Prelude Why are women so paradoxical? They’re wonderful, delusional beings that both feel impossible to be with and without. They can be too much of a bother to deal with, yet most of us here would die for them. Dating itself is a walking contradiction. I’ll be sweet to her, I’ll be her shoulder to cry on, I will take her on wonderful elaborate dates specialized to everything she told me the first time we met and yet she only wants to be with me when I treat her like Chad or Tyron.
To the girl who works at Starbucks I wrote you this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTL1yA2XJYI
And yet you are this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKizLRFbTo
There is so much confusion with what my hearts want to believe and what reality is. When a man takes the red pill, I’m told they go through the five stages of grief Anger, Denial, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance
Why do most men, myself including never travel to the final stage. On a fundamental level I understand that the red pill provides me clarity and truth on female nature, but then why can’t the pill go down. The sidebar is there in plain English, the top posts are simple and to the point yet there seems to be an inability to accept each stage. It seems that I am stuck in stages 1 – 4 and don’t seem to move on to 5.
And I am not alone in this.
Red pill content amasses billions of views across social media with creator upon creator repeating the schtick in just slightly different words each time. Neil Strauss, Patrice O Neal, Jordan Peterson, Kevin Samuels, Andrew Tate, PsycHacks.
It feels like there is a new star every month repeating this same shit with just slight different variations to make it more palatable to the same audience. You don’t learn addition a hundred times, do you? You learn it once and move on.
Why are we here circle jerking between Stages 1 & 4 never embracing Stage 5.
Feel like I've already said this a Ka billion eighty times. How many times can I say the same thing different ways that rhyme? - Eminem
Why haven’t none of us left that mindset. If you’re here reading this shit it means you never learned your lesson too. You’re stuck. Lol I’m stuck too.
Here are the results from a survey I conducted on Reddit two months ago - https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/10stsfi/tell_me_your_stories_of_heartache/.
They’re all stuck too, with some cases of obsession with Stages 1 – 4 so extreme that I am convinced that Stage 1 – 4 ruminations should be psychiatrically labeled an addition.
So, if I am still stuck in stages 1 – 4. And you’re still stuck in stages 1 – 4 and we’re all stuck in stages 1 – 4 and yet deep down we understand that stage 5 is where the answer lies (you wouldn’t be reading this if you didn’t and asktrp wouldn’t exist if didn’t) then it means there is something wrong with our approach.
You can learn anything – Khan Academy: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC82Il2cjqA]
But you won’t learn shit, if you’re teacher is a retard – Fake Alpha: [https://youtu.be/O9ORtAzUJC4?t=9]
If the approach is wrong, you’re just heading nowhere. So why are we stuck at Stages 1 – 4?
MY SOLUTION You don’t want to accept stage 5, because deep down there is no real incentive for you to do so.
There is a psychological concept known as cognitive dissonance. https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-cognitive-dissonance-2795012
When what you think a situation should be and what a situation actually is like conflicts with each other it causes mental anguish.
Take the following scenario. You have been raised by blue pill conditioning and believe in a world where women love you for who you deep down are as a person. That women are purely honest with their emotions so when she says things like she’s never felt this way with someone the way she does with you and that she loves and will accept your vulnerability to her – she means it.
Steven Universe – Love Like You [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F8HvKqnp5s] Wouldn’t that be nice. I love you.
When men take the red pill, and apply it to real life, very quickly you get very exposed to various emotions/stages when you find out what women are really like.
Take the following video. Which stage do you think the guy is in? - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ctND6E7J8]
Two lenses. Stages 1 – 4 would be bitter because she lied.
But Stage 5 would say look at this man, he looks happy as fuck. He is getting his needs satisfied. He saw all the signs and accepted her for her true nature. Stage 5 seems to be the ideal place to be, in stage 5, you don’t get tricked. And if she actually has no idea what she’s doing you have the mental capacity to train her. So why am I still stuck at 4?
IT IS ALL ABOUT INCENTIVES. You as a man have a vested psychological interest in believing that women are pure innocent creatures. Because it makes you feel even more like a man when you come to her aid,
Mario - Let Me Love You - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64QG4UsrGI
You cannot deny how powerful this white knight incentive is. It is built into your blood.
