absolutely wonderful woman

68461674897051454980 11y ago

I disagree with what she said

As a woman with kids, I feel you are taking advantage of your husband and probably driving an enormous wedge between you two. Instead of gently leading you into a discussion about maintaining your identity as a mother and a wife, I'll ask you to consider the end game here.

There are women everywhere who love sex, you were one once. Your husband sounds like a great catch, since he's stayed with you while being neglected and made to feel undesirable.

The OP of that thread is not lying. She's not being vindictive. She honestly just hates sex. But she isn't being honest with herself, she hates sex, but she hates it WITH HIM. Plenty of women say they don't like sex anymore, but then they take a trip to miami and ride a dick and all of a sudden they realize they like it, just not with their beta husband.

She's not taking advantage, she's just doing what she was taught to do by the husband, through reinforcement. It's not something that can just be 'discussed' either. Imagine you marry a 9, and things are great. You're fucking her a few times a week and it's great. Now all of a sudden she turns obese. Your dick doesn't even get hard with her, and you plow her once a month just to shut her up, but you're thinking how nasty it is with your hands sinking in to all the fat, and how she's grunting like a fat pig, you just want it to be over.

That's what it would be like for us. That's what it's like for a woman married to a beta. Imagine this little faggot running around and trying to vacuum the house eagerly looking at you like a dumb kid, "DO I GET SEX NOW MOMMY?? HUH?". You're looking at this loser and you're just like... 'no i'm tired, good night'.

to their wives that they suddenly feel entitled to all the perks of the relationship: the security, the home, the money, and the social status of marriage while withdrawing the singular act which separates their relationship from one with a sibling.

this can be true. but only because the woman knows that the guy is so beta that he will accept it, or she will try it and quickly realize it's the wrong path because she withheld sex and now she's sad. She wants to be happy again like before, so she puts the dick back in her mouth and things go back to happy. You think any mother wants to go from a nice secure position to a single mother who now has to find someone else to help raise the kid? All over something as simple as sex?

These guys do it to themselves, and I can't really feel bad for them. Be the leader in a relationship, make it clear through your actions and how you reward/punish behaviors what is allowed, what is encouraged, and what is discouraged.

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iSnORtcHuNkz69 11y ago

How the fuck did this get deleted. Is all the truth trying to get buried in this god forsaken society

[deleted] 11y ago

Threads in the mainstream subs that show women in a bad light are deleted, even in places like TIFU. And then a thread gets started that either shows men in a bad light or defends women. Right after the Dead Bedrooms thread was deleted it was replaced by one titled 'In light of our recent fame, I just want to remind our posters that many women suffer dead bedrooms at the hands of awful, unsympathetic, callous partners.' The comments are what you'd expect. Although around 80% of dead bedrooms are due to the choice, or lack of attraction, from the female partner, you can't actually say things like that. The previous thread had raw posts by men that showed the reality of their situations. The current thread is a politically-correct propaganda piece.

Schrodingersdawg 11y ago

It's not deleted anymore, I just found it with a simple search.

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disposable_pants 11y ago

OP probably saw everything she said getting downvoted to hell, and rather than listening to hundreds of people call her a terrible person she just deleted the thread. There's no truth being buried; it's just someone who got an overwhelmingly negative response reacting like anyone who got that response would.

iSnORtcHuNkz69 11y ago

Yeah i forgot. You do get shunned upon for revealing the Way IT Actually is.

CrimsonDeep 11y ago

Feminists know no bounds on Reddit

NevrEndr 11y ago

the interim CEO (?) of Reddit is a feminist. Just lost a discrimination case....

gekkozorz 11y ago

And also is a massive cunt.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/30/thankyouellenpao-only-if-you-like-bullying-vexatious-opportunists/

CrimsonDeep 11y ago

I wouldn't even hate fuck that chick if my life depended on it !!!

she looks too much like a man

RadioactiveTentacles 11y ago

Feminists know no bounds anywhere

isthatyourdaughter 11y ago

They know bounds when they're being set by a tall mysterious billionare with a dungeon in his condo.

IllimitableMan 11y ago

In China, they arrested 5 feminist activists the other month (still being detained) for distributing sexual harassment flyers, so there's that.

xwm 11y ago

What a sad day when we have to look at China as the beacon of morality.

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TheRealMouseRat 11y ago

what? the bestof was deleted?

isthatyourdaughter 11y ago

No, the post we had here on /r/TheRedPill, by /u/djrawbeats, was deleted. It included the original DB post as well as the reply by the smart doctor lady.

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redpillstate 11y ago

Wow, I think this is a perfect example of the wife treating her BB husband as an "adult child." She literally treats him the same as her son, except BB has to foot the bill for her. How she describes their day to day life is so cringey...listing all their boring activities that sounds like a mom's day out with her two kids. And since she already secured the bux, she doesn't have to put any effort into being intimate so she's free to live in this fantasy! This also explains why she thinks its so creepy that BB would want sex. She views him like a child. I feel so bad for this guy.

