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gigapeanus 9mo ago
I mean we should also know the context. It seems like the girl initially agreed to date the guy. Maybe she initially saw something in him, but then he starts posting all these silly emojis. From my time in New York, 25-28 is the age girls take themselves most seriously. They are aiming for some senior position in their career but they are still fresh out of school. Before that you are slightly loosened and after that you start loosening up as well (or get burned out or find a new passion). The guy's proposal seems kind of silly. There's also the possibility that she had a LMR... I don't think she regretted interacting with him in the first place since her initial response seems quite inviting.
No-Stress-Cat 9mo ago
His first mistake was telling her the plan. If he didn't say shit and just picked her up and took her to get ice cream, it would have been a different situation. This gives him the advantage. He maintains the mystery, if she gets flaky, he can just dump her ass there and make her take an Uber home, and he still gets to enjoy his ice cream.
RedPirate751 9mo ago
Damn hahaha that dude really dodged a bullet there.
1on1 9mo ago
Yeah,what a golddigger.
Seagram7 9mo ago
What gets my goat is she is still on top of the world with her arrogance at 26. Wait till 30 is around the corner and she doesnt have anyone lined up. She will be all smiles with that ice cream date while seething on the inside that this is what she is reduced to. While she’s screwing Mr. Exciting- the guy she knows will never commit- she’s betting the house on the idea that those who are less exciting will be there for her when she’s done sowing the last bits of her wild oats.
The real shock hits when Mr. Dependable starts playing games too, and the only way he knows how- the long con- pedal boats and wineries; boring, limp-dick sex that she has to grit her teeth through just to say she has a boyfriend- and then he treats her like shit all the same.
MelkorHimself 9mo ago
If the guy wants to pull a power move, he should text this woman a photo of him and a younger, prettier woman eating ice cream together.
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
Seagram - your post is like poetry. You have a way with words!
You allude to something I myself discovered. If you're not a chad, you can have your era. Just wait a little until the chicks realise that the tide has turned (roughly aged 28 and up). Then it's harvest time. They slowly realise that no chad is going to bail them out. So all you need to do is pose as a guy that 'is looking for something serious'. You then cycle through all the free samples on offer - and trust me, there will be a huge buffet of samples on offer. More than you could ever eat.
Then, once the guy has sampled the goods, she will be getting a text message from what they thought was beta bux, along these lines:
"Sorry, this isn't working out. I'm a 30 year old man looking for a partner that's suitable for marriage, and I don't think 'we're a good fit'. Continuing would be a 'waste of both our times', since 'we don't have the same vibe'."
Fatal3xist 9mo ago
That type of game is called the "bait and switch" I love it
nicknack 9mo ago
Ice cream is a bit of a low effort date tbh, but she is probably just a hag he wanted to pump and dump. So in turn, she is “smart” for dodging a pump and dump. Well she would be smart, but truth is she probably saw him as a beta bucks long term guy and if he was chad he could hit it with the “come over” text. He saw her as a pump and dump and she saw him as a provider.
Just a dude dodging a bullet here by not inviting to dinner.
mattyanon Admin 9mo ago
It's higher than her effort.
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
Really? you think Ice Cream is too low effort as a first move? I beg to differ. No woman is worth dinner on a first date.
Dinner on a first date is problematic for many reasons;
nicknack 9mo ago
It really depends to me on the girl and how I met her. Online she’s not getting more than a coffee and that’s if I’m generous. Also not picking her up or holding any doors. As far as I’m concerned I’m meeting a landwhale with aids. If it’s a women I met over a family connection, then I do that stuff, more so for my own reputation. If it’s a chick I met in person during the day time that seems normal I’m fine with drinks and an appetizers. If I met her on her night out being a slut she’s only getting drinks.
mattyanon Admin 9mo ago
Agreed, and what makes this worse:
As the man starts to pay, he has invested. Then it becomes a game for her to "get a little more" while he is in the business of "trying to get a return on his investment".
As you say.... it's dinner to start with..... then bigger dinner..... then when he pushes for a kiss he suddenly finds she "isn't that kind of girl, where's my ring?" etc. etc.
Fact is: this has nothing to do with the icecream, she was just stringing him along and now she's looking for a way to blame him when she finally has to declare low interest due to lack of attraction.
Bozza 9mo ago
Tbf that was a bit of a blue pill message. Very wishy washy, no direct call to logistics.
