Blue pillers are the polar opposite of red pillers. These people you are arguing are the typical rad fem tumblr bloggers. For them winning an argument isn't about finding the truth its avout having the last word.

Typical PPD discussion.

Rp: women are different to men

Bp: spouting off your biotroofs

Rp: not relevant to discussion

Bp: there's no scientific evidence

Rp: gives science article

Bp: this is pseudo pop science, it isn't real science.

Rp: fine so you're saying men and women are the same?

Bp: I didn't say anything, you made a claim the burden of proof is on you

Rp: fine, what is your claim then?

Bp: um, the blue pill doesn't have a theory, we are a satire subreddit just made to laugh at you.

Typical hamstering, they've created a position to attack red pill theory without ever having to defend their own beliefs because they're just a satire sub.

This is not a debate.

Atheist can not debate with religious people, their world view is completely different.

However unlike a discussion about something intangible vs inexistent, reality is exclusively red.

You can only share your reasoning in a humble and simplistic way. And ask the blue piller to be open minded and take his legitimate skepticism and apply it to blue pill theory with equal measure. And observe the real life events that occur in the real world. Prioritising what works over what people generally accept as true.

You can not force the pill down his throat, he literally can not see the matrix if he never stepped out of it. Teach him to notice "glitches" and let his natural scepticism power him trough the rest of his enlightenment.

Would the average online atheist be able to have a open minded discussion about god?

Why expend the energy on getting angry and committing a wall of text?

Who cares what other people say or think. If they approaching the edge of the cliff, remain silent and watch them drop.

Better to focus on improving self, and forget others.

If you really want to do damage, and you really have time to waste on that type of shit, just masquerade as a blue piller/feminist, and start gradually supporting redpill, under the guise of actually being a feminist. You could say something like "redpill is mostly shit, but as a bluepiller I agree that this, this, and this are pretty accurate", etc.

You could also do this on xojane, jizzabel, etc., as well as reddit itself.

inb4 this post gets deleted.

You could also do the reverse--instead of posing as a feminist and mildly supporting redpill/MRA stuff, you could pose as a feminist and discredit feminism by being making unreasonable statements in favor of censorship, racism, etc., in order to benefit women (example: [insert minority] more prone to violent crime, so do stop and frisk to protect women, something like that. Or "bondage is demeaning to women so it should not be practiced and bondage sex toys should be made illegal". Make up your own.)

Why is anyone even spending time and trying to discuss with them?

I remember hearing someone saying that the harder you're preaching something, the more likely you're trying to convince yourself, not the other person.

Don't take blue pillers seriously. They are deliberately trolls. It has been proven time and again. There is no reasoning with a troll because trolls do not abide by logic. No matter what you say or do, they will not go away or concede to any points you make. This is yet another battle that can only be won by not playing. Ignore the trolls.

Do not feed the hamsters.

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Ain't no reason to go looking for a fight but you better recognize one when you're in it. Those dipshits all argue the same way: derail the topic to confuse the issue and make an indirect assault by attacking their opponent's character. Either disengage or adopt the same tactics and employ them preemptively for the win. Understand that you aren't debating an issue. You are in a race to see who can shake the other's frame first. Avoid petty insults and curses and go for the throat: SMV. Whether they are male or female call into question their attractiveness and success with the opposite sex. Adopt different tacts until you get them on their heels and they start defending themselves and then dig until you uncover a painful truth.

It's neither fun nor productive, but if you insist on fighting these people that's how you destroy them.

When I first came to TRP, I found PPD. I wandered across to see if I could find a way to synergize the two philosophies. The only thing that sub proved is that they are completely incompatible and that TBP is a venom in the veins of society.

At the very least, at least the sub helped me confirm the evidence I had and allow me to start fully internalising TRP.

Basic debate 101. If you react to a statement with immediate disgust and disapproval, the people around will subconsciously question the statement made prior; regardless of the factual content of it.

"It's so obvious to them that that statement is horrible, so it must be, or something is wrong with me." This is the subconscious, or even conscious thought that we have when someone uses this debate tactic.

Making your opponent look silly and horrible is one of the most powerful tactics one can employ, it's only weakness is that once you see through it, they have nothing. This is why idiotic beliefs are propagated among idiots, this type of debate strategy is super effective against them.

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My gut reaction to this thread: Why the hell are you reading Purple Pill Debate?