DanG3 11y ago

"Normal" BP women will unconsciously try to put their men into this role as provider-child AND BP men will unknowingly allow themselves to be put into that role. TRP Men will have the awareness and wherewithal to not allow themselves to be put in that role.

I recently had a feminist BP woman tell me/admit to me that, while her husband is physically attractive, AMOG and of high stature within the community, the reason their marriage is failing is because he could never step up to gain the level of respect that she had for her father. Knowing what I know about how he DOES interact with her - neediness, failing shit tests, failure to mate guard and sanction her bad behavior, etc - he did this to himself, albeit unknowingly.

NeopolitanAfterglow 11y ago

Yeah but mate guarding is discouraged among TRP.

DanG3 11y ago

There is no "black and white" on this, and it does depend on circumstances - including LTR or not. There is a distinct difference, and difference in effect, between mate guarding and displaying jealously. IF the woman respects the Man and wants to maintain her relationship she will be attracted to her Man when he mate guards. She will also be turned off when/if he should mate guard but does not. If she does not respect her man she will regard his mate guarding as jelosy, which is a "tell" as to how the man stands her mind AND intensions. Jelousy is an attempt to control the woman from a position of weakness, no respect and perceived desperation, which includes her thinking that you have no other options.

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If the woman is not a troll - which she very might well be, it's all too textbook and not dressed up with the usual chick language - then she's right in a way.

The husband is beyond pathetic and it is gross the way he is begging; it IS perverted in the sense of being so against the way nature meant it to be. That is what the men of DB are most likely going to miss - they will downvote her because she's using him as an ATM and chorebot, but they will 100% miss the fact that he brought this on himself. His behavior WAS perverted and he does need a serious mental adjustment.

Men who beg don't deserve any sex; this guy at least as he stands now shouldn't be getting pussy. Feminine men have no business raising kids and leading a family, which by women's biological programming means "don't fuck him - fucking him is the absolute biggest mistake you could make."

Sure, she's probably a shitty person, but I don't blame her. What you guys need to understand is that for women, getting porked by betaboy is as repulsive as you porking an obese, hairy whale. It feels wrong on every level, and she simply cannot negotiate with her attraction. You can say she "should" throw him a bone on a weekly basis, but that is beta logic - it's logic rooted in the belief that things must be fair and people should be logical and make sacrifices. If the guy is as feminized and beta as I'm interpretting from the post, then he simply is unfuckable.

As funny as it is to read betas and women tearing into a hamster, let's be real - he is the problem. If you are in a situation like that, you are always the problem. I don't care who she is or what she's like or how crazy she is or how manipulative - if you find yourself begging for sex once a month from a woman whose bills you pay and kids you care for... it is 100% - not 99, but 100% - your fault.

MagneticJohnson 11y ago

sex without attraction is unnatural. watch a porn scene were the chick is not into it at all. it's the ultimate cringe.

blaming her is like saying nature is bad.

flowild 11y ago

Men who beg don't deserve any sex; this guy at least as he stands now shouldn't be getting pussy. Feminine men have no business raising kids and leading a family, which by women's biological programming means "don't fuck him - fucking him is the absolute biggest mistake you could make."

so basically, he has to leave her? since he can't ask her for sex and is not allowed to cheat on her? so we aren't talking to women anymore on /r/theredpill ?

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No need to be intentionally obtuse. Not begging for sex =/= "TRP is against talking to women".

When you create a deadbedroom for yourself through this type of behavior, you have 2 options when you are married. You either can achieve a massive SMV boost while running dread game, and make yourself desirable. This is often referred to as the nuclear option - withdraw emotional support and whatever extra provider behaviors he was giving, explore avenues with other chicks so that the wife understands he is a man with options, hit the gym hard, and put his hobbies / pursuits on the pedestal instead of her pussy.

There is actually a DB post just like this one where the woman started out in this same scenario, described her husband doing the above, and then boom, their sex life dramatically improved. This isn't some RP exclusive thing; if a woman does not believe you are desired by other women, she cannot feel properly aroused by you.

Option two is your route - he talks to her and asks for sex, they see a therapist, and he listens to chick advice about how communication and intimacy is the key. Negotiations and over-analyzing does not wet panties; attraction does not work that way. He cannot convince her to want to fuck him - it is not that talking to her and sharing his feelings is "not allowed on Red Pill", it's that we can see from the story that he has been doing exactly that, and it's left him in the most pitiful situation a man can be in.

Also, look at her wording, look at her contempt and disgust. How is this guy with a weak frame going to "talk to her" and improve the situation - look at what is happening when other men and women who have a ton of experience in her shoes are "talking to her"? She is just sarcastic, bitchy, and completely unwilling to consider that she is wrong. You don't talk your way through someone like that and get to sex by the end. Demonstrating higher value through direct, unapologetic actions is the only hope this guy has.

MagneticJohnson 11y ago

he should break up with her, or have some integrity and implement dread. or cheat. but begging doesn't work

Maaahoney 11y ago

I was with a plate at a kava bar we were surrounded by women in their late 30's. She was just excited to be out with me and she assumed she'd be getting fucked later so she was talking a little loud. I hate when chicks do that, they crave that attention so bad. Anyways she starts yelling about how her friends that are married don't want sex. She said "I can't believe it, every woman wan'ts sex." and I just replied, "that's the guys fault. They want to get fucked but not by him." It was a moment of clairity for her and the two other women by me. We all had a moment of complete agreement with that one.

lasertits69 11y ago

Was the kava bar called Root of Happiness?