But I agree - this guy dodged a bullet right there. This chick is high maintenance and looking to be wined and dined by beta bux.
nicknack 9mo ago
While alpha still fucks and she buys the ice cream for them to eat at her house.
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
Alpha don't buy no ice cream - Alpha texts 'I'm hot - Get some ice cream, I'm coming over'
Clear and direct orders is what women understand.
nicknack 9mo ago
That exactly, and it’s pretty much how we treat fat bitches
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
The trick is to treat them all like dog shit. Treat the hot ones the same as if they were fat sluts. Treating women well just incentivises bitchy entitled behaviours.
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Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
I don't know why anyone would do anything other than a walk in the park / coffee / ice cream on a first 'date'. I wouldn't even call it a date. Dates are in and of themselves problematic, because a 'date' is by its nature a blue pilled environment. Tell me I'm wrong? The power that women have stems from the way they have gaslit men into believing that we need to buy them dinner (which is going to be £100 and upwards) to prove that we are worth even speaking to. That is pedestaling. Going on a dinner date is willingly entering into female entitlement frame. It is beta and blue pilled. It's a hangover from the 1950s. But we're not in the 1950s now. The era of having a choice of virgins to marry at 21 is long over. Why do we still have the dinner date?
I would only ever pitch a meet up. A casual meeting - going to get coffee is easy, low stress and low risk. If she turns out to be an entitled cunt (which this one clearly is) its not a big loss.
Me personally, I'd go for day time coffee meets only. It's a great filter. This isn't the fucking middle ages. I'm not a knight in shining armour, and she's not a virgin damsel / princess in distress.
I actually think that offering dinner dates REDUCES your chance of sex. It's the clearest signal to the market that you are not chad / alpha. The poor guys that are furiously swiping on women on OLD and then investing their time and money by wining and dining these used up sluts.... I really feel for them. If they understood more about RedPill they'd be way better off.
And if she's an entitled douche bag, I'd be prepared to bail in the first 10 minutes.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 9mo ago
Such a great line of literature. Who said women can't be called douchebags?
Might start calling women in my personal life a Douchebag as a joke, it will throw them off not expecting it
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
Thanks man - I do like mixing it up a bit! Women certainly can be douche bags, and pricks, retards and homos! I'm an equal opportunities insulter.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 9mo ago
Lmao, you're welcome, what is their typical reaction to various male-common pejoratives?
I call women simps a lot and they usually just laugh (they buy me drinks etc so I call them simps)
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
I think it puts them off guard a little. They sort of do the gears grinding thing, because they can't compute. My fav is to do an Uno on them and call them an incel... takes them a while to figure that out! Or telling them to 'man up'.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 9mo ago
Lmao incel..
I'm gonna figure out how to maximize the effect of that one and use it
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
Exactly!! have some fun with it! next time you encounter some LMR, just call her an incel! She'll think - I'm not an incel, I can get laid whenever I want, I'm gonna show him that I'm a SIW by,..... by..... letting him rail me??
Vermillion-Rx Admin 9mo ago
Separate comment
What is your take on dinner dates where the woman does not try to get you to pay at all?
I stopped taking women on dates a year ago because I haven't had to in a year but my experience has been that 90% of women (millennials anyway) do not even try to get you to pay. They whip out their cards faster than I do
I've had a couple entitled cunts try and get me to but what's your take on such dinner dates where they don't try at all to make you pay?
One of the very last dates I ever went on I bought the chick her movie theater ticket (I knew she'd immediately try to cuddle and kino me during so I didn't care, hadn't even kissed her yet I just knew). The after we got dinner, she didn't try to get me to pay at all. Then she came over to mine and I blew past some LMR and we fucked. Became a FWB for two months
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
Woman wants to pay? Awesome! By all means, lets do the role reversal for a change.... sounds like fun! A woman that wants to pay, that really weeds out the time wasters. Personally, I'm not really sold on the idea of dinner dates at all - regardless of who pays. Its too formal. It has to lead to stilted convos. And its difficult to wind up if its going badly. I have always tried to steer away from dinner dates to something more like activities. Anything but dinner dates!