Men have fought wars for just for a random girl to look at you like this. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U6QzHbNZfvw
Men love to believe that women are this helpless lost damsel in distress, an innocent pure soul that needs rescuing, a saint, that is lost and you are just there to help her out. It is primal bro, you just can’t help it.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pussywhipped
Look at the story of the Christian mother of Jesus, the virgin Mary, men are so convinced that women are pure and innocent that they’d build the whole of civilization on the concept of Immaculate conception than accept that she got creampied by a stranger then Joseph had to raise Chad or Tyron’s son before he got some common sense and ghosted her.
GTA IV’s DLC – The Beautiful and the Damned is to me the best depiction of this pathetic obsession we men have with rescuing “pure and innocent” women, even at our own destruction. This short clip I’ve time stamped brings out the essence of the point I’m trying to make.
https://youtu.be/YQVVMmiKTQE?t=186
You’re funny, Johnny. You care about everyone else when they’re fine. And you end up tying yourself in a knot. - Ashley Butler
This is why you can’t move on to acceptance to stage 5
You’ve got to find a way to incentivize accepting female nature.
We live in a cut throat world. What ever there is an incentive to do will be done. If there is money to be made in onlyfans – only fans thrives, if there is money to be off of covid – covid thrives (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trial-sans-error-how-pharma-funded-research-cherry-picks-positive-results/) ; if there is significant enough of incentives for you to move to stage 5 you will.
But how in the fuck are you going to incentivize yourself to uncondition your self from decades of blue pill conditioning. From looking at a woman like this and letting go of the savior complex - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8vrfM0hRCg.
The typical approach of just spin more plates is difficult because it faces the chicken and egg problem. How can you convince a man to get plates, when he doesn’t have the skills to get the plates because he won’t accept the red pill.
My solution Natural Selection Accept that women really are nature’s gift to man, that they are perfect pure innocent angels and you will take the red pill. WTF am I taking about??? Plain and simple. "Yield and overcome, empty and become full, bend and become straight." Sun Tzu Jui jitsu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB5Wz0U61Zo Accept this proposition. That women are nature’s gift to men. And you will swallow the red pill. As a man you live in a dangerous world. If you travel to the wrong street in America you will get shot, while your shooter celebrates https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 Born in the wrong part of the world you will get sterilized, while your torturers celebrate https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c Too poor you will be taken advantage off while the world celebrates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0EsOFDA6uM Not rich enough, your largest employer will take advantage https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/workers-cite-awful-conditions-inside-amazons-monstrous-staten-island-fulfillment-center/
How can you a stupid primate know how to differentiate all this fucking signals. How can you tell the difference between honest and deceit, deal with irrational characters, recognize the signs of dangers and find away to deal with multiple setbacks while going for your goals.
I wonder, if nature put in an artificial tool that helped you as a man learn all the skills you need to competently succeed in the world.
The “everything she does is cute” game tactic is defined more precisely as an inner game refinement. When you start thinking of women as adorable brats who know not what they do, you start treating them in ways consistent with your beliefs. With enough reprogramming in the right direction (i.e. kicking the supports out from under her pedestal), soon the words coming out of your mouth will be effortless verbal expressions of what you actually feel. And therein lies the secret to being a natural — naturals truly believe the charmingly jerkoff things they say to women.” – Chateau Heartiste
When you accept that logic. That women are a test for you to pass in order to learn all the skills you need to be a fucking man. Then acceptance becomes easier. There is no need for cognitive dissonance, to struggle with. You can know reconcile your need to treat them as innocent lost creatures with the profound Stage 5 truth of their true nature.
A woman’s delusion is no longer the obstacle but the way.
“What would have become of Hercules, do you think, if there had been no lion, hydra, stag or boar – and no savage criminals to rid the world of? What would he have done in the absence of such challenges? Obviously he would have just rolled over in bed and gone back to sleep. So by snoring his life away in luxury and comfort he never would have developed into the mighty Hercules.” Epictetus
A goofy bitch becomes the path to your enlightenment. Even better the goofy bitch become nature’s way for improving the male sex.