Maaahoney 11y ago

Root of

No. Why did you witness a similar conversaiton? Kava bars are some strange place man. Well, I guess alcohol bars are pretty fucking strange too. BUt kava bars get suprisingly full during late nights. I say they are weird because I see people get dressed up and hang out sober. I guess I just drank so much it's strange to think everyone at a bar is sober. Plus, I had a few beers in me before I went that night (not recommended). The thing is, kava bars are full of people in recovery for drugs and alcohol. Hormones are usually flying too, people get horny on kava.
Everybody should check out a kava bar late night.

lasertits69 11y ago

I've been going to a kava bar myself called root of happiness. I know there's the two Roots and then one in Texas and another one somewhere so I figured there was a good chance you were in my bar!

I agree about the strange place that is a kava bar. Mine has a unrelenting chill vibe but some of the other customers can be a bit...different.

[deleted] 11y ago

There is a follow-up thread from the original poster of the first thread. It's short, so I'll paste it in here:

Thanks to the one guy that gilded me.

To all those that said I'm a terrible wife: check the stats. Once a month isn't that bad when you are married with a child. It may be on the lower end of the scale but it isn't sexless.

As an LL here are my gripes with my husband:

Once he gets sex, he is far more complimentary, cuddly, loving, and kind. This is NOT how marriage is supposed to work. He should be like this whether we have sex or not. I am not just a vagina.

When he is giving me back rubs, I often get stabbed with an erect penis. I just want to enjoy the back rub.

Commenting on how long it's been since we've had sex. I know how long it's been but that's life. going on and on about it doesn't help. It makes me less likely to want it.

I cook for him every night, pack his lunches, arrange our social lives, support him whenever he needs it.... I can't believe that just because he doesn't get to have sex with me 5 times a week anymore that makes me a terrible wife.

Her lack of arousal and distaste for him just screams from the page. Clearly the guy is blue as auto-asphyxiation gone bad. The last sentence is the crux. She sees her role as supportive: she feels like his mother. And that's not sexy for women! (Except in some southern states). This is what happens when you don't take charge of your life.

NeopolitanAfterglow 11y ago

Now I'm pretty much convinced it's a troll. Not just the sheer amount of cognitive dissonance that she plowed through with her 800hp hamster plow to form a reply. Not just her masculine writing style. But for her first sentence.

Thanks to the one guy that gilded me.

Only a redditor with a level 9 neckbeard would write such a thing.

hugeveinycock 11y ago

I'd be cheating on this woman so hard and often.

Throway99038 11y ago

Reading her submission, i don't think anyone would blame the husband either if he follows suit.

balalasaurus 11y ago

Women like this aren't wives - they're roommates.

fucktales 11y ago

Roommates who use you like an atm and can take half your stuff when they evict you.

bama79rolltide 11y ago

A lot of women think this way: http://www.cafemom.com/encyclopedia/3995/Why_am_I_never_in_the_mood_for_sex

DanG3 11y ago

It's amazing, however, how their "thinking" changes when their husband's get off the couch, start hitting the gym, stop eating shit, changing their wardrobe, stop whining about (no) sex, being confident and assertive, knowing/passing shit tests, etc. Their thinking changes ENTIRELY when they start thinking that their husbands ARE desirable and DESIRED by other women. Their hamsters start running the wheel when the husband is hitting the gym (at "odd" hours) with a IDGAF attitude when he used to be sniveling around the house and sniffing around her 200 pound ass. (Oh shit, she just might have to get off the couch herself!)

Don't listen to what woman say. Pay attention to what they do.

PandaMoneyLove 11y ago

That's ridiculous, but if a man is that pathetic to stay with her then who cares. It is a women's duty to please her man.

SpeedMetalPunker 11y ago

Jesus. And people get married nowadays why? It just seems to get worse and worse. My dad's friend's wife hangs pussy over his head just like this woman is doing to her husband.

NeoreactionSafe 11y ago

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies.

This is the HEIRARCHY.

It is not some abstract ideal, but how nature demands that we live.

Feminism seeks to deny nature. They invent concepts like "Equality" that seek to deny the natural heirarchy.

Dead Bedrooms are simply natures way of saying ideology cannot erase truth.

Dead Bedrooms PROVE the heirarchy exists. There is no escape.

A woman who does not look "up" and seek to Charm a man will never Tingle for him.

The Feminists are baffled that despite all their efforts "nature always wins".

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copralalic 11y ago

Fuck bitches and brats... I'm jumping straight to dogs.