Fuck argumentative bluepillers; they're either women, who will disagree on principle, or they're deluded men, who will never compete with you for pussy. They're the chumps on the sidelines, poo-pooing the game while secretly wishing they had the balls to play.

Unsub from that shit, you'll thank me later.

It's why I call it "The Indigo Pill". It's a mix of both sides, but definitely leaning towards one.

I remember reading somewhere that some of the mods of that sub are also mods at r/thebluepill and SRS. PPD is a way to bait RPers out of here so they can be ridiculed. It's like playing football when the refs have money riding on the other team. Steer clear.

For somebody who claims to be an alpha, you sure are a whiny, bitchy little cunt.

This whole thread sounds to me like a giant White Knight Shit Test... Now I'm not in PPD and have only heard of it just now, but it seems to me even dealing with these Men (or women or trolls or what ever else) we must keep frame to credit our thought process.

Stay the adult and deal with them like a parent arguing with a child if Thomas the tank engine can fly...

1/2 RP posters, stating their opinions are backing them up with experiences and examples to support their claims

That is a problem. You need STATISTICS to show these are correct. If you are not using academic level sources and instead relying on 'personal experience', eg anecdotal evidence, it doesn't matter. Snarky comments are just as valid.

If you don't get that, you don't get RP.

The purple pill "debate" is magical place where eunuchs write odes to their own chains, and revel in the feeling of moral superiority being a future-cuckold gives them. Because it's not safe out there, in the world, without social Marxism telling you how your life is to be run, at gunpoint.

It's one giant shit test

Anyone self-identifying as a blue pill is doing it to rile you up.

Half the issue with TRP is that when someone pushes it hard enough you stop acting like an adult and start acting like they're someone who should, or even can be argued with.

Don't argue with "comedians." You won't win. Shit, spend five minutes watching John Stewart or Colbert.

Yeah, they are non-responses.

/r/TheRedPill/comments/264pva/dont_believe_a_word/chnv1jq

I had this argument yesterday. Person says it's okay to lie in a relationship, then appeals to feelings, then appeals to majority, then tries to defame my character, before finally backpedaling and saying they never said any of the stuff I am directly quoting.

Then, tries to say I am using a logical fallacy anytime I expose hypocrisy or non-congruent arguments.

Hamsters gonna hamst.

Don't walk into a warzone unless you're looking to fight.

Purple pill? Isn't that for irritable bowel syndrome?

Context. RP or not, not every strategy is suitable for every situation. I doubt you'd have an easy time having a harem if your goal is an LTR.

"Debating" in PPD got my main account shadowbanned. Apparently voicing your opinions in a debate channel is shadowban worthy.

I didn't read your full post. But try not to look at that stuff. Avoid those subteddits and articles about stuff that generally makes you angry.

Honestly, the main reason I came to TRP was because of the ridiculous fucking double standard the world has set for women.

Since being here I've seen the same pro-feminist stance being argued by Blue Pillers 100 different ways and they're all pathetic.

You're dealing with mostly teenagers. Their experience and peer groups prove time and time again snarky ad hominem attacks trump a structured argument.

Push for something of substance and they'll claim not to care, especially if you're in the minority. I should know I used to do it all the time and felt really satisfied with myself.

We all came here because we knew something was off our entire lives, we just hadn't put it into words.

This is exactly how I've felt my entire life.

All through my teenage and college years I thought I was the only sane person in an insane world.

Why does everyone idolize sex? Why is college such a fuck-fest for everyone but me? Why does it disgust me to see girls slutting it up, swearing like sailors, etc. and going on like it should be attractive to me and if it's not, perhaps I'm just gay and I should get over it. Why did she pick him, we all know he's a loser and isn't going anywhere with his life. Why do girls like going out with me but always friend zone me. Why is the world this way when I've been taught different?

"Women are attracted to confidence. Just be yourself and be confident. She should love you for you."

I always knew there was a missing piece to the whole puzzle. I've always said that I'm a optimist disguised as a cynic and always saw the bright side of things.. And now I've never been more secure, more happy, more confident in the way that the world works. And that's just fine.

Kings need not seek counsel from court jesters.

Adults do not ask infants for lessons in crawling and shitting oneself.

Take a look at this completely serious thread.

It is 100% not an intentional troll. Totally serious PPD discussion supported wholeheartedly by the BP population there... the title speaks for itself.

I AM A HETEROSEXUAL WOMAN AMA.