Nature is a cruel mother fucker
Humans need to get better to adapt to the world around them. Men can and will survive in the bare minimum of existence if you let them. Think of the analogy of the guy disappearing off to the woods, or the gamer guy who as long as the bills are paid and he can game will never leave the house. So, the way nature accounts for this is to add the “Female factor.”
A woman is the opposite to the man, in that they need the bare maximum of existence to survive. Child rearing requires massive resources, both material and in terms of familial support. So, a woman cannot afford to accept anything less than she needs.
Combine those two figures and nature has found a way to generate the best men. The men who can continue to provide the bare maximum in an increasing harsh environment are defacto the best men.
Infact it is not just nature that benefits from this, society as a whole benefit from this.
Picture this, an overbearing government notices that it has way to many undesirable in its population. How would it get rid of them? Eugenic isn’t going to cut it in this social media driven day and age as you don’t want a Paris like dumpster fire by the peasant, a more subtle tool will need to be deployed. Something very simple yet super naturally effective.
Gas women up. The more delusional, the choosier, the less suitors chosen, the more men to die alone.
There are no accidents. In an increasingly Globohomo world, knowing how to copy files to a flash drive isn’t going to cut it. But then what will society do to get to rid of all these excess undesirables.
So jump to Stage 5 because life is a literal test Final Notes
- For every 1 left over woman, there are probably 20 that will die alone. This is nature’s way of choosing that only the men worth surviving survive. And contrary to what WATGM might believe, all these women are going to have a happy ending. Because all it will take is them to decide one day to change their mind and a thousand cocks will still await them. https://pagesix.com/2023/04/01/blac-chyna-reveals-celibacy-plans-after-physical-transformation/ Whereas men do not have that option. You will die fucking alone and we will celebrate it.
- MGTOW is dumb. MGTOW is admitting that you were unable to understand female nature and adapt to it. If you do have kids, raising them in a single parent household will fuck them up. If you choose not to have kids what happens to all that estate you’ve generated, with no heirs you’re just making a donation to the state, so it can continue to subsidize women. So, you’ve both failed in adapting and your goals meant nothing. Take the red pill because nature wants you to. She is perfect, because she is fulfilling her role nature gave to her. As a man you must fight for your right to exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlYDWFhtlL8 Ultimately all of success is repetition. Don’t think about just keep doing that discipline every day.
HearingOk1488 1y ago
We simply have hobbies together like playing duck life together. Make the relationship stronger.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Social media is fake, and I'm OK with that. I do not consume it, I use it to elevate my brand. This is status game. Whether your brand is you or some product/service, this is a free way to promote it.
Feminist propaganda is not true, and I'm OK with that. I do not listen to it, I use it to have a laugh over on WhereAreAllTheGoodMen. I learn all their talking points so I can immediately identify feminists and avoid them. I let other women know they are being lied to and let them figure it out from there.
Governments actually want more people, not less, and I'm OK with that. I do not make it my problem, I make it my advantage. The truth is populations are crashing all over the world. Everywhere that industrialization has happened, the birth rate has fallen below the replacement rate so we keep having smaller and smaller generations. My generation(GenX) is the smallest generation by population(65million). This shortage of people will only make me more valuable.
Men are altruistic so the species can survive, and I'm OK with that. I do not let women and children take advantage of my altruism, I use it to help myself and those who add value to my life. I come to AskTRP not for commiseration, but to help and be helped by other men that AREN'T inured with blue pill doctrine. Apes strong together. Apes weak alone.
Men are going their own way in many different ways, and I'm OK with that. We have been doing it for millennia. I think of it as a version of The Hero's Journey. Aaron Clarey has his version with child-free, spouse-free vasectomy bachelor minimalism. Joker has his version with a cabin in the woods men's retreat. I have my own version of going to the other side of the planet and getting a trad-con wife and having kids. We just refuse to accept a shitty deal so we opt out of the market in one way or another. As for estates, Clarey said he's going to donate his to a vasectomy fund for men.
This is all my own form of stoicism. It's the most powerful thing a man can learn to wield. You can see the world for what it really is and find virtue there. Rollo calls it crossin the abyss. It's what differentiates the nihilist black pill doomers from other people who make it to the acceptance stage. You can even go back to the denial stage and there you'll find the purple pill, god pill, etc.