Redpool 11y ago

Pretty sure that's illegal in most states

Fallout99 11y ago

Patrice has some good clips discussing platonic vs sexual tradeoffs. If you're not having sex but still doing everything else a relationship requires it's not a true relationship. You're just her time hoe. This is why this sub recommends dread game. To let them know that there are certain expectations and that your time has a price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9QOQNcpuiA

Shotgun_Sentinel 11y ago

Jesus Christ the self-centered entitlement is oozing out of her post.

iluminatiNYC 11y ago

And that is why I'm a divorced man that has to schedule sex around his primary custody duties. Heck, if I wasn't on the dad shit, I'd have sex more often, but there's something satisfying about not subjecting the next generation of dudes with another idiot woman. :)

Still, that the starfish is what's popping in these streets makes me want to stay single forever. LOL That's that bullshit they're pulling in these streets. There's more to marriage, but sex is a non-negotiable.

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SilentForTooLong 11y ago

idk, I feel embarrassed when women assume I can't dress myself. Makes me feel like a child.

I guess do what you want though. I prefer to feel like an adult and dress myself.

coffee_and_lumber 11y ago

Can attest to this. I spent the entire weekend in the backyard building and filling some raised beds for the garden as well as organizing the wood shop to accommodate some yard tools. The wife puttered around out there a bit as well, but was mainly busy doing several loads of laundry and cleaning the kitchen.

Later on, I jumped in the shower just as she was getting out. It's a large shower with a bench and I sat down under the hot water, fairly exhausted. Wife returns a minute later to kneel in front of me and give a very decent blowjob (swallowed for the first time ever as well) as well as scrub me down and rub my sore shoulders. Then she cooked dinner for the both of us. I do not believe I would have seen this from her if I had spent the day doing the taxes, dusting and cleaning bathrooms. Certainly all things I do as needed, but I like to put much more emphasis on heavier, dirtier work.

She's voiced complaint here and there in the past that I don't do as much house cleaning as she does, but I consistently see far more satisfaction and outright happiness from her when I do stereotypical man things. And this is a woman who will readily tell you she's a feminist.

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rpscrote 11y ago

Disagree on cooking. Notice that the realm of the "chef" is still masculine and competitive -- master chefs are more likely men than women. Treat it as a skill and an art to master, and not as a chore, and you will get alpha points instead of beta points. It's all in the way you approach the activity. Very few things are purely alpha or beta. Sex, what we might think should be a purely alpha activity, can be made beta by the appropriately sackless man.

coffee_and_lumber 11y ago

Big time. I grew up in a family with a big tradition of cooking, but a few years ago when the economy tanked and I lost my job, subsisting for two years purely on freelance work, I made a vow that not only would I maintain my lifestyle, but I'd eat tremendously well, even on a lower budget. I put in extreme, obsessive effort learning how to cook at a high level. It's incredible how much I got laid during that time, even though my income and status were at lower levels.

Being excellent and passionate about anything can work wonders, especially in a creative medium.

_valtiel_ 11y ago

I'm a clean freak, so I wonder if it's actually beta to not be a slob.

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TestosteroneFilled 11y ago

In case any1 doesn't believe this guy.

68461674897051454980 11y ago

to add

Divorce rate higher for couples that share housework, study finds

They found that divorce rates were actually higher for the approximately 25 percent of couples who shared housework equally than for the 71 percent couples where women did more or all of the housework.

Divorce rates also were significantly higher among the 4 percent of households in which the men did the majority of the housework, although the sample size was quite small for that group.

women can't respect beta. it's really as simple as that.

coffee_and_lumber 11y ago

My wife does most of the housework and does a small share of the yard work (our house is the first one she's ever lived in and she actually enjoys mowing the grass, patching cracks in a stone wall, and other such things.)

All that said, if I simply handle a couple of the heavier, dirtier outside jobs, she seems to feel very grateful and satisfied with that. It's a weird dynamic. I'd wager that a couple hours of me chopping wood, cleaning the gutters and building something for the yard (very simple tasks for me) would go further in her eyes than if I spent all day cleaning the house or running errands. Can't beat a million years of evolution with a few decades of social conditioning.

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Massiveshitlord 11y ago

I'm a bit curious to hear more from you about this, since a lot of people agree with you, and I do partially.

What about people who are just tidy people? If I'm at home not up to much I'm just going to do the dishes or general cleaning if things have gotten cluttered. I don't do it because it's expected of me or because I want things to be 50/50, I just do it because I'm a happier person in a clean house.

I also work a regular work schedule(in terms of days, not hours) where it's the same every week, my girlfriend on the other hand will work 11-8am, then out of respect for me not make a bunch of noise in the kitchen(bedroom is right beside it.) So at times I absolutely do more of the dishes, but that's just how it works best, it's also had zero affect on our sex life.

I personally think the bigger problem is men who will do the dishes, or tidy up their place and then when their girlfriend gets home they make it out to be a big deal and expect to get their dick sucked over it. You don't say a word because all you did was clean, you did nothing impressive and it's certainly not a turn on to women that you can sweep a floor.

Jamtastic1 11y ago

I think it's less about who does what and WHY each partner does what they do. You clean because you feel like it? Great. You clean because it's your job? Not so much.