Example of a bad dinner date - it wasn't really a date, but it kind of was: - I was sort of gaming this milf (in a half hearted way, because work connections, had to keep it very very low key). She was very very hot, but older, about 45. And then she opened up her mouth and started talking about all these other guys that 'chasing her' - one of the other guys had a 'fantastic body, like a model' and the other guy 'made over €500k a year'. I was sort of looking at her, thinking, wow, you're just so....unaware. You're so....basic. So entitled. Why are you sitting here having dinner with a guy, telling him all about other guys that are 'chasing you'. I really felt like dipping. But to dip in the middle of dinner is dramatic and therefore a bit feminine and a loss of frame. And you can't really respond in kind (would have loved to tell her about all the women that I was banging that were 20 years younger than her) because that would be stooping to her level, which would be entering her frame.
Moral of the story - if your having a dinner date, you're snookered. She has you where she wants you, your're cornered.. She can start acting like an entitled little bitch, try to insult you, neg you, and you can't really escape. There's no dread. If we had been having coffee, I could have said after 8 minutes, well, that was fun, have a nice rest of the day, I have places to go. And then looked around the room to see if there were any hot girls that I could game.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 9mo ago
To clarify I mean they payed for their own meal, not mine. Most millennial women appear to do this (pay for themselves). They don't pay for my food although I've had some girls go out of their way to get my food for me too. It does happen
Yes I would agree that dinner has pitfalls. I once went on a lunch brewery date with a school teacher and I immediately didn't like her. She also clearly didn't like me for some reason, which was probably why I also disliked her so quickly.
Anyhow, she asks the most boring get to know me questions imaginable and dries herself up by leading me into shit convo but I just had no clue how to talk to this bitch (not for lack of ability, I made out with another chick the night before and fucked another girl the following day)
I causally mention the second part of our plans which was to go to the park and she says she has shit to do. Seeing as she had no desire to finish her date with me I take it as a rejection and ask the waitress to split our check
This bitch gets livid as fuck and pays for my whole meal, I guess as some kind of condescending retaliation, and on the way out of the brewery tells me that I "need to discuss in advance if I am splitting a check"
Like fuck you bitch, all of your same age peers are paying for their own shit as is, you entitled cunt bucket
Fuck you expecting I pay full price for your shit when you only give me half-time worth of the date
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
That is funny as hell. I love the way she 'got angry and paid for the whole meal' That shit is too funny!
She really showed you Vermillion!!!
Vermillion-Rx Admin 9mo ago
She sure showed me!
Lmao I got laid the next day so really it had no impact on me apart from being the worst date of my life
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
I bet she's still single. Cats and wine.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 9mo ago
Considering I just saw her tinder profile pop up again nearly a year later imma go with she's single
Accurate. She had cats and she had wine in her tinder profile
Lmfao none of this suprises me XD
whytehorse2021 9mo ago
What you're supposed to say to these women is "how about we skip the date, I give the money directly to you, and we proceed to having sex?". I said something similar to a 40+ yr old gold digger in Indonesia and she flew off the rails bragging about how she gets thousands a month from foreigners(divorce rape) and I have an unattractively large nose(she can do better).
@Lone_Ranger is spot-on here. The "vibe" this chick is looking for is a guy who will enter her frame and it all begins with a dinner date. I've never taken a woman on a dinner date. 4 different countries and 48 years and never done a dinner date. I've done back seat of the car dates, camping dates, hiking dates, go back to my house dates, have a drink together dates, pay the woman dates, show me around dates, but never a dinner date. Why? Because dates aren't courting.
Lone_Ranger 1 9mo ago
Next time you hear a women complaining about WHATGMG and that there are no guys that want to bring women out on dates any more... just ask her a question;
"You know why good looking men with their act together never bring women out on dates?
Her: No, please tell me
Because they dont' have to."
If she gets it, she gets it. If she doesn't, she doesn't.
(cue Giovanni Georgio music)
whytehorse2021 9mo ago
Yup, dating is for hoes. Courting is for housewives. It's the difference between transactional relationships and genuine desire(on the man's part). You just never see courting with modern women and hence no genuine desire by men. It's all just a transaction for both parties. Attention in exchange for sex.
EmpireCrimson 9mo ago
I get the gist of everyone's comments, and generally agree - but I read his message as he wanted Ice Cream while he was out, not that he wanted Ice Cream to be the date. They already agreed to meet somewhere at a minimum... not sure what else was implied or communicated outside of these 5 messages.
Either way, Vance dodged a bullet. If she didn't think to clarify, and somehow felt entitled to something more, there were far better ways to express herself.