Keep in mind what the real experiment is here. Birth control, abortion, women voting, and women working. All starting in the 1960s. For 6 decades this has been progressing. "Don't need no man" has been drilled into every Western man's head from the day he was born. "Feels before reals" is the de facto modus operandi. Communism and safety culture has been progressively voted into law by the majority(women). This is where acceptance comes about. You see the world for what it really is and it all makes sense.
Once you adopt your own form of stoicism, acceptance is a natural conclusion.
realitychek12 1y ago
Thank you for your words. I am surprised though, does the drilling down of these idea go back to the 1960s, I'd thought that these would be a bit more recent. So are these problems that are just been continuing even in that age?
whytehorse2021 1y ago
It actually dates back to industrialization. Right around 1900. When we found that we could use gasoline as a cheap, portable source of energy. Life got real easy for many people. We created a form of utopia and so our population expanded until it became overcrowded. I'd say it was probably in the 1940s and 1950s when people had moved into cities to work in factories that the crowding got real bad. Several wars kept the population at bay until the 1960s and then we started to develop social problems that serve to reduce the population.
This is true across all cultures, languages, races, etc. Every country that has industrialized eventually has a population collapse. Japan is the furthest along with China not far behind. The US has been propped up by immigration but not even that can keep up anymore.
As for stoicism, that dates back to the Greeks. So does Humanism which is basically evolutionary psychology. After the Greeks were wiped out, their works were re-discovered at a later time which led to the Renaissance. It was later revived to bring about The Enlightenment. Now it's been revived as The Red Pill. What it will bring about remains to be seen but I believe it will be a revival of Patriarchy and an end to the dysfunctional alpha fucks/beta bucks paradigm.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
More propaganda shit. Seems the forums have been infiltrated by a bunch of fucking fem-bots.
realitychek12 1y ago
Reading long form is a skill that anyone would benefit from. If you cannot read, just say I don't want to, and read something shorter. Don't blank label anything without haven't actual read through it
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Yeah, I read the whole thing, and you're full of shit. I can read just fine, fuck you very much, and I don't blank label anything. I call bullshit when I see it, simple as that.
Speak for yourself, but we are not all circle-jerking between stages 1 and 4. MGTOW is not dumb. MGTOW is not admitting that you were unable to understand female nature and adapt to it. The Red Pill is the wake up call and the philosophy behind it is the realization of female nature and how to respond to that nature. It is the unfucking of our discombobulation when we followed The Blue Pill rules and wondered why we ended up on the shit end of the stick. The Red Pill tells you what the problem is, MGTOW is what you do with The Red Pill knowledge. It's that simple.
Not all men are fucking going to die alone. There are many ways Men Go Their Own Way. Some men are naturally Red Pilled. Some men become Red Pilled and still go on to have wives and children. Some men are already married and wake up and The Red Pill makes their marriages better, and others say fuck marriage, I'm out. Some men say fuck the wives and go on to have children anyway. Some men say fuck women in general and go monk mode. There is no one-size fits all here.
Women are not the opposite to men, they are the compliment. They are not nature's gift to men, they just are, like cows are to bulls and geese are to ganders. They not some mystical creature that floated down from the clouds with shiny vaginas that glow like the sunshine. Women are not perfect and most women are going against the very role nature gave to them.
That's why The Red Pill exists in the first place. Men do not have to fight for their right to exist. We already do exist. We can choose to walk away. We can choose to become more valuable to women. We can choose to contribute to society in our own ways. Some men have to work much harder than others, while others have it naturally easier, but it's a choice we have none the less.
Yes, we see many iterations of stages 1 - 4. Men are waking up every day, wondering what the fuck, and eventually finding their way here. At the rate things are going, we're going to be seeing a whole lot more in the future. That being said, there already are a lot of men on here who have gone on to stage 5, and need an answer here and there along the way. It doesn't just end at stage 5. That's where the real journey begins. All the shit you packed into this one post is just a bunch of dribble with some Red Pill buzzwords sprinkled in.
I could go through and unpack everything you posted up there, but you should get the point, and I'm done wasting my time with this one.
realitychek12 1y ago
Okay drone