In my case, I cleaned because she absolutely will not do it. We agreed to a fair split, and honestly I don't have a problem with that. But over time, it got to the point where I did 90% of the chores and we rarely had sex. If we had stuck with the 50/50 split and had sex regularly, there wouldn't have been any problems. Unfortunately, women aren't like that. By being beta, I killed my marriage.

Oh well... I now know I can do better, I can find somebody prettier, thinner, more pleasant, etc. Maybe once I figure things out, I'll even try a LTR again.

Commenttuvas 11y ago

What's important is to do what you want.

You want a clean house ? Just clean it or ask your wife to clean it... What's the big deal ? Who cares who cleans the house, when, how... As long as you respect yourself ?

I work at home, part time.I like when its clean, I love to cook, and I ve got time... Some might think it's not manly enough. But I live how I want and because of that, my wife loves me to death.

To me, The biggest rule in TRP is: do whatever the fuck you want. Dont ask if what you want or do is "right".

childrenofmabden 11y ago

You got it.

It is when men put covert contracts in place thinking that if they do this/that/the other thing, their wife/gf will automatically spread for them.

Of course, it doesn't help when their wife/gf tells them that if only they would do this/that/the other things they would be more romantically inclined.

Lessen here is as you say; if it needs doing, do it. If you like doing it, do it.

Massiveshitlord 11y ago

To me, The biggest rule in TRP is: do whatever the fuck you want. Dont ask if what you want or do is "right".

For sure. I definitely wasn't trying to have someone validate how I feel, but was just curious and offering a different look at chores around the house.

I feel like some people think that men doing anything like dishes or household cleaning is beta behaviour, but sometimes shit just needs to get done.

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Echelon64 11y ago

Ah, the classic Chad Thundercock hypothesis. I like it.

Bonus:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165905221

ChadThundercockII 11y ago

My mind is blown. Aesthetics is everything indeed.

Traz_Onmale 11y ago

Looks like pussy isn't the only thing on a pedestal. Chad can say what he likes.

Mr_Andry 11y ago

Aw fuck... that is so not cool.

IllimitableMan 11y ago

Get ready for more rage:

http://tinderrage.blogspot.ca/

BlackHeart89 11y ago

I'm going to give this shit a try after I change my pics. They look too mature. They need to look more fun.

"Give me your number or I'll rape you with the force of 1,000 virgins"

Classic...

newls 11y ago

So often for beta provider males, when their girlfriends tell them they want to break up, it often comes 'out of nowhere' and hits them by surprise.

They are so indoctrinated by well-intentioned but disastrous advice, and popular media and sitcoms (think Ted in HIMYM and Ross in Friends, the two Holy Prophets of beta provider males) that they think women truly like all of these nice gestures.

And if their 'alpha bar' is empty, e.g. not recognising shit tests, having no friends outside the relationship, or if their 'beta provider bar' goes down slightly, e.g. losing their job, the girl will inevitably feel disgusted by the man and gradually fall out of love with him.

Cue:

"You're not the guy I fell in love with."

"I need to be by myself for a while and figure out who I am."

"...but I still want to be friends." [Translation: I would still like to carry on extracting commitment and resources from you while ambiguously leaving the door open an inch for future sexy times when I'm done shagging alpha dicks.]

Yadda yadda. They feel terrible because they know they should be attracted to them, but beta provider don't give them no tingles nigga.

theshwedda 11y ago

Oh god.... Finalizing my divorce right now, and it is all of this. Been reading up on redpill theory for more than 8months now, and still didn't see it. At least now I have the opportunity to correct everything.

Merwebb 11y ago

Degree? Check. Well spoken? Check. Clean and well kept? Check. Well proportioned dick? Check. Handsome? Check. Considered about girl feelings(the ones they claim) ? Check Prince charming attitude towards hooking up? Check.

Why the world just dont behave as everyone says it should? I mean, thats what everyone says everywhere! This is not fair!!

Alpha bar is empty son, Totally empty.

TheRedPilsner 11y ago

I'd say that Marshall is HIMYM's beta provider example. He took Lily back after she dumped him a few months before their wedding so she could go to art school in San Francisco, and then he took a corporate job that he hated so he could help pay off Lily's massive credit card debt. He puts up with more shit from his wife than any man should be expected to.

childrenofmabden 11y ago

He puts up with more shit from his wife than any man should be expected to.

Yet, Marshall fucks Lily at will and Lily initiates at least 50%.

xwm 11y ago

Because it's a tv show and that is how the writers feel relationships are "supposed" to be

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newls 11y ago

Those are good points but to be honest the whole show is one big gynocentric, female-pedestalising, beta-provider mess:

Ted fantasises about destiny bringing him and 'The One' together
As you mentioned, the whole Marshall and Lily relationship
Lily's arrogance and 'Aldrin Justice' where she steals things from people who are rude to her, with no compunction or legal repercussions
Lily meddling in other people's relationships, breaking them up if she doesn't think they look good together
In season 9 Marshall says that the bride's wishes ultimately override anybody else's at the wedding, including the groom and his family
Multiple times they show small women being able to physically take out men twice their size with a punch or a knee to the groin
Portraying Barney as ultimately hollow, empty, and broken

There are probably countless other examples from the series.

