I don’t agree with Rollo’s peak SMV estimation for men. I’m not trying to be a girl’s beta bucks or even alpha bucks, I wanna be alpha fucks.
25 is the prime for men based on physical SMV right? Now I’m turning 26 :/
What age do hot 18 year old women find to be too old?
And to be clear, I’m asking about the peak in terms of facial attractiveness. I’m not talking about physique.
nicknack 1y ago
I turn 30 on Wednesday. I’ve never gotten my dick sucked and fucked more than I did this 29th year, and by girls in their very early twenties. I’m far from a beta provider, unless proving a cheap margarita and a fuck counts.
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Diabs 1y ago
Wtf bro you're not a woman. You're coming into you're prime trust me women started to look at me different after the age of 30. Why, because they're looking at a man now. All young girls fantasise about older men.
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Acela_nextel 1y ago
Are you mad about getting older or what? From what I’ve seen/ read 18- 25 is a pretty bad time for the average young man.
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imtranscending 1y ago
Not all men are going to peak the same. A male who's never lifted before in his life and starts at 28 will see good results within a year, and phenomenal results in 2-3 years compared to his starting point. His SMV just shot up. It will get better at 26,28, and 30 for you if you put in the work and not give up on self improvement.
Not sure where you got the notion that men peak at 25, I always heard it was 35 and that's subjective. If you're not at your natty potential, hit the gym consistent.. look into muscle nuclei overload by team3dalpha (free youtube videos and is what I'm doing now and is responsible for my nice shoulder gains). Hit the gym, clean up your diet and see your SMV climb past the age of 25 and into your early 30s.
EDIT: Just saw you're talking about facial attractiveness, I'll shoot you a dm.
nicknack 1y ago
It absolutely does. You’re not a woman, 25 is not your peak. Maybe it’s not 40 but it’s sure closer to 40 than it is to 25. You’re not fucking dimes because you’re a 25 year old kid who hasn’t had the time to build his empire, body, or storybook.
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dongking 1y ago
Why would 25 be your physical peak?
Unless you've used roids for years, your body will be more of a boys than a man.
Your facial structure isn't fully developed either, such as jaw and also beard etc.
Men doesn't age like women. It only starts getting worse after 45 ish. But even then, if you train hard and run TRT you can look like a fucking beast.
Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
I think you must be on the wrong forum. You need to head over to 'I am a woman and worried about hitting the wall, because I've turned 25 and I have noticed that men are less interested in me'.
Seriously ...wtf? You have a lot to learn. Facial attractiveness? Wt actual f.
25 is the prime for men? good lord.
So much to learn.
imtranscending 1y ago
Let's not pretend or give the impression that facial attractiveness isn't important. It's very important.
Lone_Ranger 1 1y ago
We are not women. Facial attractiveness is really not important.
If you doubt me, just google Lyle Lovett. And Tom Petty. And Woody Allen.
All of those guys have smashed more hotties that everyone on this forum put together. Worrying about how you look is not only beta, its a pointless waste of time. The way to get more women is to be a man, not to become more like a woman.
imtranscending 1y ago
We're not women, and you're making a false dichotomy. It can be more or less important depending on the level of other SMV traits.
Let's run with examples for a moment you listed 3 men, all top .1% in their field and somehow concluding that facial attractiveness (a classification of the looks category in SMV) isn't important because they themselves aren't exemplary examples of it.
Now for every 3 examples you list, there are 1,000 non-celerity examples of men who are top 1% in terms of facial features and NOT in status that slay. That's because facial attractiveness is part of SMV and fundamental attractiveness.
Firstly, facial features falls under the category of physical attractiveness. Within facial features, there's a subset of traits that are masculine and feminine, "she has a really feminine face" or the inverse "he has a real strong jaw." So your premise about that is incorrect, you're conflating general physical attractiveness of the face with being womanly. Let's just ignore that and examine your argument through and through.
Muscle mass also falls under the same category as facial features, physical attraction. So I'm going to substitute that for my argument.
If muscles aren't an attractive physical feature, then no one should be pointlessly wasting time on them because they may become "more more like a woman."
That's absurd.
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1y ago
I'm 43. I catch women ranging from teenagers through senior citizens checking me out, and I have a beer gut (as I frequently say, I'd rather drink a 6-pack than have a 6-pack).
I did not catch nearly so many checking me out in my early twenties when I was actually single and on the prowl (I got married at 25).
Relax, and quit kvetching. Women can smell insecurity a mile away, and it absolutely repulses them.
Einsamer 1y ago
There is no general SMV peak, especially not for men.
You can peak as early as 16 if you are in shape with 16 but then get fat afterwards, don't get a good job, don't up your game etc. Then, been 16 will have been your best age throughout your entire life.
On the other hand, your peak SMV can very well be in your late 40s, but only IF you keep in shape and earn more than before and also increase in your skills and experience with women. If you just procrastinate, your SMV will go down.
Now the good news is: 25 years might be your physical SMV peak, but only if you have already maxed out your body. Have you done that? If not then you can keep delaying the decay of your physical SMV until maybe your mid to late 30s by keeping in shape as much as possible.
Unless you are super experienced and good with game already, your game will probably peak much later. Depending on your social status and resources, those will also peak later.
In other words: your SMV will most likely keep rising if you take care of yourself and do a good job. It's not happening by itself, you have to work for it.
As for me, my SMV with 20 was waaay lower compared to 25 and with 25 it was still way lower than with 30.
kurkumaonce 1y ago
Listen to AronClarney YT 'the percent of women that are marriage material' [I think its part of the book] and draw your conclusions, should you worry at all or rather start meditating and think about alternatives.
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whytehorse2021 1y ago
Evolutionarily speaking, yes, a man's frontal lobe is finished developing by age 25 and he should be in his best physical condition of his life. This will continue until age 35 and then your testosterone will start dropping 1.2%/yr. If you look at the history of the age of first marriage, it used to be 25 for men back in the 1950s. Due to women all wanting to be hoes and have uber-rich men this has been pushed back into the 30s for men and late twenties for women. Society at large may have adopted this notion but you don't have to. I sure as shit don't and have a strong resentment for the women who made all those men wait an extra 10 years to have a wife and family.