100% pure unadulterated attention whoring. In 300 fucking roundabout comments she added not one ounce of content to any line of RP conversation. All that's been done here is attention whoring based on the fact she has a vagina and that gives her an imaginary advantage or insight in discussing the issue. When people realize she doesn't and ask her roundabout ways to confirm points on redpill, she completely sidesteps everything or denies that anything is redpill if it agrees with RP. Even when she thinks she makes a point, its pure hamstering bullshit, with absolutely no clue about the idea she's attacking, stating generalities and generally being captain obvious and literally treating this as her blog.

Is this really that important to you?

To be completely fair, one could say the same thing about this sub.

For every worthwhile post here, there are two typical "I just graduated high school and went to my first frat party" bullshit.

Good for you. You neg'd her and fucked her.

I don't know exactly what phase of life I'm in, except I know that I'm done with partying. At the ripe old age of 28 I've had enough. After you play the game so many times it just gets old.

I've had my priorities set for long enough that fucking some bimbo at the bar doesn't interest me. I suggest you get your shit together also and realize theres more to life than fucking broads.

TL;DR Fuck Bitches, Get Money.

Look at the premise for TheBluePill's existence. They are mocking the entirety of this subreddit. How can you expect to reason with people who are definitively opposed to your philosophies?

That's like Jewish people trying to reason with Muslim people, when god forbid, it's part of the Muslim faith to see the destruction of those people.

Blue pillers are like creationists. Both deny evolution, but from different angles. To them feminism is like a religion and they are the religious fanatics. Scientific facts do not fit their world view, so they dismiss them. You can't argue with someone like that.

RP can pummel their logic to the ground and they will not change their mind. It's too difficult because they have way too much invested in their completely wrong world view.

Agreed.

The blue pillers are stuck in the feminized mindset that they were raised in. It's no fault of their own that they resort to their style of "debate". They've internalized the notion that men need to man up or shut up therefore anything contrary to that, they dismiss with a "lol wtf" :

http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/18/the-honor-system/

A man can only unplug himself from the matrix. These people just haven't seen the light. We should pity them.

PPD, BP, SRS - it's all hate communities. They are similar to the KKK. They are opposed to men speaking the truth about women and opposed to men living life for themselves rather than for women and children. They hate when men seek individual autonomy. They hate men.

I too gave PPD a chance. No, I don't think the mods are fair. I don't think PPD is worth anyone's time. There's no real "debate" going on there. The anti-TRPs don't care to understand the arguments TRP is making.

I think all pro-RP posters should start ignoring PPD debate yesterday. What does it serve? You can discuss RP ideas on RP. If you're wrong, RP posters will tell you. Problem with PPD is that you're setting yourself up for abuse and nothing else.

If people are curious about RP ideas, read TRP. No need to "debate". You can debate all you want on TRP anyway. Why have a separate sub?

I think the real purpose is to rob us of our time and energy, make us exhausted. They're not seriously arguing. Look how "selectively" intelligent they can be when the situation calls for it, then we get all invested making a long, well reasoned argument, and then they derp out and ignore every point made. It's basically an intentional waste of your time and mental energy.

The Purple Pill is a waste of time. Mostly because of what blue pillers are. They are there to exercise social justice into existence. That's why they are majority at PPD, when the TRP membership is almost 4x greater to TBPs. Redpillers, almost by definition and in seeming deed, simply should not give a shit.

Anyway, even if you "win" an argument, what do you win? The best you can hope for is greater insight into something and that is a seldom occurence there.

The reality that happens is that you say a cat has 4 legs, fur and a tail, a good generalization, they will cut that down with exceptions of an amputee, a sphinx, and a manx (breeds). It's inane trivia to know but does it convey deeper understanding or kill the generalization? No.

The problem is people don't understand the disagreement pyramid and think that the low levels are equal to the top levels:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Graham's_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg

And that's what most of TBP/PPD and indeed the internet is comprised of. People do not understand debate in the classic sense. And no, it's not what occurs during elections, especially presidential "debates". That is diluted pandering designed to elicit positive feels from the masses.

Internet arguments are like merry-go-rounds. You go round and round, and at the end, you are at the same spot you started from and all the progress you made was waste hours of your life convincing a worthless, anonymous stranger you'll never meet you're a stubborn asshole.

Dude, don't worry about blue-pillers; their misguided received ideology is it's own punishment. They're operating under the wrong assumptions, and they WILL suffer for it. I know from experience. I observed redpill truths, but clung to my bluepill morality for years, and life punished me for it.