Edit: Additionally, Ted is a successful architect with his own skyscraper in New York City, but his ultimate happiness is tied to finding and marrying 'The One', much as women with careers ultimately feel empty and unfulfilled until they find a husband and have children.

After the age of 30 he also scrambles around finding someone to settle down with, feeling like his time is running out, much as post-wall women do.

That is not how men think at all, but it allows the mostly female audience to identify with him.

firstpitchthrow 11y ago

Want to hear some irony? You know why I loved HIMYM? Its because of its sheer adherence to blue-pill and its gynocentrism. I had a bad case of oneinitess for a long, long time. It was a horrible thing to go through, but Ted Mosby was the guy who got me to swallow the pill and break free of the oneinitess' grip. By watching Ted, I saw my own life reflected in the mirror of Ted's life, and I saw how absolutely idiotic the entire thing was. When I watched Ted, I had an awakening, that was how I was living my life, and I realized it sucked.

See, the problem is, when its you, its hard to know what the problems are, because cognitive dissonance has already rationalized all your decisions in life. However, when you watch Ted go through it, you slam your head against your hand and you think "Ted, you idiot, this won't work", and then, you realize you did the exact same thing. Seeing it in Ted allows you to see it in yourself.

coffee_and_lumber 11y ago

Multiple times they show small women being able to physically take out men twice their size with a punch or a knee to the groin

This is pervasive across all TV and movies. It's ludicrous. And it's always some 5' 3" 110 lb chick who brings down a big, tough as nails looking musclebound guy. ("You go girl!") This is practically impossible unless she gets in an exceedingly lucky shot.

I brought it up in a discussion about The Walking Dead a while back and the responses were all women with their hamster wheel running at full tilt trying to bring up anecdotes about some girl they know who took a swing at a big 6' 5" guy. Yeah, I bet she managed to land a surprise punch, and THEN what happened? Yep, no answer.

TheRedPilsner 11y ago

HIMYM appears very blue pill on the surface, but it can be surprisingly red pill at times. Examples:

Ted fucks multiple women throughout the course of the show. But the one he decides to marry is a virginal woman who didn't ride the cock carousel because she spent years mourning her dead boyfriend.
In one of the episodes, Barney seduces a woman, steals her truck, and she isn't even mad at him because his alpha-ness gives her tingles. She then invites him to have dinner with her and her super-beta fiancee, and we find out that Barney's tryst with the woman happened while she was dating her beta fiancee. Very red pill.
Initially Robin isn't interested in a relationship with Ted, she just wants him as an occasional fuck buddy. But when Ted starts dating Victoria, it causes Robin to start wanting him. Women want what other women want. Another red pill truth.
Later in the show, Ted starts dating Stella, a single mom. Stella makes Ted wait for months before she has sex with him and Ted accepts it. Later on Ted even invites Stella's ex to their wedding. And what happens? Stella leaves him at the alter for her alpha ex. Ted fucked up his relationship with Stella by acting too beta.
When Barney and Robin start dating for the first time, Barney abandons his alpha "player" personality and goes into beta boyfriend mode. And what happens? Robin becomes disgusted with him and they ultimately break up with each other. Very red pill.

firstpitchthrow 11y ago

IMHO, Boats, boats > Jeanette > Stella. I would prefer to be in a relationship with batshit crazy than with Stella. At least with Bat-shit crazy, you can see it quickly enough and get out. Stella is the kind of girls who will slowly and painfully drain the life out of you over many years, unless you're pure-alpha like the character Jason Jones played. With Stella, you'll wake up one day, after being married to her for ten years and you'll realize you're utterly miserable, but it will be too late.

Stella has never seen Star Wars, which was clue #1. The only kind of man who could tame Stella is the kind of man who could get Chris Kattan to play "Jed Mosley" in the wedding bride. Stella insisted Ted move to NJ, but when she got back together with Tony (I believe his name was) Stella packed her bags and followed him to California. If your Alpha, they'll follow you, and if your Ted, you follow them.

newls 11y ago

Those are also some good points. There are definitely a lot of moments that make sense from an RP perspective. I was just pointing out that a big portion of the show is based on female-pedestalising themes.

For example, while Barney does do those Red Pill things, the rest of the gang regularly chastise and patronise him, and the writers ultimately portray him as feeling very hollow and empty inside, much as a woman would feel from doing those things. It's solipsism writ into a sitcom.

TheRedPilsner 11y ago

I disagree. Sure, the female characters often call Barney disgusting because of his PUA antics, but for the most part he seems pretty satisfied with himself. Just because the other characters call him disgusting doesn't mean that he actually is. He ends up getting married to Robin in the end, but then he realizes that he just isn't cut out for married life and they get divorced. He goes right back to being a PUA, accidentally knocks up one of his plates, and finds joy and fulfillment from being a father. Conventional blue pill wisdom is that a LTR is required if you want to be happy, but during the show we see Barney being happy as a single bachelor, and then being happy as a single father.

Oh, another red pill moment from the show is Barney's "origin story". When Barney was young, he was a super-beta hippie with a serious case of oneitis for his girlfriend. Then his girlfriend left him for an alpha male businessman. Barney immediately had a red pill awakening and transformed from a nutless hippie to a well-dressed player. It's probably the single most red pill moment in the show.

Bisuboy 11y ago

Barney immediately had a red pill awakening and transformed from a nutless hippie to a well-dressed player. It's probably the single most red pill moment in the show.

Plus when his transformation is finished he is driven up by a chair directly into the camera, just like Darth Vader after the operation where he got his dark armor.

That scene is awesome.

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yeah but, Marshall and Lily were the control group in the HIMYM experiment.

If Lily existed, I would take her back too. I sure as hell wouldn't pee in front of her, but if she existed, I would take her back.

firstpitchthrow 11y ago

I wouldn't take her back, not after what she pulled and who she is. The girl Marshall should have gone for was the coffee barista who wrote "Swarley" on Barney's coffee cup (forget her name). It was the one RP moment in HIMYM: kids, dread game works, just look at what happened to Lily when, for the first time in 10 years, she had to compete with another woman for Marshall.

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lol I guess you're right.

If I were Marshall, I would be Barney for a bit, maybe 3 years. and then go back to Lily. But nothing would be the same. I wouldn't trust her.

Mr_Andry 11y ago

http://how-i-met-your-mother.wikia.com/wiki/Chloe

Morena Baccarin. Yum.

firstpitchthrow 11y ago

Is it possible for that woman to do anything that sucks? She's been in everything and been awesome every single time.

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NotQuiteRedPill 11y ago

That was a fun thread. I can't help but wonder if that was a troll. Either that, or it was the epitome of a BB situation.

And, as /u/Amish_cableguy pointed out, sex is the active ingredient in a relationship (just like, well, a pill). There's the active ingredient, what makes the pill work, and the filler ingredients (everything else).

A relationship without sex is a friendship. Or roommate situation. Or owner/lamp situation, which is where these beta guys get relegated to.

Anyway, I'm preaching to the choir, many who are far redder than I. Just wanted to add my 2¢.

BaiduAmbassador 11y ago

This is what feminism breeds. Useless, cunty women who don't understand what being a wife means.

bigmfkr 11y ago

It's a very good troll. Kind of obvious.

DanG3 11y ago

It's no troll. This is a quintessential example of a woman whose instinctual biological need to maintain the security and provisions of her relationship have been short circuited by the betaization of men and current divorce laws, aka "divorce rape."

makethemsayayy 11y ago

not too obvious, if someone gave it gold.

copralalic 11y ago

You'd think so, but I don't. I sense an earnestness in her replies, places where she could have gone more extreme for more of a reaction but didn't. The hamster is strong with this one, but not unrealistically so.

I have a different perspective, though, b/c I had a dead bedroom with my ex- and she could hardly give a shit less when I told her how much it was hurting me and threatening our relationship.

They really don't see betas as fully human. It beggars the imagination, but it is true.

Overkillengine 11y ago

They really don't see betas as fully human. It beggars the imagination, but it is true.

It's a logical extension of the Apex fallacy- you either are a "real man" in her eyes, or a wallet/creep/etc object.

teeay 11y ago

Yeah I'm pretty sure it was a blatant troll, too, but you never know, there are some fucked up people in the world...

Rus_s13 11y ago

How the fuck you even become married to a crazy bitch like that in the first place is beyond me

DanG3 11y ago

They change AND they try to change you.

redpillersinparis 11y ago

It's a troll... look at the name "ConfuzzledWife" and the stupid replies.

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bat_mayn 11y ago

She probably turned into a self-loathing, obese, asexual beast halfway into the marriage.

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exit_sandman 11y ago

Well, to me that thread looks as if it was specifically made to rile up people at /r/deadbedrooms.

I mean, how do you think are people who are desperate and miserable going to react when they read drivel like this? There are people who get a kick out of driving others up the wall (no pun intended), and I have the hunch that the woman (?) in that OP is one of them.

itsDAP 11y ago

Feminists refuse to admit women behave badly and will delete hard proof

Haufniensis 11y ago

No, the thread here on RP was deleted, too.

garlicextract 11y ago

It's still up, place the title into the search bar and it's here.

itsDAP 11y ago

Was it a confirmed troll then?

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cuz if there is anything a woman cares about its her ego.

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HakaseJ 11y ago

Women like this make me understand why there are fatherless households. Sex for a man isn't a perk. It is the only thing that determines the difference between a friend or a wife. If you aren't his wife, then you need to get the fuck out.

ModernDayPricus 11y ago

"They aren't needs. They are perks of being In a relationship with a woman. but it can't be expected, you have to compromise."

You know what......

I can easily start talking about how crazy and frustrated reading that just made me feel but, I wont. There is no need to go in detail about how heated am I. I just now see this as things that "just are". The information for that man is out there to help him. He just needs to look harder and find it pass the blue pill BS.

What I see here is simply a man that is lost and confused by his woman, and women in general if you read in between the lines. The fact that he has allowed her to be THAT BRAVE is mind boggling, yet not so surprising at the same time. He feels that SHE should guide the relationship and that SHE knows what is best. This man must have been raised like this his whole life and, i can't blame him.

For the sake of society, the confusion that men deal with is a result of a woman not meant to be tamed in this modern day. Females have become unloose from the standards once held and are simply doing as they please. This confuses men because they try to apply Blue pill logic to something that is rooted in nature. You CAN stop a fire but, you CAN NOT stop a fire from happening again. Fire is fire.

This leads men into submitting and just hoping she doesn't have a bad day. Hoping she is in a good mood for sex. Hoping she doesn't have a bitch fit. Hoping that things will be fine. The man in this story dealing with this chick is confused as to how to REALLY deal with his woman and just decides to HOPE for the best. Action and knowledge don't exist with this man. He is praying towards a GOD that is not there.

His hope has become his master. He is a slave to something that is nit there. He can change but instead prays for the change to come on its own. Confused is the name of the game for blue pill men for trying to figure out women. What's the next best choice? Submit and HOPE things will be fine. Damn shame.

He is not a FUCKING PERVERT. He has needs. Yours as a woman are met. Why not his too? Women love to simply play GOD and place people in their places without caring too much about what they as men want. That is not a relationship. That is not a marriage. That is not happiness. That, is slavery.

Hopefully this man finds this place and many others and breaks free from his confusion.

http://associationofchronos.com/2015/03/29/confusion-walking-dead-spoilers-inside/

Sesa_Refum 11y ago

I go to /r/DB to see what's popping.

First in see on the front page a damage control post regarding this scandal string that "Its not a a gendered issue blah blah don't be a misogynist many women face the same issue etc."

Lol

and then I find this in a post

So I finally found out why she won't have sex with me!

After months of trying I finally got it out of her! Her reason is that she thinks I want it too often and it is a complete turn off with me trying to have sex everyday. She said she was happy with our couple of times a week (I keep count and we average once every 27 days...!!)

she went on to say she hates when say I'm rubbing her back then try to have sex, so now I've been told that cuddling and massages can't lead to sex. I told her how much the rejection hurts

... So I've pulled back on all attempts to have sex for the past 2 weeks and I've never saw her as happy since I don't know when!

Ugh Not even exaggerating when you say "once a month" holy fucking shit. This is what goes on out there. This is how the other half lives.

SWABteam 11y ago

Deadbedeooms used to be a good place to go commiserate with other men who were not getting sex.

It has been taken over by SJWs and feminists who down vote anything that puts women in a bad light. There is a reason almost all the posts are now HL Females bitching that their boyfriend jacks it to porn.

God forbid you say something like "did you gain weight".

DanG3 11y ago

It's much worse than that! Marriages in failure mode - "Superficially Married T minus X years until the kids are gone" - can go literly YEARS with zero (0) sex!

thedude122487 11y ago

I think /u/ConfuzzledWife is a troll posting on a fake throwaway account; probably one of you guys. There's no way a person like that actually exists.

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Merwebb 11y ago

Sex is, in my opinion too, what defines a relationship apart from a friendship, or slavery. That "sex is not important" agenda, for what i can see, is about taming betas into full providers

ioncloud9 11y ago

I'm going to call Poe's on this one.

levingit 11y ago

Going through he responses I noticed that she is constantly capitalizing the word "Sex" as if it's some grand obstacle and seems to not make the connection that sex is more than just getting off for guys too.

NAmember81 11y ago

She said if you "need" sex you're hedonistic, I bet she's fun to live with. ^/s

BachelorYYC 11y ago

this is a post from the NYbetaTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/magazine/does-a-more-equal-marriage-mean-less-sex.html

watersign 11y ago

dude should just hit up the local strip club and be "appreciated".

[deleted] 11y ago

I used to get mad at things like this. They'd also fill me with despair because this might just happen to anyone.

Then, in my early stages of RP, I found out that her behavior is just a mirror of his beta. She can't get wet for a man she doesn't respect, and she can't respect a man who doesn't respect himself.

Later I agreed that you don't even need to get married at all and can still start a family. Marriage is society's biggest shit test. It's sole purpose is to tie men down by any means possible and let them suffer for the profit of society, and we're supposed to go on our knees and beg for it.

TRP has been liberating in so many ways.

MattyAnon Admin 11y ago

And yet... when men refuse to marry... they are supposedly the ones that need to grow up...

CherryPickTheGirls 11y ago

Fuck the children. She doesn't care about them she just wants to make sure all her shit is paid for. The kids just happened.

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EpicLevelCheater 11y ago

You feminists make me giggle. You come in here trying to talk like an authority when you haven't earned the right. You haven't even bothered to educate yourself on the relevant issues before opening your mouth.

Everything you think you know about feminism is wrong. Now go back to the kid's table - the adults are busy talking.

Merwebb 11y ago

Really? Ive been an orbiter in the past and none of these girls appreciated my kind words and white knight efforts as to have sex with me, as the "feminist" mainstream opinions say they should. So allow me to disagree.

Ninja edit: Not saying there arent real feminist struggling for equality out there, just that everywhere these days appears to be run by the wrong kind, like the SJW or whatever we see around in reddit, for example.